This is a cool idea but I still think its damaging to mix this way 100% of the time. You're training yourself to be reliant on formulas instead of putting in the work to train your ears. It's not all about being mathematically correct, part of the creative process is making sounds that are unique and imperfect.
I just tried mixing a few things after watching this video. It was actually a lot easier to achieve a clearer sound by paying more attention to suppressing inharmonic overtones 👍
i know everyone thinks this is that magic bullet but really this is what leads way to the “surgical mixing” mistakes. after someone learns about harmonics and the overtone series, they think they can fix their mix by boosting or cutting specific frequencies. then they think that they can throw back in the idea of frequency ranges by “carving out” a frequency space for everything to live in. if you think this is correct, you still need to keep working tbh mixing is about blending and balancing frequencies, and maybe 5% of the time you should be doing surgical work (or commonly known as “turd polishing”) because your source material should not require the use of such laser-like processing. it’s just not what mixing is i just want to say, this video is not the end of the road, but another stepping stone to figuring out mixing. don’t ever stop learning because even the hardened pros are constantly improving
I wonder if you heard about that 'new' ScalerEq plugin. It's an eq where you select your scale, and you can remove ONLY the inharmonic frequencies. You can also add harmonics that fits your scale. Looks like magic but I'm also afraid of phasing issues with such drastic eq...
Really informative thankyou, just want to let people know these overtones are referred to as the harmonic series, it was first realised by pythagarus around 500 bc ,which is even more mind blowing. Don’t think pythagarus was mixing and using plugins though,
Yeah... now try to apply that to a piano! Where you have fundamentals all over the place, each one with complex harmonics. A lot of this becomes a bit irrelevant, and we're back to the basic questions of: is it muddy? Is it honky or harsh? Boomy? Then that "old" way of thinking is still useful. 😊 Monophonic instruments, like bass, vocal, individual drums, etc. are more easily served by this technique, where you can easily see the fundamental. Piano, guitar, organ, string sections? Not so much.
Honestly if you look at the lowest fundamental to begin with as the video implies, you can't miss it, also by observing the tonal balance (I e against pink noise) you will be a mazed at how balanced a piano sound can turn out to be. Cheers!
Hello, Sage! I learned some things from you and also, I made a new mixing technique that will enrich pretty much any mix, especially if it's a modern genre! Simply add the static phaser effect to the side signal of the mix, but of course, make sure you slightly turn the side channel volume down in order to stop phase cancellation from happening! I used Guitar Rig 7 Pro to do this, btw, but you can simply divide the master signal into 2 buses (one mid bus and one side bus) if you want to do that for free. Then you use the Phaser plugin from Kilohearts Essentials (which is free btw), then completely turn off the depth and rate down to 0 percent, and then you can play around with other knobs of this effect, but make sure to use both dry and wet signals so that you can hear them both. And then slightly turn down the volume of the side channel to stop the phase cancellation from happening and voila! The enriched mix ready for listening! Tell me what you think about it when you try it out! :)
I can see applying your method to a bass dr, snare, hi-hat, and Tom's. Single note Instruments. How would you apply it to an Instrument that's constantly changing the pitch ?
he pretty clearly explained that on a vocal, which is constantly changing a pitch. I think this is to help find the range for any instrument based on their fundamental, and their corresponding harmonic ranges. so that the ranges aren’t arbitrary, they’re specific to the instrument.
How do you approach material differently when it's an acoustic guitar say, vs. a supersaw or something synthetic? I'm hesitant to do any sort of "surgical EQ" on an instrument's natural timbre; especially a hollow-bodied acoustic instrument which has a lot of "non-musical" and "disharmonious" characteristics that most listeners would describe as "warm and musical" (even if incorrect; pleasing sounds are pleasing even if it's due to familiarity alone.)
I see what you mean but I bet it’s still useful to know fundamentals and harmonics for mixing. I will say 2 commercials breaks in a 10 min video is pretty wild. Kind of annoying
OK nice math but ears are still the best way if it sounds good and feels right then you on your way , will it become a hit , that is a whole diffrent ball game. the math for that is $$$$$$$$$$
Uhhhh.... Okay, learn Fundamentals & Overtones. Check. Disregard all advice from every mixer that has ever mixed? WTF? Why is this an either/or? Everyone I know does both. And targeting Fundamentals & Overtones is great on many, but not all, Individual Instruments/Sources. But what about Group Busses, Pianos, Pads?
Well why would they work with you? Why not learn as they're learning to write a song. If their stuff was going to go anywhere it would be taken care of by someone else. People shouldn't waste their money on a mid song to get it to sound a little bit better. Also if you know how to EQ guitar or vocals that stuff obviously transfers to the whole thing.
Very useful for the songs performed on one note. God help us if someone plays two or more different notes at the same time 😅
Very good for me, a techno artist. 😂
This is a cool idea but I still think its damaging to mix this way 100% of the time. You're training yourself to be reliant on formulas instead of putting in the work to train your ears. It's not all about being mathematically correct, part of the creative process is making sounds that are unique and imperfect.
I think he’s saying use is a weapon.
Rite
I just tried mixing a few things after watching this video. It was actually a lot easier to achieve a clearer sound by paying more attention to suppressing inharmonic overtones 👍
i know everyone thinks this is that magic bullet but really this is what leads way to the “surgical mixing” mistakes. after someone learns about harmonics and the overtone series, they think they can fix their mix by boosting or cutting specific frequencies. then they think that they can throw back in the idea of frequency ranges by “carving out” a frequency space for everything to live in. if you think this is correct, you still need to keep working tbh
mixing is about blending and balancing frequencies, and maybe 5% of the time you should be doing surgical work (or commonly known as “turd polishing”) because your source material should not require the use of such laser-like processing. it’s just not what mixing is
i just want to say, this video is not the end of the road, but another stepping stone to figuring out mixing. don’t ever stop learning because even the hardened pros are constantly improving
I agree, a "good mix" can make a bad recording a little less sh*t
This is GREAT information, and when I started to mix this way it turned EVERYTHING around for me. THANKS for the awesome vid!
Extremely well made video, and informational as well. Will be very helpful in leveling up my mixes
this was the video that made eqing good after months of struggle
I wonder if you heard about that 'new' ScalerEq plugin. It's an eq where you select your scale, and you can remove ONLY the inharmonic frequencies. You can also add harmonics that fits your scale. Looks like magic but I'm also afraid of phasing issues with such drastic eq...
Really informative thankyou, just want to let people know these overtones are referred to as the harmonic series, it was first realised by pythagarus around 500 bc ,which is even more mind blowing.
Don’t think pythagarus was mixing and using plugins though,
Yeah... now try to apply that to a piano! Where you have fundamentals all over the place, each one with complex harmonics.
A lot of this becomes a bit irrelevant, and we're back to the basic questions of: is it muddy? Is it honky or harsh? Boomy?
Then that "old" way of thinking is still useful. 😊
Monophonic instruments, like bass, vocal, individual drums, etc. are more easily served by this technique, where you can easily see the fundamental. Piano, guitar, organ, string sections? Not so much.
Honestly if you look at the lowest fundamental to begin with as the video implies, you can't miss it, also by observing the tonal balance (I e against pink noise) you will be a mazed at how balanced a piano sound can turn out to be. Cheers!
Hello, Sage!
I learned some things from you and also, I made a new mixing technique that will enrich pretty much any mix, especially if it's a modern genre!
Simply add the static phaser effect to the side signal of the mix, but of course, make sure you slightly turn the side channel volume down in order to stop phase cancellation from happening!
I used Guitar Rig 7 Pro to do this, btw, but you can simply divide the master signal into 2 buses (one mid bus and one side bus) if you want to do that for free. Then you use the Phaser plugin from Kilohearts Essentials (which is free btw), then completely turn off the depth and rate down to 0 percent, and then you can play around with other knobs of this effect, but make sure to use both dry and wet signals so that you can hear them both. And then slightly turn down the volume of the side channel to stop the phase cancellation from happening and voila! The enriched mix ready for listening!
Tell me what you think about it when you try it out! :)
@@promickeyartist seems cool on snares
thanks for a well explained point
2 in video ad breaks built in to a 10 min video is impressively heavy. Good ideas just prob don’t need 2
I can see applying your method to a bass dr, snare, hi-hat, and Tom's. Single note Instruments. How would you apply it to an Instrument that's constantly changing the pitch ?
I would use wider curves. Sometimes it helps to be precise but usually the best EQ shapes are broad and gentle.
Surfer EQ
Ignore the harmonics and get the range you need with a wider q.
This video, at least to me, is just impractical.
he pretty clearly explained that on a vocal, which is constantly changing a pitch. I think this is to help find the range for any instrument based on their fundamental, and their corresponding harmonic ranges. so that the ranges aren’t arbitrary, they’re specific to the instrument.
@@Tarune__ but that's he thing... there is no range if the pitch is constantly changing.
Too bad was too short you should make more videos one of the best videos explaining this subject out there
Thank You ❤...You are revealing some hidden 💎 gems...
This is why I subscribed to your channel...
you're the best thank you
I’m just gonna put soundgoodizer on each channel and hope for the best 🤞
Excellent!
Thanks sage
What do you think about the idea redesigning audio engineering ear training exercises using frequencies that relate to musical pitches?
Thank you
Cool… But it’s still of advantage to know of the characteristics of a divided Hz spectrum!
How do you approach material differently when it's an acoustic guitar say, vs. a supersaw or something synthetic? I'm hesitant to do any sort of "surgical EQ" on an instrument's natural timbre; especially a hollow-bodied acoustic instrument which has a lot of "non-musical" and "disharmonious" characteristics that most listeners would describe as "warm and musical" (even if incorrect; pleasing sounds are pleasing even if it's due to familiarity alone.)
Superb!!!😊
This sounds like Algebra
...just simple multiplication.
How do you findthe disharmonies overtones in vocals? Because i guess there is no math, but somehow u know how to find them
Your best tool: listening w your ears 😊
You Can audition a filter tange in most eqs, makes it Easier
i can see this work with a three note bassline...
I see what you mean but I bet it’s still useful to know fundamentals and harmonics for mixing. I will say 2 commercials breaks in a 10 min video is pretty wild. Kind of annoying
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How do you manage to take the soul out of music this is fucking crazy 😭😭😭
OK nice math but ears are still the best way if it sounds good and feels right then you on your way , will it become a hit , that is a whole diffrent ball game. the math for that is $$$$$$$$$$
Doesn’t work for free jazz
Nothing does.
OK
Lol nope
Uhhhh....
Okay, learn Fundamentals & Overtones. Check.
Disregard all advice from every mixer that has ever mixed? WTF?
Why is this an either/or?
Everyone I know does both.
And targeting Fundamentals & Overtones is great on many, but not all, Individual Instruments/Sources.
But what about Group Busses, Pianos, Pads?
Well why would they work with you? Why not learn as they're learning to write a song. If their stuff was going to go anywhere it would be taken care of by someone else. People shouldn't waste their money on a mid song to get it to sound a little bit better. Also if you know how to EQ guitar or vocals that stuff obviously transfers to the whole thing.
Wrong u need drums and vox right
U sound like a narc btw
Keep cooking, you're clearly passionate about mixing techniques. As you learn you're going to have a very useful toolkit.