From my experience no. I had audio technica m20x, and the mid frequencys just destroy ur ears everytime and mixes sound bad on other headphones and speakers
True, many people don’t listen to their music on a 400$ pair of headphones or in a acoustically treated room, but taking those measures (producers) often allow for the continuity of high quality sound on all devices. You can mix for AirPods, but then crank your music in a venue and hear all the inconsistencies, pop, fizzes, or muddled sounds.
The right pair helped me in better hearing what's going on. Went from the DT770 Pro (80ohm) to a Focal Clear MG Pro, and that was a difference between day and night. Another important thing is to get to know your headphones very well, and to keep use reference tracks while you mix to notice anything strange.
Andrew Schepps mixes with Sony MDR-7506's and Audien produced and mixed Wayfarer with Sennheiser HD 600's. That's all I needed to hear to know you can mix and master with headphones. My opinion is it's optimal do use speakers in a well treated room with Sonarworks and headphones of course.
Top video Zack. One of the very first pieces of advice I got after a track feedback a couple of years ago. Get Sound ID reference. One of the best investments I ever made. The 2nd piece of advice was..........you guessed it, reference reference reference, and the reference more 😂
Nowadays people consume music mostly of the time on their AirPods or headphones. Make sense mix music with headphones in this era. Adapt the product to the actual habits of the listeners. We don’t need no more huge expensive studios. If you want make sure about your final result buy those virtual studios plug-ins like Realphones, match the low end of your song against the reference and that’s it.
@@josepe217 well most large artists make the majority of their income touring from live shows, not streams, so mixing for the venues, stadiums, etc. becomes more important and should also translate to headphones. Rather mixing for headphones won’t translate to the venues.
you also can bring down the volume of your reference about -12dbfs (around -18LUFS) and anker your kick around -12db to have room for the master. thats how i compare my mixes to the mastered reference
Having a second pair of headphones with different sound than your main pair can also help a lot. I have the dt770 and I had translation problems because they have a dip at low/ low mids around 150- 200 hz so they hide muddy frequencies and an other one at harsh high mids. I have also a pair of 30€ edifier that even if they don’t have the detail and soundstage of the dt’s they are pronounced a bit in those frequencies that the dt are lacking. I tend to start by editing and high pass using the beyer set and then take a break and move to the edifier for bigger moves and the whole picture, then an other break listening to reference mixes through the dt’s and move to mixing more details with those, at the end I will listen to both and if it sounds good at both then most of the times the mix translates to most of the systems
Biggest obstacle for me using headphones for mixing and mastering is that I'm not able to hear stereo image properly with headphones. I quess you can develop some sense of stereo image using headphones but that propably requires huge amount of cross referencing between speakers and headphones to develop that skill. In headphones your ear receives only information from that same side channel and with speakers you will always hear both channels with both ears. You can't hear that accoustic summing between channels using headphones.
Great video, but I have a question, if I dont have a good limiter, would it be ok to just turn the reference down in volume instead of raising my mix with a cheap and bad limiter?
I have found that headphones are better to mix and master with. Using just monitors/speakers with no encapsulated signal routing creates too much natural reverb pickup from the environment. You actually want to master with 2.1 channel encoding which you can do with analog equipment (soeakers). That will rebalance your mix and help the mix harness from the distortion caused by clipping.
Ah man!! You gotta check it out. They have a trial I’m pretty sure. First time you use it, it’s strangeeee. Your hearing things differently and it actually sounds worse because you’re not used to “flat”. Overtime though you get used to it and it really helps with translation
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I dont get it! when we purchase reference monitors either speakers or headphones, they are advertising a flat frequency response, we believe it has a flat frequency response, then when you see how that frequency really is, you wonder if you have been scammed! I thought that by purchasing reference monitors, by default they should all have a flat frequency response, so again I dont fck..ing get it. Am I missing something?
"Reference" speakers and headphones approach a flat (aka "neutral") frequency response. Presumably the more expensive they are, the closer to neutral. The problem with reference speakers is that they won't do much good in a room that isn't acoustically treated. The dimensions and surface materials (wood, sheetrock, etc.) of a room (as well as furnishings and/or carpeting) play a part in how sound is reflected and, as a result, certain frequencies are emphasized, de-emphasized or canceled outright. So even if the sound coming out of the speakers is 'flat', the sound reaching your ears may not be. The use of nearfield speakers mitigates room acoustics somewhat. You can, however, treat a room (at some expense, of course). Reference headphones, on the other hand, render room acoustics irrelevant. There are pros and cons to both approaches but headphone mixing is generally more consistent and certainly less expensive than reference speakers and room treatment.
@@dsanj4745 Not to be disrespectful though, and thank you for your replay, but please tell me something I don't know, thats the point of my question. the question here is why are we are being sold a flat frequency response headphones / speakers when they are actually not. Tell me why, and ignore cheap vs expensive
When you got your own place, especially with a basement, you wont have these "disadvantages" problem. Get the Q701's headohone so you dont get distortion. Open back headphones are the way in a flag spectrum. I listen to myself and my my ears, I don't listen to these big heads.
These meme edits on your videos are a real turn off on what underlying seems like decent content. Think the core content is good, but the bad jokes are a real turn off.
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2:37 Open-back headphones DO NOT block outside noise at all. They are, however, generally considered better for mixing and mastering.
From my experience no. I had audio technica m20x, and the mid frequencys just destroy ur ears everytime and mixes sound bad on other headphones and speakers
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True, many people don’t listen to their music on a 400$ pair of headphones or in a acoustically treated room, but taking those measures (producers) often allow for the continuity of high quality sound on all devices. You can mix for AirPods, but then crank your music in a venue and hear all the inconsistencies, pop, fizzes, or muddled sounds.
The right pair helped me in better hearing what's going on. Went from the DT770 Pro (80ohm) to a Focal Clear MG Pro, and that was a difference between day and night. Another important thing is to get to know your headphones very well, and to keep use reference tracks while you mix to notice anything strange.
You made a big switch!! Sickkkk pair of headphones. Totally agree on the referencing too...SO important! ❤
Andrew Schepps mixes with Sony MDR-7506's and Audien produced and mixed Wayfarer with Sennheiser HD 600's. That's all I needed to hear to know you can mix and master with headphones. My opinion is it's optimal do use speakers in a well treated room with Sonarworks and headphones of course.
couldnt agree more!
Top video Zack. One of the very first pieces of advice I got after a track feedback a couple of years ago. Get Sound ID reference. One of the best investments I ever made. The 2nd piece of advice was..........you guessed it, reference reference reference, and the reference more 😂
Hahahaha I love it! 😂😂
hope the tips in the video can help everyone get the most out of their headphones!!! ❤👊
Wow super good content , thank you! I only use headphones and I run into this issue basically everytime.
You’re welcome! Happy this can help!
Cant wait to start the january session and learn more from you guys!
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how much is it ?
I saw that clearly and you said all the right words in this video, thank you!
👊❤️ thank YOU!
Nowadays people consume music mostly of the time on their AirPods or headphones. Make sense mix music with headphones in this era. Adapt the product to the actual habits of the listeners. We don’t need no more huge expensive studios. If you want make sure about your final result buy those virtual studios plug-ins like Realphones, match the low end of your song against the reference and that’s it.
Yup!! So important to reference the devices most people will listen on!!
What if you’re performing a venue??
@@MCjohcu what do you mean?
@@josepe217 well most large artists make the majority of their income touring from live shows, not streams, so mixing for the venues, stadiums, etc. becomes more important and should also translate to headphones. Rather mixing for headphones won’t translate to the venues.
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Thank youuuu!!
you also can bring down the volume of your reference about -12dbfs (around -18LUFS) and anker your kick around -12db to have room for the master. thats how i compare my mixes to the mastered reference
Great stuff as always. Much love zack!!
Much appreciated! ❤️👊
Having a second pair of headphones with different sound than your main pair can also help a lot.
I have the dt770 and I had translation problems because they have a dip at low/ low mids around 150- 200 hz so they hide muddy frequencies and an other one at harsh high mids. I have also a pair of 30€ edifier that even if they don’t have the detail and soundstage of the dt’s they are pronounced a bit in those frequencies that the dt are lacking.
I tend to start by editing and high pass using the beyer set and then take a break and move to the edifier for bigger moves and the whole picture, then an other break listening to reference mixes through the dt’s and move to mixing more details with those, at the end I will listen to both and if it sounds good at both then most of the times the mix translates to most of the systems
Biggest obstacle for me using headphones for mixing and mastering is that I'm not able to hear stereo image properly with headphones. I quess you can develop some sense of stereo image using headphones but that propably requires huge amount of cross referencing between speakers and headphones to develop that skill. In headphones your ear receives only information from that same side channel and with speakers you will always hear both channels with both ears. You can't hear that accoustic summing between channels using headphones.
My heart sunk after reading that title 😂
my heart sinks when i listen to my mix 🫠 hahaha
Great video, but I have a question, if I dont have a good limiter, would it be ok to just turn the reference down in volume instead of raising my mix with a cheap and bad limiter?
Great video Zack, thanks!! Also, what's the name of that song? You killed it!!
Have you tried the Slate VSX headphones? They’re pretty dope 👍🏼
I haventtttt!! They look awesome just never had a chance to work with em. Big fan of everything slate does though!
Dammit, this channel is gold.
Baby Shark still hits hard AF.
I have found that headphones are better to mix and master with. Using just monitors/speakers with no encapsulated signal routing creates too much natural reverb pickup from the environment. You actually want to master with 2.1 channel encoding which you can do with analog equipment (soeakers). That will rebalance your mix and help the mix harness from the distortion caused by clipping.
Don't worry. If you make a shitty mix, just call it lo-fi😅
Seriously, though. Reference tracks are a must! Great video
Hahaha 😂 I’m gonna use that moving forward!! Appreciate you watching and dropping the message! 👊
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Why have I not bought sound reference….I’ve been working solely on headphones for years 😅
Ah man!! You gotta check it out. They have a trial I’m pretty sure. First time you use it, it’s strangeeee. Your hearing things differently and it actually sounds worse because you’re not used to “flat”. Overtime though you get used to it and it really helps with translation
I want to learn from you . I have some experience in the production and djying industry and I want to level myself up and honestly I searched whole TH-cam and your channel and content strikes me the best so i wanna learn from best let me know how can I join cosmic academy. Cheers 🎉
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Just wanted to say that your Videos really helped me understand mixing and mastering sound much easier. Thank you!
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I would go with free APO Eq at first
Baby shark mix sounds clean though. Lol
You left Neumann NDH30 out of the list :( haha
I’m getting those this weekend it’s a must
@Viibe_4422 got them for 6 months now they're a game changer
bro you str8 up look like a vin diesel double lolol
ummm from the first test between the headphones and the studio I could clearly hear the one which was created in the studio. chalk and cheese.
I never ever use my head phones for mixing no matter how expensive they are. Nothing beats the clarity of using monitors. 👌
Totally!! Having both ideal!! ♥️👊
I dont get it! when we purchase reference monitors either speakers or headphones, they are advertising a flat frequency response, we believe it has a flat frequency response, then when you see how that frequency really is, you wonder if you have been scammed! I thought that by purchasing reference monitors, by default they should all have a flat frequency response, so again I dont fck..ing get it. Am I missing something?
"Reference" speakers and headphones approach a flat (aka "neutral") frequency response. Presumably the more expensive they are, the closer to neutral. The problem with reference speakers is that they won't do much good in a room that isn't acoustically treated. The dimensions and surface materials (wood, sheetrock, etc.) of a room (as well as furnishings and/or carpeting) play a part in how sound is reflected and, as a result, certain frequencies are emphasized, de-emphasized or canceled outright. So even if the sound coming out of the speakers is 'flat', the sound reaching your ears may not be. The use of nearfield speakers mitigates room acoustics somewhat. You can, however, treat a room (at some expense, of course).
Reference headphones, on the other hand, render room acoustics irrelevant. There are pros and cons to both approaches but headphone mixing is generally more consistent and certainly less expensive than reference speakers and room treatment.
@@dsanj4745 Not to be disrespectful though, and thank you for your replay, but please tell me something I don't know, thats the point of my question.
the question here is why are we are being sold a flat frequency response headphones / speakers when they are actually not.
Tell me why, and ignore cheap vs expensive
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When you got your own place, especially with a basement, you wont have these "disadvantages" problem. Get the Q701's headohone so you dont get distortion. Open back headphones are the way in a flag spectrum. I listen to myself and my my ears, I don't listen to these big heads.
These meme edits on your videos are a real turn off on what underlying seems like decent content. Think the core content is good, but the bad jokes are a real turn off.
We can agree to disagree ♥️👊 no love lost on my end!! Still appreciate your feedback and you watching. There are plenty of others that do enjoy that side of it…and most importantly, I enjoy it!!
I write, record, and edit these videos. If I’m not having fun, then idk how long id last doin it!
I actually like the cheese 🧀
GOLD!!!!