I find that the BMW's Gear Assist Pro on my 2017 GS does perfect downshifts, including into first, but when going up through the gears it is not that smooth unless I am 'giving it the beans'. I have learnt that when nonchalantly going up through the gears it is best to just throttle back a hint on each up shift. The combination of the Assist Pro cutting the ignition and me cutting the fuel makes for perfect gear changes. Hey Ho.
I tried it on the S1000XR and really like it. I've had a couple of quick-shifters on a K1300S and S1000RR, but never tried the down-shift system until now. And you're right, it's great. I don't feel you have to make particularly firm upshifts, but the engine does need to be accelerating and not cruising or rolling off to get the smoothest shifts.
I have to say, on my 2016, now with a grand total of 2500kms, -my replacement R1200GS- is still running in. The Quick Shift was never used by the 1st owner I can feel. Many bikers order it, but are frightened to use it. First few times can put you off!… False all sorts. Touch the clutch in QS, or make the wrong throttle action and things go rather wrong. I learned but it did confuse me (and the computer!) and I’m not sure the gearbox loved me either! Once you’ve got the idea, it’s great to work with. I never QS into 1st or out of it. I use QS for 2 - 6, and VV. Anyway, round 2 , I’m running that bit in now too , very gently. It’s actually smoother than my late 2017. Yes, the blipping throttle action on going down gear, does raise a smile. It’s a very quick double de clutch! LoL. What an old fashioned term. I think we modernise that by ‘blipping the throttle’, same as you would do on a fully manual bike! Love it, QS, as do I love Cruise, Rain Mode, Amazing GPS to balance out the unreadable clocks (accept the tachomoter!) but I like the dash. Hill Start Assist is also really great! & all those modes. The Ultimate Motorcycle has been made. How can it be improved on now?
Got this on the RT - the missus loves the up changes as a passenger. She says the acceleration is almost seamless (maybe I'm just crap at manual changes lol)
Fine going down the box if riding spiritedly. I tend not to use it at low speed (old habits die hard). After more than 40 years on bikes every facet of my being still screams 'NO' at me when I go to downshift without using the clutch, but I'm getting over it. I do agree that you mustn't try to change half-heartedly with the gear shift assist pro - BMW have designed this with the 'sh*t or get off the pot' principle i.e. if your going to change gear, then DO IT; don't just tickle the lever.
That sounds awesome! Thanks for the close up showing the operation, also interesting to know it's a dealer only fitting option. Did you know the video is only running at 360, your videos are usually high def? Hold that thought, all the playback resolutions are now available! Thanks for uploading, Steve
Great info TMF. Thanks! I've just plonked down a deposit on a 2016 R1200 GS. The only option I didn't get was Keyless Start (which I thought was a bit of a gimmick). I was debating the Shift Assist Pro worried that it might put undue stress on the clutch/transmission. The sales manager at my Motorrad said not worry (famous last words). He also said that I shouldn't use it when tootling around town, only during hard acceleration or deceleration. Your thoughts?? I ended up ticking the box and getting it anyway. After watching your video I think that was the right decision. Again, thanks for your videos, you have been more informative than the staff at BMW!! Keep 'em coming!!
Thanks Mike, the gear shift assist pro is great fun, I particularly like downshifting with it. Like all quick shifters it works best when the bike is under load (ie up shifting with the throttle pinned open) and because of that I imagine you won't use it in normal riding in the low gears....of the three bikes I have with quick shifters the BMW is the clunkiest in this respect. Well worth having though, unlike the keyless ignition (I agree a bit of a gimmick). Have fun and enjoy the new bike :0) TMG
You make that WC boxer with the extras sound SOOO good! I bought a gently used 2009 GS last Oct as my second bike. I've only ridden 20,000 Km since then with nothing but smiles. Ha, even in the monsoon down pours this week here in Arizona were better than the ones I tackled on my CBR250. If anything happened to GooSe I'd hop on a new GS as soon as I could. But that new GSA with the extra fuel would be icing on the cake :)
RCFlyBoy314 Hey RCFlyBoy314 nice to hear from you again, hope all is well over there? - I'd love to ride in Arizona, one of my favourite states (not that I've been to them all) - I did a flying tour there once and landed at Sedona, would be a great place to ride........thanks for your kind words. The big GS is a great bike for touring, I've not found better yet. For me the GSA I think would just be a bit too much of a handful to manoeuvre on my drive way due the extra weight of the bigger tank, where I ride range is never an issue - although in the desert I dare say it is more of a problem where you are!! Ride safe and thanks for watching/commenting.....TMF
All is going pretty well, now! Thank you! You'd really enjoy it in about another 2 months or so, the summer heat is still here and the monsoons make for some unexpected floods. Lots of touring destinations North of Phoenix that cool down before the valley does. Haven't made it to Sedona yet, but its on my list for sure :)
I have been using it from third on. However, from first to second it is a rough throw. Also, from second to third is rough as well. I think I need to check with the dealer after watching your video.
I agree it doesn't work so well lower down the box unless it's under heavy load - this is by far the clunkiest of quick shifter's I've ever used, I don't think there is likely to be anything wrong with yours.....
Have it on my new R 1200 RT LC. Didn't think it was anything special but after 4000 km I am all in favour. Beside the cruise control it is greatest upgrade compared with my previous R 1200 R Classic.
Some subtle generalisations in there, though. It doesn’t really double-declutch (lest anyone be misled - there is no clutch actuation at all), and the electronic connector doesn’t really do any wizardry except relay the outputs of the strain gauge sensor to the BMS engine control unit. The smarts are in the latter, cutting power for the appropriate time during upshifts, and blipping the throttle appropriately during down shifts.
Good review. I've got a question if you can grab a minute or two to answer please...? I have the GS Adventure with the same unit on. For me when Im changing down it won't let me unless I roll-off the throttle each time - in other words if Im slowing down and the throttle is idle it won't let me shift down. so i can't go down without throttle on and off again before I shift down again. Is yours the same? Also, when shifting up, it doesn't allow me to shift up unless I'm absolutely at the right revs - I'm mean almost clinically so. The shifter is very stiff if I try slightly too soon. Does yours do that? I only ask as it looks like yours was much easier than I am experiencing and it made me wonder whether mine is working at all...
***** Think you have an issue there, mine will change down with throttle on or off - but it will complain if you get the revs wrong, smoother if you're coasting with no throttle on the downshift (as you normally are). Mine will upshift at pretty much any revs, but again smoother if the revs are at the higher end of the range - sounds like yours needs some adjustment! Good luck with it.....TMF
Great Vid... Keep them coming. I have the very same GS and this will be my next addition. It would have been handy on my run through the Alps this year :)
Hello again TMF, just a quick message to ask if you have adjusted your gear shift lever at all?. I had all sorts of issues when using the GS Pro boots to such an extent I had to use another pair ( Forma Adventure boots....super comfy and very waterproof) then sat down a worked out how to adjust the little blighter.... first thing is the actual black rubber part of the shifter is on an eccentric shaft allowing around 5mm up movement, then along with loosening the small nuts either end of the stainless steel shaft behind this adds another few mm which may not sound like much but makes a huge difference....by the way the little nuts on each end unscrew opposite to what one would think. Keep up the video's always look forward to a new post from you regards BH
+Black Hawk Hi again Black Hawk, I haven't made any adjustments to the quick shifter (I've not had any issues with my boots!), quite brave of you to have a go, in my experience with these you can sometimes bugger 'em up if you don't know what you're doing (and I don't!). Thanks for your kinds words, more vids to come soon....all the best - TMF
Wow, you had one of those fitted. I've tried the new adventurer with that fitted as standard.....I loved it, looks like the next addition. Ha. Hope you're well mate.
TheMissendenFlyer Hi TMF, may have to unsubscribe, you keep showing me stuff that I never even thought I needed, now I need one of these. Off to Spain in September so would be nice to get it on before then.Thanks for the review. OH! my misses doesn't thank you, take care
Naive Bandit ('99) here. I hardly ever use the clutch beyond second. So now I wonder why this assist thing even exists? I've never driven a shaft. Is it maybe related to tighter engagement of shaft vs. chain transmission?
Hi, I have the same quick shift on my bike. I find sometimes when accelerating there is like a hesitation to go into the next gear and the bike jolts even with plenty of revs. Downshift no issues. Have you experienced the same or similar? Thx
Quick Shift, it gives you something but it takes something away from the riding experience, BMW should make a GS with DTC then you wouldn't have to worry about using the clutch. Cool on the track, not sure about country lanes in the rain.
The beauty of the quick shift though is you can choose to use it or not - if you're feeling lazy, use it, if not don't....I love 'em and have them on three of my four bikes ;0) Thanks for watching - all the best - TMF
Another excellent video from you! As mentioned on another one of your videos I have just purchased the new GSA with Gearshift Assist Pro & I too love it! However, would you recommend on occasions use the clutch as one dealer told me no need to use the clutch & another dealer told me to use the clutch occasionally so very confusing! Would love your opinion please?
+Robert Taylor Yeah depends on how lazy I'm feeling Robert - I do use the clutch in low gears or if I want a smooth change, if it's a drag strip start from the lights then the quick shifter wins. I do enjoy changing down with it too. Having said all that the BMW quick shift is nowhere near as good as the Ducati or Triumph ones I have....
Hi TMF, thanks for the video, I am planning to buy 2014 R1200GS , and I was wondering if it is possible to install a quick shifter on that production year model ? Few days ago I have tried the GS for the very first time and it was 1250 HP with shift assist pro, and I loved it so much so now I am looking to have one on the bike I am planning to buy. Thanks for feedback !
I was wondering how you experience the evolution of BMW's Gear Shift Assist? Or is there anything changed over the years? In your BMW GS videos you talk about more smoothness over the years? For example, if I compare your comments on the 2017 GSA compared to the 2018 GSA and so on. Very curious if the 'clunkyness' improved over the years?
What on my bike you mean? Yes it has got a little bit smoother but still the newer engined bikes, particularly the current 1250's have way better gearboxes and quickshifters....
TheMissendenFlyer the last point. How did it improve over time in the models? You tested the 2017, 2018 1200 GSA and now also the 1250 one. So is the 2017 GSA less clunky than your own bike? And is the 2018 better than the 2017? Or is only the 1250 upgrade better?
another excellent video, you should work for BMW, there is nothing I've seen anywhere which explains and demonstrates this so well, great job, thanks for sharing the video. PS although I recently bought a Triumph Tiger explorer, there is a little nagging voice which keeps telling me I should have bought another GS, watch this space, lol cheers Tony
+antonoat Thanks Tony - glad you found the video informative. I'm a huge Triumph fan as you may have spotted.....but the big BMW isn't uber popular for no reason, I love mine more and more every time I ride it (not in any sort of weird way...you get what I mean!). Cheers - TMF
+opmike343 I'm glad if I've been able to shed a bit of light on it for you opmike343 - it's a great addition to the bike, just been out for a long ride on it and it's a real hoot (if not quite as slick as the quick shifter on my little Triumph)....
+antonoat I did exactly that ! I owned my 1150 GS for 14 years, then decided to change, and went for the Triumph Tiger Explorer XC. Had it for 10 months, a persistent nagging in my head. Then Bought a new BMW R1200GSA LC TE. Now I have the right bike !
@TMF I could use some advice on Gear Shift Assist Pro - I test rode a R1200GS with it fitted yesterday, but it didn't feel like other quick shifters I've ridden. On the upshifts I was really having to pull up the leaver to get it to shift (it was almost like when firing any sort of firearm - going to first pressure on the trigger and then a second effort to complete the action). On the downshifts it was a simple "prod" of the leaver (as expected). Is that how it feels for yours? Or is it a simple "prod the lever" as long as your under load? That was my experience on the Tracer 900GT so I was wondering if I'm missing something.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Gotcha - going to try another one on Monday to compare. It's really different to the one on the Tracer 900GT I have tried, and the same applies for the one on the Tiger 800 (down shifting is nice).
I think the advice to be “positive” with the upshifts is bang on, even on the new R1250 GS. I test rode one a few weeks ago, having never used a quick shifter previously. I got to a quiet stretch, pushed the gear lever up but without any great conviction and caused the bike to leap forward as it clunked from 2nd to 3rd - I thought it was going to rip my arms out of the sockets! I decided to change gear the old fashioned way for the rest of the ride. Didn’t put me off the bike though, and hopefully 2 weeks from today I’ll be getting my hands on my new Rallye TE and be able to put TMF’s good advice into practice 😀
Hi, I have a new BMW Adventure LC 2015 with the same system, actually I don't use is very often but I have some questions to make you. It was told me that for the first gear you have always to use the clutch, is this true? And the guy from BMW told me as well that if I start to use for example the clutch on second gear I can not use for the the third and so on the automatic shift assistance. I don't know if this is true because I don't see it on the motorbike manual. When you down gear is your accelerator to idle? Can I kindly ask you if possible how to adjust the shift lever for a comfortable shift change, with my riding boots I almost need to put my feet on vertical. Thank you in advance for your help and congrats to the nice video.
+Hugo Da Palma Thanks Hugo - the quick shifter works for all gears up and down the box but works best going up if you have the throttle pinned open, if not it is a bit clunky going from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, downshifting is smooth all the way as long as the throttle is closed.....hope that helps! Ride safe, TMF.
Like TMF said, the Shift Assist Pro works in all gears, albeit a bit rough in low gears. However, it is possible. In recent months, I've mastered shifting smoothly from 1st to 2nd and from 2nd to 3rd starting from a standstill. It requires a bit of precision timing and determination. Don't be afraid to use a bit of force when pulling up the lever. The gear shift may fail when you're not applying sufficient force on the lever. Also, you need to keep an eye on your RMP's. They can't be too low for up shifting, and can be too low or too high for down shifting.
So downshifting should be done on idle and up shifting should be done under load? max load, medium, low...? Is it a problem if i release the throttle when up shifting?
@@TheKaizenMaster yes i bought GSA last year and it is like that... when downshifting you have to remove the load on the engine just for a part of a second (what ever the speed, revs or gear is it in) kinda like braking with the engine, shift with confidence fast and without hesitation, not slowly. When up-shifting, same thing but the engine has to be under load (small, medium or full acceleration). Also it is important to let the shifter lever get back to original position between shifts because it is not going to shift properly further. Just like the ball-pen, if you click it several times in a row and do not let the mechanism return completely to the top it is not going to function properly during next click. Do not shift slowly thinking it is better for the gearbox, it is not, it starts kinda grinding sometimes...
@@ktm640lc4BGD thanks for your feedback! i just bought a 2017 bmw gs and i know it has quick shift feature. Previous owner claims he never used it as afraid will damage engine. I tried as oer your advice and it works well!
@@TheKaizenMaster He was probably shifting slowly and it started giving him ugly noises. Just shift with confidence at right moment and it will change complete experience to another level.
+JLO Staff Yes absolutely correct - it's "Like" having an auto box but you do need to physically move the lever and use the clutch at standstill to avoid a stall....
Hi Where did you get your tinted screen from please.Also I have just ordered my new 1200 adventure TE arrives in March I have ordered the quick shift as an option same colour as yours.Always had big V twins so fancied something different any hints or tips on ownership send them my way kind regards PS great video
+Keith Bedford It's an MRA vario screen from bikehps.com - I have a video or two on it elsewhere on my channel. Thanks for the kind words, loads of videos on the big BMW here if you take a look around - cheers - TMF
Do you actually have to push hard to get up in gears? I feel like its much heavier than normal gear changes, to a point where I feel fatigue in my foot. Worried about damaging my gearbox. Just picked up my first r1200gs with a quickshifter already preinstalled.
@@TheMissendenFlyer I think I'll just stop using it then before I break something. The upshifts sound normal and good, but forcing the gear changes just doensn't feel right.
Some clutches do not have oil in them (notably some Ducati’s).....these are dry clutches and they make a distinctive rattling sound. Wet clutches contain clutch fluid.....
Whilst its a nice toy, its pretty pointless on a road bike....maybe on a track it would be worth the potential extra split second gear change advantage.
Hi MF, It looks an excellent extra to have, so off I will go too the Truimph dealer to see if it can be fitted to my XRX and the cost ? good video, regards, Colin.
colin clewley Hi again Colin - of course the Triumph version is a quick shifter only so will only do up-changes, but still a great bit of kit. The one for my Street Triple was £295 + fitting, for the BMW £423 including fitting.....
Still playing catchup with your vids this is a great bit of kit,love watching you flaf around with your bikes from the comfort of my armchair,nobody does it better you that is not me lounging in a comfy chair anybody can do that hahahahaha
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I find that the BMW's Gear Assist Pro on my 2017 GS does perfect downshifts, including into first, but when going up through the gears it is not that smooth unless I am 'giving it the beans'. I have learnt that when nonchalantly going up through the gears it is best to just throttle back a hint on each up shift. The combination of the Assist Pro cutting the ignition and me cutting the fuel makes for perfect gear changes. Hey Ho.
I agree 100%
7000 miles on the 2018 K1600B with Assist Pro, great addition to the bike. No more helmet banging with shifting.
I tried it on the S1000XR and really like it. I've had a couple of quick-shifters on a K1300S and S1000RR, but never tried the down-shift system until now. And you're right, it's great. I don't feel you have to make particularly firm upshifts, but the engine does need to be accelerating and not cruising or rolling off to get the smoothest shifts.
I have to say, on my 2016, now with a grand total of 2500kms, -my replacement R1200GS- is still running in. The Quick Shift was never used by the 1st owner I can feel. Many bikers order it, but are frightened to use it. First few times can put you off!… False all sorts. Touch the clutch in QS, or make the wrong throttle action and things go rather wrong. I learned but it did confuse me (and the computer!) and I’m not sure the gearbox loved me either! Once you’ve got the idea, it’s great to work with. I never QS into 1st or out of it. I use QS for 2 - 6, and VV.
Anyway, round 2 , I’m running that bit in now too , very gently. It’s actually smoother than my late 2017. Yes, the blipping throttle action on going down gear, does raise a smile. It’s a very quick double de clutch! LoL. What an old fashioned term. I think we modernise that by ‘blipping the throttle’, same as you would do on a fully manual bike! Love it, QS, as do I love Cruise, Rain Mode, Amazing GPS to balance out the unreadable clocks (accept the tachomoter!) but I like the dash. Hill Start Assist is also really great! & all those modes. The Ultimate Motorcycle has been made. How can it be improved on now?
Good question - I imagine it won't stop BMW trying!
Got this on the RT - the missus loves the up changes as a passenger. She says the acceleration is almost seamless (maybe I'm just crap at manual changes lol)
What's it like going down the box? ...and at low speed?
Fine going down the box if riding spiritedly. I tend not to use it at low speed (old habits die hard). After more than 40 years on bikes every facet of my being still screams 'NO' at me when I go to downshift without using the clutch, but I'm getting over it. I do agree that you mustn't try to change half-heartedly with the gear shift assist pro - BMW have designed this with the 'sh*t or get off the pot' principle i.e. if your going to change gear, then DO IT; don't just tickle the lever.
How's the quickshifter holding up, have you had any issues with it? Heard of some people having problems?
It’s fine (although not the smoothest compared to more modern ones I’ve tried). No issues thus far though….
That sounds awesome! Thanks for the close up showing the operation, also interesting to know it's a dealer only fitting option.
Did you know the video is only running at 360, your videos are usually high def? Hold that thought, all the playback resolutions are now available!
Thanks for uploading,
Steve
DervMan You're too quick Dervman - the video is still being processed by the mighty googleplex! Try again and you'll get it in HD ;0)
This was very helpful to see your camera on the shifter. Thank you!
I have a question can it fit in my bmw R9T ?
Your answer will help me. Thank you
Best ask a dealer but I suspect not....
Great video sir, thank you.
I have been thinking of retrofitting the system to a 14 GSA...I heard it works flawlessly on the new GS though.
It works pretty well on my GS now it's had a couple of years to bed in....still lovin' it.
Great video couldn't find any video as well as yours! Especially coming from a new rider
+INCBMX Thank you very much!
Bit the bullet and got one for my gsa lc
It’s great
Definitely a little glitchy but probably me getting used to it
Would have been nice to know if it's something you can fit yourself or something a BMW dealer has to fit for you.
In my case defo a dealer fit!
Dealer must fit, there's a software code sent by BMW head office once its been installed. This maps your ECU with the device so all works seamlessly.
Great info TMF. Thanks! I've just plonked down a deposit on a 2016 R1200 GS. The only option I didn't get was Keyless Start (which I thought was a bit of a gimmick). I was debating the Shift Assist Pro worried that it might put undue stress on the clutch/transmission. The sales manager at my Motorrad said not worry (famous last words). He also said that I shouldn't use it when tootling around town, only during hard acceleration or deceleration. Your thoughts?? I ended up ticking the box and getting it anyway. After watching your video I think that was the right decision. Again, thanks for your videos, you have been more informative than the staff at BMW!! Keep 'em coming!!
Thanks Mike, the gear shift assist pro is great fun, I particularly like downshifting with it. Like all quick shifters it works best when the bike is under load (ie up shifting with the throttle pinned open) and because of that I imagine you won't use it in normal riding in the low gears....of the three bikes I have with quick shifters the BMW is the clunkiest in this respect. Well worth having though, unlike the keyless ignition (I agree a bit of a gimmick). Have fun and enjoy the new bike :0) TMG
You make that WC boxer with the extras sound SOOO good!
I bought a gently used 2009 GS last Oct as my second bike. I've only ridden 20,000 Km since then with nothing but smiles. Ha, even in the monsoon down pours this week here in Arizona were better than the ones I tackled on my CBR250. If anything happened to GooSe I'd hop on a new GS as soon as I could.
But that new GSA with the extra fuel would be icing on the cake :)
RCFlyBoy314 Hey RCFlyBoy314 nice to hear from you again, hope all is well over there? - I'd love to ride in Arizona, one of my favourite states (not that I've been to them all) - I did a flying tour there once and landed at Sedona, would be a great place to ride........thanks for your kind words. The big GS is a great bike for touring, I've not found better yet. For me the GSA I think would just be a bit too much of a handful to manoeuvre on my drive way due the extra weight of the bigger tank, where I ride range is never an issue - although in the desert I dare say it is more of a problem where you are!! Ride safe and thanks for watching/commenting.....TMF
All is going pretty well, now! Thank you! You'd really enjoy it in about another 2 months or so, the summer heat is still here and the monsoons make for some unexpected floods. Lots of touring destinations North of Phoenix that cool down before the valley does. Haven't made it to Sedona yet, but its on my list for sure :)
I have been using it from third on. However, from first to second it is a rough throw. Also, from second to third is rough as well. I think I need to check with the dealer after watching your video.
I agree it doesn't work so well lower down the box unless it's under heavy load - this is by far the clunkiest of quick shifter's I've ever used, I don't think there is likely to be anything wrong with yours.....
Well done TMF, professionally done as always.
Thank you
Have it on my new R 1200 RT LC. Didn't think it was anything special but after 4000 km I am all in favour. Beside the cruise control it is greatest upgrade compared with my previous R 1200 R Classic.
You do a better job at promoting BMWs than BMW do themselves (apart from the free coffee)...thanks for posting.
Nick Laskaris Cheers Nick - I'm not intentionally trying to promote them, I do love my Triumph and Honda too!!
Some subtle generalisations in there, though. It doesn’t really double-declutch (lest anyone be misled - there is no clutch actuation at all), and the electronic connector doesn’t really do any wizardry except relay the outputs of the strain gauge sensor to the BMS engine control unit. The smarts are in the latter, cutting power for the appropriate time during upshifts, and blipping the throttle appropriately during down shifts.
Good review. I've got a question if you can grab a minute or two to answer please...? I have the GS Adventure with the same unit on. For me when Im changing down it won't let me unless I roll-off the throttle each time - in other words if Im slowing down and the throttle is idle it won't let me shift down. so i can't go down without throttle on and off again before I shift down again. Is yours the same? Also, when shifting up, it doesn't allow me to shift up unless I'm absolutely at the right revs - I'm mean almost clinically so. The shifter is very stiff if I try slightly too soon. Does yours do that? I only ask as it looks like yours was much easier than I am experiencing and it made me wonder whether mine is working at all...
***** Think you have an issue there, mine will change down with throttle on or off - but it will complain if you get the revs wrong, smoother if you're coasting with no throttle on the downshift (as you normally are). Mine will upshift at pretty much any revs, but again smoother if the revs are at the higher end of the range - sounds like yours needs some adjustment! Good luck with it.....TMF
I have a question regarding the down shifting. Do you have to roll off the throttle completely before down shifting ?
Yes I do anyway….
Great Vid... Keep them coming. I have the very same GS and this will be my next addition. It would have been handy on my run through the Alps this year :)
+Shingfly Online Cheers Shingfly, better late than never eh? Great fun these, you'll love it....
Hello again TMF,
just a quick message to ask if you have adjusted your gear shift lever at all?. I had all sorts of issues when using the GS Pro boots to such an extent I had to use another pair ( Forma Adventure boots....super comfy and very waterproof) then sat down a worked out how to adjust the little blighter.... first thing is the actual black rubber part of the shifter is on an eccentric shaft allowing around 5mm up movement, then along with loosening the small nuts either end of the stainless steel shaft behind this adds another few mm which may not sound like much but makes a huge difference....by the way the little nuts on each end unscrew opposite to what one would think.
Keep up the video's always look forward to a new post from you
regards
BH
+Black Hawk Hi again Black Hawk, I haven't made any adjustments to the quick shifter (I've not had any issues with my boots!), quite brave of you to have a go, in my experience with these you can sometimes bugger 'em up if you don't know what you're doing (and I don't!). Thanks for your kinds words, more vids to come soon....all the best - TMF
HI did you install a retrofit kit I have a K50 without it, wants to know if i can install on mine.
Wow, you had one of those fitted. I've tried the new adventurer with that fitted as standard.....I loved it, looks like the next addition. Ha. Hope you're well mate.
Beans Hi Beans - good to hear from you again - how did your tour go??? When do we get to see the videos???
TheMissendenFlyer Hi TMF, may have to unsubscribe, you keep showing me stuff that I never even thought I needed, now I need one of these. Off to Spain in September so would be nice to get it on before then.Thanks for the review. OH! my misses doesn't thank you, take care
Danny Bannister Surely your missus wants you to be happy doesn't she??
Naive Bandit ('99) here. I hardly ever use the clutch beyond second. So now I wonder why this assist thing even exists? I've never driven a shaft. Is it maybe related to tighter engagement of shaft vs. chain transmission?
No, nowt to do with that….
Nice one
Hi, I have the same quick shift on my bike. I find sometimes when accelerating there is like a hesitation to go into the next gear and the bike jolts even with plenty of revs. Downshift no issues. Have you experienced the same or similar? Thx
+mymotorcave Yes pretty much, as quick shifters go the BMW one on the GS is a bit agricultural...
Bit late to the party but what did bmw charge to do this? Thanks 👍
Hi, MF Just wondering usually you mention rough costs of your upgrades how much did it cost you to get the assist pro added after purchase? Cheers
Hi Damian, £423 fitted if my memory serves me correctly (local BMW dealer obviously)....
Do you keep the ball of your foot on the foot peg when you riding?
Quick Shift, it gives you something but it takes something away from the riding experience, BMW should make a GS with DTC then you wouldn't have to worry about using the clutch. Cool on the track, not sure about country lanes in the rain.
The beauty of the quick shift though is you can choose to use it or not - if you're feeling lazy, use it, if not don't....I love 'em and have them on three of my four bikes ;0) Thanks for watching - all the best - TMF
Another excellent video from you! As mentioned on another one of your videos I have just purchased the new GSA with Gearshift Assist Pro & I too love it! However, would you recommend on occasions use the clutch as one dealer told me no need to use the clutch & another dealer told me to use the clutch occasionally so very confusing! Would love your opinion please?
+Robert Taylor Yeah depends on how lazy I'm feeling Robert - I do use the clutch in low gears or if I want a smooth change, if it's a drag strip start from the lights then the quick shifter wins. I do enjoy changing down with it too. Having said all that the BMW quick shift is nowhere near as good as the Ducati or Triumph ones I have....
+TheMissendenFlyer Yep I think I will use it more more downshifting. Many thanks much appreciated!
Did you hear anything about the gear shift assist pro being better when fitted at the factory instead putting it on later after a few years?
Nope....is it then? Having said that mine has loosened up a treat now and works pretty well 25,000 miles on!
Presumably, though, this still leaves you with the option to "manually" change gear should you wish?
Len Scapoff Indeed it does, doesn't detract any fun from the bike, only adds to it! Good to hear from you again Len, hope all is well?
TheMissendenFlyer All good thanks. Cheers TMF.
Hi TMF, thanks for the video, I am planning to buy 2014 R1200GS , and I was wondering if it is possible to install a quick shifter on that production year model ? Few days ago I have tried the GS for the very first time and it was 1250 HP with shift assist pro, and I loved it so much so now I am looking to have one on the bike I am planning to buy. Thanks for feedback !
Yes, mine is a 2014 MY.....
Great demo. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Do you know if this can be retro fitted to older models, like a 2010 RT?
Your videos are great- Have a 2015 r1200r liked your windshield on the bike what make is it ? is it adjustable or is the top piece just a extender
+Bill Benoit Thank you Bill - it's an MRA VarioScreen - fully adjustable as the name suggests....great bit of kit...
why do you need to change your foot back everytime you change gear? looks like the shifter is to far away?
Probably just a habit/comfort thing - no issue for me...thanks for watching - TMF
Thank you for the review and Take Care
You're welcome Wayne....and will do!
Yes another excellent clip!
Thank you Richard...
I was wondering how you experience the evolution of BMW's Gear Shift Assist? Or is there anything changed over the years? In your BMW GS videos you talk about more smoothness over the years? For example, if I compare your comments on the 2017 GSA compared to the 2018 GSA and so on.
Very curious if the 'clunkyness' improved over the years?
What on my bike you mean? Yes it has got a little bit smoother but still the newer engined bikes, particularly the current 1250's have way better gearboxes and quickshifters....
TheMissendenFlyer the last point. How did it improve over time in the models? You tested the 2017, 2018 1200 GSA and now also the 1250 one.
So is the 2017 GSA less clunky than your own bike? And is the 2018 better than the 2017? Or is only the 1250 upgrade better?
another excellent video, you should work for BMW, there is nothing I've seen anywhere which explains and demonstrates this so well, great job, thanks
for sharing the video.
PS although I recently bought a Triumph Tiger explorer, there is a little nagging voice which keeps telling me I should have bought another GS, watch this space, lol
cheers
Tony
+antonoat Thanks Tony - glad you found the video informative. I'm a huge Triumph fan as you may have spotted.....but the big BMW isn't uber popular for no reason, I love mine more and more every time I ride it (not in any sort of weird way...you get what I mean!). Cheers - TMF
+antonoat Yeah, nearly every review just makes a passing comment about it without explaining anything.
+opmike343 I'm glad if I've been able to shed a bit of light on it for you opmike343 - it's a great addition to the bike, just been out for a long ride on it and it's a real hoot (if not quite as slick as the quick shifter on my little Triumph)....
+antonoat I did exactly that !
I owned my 1150 GS for 14 years, then decided to change, and went for the Triumph Tiger Explorer XC.
Had it for 10 months, a persistent nagging in my head. Then Bought a new BMW R1200GSA LC TE.
Now I have the right bike !
@TMF I could use some advice on Gear Shift Assist Pro - I test rode a R1200GS with it fitted yesterday, but it didn't feel like other quick shifters I've ridden. On the upshifts I was really having to pull up the leaver to get it to shift (it was almost like when firing any sort of firearm - going to first pressure on the trigger and then a second effort to complete the action). On the downshifts it was a simple "prod" of the leaver (as expected).
Is that how it feels for yours? Or is it a simple "prod the lever" as long as your under load? That was my experience on the Tracer 900GT so I was wondering if I'm missing something.
No they aren't great on the boxer engines - clunky is normal - the newer 1250's are somewhat better but still not the slickest.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Gotcha - going to try another one on Monday to compare. It's really different to the one on the Tracer 900GT I have tried, and the same applies for the one on the Tiger 800 (down shifting is nice).
I think the advice to be “positive” with the upshifts is bang on, even on the new R1250 GS. I test rode one a few weeks ago, having never used a quick shifter previously. I got to a quiet stretch, pushed the gear lever up but without any great conviction and caused the bike to leap forward as it clunked from 2nd to 3rd - I thought it was going to rip my arms out of the sockets! I decided to change gear the old fashioned way for the rest of the ride.
Didn’t put me off the bike though, and hopefully 2 weeks from today I’ll be getting my hands on my new Rallye TE and be able to put TMF’s good advice into practice 😀
@@smac4749 I bought Africa Twin with the DCT box in the end 😂
Hi, I have a new BMW Adventure LC 2015 with the same system, actually I don't use is very often but I have some questions to make you. It was told me that for the first gear you have always to use the clutch, is this true? And the guy from BMW told me as well that if I start to use for example the clutch on second gear I can not use for the the third and so on the automatic shift assistance. I don't know if this is true because I don't see it on the motorbike manual. When you down gear is your accelerator to idle?
Can I kindly ask you if possible how to adjust the shift lever for a comfortable shift change, with my riding boots I almost need to put my feet on vertical.
Thank you in advance for your help and congrats to the nice video.
+Hugo Da Palma Thanks Hugo - the quick shifter works for all gears up and down the box but works best going up if you have the throttle pinned open, if not it is a bit clunky going from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, downshifting is smooth all the way as long as the throttle is closed.....hope that helps! Ride safe, TMF.
Like TMF said, the Shift Assist Pro works in all gears, albeit a bit rough in low gears. However, it is possible. In recent months, I've mastered shifting smoothly from 1st to 2nd and from 2nd to 3rd starting from a standstill. It requires a bit of precision timing and determination. Don't be afraid to use a bit of force when pulling up the lever. The gear shift may fail when you're not applying sufficient force on the lever. Also, you need to keep an eye on your RMP's. They can't be too low for up shifting, and can be too low or too high for down shifting.
QUESTION: Is the clutch replaced with a break lever like a scooter? ty in advance.
+Dillian Beverly No, you still have a normal clutch so you have to pull the clutch lever when you come to a standstill to avoid stalling the bike....
Thanks for the video. Is that a stock windshield? Who makes that top spoiler on top of it?
+Rob Fern No it's not stock - it's an "MRA Vario screen" - brilliant piece of kit.....
So downshifting should be done on idle and up shifting should be done under load? max load, medium, low...? Is it a problem if i release the throttle when up shifting?
Found the answer for this? I too want to know
@@TheKaizenMaster yes i bought GSA last year and it is like that... when downshifting you have to remove the load on the engine just for a part of a second (what ever the speed, revs or gear is it in) kinda like braking with the engine, shift with confidence fast and without hesitation, not slowly. When up-shifting, same thing but the engine has to be under load (small, medium or full acceleration). Also it is important to let the shifter lever get back to original position between shifts because it is not going to shift properly further. Just like the ball-pen, if you click it several times in a row and do not let the mechanism return completely to the top it is not going to function properly during next click. Do not shift slowly thinking it is better for the gearbox, it is not, it starts kinda grinding sometimes...
@@ktm640lc4BGD thanks for your feedback! i just bought a 2017 bmw gs and i know it has quick shift feature. Previous owner claims he never used it as afraid will damage engine. I tried as oer your advice and it works well!
@@TheKaizenMaster He was probably shifting slowly and it started giving him ugly noises. Just shift with confidence at right moment and it will change complete experience to another level.
My Honda NC750 has DCT and no clutch. Presumably on BMW you need to pull in clutch lever when stationary and in first gear? Thanks. Jon
+JLO Staff Yes absolutely correct - it's "Like" having an auto box but you do need to physically move the lever and use the clutch at standstill to avoid a stall....
TheMissendenFlyer Brill. thanks for getting back to me. Jon
+JLO Staff You're very welcome - thanks for stopping by!
Hi
Where did you get your tinted screen from please.Also I have just ordered my new 1200 adventure TE arrives in March I have ordered the quick shift as an option same colour as yours.Always had big V twins so fancied something different any hints or tips on ownership send them my way
kind regards
PS great video
+Keith Bedford It's an MRA vario screen from bikehps.com - I have a video or two on it elsewhere on my channel. Thanks for the kind words, loads of videos on the big BMW here if you take a look around - cheers - TMF
Many thanks
Do you actually have to push hard to get up in gears? I feel like its much heavier than normal gear changes, to a point where I feel fatigue in my foot. Worried about damaging my gearbox. Just picked up my first r1200gs with a quickshifter already preinstalled.
Shouldn't be THAT hard, just a positive uplift.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer I think I'll just stop using it then before I break something. The upshifts sound normal and good, but forcing the gear changes just doensn't feel right.
Excellent video......
+2391jessie Thank you :0)
great review. many thanks
Thanks for saying so Alex :0)
TheMissendenFlyer Just subscribed . keep up the good work.
have you test rode the xr 1000 yet?
Two Wheel Review Yep th-cam.com/video/ftFS4JDNv7o/w-d-xo.html
is gear shift 1,N,2 or N,1,2?
1 n 2
I was asked if I have a wet or dry clutch on my 2018 BMW gs 1200 adventure, what does that mean?
Some clutches do not have oil in them (notably some Ducati’s).....these are dry clutches and they make a distinctive rattling sound. Wet clutches contain clutch fluid.....
Clutch fluid = gearbox oil. :)
Whilst its a nice toy, its pretty pointless on a road bike....maybe on a track it would be worth the potential extra split second gear change advantage.
I think I said as much in the video didn't I? It is a nice toy as you say - cheers for stopping by - TMF
So, just to be clear, you are only using your clutch on takeoff?
Correct...it's optional everywhere else and in the lower gears it can be clunky - but that's the basic idea.....
Taking off, AND stopping.
Sadly not available apparently for the early LC models :-(
Well very early LC - I bought mine as a MY14 in 2013 and it fits mine....
Mine's the March 2013 and until now very happy with it. Bought a bigger screen mind (but not smoked). Taking the RS out next week though...
Ah yes, you're stuffed then!
When using the quick shifter u don't have to use the clutch at all.
+Eric Marrero No you don't (except when you come to a halt).....
I assume it’s available for the K1600 GT? Any info on retro fitting one?
Well mine was retrofitted (by a dealer)....
Would you know if this is available on the older RT models specifically the 2010 Model?
I think it isn’t available....
Thank you for your reply.
Hi MF, It looks an excellent extra to have, so off I will go too the Truimph dealer to see if it can be fitted to my XRX and the cost ? good video, regards, Colin.
colin clewley Hi again Colin - of course the Triumph version is a quick shifter only so will only do up-changes, but still a great bit of kit. The one for my Street Triple was £295 + fitting, for the BMW £423 including fitting.....
many thanks, I`ll get it sorted, regards Colin
Does it fit on a GS1200 LC 2013 as well ?
Mine is a GS1200 LC 2013!
Thanks a lot
I’ll install one to enjoy that cluthless shift assist pro
Do u still use the clutch lever?
Sometimes yes - particularly low gears....
Your video crashes my tv youtube... A few times... Weird
Sorry!
Super video
Thank you...
+Richard Dunn Agreed!
Still playing catchup with your vids this is a great bit of kit,love watching you flaf around with your bikes from the comfort of my armchair,nobody does it better you that is not me lounging in a comfy chair anybody can do that hahahahaha
Thank you James!
good
Nice nice
Sounds like a stormtrooper 😂
My late Dad used to say exactly your words! He had his team of Stormtroopers, 8 well chosen full on Women. He was a perfect gentleman, but had an eye.
22 sec intro wtf!
Yep - no more!!
your videos are great mate but please please stop with the intro of "hey kids!".. darn annoying ;-)
therealmrcheese ...I was thinking of changing it to "nice to see you to see you nice".... ;0)