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@@DrCruel During those period, when Japanese men go to war, they leave their women behind to defend their homes and castles. To think the Japanese women back then, especially the nobles, cannot fight is probably the most American thing here.
@@kalzaz When japanese men go to war, they leave their women behind to defend their homes and castles against... other japanese men. Lol. If japanese women can fight - why dont take them to war? If they cant fight against men in war - how they can defend their homes against same men?
@@downunderrobwhy she is dishonoured? to note, when her father be traitor, mariko alredy merried buntaro, so mariko more related to Buntaro rather than his father by that time, but she rather chose to abadon her husband n her son,,
This is why fw Bontaro over Mariko. She thought the man was worthless trash and beneath her before she even kinda knew him. All because she thought he was a downgrade beneath her station...
I'm curious how realistic that scene is. They are sparring with real blades and no armor after all. Would it really happen that way ? In other pieces of media, you always see wooden (bokken, iirc) or bamboo swords for sword training in dojos, etc, so I assumed it would be the same for naginata. Especially with women training. Though perhaps it's more for the later eras and not the 1600s.
@@rp-2fShe had a major duel in the book with the Osaka garrison commander. Both Yabu and another Ishido officer agree that she would’ve killed any lesser swordsman.
Don't know about the book, but Japanese noblewomen of that time period being trained to fight is historically accurate. Their weapon of choice being the Naginata is also accurate.
@@kalzaz Which I don't deny but my only concern is if this is accurate to the character in the book, and so far in my reading, I would say no. Toda Mariko in the Novel is a Lady not a warrior woman, and with what's been presented in the story so far I don't see how such a scenario would logically manifest. I think this portrayl of the character is an invention added by studio madate to meet D.I.E requirements. And they will get away with it because they know very few will go away and read the books to get the true story.
@@AmbiguousMan724 So far, there is only one scene where she actually fought, which was a do-or-die moment when their convoy was ambushed on the way to the port. Given its a do-or-die situation, her fighting back even if she received no training makes sense especially for her character. As for whether she had such training, she is a noble women from a Samurai class, and noble women of that time period frequently join in the defense of their homes and castles during times of war. So her having been trained to fight, based on the time period the book is based on, is highly likely. As I said, I do not know about the book, but as the avid history buff, I see the decision to make her being able to fight competently, quite historically accurate.
@@kalzaz What does the history of the period have to do with the authenticity of the character to the book? Some ladies were warriors in period Japan, Okay, but so far in the story I'm reading that's not the character Clavell wrote; so this rendition of the character is a deliberate departure from the source material. It's relation to the period justifies nothing. To be fair, I will say that I'm only 25% through the book, so we'll see how the narrative and characters develop, but I'm highly doubtful that Mariko is going to turn into a warrior - maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it.
@@AmbiguousMan724 Her knowing how to fight and her being a warrior are completely different things . While you are correct only a few were warriors, most noblewomen from the samurai class were trained how to wield the naginata during that period because it was a survivor skill. So far the TV show did not show her being a warrior in any manner, just her being proficient in the use of the Naginata as most noblewomen should be. I am sure the book also never mention whether certain characters were bearded or not, are you going to call out the TV series for having almost all of them bearded even though no mention was made in the book?
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I always thought of the naginata to be more of a sword with an extended grip than a spear
その認識であっています。
力が弱くても遠心力で斬撃が出来ます。女性にも扱いやすい武器として長く使われました。
この後の時代でも、女性を象徴する武器となります。
To be fair, the blade size is approximately the same as a wakizashi.
The European equivalent would be a glaive.
That's a nagamaki you're talking about.
@@SplendidFactor sa wut?
Beautiful training
Mariko is a warrior goddess
What an unbelievably ridiculous joke. How American.
@@DrCruel During those period, when Japanese men go to war, they leave their women behind to defend their homes and castles. To think the Japanese women back then, especially the nobles, cannot fight is probably the most American thing here.
@@kalzaz When japanese men go to war, they leave their women behind to defend their homes and castles against... other japanese men. Lol. If japanese women can fight - why dont take them to war? If they cant fight against men in war - how they can defend their homes against same men?
@@DrCruel nice bait, eunuch
@@hieuneo7085 Likewise, Weeaboo-sama.
This training ❤
薙刀、NAGINATA sword🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵
What i love the most about this scene is the hairstyles
Bro i totally missed this scene, when tf did this happen??
Same dude
I'm sure her and Buntaro will have a happy marriage.👀
Can anyone tell me the name of the song at the end pls ? 1:46
Blue Eyed Samurai episode 5. Anyone?
Which one was that again?
Ya I remember that naginata scene in Blue Eye Samurai and this one.
The moment Buntaro fell in love with his future wife.
Bustard never loved Mariko. He lasted after her, many Noble's did. But it was a Political Marriage.
Nothing more.
@@downunderrobhe love mariko, it just mariko never love him since begining, n she keep asking to die.
thats why he irritated.
@aryabaditz3967 Incorrect. And Mariko wishes to die because she feels dishonoured.
@@downunderrobwhy she is dishonoured?
to note, when her father be traitor, mariko alredy merried buntaro, so mariko more related to Buntaro rather than his father by that time, but she rather chose to abadon her husband n her son,,
@@downunderrob you should read the official online companion guide to this show
This is why fw Bontaro over Mariko. She thought the man was worthless trash and beneath her before she even kinda knew him. All because she thought he was a downgrade beneath her station...
I'm curious how realistic that scene is. They are sparring with real blades and no armor after all.
Would it really happen that way ? In other pieces of media, you always see wooden (bokken, iirc) or bamboo swords for sword training in dojos, etc, so I assumed it would be the same for naginata. Especially with women training. Though perhaps it's more for the later eras and not the 1600s.
I thought this was rise of the ronin sequel
So they just didn’t read the book or something?
She’s trained with both the Naginata and the sword on the book.
Not like this. They basically make her a dude here@@MorallyDubiousFrog
how about you?
@@MorallyDubiousFrogso shes a better fighter than Blackthorne lol
@@rp-2fShe had a major duel in the book with the Osaka garrison commander. Both Yabu and another Ishido officer agree that she would’ve killed any lesser swordsman.
Is this in the book or is this mandated D.I.E garbage?
Don't know about the book, but Japanese noblewomen of that time period being trained to fight is historically accurate. Their weapon of choice being the Naginata is also accurate.
@@kalzaz Which I don't deny but my only concern is if this is accurate to the character in the book, and so far in my reading, I would say no.
Toda Mariko in the Novel is a Lady not a warrior woman, and with what's been presented in the story so far I don't see how such a scenario would logically manifest. I think this portrayl of the character is an invention added by studio madate to meet D.I.E requirements.
And they will get away with it because they know very few will go away and read the books to get the true story.
@@AmbiguousMan724 So far, there is only one scene where she actually fought, which was a do-or-die moment when their convoy was ambushed on the way to the port. Given its a do-or-die situation, her fighting back even if she received no training makes sense especially for her character. As for whether she had such training, she is a noble women from a Samurai class, and noble women of that time period frequently join in the defense of their homes and castles during times of war. So her having been trained to fight, based on the time period the book is based on, is highly likely. As I said, I do not know about the book, but as the avid history buff, I see the decision to make her being able to fight competently, quite historically accurate.
@@kalzaz What does the history of the period have to do with the authenticity of the character to the book? Some ladies were warriors in period Japan, Okay, but so far in the story I'm reading that's not the character Clavell wrote; so this rendition of the character is a deliberate departure from the source material.
It's relation to the period justifies nothing.
To be fair, I will say that I'm only 25% through the book, so we'll see how the narrative and characters develop, but I'm highly doubtful that Mariko is going to turn into a warrior - maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it.
@@AmbiguousMan724 Her knowing how to fight and her being a warrior are completely different things . While you are correct only a few were warriors, most noblewomen from the samurai class were trained how to wield the naginata during that period because it was a survivor skill.
So far the TV show did not show her being a warrior in any manner, just her being proficient in the use of the Naginata as most noblewomen should be.
I am sure the book also never mention whether certain characters were bearded or not, are you going to call out the TV series for having almost all of them bearded even though no mention was made in the book?