using fan baiting is nothing original, while the whole killing off main character while he is weak and pathetic is something you might notice in 90% of products these days. First it's nice and original, as it gets emotion of you. Then it's tiring as it's everywhere. In the end it's just sick how unoriginal that is, but it does allow the gender swap to happen. While any negative reaction gets placed as something sexists, racists, homophobic ect. The message is everywhere, fan baiting is profitable. No actual work is needed, because any nostalgia can be used to create buzz, help the sales, get the cheap emotion out. In Pro Wrestling culture, we call it squashing the babyface in the upset. It does ton of damage to the whole product on the long run, but it creates one moment which gets a huge pop. Like cashing out the check. Sad to see it happen to a series this short (only second game). No soul, while it may seem like they did something even Dunkey felt the impact. From 2016 until now, most big franchises used the fan baiting. Many fandoms feeling hurt as their favorite franchises that they have big attachment from young age got used. I don't know, you may think I am being dumb here. I just know you will see it when the time comes. It's a one trick pony after all.
@@MrTeamGuy So what you're mad about is the fan baiting right? Because that's all I'm seeing here Firstly please remind me of all the other games where the sequel involves one of the main characters dying. Besides that, did you even watch the video? There's no need to misconstrue it, people are genuinely mad about the game because they are racists and homophobes. Not all of them, but the ones that are literally type it out in their reviews/comments... idk what there is to pretend about... yes the fan baiting happened, but if that's all you're mad about, just say that without typing out the rest of this thesis
@@howdoifindaname2743 Yeah, that is my only problem. Could say it's my personal nitpick that hits close to home. I wrote a ton to explain in case people don't understand :)
The worst part of this video was running past the rifle ammo without picking it up. I physically recoiled in horror. Dunkey is truly a monster for this.
"If I was a sellout, you know what I would do? I would read the room, go 'oh look, everyone hates this game,' and I'd pander to fucking idiots" Dunkey spittin' fiery truth
Yah when i got to play as the lego joker it really made me sympathize with the so called "villian" and reconsider my motivations as a protagonist. Not like shitty the last of us 2
I hate the last of us 2. Not because of the story, but because of the fact that we can’t play as a giraffe. Naughty dog should reconsider selling the company to me.
Watching XQC play this drove me insane. The scene where Joel confesses to Ellie about what he did that day at the hospital and Ellie gets mad his chat just spams stuff like "???????????????" "OKAY DUDE". Like why? How is this confusing or infuriating to you that Ellie is upset about the lies and murder?
@@JewishFrog he just uses satire to point out how stupid some people can be, and he takes peoples actual criticisms seriously. But if you have a problem with a comedy TH-camr using comedy in his videos, I'll leave you to it
If they make a third The Last of Us game it should be called The Rest of Us and only feature obscure side characters and the giraffe. Actually, it should just be the giraffe.
there is a point somewhere between casual talking and high-falutin critical analysis and Dunkey plays both sides at the same time, excellently. Telling hard, nuanced truths in the most sincere and authentic way. this video still holds up and is fucking great
My theory is that people who got spoiled before launch felt the intended hatred towards Abby that Ellie felt, but they couldn't channel those emotions towards actually playing the game like you're supposed to. Instead, they directed their hatred toward the game itself
Good point! I genuinely believe that if the game didn't get spoiled and didn't have all "those" youtubers riding the hate bandwagon doubling down on the amount of hate the game got, it wouldn't have gotten NEARLY as much hate
While I definitely agree with your point-as many people don't handle spoilers well-there is still something to be said about the execution of plot. Dunkey brings up a valid point that it's realistic for Joel to let his guard down after all of these years, and that stupid, insignificant errors are often what bring people down. However, I agree with Luke Stephen's review that the circumstances of Joel's death still have an air of contrivance to them, which doesn't help in selling his death as a good direction to take the story. The story was definitely more focused on Ellie's quest for vengeance clashing against Abby's vengeance needs, and how "eye for an eye leaves the world blind."; how seeking revenge and killing someone in retaliation often doesn't offer the catharsis you hope it will. So, in some ways, Joel went from being an integral character to a plot device, which isn't the best way to sell the narrative to a wide audience who are attached to the character. Joel's presence in Ellie's life and memories is important to her character development in the game, but Joel as a character himself does seem to be sidelined. At the end of the day, I think the story went in the best direction the writers could think of, but I can understand it being unsatisfying beyond unexpected spoilers.
@@spikysmoothness Ellie was known to be a main protagonist since the game was announced. The real backlash didn't happen until Abby got leaked as a second protagonist and Joel's killer, which happened just a few months before launch
Maybe for the initial few who formed their own opinion of it. But then for the highly vocal majority, it's just pure bandwagoning. Most of the people shit talking the game didn't even play the first game to get some sort of emotional attachment on it. And as you can see, with the common opinion now being that liking TLOU2 is more acceptable, you're gonna see more people agree on the point that despising the game and calling it an actually badly designed game before was just silly. Even if they were literally the ones who were spouting that very shit. Don't think too much on it, clearly they don't.
Going to hell in Doom 2016 was actually something I enjoyed being surprised by. I mean, it is Doom, but so much of the start takes place on an invaded Mars that it’s not immediately obvious! It’s also where you get to hear the legendary testament.
@Maester Gryphon But Dante also goes to purgatory and heaven throughly exploring each place and meeting many famous historical figures that help Dante along his spiritual journey. Dooms story has a lot less tact imo, it's go to hell to kill the big bad and other little bads. Doom has lore and a story but I honestly can't care about it as there's no characters that draw me in. Doom is not a game that prides itself on story but rather gameplay
@@hughjaenus2235without spoilers, people would have actually used their brains instead of following the Internet mob to hate the game blindly without understanding what the game is trying to make you feel by it’s story. Instead we have retards who have not even played the game and mumbling shit that isn’t true most of the time or irrelevant with the game.
It's still unbelievable to me that liking this game can trigger so many people, making them go crazy. Like who the hell cares, some people will like the game, some people won't.
It's hard to hate something and have any enjoyment out of it without telling at least someone why. If you are happy about something, you don't actually need any boost. I don't know much about this title, but boy oh boy I would be floored to see any of my beloved game characters go out like that. It would absolutely ruin my will to play next part if it ever happened.
@@Lemonincense Immature? Do you have any idea what that word means? Just because something or someone is making you emotional, doesn't mean you are immature. You can act on it in immature way, yes but having emotions is something human, not childish.
@@dragoncrashhero12 So, we have The Last of Us Part II, Final Fantasy VII Remake and Kingdom Heart 358/2 days all combined in one comment. And here I thought Smash Bros was the greatest crossover ever made
I've yet to play through FF7 Remake and I really don't appreciate Dunkey just spoiling a huge plot point so suddenly. Guess he did put in the disclaimer after the fact but jesus rip me for being an hour one viewer..
About Joel trusting Abby's gang.... Joel's problem in game one is that he can't let anyone get close to him because of losing Sarah. He's a man trapped in the worst moment of his life, like Sisko at the beginning of DS9. Ellie has *just* gone through a lot of trauma just before she met Joel. At the end of the game, Joel and Ellie think of each other as father and daughter. As Joel lets Ellie in and accepts her as his daughter, his faith in life has been renewed. He sees value in community and human connection. He has a family. His adopted daughter lives nearby. He's no longer estranged from his brother. He's found a community. Friends. He owns a home. He's making art. Whittling. Playing guitar. He participates in patrols, far more community driven than the days of him and Tess smuggling for ration cards. Most importantly, Ellie had just agreed to try and work on getting past his monumental gaslighting levels of global proportions about her immunity. Despite him taking away her agency, lying to her for years about robbing her of a meaningful death. She's willing to work on it. Because she cares about him. Joel trusts Abby because he has grown to care about people. Because he has fundamentally changed due to the events of the first game. It's badic character growth. He no longer sees all other humans from a distance. Character growth, which, unfortunately, is his downfall.
Agreed, and even then he doesn’t say his name to the group very easily. In fact, it’s Tommy blabbering about town and how they’re brothers. Once that’s established, Joel just says his name with a kind of hesitant tone.
The discourse surrounding The Last Of Us 2 is such shit precisely because it's filled with a bunch of people who either A. didn't actually play the game or B. Refused to engage with what the game is actually about. Culminating with bad faith takes regarding its tone, writing, and characters that are essentially "I don't like what you did to my favorite character" rant. Is that valid argument? Sure. But I'd rather people honest that that's the reason rather than make up shit to "get revenge." Because that's all it really was.
you are forgetting the world these people live in, despite being more open and caring Joel still survived 20 years as a survivor, smuggler and former hunter. Its not saving abby that's the issue, in fact, it would make sense for him to save her considering tommy is there and they are right outside jackson. The issue is, when he goes back to abbys base and sees numerous heavily armed strangers with militia badges and decides to leave his weapons and bag on his horse. He has no caution with these strangers, and decides to walk carefree and without any caution into the middle of the room and in front of all these strangers and even tells all these armed strangers with militia badges his name. This is so uncharacteristic from Joel, even from what we see in TLOU2, I'm pretty sure there is a flashback where jesse mentions how Joel gives him a hard time about patrols and about being more careful lmao, and don't even get me started with how cautious this man was in the first game, being able to spot a hunter attack instantly. Plus even if he has become more open and caring, that doesn't mean he would lose his caution and survivor expertise, he even tells ellie in one of the flashbacks that she needs to keep her mask on even though its just the 2 of them in case a stranger sees her, showing how he is still always likes to keep it safe. The decisions joel makes are completely out of line with his cautious nature and they don't make sense for someone who who survived 20 years in the apocalypse.
@@8pija22 Hating something including a trans person isnt the same as hating trans people. Its more likely people are annoyed with the motivations and/or pressure devs recieve to include certain things to seem inclusive.
I read your comment in Dunkey's voice and it sounds stupid. Also I read this comment in his voice and I sound stupid. In fact I'm reading it in his voice just as I type this and I feel stupid.
The “Bill was gay” part was really funny, just goes to show that a lot of people couldn’t pick up details that weren’t even that hidden in the first place.
they didn’t read any of the notes just killed everything in their way. these same people are the ones who didn’t read any of the notes in this game and realize everyone is getting tired of the killing.
Despite the fact that gay people are plentiful in society and always have been, it's considered political to add a gay character because of American conservative culture war BS. These are the same morons that hate SJWs and "cancel culture" and fail to see the irony with what they're doing to people that come out and say they like the game.
dunkey replied to that entire side of peoples' argument about the homosexual content in one concise, beautiful fifteen second segment and didn't bother to touch on it again because he's not a piss-baby who shits their diapers the second anything even remotely tagged as 'sjw' enters their domain. swear to god, these commenters who spout that bull will take any excuse to get pissed at something.
I think it depends on how psychologically forgiving you are as a person defines if you liked it or not. For me, I absolutely hated Abby and thus the game Seeing people empathising with Abby, tells me I got deeper personal issues to deal with. Like pineapple pizza.
It’s been a while since I played the first one, so I detached a little more than some other people may have from Joel and Ellie’s relationship, but tbh I fully started siding with Abby and actually wanted to kill Ellie in the theatre. Abby did kill Joel, but only because he killed her dad. Then Ellie goes on to kill literally everyone Abby was ever close to. Kind of terrible for Abby.
@@Sonylombax Yeah I felt the same way, and I think that’s sort of the intent of the story, but most players were too attached to Ellie & Joel and/or didn’t get pulled in enough by Lev’s storyline that was intended to grab you by emulating Ellie and Joel’s story from LoU 1.
@@Resht3 Dunkey having opinions different from the very niche part of "gamers" Some dumbass: "This guy is just looking to be controversial; There is no way he could actually disagree with my opinion."
As far as I know, Bonobos don't have a lot of issues with homosexuality. In fact, they hardly have any problems with anyone or anything. They are just about the most peaceful, easy going of all the apes. It would've made more sense to call him a Chimpanzee. Chimps are insane.
Actually, Shadow, Rouge, and Eggman are the good guys because Sonic and crew steal Chao from their homes, enslave, beat and torture them, then make them compete in blood sports in Sonic Adventure 1. The story takes its most dramatic twist when Shadow and co. also realize it's more fun to do that than anything else in the game.
The fact that there are people who judged the game before playing it and think their opinion should be taken seriously will never not be baffling to me.
There's a big difference between "it looks bad" and "it is bad." I got crap for saying I didn't want to watch Squid Game because it looked bad. I was told I couldn't judge it until I watched it and yeah that's true. However so many people saying "TLOU2 is bad and I'm never playing it!" Absolute drones.
If I judged it before playing it, I would've been spared what is now the biggest disappointment of any game I've ever played. Not even mad that Joel died btw and don't give a fuck about politics. Sounds like they dodged a bullet. And saved a buck.
My take on the ending is that Ellie spared Abby as a way to forgive Joel. You have a character whose one selfish act killed a girl’s father, destroyed a community, left the survivors to rot in their grief, and then all of the events of the game, all the friends killed between Ellie and Abby, tommy being maimed for life. I think Ellie knew that Abby didn’t deserve to die, and so to pay for Joel’s sins she does not avenge him. And in doing so Ellie absolves herself of Joels mistakes, as a way to forgive him
Yeah that's one of the best ways to understand this story, I think that there's some people that couldn't undestand it but the majority of people din't WANT to understand it because a youtuber told them that it was "politcal" and "woke"
To add to that, a lot of what happens to Abby was like making her walk in Joel's shoes. She is traumatized by the murder of a family member, forges a bond with someone younger which helps relieve that pain, and sacrifices so much for that one person. In a way, Abby became like Joel. She even shares some gameplay similarities with him, like using shivs. So when Ellie spared Abby and let her go, it was also the closest thing Ellie could get to forgiving Joel now.
The best one I've read so far is Ellie suffers from PTSD by experiencing Joel's death. This triggers her into a panic attack when the barn door slams shut. It also explains why she feels forced to pursue Abby alone, even though Abby would've died on the stake if she never went after her (smth she didn't know at the time, but nonetheless, she felt compelled to pursue this memory instead of allowing it to rest). In a way, it's a compulsion instead of a decision she willingly makes. Think of it as this trauma being a thorn in her side, and that thorn can only be pulled out if Abby is killed, considering Abby is the source (ie the rose) of said thorn. This is how PTSD mainly works and people who don't get "revenge" will often be resentful towards their loved ones and society for not helping them get rid of this imbalance in justice they experience. However, on the beach, we see Ellie having a vivid memory of Joel. This happens right after she loses her fingers and her memory of Joel forces her to recognize this might disable her to play his song. I'm making a very long-winded way of saying that she tried to remember Joel by being like Joel instead of herself. That one memory reminds her of who she is. Ellie is creative, we see her making songs, drawing, writing. Violence isn't her way of dealing with things, but the anxiety that goes along with PTSD and the people she's surrounded with force her to believe this is the right way to deal with Joel's death. Only in the end, by remembering the positive effect SHE had on Joel, by turning him into a softhearted old man that picked up the guitar again, that cared more about finding coffee than killing fireflies, that could be a father again like he used to be with Sarah, reminds her who she really is or at least the ideals she holds true to herself. That's why she gives up. She's not doing the right thing, she's simply not doing the wrong thing to prevent herself from becoming a savage. We've seen in the first game Ellie isn't afraid to kill. Remember that boss fight in the tavern when Joel was sick and we played as Ellie? When she kills that guy, Joel has to stop her because she's going berserk. I think Ellie is afraid of that side of herself, but in TLOU2 she gives in, and only in the end she snaps out of it. Maybe she's afraid she got out of control once again, maybe she has that memory of Joel beause he was the only one who saved her from becoming a savage, to have a life where creativity instead of violence is her raison d'être, but now it's taken a toll. She doesn't have Joel to save her, she's lost her loved ones, and she even lost his song. Like Dunkey says, she went out of control, thereby losing everything, including her sense of self. I think that's exactly why so many people hate this game: it shows one of our favorite characters turning into a savage, failing, and we're not used to this kind of storytelling. It's much closer to Russian literature than American because it lacks obvious irony like American Psycho for example, it gives ambiguity to who is good or evil by providing both sides of the story, which I think is a very profound choice to make the story work and gain that gravity we wouldn't get if we're just supposed to root for Ellie all the way to the end. I can agree with you that she might recognize herself in Abbie, and this eye for an eye thing should have ended after Joel's death. That Abbie is a good person, just like Ellie used to be a good person, and they both got corrupted by losing their father so violently. This is just the explanation I prefer because I personally adhere to the philosophy that we all carry both good and evil within us and that whatever those terms mean are very ambiguous and are also dependant on the culture we live in and how we fill those in individually. It also takes the psychological process Ellie goes through as the story progresses into account, which is more important imo than trying to reduce a 30+ hour game into a simple moral.
@@TheMIKESK8 I love it when certain people complain about politics in games and then you see their favorite games are The Last Of Us 1 and Fallout New Vegas or other games with very obvious political themes.
“I can’t think of any other game where you stop halfway through and play as the villains the rest of the game” Dude how could you forget about angry birds Star Wars 2
The first Dishonored has an entire DLC where you play as the villain, killing another villain... . I know it's a DLC which is optional, but hey, it's there. It exists.
It's 2022 and I just finished TLOU II. It's a shame, but I put it off for so long cause it was ruined from the beginning by the bandwagon. I hated the story at first, naturally because of what happened with Joel. But after the first few hours, I really started to enjoy it. At first, I hated playing as Abby, this monster, but by the end, I was practically begging Ellie to spare her. I never felt like it was a forced emotional thing, just a slow build-up of connection I wasn't even aware of until I was near the end. I don't think you can get the whole scope, even story-wise, without playing it yourself.
I remember playing through it and thinking her being on the farm with Dina was the end, I was happy with this, it felt like an ending. Then Tommy came back as a symbol of what waited for Ellie if she chose to continue her pursuit for revenge. I saw her leave Dina and the entire time I was just whispering to myself "no no no no" I wanted to scream at Ellie to tell her to turn around to go home that all she was doing was ruining her one chance at a happy life. Then we found Abby literally crucified, and I had to pause the game and take a breath from what I was seeing. A culmination of this warpath brought her to her enemy, defeated, having given up on living, subjected to one of the worst forms of death penalty in human record. And yet it wasn't enough for Ellie, her emotions were so detached and destroyed she was incapable of feeling empathy. I was relieved that Ellie didn't kill Abby, not for the sake of Abby, though that was a secondary thought, but mainly for the hope of redemption for Ellie. If she killed Abby she never would've been able to return to Wyoming, she would've been so thoroughly shucked from her emotions that she would've returned to a solitary life telling herself she could only rely on herself, but she was able to finally let it go and prove she is not controlled by the past. I loved this story. But honestly this is also where I want it to end, I don't think there should be another game to continue Ellie's story, I want another game but from someone else's perspective, maybe the baby that she was helping Dina raise. But I like this being the end of what we see from Ellie.
I just got it on the Black Friday sale and finished earlier this month. I already knew about Joel's death and the ending (vaguely) because of the original leaks and fiasco. I haven't been this engaged with a game since Elden Ring came out. Once I actually experienced the story, I totally understood it and felt it emotionally. Playing this on hard mode was an adrenaline pumping and strategic adventure. The original backlash was what made me come to terms with the right leaning political toxicity in gaming. The story isn't always pleasant and quite depressing, but it isn't SJW garbage.
"The quartering" or something like that made 70 videos about "terrible tlou 2 plot" and didn't even play the game ONCE. That's really the only thing you should know about these hate bandwagons, stay away from them because they are just cash grabs making money on your anger. Anger for a reason they made up on the spot.
Same!! Just finished last week and I can't get the game out of my head! Incredible gameplay, graphics, world building, level design, and characters. By the time I got to Santa Barbara, I was exhausted just like Ellie. The final fight had me wincing, I just wanted them to stop! The game made me feel so many things!
Takes me back to when the TLOU2 Subreddit devolved into vicious transphobia over a charakter that isn't even trans. Gamers really are a special breed sometimes.
I feel like everyone missed the point. This wasn't a 20 minute video defending The Last of Us: Part II. That was all just context for its true purpose: a review of Days Gone.
Bizarre as hell, man. Couldn't even understand the reaction when this came out. I bought it day one at midnight and finished it without really hearing any of the blowback, thought it was brilliant for the most part and truly was baffled that so many people were shitting on it once I started looking at the feedback online. Does it all really just come down to:"I play as a villain for too long, and I don't like gays"? Pathetic, man. Nobody seemed to care much about it in the original as you pointed out, and why would they? It was just another part of who the guy was, not some "in your face agenda". I hate that even showing a gay character in a story is suddenly pushing an "agenda". Such horseshit.
100% Especially how showing gay chars is 'pushing an agenda.' I hate when people say that, bc if Dina was replaced with a man, they wouldn't whine at all. Because it doesn't change ANYTHING about the story.
Dude I’m a part of the lgbtq and still hate the game not because of them pushing an agenda but the unsatisfying ending, the convoluted story, and them killing Joel with a fucking golf club in the first few hours of the game
Yeah being lgbtq I love the game and all but the gay and trans stuff has so little attention drawn to it in the grand scheme, like they’re just normal people who HAPPEN to be lgbtq, the story itself does not center on that. Ellie gets called a homophobic slur at one point and Lev gets deadnamed, not cause the game is “preaching” but because those are things that gay and trans folk deal with in real life. That’s our normal, it would honestly be a lot more unrealistic if every character was a straight cis guy and nobody was ever prejudiced.
Actually, the people who hate it have more motivation to voice their discontent, while the ones that like it don't. So saying it's "gamers" in general is wrong.
@@Maxaker no its definitely gamers, you guys genuinely have no critical thinking skills outside of whatever your favorite anti sjw youtuber tells you to be mad about this week
The game's point is to come to terms with hatred and put it aside. People should never hate dunkey for liking Last of Us 2. They should hate him for putting Little Debbie Chocolate Chip Mini Muffins as an F tier muffin. Those bitches are S tier, fattening godsent goodness, and everyone besides him knows it.
I finally played both games and can finally share an informed opinion and watch this video. I did not like the Last of Us 2. When I played the Last of Us, I lost my sister and job, moved away from friends and family and never felt so alone. So when I played as a man running on empty, and got to experience having a daughter I'd never had, it was amazing. I felt myself revitalized. The ending made me feel again, and left me with hope for Ellie and Joel. Last of Us 2 robbed me of that hope. It made me furious to witness the cruel murder of the man like me. It made me furious to see the hope I had result in a cycle of murder and bad relationships. It made me furious that I formed empathy for the person responsible because of a decision I made. I didn't want to feel angry, I wanted to feel happy. So I hated Last of Us 2 for betraying me like this, but that's what made it such an incredible, memorable story. The game robbed me again, it robbed me of the catharsis of revenge that it gave Abby so mercilessly before. And it was only at that moment that I remembered that the hope I dreamed of was still possible thanks to that same person who killed me. Last of Us 2 was a great game that ended on the hope I once had for the world, even if it's one that no longer had me in it. Needed Donkey Kong though so 1/10.
people cant tell that the anger they feel about joels death was entirely intentional, it was done to align the players motives with ellie's. very smart actually, it doesnt matter that you dont have choice in the game, because if done right, you would have done the same thing anyway
Yes and no. That doesn't explain playing as Abby, which was frustrating because I didn't like her character. Meanwhile, I started to dislike Ellie as the game progressed but mainly because her life is so depressing and empty and she has to kill so many people just to get near Abby.
@Gretchaninov Playing as Abby wasn't meant for you to like and if you did that's a plus. The point was for you to see her side of things because often times we dehumanize our "villians" and we hated her with no context and wanted her dead. With revenge there is no good or bad guy. It's simply to show the consequences and the spiral of your actions. We loved joel regardless of the terrible things he's done and hate Abby for avenging her father. It's quite simple.
@@agentshadycia258 Don't worry, I completely got it. You see, the game beat me over the head with that message for hours and hours on end. It's a very predictable and typical message these days. Disney has been doing the same trite crap with their putrid live action remakes. All of a sudden, every villain has a "point of view" which justifies their actions. I call BS. There is such a thing as evil. The context changes everything. Initiating an attack against an innocent person is one thing. Protecting an innocent person is another. Hitler invading Poland is one thing, the allies invading Normandy is another. Or do you see them as the same thing? I haven't played TLOU for a long time. But Joel was likeable because he cared for Ellie and had lost so much himself. He did not kill indiscriminately, he killed to survive. And he protected Ellie who was important in many ways. Joel was good in a realistic way, not a 1-dimensional way. He wasn't a Mary Sue, but he made tough decisions and felt like a genuinely good person in an unforgiving and terrifying world. Abby is just dull in comparison. She's not remotely interesting as a character. And her motivations are far less noble. Sure, her father was killed, but she should be angry about WHY, not only that he died. Once she found out that he was going to kill a girl (without Ellie or Joel's consent), she should have been angry about that. If a family member of yours attempted murder, would you side with them? What Abby did was compulsive and evil. And the game tried to mess with us by making us play as Abby and artificially having her look after other characters, as if that justified her killing Joel. She's just nowhere near as interesting. Both Abby and Ellie kill a lot of people in this game for no reason. Also, the game makes Joel look stupid. He saves Abby who then betrays him. That makes her look even worse, but it also throws away the intelligence and strength we know him for. It's easier for the game to make Abby a big deal by tearing down something we care about than for them to build her up by herself. Imagine alternating between playing as Joel and playing as Abby. Nobody would want the Abby part because she's so boring. So they had to kill him and try to lecture us about it. You can keep insisting this is some brave, deep and noble statement. But I don't think you sincerely believe that. It's a patronising and predictable message, and a deeply flawed one. Not all revenge is the same. Abby's father was not innocent, he was about to commit murder. Joel's actions were justified. Abby's "revenge" was not. And all the time playing her was a waste.
@@Gretchaninovalot to unpack there I’ll just point out that Joel let his guard down because he grew to be more of a father for Ellie and ultimately softened his exterior
@@jackal2543 I agree, as a straight white man, I have to say Days Gone is best story & graphics in history of gaming even though I never played it and I'm of puerto rican decent.
“No one even mentions sexual orientation in the first game” Joel + Tess Tommy + his wife Any of the many mentions of husbands/wives/girlfriends/boyfriends Straight is an orientation, babeeeeee
Dude just because there’s some vague semblance of representation of hetero people, doesn’t mean there’s any tension. No one who’s ever got to second base ever thought Joel and Tess were gonna smash, same with Tommy and Maria. The only sexual tension exhibited by straight people in the series is between Abby and Owen. Go masturbate, then touch grass.
I liked Last Of Us 2. It was real. In reality you don't get what you want most of the time. Reality is ugly, unfair, and often illogical. Humans are often unethical and complicated. People change their minds about important things all the time. I can relate to Elle changing her mind about killing Abby at the last second. I was abused multiple times physically, emotionally, and molested as a kid by 2 cousins and an uncle. As an adult I wanted to somehow get revenge on those that hurt me. But through therapy, meditation, and a higher power, I learned to forgive and let it go. It's in the past and living in the past can hold you back and make you miserable. Holding on to so much hate is not healthy. It can cause heart problems, blood pressure issues, anxiety, and depression. For the longest I tried to figure out why those abuses toward me happened. I was looking for reason in illogical occurrences. It took me a long time to understand that it's something that simply happened. There's no explanation other than those family members found someone they could do whatever they want to and exploited the situation. It's as simple as older stronger people taking advantage of younger weaker people just because they can. I know divine revenge is not always the case. But those that abused me paid for their misdeeds. One of those cousins got testicular cancer and had to have 1 testicle removed. The other contracted an incurable STD and now can't get a girlfriend as a result. The uncle got colon cancer and now has a colostomy bag. I normally wouldn't wish any of this on anyone. Though, considering what those abusers did to me on multiple occasions, I'd say they got what they deserve. If they did that stuff to me as a kid, they likely did it to other people. So I have no sympathy for their situations. You act like an asshole, then your asshole gets cancer. You molest a child, then nature takes your testicle or you become a walking disease that no woman wants to get near. Abby too got what she deserved, she got caught by The Rattlers and was forced to be a slave. She lost a lot of weight as a slave so she was imprisoned for a long time. Then she was crucified and left for dead. Again, I wouldn't wish that on anyone usually. But Abby was pretty awful and got what she deserved. Killing Abby wouldn't have changed anything. But letting the pain of loss go will. I'm glad Elle learned to let the past go and can now move on to live life instead of reliving painful pasts.
I am glad you have moved on. I would also like to add on the initial point you made about people in general. I don’t understand how a lot of people just can’t get over the cause of Joel’s death. People usually become more passive and forgiving as they grow older. I’d like to think Joel become a lot softer after living a more comfortable life in a community that takes care of one another along with Ellie. Even if we accept the fact that he can just mentally turn on the vigilant and ruthless side of him like in his younger days in an instant after all this time, people make mistakes. Even the smartest human beings on earth slip up every now and then and end up doing something stupid. It literally happens all the time. People no matter how capable they are always make mistakes.
@@ajadler1629 Thank you. I find that writing about trauma online helps. Even if no one ever sees it. It's cathartic, like getting something off your chest that's been weighing you down.
@Imtiyaz Ur rasool Yes, I'm still surprised by how shocked ppl get when I boxer/MMA fighter that has a long winning streak finally gets beaten. A lot of sports fans are often mystified that they lost. But I know that anyone is capable of being defeated. Like you said, anyone, no matter how good they are, will make mistakes.
My comment won’t make a difference in the issue, but as it stands, I’m sick of transphobic and homophobic bias being in every AAA release game review. I honestly hope they hated every second of the game so they can remember how they wasted their time and money supporting a good title
Yeah lamo I’m sick of it too a good portion of the hate this game garnered was because Ellie was a lesbian or Abby is buff lamo not the actual contents of the story witch are things that can be scrutinized
Gonna be honest feel like if Joel got killed by a muscular man named Adam instead there wouldn't be as much intense hate. Like the voice actors and his baby wouldn't get death threats. People who focus ways too much on a fictional characters sexuallity sre weirdos man. Doesn't matter if they're gay or straight. Also some people act like muscular women dont exist when women in Pro Wrestling and MMA that match if not are muscular than Abby
@@tsarnicholasii6679 Man missed the part where they were raising whole ass cattle herds and had a cafeteria handing out food and a frickin gym in the base at the start of abbys section.
@@tsarnicholasii6679 Yes it does honestly? I mean you can see their setup first hand, seems pretty solid. Boston and Pittsburgh are irrelevant as Abby isn’t from either of those two QZs, one place struggling it doesn’t mean everywhere is having the exact same issues.
I was living in a foreign country and travelling when this game came out. I loved the first one so much so avoided any and all spoilers except for the big one which was impossible to miss. Now after all these years I have finally played the game and watched my favorite youtubers 2 videos on the game. You explained the story and game so well. I am actually shocked at how good your story tellling is. Masterful description of a sad game and why it makes you feel sad and why the game did what it did. Noice
I’d wager that most haters of this game are young, naive men that haven’t really felt the sting of adulthood quite yet. That part of life when you realize that you aren’t that special, you won’t get everything you want, and that life’s difficulties never stop. TLOU 1 and 2 were so refreshing to me because they show how life truly is: Ellie doesn’t get to become the hero by sacrificing her life, Joel doesn’t get to reap the rewards of saving Ellie’s life and instead is hated by her, Joel isn’t a perfect “hero” who would never make a mistake and reveal who he was, Ellie realizes towards the end that she is just as bad as Abby for what’s she’s done, and the fairy tale love story on the farm with the baby ends because Ellie doesn’t actually love her spouse enough to stay. But it also shows that your little world of friends and family is worth trudging through life for. Yes, all of this shit is dramatic and set in a non-existent world, but there’s never been a game series that more perfectly matches the ups and downs of life. Anyone who hates this game should play it again in 10 years. You’d be surprised how your perception of it could change once life kicks you in the balls/vag a few times.
Aye I agree with you quite a bit. I feel like some people who feel robbed of seeing more Joel and Ellie have no idea what it's like to have a strained relationship with their father or mother. Not to get personal on TH-cam but I lost my father at a young age with his siblings being some pretty awful people. So to see Ellie learn to let go of her hate and learn from Joel's absence and the mistakes they both made, knowing they'll never talk it out, hit so close to home
It's so completely fucking bonkers of a viewpoint that it's almost a parody of itself. y'know Poe's Law? the one that says that sometimes it is impossible to tell apart satire from actual extremist belief? Not in this case. Nobody could satire this shit up.
The hardest part about this story, is understanding that in order for Ellie to move on and be happy, she needed to let go of Joel. After the incident in Seattle, Ellie was just hunted by both Joel’s death, and her unquestionable failure of killing Abby. The world around Ellie is crashing down with walls surrounding her as she tries to be with her family. Personally, Tommy did not guilt trip Ellie. Ellie was looking for any excuse to go after Abby. After Seattle, their was no more leads on Abby’s whereabouts. She was now lost to both Tommy and Ellie, a ghost, an urban legend. The fact that their was a solid lead at all, was pure narrative luck. While Tommy suffered physically, Ellie continued to suffer within. Her attachment to Joel ultimately destroyed her relationships as she and Tommy started to immortalized Joel. Their was no need to go after Abby. Their was no need to fighter or kill her. What people forget is that Ellie could have killed Abby. Even within the cinematic cutscenes, Ellie is shown with her guns on the side with a switchblade ready to gun her down or slowly torture her. But it’s her actions and carful line of dialogue that the player starts to understand or questions Ellie’s motivations and goals here. Never once within the last section of the game, does it state that Ellie wishes to kill Abby. She never once says even with herself, “I’m going to kill Abby.” Or “i’m going to make Abby suffer.” And even when Ellie finds and sees Abby helplessly hanging within the pillars, she never once states her true intentions. Ellie has the opportunity to end the “monster” that took everything from her. Ellie made the hardest choice within her life. Ellie and Abby’s last fight wasn’t even about Abby. It was the fight of wether Ellie could let go of Joel, or be a slave to his immortalization.
Awesome perspective. Personally, I think Ellie wanted to -defeat- Abby rather than kill her. To turn her back into a human rather than an 'urban legend', as you put it very aptly. This is why Ellie doesn't just cap Abby as soon as she sees her hanging there, and why she chooses a physical duel instead. Because Ellie still needed to prove to herself that she could take on the thing haunting her nightmares, and tear it down to earth. I think that's at least part of it, anyway.
@@confusionandcreation6036 This is why i love this game, interpretation is key. Me, i’m looking at the symbolic hidden meaning behind the fight, not the actual reason for why the fact had to happen in the first place. Like your theory is also correct, Ellie wanted more then a bullet to the head. Maybe she felt an obligated to fight her, maybe she wanted to prove something to herself. But Joel is always the center behind all of her actions. Weather she’s doing it for or because of Joel, it’s up to use to interpret.
It reminds me of the infamous cringy line from death stranding. Even so I liked both stories of days gone and death stranding. They do have cringy lines
you're very clearly dodging the main criticisms against the game. people are obviously just upset that time travel monkey didn't end up being the father of all characters
Now that the show is out and getting good reviews how they pull off 2 is going to be fascinating. The casting/writing of Abby is going to need to be next-level perfect, that whole story beat depends on making us go from loathing her to begrudgingly liking/understanding her.
I'm pretty sure there won't be a sequel for the show. Having watched it, the final episode didn't provide any insight to the surgeon operating on Ellie. This supposed Abbey, or even any other side character for the hospital. It ends pretty much exactly as the original, which I don't mind. But makes me realize there probably won't be more.
Which is why this game is a masterpiece of using the medium to tell a difficult story. I honestly think the show is going to struggle to make the viewers empathize with Abby without that empathy supercharging you get by becoming the character. Like look at the response to the game, despite them using every trick in the book, and the unique power of game's to functionally make you the character in the narrative, you still have neanderthals screeching about it despite throwing their controller at the wall and never finishing.
It’s one thing to dislike something personally. It’s a new level of douchey to get angry at someone else for not also disliking it with you. What are you guys, 12? You can’t handle someone not agreeing with you?
@@DeutscherPatrick lol youtube apparently refuses to let me see what the guy said. It says "2 replies" but when I open them I only get to see yours. I've been googling the issue for a while now, and it's apparently really common, but it's weird that you get to see it. Like, it's only hidden from me apparently
Newest comments are always a joy to read. Dunkey said it best, he shitted on beloved games for years but the moment he likes a game is the moment a massive amount of people shit on him.
True but the difference is tommy was left to bleed out on the floor with no medical supplies for around 5-10 minutes, also they werent in jackson or anywhere with a surgeon or a experienced doctor so it doesnt really make a lot of sense that he just magically is healed.
@@NicTheGreek1979 The only content they could have reasonably had at that point would be leaks, and that's even pushing it. And if you judge something by leaks, you're stupid as hell. Also, the early leaks were inaccurate in tons of ways. Also, the game wasn't even fully developed at that point. Development ended sometime around March 2020, I'm pretty sure
@@NicTheGreek1979 "User" means public user review. A teenager would get this. And if this is a person who received their copy early, 6 months early in fact, we can assume this person was handed over a copy for promotional purposes. If that is the case, shouldn't they make a bigger review, compared to just a user comment review? Like a whole blog post or a video? I've been seeing you on various comment threads, my guy. You're not the brightest, stop acting like you are.
I feel like politics has invaded all of gaming. They even made Dixie Kong a girl like what everyone knows that girls don’t exist EDIT: How in the hell did an actual political debate start from this comment about monke
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Actually, the real reason Ellie spared Abby was because Abby still owed her a pizza.
LOL
The revenge was the pizza we owed along the way
But will she ride her more than her motorcycle?
@@Chrisblaz96 yes
yup
I found it interesting that Abby bit off TWO of Ellie's Fingers. Leaving her with just enough for Part 3.
The real reason Abby bit off Ellie's fingers is to symbolize her hunger for Last of Us part III.
Left 4 Dead 3 confirmed!
this guy gets it
Really shameless self promotion
You only need three, am I right amigo?
For those who are wondering how Tommy didn’t die getting shot in the head is because Joel ran him over with a truck and his head got used to it.
Funny!
he just stopped thinking about the bullet in his head and it went away
Tommy did survive but the shot left him a little restarted
People can survive being shot through the eye . That one girl is famous for it
The skull can be a pretty badass bodypart tho
“A disgrace to the series…….”
Ah yes, that long standing series of one game.
😂
using fan baiting is nothing original, while the whole killing off main character while he is weak and pathetic is something you might notice in 90% of products these days. First it's nice and original, as it gets emotion of you. Then it's tiring as it's everywhere. In the end it's just sick how unoriginal that is, but it does allow the gender swap to happen. While any negative reaction gets placed as something sexists, racists, homophobic ect. The message is everywhere, fan baiting is profitable. No actual work is needed, because any nostalgia can be used to create buzz, help the sales, get the cheap emotion out. In Pro Wrestling culture, we call it squashing the babyface in the upset. It does ton of damage to the whole product on the long run, but it creates one moment which gets a huge pop. Like cashing out the check. Sad to see it happen to a series this short (only second game). No soul, while it may seem like they did something even Dunkey felt the impact. From 2016 until now, most big franchises used the fan baiting. Many fandoms feeling hurt as their favorite franchises that they have big attachment from young age got used.
I don't know, you may think I am being dumb here. I just know you will see it when the time comes. It's a one trick pony after all.
@@MrTeamGuy So what you're mad about is the fan baiting right? Because that's all I'm seeing here
Firstly please remind me of all the other games where the sequel involves one of the main characters dying.
Besides that, did you even watch the video? There's no need to misconstrue it, people are genuinely mad about the game because they are racists and homophobes. Not all of them, but the ones that are literally type it out in their reviews/comments... idk what there is to pretend about... yes the fan baiting happened, but if that's all you're mad about, just say that without typing out the rest of this thesis
@@howdoifindaname2743 Yeah, that is my only problem. Could say it's my personal nitpick that hits close to home. I wrote a ton to explain in case people don't understand :)
@@MrTeamGuywell no one’s gonna beat Joel if he ain’t injured tbh.
Tommy didn't die because Abby didn't say "Black ops" when she shot him.
True
Lester Crest
LOL
Plot twist: Tommy says fortnite instead
Now if she had said "My name is Viktor Reznov, and I will have my revenge!" that man would have been gone immediately.
Rock and roll motherfuckers rock and roll
"Not enought fingers"
3/5
-IGN
You deserve subs for that comment alone.
This deserves more likes.
It has a little something for everyone.
I just got that joke
This deserves a 'thumbs' up..
The worst part of this video was running past the rifle ammo without picking it up. I physically recoiled in horror. Dunkey is truly a monster for this.
still no dislikes though. clearly dunkey still always wins
"If I was a sellout, you know what I would do? I would read the room, go 'oh look, everyone hates this game,' and I'd pander to fucking idiots"
Dunkey spittin' fiery truth
So he's a sellout
@@justatrollyaloser sellout a pizza
@@justatrollyaloser cope
@@stratosphere2323 need more copium pal or are u ok?
@@neinja66469 he overdosed on copium 😔
If this game is so good, why isn't there a The Last of Us Part II 2?
Loll
Actually there is one it's called Minecraft
Because they’re focusing on giraffe of us bubby
It’s because Reggie is scared.
Because 2 + 2 is 4 so we need tlou 3
Dunkey just made a fool of himself with this video.
In Lego Batman The Videogame you also get to play with the villains halfway through the game.
And this guy thinks he's so clever 🙄
Dunkey is cancelled
Dunkey is a stupid idiot TH-camr who clearly has never played Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story
Yah when i got to play as the lego joker it really made me sympathize with the so called "villian" and reconsider my motivations as a protagonist. Not like shitty the last of us 2
In all seriousness, Legacy of Kain. Specially Defiance.
I hate the last of us 2. Not because of the story, but because of the fact that we can’t play as a giraffe. Naughty dog should reconsider selling the company to me.
this implies they have considered it before
It should have been the giraffe going on a journey of revenge against Joel for letting Ellie pet him
Watching XQC play this drove me insane. The scene where Joel confesses to Ellie about what he did that day at the hospital and Ellie gets mad his chat just spams stuff like "???????????????" "OKAY DUDE". Like why? How is this confusing or infuriating to you that Ellie is upset about the lies and murder?
You can never count on twitch chat to not be completely braindead
I mean what else would you expect from xqc and his chat
Now he’s gambling instead of playing games lol
@@alexanderl.6207 Which is TOTALLY not unhealthy.
@@IronPal you can just say from Twitch streamers & chat
Joel: *Dies*
Ellie: you owe me a pizza
@@JewishFrog he just uses satire to point out how stupid some people can be, and he takes peoples actual criticisms seriously. But if you have a problem with a comedy TH-camr using comedy in his videos, I'll leave you to it
@@howisthis8849 the dude deleted his comment. What did he say?
Asking pizza before the entire revenge plot begins makes sense
Revenge is a dish best served cold, while pizza is best served hot
@@howisthis8849 If he was right, why would he delete the comment? Keep coping.
@@davidpaul6290 I'm pretty sure How is this was telling the other dude what Jewish Frog said, did you not see the above replies?
If they make a third The Last of Us game it should be called The Rest of Us and only feature obscure side characters and the giraffe. Actually, it should just be the giraffe.
i am not gonna let this genius go unrecognized
Please don't forget the zebras.
I think a certain monkey goes well with a giraffe. Fingers crossed for ****** kong cameo.
LOL
hahahha
there is a point somewhere between casual talking and high-falutin critical analysis and Dunkey plays both sides at the same time, excellently. Telling hard, nuanced truths in the most sincere and authentic way. this video still holds up and is fucking great
You’re gay
@@illegalsmirf oh my god, you're right!
yep yep yep
Fax
and, as you said, you never played octopath traveler
My theory is that people who got spoiled before launch felt the intended hatred towards Abby that Ellie felt, but they couldn't channel those emotions towards actually playing the game like you're supposed to. Instead, they directed their hatred toward the game itself
Good point! I genuinely believe that if the game didn't get spoiled and didn't have all "those" youtubers riding the hate bandwagon doubling down on the amount of hate the game got, it wouldn't have gotten NEARLY as much hate
While I definitely agree with your point-as many people don't handle spoilers well-there is still something to be said about the execution of plot. Dunkey brings up a valid point that it's realistic for Joel to let his guard down after all of these years, and that stupid, insignificant errors are often what bring people down. However, I agree with Luke Stephen's review that the circumstances of Joel's death still have an air of contrivance to them, which doesn't help in selling his death as a good direction to take the story. The story was definitely more focused on Ellie's quest for vengeance clashing against Abby's vengeance needs, and how "eye for an eye leaves the world blind."; how seeking revenge and killing someone in retaliation often doesn't offer the catharsis you hope it will. So, in some ways, Joel went from being an integral character to a plot device, which isn't the best way to sell the narrative to a wide audience who are attached to the character. Joel's presence in Ellie's life and memories is important to her character development in the game, but Joel as a character himself does seem to be sidelined.
At the end of the day, I think the story went in the best direction the writers could think of, but I can understand it being unsatisfying beyond unexpected spoilers.
You can just say they're angry that the actual protagonist is a woman and take the pretentious mask off that makes you reach for excuses.
@@spikysmoothness Ellie was known to be a main protagonist since the game was announced. The real backlash didn't happen until Abby got leaked as a second protagonist and Joel's killer, which happened just a few months before launch
Maybe for the initial few who formed their own opinion of it. But then for the highly vocal majority, it's just pure bandwagoning. Most of the people shit talking the game didn't even play the first game to get some sort of emotional attachment on it. And as you can see, with the common opinion now being that liking TLOU2 is more acceptable, you're gonna see more people agree on the point that despising the game and calling it an actually badly designed game before was just silly. Even if they were literally the ones who were spouting that very shit.
Don't think too much on it, clearly they don't.
“Major plot spoilers for doom eternal”
“In doom, you go to hell.”
I mean,, he's not wrong
Going to hell in Doom 2016 was actually something I enjoyed being surprised by. I mean, it is Doom, but so much of the start takes place on an invaded Mars that it’s not immediately obvious!
It’s also where you get to hear the legendary testament.
@Maester Gryphon But Dante also goes to purgatory and heaven throughly exploring each place and meeting many famous historical figures that help Dante along his spiritual journey. Dooms story has a lot less tact imo, it's go to hell to kill the big bad and other little bads.
Doom has lore and a story but I honestly can't care about it as there's no characters that draw me in. Doom is not a game that prides itself on story but rather gameplay
I m really pissed off by this spoiler ......... i thought they were fighting in an oven 😤
@@user-qn4xu4tq7n doom is more gameplay based u can only learn about the story through journal entries that's the point
The worst part is the game didn’t even give Joel a grappling hook
We ask for just one thing, and we can’t even get that
At least Abby gave him a golf club.
@@thespanishinquisition8394 He couldn't use it though :(
I know right?
meanwhile Halo Infinite, the best game of all time, has a grappling hook. 10/10
Some of the hatred for TLOU2 is a prime example of how spoilers are what make the world a terrible place.
I truly believe that without the spoilers before the release, the reception of the game would have been much, MUCH better.
Well yeah because the spoilers proved the game was gonna be dogshit. So fans were expecting them to step up, but instead we got this trash
@@hughjaenus2235without spoilers, people would have actually used their brains instead of following the Internet mob to hate the game blindly without understanding what the game is trying to make you feel by it’s story.
Instead we have retards who have not even played the game and mumbling shit that isn’t true most of the time or irrelevant with the game.
@@hughjaenus2235 nice bait
@@hughjaenus2235 🤡
It's still unbelievable to me that liking this game can trigger so many people, making them go crazy. Like who the hell cares, some people will like the game, some people won't.
It's hard to hate something and have any enjoyment out of it without telling at least someone why. If you are happy about something, you don't actually need any boost. I don't know much about this title, but boy oh boy I would be floored to see any of my beloved game characters go out like that. It would absolutely ruin my will to play next part if it ever happened.
@@Trips57 then you're too immature to handle this game, simple as that.
@@Lemonincense Immature? Do you have any idea what that word means? Just because something or someone is making you emotional, doesn't mean you are immature. You can act on it in immature way, yes but having emotions is something human, not childish.
"boy of boy"
@@Trips57 copium manchild
People just hated Joel’s death because he didn’t buy that pizza he owed them.
WOAH, CALM DOWN CLOUD.
"No... Joel... who else will I have Pizza with"
@@dragoncrashhero12 So, we have The Last of Us Part II, Final Fantasy VII Remake and Kingdom Heart 358/2 days all combined in one comment. And here I thought Smash Bros was the greatest crossover ever made
@@dragoncrashhero12 Joel ate the pizza!
" I was supposed to be the one to fill your empty stomach with pizaaaaaaaa"
The worst part of The Last of Us Part 2 was when Cloud didn't get his pizza.
_Yeah... You still owe me a pizza._
Spoiler much. Jeez
And I better get it too
I've yet to play through FF7 Remake and I really don't appreciate Dunkey just spoiling a huge plot point so suddenly. Guess he did put in the disclaimer after the fact but jesus rip me for being an hour one viewer..
Yeah he mention red dead 2 but not ff7 but I mean, she does die in the orginal...20+ years ago.
Wow, after this video, the original Last of us 2 video now went from the most disliked video on the channel to zero dislikes. Truly amazing.
Not if you installed the Dislike widget.
@@jamesdrummond7684those are obviously photoshopped
@@Coercioner what?
@@jamesdrummond7684 adobe photoshop
@@jamesdrummond7684 just look at the pixels
About Joel trusting Abby's gang.... Joel's problem in game one is that he can't let anyone get close to him because of losing Sarah. He's a man trapped in the worst moment of his life, like Sisko at the beginning of DS9. Ellie has *just* gone through a lot of trauma just before she met Joel. At the end of the game, Joel and Ellie think of each other as father and daughter. As Joel lets Ellie in and accepts her as his daughter, his faith in life has been renewed. He sees value in community and human connection. He has a family. His adopted daughter lives nearby. He's no longer estranged from his brother. He's found a community. Friends. He owns a home. He's making art. Whittling. Playing guitar. He participates in patrols, far more community driven than the days of him and Tess smuggling for ration cards.
Most importantly, Ellie had just agreed to try and work on getting past his monumental gaslighting levels of global proportions about her immunity. Despite him taking away her agency, lying to her for years about robbing her of a meaningful death. She's willing to work on it. Because she cares about him.
Joel trusts Abby because he has grown to care about people. Because he has fundamentally changed due to the events of the first game. It's badic character growth. He no longer sees all other humans from a distance. Character growth, which, unfortunately, is his downfall.
You can explain it to them, but you can't understand it for them.
@@dontsubcribedontlike673 it’s not even hard looool they’re being chased by infected why wouldn’t you trust some girl who you just saved 😂😂😂
Agreed, and even then he doesn’t say his name to the group very easily. In fact, it’s Tommy blabbering about town and how they’re brothers. Once that’s established, Joel just says his name with a kind of hesitant tone.
The discourse surrounding The Last Of Us 2 is such shit precisely because it's filled with a bunch of people who either A. didn't actually play the game or B. Refused to engage with what the game is actually about. Culminating with bad faith takes regarding its tone, writing, and characters that are essentially "I don't like what you did to my favorite character" rant. Is that valid argument? Sure. But I'd rather people honest that that's the reason rather than make up shit to "get revenge." Because that's all it really was.
you are forgetting the world these people live in, despite being more open and caring Joel still survived 20 years as a survivor, smuggler and former hunter. Its not saving abby that's the issue, in fact, it would make sense for him to save her considering tommy is there and they are right outside jackson. The issue is, when he goes back to abbys base and sees numerous heavily armed strangers with militia badges and decides to leave his weapons and bag on his horse. He has no caution with these strangers, and decides to walk carefree and without any caution into the middle of the room and in front of all these strangers and even tells all these armed strangers with militia badges his name. This is so uncharacteristic from Joel, even from what we see in TLOU2, I'm pretty sure there is a flashback where jesse mentions how Joel gives him a hard time about patrols and about being more careful lmao, and don't even get me started with how cautious this man was in the first game, being able to spot a hunter attack instantly. Plus even if he has become more open and caring, that doesn't mean he would lose his caution and survivor expertise, he even tells ellie in one of the flashbacks that she needs to keep her mask on even though its just the 2 of them in case a stranger sees her, showing how he is still always likes to keep it safe. The decisions joel makes are completely out of line with his cautious nature and they don't make sense for someone who who survived 20 years in the apocalypse.
"Then its my fault cause I'm a homophobe?" This review killed me
Rip u get well soon
That was fking hilarious
Leave the poor homophobes alone, they just wanna hate gays in piece without being bothered by strangers
I tilted at it, thought it was satire but then the painful realisation
@@thisismysuperawesomeusername 🤣🤣
"at times I even felt emotion" is the line that really got me
same lmao, was really the cherry on top
"...storytelling is so good I thought I was dreaming" This one cracked me up.
@@weaverquest bruh i was so confused if that was really from days gone review lmao
ur not alone I verbally cackled
Can we get this comment to 420 likes
This story is really a natural progression from part 1. Parents die. Parents die and we have to go on. How we go on depends on what they've taught us.
This actually hurts to think about
I mean the whole title of the series suggests a story thats going to be about loss
Fuck you hit the nail on the head that i never even knew existed, thats exactly it right there, im gonna use this argument from now on
I lol parents don’t die in zombie apocalypse’s lol that’s not what this is about
That’s like saying oh Joel’s daughter dies but you know little kids die too tf 😂
I will never get over how often people think that homophobia and sexism are valid critiques of a games story, just literally makes no sense
Don't forget racism. All of the above are wrapped in one convenient package:
"THEY'RE FORCING IT DOWN ON US!".
the fact that so many people jumped on the bandwagon of hating tlou2 just because theres a trans character is crazy..
@@8pija22 I liked the game but hated the trans character.
@@Roflcrabs bro u probably dont even know who the character is, thats the sad part
@@8pija22 Hating something including a trans person isnt the same as hating trans people. Its more likely people are annoyed with the motivations and/or pressure devs recieve to include certain things to seem inclusive.
"Story is gay"
- professional guy
I mean he's not wrong.
*professional gay
Right!
@kouhai96 ITS MA'AM!!
@Big Cat I can't tell if you're joking. 🤣
I really hate this video 🤬 but also I’ve never played it nor watched any footage of it.
when abby said " its only the last of us " to ellie, I cried
This actually teaches a nice, valuable lesson: if you’re not sure if your comment sounds stupid or not, have it read in Dunkey’s voice
I read your comment in Dunkey's voice and it sounds stupid. Also I read this comment in his voice and I sound stupid. In fact I'm reading it in his voice just as I type this and I feel stupid.
@@LuciusC spaghetti and meatballss
omg this makes everything better
To be fair dunkey's voice can make anything sound stupid
I prefer dale gribble but to each their own
Joel: **dying**
Ellie: NooOoOOoOoo! ...he still owes me pizza!
Makes me cry everytime.
Season 8 makes me cry everytime
@Geralt of Trivia "Curse you Lysanderoth!"
"She can live the life Joel would have wanted for her...."
"Ladies and gentleman, Obi Kenobi"
Best transition ever
The story is about empathy, forgiveness, and the emptiness of hate.
No wonder vitriolic man-children say the story sucks!
Legit lol, I feel like in order to hate it so thoroughly you have to have no empathy and resent that many people do.
@@andineffable But this game isn't Call of Duty; Shoot-a-man and is, therefore, a baby game.
Those things are all very cringe
but game bad because woke and lgbt and woman have bigger arms than me 😠😠😡
@@derekrequiem4359 Yes, that is in fact why it's bad
I’d normally agree with you, Dunkey, but you forgot that they left out the “Ask Madden” feature, which really broke the immersion for me.
Overall everything about the game sucked. 10/10- it has a little something for everyone
The “Bill was gay” part was really funny, just goes to show that a lot of people couldn’t pick up details that weren’t even that hidden in the first place.
they didn’t read any of the notes just killed everything in their way. these same people are the ones who didn’t read any of the notes in this game and realize everyone is getting tired of the killing.
Bill in read dead 2 was gay too. Bill=gay confirmed
Same people who didn't know Ellie was gay and raged during the second game, lol.
Despite the fact that gay people are plentiful in society and always have been, it's considered political to add a gay character because of American conservative culture war BS. These are the same morons that hate SJWs and "cancel culture" and fail to see the irony with what they're doing to people that come out and say they like the game.
dunkey replied to that entire side of peoples' argument about the homosexual content in one concise, beautiful fifteen second segment and didn't bother to touch on it again because he's not a piss-baby who shits their diapers the second anything even remotely tagged as 'sjw' enters their domain.
swear to god, these commenters who spout that bull will take any excuse to get pissed at something.
I think it depends on how psychologically forgiving you are as a person defines if you liked it or not. For me, I absolutely hated Abby and thus the game
Seeing people empathising with Abby, tells me I got deeper personal issues to deal with. Like pineapple pizza.
Deep
I don't think the game tries to tell you to empathize with Abby, they just show you who she really is, she's not a villain but she's also not a hero
@@santiagobarrios1897 ...you're describing empathizing
It’s been a while since I played the first one, so I detached a little more than some other people may have from Joel and Ellie’s relationship, but tbh I fully started siding with Abby and actually wanted to kill Ellie in the theatre. Abby did kill Joel, but only because he killed her dad. Then Ellie goes on to kill literally everyone Abby was ever close to. Kind of terrible for Abby.
@@Sonylombax Yeah I felt the same way, and I think that’s sort of the intent of the story, but most players were too attached to Ellie & Joel and/or didn’t get pulled in enough by Lev’s storyline that was intended to grab you by emulating Ellie and Joel’s story from LoU 1.
I'm glad dunkey called out the reason many didn't like the game: they couldn't tolerate not playing a straight white male.
this sounds stupid but it true some gamers be like that
exactly. u make any average edgy gamer play as a regular woman or a black person and they'll call it woke
"I can't name a single video game where you stop halfway and play as the villain for the rest of the game."
Lego Batman. Checkmate, Dunkey.
wait tell me which one so I have the incentive to play those games again
@@sophiequiche lego batman
@@magicman4379 oh just the first one lol
halo 2
Modern Warfare 3 and 2 with no russians.
“The US election will be the most controversial thing that happens this week”
Dunkey: “Hold my spaghetti and meatballs”
That's exactly how you describe Dunkey. He loves to be controversial for the sake of it.
Hold my gabagool
@@Resht3 Dunkey having opinions different from the very niche part of "gamers"
Some dumbass: "This guy is just looking to be controversial; There is no way he could actually disagree with my opinion."
Wait..who took my sphaget!
@@Resht3 No he’s just real and not gamer mad
Nice video! The ominous music when you show Abby throwing the ball is hilarious to me.
Calling someone who complains about homosexuality a bonobo ape is simply brilliant.
As far as I know, Bonobos don't have a lot of issues with homosexuality. In fact, they hardly have any problems with anyone or anything. They are just about the most peaceful, easy going of all the apes.
It would've made more sense to call him a Chimpanzee. Chimps are insane.
Actually, you start playing as the villain part way through the masterpiece of storytelling, Sonic Adventure 2. Checkmate, Dunktheists.
I was thinking exactly this lol
Also let's not forget about Hotline Miami 1+2.
Actually, Shadow, Rouge, and Eggman are the good guys because Sonic and crew steal Chao from their homes, enslave, beat and torture them, then make them compete in blood sports in Sonic Adventure 1. The story takes its most dramatic twist when Shadow and co. also realize it's more fun to do that than anything else in the game.
Actually, you play as the villian in every videogame because every hero is the villian from the villian’s perspective
@@HyouKuma Plus Shadow had every reason to kill all humans because his human girlfriend fell off the space station or something so now he has PTSD
If we have The Last of Us, then where's The Rest of Them?
Askin real questions here
Caveira wants to know your location
With the last of us, which is them duuuuuh🙄
Aren’t the rest of them the zombies? We need a game where we play as a zombie that takes revenge against Abby and Ellie
first time a youtube comment has ever made me laugh
The fact that there are people who judged the game before playing it and think their opinion should be taken seriously will never not be baffling to me.
There's a big difference between "it looks bad" and "it is bad." I got crap for saying I didn't want to watch Squid Game because it looked bad. I was told I couldn't judge it until I watched it and yeah that's true. However so many people saying "TLOU2 is bad and I'm never playing it!" Absolute drones.
This is probably the smartest comment I seen someone make recently to this video.
This. I still haven't played it and still hope to someday. I don't expect a masterpiece or hot garbage, even after having the entire plot spoiled.
If I judged it before playing it, I would've been spared what is now the biggest disappointment of any game I've ever played. Not even mad that Joel died btw and don't give a fuck about politics. Sounds like they dodged a bullet. And saved a buck.
@@jupi_jupi"don't give a fuck about politics" yet you're still mad.
My take on the ending is that Ellie spared Abby as a way to forgive Joel. You have a character whose one selfish act killed a girl’s father, destroyed a community, left the survivors to rot in their grief, and then all of the events of the game, all the friends killed between Ellie and Abby, tommy being maimed for life. I think Ellie knew that Abby didn’t deserve to die, and so to pay for Joel’s sins she does not avenge him. And in doing so Ellie absolves herself of Joels mistakes, as a way to forgive him
Not a bad interpretation.
Yeah that's one of the best ways to understand this story, I think that there's some people that couldn't undestand it but the majority of people din't WANT to understand it because a youtuber told them that it was "politcal" and "woke"
To add to that, a lot of what happens to Abby was like making her walk in Joel's shoes. She is traumatized by the murder of a family member, forges a bond with someone younger which helps relieve that pain, and sacrifices so much for that one person. In a way, Abby became like Joel. She even shares some gameplay similarities with him, like using shivs. So when Ellie spared Abby and let her go, it was also the closest thing Ellie could get to forgiving Joel now.
The best one I've read so far is Ellie suffers from PTSD by experiencing Joel's death. This triggers her into a panic attack when the barn door slams shut. It also explains why she feels forced to pursue Abby alone, even though Abby would've died on the stake if she never went after her (smth she didn't know at the time, but nonetheless, she felt compelled to pursue this memory instead of allowing it to rest). In a way, it's a compulsion instead of a decision she willingly makes. Think of it as this trauma being a thorn in her side, and that thorn can only be pulled out if Abby is killed, considering Abby is the source (ie the rose) of said thorn. This is how PTSD mainly works and people who don't get "revenge" will often be resentful towards their loved ones and society for not helping them get rid of this imbalance in justice they experience.
However, on the beach, we see Ellie having a vivid memory of Joel. This happens right after she loses her fingers and her memory of Joel forces her to recognize this might disable her to play his song.
I'm making a very long-winded way of saying that she tried to remember Joel by being like Joel instead of herself. That one memory reminds her of who she is. Ellie is creative, we see her making songs, drawing, writing. Violence isn't her way of dealing with things, but the anxiety that goes along with PTSD and the people she's surrounded with force her to believe this is the right way to deal with Joel's death. Only in the end, by remembering the positive effect SHE had on Joel, by turning him into a softhearted old man that picked up the guitar again, that cared more about finding coffee than killing fireflies, that could be a father again like he used to be with Sarah, reminds her who she really is or at least the ideals she holds true to herself. That's why she gives up. She's not doing the right thing, she's simply not doing the wrong thing to prevent herself from becoming a savage.
We've seen in the first game Ellie isn't afraid to kill. Remember that boss fight in the tavern when Joel was sick and we played as Ellie? When she kills that guy, Joel has to stop her because she's going berserk. I think Ellie is afraid of that side of herself, but in TLOU2 she gives in, and only in the end she snaps out of it. Maybe she's afraid she got out of control once again, maybe she has that memory of Joel beause he was the only one who saved her from becoming a savage, to have a life where creativity instead of violence is her raison d'être, but now it's taken a toll. She doesn't have Joel to save her, she's lost her loved ones, and she even lost his song. Like Dunkey says, she went out of control, thereby losing everything, including her sense of self.
I think that's exactly why so many people hate this game: it shows one of our favorite characters turning into a savage, failing, and we're not used to this kind of storytelling. It's much closer to Russian literature than American because it lacks obvious irony like American Psycho for example, it gives ambiguity to who is good or evil by providing both sides of the story, which I think is a very profound choice to make the story work and gain that gravity we wouldn't get if we're just supposed to root for Ellie all the way to the end.
I can agree with you that she might recognize herself in Abbie, and this eye for an eye thing should have ended after Joel's death. That Abbie is a good person, just like Ellie used to be a good person, and they both got corrupted by losing their father so violently. This is just the explanation I prefer because I personally adhere to the philosophy that we all carry both good and evil within us and that whatever those terms mean are very ambiguous and are also dependant on the culture we live in and how we fill those in individually. It also takes the psychological process Ellie goes through as the story progresses into account, which is more important imo than trying to reduce a 30+ hour game into a simple moral.
@@TheMIKESK8 I love it when certain people complain about politics in games and then you see their favorite games are The Last Of Us 1 and Fallout New Vegas or other games with very obvious political themes.
“I can’t think of any other game where you stop halfway through and play as the villains the rest of the game”
Dude how could you forget about angry birds Star Wars 2
The first Dishonored has an entire DLC where you play as the villain, killing another villain... . I know it's a DLC which is optional, but hey, it's there. It exists.
Clearly Dunkey has never played Danny Phantom: Ultimate Enemy on the GBA.
@Cole Tynan Arbiter was never a villain
@Cole Tynan arbiter and chief have similar goals and work together neither are antagonists for each other
Bruh you forgot about the GTA series
I love how dunkey showed us the *metric* score to(attempt to) prove a point
Show us the *imperial* scores too
I get it
Obi wans gettin a bit imperial in his old age
what about the stormcloak scores
@@gandalf7345 I don't get the joke bro I don't play Skyrim
Imperial march theme plays on the banjo*
It's 2022 and I just finished TLOU II. It's a shame, but I put it off for so long cause it was ruined from the beginning by the bandwagon. I hated the story at first, naturally because of what happened with Joel. But after the first few hours, I really started to enjoy it.
At first, I hated playing as Abby, this monster, but by the end, I was practically begging Ellie to spare her. I never felt like it was a forced emotional thing, just a slow build-up of connection I wasn't even aware of until I was near the end. I don't think you can get the whole scope, even story-wise, without playing it yourself.
I remember playing through it and thinking her being on the farm with Dina was the end, I was happy with this, it felt like an ending. Then Tommy came back as a symbol of what waited for Ellie if she chose to continue her pursuit for revenge. I saw her leave Dina and the entire time I was just whispering to myself "no no no no" I wanted to scream at Ellie to tell her to turn around to go home that all she was doing was ruining her one chance at a happy life. Then we found Abby literally crucified, and I had to pause the game and take a breath from what I was seeing. A culmination of this warpath brought her to her enemy, defeated, having given up on living, subjected to one of the worst forms of death penalty in human record. And yet it wasn't enough for Ellie, her emotions were so detached and destroyed she was incapable of feeling empathy. I was relieved that Ellie didn't kill Abby, not for the sake of Abby, though that was a secondary thought, but mainly for the hope of redemption for Ellie. If she killed Abby she never would've been able to return to Wyoming, she would've been so thoroughly shucked from her emotions that she would've returned to a solitary life telling herself she could only rely on herself, but she was able to finally let it go and prove she is not controlled by the past. I loved this story. But honestly this is also where I want it to end, I don't think there should be another game to continue Ellie's story, I want another game but from someone else's perspective, maybe the baby that she was helping Dina raise. But I like this being the end of what we see from Ellie.
I just got it on the Black Friday sale and finished earlier this month. I already knew about Joel's death and the ending (vaguely) because of the original leaks and fiasco. I haven't been this engaged with a game since Elden Ring came out. Once I actually experienced the story, I totally understood it and felt it emotionally. Playing this on hard mode was an adrenaline pumping and strategic adventure. The original backlash was what made me come to terms with the right leaning political toxicity in gaming. The story isn't always pleasant and quite depressing, but it isn't SJW garbage.
"The quartering" or something like that made 70 videos about "terrible tlou 2 plot" and didn't even play the game ONCE.
That's really the only thing you should know about these hate bandwagons, stay away from them because they are just cash grabs making money on your anger. Anger for a reason they made up on the spot.
I just finished the game a few days ago, I had the same experience with the ending
Same!! Just finished last week and I can't get the game out of my head!
Incredible gameplay, graphics, world building, level design, and characters.
By the time I got to Santa Barbara, I was exhausted just like Ellie. The final fight had me wincing, I just wanted them to stop! The game made me feel so many things!
Takes me back to when the TLOU2 Subreddit devolved into vicious transphobia over a charakter that isn't even trans. Gamers really are a special breed sometimes.
@@senatorarmstrong2100 nope, she isnt
She was modeled after a cis woman, making this all the more hilarious
The reason why The Last of Us 2 storyline was deemed bad is because the Sopranos game had set the bar too high
flawless garphics with amzing strylne. i hads so mooch fun when plying game.
My apologies, I don't have quite the capacity to speak proper, fluent English.
Finally, I had to search for too long to find a single voice of reason, thank you good sir, thank you!
Tlou2 has no gabagool = 0/10
That game's going down in history.
I feel like everyone missed the point. This wasn't a 20 minute video defending The Last of Us: Part II. That was all just context for its true purpose: a review of Days Gone.
Story is a masterpiece, at times i even felt emotion.
Its hard to say with a new Spiderman Movie in the works.
I laughed so hard I couldn't breathe at the cuts of Joel just blasting over people with his truck with country music blaring in the background
Yeah, we played the game. That's what happened.
Bizarre as hell, man.
Couldn't even understand the reaction when this came out. I bought it day one at midnight and finished it without really hearing any of the blowback, thought it was brilliant for the most part and truly was baffled that so many people were shitting on it once I started looking at the feedback online.
Does it all really just come down to:"I play as a villain for too long, and I don't like gays"?
Pathetic, man. Nobody seemed to care much about it in the original as you pointed out, and why would they?
It was just another part of who the guy was, not some "in your face agenda".
I hate that even showing a gay character in a story is suddenly pushing an "agenda".
Such horseshit.
100%
Especially how showing gay chars is 'pushing an agenda.' I hate when people say that, bc if Dina was replaced with a man, they wouldn't whine at all. Because it doesn't change ANYTHING about the story.
Dude I’m a part of the lgbtq and still hate the game not because of them pushing an agenda but the unsatisfying ending, the convoluted story, and them killing Joel with a fucking golf club in the first few hours of the game
@@QuickTwilson I read that wrong LMAO my bad :) I just woke up
Yeah being lgbtq I love the game and all but the gay and trans stuff has so little attention drawn to it in the grand scheme, like they’re just normal people who HAPPEN to be lgbtq, the story itself does not center on that. Ellie gets called a homophobic slur at one point and Lev gets deadnamed, not cause the game is “preaching” but because those are things that gay and trans folk deal with in real life. That’s our normal, it would honestly be a lot more unrealistic if every character was a straight cis guy and nobody was ever prejudiced.
"thankfully gamers were never wrong again" has to be one of the funniest things dunkey has ever said
Actually, the people who hate it have more motivation to voice their discontent, while the ones that like it don't. So saying it's "gamers" in general is wrong.
@@Maxaker this is bait, right?
@@Maxaker no its definitely gamers, you guys genuinely have no critical thinking skills outside of whatever your favorite anti sjw youtuber tells you to be mad about this week
You're so right!
@@Maxaker 'Haters' might be more fitting
"I am the guy who self-destructed his Microsoft partnership when I couldn't even pay rent..."
I can already tell this is gonna be a good video.
@Zapadose but it is
love that you just stole a line and got likes
@Zapadose it was
This absolutely is. If you cannot understand why he said that and how imporant it is to this narrative...
@Zapadose it’s a pretty good video
The game's point is to come to terms with hatred and put it aside. People should never hate dunkey for liking Last of Us 2.
They should hate him for putting Little Debbie Chocolate Chip Mini Muffins as an F tier muffin. Those bitches are S tier, fattening godsent goodness, and everyone besides him knows it.
Dunky is a fraud. A cheat. He knows nothing. Those muffins are NOT F TEIR. I love them.
I stopped listening to Dunkey after he did this
The response to the "sellout" comment is one of the greatest things I've ever heard on TH-cam😂
I love how the days gone guy is wearing a snapback to his wedding, truly a masterpiece of storytelling
And the wedding rings are rat skulls
something that real ppl can relate to
To be fair in the story he was a in a MC before the outbreak so It's not that far out of realm of possibility.
I knew that ONE DAY I would find the true masterpiece icon and upvote it!
Excuse me, but it's not "Days gone guy" it's Duncan.
I bet Days Gone doesn't even have a Funky Mode.
Sup Pixx!
days gone was terrible.
Last of us 2 have gay, so I don’t pay
@@GOD-nx1yo no u
@@GOD-nx1yo you don’t pay cause you BrOkE
I finally played both games and can finally share an informed opinion and watch this video. I did not like the Last of Us 2.
When I played the Last of Us, I lost my sister and job, moved away from friends and family and never felt so alone. So when I played as a man running on empty, and got to experience having a daughter I'd never had, it was amazing. I felt myself revitalized. The ending made me feel again, and left me with hope for Ellie and Joel. Last of Us 2 robbed me of that hope.
It made me furious to witness the cruel murder of the man like me. It made me furious to see the hope I had result in a cycle of murder and bad relationships. It made me furious that I formed empathy for the person responsible because of a decision I made. I didn't want to feel angry, I wanted to feel happy. So I hated Last of Us 2 for betraying me like this, but that's what made it such an incredible, memorable story. The game robbed me again, it robbed me of the catharsis of revenge that it gave Abby so mercilessly before. And it was only at that moment that I remembered that the hope I dreamed of was still possible thanks to that same person who killed me. Last of Us 2 was a great game that ended on the hope I once had for the world, even if it's one that no longer had me in it.
Needed Donkey Kong though so 1/10.
Beautifully worded, I'm sorry to hear about your loss though. Hope you're doin good 🙏🏻
Common Dunkey W. People complain about games being cookie cutter but get mad when a developer deviates. True to this day.
*sees his own reflection*
That ain't even the real Joel
*starts engine*
Lol
This is actually the plot of Metal Gear Solid 5
@@tomtheawesomeness fr tho
@@tomtheawesomeness oh shit you're right wtf
I’m sorry Dunkey, but I can’t forgive this game. How could they remove the Cheesecake Factory like that? Breaks my heart.
I'll be your cheesecake factory.......
I'm merely okay at making cheesecake but I'll charge you a substantial markup for a tacky-at-best atmosphere
Unacceptable that they did this to the cheesecake factory!
Yes it was litteraly white male gamer genocide 😤😤
the only thing about the game thats bad...the cheesecake factory...
This.
The things I would do for a 4 hour dunkey video
people cant tell that the anger they feel about joels death was entirely intentional, it was done to align the players motives with ellie's. very smart actually, it doesnt matter that you dont have choice in the game, because if done right, you would have done the same thing anyway
Yes and no. That doesn't explain playing as Abby, which was frustrating because I didn't like her character. Meanwhile, I started to dislike Ellie as the game progressed but mainly because her life is so depressing and empty and she has to kill so many people just to get near Abby.
@Gretchaninov Playing as Abby wasn't meant for you to like and if you did that's a plus. The point was for you to see her side of things because often times we dehumanize our "villians" and we hated her with no context and wanted her dead. With revenge there is no good or bad guy. It's simply to show the consequences and the spiral of your actions. We loved joel regardless of the terrible things he's done and hate Abby for avenging her father. It's quite simple.
@@agentshadycia258 Don't worry, I completely got it. You see, the game beat me over the head with that message for hours and hours on end. It's a very predictable and typical message these days. Disney has been doing the same trite crap with their putrid live action remakes. All of a sudden, every villain has a "point of view" which justifies their actions.
I call BS. There is such a thing as evil. The context changes everything. Initiating an attack against an innocent person is one thing. Protecting an innocent person is another. Hitler invading Poland is one thing, the allies invading Normandy is another. Or do you see them as the same thing?
I haven't played TLOU for a long time. But Joel was likeable because he cared for Ellie and had lost so much himself. He did not kill indiscriminately, he killed to survive. And he protected Ellie who was important in many ways. Joel was good in a realistic way, not a 1-dimensional way. He wasn't a Mary Sue, but he made tough decisions and felt like a genuinely good person in an unforgiving and terrifying world.
Abby is just dull in comparison. She's not remotely interesting as a character. And her motivations are far less noble. Sure, her father was killed, but she should be angry about WHY, not only that he died. Once she found out that he was going to kill a girl (without Ellie or Joel's consent), she should have been angry about that. If a family member of yours attempted murder, would you side with them?
What Abby did was compulsive and evil. And the game tried to mess with us by making us play as Abby and artificially having her look after other characters, as if that justified her killing Joel. She's just nowhere near as interesting. Both Abby and Ellie kill a lot of people in this game for no reason.
Also, the game makes Joel look stupid. He saves Abby who then betrays him. That makes her look even worse, but it also throws away the intelligence and strength we know him for. It's easier for the game to make Abby a big deal by tearing down something we care about than for them to build her up by herself. Imagine alternating between playing as Joel and playing as Abby. Nobody would want the Abby part because she's so boring. So they had to kill him and try to lecture us about it.
You can keep insisting this is some brave, deep and noble statement. But I don't think you sincerely believe that. It's a patronising and predictable message, and a deeply flawed one. Not all revenge is the same. Abby's father was not innocent, he was about to commit murder. Joel's actions were justified. Abby's "revenge" was not. And all the time playing her was a waste.
@@Gretchaninovalot to unpack there I’ll just point out that Joel let his guard down because he grew to be more of a father for Ellie and ultimately softened his exterior
@@Gretchaninovyou're kind of stupid but I hope you feel better after writing all that
You know Days Gone's story is good when it almost makes you feel emotions.
I love the days gone story it was absolutely terrible when it first released cause if the glitches and bugs but after 2 months its perfect and amazing
@@jackal2543 I agree, as a straight white man, I have to say Days Gone is best story & graphics in history of gaming even though I never played it and I'm of puerto rican decent.
in my boner an emotion?
But does it make you feel like spiderman?
@@THE-WUMPUS Spoken like a true smart person i mean you dant actually need to play the game to review it lol
Can‘t wait for Part III in seven years where they can also just put Ellie‘s hand on the cover to tell people the game‘s title.
I also can't wait for Left 4 Dead 3
Genius marketing
Big Brain Time
LMAO
That would be good.
'The story and characters are top notch, at times I even felt emotion'. My favorite review
You would think all these are kids until you met your college roommate
Wow this has 0 dislikes everyone must love this game
I know right, Dunkey is truly a man above TH-cam
long live dunkey
Surely the creators can't be limited to the significant, disgraceful, unless hate via the dislike button.
Surely a site to behold.
There’s nothing to hate
Truly
Stay behind people, he truly spoils doom’s plot in this one.
****SPOILERS AHEAD****
shot demon
It’s funny tho bc doom probably has the most complicated plot out of all the games he showed
"I do not know who I am, I don't know why I'm here, All I know is that I must kill"
@@noahhumphrey2293 don't get plot confused with lore
@Geralt of Trivia NEW OBJECTIVE
“No one even mentions sexual orientation in the first game”
Joel + Tess
Tommy + his wife
Any of the many mentions of husbands/wives/girlfriends/boyfriends
Straight is an orientation, babeeeeee
Speaking of sexual orientation, this comment is fuckin gae.
Dude just because there’s some vague semblance of representation of hetero people, doesn’t mean there’s any tension. No one who’s ever got to second base ever thought Joel and Tess were gonna smash, same with Tommy and Maria. The only sexual tension exhibited by straight people in the series is between Abby and Owen.
Go masturbate, then touch grass.
@@tim.noonan so we had a straight sex scene and a gay one. Seems fair to me tbh
I liked Last Of Us 2. It was real. In reality you don't get what you want most of the time. Reality is ugly, unfair, and often illogical. Humans are often unethical and complicated. People change their minds about important things all the time.
I can relate to Elle changing her mind about killing Abby at the last second. I was abused multiple times physically, emotionally, and molested as a kid by 2 cousins and an uncle. As an adult I wanted to somehow get revenge on those that hurt me. But through therapy, meditation, and a higher power, I learned to forgive and let it go. It's in the past and living in the past can hold you back and make you miserable.
Holding on to so much hate is not healthy. It can cause heart problems, blood pressure issues, anxiety, and depression. For the longest I tried to figure out why those abuses toward me happened. I was looking for reason in illogical occurrences. It took me a long time to understand that it's something that simply happened. There's no explanation other than those family members found someone they could do whatever they want to and exploited the situation. It's as simple as older stronger people taking advantage of younger weaker people just because they can.
I know divine revenge is not always the case. But those that abused me paid for their misdeeds. One of those cousins got testicular cancer and had to have 1 testicle removed. The other contracted an incurable STD and now can't get a girlfriend as a result. The uncle got colon cancer and now has a colostomy bag.
I normally wouldn't wish any of this on anyone. Though, considering what those abusers did to me on multiple occasions, I'd say they got what they deserve. If they did that stuff to me as a kid, they likely did it to other people. So I have no sympathy for their situations. You act like an asshole, then your asshole gets cancer. You molest a child, then nature takes your testicle or you become a walking disease that no woman wants to get near.
Abby too got what she deserved, she got caught by The Rattlers and was forced to be a slave. She lost a lot of weight as a slave so she was imprisoned for a long time. Then she was crucified and left for dead. Again, I wouldn't wish that on anyone usually. But Abby was pretty awful and got what she deserved. Killing Abby wouldn't have changed anything. But letting the pain of loss go will. I'm glad Elle learned to let the past go and can now move on to live life instead of reliving painful pasts.
Damn you're really brave to be like this that's admirable.
I am glad you have moved on. I would also like to add on the initial point you made about people in general. I don’t understand how a lot of people just can’t get over the cause of Joel’s death. People usually become more passive and forgiving as they grow older. I’d like to think Joel become a lot softer after living a more comfortable life in a community that takes care of one another along with Ellie. Even if we accept the fact that he can just mentally turn on the vigilant and ruthless side of him like in his younger days in an instant after all this time, people make mistakes. Even the smartest human beings on earth slip up every now and then and end up doing something stupid. It literally happens all the time. People no matter how capable they are always make mistakes.
@@ajadler1629 Thank you. I find that writing about trauma online helps. Even if no one ever sees it. It's cathartic, like getting something off your chest that's been weighing you down.
@Imtiyaz Ur rasool Yes, I'm still surprised by how shocked ppl get when I boxer/MMA fighter that has a long winning streak finally gets beaten. A lot of sports fans are often mystified that they lost. But I know that anyone is capable of being defeated. Like you said, anyone, no matter how good they are, will make mistakes.
7:02 ironically, old guy’s wife’s name is Ellie
yo.
Hey dunkey, if u are still reading comments, I want you to know this is one of your best videos I have ever watched. Thanks
he reads comments?
@@shenanigun5576 he liked the comment, so yeah
@Toonfight Fan irony has no meaning any more
"wow this game sucks, but I've also never played this game before"
Internet community in a nutshell
person:actually enjoying a game
Dumbass:NOT ON MY WATCH PAL!!!!!
octopath traveller
@@ppurpleduck
That game sucks big gorilla dick,but i also haven't played octopath traveler.
@Cameron Coleman no harm done in that case
@Cameron Coleman haven't played it. classic!
My comment won’t make a difference in the issue, but as it stands, I’m sick of transphobic and homophobic bias being in every AAA release game review. I honestly hope they hated every second of the game so they can remember how they wasted their time and money supporting a good title
Yeah lamo I’m sick of it too a good portion of the hate this game garnered was because Ellie was a lesbian or Abby is buff lamo not the actual contents of the story witch are things that can be scrutinized
@@wiskerfall4519 those pussies just wanna shoot people and call it a day.
omg based dunkey viewers do exist
Gonna be honest feel like if Joel got killed by a muscular man named Adam instead there wouldn't be as much intense hate.
Like the voice actors and his baby wouldn't get death threats.
People who focus ways too much on a fictional characters sexuallity sre weirdos man. Doesn't matter if they're gay or straight.
Also some people act like muscular women dont exist when women in Pro Wrestling and MMA that match if not are muscular than Abby
@@tsarnicholasii6679 Man missed the part where they were raising whole ass cattle herds and had a cafeteria handing out food and a frickin gym in the base at the start of abbys section.
@@tsarnicholasii6679 Yes it does honestly? I mean you can see their setup first hand, seems pretty solid.
Boston and Pittsburgh are irrelevant as Abby isn’t from either of those two QZs, one place struggling it doesn’t mean everywhere is having the exact same issues.
I am gonna say it once more, its just a blatant copy of guitar hero.
Yep its Set in the same universe as 3 and World tour
amazing how they had the balls to not put dk jr
Can’t believe I didn’t see this till now
Had me laughing real good! xD
Game is trash, not enough gex
"The year is 2001 and gamers are angry."
Things sure were different back then...
Yeah it was more than gamers feeling anger
@@dtmcnewjr are you even reading the same comment as me, that's exactly the opposite of what's being said
@Matt Mercer's Stunt Double you can't know that for certain, but I hope you're right
Metal Gear Solid 2?
@@Rexodiak Exoticwaffles is referencing 9/11.
I was living in a foreign country and travelling when this game came out. I loved the first one so much so avoided any and all spoilers except for the big one which was impossible to miss. Now after all these years I have finally played the game and watched my favorite youtubers 2 videos on the game. You explained the story and game so well. I am actually shocked at how good your story tellling is. Masterful description of a sad game and why it makes you feel sad and why the game did what it did. Noice
I’d wager that most haters of this game are young, naive men that haven’t really felt the sting of adulthood quite yet. That part of life when you realize that you aren’t that special, you won’t get everything you want, and that life’s difficulties never stop. TLOU 1 and 2 were so refreshing to me because they show how life truly is: Ellie doesn’t get to become the hero by sacrificing her life, Joel doesn’t get to reap the rewards of saving Ellie’s life and instead is hated by her, Joel isn’t a perfect “hero” who would never make a mistake and reveal who he was, Ellie realizes towards the end that she is just as bad as Abby for what’s she’s done, and the fairy tale love story on the farm with the baby ends because Ellie doesn’t actually love her spouse enough to stay. But it also shows that your little world of friends and family is worth trudging through life for. Yes, all of this shit is dramatic and set in a non-existent world, but there’s never been a game series that more perfectly matches the ups and downs of life. Anyone who hates this game should play it again in 10 years. You’d be surprised how your perception of it could change once life kicks you in the balls/vag a few times.
Aye I agree with you quite a bit. I feel like some people who feel robbed of seeing more Joel and Ellie have no idea what it's like to have a strained relationship with their father or mother. Not to get personal on TH-cam but I lost my father at a young age with his siblings being some pretty awful people. So to see Ellie learn to let go of her hate and learn from Joel's absence and the mistakes they both made, knowing they'll never talk it out, hit so close to home
Thank you for assuming my life experience and what U went through because I didn't like your videogame
You are so wise and mature
@@randomusername3873oof whit a comment that passive-aggressive like that is not hard to assume 😂😂😂
True that you wouldn't get everything you want, but also true that you wouldn't get nothing you want.
You are at least... Somewhat special
The real problem with this game was the lack of playable giraffe DLC.
THIS
No giraffe !! INSTANT dislike
“Deep storyline with white straight protagonist” You can’t make this shit up
It's so completely fucking bonkers of a viewpoint that it's almost a parody of itself.
y'know Poe's Law? the one that says that sometimes it is impossible to tell apart satire from actual extremist belief? Not in this case. Nobody could satire this shit up.
Eli's gay😐
@@asherashenclaw1448 try hard enough and everything is a satire
@@khasibmc6526 you completely missed the point of the comment
just go to 4chan pretty much 99% of the people on /v/ are like this
The hardest part about this story, is understanding that in order for Ellie to move on and be happy, she needed to let go of Joel. After the incident in Seattle, Ellie was just hunted by both Joel’s death, and her unquestionable failure of killing Abby. The world around Ellie is crashing down with walls surrounding her as she tries to be with her family. Personally, Tommy did not guilt trip Ellie. Ellie was looking for any excuse to go after Abby.
After Seattle, their was no more leads on Abby’s whereabouts. She was now lost to both Tommy and Ellie, a ghost, an urban legend. The fact that their was a solid lead at all, was pure narrative luck. While Tommy suffered physically, Ellie continued to suffer within. Her attachment to Joel ultimately destroyed her relationships as she and Tommy started to immortalized Joel.
Their was no need to go after Abby. Their was no need to fighter or kill her. What people forget is that Ellie could have killed Abby. Even within the cinematic cutscenes, Ellie is shown with her guns on the side with a switchblade ready to gun her down or slowly torture her. But it’s her actions and carful line of dialogue that the player starts to understand or questions Ellie’s motivations and goals here.
Never once within the last section of the game, does it state that Ellie wishes to kill Abby. She never once says even with herself, “I’m going to kill Abby.” Or “i’m going to make Abby suffer.” And even when Ellie finds and sees Abby helplessly hanging within the pillars, she never once states her true intentions. Ellie has the opportunity to end the “monster” that took everything from her. Ellie made the hardest choice within her life. Ellie and Abby’s last fight wasn’t even about Abby. It was the fight of wether Ellie could let go of Joel, or be a slave to his immortalization.
@Tripod9648
Thank you for breaking that down. I love learning these deeper meanings that I didn't fully pick up on.
Awesome perspective. Personally, I think Ellie wanted to -defeat- Abby rather than kill her. To turn her back into a human rather than an 'urban legend', as you put it very aptly.
This is why Ellie doesn't just cap Abby as soon as she sees her hanging there, and why she chooses a physical duel instead. Because Ellie still needed to prove to herself that she could take on the thing haunting her nightmares, and tear it down to earth. I think that's at least part of it, anyway.
@@confusionandcreation6036 This is why i love this game, interpretation is key. Me, i’m looking at the symbolic hidden meaning behind the fight, not the actual reason for why the fact had to happen in the first place. Like your theory is also correct, Ellie wanted more then a bullet to the head. Maybe she felt an obligated to fight her, maybe she wanted to prove something to herself. But Joel is always the center behind all of her actions. Weather she’s doing it for or because of Joel, it’s up to use to interpret.
@@Tripod9648 Amen to that!
@@VergilDarkslayer What are you talking about? and what exactly are you referencing?
"At times I even felt emotion" sounds like a back-handed compliment.
"Only if you promise to ride me as much as you ride your bike"
I've just cringed into oblivion
It reminds me of the infamous cringy line from death stranding. Even so I liked both stories of days gone and death stranding. They do have cringy lines
right? she can't even carry him that far... the bike is obviously batter
@@dihyaneverforget5163 Right!? The bike is a vehicle, actually designed to carry another human person! Very poor game design by Bethesda.
There's context to that line in Days Gone that makes it less cringey.
@@yoggs No it doesnt lol
you're very clearly dodging the main criticisms against the game. people are obviously just upset that time travel monkey didn't end up being the father of all characters
Exactly my guy 0/5 dunko points
Wtf? Why do you think Ellie is immune in the first place?
Read the damn wiki
Oh God here we go again🙄. Everyone needs to get over it. They clearly explained why the time travel monkey wasn't the father of all characters.
If you watched the end credits you get an explicit scene of TTM giving birth to everybody
And giving special blood to Ellie
Now that the show is out and getting good reviews how they pull off 2 is going to be fascinating. The casting/writing of Abby is going to need to be next-level perfect, that whole story beat depends on making us go from loathing her to begrudgingly liking/understanding her.
Too bad Jocelyn Mettler’s not an actor.
(She’s Abby’s body model fwiw, and yes she’s actually that jacked)
I'm pretty sure there won't be a sequel for the show. Having watched it, the final episode didn't provide any insight to the surgeon operating on Ellie. This supposed Abbey, or even any other side character for the hospital.
It ends pretty much exactly as the original, which I don't mind. But makes me realize there probably won't be more.
@@DondonII they confirmed that they’re writing season 2, but time will tell when/if that actually materializes.
Which is why this game is a masterpiece of using the medium to tell a difficult story. I honestly think the show is going to struggle to make the viewers empathize with Abby without that empathy supercharging you get by becoming the character. Like look at the response to the game, despite them using every trick in the book, and the unique power of game's to functionally make you the character in the narrative, you still have neanderthals screeching about it despite throwing their controller at the wall and never finishing.
If you dont like the zombie game you are a literal caveman
It’s one thing to dislike something personally. It’s a new level of douchey to get angry at someone else for not also disliking it with you.
What are you guys, 12? You can’t handle someone not agreeing with you?
Then dunkey is equally stupid. He can't accept that other people dislike this game
@@electricluna2774Yes he can. Watch the video
@@DeutscherPatrick lol youtube apparently refuses to let me see what the guy said. It says "2 replies" but when I open them I only get to see yours. I've been googling the issue for a while now, and it's apparently really common, but it's weird that you get to see it. Like, it's only hidden from me apparently
@@charliebeareuwufunny because earlier today I could see the replies but now I can’t. Not even mine haha. Yea that happens a lot sadly
because “youtube funny man no agree with me, me opinions feel invalidated, funny youtube man HATES me, I HATE funny youtube man”
Hopefully they can get donkey kong in the next one though.
Doubt it. They’ll have to settle for Knuckles
Ellie in Smash?
Dunkey Koing
@@matthewferrell4274 No Joel
@@ricardohoang8452 No if we're getting a Sony character, we need KNACK BABY!
I will now refer to "Nakey Jakey" as "Yoga Jake", because it sounds real smooth. Thanks Dunk.
Do you wanna date my mom
@@leonwakefield1514 sounds like he doesn’t. Can I take his place? Been feelin lonely since NNN.
@@leonwakefield1514 leon im much better than anyone else please choose me.
@@leonwakefield1514 I'm afraid I'm going to also have to throw my hat into this ring
@@leonwakefield1514 LETS GOOOOOO
Newest comments are always a joy to read. Dunkey said it best, he shitted on beloved games for years but the moment he likes a game is the moment a massive amount of people shit on him.
"This game must be the game that can enter the list of games I don't like." -Gex
This game was worse than that time at Matt Lauers house
Can this comment format end already?
I guess this is why Joel didn't drink tap water at Jerry Garcia's house.
You joke, but did you know that the real Joel from the original TLOU actually OD’d on the weed so they had to replace him with abbey?
What are you doing here Monokuma?! I won't let you kill any more students!
Damn, this comment reminded me of playing golf at Abbey's fortress.
I freaking love Dunkey's videos so much
You guys know people have survived getting shot in the head in real life like Tommy did right like this is not an impossible concept man
True but the difference is tommy was left to bleed out on the floor with no medical supplies for around 5-10 minutes, also they werent in jackson or anywhere with a surgeon or a experienced doctor so it doesnt really make a lot of sense that he just magically is healed.
@@frostykirby455 it is a video game.
I like how the first User review was dated *before* the game even came out.
What the fuck
@@NicTheGreek1979 6 months early? Really? And it's a "User", not a verified critic.
Just think for a few minutes, maybe?
@@NicTheGreek1979 The only content they could have reasonably had at that point would be leaks, and that's even pushing it. And if you judge something by leaks, you're stupid as hell. Also, the early leaks were inaccurate in tons of ways.
Also, the game wasn't even fully developed at that point. Development ended sometime around March 2020, I'm pretty sure
@@NicTheGreek1979 sure
@@NicTheGreek1979 "User" means public user review. A teenager would get this. And if this is a person who received their copy early, 6 months early in fact, we can assume this person was handed over a copy for promotional purposes. If that is the case, shouldn't they make a bigger review, compared to just a user comment review? Like a whole blog post or a video? I've been seeing you on various comment threads, my guy. You're not the brightest, stop acting like you are.
probably review bombing? people were reviewing CP2077 before it came out too
I feel like politics has invaded all of gaming. They even made Dixie Kong a girl like what everyone knows that girls don’t exist
EDIT: How in the hell did an actual political debate start from this comment about monke
Fact
This is what I love about SIG, even though the video does not have Dixie Kong he still gave it a 4/5. Truly an unbiased youtube commenter.
Fool. clearly, you haven't played the game at all. Otherwise, you would have known than Dixie Kong is a Monkey.
if girl no make pp hard = politiks
Well dkc does have Candy Kong ;)