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i love you guys I just wanted to say that down here in the comments usually I'd promote my feet pics but this time I just wanna say I appreciate you and I know that a lot of you will disagree with what I have to say in this vid and I think that's beautiful and interesting as fuck to talk about and it's what I love about video games but anyways stay safe gamers lets get them endorphins and seratonies goin in the chat I haven't slept in like 30 hours so words are hard but lets goooooooooooooooo
LOVE YOU BABE!!!!!
Can I still have your feet pics though? Btw this is a great video
feet pics when?
I love you Jakey, but like in a bro way, I hope thats ok
I think you’re wrong but good try man.
How does Jakey even play the games he’s only like an inch tall on my phone screen
Oh you sombitch!!!
This interaction pleases my gremlin brain
Jakey I will fight you for making a video thanks so much
He plays on my screen. I have a giant wall-size TV that I have scaled him to real person size.
That's why the accessibility options in TLOU2 are so good, it even allows tiny lil baby men like Jakey to play it
Jake is such a sellout. This is just an ad for Menards. We see you.
I live in the midwest and Menards is my go-to
Won’t lie, when the jingle came on I was fucking shook.
As an employee, hearing that jingle for the billionth time made me want to hang myself but Jakey kept me powering through it.
@Shaman Xeed I had a stroke while trying to read your comment goddamn
@Shaman Xeed ok buddy
being in a cult, playing the guitar, and getting stabbed is the quintessential Seattle experience
LOL. for me it was more like working 60 hrs a week in a bleak office w the most boring people in America and never seeing the sun
@@jugo1944eh, same thing
😂😂😂😂😂
As a Seattleite, yeah.
I wonder if the game would have worked better if you played as Abby the whole game avenging her father with no idea who he is, and then it ends with her killing Joel.
That's great as hell,
An amazing idea,
I wish was true,
But part 2 is made
In the end, this is not the multiverse; it can't be reversed unless part 2 gets a reboot after decades 😢
Something like this requires intrigue. Maintaining such intrigue in a game lasting 15-20 hours will be incredibly difficult. The first question is “who was your father?” and the answer is “he was a doctor” and boom, 99% of players would have guessed right away.
@@BiriBiri925not even mentioning how difficult that would have been to market or sell. I still think if we played as her segment first it would work better imo
Part 2 could’ve been a “prequel” with the marketing being it will be a trilogy so part 2 is the Abby story and the ending can be her seeing joel or something so part 3 leads to this multi layered thing
As it's own game yes but I think everyone would expect for Joel's and ellie's story to go further. That's why I don't think if there is a part 3 that it will be about totally new people and still will probably be about ellie or maybe abby but no new people
But when the world needed him most, he vanished.
What happend to him?
Come on. He had a great run last year have him a break. Fact that he gave us an almost 1 hour of content before he goes haitus is in itself got to have a credit. We're selfish.
There's a different comment here that said he's working on a speedrunning video
@@giantclaw138 He probably wants to do the speed running community justice and do a lot of research
@@MrAWESOMEFACE37 Agreed. I would kill for a speedrunning video that's structured like Summoning Salt's but with Jakey's style.
Roses are red
Game design is hard
Save big money
At Menard’s
U damn right son
8:28
Florida man: you have intrigued my interest
big money salvia?
1000th upvote
I scroll for like 2 minutes to find this
The ai in the game were so intelligent that they contradicted the small brain message of the story. They’d beg for their life if they were wounded then shot you as soon as they got a chance.
Sounds like you’re the one with the small brain and just didn’t understand the story.
It’s the duality of man
That's why I don't get this video?
The gameplay and gamedesign in general was absolutely stunning. No other game comes even close.
The story is the problem with this game and even that is executed well
@@yipperdeyip He didn't say the gameplay was bad, he said the game DESIGN was bad. He said he enjoyed the hell out of the combat. Also, if your gameplay actively heavily conflicts with your story, like the comment you are replying to, it in a way is bad gameplay. You don't get the title of the video, because that's all you read, you can't say you don't get the video, because you haven't watched it.
@@TheChurchofJim
Gotta love how games that are the best of the best get the most amount of criticism by people on the spectrum.
Ubisoft never gets any shit and people just expect mindless "fun" from their mediocre games.
But when devs aspire to be the best, deliver amazing polished experiences (which is rare in itself), the army of reddit nerds come in droves to bUuUt aKsHuaLyyy 🤓🤓
the only way that pregnant soldier works out as a plot point, is if you don't know anything about pregnancy and think it just makes you big and a bit slow.
They 100% included it for a girl power moment without realising how stupid it is.
@@danieldimov8625 Think they included it because she wasnt actually a soldier going to the frontlines like Jakey implied, shes a medic moving from one area to another area and gets ambushed, pregnant people are still capable of sitting in a truck which is really all she expected to be doing.
@@connorbranscombe6819 Is that why she was carrying a gun around? Simply climbing onto the truck is dangerous enough at the stage she was at. And think about it, the world ended almost 25 years ago, humanity is slowly rebuilding but the world still is extremely dangerous and filled with zombies and cults like the one we see in the game. Humans are needed more than ever, so children and pregnant women are of extreme importance. So what do we do? Let's just send out a heavily pregnant woman out there, fuck it why not. Even if she was only a medic, the simple fact she isn't inside the stadium where her and her child are safe is extremely stupid and non-sensical. At no point throughout the Abby section do we get hints that the WLF are so short on hands that they send out someone like Mel. It's just a girl boss moment that makes no sense.
At least it's not as bad as Wolfenstein 2 where the pregnant lady is in the enemy base guns blazing throwing grenades shirtless
@@raptorjesus5488 Oh god don't remind me lol
“In The Last of Us Part II, I became disappointed.”
That one line was like when your cool and funny uncle gets serious.
Then comes back and struggles to open a beer
@StuckDucks Many people, including me, would disagree, I don't know how you would stretch a few days in Seattle and a day of Santa Barbara between multiple games, they even did both sides of the story for both of the characters and it still wouldn't be able to be put into multiple games, it would get very repetitive very fast, they left it at a good point, with Abby and Lev going to where the fireflies are trying to build up and Ellie knowing that Dina left her. The game was amazingly written and shouldn't be looked down upon as the big disappointment of 2020, I have played the game to death with over 26 playthroughs with 18 of those being grounded challenges. I hope you read this and take some of what I said into mind.
@@honestlyowain1121 I mean they coulda wrote it differently?
@@honestlyowain1121 Here's the thing though: In the first game you followed the same two characters without it getting repetitive. When people say that the writing is shitty in this game, they don't mean part II on it's own. If you look at it as a standalone, the writing isn't horrible, it's just bland. The issue people have is that they took established characters and had them do things that they would never do based on what we know of them. They had characters who had no place acting as stupid as they did do so for the sake of the narrative they wanted to tell. I imagine if they made this game as a standalone set in the same universe, it would've gotten far less flak.
I'm glad you enjoyed the game, and got your money's worth out of it with 26 playthroughs. However, that doesn't make it amazingly written, or even well written. I've enjoyed the hell out of games that were honestly dog shit. It is possible to enjoy something bad.
@@honestlyowain1121 There are also just as many that absolute didn't like this game at all. Actually, this was literally 3 entries smashed into one. And yes, they need more breathing space for each of the plotlines to be better developed and actually have weight and impact to it. It commits so many cardinal sins of bad writing (from expository dialogue that spells out character development that only matters in one or two scenes, contrivances and bad decision made by characters that go against their established traits or actions, and a bloated 3rd act that goes on for too long and unwittingly thrusts a new enemy group at the last minute, completely does a 180 on its themes in the most incredulously jarring matter, and ends up diluting its point by the very end of the game) that it is hard to ignore the issues upon a second go around. It doesn't help that this game offers nothing after beating it outside of extra difficulty modes and challenges. The pacing was complete slog to get through and I would have had each day back and forth and had the flashbacks be the introduction to the story instead. There is a good story here to tell but the structure and pacing dilutes and kills the emotional impact of those moments that should land.
Nakeyjakey: Last online 1 year and one month ago today💔
One of the comments is favorited by jakey, that comment was made a month ago, so that means he is alive and well on youtube
@@mr.mediocre8487 he's slumbering, growing stronger for his return.
@@mr.mediocre8487 thank you for this update - i’ve had a pit in my stomach worrying about him
almost 7 now D:
I was also very worried about him
I can’t find who said it for the life of me, but someone said that the game clicked when they saw Abby on that post at the end of the game because they thought she was already dead. Someone else had gotten to her before Ellie could. Yeah she’s dead, but ELLIE wanted to kill her. A hollow feeling starts as the cycle of violence was all for nothi-
Oh motherfucker she’s still alive?
Reminds me a bit of Silent Hill 3. Actually when you come to think of it, the very basic plot of tlou 2 is somewhat similar to Silent Hill 3.
Very very good point. Because you know whats a show that did thst and its payoff was absolutely fantastic? Vinland Saga
fuck that would be so much better, god damn
It was purposeless rabbit holes
Missed the point of the game AGAIN. It's all for nothing because it's not only useless but AN OBJECTIVELY BAD THING TO DO to still seek revenge and kill her. She's actively saving a kid's life by being alive herself, all of her actions were justified, she showed herself being the better person again and again and Ellie STILL!!! STILL misses the point, as most players did.
To be fair to Gears of War, the reason why the characters slow down for dialogue scenes is so the game can load the next area, it's not purely for narrative. Most AAA developers misunderstood this and now we have slow walking gameplay segments where characters will rattle off exposition in our AAA games.
Really? Never knew that. I’ve also never played any Gears of War games.
First three are excellent, other ones are meh
So my theory for Jakey not uploading is that Naughty Dog devs weren't happy about his opinions and literally put a alligator under his bed and it fucking ate him
Hey that's a good game as your pro pic
Im going to have to agree, although it could’ve been something more discreet. Like 100 rats or 10000 fire ants
Went out like Carl Weathers in Happy Gilmore
Nah the anti lou2 crowd definalently did that to him.
Yall were ruthless with dunkey and looking at the 10k dislikes I bet a majority were mad that he was nice about the game
@@dennisbowen452 what about the 300k people who...liked it tho? What are you even talking about?
This dude always yellin like his parents are asleep in the next room.
They are
Miss you dad
”Hooooooooly sssssssshiiiiieeeeeh”
Your mom is asleep in the other room XDDDD
XD
Man, that "only one outcome" where Abby and Ellie fight and Abby dying is a Game Over got to me. I really wanted to just let Ellie win that situation but it wouldn't let it happen.
Ellie did win that situation, letting Abby go was the only scenario where Ellie won.
At the end of it all, I was a sad that I was fighting Abby. I honestly didn't want to kill her
The only way ellie could win in this game is if she never left jacksonville after joel dies. The moment she steps out she lost.
I absolutely hated how you couldn’t kill Abby. That game was such a middle finger 😂
Same, that is how you are meant to feel but people want status by showing off how much they hate Abby etc@@DJVideso
I love the fact that almost all the clips of Jakey's BOTW gameplay features Link sniping enemies with a bow while wearing the Sheikah set. All roads lead to stealth archer.
I've watched this video about 200 times and I just noticed the "Double Kill" sound effect when Ellie kills the pregnant girl
oh my god
21:42 here?
nooooooo
@@Spillow-C 20:24 very faint
i dont hear it
For all those interested I translated those weird symbols (Wingdings). It says:
"Hey guys I'm releasing new music soon hehe haha I love that you translated this xoxo"
I know Jakey too well at this point, he wouldn't mess up an opportunity like this.
Heck yeah
Well done sir very clever
I knew something was up with those wingdings
oh
wheres the time stamp?
Spec Ops: The Line did what Part 2 was trying to do way, way better than part 2 before even the first one even came out.
Great example. And that huge shock to realize that YOU were the one who released the white phosphorus on civilians actually felt twisted.
The only shock from TLOU 2 was just how quickly Joel’s death was. I thought it was extremely unique to brutally kill a beloved protagonist in that fashion, but I hated how they followed it up. Completely wasted potential.
That game shocked the heck out of me
First time I've seen anyone say anything nice about Spec Ops
Mostly because everyone calls out that, when you take a step back, its "YOU are doing this" message doesn't work when you literally cannot do anything else in the game, so if you don't want to do the big bad war crimes, all you can do is just not play the game
Meaning you spend money to play a video game that actively wants you to stop playing it
And also how indie sensation Undertale blows it out the fucking water on what Spec Ops was trying to do with its genocide route
@@WhimsicottFanaticI think the thing about Spec Ops:The Line is that it saves its twist until the end. Up until that point, it just seems like a typical Call Of Duty affair, and it's less about your actions as a player specifically and more about this character you happen to be in control of. He controls the narrative, you just follow along. Less of an MGS3 "The Sorrow" type thing where it's specifically supposed to be about your choices as a player
And moreso just flipping the typical gameplay structure of a war-glorifying shooter on its head
"Do you feel like a hero yet?"
Literally my first thought when I beat the first LOU was "Fuck, they better not make a sequel because that was perfect."
After playing 2 for the first time last year, I am treating it like the Avatar Movie. It doesn't exist
@@austinhuffman855 I was a mess for a bout a week after i finished part 2. It was incredible rollercoaster of emotions
Finally, someone I'm in sync with.
I’m glad they did, because the sequel was vastly superior to the original
I find it funny that people praise the first game when it is the most bog standard story there is.
Not going to lie, I forgot this game had zombies
We all did, homie
Damn really, I haven't play the game yet and tbh honest I'm seeing way less clickers in this game than in the first one
@@MrLachapell Well that would make sense right? Its mutliple more years after TLOU, and even in TLOU the infected were becoming less of a threat then the humans were, it only makes sense that as time goes on there'd be less infected.
@@connorbranscombe6819 Yes, and no. To think that would be plausible, it would also mean that there should be more survivors now or probably a city turned safe haven. But nah... we are just watching a movie about revenge and "Forgiveness"
@@connorbranscombe6819 you're right
When a video game tries to guilt me into involving myself with a cycle of violence but provides me no alternative to doing the violence, I just do the violence harder to spite the game.
👌😂
Although a little bit different as it's more similar to the story of tlou1 in this regard , I think the original Nier game did this much better ( also no real spoilers but i'd be talking about vague story " outlines " so i'd still avoid reading if you haven't played it ) , where you're set on a specific path of violence throughout the story and the game flips it on you in the end by revealing information you haven't been told before . but it works cuz it's a lot more complex than tlou2's message of just saying killing bad , don't kil . Plus , it challenges your view of the game and your actions all while giving you a hard choice at the end , I want to talk about the details but I don't wanna spoil it cuz a remake is coming next year and I think it's a game that everyone should play without knowing much about the story
@@lynackhilou4865 cool read, never finished the first one but adore it to this day, thank you
Exactly. At that point I’m doing it out of frustration. The game is trying to make a statement about how “violence is bad”, whilst actively encouraging only violence. Thats why when the character’s in the cutscenes are having a moral dilemma, I’m going ultra John Wick once the gameplay starts.
Flower_Tower good for you, my guy. I personally wasn’t a fan gameplay-wise, but I though the story was dope af. Automata was where it was at for me on both ends
You know what game did this “Revenge is bad” thing much better? Sifu. An extremely different type of game, but hear me out. You start off being killed alongside your dad, but you come back for a reason you don’t know yet and you go to kill all the people responsible, who comprise of this small group of martial arts masters with magic powers, but is lead by someone who isn’t shown to have any real power that would help him in combat (some heavy MGS3 inspiration there) and the games immersive, difficult and satisfying combat helps you on this quest, you don’t even kill everybody along your way- some maybe, but the wide majority of jobbers can be seen writhing on the floor in pain, you’re just trying to get to the people on top who you know are responsible for the death of you and your father. You feel like an absolute badass taking everyone down, and when you finally get to the last guy, the conversation you have reveals that he was practically your older brother, he has all of your moves and probably uses them more effectively than you at this point in the game. When you finally kill him you find out that he killed your father because he wanted to get to this magic pendant that would bring back his wife and daughter, but after realizing his mistake he decided to give it to you. To which you are given a message along the lines of “To use Wude is to show that you can easily beat someone, and when you decide not to, they won’t want to fight anymore.” This gives you at least a base level of guilt, and as you replay through the campaign, you find out that all of the figure heads are kind of pathetic, each with their own problems. In order to spare them all, you essentially have to make the situation harder for yourself, and extend the fight, and then spare them just before handing them the finishing blow. This strategy makes you feel like you are doing the right thing, while still making you feel like a badass, so the quality of the game is not diminished by the story. And sparing the last boss is an extremely difficult task, because he doesn’t want to be forgiven and makes it as hard as possible to spare him, by the time you’ve gotten the good ending, you feel like a true unbeatable master, yet you feel smarter and wiser than when you started, and the best thing is that it was all your choice, the game naturally directed you to do the bad thing first without forcing you, you could’ve gotten the best ending first time around but it manages to make you feel bad for your choices, and satisfied when you rectify them- I don’t think it could’ve been done better.
Shout out to Menards, that place is terrifying, it's like a Costco had a baby with a Home Depot
My main takeaway: east coast needs a Menard's
Home Depot take it or leave it
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I live in Mi and have a Menards here
Theres the home depot i guess
Nice
‘And I became disappointed’
Damn, sorry Dad
Shit that's why you disappeared when are you going to come back.
Hi disappointed, I'm dad
@Shaman Xeed shut up oh my god shut up stop talking
I think the core thing, for me, is that this type of game doesn’t see the game play as part of the art but as something to get to the art and in doing that not only hurts the game but also how people view video games as a medium.
The best games use their gameplay to tell stories by itself and in concert with the actual story
Like many Sony exclusives, these are movies first, games second.
Interactive movies.
I agree and I don't think it can easily be any other way. It is being achieved from time to time in the industry and only in specific parts of some games but it is not something to be expected.
3A games have to check some boxes and all of the 3A industry uses fighting as their primary challenge for the player. And it makes sense, games are perfect for this, emulating flights or exploring a world. Because of that though its difficult to be completely coherent as pieces of art. Only indie games have this luxury.
So yeah , all the killing in tlou2 must be disregarded to some extent if you want to allow yourself to be convinced by its story. It's a pact between the player and the developers, unique to this medium of entertainment but not unlike other pacts in different forms of entertainment. Like theater, where one can wave invisible props (e.g. blades) around and everything is ok. Cause the actors or the developers or the directors are not your opponents, they are your allies. And if for some reason you start experiencing anything in bad faith then it will 100% let you down.
The shadow of the 1st tlou is the only reason people talk negatively about the 2nd one. It's understandable but one should reflect on it if he wishes to enjoy the tlou2 for what it is , and not get overran by negativity because of what it's not. Cause there not gonna be another tlou1 ever again.
How is the gameplay not supposed to be part of the art? Most of the impact comes from the way and order in which you're put into the shoes of these characters throughout the course of the story.
I especially don't understand how you could look at both of the Ellie/Abby fights with the context around them and really think that gameplay is an afterthought when it comes to the experience as a whole. Unless I'm misinterpreting your point?
@@noicoiner6151he's saying that the gameplay of murdering people because it's fun (the game wanted to make it fun, pls don't argue about this) is disconnected from the story which is about forgiveness and letting go of revenge.
Is anyone almost irrationally annoyed at Abby's dad saving a ZEBRA?
Of all the animals to put resources into saving...during an apocalypse after the collapse of civilization...you choose a zebra??
One of the most unpleasant & useless species on the planet! That are meant to live in giant herds with fellow zebras out on the savannah. This isn't even the right climate for them!
I'm sorry, but you're not going to convince me Abby's father is able to provide a great quality of life for zebras in his situation...and it's not like he's attempting to rebuild their population & natural environment, where they can survive in the wild. It's not like he can get anything out of that zebra either.
No milk, no eggs, no good meat, no reliable young to eat...can't ride it, no physical labor it could help with, no protection it could provide. Can't even pet the damn thing or use it for warmth via snuggles in cold weather. It's never going to show affection or form a real relationship with you.
If anything, that zebra is going to hurt people and risk alerting passerbys to their location...while you dump precious resources & time into keeping it caged & alive, until it dies or escapes.
The risk he's taking (and therefore making everyone who depends on him take) is not worth it in any way.
I am convinced that the only reason they chose zebras is because they could use an easy horse model but give it pretty coloring, making it stand out. I mean, it's definitely a prettier animal to watch him wrangle, compared to a horse or a cow...or one of the other animal species that would actually make sense.
I agree. Using a zebra is just lazy booking
“A triple A game that doesn’t rely on mindless violence as the primary game mechanic”
Love it or hate it: Death Stranding
Yup - they should have removed those boss fights. Would have made the game even better.
The biggest problem with gaming nowadays is that every game has to appeal to everyone, which usually means 1 of 3 types of games. And that problem leaks over into consumers as well. Instead of people saying “Death Stranding is a really unique game that I’m not into” everyone just thinks “You don’t do anything, this game is shit and pretentious.”
@👁 Hilarious how you say that when games like Portal 2 and Minecraft are critically acclaimed.
You know I had a very bad case of the common cold around the time that game came out. I played that game for like nine days straight while suffering through the worst headaches and fever I've had in years and to be honest the sort of calm and chill gameplay that didn't require too much thought really helped me through that time. It's not a game I'll revisit anytime soon but I do appreciate it existed when it did.
Bobby Jimboy I don’t even like Death Stranding that much really. It’s a seriously flawed game that thinks it’s being more profound and inventive than it is. My point isn’t that we shouldn’t criticize games or that “artistic” games are automatically better. What I’m saying is that mainstream gaming has become so homogenized, that people no longer appreciate creative ideas.
Look at Spider-man on PS4. Really fun game, but it plays like a checklist of every overused AAA mechanics ever. Same thing with Dad of War. Very few people are going to argue it isn’t a well made game, yet it also plays like the most generic amalgamation of overused AAA game tropes. Games like Death Stranding, The Last Guardian, Killer 7 don’t get the same automatic plaudits from fans and critics because they actually take risks and pose new ideas, while other games are seen as less flawed because they’re safer.
This is the most subliminal Menard's commercial I've ever seen
I feel like all their ads are subliminal. That theme songs enough to cause PTSD.
The sheer fact that I sung along with Jakey during that bit shows how effective their commercials are.
The motivator for me to bring Ellie across the country was the fact that I thought I was getting a crap ton of guns that Marlene promised 😂
Edit: I’ve never gotten this many likes?! Y’all just made my day 😁
I’m also still disappointed I never got those guns I was promised 😠😢
I've seen some TLOU2 defenders say that the deal was over the moment they left Boston. I find it funny that they thought they were making a remarkable point saying that when it just fueled my hatred for them even more.
@taeminislove you hate people because they like a video game?
bro goofy as hell@@taeminislove
Yeah and they never even gave them to you, they just put a gun to your back and told you to fuck off.
@@taeminisloveI enjoyed the game!
You can tell that they did the relationship between Joel and Ellie well when whenever Ellie is in about to be killed by a dude the player instantly feels that urge to drop everything and help her
I’ve lived in the midwest my whole life and I have never heard of Mendards before this video. After this video came out a Menards opened in my town, Jake summoned a Menards to my hometown and I’m scared.
Did you save big money?
@@Winford.Studios I think I’m going to whether I like it or not.
@@powersurge413 😂😂😂
If they have that root beer made with honey there, get it! It's some quality soda
@@sithconsole Holy shit that's the best
"Danny" has a Wiki page and it's pretty funny after watching this. "Trivia: Danny is never seen alive in-game."
Well, maybe, but that sucks way more than imagining that Danny was someone the player killed and built up a relationship with in gameplay without realising.
Really? I thought Danny was the guy who got hit by Ellie when she burst into the room. He was also the guy who _really_ wanted to kill her before they left.
@@123christianac nope,in the game they said Danny went on a mission with Owen and the reason why Owen didnt come back its because he was the one who killed Danny
@@therealjoker8490 I was referring to the scene when Abby killed Joel. I thought Danny was the one Ellie hit before she was subdued.
@@123christianac ahhhhh ok
i feel the issue truly stems from the lack of a sequel being necessary, at all. like what you’ve emphasized, the power to draw our own conclusions from the first games ending is taken away from us, just as the power to choose our roles in the cycle of violence is nonexistent in the gameplay of tlou2.
I wholeheartedly agree. After finishing the first one I had no desire to see this story continue because that would make the ambiguous ending completely fucking useless and with part 2 it did exactly that
The last of us was a one of a kind game and it should’ve stayed that way imo
@@RaymondStormbl3ssed Its kinda like my feelings on the GodFather Part 2. There was no need for a third one.
Can I ask what conclusions you were unable to draw because of the sequel? Also, I really don't understand this "the power to choose our roles in the cycle of violence" take that I keep hearing. Like genuinely, what do you expect this game to be? Do you want the option to not go on the revenge quest? Do you want the option to kill Abby in the theater? Does the game just end right there when you make that decision, or were they supposed to create a second version of the game for when you decide you don't want to experience the story they wanted to tell?
And that's kind of the crux of it, too. The Last of Us is not a choose your own adventure game, it's a highly polished (in terms of visuals and sound) narrative game with shooting and scavenging.
I don't understand what ambiguous conclusions you're not able to draw from the end of the first game. Joel lied to Ellie. If you're engaged in the story, hopefully you understand why and think about the morality of that decision. The end. Part 2, Ellie found out. She confronted Joel and they begin to mend their relationship. Joel dies before their relationship fully heals, sending Ellie on a mission for revenge.
@@RaymondStormbl3ssed Can you explain what was ambiguous about the ending of TLoU 1 and why the sequel makes the ending of the first game useless?
@@usernamesareforidiot your mom
I think there is something Ellie should have asked that we both would have wanted her to ask, and would have even made TLOU2 more redeemable.
Why did you kill Joel?
She didn't even know. The player did, and Ellie was treated as if she already knew. She didn't.
In some way, I would have wanted to turn this whole revenge shit around for a good part of the game and let that question give birth to some form of bonding, however strange and tortuous that may be for the characters. We would get to know Abby at the same time Ellie did.
Though tbh, I'm just, like, not even able to write a single sentence without feeling like I might have to change a whole lot of shit
It would have made it make so much more sense for Ellie to consider sparing her too. Because she could have met Abby's dad personally before the surgery was going to start, so there could be some personal link there. Instead, from her perspective it seems like any random revenge murder, she suddenly feels the need to spare Abby. Would she have spared the brother of the guy who almost killed Joel when he was impaled on rebar if he turned up and killed Joel? Abso-fucking-lutely not.
She pieced it together that they were Fireflies. The surgeon being Abby’s father wouldn’t have meant anything to her since she was asleep the whole time and never met the surgeon.
@@PiesCanFly That is pretty much my point. Ellie had to guess, but then, she still had no clue as to why Abby was the one to do the deed.
If you wanna have a narrative in which you show that people have some humanity too, it's usually best that we find out along with the protagonist. That would also just make it much better for Abby and her crew. It would honestly just make the fact that she decides to randomly pardon her much more redeemable... In a future.
Or so I believe, of course.
@@Winasaurus The problem is Abby's dad was in the end, the one trying to murder Ellie. So it's hard to feel bad for him, even if it weren't Ellie he were killing. He's a doctor murdering a patient. Doctor's can't kill people to save others even if they consent.
@@lProN00blThe point is that Ellie doesn't even know why Abby did what she did. If she knew then there might be some slight hint of a reason to spare her (like feeling like they're even because they both had their dads killed or something), but because Ellie doesn't know, her sparing Abby makes absolutely no sense. Statistically her revenge killing Joel could mean she's from the cannibal group, or just fireflies in general, which wouldn't mean anything to her all so she would have no inclination to spare her. (If she was written consistently.)
elephant in the room?
Nah.
gator under the bed
gator under the bed?
nah.
Wasp in the spectacles.
@@RabidlyTaboo Bees and sawdust in the brain
wingdings at 8:21 says: "Hey guys I'm releasing new music soon hehe haha I love that you translated this xoxo"
You are doing God's work out here, chief
This like some 2008 video game easter egg man I love this fucking channel
Nice work chief
That's nice
What?! I thought that was just a visual gag! What the fuck? Is he loomuh-naughty?? Are you????? A....am i...?
He's not wrong.
TLoU ended perfectly and - much like Bioshock - I am blessed with the ability to stop my head canon right there and believe that there was never a second game.
What didn't you like about bioshock 2? Unless you're talking about infinite then that's understandable
I guess this was a long way of saying:
“If they wanted us to learn that killing is bad, they should have added in the option to not kill, like games of the past”
Like, bro, how you gonna try to make me feel bad for it when you don’t even give me the option to do good? That’s why everyone loved undertale, because if you’re a shit head the game makes you feel bad for it. But if you’re a good girl the game is harder but feels more rewarding.
Give me options so I, ME, feels like I’ve done something wrong and should have done differently. And if I do so make it matter otherwise, what’s the point?
Just like red dead redemption 2 too since I played both honorable and dishonorable and it breaks me anytime I see people treat arthur like a shit in the dishonorable even arthurs attitude changes and in his death the villain will shoot him and spit on him for being the piece of shit he is, and that alone felt really punishing especially its sad for someone like arthur.
Yeah but we have a movie style storytelling here. We see their story what we did as a player doesn't matter, gameplay kills doesn't matter, we do have canon cutscene kills so yeah we killed Abby's friends then we fight Abby, drown her and now killing is bad and I'm good now? Wtf? The gameplay part just got thrown out the window since it ends one way no matter what.
Hey yeah, remember Dishonored? A game where you play a literal superhuman that can unlock a shit ton of really cool and fun powers, but that usually kill people and lead to a worse ending in the game, providing motivation for you to improvise with less powerful abilities and remain stealthy and non-lethal? That was pretty cool. Too bad we haven't gotten anything like it since.
I think it's a bit more complicated than whether the game should allow you to do good. It largely depends on how well put the story is. Best example is one of my favorite games, Spec Ops, where your only option is to continue forward even though it becomes apparent that doing so just makes things worse and worse. What makes that game so good for me is that even though being the villain is your only option, it makes parallels between the choice of the player to continue playing the game and the characters for continuing with their mission.
Anyway, to keep it short making the player feel bad is okay if the game does it professionally.
Metro did it right
why do you have a gator under your bed.
Daddy claw
You're telling me you don't?
Yoooo it’s you
c a r p e t s a m p l e s f u r s u i t
I caught myself multiple types drifting in thought because of the underlying “gator” theme that can be found in this video
I beat the game awhile ago, but now just found your review. 100% agree. The gameplay and story points absolutely cudgel you into a corner and manipulate you emotionally. The flashbacks with Joel and Ellie highlighted what the game could’ve been, but in the end it was all too little too late to recoup what the last game did so exceptionally well.
They tried to do a moral parable about how the cycle of violence is bad and failed .
Very good video, you put into words what my brain was too tiny to explain, thanks Yoga ball gamer
Nice.
Damn dude
Oh your finally awake. You were caught trying to cross the border right?
Hahaha "tiny brain" XD haha
Gaming
The wingdings at 19:22 translates into:
"Hey guys I'm releasing new music soon hehe haha I love that you translated this xoxo"
Whats the one at 8:18 ?
@@deferencetodusk it's the same thing
I also love that you translated that xoxo kiss smooch muah muah love you drive safe
Literally felt like a teacher that was bad at his job trying to teach me on why revenge is bad 😂 that’s the game in a nutshell
dante’s inferno did something similar to metal gear solid. in the game you choose to absolve people of their sins or banish them to hell forever and at the end when you face satan the people you banished to hell or absolved of their sins comes to help you take him down.
"Save big money at Menards"
We now have a bond, You and I Jakey boy.
Was that a mystery science theater reference?
A very few select people are allowed to bond with m'nards.
I am currently watching this at a Menards
I used to work there and they used to play that stupid jingle constantly so I hate it with a burning passion, but he still managed to make me laugh
@@goldilux i hear it everday on the radio lol
When the world needed him the most, he came back.
stole the words from my keyboard
stole the words from my keyboard
Yaaaaaaaas
stole the words from my keyboard
Stole the words that stole the words that stole the words from my keyboard 🙄
I think the biggest issue I had with the story of TLOU2 is that any time Ellie had a large, significant choice in front of her, she sought out the option that made things worse for herself and others 90% of the time. Ellie makes evil, selfish and short-sighted decisions wherever possible. She makes life worse, and shorter, for everyone she cares about, and by the end of the game she has nothing and nobody, not even her connection to Joel via the guitar he taught her to play. She even made the worst decision twice, by going after Abby again after what her last expedition cost her family and friends.
There's no resolution. There's no growth. We watch our surrogate daughter from TLOU choose to devolve into the worst possible version of herself, and none of the agency we're afforded as gameplayers can stop it from happening. The best thing Ellie could have done at any point was stop, turn around and go home, try to live as best she can, keeping Joel's memory alive without throwing her life and others' lives away in pursuit of revenge; The best thing we can do as gamers is stop playing the game, and not follow her down that road.
There would've been "no growth" if she would've killed Abby.
The Ellie screaming "I'm going to fucking kill you" at the start of the game would've been the same Ellie who's screaming while drowning Abby.
Yes, the victim is responsible for the actions of someone unrepentantly violent.
By the way, this game was written by Neil Druckmann, who also fired people for being the *victims* of his sexual predator best friend, Robert Cogburn. That might explain why you're supposed to think this exactly. You're never supposed to broach the topic of why Abby never acknowledges what she's done as wrong, you're supposed to think everyone is wrong for wanting to stop her.
@@Shawak9 "there would have been no growth if she killed Abby" yeah, that was the point. That revenge is bad, and it would have driven the point home harder if she had gotten it and returned home to an empty house. It didn't make sense for Ellie to release Abby after seeing an image of Joel and getting her fingers bitten off. If anything, that should have made her want to kill her more. This is less about wanting Abby dead, and more about wishing that the writing would have respected Ellie's character and her motivations more instead of putting them aside in favor of preaching this game's message.
@@darthskele Yeah as you say I realized, these writers are bad and lazy. They don't think about honest character motivations, they just write the shit that comes to their brain without questioning it too much. They didn't dedicate years of their lives into understanding the character of Ellie it's us, the gamers.
@@darthskelei dont agree with this. Im not good with words so bear with me. Ellie’s writing would have been disrespected if she Did kill Abby. It’s pretty clear that her bloodlust for Abby is a mask to cope with her terrible ptsd and survivor’s guilt, its the only thing that keeps her going and Ellie just wants to stop seeing Joel’s mangled carcass every time she thinks of him. She knows full well killing Abby won’t make her nightmares stop, and when she sees her tied up and malnourished she doesn’t feel anything and doesn’t even attempt to kill her. The dialogues on the beach makes clear Abby is done and Ellie wants to fight her just because what was the point of everything then. She doesn’t even necessarily want to win, (if she cared about her life she wouldn’t have turned her back on Abby and told her to go, Abby could have killed her in a dozen different ways) she just wants to be finally at peace. It’s not explicitly told what goes on through her mind when drowning Abby, but in a moment of catharsis, hungry and tired and sad and destroyed and crying her heart out, she finally remembers Joel and lets Abby go. It’s not something she does to “preach the games message”, it’s something she does because she always knew, and always got told by others, it was pointless. Hell, she constantly draws months like a psycho on her diary because that’s what she knows she is, a stupid moth to a flame that’s only gonna burn her. Like the boat on the two title screens, she can finally let go, and when she does she realizes she is all alone. Her biggest fear, like she told us in tlou 1, being alone. Her horrible actions caused her to lose everything, from her mother’s knife, to Dina, to her fingers. But the worst thing that she lost was her ability to play the guitar, the only thing that ties her to Joel. When she leaves Joels guitar in the ranch, it’s her final goodbye to him, and the final goodbye to Joel from the game. Ellie can learn how to play left-handed, but she has to start from scratch, like she has to start from scratch rebuilding her life. A criticism i constantly hear about the game is “Ellie makes horrible decisions one after another, they wrote her like she’s a dumbass” and no, they wrote her like she’s mentally ill. Ellie is depressed, has survivors guilt from the hospital, severe ptsd, and people expect her to make lucid decisions. I think that’s overall what made people hate this game. It superficially disrespects the characters of Joel and Ellie, but in reality it just makes them real people, incoherent with themselves, emotional, making mistakes and paying for them in full. In short, Ellie killing Abby would have ignored her character arc, and made her just a static character with no internal turmoil. Just a “kill abby” machine. Would have been a terrible ending.
There's a Lebanese-Canadian dude that wrote a book called "Anima".
SPOILERS
The main character ends up leaving the bad guy stranded in the middle of nowhere so that vultures slowy pick him apart. That was good writing, because you didn't exactly know how the main character felt deep inside, as he was processing everything along the way. That was an unexpected take on revenge, which really stuck with me.
Ellie sparing Abby made some sense, but it was so poorly made clear why she did so that it just felt lazy. The game's visual identity is miles off the first game, since it's pretty much grey and wishy washy the whole time. Finally, Abby is unlikable as f*ck, simply put.
Part II was all over the place.
I did the flip, now I’m paralyzed from the neck down.
Then who is type comment
Dan he used speech to text
sucks to be you
@@plugshirt1684 then who is press speech to text button
@@Dan-ji4db He put his hands above his neck to type
Why does Jakey look like he's a part of a pyramid scheme
I'd let him recruit me for useless beauty products
cuz he's a youtuber
BITCONNEEECC
Have you ever wished you had financial freedom?
good for him he's apart and not a part
"Just like this gator I keep underneath my bed"
Nakey, I think that's a crocodile, not an alligator.
I also think in light of recent events that we shouldn’t forget that Druckman explicitly based the conflict between the WLF and Scars on the ongoing occupation of Palestine, makes this game even more absurd with its ideas around violence.
Could you provide a source for this? I haven't heard about it before
I found it interesting that Abby bit off TWO of Ellie's Fingers. Leaving her with just enough for Part 3.
Don’t you dare? I’d play it...
That's fucking deep
@Iqbal Fadhilah i was about to say that ellie now got that l4d3 hand
Left 4 dead 3 confirmed
@Iqbal Fadhilah I just commented that you're a wizard harry
Someones gonna make a game with just the rope from last of us 2
that was supposed to be death stranding
The last of us 2 was actually the first strand-type game
Aren’t you supposed to make another snake montage???
@@marsnil it's the revolutionary ladder mechanics game instead
@@marsnil Which is gonna be us in a few months
I for real discovered your channel yesterday and, oh my, you sir have produced some straight up legendary content. Not saying anything that hasn't been said already a thousand times over, sorry. Just simply wanted to voice my appreciation. Thank you.
The first time I encountered a safe, I just listened to the clicks to find out the combination and thought, “Oh, this is neat! You actually have to have an attention span and limited skill to get this extra loot!” Then, I realized, there’s always a note somewhere, which made it feel less significant.
I sense that your thought was the first design intention, and then someone whined about 'accessibility' and rather than have an option in the menu, they did the notes thing instead. (Unless there is such an option in the menu, then it's even worse.)
Jakey sounds like he's tryin not to wake up the neighbors tonight.
[ _silent screaming intensifies... mildly_ ]
Such a respectful boy
It's a sad day when you realize we're coming up on the the 1 year mark since Jakey's last video.
did he die?
@@mortennikolay Rip to a real one. We will keep you in our memories.
@@robertinogochev3682 what?
@@mortennikolay no, he's just on hiatus.
@@koolaidman4869 i think he said in a patreon post that he was working on music and vids, so i'm sure he'll be back sometime. i'll bet he's just grinding hard on his album; he's been talking about it for years, big dog deserves some time in the peace and quiet to get it done. honestly though, if and when he does come back to youtube, i hope he doesn't feel too much pressure to make something crazy for his comeback, since the increasing scope of his channel is probably part of what's led him to get so burnt out in the first place
One thing I often think about is how it's implied in the first game that the fireflies don't really know what the fuck they're doing, and they don't really know if they could really create the cure in the first place. The second game just proves that in this shitty world where people make the dumbest decisions, even if they had the cure, it probably wouldn't have solved anything. So uncle Joel was right for saving his surrogate daughter. But I like to pretend the second game never happened and they're still living in Tommy's camp trying to rebuild society.
You say that a cure wouldn't have solved anything, and you know how you can prove that beyond the shadow of a doubt?
*Nobody gets infected.*
If there was a one-off line of dialogue "FEDRA made and released an airborne vaccine that made everyone immune so no new infected can be created," would that have changed the story at all?
An issue I have with this game that I don't see a lot of people talking about is that pretty much the entirety of Ellie's character arc centers around her relationship with Joel. In the first game, Ellie's relationship with Joel was an important part of her, but she was still her own character independent from him. Core elements like her survivor's guilt, her relentless optimism, her sense of purpose, etc. are barely explored in the sequel and I think it's a large reason why her character is so much less engaging. It's a common complaint that toxic TLOU fans only see Ellie as an extension of Joel and not as her own person, but tbh I think the writers had the same problem
Wait really? I thought Ellie had her own distinct character away from Joel that I really liked. Especially with her interactions with the Allie’s throughout the game. Yes, Joel was a huge part but that’s because he’s the inciting incident and a hugely important person for Ellie. The story of her being unable to forgive Joel right until the last day before he died was fucking heartbreaking. And her story had parallels to Joel (though I think Abby’s story resembles Joel’s more closely) it was still her story and unique from the journey in Part 1. That’s my opinion.
@@bug688 your opinion is valid. I meant that Ellie's journey in p2 is mostly about her feelings regarding Joel's death, whereas in the first game, her journey was focused more on herself. I felt like her character arc in p2 relied way too heavily on her relationship with Joel, we don't see her grow and develop in any ways other than how she feels about Joel's death. At least that was my experience. I'm not good at putting my thoughts into words so I hope they make sense lol
@@claire1558
wow that's a surprisingly normal response. discussion around this game tends to incite lots of emotions lol. I think that's a fair critique however I don't really mind. For me, Part 1 was about the effects of Joel's grief over losing Sarah whereas Part 2 was about the effects of Ellie's grief and I was onboard with that story. If there's ever going to be a Part 3 (I think it got confirmed) then I think it's going to be a story about the redemption of Ellie (and probably Abby). but yeah thats basically my thoughts
The entire game exists to explore her survivors guilt, and is driven by her sense of purpose.
I think you missed the boat on this one mate.
This game isn't about her feelings on Joel's death, it's about how she uses those feelings to avoid dealing with how she feels about herself, the point is that she reacts to Trauma the same way Joel did and closes off.
It's about the person she was in the first game vanishing slowly as she becomes more like Joel in all the wrong ways, paralleling Joel's journey after he lost Sarah, where as Abby's story parallels Joel's personal redemption from the first game about opening up and doing more with your life than just surviving and focusing on your own misery.
Thanks for putting that in words, yes exactly 👍
The replies are fair, but to me Joel had a more well-rounded character after losing Sarah than he's given credit for, a path and sense of normalcy he created with Tess, his sense of humor, and his principles from even before Sarah died stayed true to him.
Granted Ellie's grief is much more immediate. I just don't know if the story not focusing on Ellie's other dimensions, because Ellie is choosing to ignore them, is a good justification to me, especially as the game felt so one-note. Also don't love the justification that Ellie becomes a closed-off version of Joel either, as we see in 1 that she does process grief differently from him.
Idk, her channeling all her old survivor's guilt into this unspoken repressed thing, the whole game, as she distracts herself with revenge... while Joel got a rich, varied arc to explore his issues. It's just not satisfying the way their growth was in 1.
As someone who hasn't played a naughty dog game since Crash 3, I can only conclude that Menards offers affordable prices for items to improve you home with
Ngl you had me in the first half
Bro, that discount area by the front door is KILLER. You can get a gigantic bottle of detergent for $10, while getting a new egg pan for $4, and a bag of chips for buy one get one free.
@@Deeplycloseted435 Menard's has everything, it's great
it does indeed :D it's really started outcompeting lowes as of these last few yearst to be honest!
Jakey just pulled a big daddy level "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed" on naughty dog damn
That's the best way to put it, love this.
If you're mad at the game, you're looking for a fight. If you're disappointed, you are a fan of NaughtyDog and the first game. Most sane people are just disappointed.
@@D.H.1082 I honestly enjoyed this game, and there is nothing wrong with liking it or hating it.
@@D.H.1082 most sane people loved the game
@@victor_734 I'm not invalidating you. You can exist with that opinion while I exist with the opinion that the game is unplayable halfway through.
i come back and watch this video all the time, it so perfectly captures and explains the conflicted feelings i had after the game. i think some of the core problems of the game wasn't only in that they force the player to act out all this violence to teach them "violence is bad and will get you nowhere" but that 1. this is already such an obvious, overused lesson that it becomes much less affecting and more childish (which just puts pressure on the creators to teach you this lesson in a new, compelling way that will actually make you think about it, which they didn't) 2. the game relied so heavily on shock value and excessive violence and neglected other areas that would actually render these shocking moments as things that mean something and SAY something rather than just, you know, shock you, and 3. unlike in the first game (where for pretty much the entirety of the game you are in the same headspace as joel and you do the things the game wants you to do because you want to do them as well because you learn and understand things at the same time as the characters and thus usually have the same motivations as them) in the second game you arrive at the conclusion the game is trying to get you to far too early. you know why the game is making you do this, you get the lesson, you get the motivation, and so (at least for me) you don't NEED to enact all this violence anymore, but the game forces you continue to do it over and over until the CHARACTERS finally reach the conclusion you as the player reached hours ago. and so regardless of how emotional or compelling the game was it still felt empty at the end. love the videos always jakey keep it up 🕺
God imagine thinking the message of the game was "violence is bad." Go back to playing Battlefield campaigns or something.
@@ImperialCaleb what's the mesage of the game then
@@foxwizards The main theme is moving on, and the thematic message is that you need to move on from pain before it kills your soul and drives people away (or in the extremes, literally kills you and others.) Saying it's about how violence is bad is like saying Apocalypse Now is about how violence is bad. Yes... it is technically showing you that violence is bad. But saying that's the point, it's childish.
@@ImperialCaleb fair enough, i can see that. thanks for taking the time to answer, i often miss or misunderstand themes in things
@@foxwizards No problem, sorry I was a dick. It just upsets me that this game is disliked over what is essentially people not understanding it, and that sounds arrogant of me but I wouldn't care if it wasn't SO widespread. And the fact that TH-cam videos with tons of views also misunderstand it, and these are the people who are helping people form views about the story, is frustrating and sad for the game. And themes/main theme can be hard to figure out, especially considering that there are plenty of low effort stories out there that can mess with how you interpret things in media. Most importantly for theme, you have to look at what caused the arcs of the main character (or characters, in this case), what the ending means for the possible theme (and if it's a cautionary tale or not), and how the theme is seen by the antagonists (antagonists, especially villains, usually have a different take on the theme, one that goes against the message the story wants to show you, and thus, they often suffer for it. For TLOU2, you could say:
Is it showing me that violence is bad? In a broad sense, yes. But it's too broad, it could be applied to too many stories. Even war stories are trying to show that war is bad, not necessarily just violence. And in the end, it doesn't really seem like Ellie and Abby learn that violence is wrong. And what does Ellie's flashback to her conversation with Joel when she's drowning Abby have to do with violence? Nothing.
Is it showing me that forgiveness is good? Hm, there's an argument there. Abby ends up teaming up with Scars, though she really doesn't seem to have much personal beef with Scars in general. Ellie seems to learn to or want to forgive Joel in the end, and there's that conversation between her a Joel too. But... Ellie forgiving Joel doesn't really work for her sparing Abby. She doesn't forgive Abby, she doesn't really even know that much about her (only the player does.) And the antagonists like the Scars and WLF, what do they have to do with forgiveness? Well, they do refuse to forgive each other for past violence, but forgiveness is the wrong word here, militaries don't really forgive each other, it's more like they refused to... move past it.
Hey, move past it, moving on. Ellie moving on from Joel helps to explain her sparing Abby. She doesn't forgive Abby, but in that moment of holding complete control over Abby's fate, she realizes it doesn't appease her, and it's doing nothing to erase the guilt she feels for not forgiving Joel, which is another example of her inability to move on. Not all of her pain could've been escaped by choosing to move on (Joel would still be dead) but she would've had more time with him when he was alive, Jesse would still be alive, Dina would still be her partner, and her soul would be unburdened with what she ended up doing in Seattle. Her sparing Abby is a massive step into adopting this new idea, as is leaving Joel's guitar in the old farmhouse. For Abby, she also couldn't move past her father's death, and she ended up almost completely destroying her and Owen's relationship, turning her body into a weapon, and ultimately causing the deaths of all her friends. And she adapts the theme much quicker in the story than Ellie, as it starts with her getting her revenge on Joel, and though it's not directly said, she doesn't get the peace she thought that would bring her. Reconnecting with Owen also helps set her back on the path towards learning how to move on from past pain, which is shown by her being the "top Scar killer" but choosing to save some Scar kids, as well as ultimately choosing to completely abandon the WLF in favor of rejoining the Fireflies. Just look at how Abby acts in Santa Barbara, it's nothing like how she acts at any point during her WLF service.
Now I'll add, there's technically not a wrong way to interpret a story, and there are almost always many themes at play in any given (good) narrative. But harming your own enjoyment over what is sort of a misinterpretation of the main theme(s) is a bad thing because it's keeping you from something you might enjoy if you came closer to the intent.
I totally agree with your take on the morgue in the tent scene that you walk through as Abby as when I first walked through, I was like “oh shit these are all the WLFs that I have killed as Ellie just because they were in my way” and would it have made it more impactful with the whole revenge is bad story they had been building.
the one hour mark is the new 10 minute mark and i for one couldn't be happier
I dont even care about the time im just glad its not another NEIL CUCKMAN video
also hi d'angelo
Wow good to see you here dangelo
so happy that you commented from your second channel
Dangelo and jakey my 2 favorite commentators in one place
Raymando this is his first channel for me
I literally played the entire final mission of Dishonored without killing anyone because Samuel told me he didn't like the killer I had become and alerted the guards. Then, when I played Dishonored 2, I did a whole no kill run for as long as I could, because of the impact my choices made from the first game. Brilliant game mechanic to have the story change based on your bloodlust!
I actually hate that concept. I straight-up never played Dishonored again after they ran at me with that bullshit.
I don't mind being a pacifist, I mind that the game gives me so many fun ways to kill people, and then says "but nah that fucks up the story, play the more boring version of the game." Like Undertale does it excellently, where the pacifist run has mechanics that are actually enjoyable and interesting. Same reason I hate that killing people in Phantom Pain makes you a demon. Like, why the fuck would you hand me a rocket launcher and a tank, and then say "Yeah but nah, you shouldn't
use that, use this silencer pistol instead of A FUCKING ROCKET LAUNCHER"????????
Someone Illegal actually if you’re talking about the scoring system in the phantom pain you can kill people and still get an S. Just do missions super quickly and you can get S rank basically no matter what (within reason). But I understand what you mean and I had the same experience.
@@wakkjobbwizard No there's actually a feature where if you kill too many people you become a "Demon Snake", where your horn grows and the blood stays on you until you do enough nice stuff to offset it. It's called a karma system or something.
Building a nuke gets it too. And that's even fucking dumber cause there's a trophy that wants you to build a nuke.
One of the greatest sentiments of accomplishments I got in videogames was when I solved the Jindosh lock in Dishonored 2 all by myself, without knocking out or killing anyone of the people I would had to to get the combination provided by the game.
Someone Illegal I think Dishonored 2 is a little better because of this cause all of your weapons and tools do have a purpose in nonlethal due to the addition of the bloodfly nests. Though it does lose a-lot of the charm the first game had in other areas.
As a somebody who also suffers from Goopy Goblin Gamer Brain, my heart goes out to you and I’m glad to see some representation in media
"I know it goes against my cardinal rule, but I could eat the glass in this game" that had me laughing like nothing else.
Can we all just talk about how much we love and miss Jakey? I noticed other people are also posting messages to him on here since this is his most recent video. Idk if he will ever come back. I just hope wherever he is, he’s ok. But I will say this, Naughtydog has been real quiet since he released this video. Maybe he knew too much……
Its crazy that his subs are increasing even tho he's mia
@@dcta51 yea this dude and gradeAunderA are the same XD
once a month I have to check in just to make sure yt isn't playing me XD
He posted an update on his patreon a little while back, he’s alive and well, he’s just taking a break from social media. He has a couple projects that he’s working on as well for when he comes back, but right now it’s mainly just R&R
@@empash nearly 6 months ago
@@Winford.Studios Eddy Burback said on the Gus & Eddy podcast a few weeks back that Jakey’s still working on content so in other words he’s still doing fine he’s just MIA for the time being
The struggling to talk laughing thing he does that happens multiple times in the video had me in tears especially the did you recognize this blown up person 😂
everyone seems to always forget the TLOU1 was written by 2 people, not just Neil. but guess who wrote part 2... just Neil. He's a great writer, just not for video games. Then there's someone like Kojima, who can hardly write a grocery list, let alone a compelling and logical narrative, but you put his whacky coo-coo for coco puffs ideas in a game and i'll eat that shit up like an advent calendar on December 1st after my parents went to sleep. because its engaging in all the right ways, as well as having the narrative and gameplay mechanics intertwined in unique and interesting ways
Didn't he co-write the game with a writer from Westworld?
@@ethai1 it was Bruce Straley, who goes uncredited, but played a big role in the story. Druckmann and straley created the story together with straley scrapping druckmann’s original idea for the Tess revenge plot as it was just unrealistic to have someone driven across post-apocalyptic America solely motivated by anger. Which Neil seemed to really like...
A quote from Neil during a Q&A after TLOU1 "I think a lot about design and Bruce thinks a lot about story. We wrestle with ideas and make sure story is working with gameplay."
Another quote from Neil talking about Bruce's input on the writing: th-cam.com/video/HuiCj4zATsw/w-d-xo.html
He is credited as directing along with Neil however.
I don't think Bruce ever wrote on Westworld but maybe?
@@dannooooooo Oh I was referring to part 2. I think on part 2 Neil co wrote the game with another writer who worked on Westworld
I don't mind. His weird noggin thinks up of some of the most fun gameplay I've experienced.
We've got enough triple A titles with good stories.
kojima is a good director, he has his bad side but generally he know his stuff and has years of Experience. Neil on the other side has mostly wrote good things with other people and alone has made so much bad decision
"In the last of us 1 I became Joel. In the last of us left behind I became Ellie. In the last of us 2 I became disappointed" *mic drop*
Goddamn Jakey when did you become so savage.
always has been
LOU2: "stop killing"
"Okay, I'll stop"
LOU2: "Game Over"
Brave writing.
Your reward is replaying the game with no story, only kill
We don't want you to kill, but if you dont kill, you will be killed, so keep killing to learn how to not kill. Basically the whole story.
@@DaGalaxyBoy Not reeeaaalllyy the story tho' is it.
@@Hoopla10 oh, Im sorry sir, let me add another sentence. Revenge is bad, and so is killing, dont kill, but lets make you kill and put the blame on you even tho we forced you to do it. There, happy now?
Wrong, the game never says "stop killing" it only says "kill, but think beyond that"
my god your videos are incredible i didn't even notice 50 minutes passing by. keep on that, i love it. congrats bro.
After having a whole bunch o' fun splitting throats of every soldier or scientist that was unfortunate enough to be inside 50 mile radius of me. Walking that river of sorrow and seeing all the horror I had caused changed my gaming style *FOREVER*. If a game has the possibility for a non-lethal take down, sneaking past enemies, or gives me any type of pacifist choice, I will usually take it. That's how big the impact of MGS3 was for me. I learned to "be good" whenever possible, even if it does not have any impact to the story of the games. I started pacifist playing just for the sake of it being the right moral choice. I honestly think my 13-year old brain was low-key traumatized when MGS3 showed the consequences of my bloodlust.
>do a flip
>fail and break arm
>crawl to phone in agony as Jake begins to spout spoilers unable to stop him
underrated
That was his masterplan
@Shaman Xeed XD
@Shaman Xeed disagree
Damn I hate when that happens
6 months ago, Neil Druckmann actually sent assassins to kill Jakey and hid him in a Menards' storage room. Rest In Peace.
Edit: Well guess I was wrong, turns out he was in a relationship with himself (Pine Barrens)
My anxiety is off the chart right now folks!!!
Can confirm, we’ve got the body covered in 11% rebate receipts.
Maybe he hurt himself playing cyberpunk 2077
Save NakeyJakey at Menard's!
seems legit
I love exploring in this game. Find new equipment, cards, letters was very meditative for me.
Point about body bag in the morgue is very good by the way. Never thought about it, it would be really great extension for immersion and atmosphere.
Naughty Dog will now force you to use triangle to kill yoga balls in their next game.
@Shaman Xeed
It's incredible how this is the first thing I see you actually write with a no troll purpose and I agree with it.
Wassup bro I’m a fan of your soccer videos
I read that as "yoda balls" and I was getting flashbacks of Yoda CBT on top of wondering what the hell you were on about, good shit
@Shaman Xeed Truth. Yeah, and fucking 5v5 games. Perfect breeding ground for shitty behaviour. It was better when we had community servers in old games. People would shit talk OTHER SERVERS, not each other. Zoomers who only know how to sit in a matchmaking queue will never understand what it was like to be in your favourite server within 25 seconds of launching the game. No stupid menus full of advertisements. No nonsense about what streamer is showing their butthole today.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE THIS IS AWESOMEEEEE
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The most stunning part of this video is that apparently Menard's isn't a national chain. This whole time I thought it was everywhere
The Midwest is the last vestige of humanity
Is it in SD? I live in Texas but I'm moving up there and I'd never heard of it until now.
@@matthewcooper4248 Yes, it is in South Dakota. I don't live there, but I've been to Menards in South Dakota, but the catch is that they're these weird futuristic Menards that sell Futuristic Home Maintenance/Improvement products. Like what the fuck is a Smart Pipe? Why do the doors just phase in and out of reality? 4 Dimensional 2x4s?
You can't turn on a radio in SD without hearing an add for mendard's.
Right? I thought it was like Home Depot or Lowes. Man. What an eye opener. It makes me wonder what else is not as regional.
This video just made me audibly laugh several times. That rarely happens. Great job, man!
I think there’s a really good game in Last of Us 2. I feel like Naughty Dog really should’ve marketed Part 2 as Abby’s story without even mentioning that Joel and Ellie are in this game. Market it as a separate story in the same world and we slowly start to realize where this is going. I dunno, I think the story is alright, but the executions isn’t there.
Have you ever heard of A Second Chance at Sarah?
Because you, nor literally anyone else, has, that's why this couldn't be marketed as an Abby story. Because Neil Druckmann knows nobody would buy a Neil Druckmann story, they'd buy a Naughty Dog story.
We're actually seeing an example of that with Zach Snyder repurposing a rejected Star Wars story without the Star Wars license, and it's not doing too hot.
@@crazyinsane500wait what is JJ doing? I thought he went dark after TROS
@@Wahba. Ah, turns out it was Zach Snyder who made Rebel Moon. I mixed my jangling keys-styled directors.
@@crazyinsane500 yea ZS think because he made a couple of decent movies that he's a great director when in reality it was the people around him who made it good and he's finding out the hard way. Very similar to Druckmann
Jakey out here looking like he jumped straight outta Vice City
You know he was looking through comments waiting for someone to point this out.
I for one, love the new SkinnyVinny
The gator under the bed gag is hilarious and I don’t know why
Really hit close to home I think
Depression sucks. I am glad you found something to look forward to. Please don't stop making these videos. You are talented.
I honestly think they should've left TLoU 1 alone. It was an open ended narrative masterpiece. Making part 2 scrapped that open ended part, and gave us a really bitter ending instead.
I can now not replay part 1 without knowing that in the end it doesn't work out. Making 2 took the "hope" away from part 1's ending.
Part 2 should've picked up with other people, in another slice of that universe. It wanted the gut-wrenching raw emotion of killing off Joel, but in doing so it slit the throat of part 1.
It's like a kid making an amazing sandcastle and then at the end gozilla stomp through it for the lols, unable to control their own destructive urges.
Well the behind-the-scenes details are that the people that worked on the first game echoed your sentiments: There shouldn't be a direct sequel, just another story in the same setting.
But then they were forced out of the company by Neil Druckmann, who then unloaded his various neurosis into the sequel and actively used it to try and destroy the original game's elements out of petty jealousy that the original team didn't like and rejected his ideas that made their way into the sequel.
@@crazyinsane500Neil is maybe the most prominent narcissist in modern game development.
@@crazyinsane500 Never forget that Druckmann called tlou fans "f*gs" during the game awards this year. That man is running the show at ND.
Well, in defense of Far Cry 3, the plot itself acknowledges, that Jason is losing himself in the violence, to the point of abandoning a chance at escaping just to murder Vaas.
Actually he does the "completey abandon friends so i can stay on this cool island with the cool hot chick" after he kills vass
@@gamergaymer965 Actually, afrer he realizes that to stay on the island with that hot chick he has to kill his friends he stops himself (well player can choose to not kill them)
@@Natycik true
Far cry 3 has my fav game story
Even this is shallow.
All I got from this 50min video essay:
*SAVE BIG MONEY AT MENARDS*
Odd Taggynn we the Midwest gang let’s go lol
Reading these comments; you've really upset the "masterpiece crowd", my goodness.
As someone who enjoyed most of TLOU2 and didn’t end the game feeling cynical…I fully agree with all the critiques here. Shoutout rope mechanics.
The existence of NakeyJakey implies the existence of SolideyJakey and SoliduseyJakey
Venom Jacob
@@Toastyk2 Venom Jacob was when he didn't cut his hair till he released his music.
BROTHERS
Liquidy Jakey.
PunishedJakey
In grade school my friend Johnny would say, “Save no money at MeNERRRDS!” Johnny was a genius and our local Menards almost closed they were roasted so hard.
fucking gotem.
He didn’t have to do them like that
Can confirm. I was Johnny
What a mad lad
We have a mattress shop with a jingle "sleep country canada, why buy a mattress anywhere else" and ol Johnny, genius of elementary school, mockingly sang "why buy a mattress when you can sleep on the couch"
sleep country just couldn't recover from such a hot take. They closed a few years back.
Saw a video recently of the ending fight and most comments were praising the game for how powerful it was. It really made me realise that for a lot of people it's enough to see good graphics and well done environments in order to ignore the flaws the game has. Luckily for Naughty Dog, those 2 things are their specialty, Jakey put it very well, I wonder what the general consensus would be if the game didn't look this good.
No need to wonder, the *exact* same story is in another game: Ride to Hell Retribution.
@@crazyinsane500 Been a while since I've heard that name, that game sure was something eh?
@@danieldimov8625 I still can't believe they wanted to turn that into a genre-spanning franchise.
Should've made it canonical with their previous game, Big Mutha Truckers.
I bet Jakey's Kermit the Frog impression is fire.
I love how you continuously add metaphors that people have to watch the whole 50 minutes to understand. But everyone else passing by will just hear random words talking about albums, gators and water slides
"De gator unda da bed..."
and menards
Its officially been a year. I just hope he's been doing alright. TH-cam shouldn't be his priority but I still miss him all the same.
Yes I agree
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@@spiderman8429 thanks spiderman
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