Grumpy Old Men - Brendan Kavanagh vs Chinese, Thai culture shock - Jan 28
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- Today Tim & Steve are at Kim Cafe in Kok Kloi (definitely worth of your visit), we give our spin on the Brendan Kavanagh vs Chinese 'CCP' (later in the show 42:22 ), Steve lists things 'that used to be normal when he lived in the US but he now finds weird' and 'things in Thailand that he thought was weird but now finds completely normal'.
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No no no Steve, the Chinese were bang out of order, they cannot arrive to a public place in London and start telling the TH-camr to stop filming them because they say so 😡 and he was not racist. They need to respect the laws and customs of the country they are visiting like we have to whilst in Thailand.
Kavanaugh was screamed at and endured somewhat of a physical threat early on. The Chinese guy was way out of line.
He certainly was. No disagreement there.
Kavanagh was totally justified in his actions. He was entertaining in a very busy public space clearly being filmed. The Chinese party wandered into his frame & demanded he stop filming. He did very reasonably explain to them his right to film in a public place & he only escalated when they in no uncertain terms told him to stop. I believe certain nationalities use our western sensibilities about causing offence against us & used this to scream racism & assault which all done for effect & paint themselves as victims of a man who's only crime was playing the piano
Agreed. Completely calm and made a few mistakes in confusing them with Japanese, who were also there with the old boy. However, these 2 on this channel completely miss the point.
Policewoman 0502 is totally corrupt in asking Dr K to turn off the camera so she could bully him.
The Chinese were CCP shills ready to wave their CCP flags despite living in U.K.
Brendon Leng "shouty guy" works for Financial Times and the CCP's Confucius Institute, which is banned now in many countries.
That’s bullshit! As you quite rightly observed, it’s a public place and the Chinese group had every right to use it too! So, they had every right to ask not to be filmed. Chinese guests have the same rights as us when they’re visiting our country.
@@fromtheflightdeck252Yes that police woman was outrageous, a classic example of why there is little to no trust in the British police. “Turn your camera off, I just want to have a conversation”, then tells him there’s been an allegation made against him… She’s just outright duplicitous…
@@IndusRushthey can ask or as they did, demand. But they were getting close to harassment.
@@IndusRush yet they filmed everyone else in the station. Also the Dr K was live. How do you edit that? Much like Tim on Saturdays. Could he edit that boy coming on screen on Saturday even if he wanted to.
Reading the comments on the piano man Tim and Steve have got it all wong and made complete fools of themselves. The majority of Chinese people on social media in China are on the piano mans side.
Completely agree.
I said that Kavenaugh was feigning his indignation. That's all I care about. His performance. I said he's not a good actor and it's obvious he's not. I don't care who plays a piano in a food court. I don't care what Chinese tourists do in London or what the majority of Chinese people on social media think. I only care about performance, and his was mediocre. That does not make me a fool. It makes me a guy with an otherwise useless Theatre degree.
@steverosse Hospital theatre, possibly?
@@redpepps Done it. I was even Santa Claus in the Pediatrics ward on Christmas Day, 1977. That's why I can tell you this guy is a mediocre street actor.
"The majority of Chinese people on social media in China are on the piano mans side."
If this is true and those supporters aren't bots, then they are probably just embarrassed because of the loud mouth, Newton. He made Chinese people look petty and immature.
I disagree that reaction on Kavanaugh has been polarised. It’s been overwhelmingly on one side - even in Chinese social media. If you read Weibo (and there are TH-cam videos translating the top Weibo comments on this), you will find the top mainland Chinese comments are supportive of Kavanaugh and critical of the Chinese (eg “wow, these guys make us lose face so much”). Also, you perhaps don’t realise that there is overwhelming support for Kavanaugh over the Chinese in Hong Kong and Taiwan. Always enjoy commentary from you guys on Thailand but not convinced you have your fingers on the pulse in Chinese matters (or UK ones, for that matter).
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The confrontation. The piano is in an area that looks like it could take 1000 people. So why didn’t the Chinese group just walk away? They didn’t even have to speak to this guy.
Easily more than 1000. It’s the international rail terminal from trains from London to Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam. Huge numbers constantly pass through it.
Exactly correct why did they not move out of view why did they have prepared documentation regarding image rights
3 of this group have been identified as having links communist groups and politics
I can’t explain the reasoning but this whole thing looks like it was orchestrated by this group of people
They want control 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
And they threatened to sue him too. The aggression was all one sided and it wasn't from the piano player.
they were waiting for their turn to use the piano for their video shoot
Grumpy you been in Asia too long. And for get about about the freedom. Mr. Brendan act appropriately to defend his right within his own country.
It seems you missed the point with the piano video. Several other tubers took over with this story and uncovered different aspects about the people involved that give the context a different angle.
Exactly.
Hello, During this video, if a group of Chinese was in your background came up to you ,& demanded that you have NO RIGHT to film them & that you have to stop your live stream. How would you react ? I am a Chinese & I love China ( my dad was born in Fujian ). However, I don't have respect for the CCP. The lockdown in China was too long & many suffered compared to the rest of the world opening up. The Chinese government did not keep its one country 2 systems in HK & it threatens to take Taiwan by force. I had watched numerous videos about the incident @ St. Pancras Station. Brendon was Harassed by that Nasty Moron, falsely accused if racism, inappropriate sexual advance ( don't touch her when he was pointing to the flag). He was threatened with legal action . It was abnormal for the false accusation " don't touch her & you are not her age " to be repeated a dozen times . He was trying to draw attention . You 2 have not read the thousands of comments in support of Brendan. You are entitled to your opinion but you should be aware that this is not a storm in a tea cup & the CANERA does not lie. Did you see that nice Chinese lady's version of the confrontation? It was full of spin & lies - so typical of CPP members. When you said you do not take sides you should be amply informed of the facts. THE CAMERA DOES NOT LIE - especially on live stream. The nice Chinese lady said it was edited & defamed Brendan. How would You 2 feel if you that was done to you ? Just Block her out without defending yourselves?
I have had similar interruptions to my outside programs and just handled the situation as best I can. My first instinct is to defuse the situation. Then go on from there.
@@timnewtontoday Saint Tim
Yeah na, you got the CCPiano situation skewed. BK was originally perfectly polite and accommodating in the full vid. He sprung up quickly from the piano, when asked by another person if the Chinese folk could play. When he was told 'politely' that they did not approve of him having them in his background shot, he was taken aback. They were barely noticeable and mostly off shot. He simply replied that as it was a public place, in the UK, they did not need to give consent. That should have been the end of it. The comment about the communist flag and the loud Brit Chinese minder threat alleging BK touching a "woman who was not the same age" just left the rails. The real shit show meriting comment, was the transit police woman who, as per the new UK policing narrative, was telling BK he couldn't use the term Chinese or communist - brought the entire farce into perfect outrage focus. BK couldn't have orchestrated this if he tried and as Steve said his acting skills are not good enough to pull off faux surprise - this was a real reaction and he remained calm yet firm. Tea cup storm now offered up to the partisans of the you tube realm to go apeshit. Mere actors in the theatre that is modern day Offence Olympics. His follow up videos on the matter are milking the cow undoubtedly.
100% spot on. The best thing coming out of this situation is how viral the video went, bringing attention to both the bad education of police officers as well as the subversive activity of the CCP in the UK.
Agree. That police woman is a classic example of why there is little to no trust in the British police. “Turn your camera off I just want to have a conversation”, then tells him there’s been an allegation made against him… She’s just outright duplicitous…
From enjoying the Piano , to actually sitting and playing the Piano to demanding the video be taken down? Crazy. More surveillance is undertaken in China than anywhere else on earth! Drones also with facial recognition capabilities! * I hope the Barista in the restaurant doesn't demand you stop being grumpy at their location!!
At one moment the Chinese were enjoying the music as people without ideology, and then they changed demanding to have there images scrubbed. What seems likely is that their handler told them that they could have problems with the CCP when they returned to China.
The irony is that their actions just increased exposure and possible problems.
Hi, I enjoy watching your programme guys but you were SO WRONG on your take from the Brendan Kavanagh video. The Chinese could just have moved out of the camera shot and avoided any fuss if they were so worried about having their "images captured". Brendan was perfectly within his rights to play piano in public. I agree with an earlier comment below that your views were "one-sided". Watch later videos from Brendan that include information from other Chinese people about what was going on, including the likely identity of the Chinese. He explains why he referred to them as Japanese due to knowing a Japanese TV crew that were standing with/near the Chinese. There was no racism intended either. I do not normally comment on TH-cam videos but your comments were so unbalanced that I have decided to react.
Thanks for your contribution
The communist flag of China never existed before the communists took over. The nationalists moved to Taiwan which is why now Taiwan is free and independent.
Tim , you and Steve , are DEAD WRONG, Re piano incident , the Red Chinese could have just moved out of camera,
SIMPLE
Mr K was 100% correct in this situation
These Chinese people was 100% wrong in their action
Steve….. Stop it….
@@ghorpestad We do not have the kind of relationship that would allow you to give me orders. I was asked my opinion of a tempest in a teapot. I gave it. I will continue to do just that.
To the point where they are being investigated by the government.
@@steverosse He was not giving you orders. He was just giving his opinion like you are. You don't need to get so upset. If you are going to get upset about people critiquing you then you really should not be in entertainment on TH-cam. You have already told us that your mouth has got you in trouble before so perhaps just becareful what you say. We do love the way you are and enjoy the shows. Just be mindful of others. This is actually something you brought up today about stupid foreigners coming to Thailand.
@@steverosse It is interesting that my comment which was not rude in anyway but expressing an opinion has been removed by the owner of the channel. If you don't want comments that criticise things that you say then don't say it yourself. There is something as freedom of speech
Here is some education for you gentlemen (Not sarcastic) and I do not expect you to know this but you did feel free to comment about it. :)
The Chinese flag they were using is a communist flag created in 1949 at the culmination of the Chinese Communist Revolution.
The red literally represents the Chinese Communist Revolution.
The large star literally represents the Chinese Communist Party.
According to one of the Chinese people in the group (from their equivalent TH-cam account in China), they were there to record a video as well for a Chinese company to provide for use by the CCTV New Year's Gala in China that is watched by nearly 2 billion people every year.
Ironically, the instructions they received from the Chinese company (once again from her account) had a non-disclosure agreement that required them to record covertly.(She did not expect people in the west to be able to read the things she was posting)
So basically, they were upset someone was recording them in a livestream while they intended to record in public covertly to distribute to a show that literally holds the world record for the world's most watched television program. That is why they had the flags.
Anyway. Love your show!! Also, you two also educate me at times as well so kudos!!
Spot on !! Well penned! The propaganda stint went wrong!
I spent 3 years in China. There is a lot in this video. When I saw the situation at St. Pancras Station, I was reminded strongly of how the Chinese government do not respect other people’s freedoms and rights, only their own. In China, when a man is shouting like that, it is often accompanied by some kind of brutal violence, and watching the video for the first time, I was sure that's what was going to happen !
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So I see Brendan's defense, saying "We're in a free country, mate, we’re not in communist China now" where British laws and social norms apply, as being fair, not racist. He was threatened in two ways : firstly, legal action, and secondly, being shouting at in an intimidating way. The Chinese were twice in the wrong : what they asked for and the legal action they threatened regarding image rights is not in accordance with the law, and the threat of intimidation was made on the basis of a false accusation : that Brendan had done something (touched his colleague) which he had not done (he touched her flag) So I think the Chinese owe Brendan an apology. I think Brendan could even take legal action, which might surprise the British police. The CCP arrogance is laid bare in that Chinese woman’s final repeated remark : “Who are you ?” China is a top-down society : it’s not equal.
Racism ? The CCP like to use this issue, in the same way the Party has tried to teach / preach that for centuries the Chinese people were used and abused by foreign powers, and now they must rise up and even the score. It's given some of them what we would call, "a chip on the shoulder" .
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Having said Brendan was justified, he is of course a real stirrer, an attention-seeking guy. There’s a lot about Brendan that’s provocative. And I would expect a performer like him who regularly plays at a public piano, and who livestreams on TH-cam, to be this type of guy, and to be trying to make as much out of it as he can. But it is also true that the Chinese guy was provocative. It must have occurred to him, and indeed I’m sure he would have been told, that the video was being live-streamed, so his demands could not possibly be met ! Plus the false accusation, the intimidation, and the cries of racism. He quite possibly lied to police as well.
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POSTSCRIPT : In China, everyone is scared of the government, and their representatives. If such an incident arose there, all citizens would obey. The government keeps records on everybody, and control is the goal. The Chinese government also spies on people in foreign countries who they believe don't like them. Unfortunately, that is possibly the next thing for Brendan : he will have to look out. The Chinese government usually plays the man, not the ball. This could go on for some time.
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very well said
ummm its pretty simple the Pianist is allowed to film. AND the Chinese folks were filming as well.
I watched the entire Brendan Kavanagh confrontation a couple times and I agreed with his response. I didn't understand why these "Chinese Brits?" could not move / stand away from Brendan's camera? Brendan's labeling them "Communist Chinese" was wrong. How would Tim enjoy having a group of Saturday morning bicyclists telling him to quit videoing while they enter the coffee shop? Great show btw..
Well I would handle it differently, as I said. I would go for ‘diffusion’ rather than ‘confrontation’. And I have been approached multiple times, particularly in BKK with people asking me what I was doing or to delete the video because they were in it. Mostly, when I explain the actual laws on the matter, politely, everyone goes on their way. Taking the ‘sides’ out of this issue, I thought there was a lot more going on than what it appears to be.
@@timnewtontodayWith respect Tim, having enjoyed your videos for quite some time I've always thought that you've always been somewhat a Chinese apologist, regularly defending any perceived Chinese criticism, whether it be tourist behaviour or Chinese electric vehicles bursting into flames. I know you'll say you're just being a voice of reason, but some times the criticism is warranted. In my experience Chinese tourists/travellers do have a certain sense of entitlement, and in my opinion that is what triggered this incident. Both you and Steve appear to be putting the onus on the piano player for the escalation.
@@mattcarroll2725 minimum Mr Kavanagh could have part of de-escalating the situation. The Chinese protagonist was certainly in the wrong.
@@timnewtontoday There are always two sides to any argument, with the truth usually somewhere in the middle. Personally, I'm very much anti-confrontation, something which has probably been to my detriment over the years, but too old to change now. 🙂 Enjoy what's left of the weekend!
That video barely scrapes into Dr Ks top 50 videos, his top has 40m views. It helps that it went viral but it's not like he needed it. I've watched his videos fairly often for a few years.
The piano player did nothing wrong. He was just standing up for his rights.... British rights.
@@JimmyJ-ne2uj you need help with that ? Freedom of speech , it's why people from all over the globe keep flocking to the UK have you not noticed . The UK is probably the only real democracy on the planet with few restrictions..but then you probably know that .
Still don't care, Dude.
I think the Chinese acted badly. All they had to do was go to a different part of the mall and continue the show they were making. The piano was immovable, their location/and time was changeable.
They turned up to do an impromptu broadcast that went wrong when their faces were shown on Kavanaghs vlog. Not allowed in China but the UK is OK!
I agree the Chinese acted badly. It is England. Not China. You guys are wrong.
Mr K was playing the piano and not bothering anybody. It was the Chinese who approached him. If they didn’t want to be in the video then they should have just moved on. You are making your show in a public place if someone came up to you and told you to stop! What would you do. Mr K did nothing wrong.
It’s happened before. Maybe 10 or so times. Told to turn off the camera. Threatened. Told to delete the file. How to handle it is the key.
I would mug for the camera, just as Mr. K did. It's not a free speech issue. It's just brand marketing.
The big star to the left of the 4 smaller stars represents the communist party. So it represents the Communist party and the country.
It's a shame neither of you watched the full Kavanagh video or the subsequent analysis of events by numerous news channels. If you had your reporting of this event would not be quite so skewed.
I have followed the entire incident from the beginning. That I’ve formed a different opinion is OK, isn’t it?
If you think that Farangs order a lot of food...Go to dinner with a Thai girl.
I see the confusion. I don't "report" anything. Tim asked my opinion and I gave it. I am not a journalist. If you want journalism watch Tim's other show. And I said the whole incident bores me. So you think the solution is for me to spend hours watching analysis of it? That's never going to happen.
@@steverosse It seems it is you who is confused, Steve. To "report" is to give a spoken or written account of something that one has observed, heard, done, or investigated. That is exactly what you did.
@@peterg3365 Christ. Okay, Pedant, I reported my opinion. My report of my opinion was not "skewed." Happy now?
Surely if the Chinese didn;t want to be "in shot" , they should have moved "out of shot" .
You are completely wrong,watch the bideo where the woman in red was dancing,before the minders arrived the woman is close to the uk government.he wears the sunglasses all the time.the old guy on this is completely wrong watch both videos you are both talking bullshit.
Well its always an education. Today I learnt that the red flag is the Chinese equivalent of a Hello Kitty mug from 7/11.
You guys have become my favorite thing to watch on TH-cam. Thank you for being yourselves.
The last time I was in Thailand was 1968. Watching the TH-cam channels, the one thing I noticed that had changed was the size of the women. I don’t ever remember seeing a chubby woman.
Western style fast and junk food to blame there! Some monsters abound! Type 2 diabetes?? Don't mention it!
I agree with you, the people in general have got a lot bigger since I first went there in the 80"
How did Kavanagh do anything wrong? Your take is way off the mark.
We never said he did anything wrong.
@@timnewtontoday he was really calm. The Chinese were the ones being pushy and escalating. Seems like most people in the comments disagree with your take.
Who new Tim Newton Red under the bed.
As I predicted in our program
@@timnewtontoday you absolute genius.
The current flag of China is certainly a communist flag; it did not exist prior to China's communist revolution of 1949. The big star on the flag SPECIFICALLY represents the communist party of China and the red color represents the communist revolution; the four smaller stars represent four classes of citizens based on communist ideology. The flag's design was based on a speech by Mao Zedong about the People's Democratic Dictatorship and was first raised by the People's Liberation Army at Tiananmen Square during a ceremony proclaiming the establishment of the People's Republic of China.
You may be surprised to learn that communism began in Russia (a competing design for communist China's flag featured the hammer and sickle) and there are Chinese people all over the world who are not communists. There are also many Caucasian communists in the US and western Europe (eastern Europe largely learned their lesson!). Therefore, it is in no way "racist" to accuse people displaying a communist flag of being communists; claiming otherwise suggests you are racist for thinking that "communist" is synonymous with Chinese ancestry.
In addition to the flag, the authoritarian bullying tactics employed by the Chinese man (including trying to get the police to stop the youtuber from exercising his right to film in public and to force him to delete his video footage) also suggests he is communist, since it is generally people with ties/allegiance to the CCP who behave like this in China. It is also a well known CCP tactic to accuse any non-Chinese person who criticizes them of being "racist" (as did the shouting man). By the way, Chinese citizens largely support the youtuber and have criticized, ridiculed, and doxed the Chinese antagonists on Chinese social media (which would not be permitted if the CCP was not also embarrassed by their behavior).
It would also not be racist to say the man who was shouting about his non-existent "image rights" and threatening to sue (and accusing the youtuber of being some sort of sexual predator for trying to touch one of the flags held by a woman) of being rude and disrespectful of the customs and laws of the nation in which he was a guest. You are rightfully quick to condemn farang tourists who are disrespectful of Thai customs and laws; it seems racist of you to not expect Asian people to demonstrate similar courtesy in western countries. This is the bigotry of low expectations that many Caucasians exhibit toward people of color.
I agree with most of your comment. However there has never been a communist country as described by Marx and Engels. There have been aspirations that seem to degrade into totalitarian dictatorships with oligarchs stealing the wealth and brainwashing the people with nationalist fables. The People's Republic of China is a totalitarian dictatorship and a classicist society. It barley has any of the characteristics of communism.
I was also a bit surprised by the grumps today, because often they say that people visiting Thailand should adhere to the local laws and customs and not expect things to be done the way they are in their own country.
@@robintaha4520
There is a characteristic of communism and it’s death
Call it what you want in its various disguises but mass scale genocide is never far behind is it ?
The Great leap forward being the largest genocide in the history of mankind
Stalin and his gulags
Another characteristic is they kill there own people as they become paranoid and mentally unstable
I would like to make one more comment in regard to the China story. In the past, Tim has time and time again shown that he truly plays the China sympathizer in his stories and occasional commentary. There is nothing wrong with that, until you have a story about this piano thing. Of course, Tim is going to side with the Chinese. Yet, both Steve and Tim rail against farang trying to impose their "rights" in Thailand. The Chinese were doing the same thing in the UK that farang do here. Having lived in China for eight years recently, I speak very highly of the Chinese people, their country, and their culture, but I could never defend the CCP with the authoritarianism and propaganda that took place. That said, I also knew that I was a guest in their house, and I could always leave if I didn't like it (and I did).
Neither of us ‘sided’ with the Chinese. As we said, numerous times, neither of the ‘sides’ covered themselves in glory and both could have diffused the situation early on. I thought the behaviour of the main Chinese guy was appalling. As to your other comment, ‘Chinese sympathizer’ is a bit of a stretch. I just don’t automatically demonize all Chinese people without putting a story in context. I am well aware of many of the significant shortcomings of the Chinese government. I just don’t lump the entire population into the evils of the CCP.
Why do you think should Brendan Kavanagh should have diffused the situation? He was defending his legal rights by pointing out the very obvious flaws in the Chinese statements. Sometimes you have to fight your corner and kudos to Kavanagh for doing so.
@@timnewtontoday You really have a talent for parsing words and taking things out of context. Much like the piano video, you only see and read what fits your beliefs. Re-read my comment and you will see that I was not referring to the piano video. Instead, I was referring to past stories you have covered where you have exuded praise for China and Chinese topics, such as Chinese EVs, cars in general, and Chinese tourism in China. Often times, when watching your videos, I know I will just have to agree to disagree with your opinions and belief systems. I still enjoy watching regularly and look forward for additional vibrant discussions in the comments with you and other commentors in the future.
@@billg7531 Appreciate the civilized commentary.
Sorry Tim you have the story wrong regards the piano incident. Firstly just before the incident one of the Chinese ladies approached the piano player and said they liked the music, her Chinese male friend took a turn at playing the piano,Mr Brendan is shaking hands with lady and dancing besides her ,all very happy. As the Chinese group grew an older female Chinese appears, This person has previously been identified by MI5 as a CCP spy and charged with interfering in British politics ( her name is on public record.) It is only after this person turns up that the handler becomes aggressive .
The Chinese wanted their own 'impromptu' vlog! Brendan was there first !It wasn't supposed to go like that for Chinese--they only wanted their presentation for CCP TV. It all went wrong in the St. Pancras Train Station.
It's always amazing the hidden "tidbits" of information one can gain by reading the comments. So... what is the name of this "spy" that is on public record? Now that makes sense why she was so assertive. (my own observation)
Public record Christine LEE was named by BBC News over two years ago.
@@williamhartz8707
Christine Lee was named by the BBC News 2 years ago MI5 gave public warnings to politicians not to deal with her.@@williamhartz8707
The use of the bumgun is likely one reason why Thai people don't shake hands, but wai instead.😊
English breakfast is the breakfast of champions 👊👊
As a single man I always finished the previous nights dinner for breakfast so imagine my joy when my Thai family did exactly the same in deepest darkest Isaan 💙🇹🇭
I just watched the Kavanagh video. It seems to me that if the Chinese who are guests in the UK didn't want to be videoed they should have just walked away. It would be like me telling Thais what to do when I'm a guest in their country.
Why are you complaining about the woman making shakes? She's working for the shop. The shop is letting you film there and use their wifi for free.
Didn’t use their wifi and we were invited to film there.
First day on TH-cam? The show is called "Grumpy Old Men," not "A Couple of Patient Guys."
1. Have you seen a later video he put out, where he had let one of the Chinese play the piano, earlier? Everything was friendly then!
2. Another video that is out, does identify one lady there who had been identified as a ‘spy’, and had been getting involved with British Politicians.
3. Yes, it did get out of hand and the ‘communist’ comments he made were provocative. Though, the Chinese were working for a major Chinese TV organisation, so, pretty much on behalf of the Chinese Government, ie CCP.
4. Anyone is entitled to play the piano there, so long as it is not for commercial use. Though one could say both were using it for commercial use?
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. Doesn’t change what I said about the matter. The comments were about the original video with what we could see in Mr Kavanagh’s long live stream.
You are intent on painting Kav as instigator even when evidence of Chinese communist party representatives involvement from the begining. Of course K enjoyed the hits and played up to this. As you stated you would probably have done yourself.@@timnewtontoday
Totally Agree with you on the Luxury Condo thing, one there are too many TH-camrs doing it, and some are just showing the same thing, and they are just dog boxes...
Maybe watch the whole video of Mr K before commenting!! Steve admitted he hadn't watched it. The escalation STARTED with the Chinese man shouting. Plenty of videos to give background stories also.
Good lord. I have watched it and all the ensuing videos. I knew the opinion would be unpopular but it doesn’t stop me from having that opinion.
@timnewtontoday Steve was more opinionated and admitted he had seen very little!
I loved how they had a public piano in the train station. What a great idea! I always say that London is a city of experiences.😊.
No, not a Tube station, Tim. St Pancras is a mainline station and the other places he plays are also usually mainline stations (mostly Kings X). Sometimes shopping malls.
Thanks for the clarification
Good show! Tim, your hummingbirds are flying upside down! Maybe that's why it ended up for sale at Tescos! 😆
I think hummingbirds can fly any way they want not sure though and I will Google it.
You two bantering and subtly insulting each other is heartwarming. Thank you for the pleasant delivery of information that rarely appears elsewhere.
Thumbs up 👍 Tim Newton
Good day guys good show again. On the subject of the Brendan vlog I suggest you and Steve watch the whole video. He did not instigate the confrontation although I think he did what most vloggers would have done and made the most of the situation.
The Chinese approached him knowing that the camera was rolling.It is a public space where many people were recording and yes he made the most out of the opportunity.
And while I think of it…. You are too ! 😅😅
I didn't want to watch that stupid video the first time and I'm never going to watch it again. Christ, why don't you people listen? I only said that Kavenaugh is a mediocre actor. It's obvious from the video he's acting. Badly. I don't care who plays piano in a mall food court. I don't care what Chinese tourists do in London. I only care about performance and his was not very good. How many effing times do I have to say that?
I'm curious Tim....let's say your monetized LIVE stream channel, and your source of income has 2 million viewers. That would get you a tidy sum right? Then someone walks over and tells you to delete that video, because they appear in the background and don't want to be seen on it. You're a nice guy, we know you wouldn't get into a back and forth with them and have the blood pressure rise. But would you comply with their demand and lose your income? or what would be the solution? remember...its LIVE you can't edit the video.
Well, yes. I would have handled it differently and tried to de-escalate the situation… that’s my general vibe. My Kavanagh was well entitled to play the piano in a public space and the Chinese were ‘entitled’ to ask if they were in frame. From there on, it just got ramped up and should have been diffused quickly. You CAN edit live streams, after they have finished. The interruption to THIS livestream is the reason it’s doing so well. As I said, I think both ‘sides’ could have played this a lot better. But Mr Kavanagh has been clever to put out follow up videos every day since and milk this for what it’s worth. I would probably do the same thing (as in milking the golden goose).
@@timnewtontodayI actually advised Dr.k to make daily recaps longer than 7 minutes 😊
Not underground station. It is in between two large long distance stations. Kings Cross to Scotland and the north. St Pancras to North West and Europe on the Eurostar under the channel. The piano is on the forecourt of Kings Cross.
Thanks for the clarification
Really love your channel but don’t agree with your comments on the piano incident in the UK Tim , considering how we all make an effort here in Thailand to respect the local people and laws ,,,, maybe Steve needs to watch the whole incident also ,,, it clearly was an attempt to impede the rights of someone under UK law ….the Chinese group had no issue interacting leading up to the minders intervening 😳anyway we are all allowed our own opinions but I really was surprised at yours ,,,, look forward to yiur next news day 👍
I understand many of our viewers will take that road. I’ve tried to watch it without turning on the ‘outrage’ switch and actually digging a bit deeper into what was reallly going on.
People need to watch the whole video start to finish, then make your own mind on who was the start of the aggression.
just for Tim n Steve's info here...the Little Pink's were at the train station (not a tube station) to create a Chinese New Year (pre-recorded) video and planned to play the piano, with their entourage gathered around singing a Chinese patriotic song, with their flags. This is why they were dressed as they were. This was a preapproved recording (hence why there were known CCP operatives in the background watching) that was to be shown nationally on TV in China...but passed off as a LIVE stream at new year. Why? Because the production company were concerned that a true LIVE broadcast might have some Hong Kong activist protesters holding banners in the background, and that's something they could not control or filter out. And this is why the Chinese entourage had NDA agreements that they had all signed with their production company, to keep this fact quiet (that it was pre-recorded not LIVE). They then walked over to Kav and tried to have him delete his video so they were not seen on it (or their planned LIVE stream new year hoax would have been found out). They even threatened Kav with "legal" action. Kav pointed out they were in UK, not communist China, and their NDA and legal action threats regarding image rights didn't apply in UK, or to him as they were in a free country. You might think I'm making this up, but there have been many videos on the individuals from China and who they are now appearing.
@@liamdoherty211 and then playing the racism card when he pointed out that they weren't in communist China (regarding the threats of legal action)
I haven't watched and won't watch it.
It's easy to start a conflict, harder yet to disregard it.
And who was wrong? And who was right?
It didn't matter in the thick of the fight.
Yes, there is a lot negative Chinese sentiment, and obviously some for good reason.
Just as there's a lot for just about every nationality, for usually good reasons.
None of them is worth starting a conflict over.
You guys are spot on with what we used to gasp at and now we walk past without noticing. And, toilet paper is disgusting!
Will be eternally grateful to Tim Newton and TNT for bringing much loved cartoon character Mr McGoo back to our screens after all these years. Dont know how you do it. The animation is incredible, almost lifelike
You are so wrong about the pianist, the issue is the Chinese laying down the law , being aggressive , just a guy standing up for himself, and being British, yeah he is pale ..not much sun in Britain, specially in winter..Steve , come on..
Joey, I am bored by the whole thing, but Tim asked me my opinion so I gave it. As my background is in show biz I analyzed it as a show biz moment: one guy was acting (badly) and the rest were just doing their jobs. Beyond that I have zero interest in the matter.
@@steverosse Fair enough Steve , I can see where you are coming from , I am over it too, I was just a little fired up about the Chinese at the time. Life goes on .
Reverse culture shock ... approaching a pedestrian crossing in the UK and the cars ACTUALLY STOPPING BEFORE YOU'VE PUT A FOOT ON THE ROAD ...
apologies for the capitals .... think I've been here too long ...
Hey Steve, you know what Charles Bukowski said ? " find what you love and let it kill you"
Great show today guys!
I wish you didn't mentioned the other YT video conflict as it casts a long shadow.
Just your topics alone make it a great show.
Sadly....most of the comments go about the conflict.
Would be so much better if they where about the cold or half cold french fries 😂
Bith sides are on the wrong Brendan K and those 2 or 3 China ppl, China ppl shd follow the local UK custom or culture or behaviour in the public space
Excellent use of the word 'corollary' in this episode and interestingly highlights the difference between American and British/Australian pronunciation. Linguistic students take note :)
'corollary' (noun) a proposition that follows from (and is often appended to) one already proved.
Hi guys, I'm eating egg and beans on toast for breakfast.Yes I'm a Brit
Listening to the story about motorcycle helmets reminded me of the following true story.
In California, in the early 70s, they passed a law requiring motorcycle riders to wear helmets. Many, mostly younger, bikers purchased helmets and strapped them to their knee. The law required them to wear a helmet but did not specify where.
"I like Chinese. There's a billion of them on the planet....."
It's a fact you lose certain freedoms when you surrender when moving to Thailand. Some are fine with it and bite their tongue and elect to refrain from the fight of free speech. We all know why, as repression of expressing free thought is the cost of moving to Thailand. I'm sure Moral Algebra equations on this issue have been thought out. The strong variable for some is cheap cost of living and budgeting girls on $1500 USD a month. What is queer and understandable is conforming to local laws and customs. The piano man was correct standing for his rights, and for those that choose and prefer living in the Occident. He's also at liberty to disrespect his local royalty without repercussions, as it should be. It's certain you have to measure everything you say from Thailand and strain to conform to avoid a violation, incarceration or worse. God Bless the piano player and those that value and defend the tenants of free speech. Tim, you walk on egg shells and measure yourself to not violate 112. As the other guy; he's reduced his life to beach combing lighters on a beach and budgeting sex once a month. Free Speech is worth defending and the piano player needs to be applauded. You assert these are simple nationals. The case has proven these are operatives of CCP, the same that also lurk in Thailand. He warranted a subscription and has no need for a sponsorship of a marine outfit in Phuket, that also used laws to suppress a TH-camr.
Wow. You just made a boring story even more boring. Kudos.
@@steverosse Maybe we should bottle our humdrum and corner the Melatonin market. The piano man went viral for a valid reason and valued principles . Sorry ! This matter deserves the attention and view$ it's getting. We all got a dog in this fight.
Calling someone communist is not being racist. The Chinese flag has five stars-one large one and four small ones, to represent the government (large star) as being superior and overseeing the people (small stars). From an expat who’s lived 1x years in China.
There is also a Chinese conmunist party flag.
Which in no way equates to the national flag being “non-communist”, or supports the notion that calling someone a communist, which may be interpreted as rude (ironically enough, since China is very proud of its brand of socialism), is racist. You clearly do not understand the nuances of this situation, and the fact that you cannot see Dr. K as having the moral high ground (as evidenced by the overwhelming support for him on Chinese social media), as well that you’re trying to force a false narrative that the party flag represents communism but the national flag doesn’t is the reason so many of your subscribers are turning against you. Sticking to the narrative that “both sides acted badly” is as infantile as that of the “tourists.”
I guess there's a good chance in the near future that Chinese people will be upset when being addressed as 'Chinese.' Abruptly asking someone 'Are you Chinese?' can actually offend many people, including Chinese themselves, even now.
@@miedhi I know many friends who are Chinese. Yes it would be very rude to start calling them Communist because they're Chinese. The same way it would be rude to refer to you as a capitalist imperialist (if you're from the UK or US).
As an American living in China and working among many different nationalities I get called many worse things than 'capitalist'. I deal with it and move on. And even if I agree with you that calling a Chinese person 'communist' or calling an American person 'capitalist' is rude, neither is a racist slur. Or else, if one is then they both are. @@MisterPhat
Your discussion about motorcycle safety and dangerous absurdity reminded me of seeing two men on a scooter in Ho Chi Minh City. They were riding at 40kph in heavy traffic and they had a sheet of glass two metres by one metre between them. (Highly likely not to be safety glass.)
I often wonder if they completed or even survived the journey to deliver the load.
Good morning to the two grumpy old man.
they did not come up to ask if he was live streaming. and actaully the flag is communist. China is a communist country and therefore its flag is commuinust, thie flag they had was the one that was started by the communists in the 1940s.
if you watch the entire thing earlier, prior to all this, the woman in red, and a guy with a grey sweater from the group was there. he was very friendly with them. an they came up to shake his hand, she danced with him, he even aske the guy in the grey sweater to play the piano, the guy played beuatifully
meanwhile, the other guy Jim something. whom was talking to him, said there was a japanese tv crew there, and kept repeating it. he initially thought this group ws from teh japanese film crew, especially since they were filiming him themsvlees.
they were all fine until this lady way in the background you see showed up. she is in fact a known chinese spy, i am not kidding,
the shouting guy and the lady in Red and the lady who talked to him are all linked to or at least semi linke to the CCP as it turns out and has been confirmed by numerous sources.
they literaly just came up to im and demaned to stop filming, not truly exlaing thmeslves. he was trying to understand, and explaining to them it is a public place and even told them if they don't want to be filmed they can just walk away from the camera. he stood his gorund for freedom of speech and not let them bully him with their highly maniplitive tactics.
there has been thousands f chinese and taiwanese who find that group in the wrong i have seen many of his videos. he has had tons of chinese people and other asans, and since. . he was not baiting them, they were trying to bait HIM>
American. I am never rude to stff. life is to short. I never used a bum gun until I traveled to thailand..I cant imagine notaving one now.
Steve has a right to his opinion... even if it's wrong.
I'm not wrong. It was bad street theatre. That's all I said and I'm still correct. Unless you want to defend the guy's acting skill? I'd love to hear that dramaturgy.
If you don't want to appear on a video you don't go up close to the camera and start bawling. Period.
The beauty of being a 'Grumpy Old Man' is that you can hold an unpopular opinion, articulate it and not give a rat's arse what anybody thinks.
In an imperfect world we can only hope that Steve doesn't wear lycra when out riding his bike.
Hahaha🤣
Keep speaking your mind Tim.
You are the most objective TH-camr I have ever seen!
I agree with Steve. As you get older I think you are reminded of your family and friends no matter where you live. Especially at my advanced age of 90 and the old friends are sadly popping off and this reminds you of the good times we had.
90 and watching GOM😂.. Now that is a noteworthy achievement!!!
Granted.. my father at 86 is handy also, yet so many in his age group could not figure out the VCR and struggle with tech.
👍 Great to see you here sir!
And enjoy the show
Catching up on my regular Sunday viewing: I always appreciate the show - fun and engaging to watch as always. No particular comment...just leaving one and a "like" in the hopes it helps with the channel. Keep it up guys!
Superb! Merci beaucoup
Ha ha...Tim and Steve, you played that one well. Look at all the comments and the ranting and raving happening. I even fell into your trap. You are both savvy social media guys and you pulled a brilliant "Kavanagh" on us. How many more subscribers did you get for this Tim? I hope you continue to grow your channel. Always amusing and entertaining with lots of "agreeing to disagree" on my part.
Tim and Steve provided the TH-camr angle to this story even though I disagree that Brendan was "controlling the narrative".
Couldn't agree more about the toilet...methods. After my first trip to Thailand - a mere 2 weeks - I was so grossed out about using toilet paper I bought a bidet attachment within days of being back.
As for the Kavanagh fiasco, couldn't they simply have moved out of frame? He wasn't filming with a 360 degree camera...
You guys make my week! Thanks!
Your most enjoyable show I've seen. The "now and then" comparisons of normal and weird were particularly interesting. Though I only visit Thailand for a few weeks at a time, I'm always astounded at the four on a scooter plus the day's shopping as well as the girls that ride side saddle.
Thanks, love the show guys.
Regarding small children sitting in front of mum/dad on motorcycles (with no helmet of course), my old friend Peter who was a policeman and an amateur actor in the UK, came up with the term 'airbag' for this situation. Of course you can then have dual or even triple airbags.😮
Steve’s channel is fantastic! I’ve binge watched about 30 episodes so far. 😊
Thank you!
When I was very young, say 15, not 79, I was amazed after reading an article about a place called "Speaker's Corner" in a place in Hyde Park in London. A person could go there with a small box to stand on and speak on any topic without threat of those in charge of taking him down. However, once the person has mounted on his box he is the target of any one to cat call, reducle, and castigate him for his speech and opinion. I thought what a wonder apace for freedom of speach. Well what we have now with "smart phones" the internet, and TH-cam is an international and unlimited "speaker corner" anywhere and at any time. It is wonderful and at the same time threatening.
That's where we get the expression, "Climb down off your soap box."
Tim, such a brilliant truth - closer physical location regarding family does not mean we will have a closer relationship. That was a tough lesson for me.
If i have learned one thing in Thailand it is to use the bathroom before chopping chillies.
Such a one-sided view…. 😞 (disappointed viewer from London)
great show as always guys. love it.
The added interview with Pearce Morgan. Show, With Kavanagh makes the whole incident a bit different prospective….
Always a great show guys, keep it going......Steve , I've just bought Leaving Thailand from Amazon UK for my upcoming Thailand holiday, hope you receive some royalties from it
I get a dollar a book! Thanks!
Thank you for your show… Great stuff…
Best show ever. 😊 love you guys.❤
Steve, “Mi si phrik” is actually correct. 👍
I think Tim and Steve need to send Kavanough a few cans of beans for breakfast as well. Getting some good engagement. :)
Yeah I think they trolled us to get engagement for their boring chit chat as Kavanaugh was clearly doing absolutely nothing wrong, and the Pinks were clearly WRONG!😂
Steve pays much more attention to his haters than to those of us who love him. But no one could hate you Tim. Love you both but I’m thinking of switching teams.
Sorry, I'm shit about responding to praise these days. The haters trigger me and I respond in anger. I do read every comment and I do appreciate the kind words. But I'm on Team Tim so welcome aboard!
@@steverosse I was just pulling your chain Rosse because I knew you’d reply to this one. You be you. 👏
Hi Tim why did you not broadcast your show from upstairs away from the noisy kitchen?
Good point. It was quiet when we started. Look, we played up the whole noise thing, knowing that you could still hear us all perfectly well. It’s just part of responding to what’s happening around us. Maybe some Chinese vloggers will be around next time.
You only wish for a load of Chinese vloggers to show up Tim and you could give them a run for their money that's for sure and get into the million view club lol.
As for me, upstairs at Kim Cafe has only beanbag chairs, and my knees don't do beanbag chairs.
Hang in there Steve you're doing great shows with Tim.@@steverosse
@@user-vz4wc1br1o Thank you.
Hi Tim/Steve, always enjoy tour daily news update and Grumpy Old Men show.
When I first came to Thailand some 10 years ago now one of my new friends pointed out the family on a motorbike with Mum/Dad/ten year old and a baby mounted up front.....he called the baby "an Isaan airbag"....still frightens me every time I see it.
Hi Steve and Tim I have lived in Australia for 20 years now from New Zealand and are going to retire in Thailand I can't see how it will be much different.Apart from not living in Nany state and the cost of living in Thailand
Agreed, same same but alittle different
Right on about the ordered food items coming out separately, sometimes 15 minutes apart. I usually assume this procedure deals with Thais sharing their food with one another instead of eating their ordered food by themselves. But...BUT it would be nice to have a couple dishes delivered together. My biggest complaint is the way steam rice is delivered...sometime 10-15 minutes before the Thai dish is delivered or it's delivered 5-10 minutes afterwards. (and I wish the waitress would return 5 minutes later and ask if "everything ok?'" (but that's an American thing).
Great show. Very enjoyable. Thanks guys
I enjoyed the addition of the grumpy old Juicer.. A definite star.. 🤣