Agreed, love new bikes but the price of them are well out of reach, unfortunately I think motorcycle manufacturers are now making more of a rich man’s toy rather than a working man’s form of transportation. Maybe that’s why royal Enfield are doing so well as they seem to be making good bikes at at value??
I bought my R1200 G/S new in 2007. With 62,000 miles on the clock, it runs as good as the day I bought it. I have done all my own service, both minor (at 4,500 miles) and major (at 12,000 miles). Still on the original clutch. It may be needing replacement in another 10,000 miles. Replaced the factory shocks at 19,000 miles with Wilber’s,rebuilt those at 59,000 miles. I can’t see replacing this bike until it gives up the ghost. Don’t see that happening anytime soon though. You did a very nice review on these older machines.
Just saw this - I’ve got an identical ‘05 GS in the same metallic dark blue! I also ride with just the top case unless on a tour. These were a huge leap over the prior gen R1150GS - LOST 66Lbs!! Plus new everything else, cockpit, adjustable screen, USB charging, those expandable cases, and a sportier exhaust! Mine was upgraded by original owner to Öhlins suspension which is the magic carpet ride and great Control. The ABS brakes work great and the front applies also to the rear. I just changed out the battery to Lithium Ion so lost another 10lbs geez. I really love mine with amber riding lights and Heidenau Scouts she has some nice turn in! Peace all see ya on the trail! 👌🏼
These used bike reviews are brilliant Andy, I have an 09 BMW that I paid a little over 2k for last year and love it. It's not perfect in terms of condition, but that is part of the appeal, when I had a new bike I was far too precious about using it in all weathers and mileage etc. with a used bike I find myself far more likely to put it to use.
I got a 1993 R1100rs in 2001 with 20000 miles for $6000. I rode it as my only motorcycle for 19 years. Replaced the clutch at about 30000 miles (the first year 4-valve boxers had clutch issues). Other than that it was just routine maintenance. At the time I couldn't have afforded to ride anything else, nearly two decades with no repairs. 5 years ago I bent a wheel and that cost a small fortune to replace, BMW made them to bend not break, and they are increasingly unavailable. I'm still a guy with only one bike, I'd be the old man on a KTM rc390! As an old friend once said, "beware of the man with only one gun, because he'll know how to use it!" Thanks Mr Flyer, your review helped me decide to get the KTM giggle machine!
I continue to choose minimal electronics over the modern plethora of ride modes; I’m at a time of life when I could afford the latest and best, but give me a quality retro over techno every time. Great review Andy 👍.
I like the Transair headset bag in the back. I use mine as a lunchbag for work! Pilot here too, albeit out of hours after the covid thing. Looking seriously at these 1200GS's so this video is really useful. Thanks!
Great video. I have an 08 GSA that I bought in 2010, sold it in 2018 then bought it back last year. Spent the winter doing a deep clean and refurb on it then MOT'd it last month. As soon as I rode it I knew that the R1200GS LC I had was no longer required so I sold it last week. The GSA now has 73K miles on it and rides like its almost new. Lovely bikes.
Hello Mr. Flyer. As an owner of a 2012 GSA, I found your review to be on point. My bike has the 110hp oil cooled engine, and when riding alone I’ve never felt the need for more power. (stop light challenges with friends, the extra hp is missed). I’ve got 40K miles on mine, I’ve ridden across North America twice (I live near Detroit), and I still love the bike. The one thing that would get me to go newer would be a cruise control.. thanks again.
i used to have a 2007 model, and after 70.000 km without problems ( i solf it with 120.000 km because was second hand), i jumped to my actuall 2010 model, wich feels basically as the 2007 model, but with more torque on low revs and more power at high rpm. just what i was looking for. now is 73.000 km and just changed their shock absorbers for a pair of ohlins, and no plan to change it in the near future. no mechanical problems and few electronic to be worried . for me one of the best bikes to travel around. my 2007 cost me only 5700 euros and after 4 years, i can sold it for 5000. the new one, i payed 8700 euros because is a desired model in europe, but much less than the around 23000 of a new 1250 model, depending on extras.
cruise control is very useful in long trips, it´s a pity that air model d´ont have it. anyway, you always can install a "mechanical cruise control" that will help. for example the one from WUNDERLICH, i have it and is helpful@@markhpluygers2226
I recently bought a 2010 30th anniversary GS with 130.000 Km, from it's 1st owner, as my 2nd bike (mostly for 2up riding and holidays). It's also the air-cooled (DOHC though) and still running good, no issues . Nice to see your review therefore and compare it with my own recent experiences on this older GS. A bike I had in the '80s was the Kawasaki GPz900r (the 'Top Gun' bike). I would love to see you do a review on that.
I owned a mid-90s GS and that motorcycle never gave me any issues. It is one of the bikes I wish I still owned. Love your review of older bikes. They bring back many fond memories!
I really do appreciate the reviews on the older bikes, especially when compared to the newer rides. These older bikes have such a raw feel, and still have a lot of performance
My 2006 1200 GS adventure which I bought new has been the best bike I’ve ever owned and ridden. Used for everything it was designed for, touring, trails, commuting, a couple of track days and even a bit of instructing, just a brilliant bike. Fully loaded with the ally boxes, a tank bag and a few Nippy Norman farkles, it felt like you could ride around the world. Sold a few years ago with 45k miles on the clock to its new owner who still has it. Charlie and Ewan have a lot to answer for 😄
Great comparison review between the old and new GS's, I appreciate it as I am thinking of getting into a GS in this age group, currently have the 03 R1150R rockster edition 80 and am impressed with the older one's at this point, as my confidence with the brand grows may plump for a newish one, always been an in line 4 fanboy but am unpressed so far
Hola Flyer, there was a indeed lower seat for that model and there's plenty of them still around new and second hand, the very early R1200GS (2004-2007) offered ABS and ASC as an option, from 2008 (same engine as he 2007 but slightly diff looks) ABS became standard while ASC and ESA remained optional, 2009 models were the first to be powered by the twin cam engine (the black spark plug/coil cover was/is vertical instead of horizontal as on this one) and the engine produced 110 BHP. 2008 and on models had slightly different electronics (made the installation of the optional fog lights a matter of plug an play) but other than that the model remained the same until the liquid cooled ones came out. Very nice and forgiving bike, for those out there looking at buying one make sure all the lights on the dash lit up (ABS/ASC) upon twisting the key and disappear when you start moving, take the bike for a spin and make sure both ABS and ASC can be switched off and back on (be gentle until the bike is yours) and request proof that the ring antenna and the fuel pump controller have been replaced by BMW and install crash bars (if not already fitted) to protect your engine in case you drop it. Then put some gas in the tank and enjoy.
The engine is partially liquid cooled as it is air/oil cooled - hence the term Oilhead. They are great bikes that will go on for many years if properly maintained. As far as the gearbox goes, the one on my 2004 Oilhead is as slick as any Japanese bike, and I can make clutchless changes up and down the box if I get the revs right. The other advantage of Oilheads from earlier years, is the quality of the finish, compared to later bikes - prior to the introduction of water based paints.
Great review. I have that exact bike. I love it. Funnily enough the indicators are the main thing that put me off the newer bikes! Really love these reviews of the older kit; top work, sir!
Great to see this video. I recently picked up a 2004 model with 77k miles on it. 1 owner from new, full luggage and lots of touratech goodies. Just over £2100. Can't go wrong really. Minimal corrosion too!
Literally just picked up a 2009 R1200GS two days ago, 3 hour ride home in the dark and wet and it didn't miss a beat! Can't wait to get out on it more and setup some longer trips.
I recently bought an 08 after owning sports bikes pretty much exclusively. I must say I'm surprised at how light and nimble it feels when it's moving but it is a bugger to push around so thought is needed when parking. I would say I'm definitely a GS convert, it goes well, stops well and is comfortable over long distances which is good as I bought it to tour around Europe.
My experience riding 2005 R1200GS and R1200R at a 2005 rally. I fell in love with the boxer engine in both bikes. For me, the R1200R was slightly sharper in the corners, but the GS was far more comfortable for any distance. A few years later I was able to even ride a used 2005 R1200RT, but it had some engine issues so I can’t fault the platform. I would love to try out some newer versions, as long as they’re boxers.
Thank you for this . As a fairly new rider who lives in London ( making insurance ridiculous ) these kind of bikes are much more realistic , and it’s good to hear what you’re potentially missing out on. I’ve just bought a 2013 R1200R fo this reason. Love the boxers ! Cheers
Andy you now have me looking at a gs 1200 always loved the look think they have sold the one you have ridden looked a clean bike they have a 2006 with very low mileage mmmmmmmmm
i had a 2009 gs, and apart from the horrendous clunk into first gear, was way and above the 2017 i got with the excellent electronics and stuff. If one could be emotional about it, it had a soul that made you want to ride. the later one, though an incredible bike, after the initial enthusiasm, really left me cold, and it sat in the garage for to long. Now on AT, not saying that's the answer, but my grin is back. Thanks for an interesting review.
I absolutely agree with you, I rode a 2018 and I kept my 2009. On the 2018 model, I felt like it was a good bike but lost the feel I love on my 2009. I felt a bit disconnected if that makes sense. My 2009 also has more leg room and I thought all the electronics were just not needed. I have been on bikes for over 35 years though and I think newer riders just don't understand the different souls and characters that more mechanical bikes have.
I had a 2010 R1200GS, sold it to get ready for retirement. Loved the bike. I’m of the mind the more electronics the more expensive it’ll be to repair(we had a Mercedes SL550 a couple of years ago) and I like simplicity. Currently have a 2001 F650GS, 2012 Harley ElectraGlide and a new to me 2011 Kawasaki Concours14. Older bikes are most times half price and just as much fun as a new one. Love em!
Thanks for the review. I have the 2009 model with longer Ohlins Adventure shocks, wire wheels, knobbly tires and it gets thrashed around the steep and often rough gravel backroads of New Zealand. It’s probably still the best ‘proper’ adventure bike around. Wife goes on the back for summer touring (with road tires) and the bike has plenty of power for a fully loaded journey. I put on the bikini fairing and remove the rear hand holds and rear box racks and its ready for the next nasty trip. Currently have 157000km on it continues to purr. What would I replace it with to do everything I do without taking on a small mortgage? I recently replaced the clutch again, which is a big job but doesn’t require special equipment, and I also had the final drive rebuilt at 140000km. Also, by todays standards, it’s not actually that heavy. My 2 cents worth - buy one (after 2008) and you won’t regret it :)
Funny how things change as that is about the same weight as a Yamaha T700. I have two modern bikes but often think about getting a analog bike. I survived riding many years without all the new electronics which I now love!
The modern ones are significantly heavier than the 2006. Water cooled bikes always are. Plus all the extra electronics. The original 1200 was considered a bit of a miracle when first released, due to its relative light weight.
I remember when this one came out and being so enamored with the bike that while I was drooling over the bike at the Houston Motorcycle show, I ended up selling a brand new one for that year's representing BMW dealership that was attending, even though I wasn't a salesman. The young man who I got into a conversation with about the bike was very receptive to my enthusiasm about what knowledge I had gained about reading everything I could on it asked me if he could buy one from me as he thought I was a salesman. That said, it has aged a bit but I won't forget the effect it had on me at the time. Thanks for the review!
I had some time ago now, the original R80GS, it was a simpler machine and felt a lot less top heavy and weighty than the more modern variants. The gearbox on that was sweet except for enormous clunk into 1st. Never seemed to do it any harm though....
Great to see this review of my last bike! Yep - low seat available which I ordered from BMW Germany for my 2006 GS (still got details if anyone needs) which was P/Exed for R nineT - love that this engine lives on in a current model. I prefer the more simplistic lower tech bikes but a fuel gauge would be nice on the R nineT! In some ways wish I still had the GS but nineT is more manageable on the drive etc.
@@TheMissendenFlyer . Well newsflash, I bought a 2006 BMW 1200GS Clunk-O-Matic with 36K on the clock. A magnificent machine indeed, that does however require relearning gear change techniques. As my slightly irreverent model description implies, it has a very clunky gear change,1st 2nd and 3rd. Hints of a transmission Apocalypse! To quell my fears I have joined a 12OO GS owners group and sure enough nearly all 1200GS suffer from this malaise to some degree or another. It seems assertive preloaded shifting and a gearbox oil change helps to make gear changing a little less daunting! So it appears Mr Flyer you rode a unicorn of a 1200GS or more likely, you are a very skilled rider! Thanks for all your work. Love it. Cheers.
I have a 09 R1200gs. Bought it when she had 12050 miles. Have about 33500 on it now and I love it. Will never sell. 19 day trip is the longest time I've been in the saddle. True air head.
Thanks for this particular video, I've been considering buying a GS for a while and you've made up my mind. I purchased a 2006 R1200GS last Friday. Picking it up this week. The bike come complete with the genuine BMW luggage. Can't wait to get out touring on it.
Bit of an update on the GS. I downsized from a multistrada 1200 to a Versys 650 due to weight handling off stand etc. Although the GS is slightly heavier than the Versys (5kg) it feels lighter on the ride. The motorway cruising speed is a revelation around 4,000rpm against the Versys 5,600rpm makes distance rides less stressful and far more relaxing. I'm fast becoming a BMW fan.
I still use my 2007 GS 1200 as my daily rider to work and I love it the only complaints are the first gear is too high and the sixth gear too low, I'm always looking for the seventh gear. I still get positive comments on the bike as this is the nicest bike they've seen. 47 thousand miles, only issue worn slave cylinder and had to replace one coil :)
My first ride on a GS was on my mates 2010 twin cam. Not unpleasant and I acknowledge it takes a bit of getting used to after a VFR800. I would not have bought one, though. Fast forward 10 years and I've had three GSs, all LCs, including the 1250. My first 2016 LC was so different from the 2010 twin cam.
Great Video, i had two R 1100 GS with a lot more then 100.000 km….no problem with the air cooled engine. Now i bought my new old R 1200 GS from 2008 with 55Tkm…Great bikes and theylast nearly forever…
Andy, great review as ever. I bought an RT over the GS in 2005 being better value for money but was wooed by a 2008 GSA. The later twin cam engine didn’t add enough for me to change but the LC was a game changer and so much better. I’ve has a GS then a GSA. It felt alive and connected which the earlier 1200 just didn’t for me. The instruments are far too hard to read and this was carried over. Should you try to read the km section you’d need way better eyesight than I had then or do now. These older bikes, though, have a charm and are more solid with better low down grunt. Keep up the good work!
Looks like that bike is suffering the same problem as the 1150s -- the sidestand pivot flogs out, causing the bike to lean over too far. This also makes it heavy to get off the sidestand. A lovely looking example, though. Great review!👍
Just purchased a 2007 GS Standard exactly like this w/20k mi and I will concur with everything said in this video. A completely capable bike even by today's standards. I ride with 2 guys who both own much newer bikes and can match whatever they're up to. Plus, I will also point out the virtue of simplicity and ease of maintenance as a distinct benefit of an older GS.
Always great reviews Andy, I still have my 2007 since new. Love the bike . Never give any major problems just a regular oil change and tune up needed. Keep the work
@@roadwarrior8560 you just make a little Loop where the Master Cylinders go into the ABS,?and hook it to the outgoing from the ABS to the Brakes. It only takes about a 3” piece of Tubing and Fittings.
Mine was older than that - a 2002 R1150GS (but just 2 years old when I bought it) that I rode from Cheshire to the Sahara and back, and a lot around Europe, down into Italy etc. It was excellent for trips likes that, handling fast motorway blasts as well as Moroccan dirt roads. It was a tad tall for me so once I'd hung up my long distance touring boots I sold it. But it held great memories for me and I think, with its distinctive ' Patrick Moor' monocle-look round headlights was more characterful than the the later 1200 you ride here. But they really are great bikes!
I have a 2009 model, it drives well but the fuel sender is junk, the rubber sleeves on the cardan shaft are becoming porous and the trick clutch jerks and stinks when under load (stop and go on a hill). Greetings Edward
For me that’s a review of a very modern bike. I’m riding a 1999 r1100r and love it. Over 100k on the odometer, been all over Europe, including a fantastic run from Sicily to France. Aiming to follow in your tracks and do a ride to Nordkapp next year.
I’ve owned a 2008 model for around 2 years - 59000 miles on it and increasing. Great bike - indicator set up is a bit painful I’m constantly indicating right while trying to cancel the right one. Currently using it for my advanced motorcycle course - Great Fun 😎
Thanks again Andy for a great review. I recently purchased an immaculate yellow 2006 with service history and full BMW pannier’s and top box for £4950! I absolutely love it. If anyone is out there who wants a bike that will make them smile and do basically do anything a modern £20k adventure bike will do, look no further. I agree that it is a bit tall and heavy but you soon get used to it. That also goes for the indicator set up, what were they thinking? I recognize the roads in this video as I’m originally from Tring. The old boys and I did a circular loop through the Chilterns last weekend. Fabulous area for motorcycling. Perhaps we’ll meet out on the road sometime. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to the next review.
@@epexlinux Hi. Most of the early GS’s have had the abs deleted. This is because on a few occasions the brakes failed completely. If you go on the forums it will confirm this. As for the slow speed handling, it takes a bit of getting used to if you’re not used to a tall bike. The thing I would most advise to get is a Booster Plug. This little box of tricks fools the fuel injection system to richen the mixture. This gives a much smoother tick over and improves the acceleration. You will not be disappointed if you bite the bullet and get one. I love mine. Hope this helps. Regards Brian.
@@epexlinux Hi, I have an old 2004 r1200gs and I would highly recommend them. Lot of bike for the money. Low speed handling is a doddle, even 2-up with luggage as the engine weight is so low and wide. I use quite a bit of back brake but it’s very linear and not grabby, so just smoothes slow control out. The weight disappears once it’s moving. They really hussle if you push on. Top tip is to stay in the same gear, the torque will pull you out of bends. And maybe fit a different screen. I use a Givi airflow. All the best
i used to have an 1150 adventure ,5,7" and 29 inside leg it were interesting looking for a kerb to stop next to at traffic lights but i were impressed with the build of it
I just picked up a 2005 with 40k miles for under £2k. It does have tatty paintwork in places but, as said, I’m not going to worry about dropping it off-road. Made up with the bike and enjoyed the video - thanks.
great review on the older GS Andy i would have without any hesitation today i had one years ago just have not got the funds at the moment otherwise there would be one in my garage .
I have a 2005 R1200GS and have put 178,000 trouble free miles on it. Have never touched the motor or transmission other than valve adjustments and fluid changes. OH did put two sets of spark plugs in it. Just as much fun to ride today as when new and would take it anywhere at the drop of a hat
Bought a 2008 recently coming from a Himalayan it is a lot more bike , surprised me how easy it can be flicked about on bends , enjoying the power and overtaking with out planning too much , but the slow speed balance gets me , such as pulling out from a tight T junction , it just flops over but does not give in to gravity so I do not have to do gymnastics to remain upright , anybody can ride a bike when rolling at speed but the skill is in the slow stuff , and it makes this easy .got to say I am pretty happy with it .
Cracking review TMF. Does make we cringe when I go back out on my 65 plate 12GS and think…..”why did BMW make a Speedo worse?”. Nice to be able to see the numbers on the older one. I know it’s mostly on condition but my bike is like new (6k miles) has the full TE spec, mint condition and probably worth only £3k more than that one! I guess it means not a lot of depreciation to be had if looked after and serviced well. No plans to sell mine, much like your bike…..it really does things so well…..the only thing I wish was I could get clutch less down shifts sorted in the way upshifts are so go. Stay safe and well 👍
One thing to keep in mind with older R1200GS is to avoid ones with servo abs brakes. Same system was used on some R1150 bikes and most early R1200GS and RT. System was discontinued in 2006 on all R1200 bikes. It was silly idea to introduce electric pump to boost brake force on the lever and pedal !! Entire system was very sensitive to contaminated brake fluid and it was difficult to flush. When it failed price to fix was just too high. In the end BMW discontinued it saying it wasn't compatible with traction control introduced on 2007 and later bikes. Sure ! 😃
I bought a 2007 R1200R last year, it’s absolutely fantastic, it’s a little quirky in the looks department but more than makes up for that in every other way, besides, when I am riding it, I can’t look at it. I did start off looking at the GS but noticed the R was not only a cheaper option but many had lower mileage.
@@mmaaddict78 It has a rattle but I think it’s the headlamp trim, there is a bit of noise from the clutch when it’s stationary but that goes when I pull the clutch lever, I had an Aprillia that did that so I am not concerned about it. My bike has about 12k miles, 9k when I bought it so maybe they rattle with age but then it’s an air cooled engine with no sound dampening water jackets on it.
@@BC-px5hl The rattle noise comes from the clutch slave cylinder. I’m swapping it out next week on my R12R. I just came back from a 20k winter tour via the Canary Islands. I bought it 4 years ago after almost 25 years of no riding at all. Luving it ☺️
Thanks for another great review. I am a current long term owner of the same model GS, having owned it for 12 years now. It now has 212000 km on it and still runs as it did at 30000km when I first bought it. Happy to say no major problems. The engine is actually air/ oil cooled, the oil cooler located below the headlight, hence the function of the beak to direct airflow. I have had many adventures with my old GS, and It has been ridden as it was designed for, including all over Australia, up Big Red sand dune at Birdsville, and most recently, along Rainbow Beach near Noosa. It's still a very capable old adventure tourer, (420k to a tank), but don't get me wrong, I'd love a new one! I enjoyed that review very much. Cheers! All the best, Grant. 🍻😁👍
@@mech5422 You probably have a dirty fuel filter. A dirty fuel filter makes the fuel circulation to slow for the pump that brings the fuel in the right half of the tank over to the left side to work. So you got some liters in the right half that you cant use. If you everv run dry you can just lay the bike down on the left side and you have fuel for some 40-50 km more :)
Thanks, just to verify that, it does actually acheive that mileage. With it's 20 litre tank it averages 4.5 litres/100km, run on 95 octane fuel. ( 20 / 4.5 × 100 = 444.44km ). I have never run it dry of course, but has been physically tested over many far off adventures where I had to rely on those figures. The fuel pump was replaced under warranty due to a leaking mounting flange, but other than that, no major issues. I have always maintained the the bike myself, being an aircraft engineer, and I believe the maintenance on a bike is as critical as an aircraft. Valve clearance adjustments are on only a ten minute job on this bike. It is ultra reliable, versatile and easy to live with. I guess that's why I've had it for so long. Cheers, Grant. 🍻
That's a nice amount of KM's on your bike! I've purchased a GSA from 2011 myself, so not exactly the same bike but close enough. Right now it has 114000km and with the amount of KM's I make I want to get to 200000 in a few years (around 20k a year). You've got any tips to maintain these GS's? Thanks!
I clearly passed the pausing skills test. Your channel summary and rules of engagement are spot on. Do I get a prize? 😜Always enjoy watching your reviews. Could be tempted by the older gen GS…
Jip. Great bike. I have a 2007 model with 49 000km on it and I love it. It is a basic bike compared to the newer ones, but it was my choice to get this as I venture in to the remote parts of Lappland and would like to fix problems out in the wild and ride the bike home instead of paying for helicopter rescue missions... At 100 horsepower it is plenty adequate for my needs, and even enough to lose your license. I will keep mine until it cannot be fixed anymore, and then look for another.air cooled GS, but by the looks of it, Ill be riding this one till I can't be fixed anymore :)
had 7 gs's from 2006, no doubt the quality fit and finish went down in 2013, best model 2010 twin cam imo, fit some wilber, ohlins shocks and your sorted
I have a 2009 GS and went to ride a 2018 model at the local shop I saw for sale. I actually like my 2009 better as I think it has a bit more leg room and the newer GS seemed to have lost something. I have to say the newer one was very nice and I enjoyed the ride, I think I just prefer some of the things you referred to as character on the older models, and I absolutely like the gearbox better on my '09. I am 6' 4" tall and I did notice the newer models do seem a bit lower although not a whole lot, we all know just an inch on a bike can make a difference lol. Overall I think for bigger guys the older models have a slight edge for overall size and leg room and as for power I didn't think 2018 had much of an advantage over the '09. I will probably upgrade to the 1250GS in a couple of years once the used market has a few more. Probably the number one thing I feel newcomers to a GS should do is look at cared-for used models over new models, you can save several thousand dollars and still get a bike that has barely been ridden.
As below! I appreciate you reviewing the older bikes. For me this is probably the best bike as I am a large man and am not loaded with money. Many thanks indeed.
I've got that exact model myself, your wrong about the electronics on this model, it does have a canbus system on it, so it's more complicated than you realise. Also something you didn't mention is that the clutch on this model is a car type diaphragm design, unlike the multi plate wet clutch on the newer water cooled engines. They are a real pain to change on this model, because the gearbox has to come put to gain access to it. Basically the whole backend of the bike has to come apart, splitting the bike in half. The newer water-cooled engines a much easier to change the clutch as its located at the front of the engine. Also I should add that this model is prone to brake pump failure, its a very bad design. Mine failed while I was riding due to a back-light short circuit, I lost 80% of my braking efficiently. Not good on a bike of this size and weight. BMW redesigned the braking system when they realised how bad this one was. You can also bypass the brake pump if it fails. Motorworks do a kit for it. Much cheaper than replacing the expensive pump. My bike had 49,000 miles on it when bought it. I've done 25,000 miles on it, and it's been reasonably reliable. I've had a few electrical problems, like the brake pump failure, ignition stick coils have burned out. Gearshift potentiometer plays up sometimes. Clutch switch failure.
My brother has the 2006 GSA.He will not replace it.Never misses a beat.Still the old dry clutch(Expensive to replace) also non multi valve heads.They go for ever.Cheers.
I had the 2007 model, and have recently taken delivery of a new 1250 GSA. Of course there are a raft of differences, but what I want to get off my chest is that I hate the indicator button of the new bike. I much prefer the older system. On the new one I would often find that the switch hasn't been activated...but since it's a BMW, I guess fellow road users are not completely surprised by it. Ha ha!
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Your reviews on the older bikes are much appreciated. For me, new bike price tags are way out of my reach. Many thanks.
I second that most of us can't afford a brand new bike as they are a hobby. These older bike reviews are amazing
My pleasure - glad you like ‘em
I think most new bikes are sold with pcp in mind. Seems nobody really cares about the rrp, more the monthly cost
Agreed, love new bikes but the price of them are well out of reach, unfortunately I think motorcycle manufacturers are now making more of a rich man’s toy rather than a working man’s form of transportation. Maybe that’s why royal Enfield are doing so well as they seem to be making good bikes at at value??
Yes I have a 97 vfr750. Looking a a really nice tdm 850 soon
I`m a German. I own a 2004 R 1200 GS. Still very reliable and in a proper shape after 80.000 km. I don`t miss more power.
Good to see this video....I purchased my GSA1200 from new. It's now on 148,000 Miles I wouldn't sell it ❤
Nice 👍
I absolutely love my 07 gs … got 110,000 miles and not going to get rid of it till I can’t source parts or I hit 250,000 miles. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I am 45, to me that is better than a new bike. thanks for the review!
No problem!
I bought my R1200 G/S new in 2007. With 62,000 miles on the clock, it runs as good as the day I bought it. I have done all my own service, both minor (at 4,500 miles) and major (at 12,000 miles). Still on the original clutch. It may be needing replacement in another 10,000 miles. Replaced the factory shocks at 19,000 miles with Wilber’s,rebuilt those at 59,000 miles. I can’t see replacing this bike until it gives up the ghost. Don’t see that happening anytime soon though.
You did a very nice review on these older machines.
Great to hear and thank you for the kind comment!
Just saw this - I’ve got an identical ‘05 GS in the same metallic dark blue! I also ride with just the top case unless on a tour. These were a huge leap over the prior gen R1150GS - LOST 66Lbs!! Plus new everything else, cockpit, adjustable screen, USB charging, those expandable cases, and a sportier exhaust!
Mine was upgraded by original owner to Öhlins suspension which is the magic carpet ride and great
Control.
The ABS brakes work great and the front applies also to the rear.
I just changed out the battery to Lithium Ion so lost another 10lbs geez. I really love mine with amber riding lights and Heidenau Scouts she has some nice turn in!
Peace all see ya on the trail! 👌🏼
@@Porsche996driver what about the servo brakes?
Just goes to prove that you don’t have to spend a lot of money to own one of the best motorcycles ever produced. Great review!
I Brought the exact model and Colour in 2005 and still have it after 18 years and love it. I has Been made to meet my travel needs over the years .
It's great when you find a bike like that isn't it - I feel the same way about my ol' GS....
These used bike reviews are brilliant Andy, I have an 09 BMW that I paid a little over 2k for last year and love it. It's not perfect in terms of condition, but that is part of the appeal, when I had a new bike I was far too precious about using it in all weathers and mileage etc. with a used bike I find myself far more likely to put it to use.
Yes very good point!
An honest review. Mine is from 2008. Its all you said.
I got a 1993 R1100rs in 2001 with 20000 miles for $6000. I rode it as my only motorcycle for 19 years. Replaced the clutch at about 30000 miles (the first year 4-valve boxers had clutch issues). Other than that it was just routine maintenance. At the time I couldn't have afforded to ride anything else, nearly two decades with no repairs. 5 years ago I bent a wheel and that cost a small fortune to replace, BMW made them to bend not break, and they are increasingly unavailable. I'm still a guy with only one bike, I'd be the old man on a KTM rc390! As an old friend once said, "beware of the man with only one gun, because he'll know how to use it!" Thanks Mr Flyer, your review helped me decide to get the KTM giggle machine!
I love that quote!
I continue to choose minimal electronics over the modern plethora of ride modes; I’m at a time of life when I could afford the latest and best, but give me a quality retro over techno every time.
Great review Andy 👍.
Quality is timeless and I don't think the BMW engineers spend enough saddle time!
I like the Transair headset bag in the back. I use mine as a lunchbag for work! Pilot here too, albeit out of hours after the covid thing. Looking seriously at these 1200GS's so this video is really useful. Thanks!
Glad to help!
Nice to see older bike reviews, so much nicer to actually own it rather than PCP
Great video. I have an 08 GSA that I bought in 2010, sold it in 2018 then bought it back last year. Spent the winter doing a deep clean and refurb on it then MOT'd it last month. As soon as I rode it I knew that the R1200GS LC I had was no longer required so I sold it last week. The GSA now has 73K miles on it and rides like its almost new. Lovely bikes.
Hello Mr. Flyer. As an owner of a 2012 GSA, I found your review to be on point. My bike has the 110hp oil cooled engine, and when riding alone I’ve never felt the need for more power. (stop light challenges with friends, the extra hp is missed). I’ve got 40K miles on mine, I’ve ridden across North America twice (I live near Detroit), and I still love the bike. The one thing that would get me to go newer would be a cruise control.. thanks again.
i used to have a 2007 model, and after 70.000 km without problems ( i solf it with 120.000 km because was second hand), i jumped to my actuall 2010 model, wich feels basically as the 2007 model, but with more torque on low revs and more power at high rpm. just what i was looking for. now is 73.000 km and just changed their shock absorbers for a pair of ohlins, and no plan to change it in the near future.
no mechanical problems and few electronic to be worried . for me one of the best bikes to travel around.
my 2007 cost me only 5700 euros and after 4 years, i can sold it for 5000. the new one, i payed 8700 euros because is a desired model in europe, but much less than the around 23000 of a new 1250 model, depending on extras.
But he wants a cruise control. No one answered. Yes, you really will LOVE it!…… My 2016/7 GS has one & it’s f…….g perfect.
cruise control is very useful in long trips, it´s a pity that air model d´ont have it. anyway, you always can install a "mechanical cruise control" that will help. for example the one from WUNDERLICH, i have it and is helpful@@markhpluygers2226
It will still do a 12 second 1/4 but today's bikes are unreal.
I recently bought a 2010 30th anniversary GS with 130.000 Km, from it's 1st owner, as my 2nd bike (mostly for 2up riding and holidays). It's also the air-cooled (DOHC though) and still running good, no issues . Nice to see your review therefore and compare it with my own recent experiences on this older GS.
A bike I had in the '80s was the Kawasaki GPz900r (the 'Top Gun' bike). I would love to see you do a review on that.
I owned a mid-90s GS and that motorcycle never gave me any issues. It is one of the bikes I wish I still owned. Love your review of older bikes. They bring back many fond memories!
Good to hear!
Just bought a 58 with 40k on it. Fantastic! Really happy with her.
I like catch phrases. And my ability to pause is outstanding. Thanks for doing what you do.
My pleasure and we’ll done!
I really do appreciate the reviews on the older bikes, especially when compared to the newer rides. These older bikes have such a raw feel, and still have a lot of performance
Couldn’t agree more!
My 2006 1200 GS adventure which I bought new has been the best bike I’ve ever owned and ridden. Used for everything it was designed for, touring, trails, commuting, a couple of track days and even a bit of instructing, just a brilliant bike. Fully loaded with the ally boxes, a tank bag and a few Nippy Norman farkles, it felt like you could ride around the world. Sold a few years ago with 45k miles on the clock to its new owner who still has it. Charlie and Ewan have a lot to answer for 😄
I bought a 2007 35k mileage 1200GS and love it. Does absolutely everything with real character. Got a Remus Evolution on the bike, sounds superb.
Great comparison review between the old and new GS's, I appreciate it as I am thinking of getting into a GS in this age group, currently have the 03 R1150R rockster edition 80 and am impressed with the older one's at this point, as my confidence with the brand grows may plump for a newish one, always been an in line 4 fanboy but am unpressed so far
Hola Flyer, there was a indeed lower seat for that model and there's plenty of them still around new and second hand, the very early R1200GS (2004-2007) offered ABS and ASC as an option, from 2008 (same engine as he 2007 but slightly diff looks) ABS became standard while ASC and ESA remained optional, 2009 models were the first to be powered by the twin cam engine (the black spark plug/coil cover was/is vertical instead of horizontal as on this one) and the engine produced 110 BHP. 2008 and on models had slightly different electronics (made the installation of the optional fog lights a matter of plug an play) but other than that the model remained the same until the liquid cooled ones came out. Very nice and forgiving bike, for those out there looking at buying one make sure all the lights on the dash lit up (ABS/ASC) upon twisting the key and disappear when you start moving, take the bike for a spin and make sure both ABS and ASC can be switched off and back on (be gentle until the bike is yours) and request proof that the ring antenna and the fuel pump controller have been replaced by BMW and install crash bars (if not already fitted) to protect your engine in case you drop it. Then put some gas in the tank and enjoy.
The engine is partially liquid cooled as it is air/oil cooled - hence the term Oilhead. They are great bikes that will go on for many years if properly maintained. As far as the gearbox goes, the one on my 2004 Oilhead is as slick as any Japanese bike, and I can make clutchless changes up and down the box if I get the revs right. The other advantage of Oilheads from earlier years, is the quality of the finish, compared to later bikes - prior to the introduction of water based paints.
Fast becoming my favourite type of TMF videos....
Glad you like them!
I have the 2014 Model also. Always wondered about the older GS's. Thanks for the review Flyer!
My pleasure!
Just bought a 2009 GS Se... To go alongside my Harley davidson 48.... Love it, so smooth and easy to ride....
Great review. I have that exact bike. I love it. Funnily enough the indicators are the main thing that put me off the newer bikes! Really love these reviews of the older kit; top work, sir!
Cheers!
Great to see this video. I recently picked up a 2004 model with 77k miles on it. 1 owner from new, full luggage and lots of touratech goodies. Just over £2100. Can't go wrong really. Minimal corrosion too!
Literally just picked up a 2009 R1200GS two days ago, 3 hour ride home in the dark and wet and it didn't miss a beat! Can't wait to get out on it more and setup some longer trips.
How much do they go for?
I recently bought an 08 after owning sports bikes pretty much exclusively. I must say I'm surprised at how light and nimble it feels when it's moving but it is a bugger to push around so thought is needed when parking.
I would say I'm definitely a GS convert, it goes well, stops well and is comfortable over long distances which is good as I bought it to tour around Europe.
My experience riding 2005 R1200GS and R1200R at a 2005 rally. I fell in love with the boxer engine in both bikes. For me, the R1200R was slightly sharper in the corners, but the GS was far more comfortable for any distance. A few years later I was able to even ride a used 2005 R1200RT, but it had some engine issues so I can’t fault the platform. I would love to try out some newer versions, as long as they’re boxers.
Yeah the R1200R naked bikes are much different at high speeds. The GS larger 19” wheel doesn’t flick quite fast as the 17” front on the R bike.
Thank you for this . As a fairly new rider who lives in London ( making insurance ridiculous ) these kind of bikes are much more realistic , and it’s good to hear what you’re potentially missing out on. I’ve just bought a 2013 R1200R fo this reason. Love the boxers ! Cheers
Enjoy!
Had the same model in red for over ten years,loved that bike,and it’s still going according to the DVLA,thanks for the review.
Andy you now have me looking at a gs 1200 always loved the look think they have sold the one you have ridden looked a clean bike they have a 2006 with very low mileage mmmmmmmmm
i had a 2009 gs, and apart from the horrendous clunk into first gear, was way and above the 2017 i got with the excellent electronics and stuff. If one could be emotional about it, it had a soul that made you want to ride. the later one, though an incredible bike, after the initial enthusiasm, really left me cold, and it sat in the garage for to long. Now on AT, not saying that's the answer, but my grin is back. Thanks for an interesting review.
I absolutely agree with you, I rode a 2018 and I kept my 2009. On the 2018 model, I felt like it was a good bike but lost the feel I love on my 2009. I felt a bit disconnected if that makes sense. My 2009 also has more leg room and I thought all the electronics were just not needed. I have been on bikes for over 35 years though and I think newer riders just don't understand the different souls and characters that more mechanical bikes have.
I had a 2010 R1200GS, sold it to get ready for retirement. Loved the bike. I’m of the mind the more electronics the more expensive it’ll be to repair(we had a Mercedes SL550 a couple of years ago) and I like simplicity. Currently have a 2001 F650GS, 2012 Harley ElectraGlide and a new to me 2011 Kawasaki Concours14. Older bikes are most times half price and just as much fun as a new one. Love em!
Me too
Very helpful review. Older bike reviews is a fantastic idea. Much appreciated.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I like you "point 6", it took me a few attempts to pause the screen but got it in the end.
Well done Julian!
Thanks for the review. I have the 2009 model with longer Ohlins Adventure shocks, wire wheels, knobbly tires and it gets thrashed around the steep and often rough gravel backroads of New Zealand. It’s probably still the best ‘proper’ adventure bike around. Wife goes on the back for summer touring (with road tires) and the bike has plenty of power for a fully loaded journey. I put on the bikini fairing and remove the rear hand holds and rear box racks and its ready for the next nasty trip. Currently have 157000km on it continues to purr. What would I replace it with to do everything I do without taking on a small mortgage? I recently replaced the clutch again, which is a big job but doesn’t require special equipment, and I also had the final drive rebuilt at 140000km. Also, by todays standards, it’s not actually that heavy. My 2 cents worth - buy one (after 2008) and you won’t regret it :)
Funny how things change as that is about the same weight as a Yamaha T700. I have two modern bikes but often think about getting a analog bike. I survived riding many years without all the new electronics which I now love!
The modern ones are significantly heavier than the 2006. Water cooled bikes always are. Plus all the extra electronics. The original 1200 was considered a bit of a miracle when first released, due to its relative light weight.
I have a beautiful 2005 yellow/gray R1200GS. It has 120000km and I just love it. Not planning to retire it any time soon.
I have an 05 in red. Got it in 2019 with 1,700 miles on , I'm still breaking it in!
I will never sell mine either!
These used bike reviews are interesting. No euro5 shite and easier/cheaper to service.
Well done mr Flyer!
My favorite channel for bike reviews old and new. Much appreciated.
Thank you!
I remember when this one came out and being so enamored with the bike that while I was drooling over the bike at the Houston Motorcycle show, I ended up selling a brand new one for that year's representing BMW dealership that was attending, even though I wasn't a salesman. The young man who I got into a conversation with about the bike was very receptive to my enthusiasm about what knowledge I had gained about reading everything I could on it asked me if he could buy one from me as he thought I was a salesman. That said, it has aged a bit but I won't forget the effect it had on me at the time. Thanks for the review!
I had some time ago now, the original R80GS, it was a simpler machine and felt a lot less top heavy and weighty than the more modern variants. The gearbox on that was sweet except for enormous clunk into 1st. Never seemed to do it any harm though....
Looks like a great old bike. A friend had an 08 GS a few years ago and I thought it was great too. Good reporting. Thx
No problem 👍
Just bought an 07 in yellow grey with 144000km full bmw serviced. Great Bike
What an absolute mint of a bike for 2006. Great to see older more affordable bikes getting reviews. Look forward to more videos like this
Good to hear - thanks!
Great to see this review of my last bike! Yep - low seat available which I ordered from BMW Germany for my 2006 GS (still got details if anyone needs) which was P/Exed for R nineT - love that this engine lives on in a current model. I prefer the more simplistic lower tech bikes but a fuel gauge would be nice on the R nineT! In some ways wish I still had the GS but nineT is more manageable on the drive etc.
What a timely review, not bonding with my Tiger 800, seriously considering BMW like this one! Thanks. BTW my pausing skills are up to scratch! Cheers.
Nice one Mike - well done!
@@TheMissendenFlyer . Well newsflash, I bought a 2006 BMW 1200GS Clunk-O-Matic with 36K on the clock. A magnificent machine indeed, that does however require relearning gear change techniques. As my slightly irreverent model description implies, it has a very clunky gear change,1st 2nd and 3rd. Hints of a transmission Apocalypse! To quell my fears I have joined a 12OO GS owners group and sure enough nearly all 1200GS suffer from this malaise to some degree or another. It seems assertive preloaded shifting and a gearbox oil change helps to make gear changing a little less daunting! So it appears Mr Flyer you rode a unicorn of a 1200GS or more likely, you are a very skilled rider! Thanks for all your work. Love it. Cheers.
I have a 09 R1200gs. Bought it when she had 12050 miles. Have about 33500 on it now and I love it. Will never sell. 19 day trip is the longest time I've been in the saddle. True air head.
Thanks for this particular video, I've been considering buying a GS for a while and you've made up my mind.
I purchased a 2006 R1200GS last Friday.
Picking it up this week.
The bike come complete with the genuine BMW luggage.
Can't wait to get out touring on it.
Congratulations!
Bit of an update on the GS.
I downsized from a multistrada 1200 to a Versys 650 due to weight handling off stand etc.
Although the GS is slightly heavier than the Versys (5kg) it feels lighter on the ride.
The motorway cruising speed is a revelation around 4,000rpm against the Versys 5,600rpm makes distance rides less stressful and far more relaxing.
I'm fast becoming a BMW fan.
I still use my 2007 GS 1200 as my daily rider to work and I love it the only complaints are the first gear is too high and the sixth gear too low, I'm always looking for the seventh gear. I still get positive comments on the bike as this is the nicest bike they've seen.
47 thousand miles, only issue worn slave cylinder and had to replace one coil :)
Not bad after 47k!
Great review. Love this used bike reviews. Keep up the good work, thank you. These GS's give much fun for your money. Gr from Rotterdam
Cheers Frans!
My first ride on a GS was on my mates 2010 twin cam. Not unpleasant and I acknowledge it takes a bit of getting used to after a VFR800. I would not have bought one, though. Fast forward 10 years and I've had three GSs, all LCs, including the 1250. My first 2016 LC was so different from the 2010 twin cam.
Great Video, i had two R 1100 GS with a lot more then 100.000 km….no problem with the air cooled engine. Now i bought my new old R 1200 GS from 2008 with 55Tkm…Great bikes and theylast nearly forever…
Andy, great review as ever. I bought an RT over the GS in 2005 being better value for money but was wooed by a 2008 GSA. The later twin cam engine didn’t add enough for me to change but the LC was a game changer and so much better. I’ve has a GS then a GSA. It felt alive and connected which the earlier 1200 just didn’t for me. The instruments are far too hard to read and this was carried over. Should you try to read the km section you’d need way better eyesight than I had then or do now. These older bikes, though, have a charm and are more solid with better low down grunt. Keep up the good work!
Looks like that bike is suffering the same problem as the 1150s -- the sidestand pivot flogs out, causing the bike to lean over too far. This also makes it heavy to get off the sidestand. A lovely looking example, though. Great review!👍
Just purchased a 2007 GS Standard exactly like this w/20k mi and I will concur with everything said in this video. A completely capable bike even by today's standards. I ride with 2 guys who both own much newer bikes and can match whatever they're up to. Plus, I will also point out the virtue of simplicity and ease of maintenance as a distinct benefit of an older GS.
Glad we agree!
Always great reviews Andy, I still have my 2007 since new. Love the bike . Never give any major problems just a regular oil change and tune up needed. Keep the work
Please review 1150 GS!
Love these vids keep up the good work 👍
Thanks! Will do!
The main thing to look out for on this particular year is the servo assisted ABS. It can be a real pain if anything goes wrong in that system.
Yes several have mentioned that…
Very simple to remove the ABS servo unit and convert brakes to conventional non-ABS.
@@Mieke3133 how simple?
@@roadwarrior8560 you just make a little Loop where the Master Cylinders go into the ABS,?and hook it to the outgoing from the ABS to the Brakes. It only takes about a 3” piece of Tubing and Fittings.
Just adding my thumbs up for the older bike reviews. I'm going to the Superbike Factory for sure next time I'm in UK.
Mine was older than that - a 2002 R1150GS (but just 2 years old when I bought it) that I rode from Cheshire to the Sahara and back, and a lot around Europe, down into Italy etc. It was excellent for trips likes that, handling fast motorway blasts as well as Moroccan dirt roads. It was a tad tall for me so once I'd hung up my long distance touring boots I sold it. But it held great memories for me and I think, with its distinctive ' Patrick Moor' monocle-look round headlights was more characterful than the the later 1200 you ride here. But they really are great bikes!
Wow what a great memory!
I have a 2009 model, it drives well but the fuel sender is junk, the rubber sleeves on the cardan shaft are becoming porous and the trick clutch jerks and stinks when under load (stop and go on a hill). Greetings Edward
For me that’s a review of a very modern bike. I’m riding a 1999 r1100r and love it. Over 100k on the odometer, been all over Europe, including a fantastic run from Sicily to France. Aiming to follow in your tracks and do a ride to Nordkapp next year.
Nice one!
Thank you for noticing my pausing skills. 😂 good Chanel, love your content. The best one here in my opinion. Love from sweden.
Thank you Stefan - appreciate your support!
With the current crises of rising prices , this video of older bikes is needed and appreciated. Maybe you could do more second hand bike reviews.
I will be!
I’ve owned a 2008 model for around 2 years - 59000 miles on it and increasing.
Great bike - indicator set up is a bit painful I’m constantly indicating right while trying to cancel the right one.
Currently using it for my advanced motorcycle course - Great Fun 😎
Good luck with it Derek!
Thanks again Andy for a great review. I recently purchased an immaculate yellow 2006 with service history and full BMW pannier’s and top box for £4950! I absolutely love it. If anyone is out there who wants a bike that will make them smile and do basically do anything a modern £20k adventure bike will do, look no further.
I agree that it is a bit tall and heavy but you soon get used to it. That also goes for the indicator set up, what were they thinking?
I recognize the roads in this video as I’m originally from Tring. The old boys and I did a circular loop through the Chilterns last weekend. Fabulous area for motorcycling. Perhaps we’ll meet out on the road sometime.
Keep up the good work.
Looking forward to the next review.
Cheers Brian!
Hi Brian, does it have abs and what's it like at slow speeds handling wise? Am thinking of getting one.
@@epexlinux Hi. Most of the early GS’s have had the abs deleted. This is because on a few occasions the brakes failed completely. If you go on the forums it will confirm this. As for the slow speed handling, it takes a bit of getting used to if you’re not used to a tall bike. The thing I would most advise to get is a Booster Plug. This little box of tricks fools the fuel injection system to richen the mixture. This gives a much smoother tick over and improves the acceleration.
You will not be disappointed if you bite the bullet and get one. I love mine.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Brian.
@@epexlinux Hi, I have an old 2004 r1200gs and I would highly recommend them. Lot of bike for the money. Low speed handling is a doddle, even 2-up with luggage as the engine weight is so low and wide. I use quite a bit of back brake but it’s very linear and not grabby, so just smoothes slow control out. The weight disappears once it’s moving. They really hussle if you push on. Top tip is to stay in the same gear, the torque will pull you out of bends. And maybe fit a different screen. I use a Givi airflow. All the best
@@niallmcmenamin7368 Thanks Niall am now pretty sold. Do they come with abs do you know?
i used to have an 1150 adventure ,5,7" and 29 inside leg it were interesting looking for a kerb to stop next to at traffic lights but i were impressed with the build of it
I like it. It grows on you with time. Another ace review mate.
Thank you - appreciate you watching!
I just picked up a 2005 with 40k miles for under £2k. It does have tatty paintwork in places but, as said, I’m not going to worry about dropping it off-road. Made up with the bike and enjoyed the video - thanks.
Cool, great find and good choice!
16 years old and still unmistakably a GS with its looks!
“The small print” 😂 love your work, keep it up!!!
great review on the older GS Andy i would have without any hesitation today i had one years ago just have not got the funds at the moment otherwise there would be one in my garage .
Great review Missendenflyer, I'm looking forward to your Fazer 600/1000 review!
I have a 2005 R1200GS and have put 178,000 trouble free miles on it. Have never touched the motor or transmission other than valve adjustments and fluid changes. OH did put two sets of spark plugs in it. Just as much fun to ride today as when new and would take it anywhere at the drop of a hat
Bought a 2008 recently coming from a Himalayan it is a lot more bike , surprised me how easy it can be flicked about on bends , enjoying the power and overtaking with out planning too much , but the slow speed balance gets me , such as pulling out from a tight T junction , it just flops over but does not give in to gravity so I do not have to do gymnastics to remain upright , anybody can ride a bike when rolling at speed but the skill is in the slow stuff , and it makes this easy .got to say I am pretty happy with it .
Cracking review TMF. Does make we cringe when I go back out on my 65 plate 12GS and think…..”why did BMW make a Speedo worse?”. Nice to be able to see the numbers on the older one.
I know it’s mostly on condition but my bike is like new (6k miles) has the full TE spec, mint condition and probably worth only £3k more than that one!
I guess it means not a lot of depreciation to be had if looked after and serviced well. No plans to sell mine, much like your bike…..it really does things so well…..the only thing I wish was I could get clutch less down shifts sorted in the way upshifts are so go.
Stay safe and well 👍
Glad to see you enjoying some pre-loved beauties. The
I bought a 1996 r1100gs 3 years ago with 125000 miles. I love it I’ve got a 131000 on it now. My brothers both have older GS’s as well.
Cool!
One thing to keep in mind with older R1200GS is to avoid ones with servo abs brakes. Same system was used on some R1150 bikes and most early R1200GS and RT. System was discontinued in 2006 on all R1200 bikes. It was silly idea to introduce electric pump to boost brake force on the lever and pedal !! Entire system was very sensitive to contaminated brake fluid and it was difficult to flush. When it failed price to fix was just too high. In the end BMW discontinued it saying it wasn't compatible with traction control introduced on 2007 and later bikes. Sure ! 😃
I remember why I bought the non abs version - sometimes I questioned that- 16 years later😀. I recall the hand wringing posts on adv rider!
I bought a 2007 R1200R last year, it’s absolutely fantastic, it’s a little quirky in the looks department but more than makes up for that in every other way, besides, when I am riding it, I can’t look at it. I did start off looking at the GS but noticed the R was not only a cheaper option but many had lower mileage.
I have an 07 GS. I wonder if the engine on your bike rattles as much as mine does lol. Even after adjusting the valves, she’s still a rattling beast.
@@mmaaddict78 It has a rattle but I think it’s the headlamp trim, there is a bit of noise from the clutch when it’s stationary but that goes when I pull the clutch lever, I had an Aprillia that did that so I am not concerned about it. My bike has about 12k miles, 9k when I bought it so maybe they rattle with age but then it’s an air cooled engine with no sound dampening water jackets on it.
@@BC-px5hl The rattle noise comes from the clutch slave cylinder. I’m swapping it out next week on my R12R. I just came back from a 20k winter tour via the Canary Islands. I bought it 4 years ago after almost 25 years of no riding at all. Luving it ☺️
@@tubemeikel Thanks for the info, I ride mine to work and back most days unless there is ice or snow, it’s brilliant and I wish I had got one sooner.
Thanks for another great review. I am a current long term owner of the same model GS, having owned it for 12 years now. It now has 212000 km on it and still runs as it did at 30000km when I first bought it. Happy to say no major problems. The engine is actually air/ oil cooled, the oil cooler located below the headlight, hence the function of the beak to direct airflow. I have had many adventures with my old GS, and It has been ridden as it was designed for, including all over Australia, up Big Red sand dune at Birdsville, and most recently, along Rainbow Beach near Noosa.
It's still a very capable old adventure tourer, (420k to a tank), but don't get me wrong, I'd love a new one!
I enjoyed that review very much.
Cheers! All the best,
Grant. 🍻😁👍
Thanks for watching Grant!
Nice to hear that! I bought mine gs(2010 30th anniversary not adv) just a year ago but I never managed to do over 320km on a full tank
@@mech5422 You probably have a dirty fuel filter. A dirty fuel filter makes the fuel circulation to slow for the pump that brings the fuel in the right half of the tank over to the left side to work. So you got some liters in the right half that you cant use. If you everv run dry you can just lay the bike down on the left side and you have fuel for some 40-50 km more :)
Thanks, just to verify that, it does actually acheive that mileage. With it's 20 litre tank it averages 4.5 litres/100km, run on 95 octane fuel. ( 20 / 4.5 × 100 = 444.44km ). I have never run it dry of course, but has been physically tested over many far off adventures where I had to rely on those figures. The fuel pump was replaced under warranty due to a leaking mounting flange, but other than that, no major issues. I have always maintained the the bike myself, being an aircraft engineer, and I believe the maintenance on a bike is as critical as an aircraft. Valve clearance adjustments are on only a ten minute job on this bike. It is ultra reliable, versatile and easy to live with. I guess that's why I've had it for so long.
Cheers, Grant. 🍻
That's a nice amount of KM's on your bike! I've purchased a GSA from 2011 myself, so not exactly the same bike but close enough. Right now it has 114000km and with the amount of KM's I make I want to get to 200000 in a few years (around 20k a year). You've got any tips to maintain these GS's? Thanks!
May be buying my first GS this weekend. Thanks for the review
I clearly passed the pausing skills test. Your channel summary and rules of engagement are spot on. Do I get a prize? 😜Always enjoy watching your reviews. Could be tempted by the older gen GS…
Well done, good work!
Jip.
Great bike. I have a 2007 model with 49 000km on it and I love it. It is a basic bike compared to the newer ones, but it was my choice to get this as I venture in to the remote parts of Lappland and would like to fix problems out in the wild and ride the bike home instead of paying for helicopter rescue missions...
At 100 horsepower it is plenty adequate for my needs, and even enough to lose your license.
I will keep mine until it cannot be fixed anymore, and then look for another.air cooled GS, but by the looks of it, Ill be riding this one till I can't be fixed anymore :)
I like your style!
had 7 gs's from 2006, no doubt the quality fit and finish went down in 2013, best model 2010 twin cam imo, fit some wilber, ohlins shocks and your sorted
I have a 2009 GS and went to ride a 2018 model at the local shop I saw for sale. I actually like my 2009 better as I think it has a bit more leg room and the newer GS seemed to have lost something. I have to say the newer one was very nice and I enjoyed the ride, I think I just prefer some of the things you referred to as character on the older models, and I absolutely like the gearbox better on my '09. I am 6' 4" tall and I did notice the newer models do seem a bit lower although not a whole lot, we all know just an inch on a bike can make a difference lol. Overall I think for bigger guys the older models have a slight edge for overall size and leg room and as for power I didn't think 2018 had much of an advantage over the '09. I will probably upgrade to the 1250GS in a couple of years once the used market has a few more. Probably the number one thing I feel newcomers to a GS should do is look at cared-for used models over new models, you can save several thousand dollars and still get a bike that has barely been ridden.
Exactly. I never Buy New. If your Patient, you can find Great Used ones and Save almost Half the New Price.👍
As below! I appreciate you reviewing the older bikes. For me this is probably the best bike as I am a large man and am not loaded with money. Many thanks indeed.
My pleasure!
I've got that exact model myself, your wrong about the electronics on this model, it does have a canbus system on it, so it's more complicated than you realise. Also something you didn't mention is that the clutch on this model is a car type diaphragm design, unlike the multi plate wet clutch on the newer water cooled engines. They are a real pain to change on this model, because the gearbox has to come put to gain access to it. Basically the whole backend of the bike has to come apart, splitting the bike in half. The newer water-cooled engines a much easier to change the clutch as its located at the front of the engine. Also I should add that this model is prone to brake pump failure, its a very bad design. Mine failed while I was riding due to a back-light short circuit, I lost 80% of my braking efficiently. Not good on a bike of this size and weight. BMW redesigned the braking system when they realised how bad this one was. You can also bypass the brake pump if it fails. Motorworks do a kit for it. Much cheaper than replacing the expensive pump. My bike had 49,000 miles on it when bought it. I've done 25,000 miles on it, and it's been reasonably reliable. I've had a few electrical problems, like the brake pump failure, ignition stick coils have burned out. Gearshift potentiometer plays up sometimes. Clutch switch failure.
Thanks for putting me straight Michael - appreciate the feedback...
My brother has the 2006 GSA.He will not replace it.Never misses a beat.Still the old dry clutch(Expensive to replace) also non multi valve heads.They go for ever.Cheers.
Those old “hex head” bikes are solid.
The last of the screw-type valve adjustments.
Great review thanks! That was super helpful... I'm GS shopping now
Glad I could help!
I had the 2007 model, and have recently taken delivery of a new 1250 GSA. Of course there are a raft of differences, but what I want to get off my chest is that I hate the indicator button of the new bike. I much prefer the older system. On the new one I would often find that the switch hasn't been activated...but since it's a BMW, I guess fellow road users are not completely surprised by it. Ha ha!