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She is a snake. They used a python brought in from the wild to play the part. Had to have his lines read to him in Portugese. Deserves an Oscar really. A boy snae playing a Japanese woman. Walkinh human and all. You can see his tongue slide a few times. They CGI'd the faceon.
Lady Ochiba (Ruri) is so brilliant as a character. Her use of manipulation is in the way she talks and she gives off the impression that she is clearly playing the game of chess in politics. The actress just nailed it!
i was gonna say the same. I looked her up in Wiki and found she has won acclaimed awards including one of the four international film festivals' awards for young actress. she needs more recognition imo.
She also played Yodo dono, of which Ochiba no kata is based on IRL, in Taiga drama 10 years ago. But that one wasn’t focused on the Time period Yodo dono was active in history so she wasn’t able to display her full potential yet
Due to the challenges of her life Lady Ochiba isn"t behaving like a human being anymore, but has turned more akin to a vengeful spirit yokai. Which is wonderfully captured by the unnerving way the actress performs in her role.
She reminds me of Lady Kaeda from 'Ran', except Kaeda was on a long game to bring down House Ichimongi; she succeeeded but it was still a shock when Gen. Kurogane beheaded her.
In the book her solution was VERY simple. She stumbled about a peasant in the woods one night and came out pregnant the next morning. And she hates Toranaga, because he might have witnessed it. If I remember right, it was left open in the books, how much Toranaga actually saw or knew, but considering he knows practically everything, I go with "He knows that the heir is not the late Taikos son."
@@Mer_Bel_00Well they keep saying he has no heir even though he'd been trying with over 100 women, and there is never a mention of him having a daughter. I think it's safe to assume the Taiko was shooting blanks, Ochiba just got herself pregnant by some random guy and probably had him killed once she knew it worked.
Toranaga was certainly intelligent enough that a man that was unable to father a child with a wife and hundreds of consorts was probably sterile. Ochiba was just lucky that the peasant impregnated her with a son and not a daughter.
The historical figure that Lady Ochiba is based on has an unbelievable life, even more tragic and epic than Mariko's. I wish they will get into it more in the coming season.
@KASDNLQUR oh don't worry, I was just gonna do the quote but in English! Believe me, I've heard the horror stories of people getting tattoos in languages they're unfamiliar with
This show is a masterpiece. If it keeps this standard, it will be seen as one of the best shows ever made. The script, acting, story, cinematography, character depth. Has everything. The brothel scene, the Noh scene, this scene. You can see that so much thought and care has gone in to every shot.
Just I thought / read forgot from where… was a long time ago; she did not used drugs; she was drugged by the main wife of the taiko ; so they could replace the taiko by a peasant similar looking in appearance so they could pass the child as the taiko son, the taiko could not have son but at that time it was always the women fault. So she was drugged and made to sleep with someone until she had a son.
In real life both she and her son are tricked by a truce, then sieged by Tokugawa/Toronaga again, and then forced to commit sudoku lol. They are literally no match for the cunning of Tokugawa. Just a much less experienced mother desperate to protect her son from a warlord that wants to be Shogun.
The Taiko was probably sterile. So she got pregnant by someone else and claimed it was his son. I have to wonder if the kid's real father is Toronaga. It would explain why she wants him dead.
Well, the book Shogun by James Clavell describes the events exactly that way, Taiko could not have a clild, so Ochiba solved the problem behind his back.
To be honest with you. I don't think Ishido and the others would've done what's best to ensure Taiko Jr. would ascend to power. If they had managed to bump Toranaga off, then things would've eventually went south between the remaining Regents.
@@MindNumbingIncgood point, but they spent so much time building up her suposed influence as if her choice was gonna be respected as law. Not to mention all the presumptuous attitudes about respect and authority they all swing around that's supposedly so ingrained into their lifestyle just to hypocritically backstab each other anyways.
Cersei's father was the monarch's advisor Ochiba is the daughter of the ex-ruler, it's quite different plus ... she is a consort of an ex-regent (Taiko) and the mother of the heir she has the rightful power to claim from the start, if you want to compare ... she should be Daenerys.
@@baanaabee "plus ... she is a consort of an ex-regent (Taiko) and the mother of the heir" Replace "consort" with "wife", and "ex-regent" with "ex-king", and you've described Cercei Lannister.
Cersei is more like a born narcissist and bully. Lady Ocheebye is more like a normal and healthy girl twisted by hate and life's uncontrollable circumstances. But deep down there's still the little girl of her past, as shown by how she treats Mariko's death with some kindness. That's very, very different from a typical narcissist like Cersei.
She was the Taiko's consort. The Taiko's wife gave her drugs so she could get pregnant by a peasant who looked like the Taiko. Ochiba doesn't remember what happened but has a pretty good idea
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The way she moves and talks. It's like watching a snake. The actress did a wonderful job.
She is a snake. They used a python brought in from the wild to play the part. Had to have his lines read to him in Portugese. Deserves an Oscar really. A boy snae playing a Japanese woman. Walkinh human and all.
You can see his tongue slide a few times.
They CGI'd the faceon.
The definition of cunning and poison. A snake 🐍
The coat really adds to it also, good eye
Every movement and word delicately precalculated.
She gives off that female/gender bender Orochimaru vibe
Lady Ochiba (Ruri) is so brilliant as a character. Her use of manipulation is in the way she talks and she gives off the impression that she is clearly playing the game of chess in politics. The actress just nailed it!
How is she the same actress that portrayed an introvert female lead in the show Eye Love You, her acting range is incredible.
i was gonna say the same. I looked her up in Wiki and found she has won acclaimed awards including one of the four international film festivals' awards for young actress. she needs more recognition imo.
She also played Yodo dono, of which Ochiba no kata is based on IRL, in Taiga drama 10 years ago. But that one wasn’t focused on the Time period Yodo dono was active in history so she wasn’t able to display her full potential yet
speaking of her acting range, you must watch ‘‘Tonde Saitama‘‘😂
Due to the challenges of her life Lady Ochiba isn"t behaving like a human being anymore, but has turned more akin to a vengeful spirit yokai. Which is wonderfully captured by the unnerving way the actress performs in her role.
She reminds me of Lady Kaeda from 'Ran', except Kaeda was on a long game to bring down House Ichimongi; she succeeeded but it was still a shock when Gen. Kurogane beheaded her.
In the book her solution was VERY simple. She stumbled about a peasant in the woods one night and came out pregnant the next morning. And she hates Toranaga, because he might have witnessed it. If I remember right, it was left open in the books, how much Toranaga actually saw or knew, but considering he knows practically everything, I go with "He knows that the heir is not the late Taikos son."
I think there's some passages from Toranaga's POV that indicate he's not 100% sure
That would be the only solution. If the man is infertile, no amount of herbs the woman takes would make a difference. This show is full of nonsense.
I think the child belongs to Toranaga. She only pretends to hate him.
How is she so sexy, graceful, and so very scary at the same time
like handling a colorful venomous snake.
she is frikken terrifying.
It was a lesson for Ishido to take control instead of letting fate/bureaucracy decide
I think she had plans for Ishido...
and in the last scene he does... by outright murdering one of the regents
Not she, the Wife of the Taiko used the drugs...in the novel, Ochiba sleeps with a peasant, and she hates Toranaga, because he seems to know.
The novel is full of harem fantasies and vulgar sexual fantasies. Is the author British-American?🤨
Really?? That means that the Taiko's son and heir is not really his biological son!
@@Mer_Bel_00Well they keep saying he has no heir even though he'd been trying with over 100 women, and there is never a mention of him having a daughter. I think it's safe to assume the Taiko was shooting blanks, Ochiba just got herself pregnant by some random guy and probably had him killed once she knew it worked.
Toranaga was certainly intelligent enough that a man that was unable to father a child with a wife and hundreds of consorts was probably sterile. Ochiba was just lucky that the peasant impregnated her with a son and not a daughter.
i thought the show insinuated this kinda subtly tbh
The historical figure that Lady Ochiba is based on has an unbelievable life, even more tragic and epic than Mariko's. I wish they will get into it more in the coming season.
Can you share the figure i wanna read about the inspiration of Lady Ochiba
"I compelled Fate to look at me so I could scratch out its eyes" is getting tattoed on my arm
Cringe
@penloprager1218 oh, whatever...
Badass line
Please, Don't do irezumi with Kanji, Badly translated phrased tattoo is heavily frowned upon in Japan.
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This show is a masterpiece. If it keeps this standard, it will be seen as one of the best shows ever made. The script, acting, story, cinematography, character depth. Has everything. The brothel scene, the Noh scene, this scene. You can see that so much thought and care has gone in to every shot.
Just I thought / read forgot from where… was a long time ago; she did not used drugs; she was drugged by the main wife of the taiko ; so they could replace the taiko by a peasant similar looking in appearance so they could pass the child as the taiko son, the taiko could not have son but at that time it was always the women fault. So she was drugged and made to sleep with someone until she had a son.
If they do a Season 2, Lady Ochiba will become the main antagonist to Toronaga (if they follow history). That will be a clash of titans!
In real life both she and her son are tricked by a truce, then sieged by Tokugawa/Toronaga again, and then forced to commit sudoku lol. They are literally no match for the cunning of Tokugawa. Just a much less experienced mother desperate to protect her son from a warlord that wants to be Shogun.
She would be a perfect Azula. Beautiful in a threatening way.
Definetly
The Taiko was probably sterile. So she got pregnant by someone else and claimed it was his son. I have to wonder if the kid's real father is Toronaga. It would explain why she wants him dead.
I also understood this way. This series does not follow the book entirely, I believe.
He was from the Nagasaki Province, all the nuke matter made him sterile.
If the heir was his son, Toronaga wouldn't have claimed the throne for himself tho...
@@SuperChuckRaney nuke reference is only funny when it is related. Otherwise, it only looks childish
Well, the book Shogun by James Clavell describes the events exactly that way, Taiko could not have a clild, so Ochiba solved the problem behind his back.
She's giving me Azula vibes
@BizznessBox I know right
And Azula is hot.
Fumi chan is sooooooo beautiful and outstanding actrees. In ‘Eye love you’ she was soo lovely
Became a Kami in the forest and bedded a villager.
She would be excellent in a modern version of Yuki no Onna
I like how in the end she picked the lord who didn't let her son keep the throne... lol xD
To be honest with you. I don't think Ishido and the others would've done what's best to ensure Taiko Jr. would ascend to power. If they had managed to bump Toranaga off, then things would've eventually went south between the remaining Regents.
@@MindNumbingIncgood point, but they spent so much time building up her suposed influence as if her choice was gonna be respected as law. Not to mention all the presumptuous attitudes about respect and authority they all swing around that's supposedly so ingrained into their lifestyle just to hypocritically backstab each other anyways.
if 'Hannya' had a representation, Lady Ochiba would be it
I think the emperor was unable to have children. So she became pregnant by Toronaga, thats why hes so close with the hier.
Lady Ochiba is both intriguing and frightening.
In the book Clavell claimed that she seduced a "commoner" who resembled the Taiko.
female orichimaru i tell you
That’s what she meant? I thought she was trying to tell him she did it with another dude and the child isn’t really the Taikos
茶々？
I think so.
Cersei Lannister's Japanese version
Lady Ochiba is 100x better
Cersei's father was the monarch's advisor
Ochiba is the daughter of the ex-ruler, it's quite different
plus ... she is a consort of an ex-regent (Taiko) and the mother of the heir
she has the rightful power to claim from the start,
if you want to compare ... she should be Daenerys.
@@baanaabee "plus ... she is a consort of an ex-regent (Taiko) and the mother of the heir"
Replace "consort" with "wife", and "ex-regent" with "ex-king", and you've described Cercei Lannister.
Cersei is more like a born narcissist and bully. Lady Ocheebye is more like a normal and healthy girl twisted by hate and life's uncontrollable circumstances. But deep down there's still the little girl of her past, as shown by how she treats Mariko's death with some kindness. That's very, very different from a typical narcissist like Cersei.
@@baanaabee Niece of the ex ruler
So how she had a child?
Watch my other clips on the explanation.
@@funclips797which one?
She was the Taiko's consort. The Taiko's wife gave her drugs so she could get pregnant by a peasant who looked like the Taiko. Ochiba doesn't remember what happened but has a pretty good idea
Thanks
@@alexandermarquardt597 thanks that explains a lot 😂
How exactly did she conceived would forever be a mystery to me.
She is absolutely terrifying.
Why don't you play in hell? の二階堂ふみ もとても良い。
薬で酔わされた時に相手になったのはてっきり虎長様だと思ってたけど違ったんですね😂
ちびった
She reminds me of a demon in Inuyasha 🪶