Great video again! I’d like to add checking / being wary of DC offset and phase rotation, which can steal a good bunch of headroom. The difficulty is that you don’t hear the difference really on a single sound, but only when compressing and limiting, but you can have several dBs difference on the +/- sides of the waveform, because the sample, or a part of it can have rogue peaks, say at -2dB on one side side and -10dB on the other. Correcting this would make it -6dB on both sides, so you’d get 4dB more headroom. Especially old sample CD one-shots have the static DC offset or the phase rotation all over the place.
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Totally! The same concept can apply to any of those other drum layers. Usually the snare eats up a lot of volume which makes it a bigger issue than something like a hi hat.
@TheCosmicAcademy My hi hats cut through my mix but my issue is the kick. It feels pumpy and awesome/loud but I can't hear the top end anymore, it feels like it lost its character
@chrisbouchard8150 it’s hard for me to understand what’s going on in your mix where I don’t really have an answer. There are just so many ways to solve problems odds are this isn’t the way of it’s not sounding good. You’d want to try other solutions. Changing sound section/clipping the hi hats/fading the hi hats that are on top of the kick/etc
It is very important. I try to make sure that according to the analyzer, the loudest element is kick. There is another way to reduce the volume of kick + snare to get less limiting. This is to try changing the decay snare to a maximum of "+ - 5" milliseconds, and see at what numbers the volume decreases.
So…instead of limiting kick+snare, reducing the level of the snare would give the same result right? I mean reduce it manually instead of reducing by limiting…
reducing the volume of the snare is going to make the snare sound significantly quieter. When you work into a limiter the beauty is we dontttt lose perceived volume. Its getting rid of peak volume, but retaining perceived volume.
Hey Moose! I hate to say it but this is possibly one of the best videos on the subject I have seen, and I am hunting the essence of this for a while now. Please thank your employee for such a great effort and tell him he can give you an extra snack from me, and have one for himself! I have been watching this a number of times now and will keep coming back to nail this once and for all!! I have come across many suggestions as to how to do this-but this is really straight forward 🙏🤩🧃
A gamechanger plugin for the phase correlation issue between two sounds is Fuser by Mastering The Mix, especially when working with samples where you‘re otherwise bound to just being able to phase-flip instead of having all phase options available.
I love the 1-1 limiting tip; havent used it on drums yet but on drop synths combined with a really good sidechain u can get a clean loud drop without it sounding getting over-compressed/limited🔥
Absolutely!! With drums clippers are usually really good too…but with kicks specifically they can cause noticeable distortion which isn’t always wanted. That’s why in this case the limiter was used…a bit more transparent!
I'm guessing that whether you flip the phase of the kick or the snare will give the same results (and it is a technique that seems to work when I try it, so I'll be doing this from now on). Since the kick competes with the bass more than it does the snare, it seems like the thing to do is flip the kick. I guess experimentation is in order. Another thing that helps is to sidechain a compressor on the kick using the snare. I use a VCA at 5:1 with a zero attack and a release at about 120 (not critical) and duck the kick about 6 dB. It does not sound like the kick is breathing or dipping (but it will be noticeable if you listen to the kick in solo). What this does is cut down the attack of the kick just very briefly. This still gives the impression of the combined kick and snare as being the same volume as one or the other, which it actually is (combined without this, they are actually louder). What we perceive is consistency of level, while still hearing both distinctly. It reduces the aggregate level when they hit together about 1.5 dB, allowing us to bring the track level up that much. This is similar to sidechaining the bass using the kick, which helps keep them from competing with each other due to destructive interference, as well as keeping the aggregate level of combined hits lower. I also pan the kick a couple ticks left and the bass a couple ticks to the right, not enough to be perceived as off center (the Haas effect mostly prevents that), but enough to help reduce the interchannel interference.
Great tip! I have been struggling with this one. I guess the only question I have is how do I incorporate this into my current way I group. I typically group all the drums together minus the kick and then group the kick and bass. I suppose I would have to move away from grouping the kick and bass together?
Thanks! Happy it can help! As far as routing and grouping I totally know what you mean...there are SO many ways to go about processing! I wish I had a great answer for you but I really dont 😅 You can always do sub groups, or sum all 3 together. There's no real right / wrong way. Its more about trying to solve the problem (if it exists) with the many options we have! I'd recommend trying a few different options in terms of your routing/grouping to see what gets you to the best sound, while solving the problem ❤️👊
I was looking for this question as well. I dont think pro's actually group kick and snare together (or even more stuff that is playing at the same time). I guess you just want to compress the snare? I really like this vid but I also can not incorporate this into my workflow.
nudge your snare slightly off the grid a bit late so the transient isnt hitting exactly when the kick transient is hitting. put a soft clipper on your drums and then hit the limiter hard. Thats what ive been doing and im able to get my tracks nice n loud. im def going to try the phase flipping method though
Yes!! Another helpful step!! ♥️ the phase thing is pretty cool. I actually bought “fuser” for Black Friday which automatically aligns your phase to another “linked” sound. Works REALLY well! Should check it out.
Super thankful to come across your channel. Yahll genuinely out here wanting to drop gems on topics in music production that’s I’ve been struggling with for awhile. Excited to apply the new tips. P.S. oh & shout out to moose! ❤
Zack agrees with you…but you’re talkin to moose right now! I hate this tip. I think it stinks. I’d rather go to the park then use this on my kick and snare! -Moose
I've always wondered what a good way to solve this problem is. I used to add a clipper on my snare, and then the bus channel where snare and kick combine, clip it again, but sometimes that doesn't work out so well. I like this approach. Thanks for the Fab Filter L2 instructions on how to achieve this. Will definitely use! Thanks
totally with you on that! i usually try both. i loveeee cliipping but sometimes the distortion is unwanted/unpleasant on kick and snare. Limiters come in handy in these cases. Happy this able to help 👊❤️
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Great video! Maybe a stupid question, but I tend to have the snare in my drum buss, which I process too. Should I just route the snare to both the kicksnare and drum buss in parallel, or would this still create unwanted side-effects?
thank you!! you can do groups within groups if you'd like! ill do this a lot where ill have certain elements grouped together (like kick and snare) but then that group is within the overall drum group. know what i mean? 👊❤️
@@TheCosmicAcademy Yes, I do that too a lot, especially when layering. However, that implies that my kick is also in the overall drum buss, which I don't want as it should not receive the same processing. How would you deal with that?
Thank you very much for the insight. Just one question: How do you group kick and bass then if needed or wanted? What if I also want to do group processing on e.g. kick, sub, bass like compression, pultec effect etc. like many other tutorials suggest...
This is a great video. I don't think phase interaction and flipping the phase of sounds or different instruments interacting in the same frequency spectrum gets talked about enough.
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that phase flip trick is huge. one of the better tutorials i've seen for music production
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Great video again!
I’d like to add checking / being wary of DC offset and phase rotation, which can steal a good bunch of headroom. The difficulty is that you don’t hear the difference really on a single sound, but only when compressing and limiting, but you can have several dBs difference on the +/- sides of the waveform, because the sample, or a part of it can have rogue peaks, say at -2dB on one side side and -10dB on the other. Correcting this would make it -6dB on both sides, so you’d get 4dB more headroom. Especially old sample CD one-shots have the static DC offset or the phase rotation all over the place.
thank youuu dude 👊 means a lot!!! appreciate you dropping the knowledge here too...awesome addition!
This is the type of stuff every producer needs to be thinking about!
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You can also move the snare slightly forwards or backwards so the snare-kick transients don't sum at the same time
Absolutely!
Or even combine the two :) so phase-invert, bounce and then move forwards or backwards.
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phase flip was great. i glue > clip > limit a bit. soft clipping groups helps too
Yessss!! Many ways to go about processing!! 👊♥️
I forgot to flip the phase on certain sounds! Good tip
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These videos are the best. I have been struggling with the peaks of my claps and this just did it!
I have a two part question,
Can I apply this to a hi hat top loop that snare?
And what about percussion/other drums
Totally! The same concept can apply to any of those other drum layers. Usually the snare eats up a lot of volume which makes it a bigger issue than something like a hi hat.
@TheCosmicAcademy My hi hats cut through my mix but my issue is the kick. It feels pumpy and awesome/loud but I can't hear the top end anymore, it feels like it lost its character
@chrisbouchard8150 it’s hard for me to understand what’s going on in your mix where I don’t really have an answer. There are just so many ways to solve problems odds are this isn’t the way of it’s not sounding good. You’d want to try other solutions. Changing sound section/clipping the hi hats/fading the hi hats that are on top of the kick/etc
It is very important. I try to make sure that according to the analyzer, the loudest element is kick. There is another way to reduce the volume of kick + snare to get less limiting. This is to try changing the decay snare to a maximum of "+ - 5" milliseconds, and see at what numbers the volume decreases.
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Great tip moose, thnx.
Solid tips here. Great video
Thank you!! Really appreciate it and happy it can help!
you FINALLY made me understand how to approach phase issues after 10+ years of producing music. Thank you!
Hahaha let’s gooo!! You’re very welcome! - Happy that you’re able to use this! 👊
So…instead of limiting kick+snare, reducing the level of the snare would give the same result right? I mean reduce it manually instead of reducing by limiting…
reducing the volume of the snare is going to make the snare sound significantly quieter. When you work into a limiter the beauty is we dontttt lose perceived volume. Its getting rid of peak volume, but retaining perceived volume.
That was lovely!
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You also can remove some frequency from 2 and 4 kick
100%!! So many ways to go about it and thats def a good one too
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A gamechanger plugin for the phase correlation issue between two sounds is Fuser by Mastering The Mix, especially when working with samples where you‘re otherwise bound to just being able to phase-flip instead of having all phase options available.
I gotta check that out!!! I actually haven’t seen Fuser before!! You got me very interested!! 👊♥️
You‘re gonna love it! It‘s basically a Trackspacer on Steroids with Mid-Side mode and automatic phase detection.
Oh baby! Perfect timing with Black Friday too! Appreciate you adding this to the comments!! Can help a lotta people!!
Fuser is the most awesome plugin for masking issues. It’s a beast
been using that plugin for a while now. the phase rotation knob is heavenly
That phase flip trick is nuts, as a new producer I’m definitely going to try this
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I love the 1-1 limiting tip; havent used it on drums yet but on drop synths combined with a really good sidechain u can get a clean loud drop without it sounding getting over-compressed/limited🔥
Absolutely!! With drums clippers are usually really good too…but with kicks specifically they can cause noticeable distortion which isn’t always wanted. That’s why in this case the limiter was used…a bit more transparent!
Like your style. very informative, thank you.
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I'm guessing that whether you flip the phase of the kick or the snare will give the same results (and it is a technique that seems to work when I try it, so I'll be doing this from now on). Since the kick competes with the bass more than it does the snare, it seems like the thing to do is flip the kick. I guess experimentation is in order.
Another thing that helps is to sidechain a compressor on the kick using the snare. I use a VCA at 5:1 with a zero attack and a release at about 120 (not critical) and duck the kick about 6 dB. It does not sound like the kick is breathing or dipping (but it will be noticeable if you listen to the kick in solo).
What this does is cut down the attack of the kick just very briefly. This still gives the impression of the combined kick and snare as being the same volume as one or the other, which it actually is (combined without this, they are actually louder). What we perceive is consistency of level, while still hearing both distinctly. It reduces the aggregate level when they hit together about 1.5 dB, allowing us to bring the track level up that much. This is similar to sidechaining the bass using the kick, which helps keep them from competing with each other due to destructive interference, as well as keeping the aggregate level of combined hits lower.
I also pan the kick a couple ticks left and the bass a couple ticks to the right, not enough to be perceived as off center (the Haas effect mostly prevents that), but enough to help reduce the interchannel interference.
Great tip! I have been struggling with this one. I guess the only question I have is how do I incorporate this into my current way I group. I typically group all the drums together minus the kick and then group the kick and bass. I suppose I would have to move away from grouping the kick and bass together?
Thanks! Happy it can help! As far as routing and grouping I totally know what you mean...there are SO many ways to go about processing! I wish I had a great answer for you but I really dont 😅
You can always do sub groups, or sum all 3 together. There's no real right / wrong way. Its more about trying to solve the problem (if it exists) with the many options we have! I'd recommend trying a few different options in terms of your routing/grouping to see what gets you to the best sound, while solving the problem ❤️👊
Good question, Rick. Yep....same thing popped into my mind while I was watching this. It's a "bus type dilemma."
I was looking for this question as well. I dont think pro's actually group kick and snare together (or even more stuff that is playing at the same time). I guess you just want to compress the snare? I really like this vid but I also can not incorporate this into my workflow.
This is great info. Shout outs to Moose!
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Cool tips il try. This problem doesnt really show up in drum and bass garage or dubstep though.
Def something that affects certain genres more than others!
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I was trying to solve this problem for ages....thank you bro
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Literal Game Changer! Thanks mate!
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nudge your snare slightly off the grid a bit late so the transient isnt hitting exactly when the kick transient is hitting. put a soft clipper on your drums and then hit the limiter hard. Thats what ive been doing and im able to get my tracks nice n loud. im def going to try the phase flipping method though
Yes!! Another helpful step!! ♥️ the phase thing is pretty cool. I actually bought “fuser” for Black Friday which automatically aligns your phase to another “linked” sound. Works REALLY well! Should check it out.
damn i should have hopped on fuser for black friday@@TheCosmicAcademy
awesome
Thank youuuu!!! Although I wish you would've told zack how bad this video REALLY is!! -Moose
this is fucken brilliant! you're the man!
Hahaha thank youuuuu!! Really happy this can help!! 👊♥️
Anyone know what the best free scope there is to see what my song is actually doing?
Thank you Cosmic Community
Smexoscope is a solid free option…megascope is great too (not free)
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omg this is so clean
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Absolutely essential information in this
Zack agrees with you…but you’re talkin to moose right now! I hate this tip. I think it stinks. I’d rather go to the park then use this on my kick and snare! -Moose
I've always wondered what a good way to solve this problem is. I used to add a clipper on my snare, and then the bus channel where snare and kick combine, clip it again, but sometimes that doesn't work out so well. I like this approach. Thanks for the Fab Filter L2 instructions on how to achieve this. Will definitely use! Thanks
totally with you on that! i usually try both. i loveeee cliipping but sometimes the distortion is unwanted/unpleasant on kick and snare. Limiters come in handy in these cases. Happy this able to help 👊❤️
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STOP LYING TO ZACK!!! I tried telling him this one stinks...don't encourage him!! -Moose
Excellent info!!
Glad it was helpful!
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wow!!! the added headroom
👀👀 hahahaha added headroom is always a good thing!! (If you can do it without destroying the sound of course)
thank you my teacher
Great tutorial! Thanks for the vid!
Really appreciate these to the point quick and easy tutorials. Thank you guys!
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Thank
Great job moose
hahahaha moose says "thanks dawg"
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I delay the snare track for some ms, so the kick transient does not clash with the snare transient, but i will try your approach too.
I do this on 808 and Basses. Any other elements than snare where it's useful?
Same could apply for a clap on top of a kick!
But what else is it worth do to it for, I can't go trough my track an try to switch the phase on every single track :)@@TheCosmicAcademy
Moose, please don’t be so hard on Zack! I love this video. Also, you are a good boi. 😊
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Great vid bro
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I was trying to find out how I could lower the threshold of Fabfilter limiter but i couldnt so everytime I was using a different limiter. Great tip!
Happy it helps!!
Great video! Maybe a stupid question, but I tend to have the snare in my drum buss, which I process too. Should I just route the snare to both the kicksnare and drum buss in parallel, or would this still create unwanted side-effects?
thank you!! you can do groups within groups if you'd like! ill do this a lot where ill have certain elements grouped together (like kick and snare) but then that group is within the overall drum group. know what i mean? 👊❤️
@@TheCosmicAcademy Yes, I do that too a lot, especially when layering. However, that implies that my kick is also in the overall drum buss, which I don't want as it should not receive the same processing. How would you deal with that?
Men your explanations are incredible, visual and short, amazing
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Thank you!!!! Moose is awesome right? He's the best! (this is moose commenting 🫎)
5:00 this trick alone worth the whole video.
Thank you very much for the insight. Just one question: How do you group kick and bass then if needed or wanted? What if I also want to do group processing on e.g. kick, sub, bass like compression, pultec effect etc. like many other tutorials suggest...
This is a great video. I don't think phase interaction and flipping the phase of sounds or different instruments interacting in the same frequency spectrum gets talked about enough.