This loop is 6 years old... let's see the carnage!
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Jay: "If maintained properly water cooling is awesome!" Also Jay: "well we haven't changed the fluid in years. Let's see what it looks like."
perfectly demonstrates why not to do it edit: wasn't even that bad
These two don't contradict each other...?
Even that isn't exactly a problem with contemporary large reservoirs. The original sin was using gunky fluid with included particular matter for show.
@@karaloop9544 Yeah, never use coloured liquids unless you're absolutely willing and able to clean it every few months.
then you get a car, a home, relationships, new hobbies, everything needs maintenance but your stupid liquid cooling is always there, being nothing but a hinderance.
9:17 genuinely made me crack up... and I really needed that today, so thank you Jay :)
That was the time Jay found out that type of coolant at 6 years old turns into Chloroform LOL
Best part of the video
Lol
Yeah, I was watching it at 2x speed and died laughing. 😂 I watched it again at normal speed.
Did he faint on camera or what exactly happened????
9:12 That needs to be made into a short!
You're looking so good these days Jay. I just rewatched a few of your old videos and you've improved your health by a lot. Good work, mate. You're a legend.
He's still obese...
He looks the same weight to me
Needs to stop yo-yoing
You said it would be boring. This teardown video was extremely entertaining and educational. I enjoyed it so much! Love to see you clean the radiators etc. Strip, flush. clean. Tks
Literally crying laughing after you smelled that bottle!!! Made my day!! Love it bro!!!
Me too!
Holy shit I was not expecting that
I build my first soft tube loop recently and I'm so thankful I chose clear fluid lol. I'm too lazy to have to tear everything down to clean it real good.
Why I'm good with air cooling
same soft tube and clear is the way to go
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz literally no reason to not run a step down cpu with air cooled
I did the same thing. When with rgb fittings to let the color of the fluid snyc with the loop temperature. termaltake said were programmable but corsair commander pro didnt want to play ball.
And I think that is the real lesson here. If you just got to have a liquid cooled system, go with plain ol distilled water (and a bit of biocide). Will save a lot of headaches and preventable work.
I can't believe you built this 6 years ago!! It feels like last year! I still show this system to friends just because it's awesome! 6 years wow!
He didn't, Threadripper was released less than 5 years ago, TH-camrs just like to exaggerate everything.
Yeah the videos are only 4 years old … god dammit
9:15 This is why you’re my favorite Jay!!🤣😂🤣Well, besides you know what you’re doing and are very knowledgeable and experienced, you crack me up.
I really like how in depth the breakdown became. I really enjoyed this video. This build was one of the first water cooled computers I've seen on TH-cam and it made me dive deeper in the rabbit hole. This really feels like an older jay vid because of this PC
50 bucks says the reason that system is so slow is cause of the mech drive in there slowing it down an ssd would fix that issue nvme for the win
I was always that air cooler guy who told everyone to get a coolermaster Evo 212. Then a friend bought me my current h100i platinum from corsair, the things way better. Especially on my i9 9900kf. Since then I've always wanted to try a custom loop, but to be honest I don't know if it's nessicary let alone practical for how high the prices are here in Canada. So I appreciate that I get to experience it vicariously through this channel. The good and the bad 😊
i love watercooling. The temps, the almost silent operation, the look of it... Then I used Primochill vue in a brand new loop with a monoblock and 2 gpu blocks. I used Primochill soft tubing which, according to their site at the time was supposed to be fine... Used their sysprep for a new system as directed. When I used it for 2 months, i drained the loop for whatever reason (this was back in 2018) and found TONS of microfractures in both gpu blocks. The tubing was also being damaged it seemed. Ended up having to replace the tops for both gpu block, put in fresh tubing and do a complete teardown and cleanout, along with changing to a different EK coolant which ended up being 100% fine for the longest time. Needless to say, I didnt have any luck with anything "new and innovative" that year.
You can alway replate the metal part to salvage the waterblocks! It is a little tedious to do, but it would bring those parts back to their original state. Even the small fittings
9:12 That was highly unexpected, good job Jay LOL
That fall was great! For anyone wondering, the screwdriver looks identical to the one I ordered myself last year as a grad present, the title on ebay was "Xiaomi Mini Wowstick 1F+ Pro 64 In 1 Electric Screwdriver USB F4E9 J9C7", I've had nothing but great experiences with it :)
I'd be sad to see the symbiote theme go. This was one of my favourite builds on the channel, and I'd prefer to see it updated rather than replaced.
"smells fine" *thonk* highlight of my Day 🤣
i remember seeing this build and being so jealous and in awe, thinking i would never have near that kind of pc. now, the pc i just built myself probably wrecks that one. wonder where we'll be in another 5-10 years.
Interesting video, now I’m curious what some of the most popular AIOs look like internally after years of use.
@jayztwocents video idea!
They dont use primochill so Most likely better
@@animalm4st3r ASETEK AIOs after a few years the biocide can break down and eventually bacteria can begin to grow in the loop after a some time.
Have you ever smelled belly button?
Imagine about a liter of belly button juice. that's basically what happens to basic AIOs. Don't ever open up a old AIO. I repeat *NEVER* under any circumstances open up a old AIO 😂 it's just not worth it.
Depends entirely on the quality of the fluid and corrosion inhibitors etc that they use. If its good fluid and inhibitors, and the metals all match it should be perfectly fine for years.
I've been using my Fractal S36 for something like 4 years now, and I havent had any temp creep at all so it has to not be building up any debris basically at all
If you get a decent AIO that uses better fluids, you should be more worried about how long the pump will hold up, or if you will spring a leak. to be known I'm a bit of a worrywort, so I just stick to good air cooling, and just blow my PC out on a 4 month cycle, and wipe my front, and side filtered fan grills once a month with a soft paint brush.
i think this case would be very cool in an iron man theme, I think the shape kinda looks like when different parts of the suit are opening and closing
Honestly, Automotive coolant has been one of the most reliable things I used in my PC. You should try that Stuff Jay. If you use that stuff, you can forget about it for years. Screw the fancy colours of boutique cooling crap.
Been using automotive coolant too, tore down my loop last year that hadn't been touched for about 5-6 years and everything was still like new (10yr old components).
G11 (blue) premix here, combined with EPDM rubber tubing (also car stuff essentially). Haven't had a single problem with it in who knows how many years, and no residue or buildup in any of the transparent blocks/pump housing
Don't let it leak around any pets or kids. Poison.
@@tedburg6042 I did it with automotive clamps and tubes. My other hobby is messing around with cars, so why not carry some useful skills over. Although it looks a bit... crude.
*Jay!!!* The alternative to cutting out the front panel, you can rebuild and print out the modified version in a 3D printer.
When you mentioned not having the mill to cut the custom, it reminded me of a future project I have of making a custom case.
Additive construction, rather than subtractive.
Cougar cases are slept on. I’ve owned two, right now I’m using the Cougar mx-410 and I love it. They also much a bunch of outlandish, weird cases too which is neat to see.
Always just use plain distilled water and some Biocide... that's it. Use the tubing or glass colors for your colors. Anything else will gunk up things eventually.
6:15 I can feel the pain. After 6 years that face says everything.
Jay, maybe Nick, Phil, and you can come up with a few designs for the top and front panel and then 3D-print it. You can perform tests to determine which works and looks best before you do any permanent modification to your actual panels.
With all the recent success that this channel has achieved, I could see JayzTwoCents opening a position for full-time custom loop maintenance personnel.
7 years running a similar system 24/7 with the same 4 way EK 980 Ti's - the blocks are as clean as new. Big difference is I use high quality plain distilled water with EK clear additive in a 9:1 ratio. No gunk build up, no flow issues and most importantly I can clean and reuse EVERYTHING when the time comes. That dyed piss simply isn't worth the money or the effort and will only give you headaches - those fluids really are just for the show off trade show booth jobs and maybe LAN show builds that get teared down after 5 days anyhow.
BTW: I'm in Los Angeles. I don't have the tools you need but I am extending an invitation as one of your long-time subscribers to visit and check out my system in person. It's housed in a one-of-one custom powder coated $1000 Case Labs case that was hand assembled too 😎😎😎
i love what you have done physically. you look very fit. i'm a part time pf trainer and your muscle mass i love it. i hope to see more. you have really taught me a lot about pc building and usage so thank you keep on keeping on!
Can you do a soft tube build. I'm not up for doing the hard tubing thing yet, but I am planning on re doing my current loop. Looking for some ideas and inspiration.
People have been doing soft tubing loops for decades, surely you can find some existing inspiration.
@@343_GuiltySpark yea but I wanna see Jay do it.
Look at the build he made for Phill in the Enthoo 719. They used soft tubing for that and it is relatively recent.
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM This. Plus if you go back far enough in his videos, Jay has done soft tubing in the past lol. He just prefers rigid tubing now because of aesthetics. Soft tubing is definitely more practical if you're just going for the performance aspect of a custom loop.
It's true that this is why I don't watercool, but watercooling is definitely not dumb. I'm just too lazy/scared to deal with all that extra stuff that can go wrong. But thumbs up for those like Jay who take the time to do it right!
Can't believe it's been 6 years already, I loved the way the tubes came out on this build, hope we can see this concept used again in a future build.
Jay, you should look into a CNC build of a mill. Buy a small Jet square column mill square for the repeatability which is important for CNC. Round column if you want to be able to do taller pieces than you normally can.) These mills are less expensive. Then get some EtherCat servos and make it a CNC mill. There are tons of supporting materials, part selection guides and build guides for CNC mill conversions. I would love to see your take on that process as a car and computer guy. The parts you can make with a 3D printer and a CNC/manual mill and a 1440 or smaller CNC/manual converted old lathe. That is a big series for you. 😂
The one thing that amaze me about Jay and his channel, is able to turn a profit regardless how much bs taxes socal charges everyone. I pulled my business out of there years ago and never looked back.
Love the look of the case Jay,honestly it reminds me of the predators armour.
That is a really great teardown! Especially love seeing you struggle with having to take all the parts out of computer just to get to some single hard drive.
We are also surprised that iFixit hasn't sent you the new screwdriver.
As a car guy, this almost reminds me of some of the horror stories I have seen with DexCool Coolant in GM products.
Yes! DexCool, worse coolant made. I hated the dye they use to color it.
wait what?
I'm on my 2nd GM truck that's had only DexCool and nearing 300k. Only horror stories I've seen with it are when someone tries to switch to typical coolant without a very very thorough flush beforehand 🤷.
10 thumbs up if I could.
Yes sir, do NOT switch from normal green to dex-cool; do NOT use 'mix with any coolant' with dex-cool. Unless you like coolant turning into reddish play-doh - in your radiator, heater core, oil cooler, etc. Most people don't have equipment to fully flush their system.
@@jamesyoung151 Not bad coolant per se, just different and incompatible with everything. Like the Macintosh of antifreeze.
I always wanted to do a custom water loop.... went with an AIO instead... then replaced that after 5 years with an air cooler and I dont regret it at all. SO much less to worry about for my 12700K
Right there with you. Air coolers can be within a few degrees of water and they're far more reliable. I also personally love the look of a giant industrial passive heat sink.
I seriously considered water cooling when I built my system 7 years ago because it looks great, however, my systems are running 24x7, often unattended, and the worry about something failing in the water loop, causing a mess plus a very expensive catastrophic system failure made me go with conventional air cooling. Like you, Spencer, it was a decision without any regrets and it allows me to sleep better at night now that the systems are getting on in age.
Almost spit my beer out at 9:17 well done Jay was perfectly timed and executed. XD
I was searching for that comment
I've been using VW red glycol in a 50 / 50 mix with distilled water for ages now. The fluid in my current build is from 8 or 10 years ago, same age as my Koolance 370 CPU block!
Doesn't stain, clog or grind down nickel.
This is easily the most original build with this case and one of my favorites of all time. I absolutely love the symbiote aesthetics you did here with the tube wire insulators and how you did the tubes. It's just such great creativity.
"This is why I don't watercool", "watercooling is dumb".... Hey Jay, what I think a lot of people don't realize about hobbies like this, is that the process is all just part of the overall experience and fun of it! It drives you crazy, and it's time-consuming, and expensive, and only gives you __% more performance than somebody else's build...but it's YOURS. You obsessed over the stupidest little details to customize it just how you want. You built it out. You maintain it....it's a process and some of us weirdos love things like that
No hobby, no matter how niche, is "dumb" if it brings the hobbyist joy!!!
I had a loop going on 3770k ek evo full copper block and xspc copper block 290 with xspc photon 270 res and 420 alphacool radiator the supposed unrealiable make connected by primochill soft tubing for years never changed the water never had any issues prepped it all out with white vinegar then just added distilled water. Same cpu block/radiator/tuning and res running on my 10900k for a few years now never changed it no problems.
9:17 🤣🤣 Rolling, as MANY PPL would do the smell test too, lol.
Oh Jay, just o hilarious and 1 of many why we watch👍🏻👍🏻
Cheers to you and Phil (& double cheers for Phil cause he’s shooting and trying to keep you framed all the time; can’t be so easy😉).
✌🏻✌🏻
2:57 That case needs wings like some future combat drone or spaceship, 2 wings (1 either side), LCD panel on the front as a windows (gives stats).
Even better motorized wings that open out a bit with transformers sound like in Dune with dragonflys
Of all the builds I've watched you make, this one is hands down my favorite.
my cheap evo tx3 is ten years old with over 65 000 hours on the clock (with overclockand) still whisper quiet with perfect operation. vacuumed twice, once with the fan dismounted.
I don't know Jay before you invest into any cuts on that case I would take a night and sleep on it.
You can always cut away but it's near impossible to add what's cut back.
It’s so weird. I have an original bottle of silver Vue. It’s never been opened and it’s been sitting on my shelf for years. It’s still perfect. I know it’s because it hasn’t had heat or anything added to it but I’m surprised it’s still perfect.
I'm reminded once again about how me and my buddy were both using EK colored fluid and yet his was the only one to have the color separate. He was using EK blue concentrate and I'm using EK red premix. I've been using the same EK red premix for 4 years now without it separating or anything growing in it.
I really like that reservoir especially with it being glass instead of plastic, this has me itching to redo my loop
For anyone asking about the screwdriver it looks and sounds like a wow stick gen 1.
"Ask me how I figured that out" moment is such a meme material xD
You CAN mount/dismount that HDD in the back, using the HDD/SSD mounting brackets the case comes with. I have a 2.5 and a 3.5 HDD on the back in that spot mounted using the brackets. Makes mounting/dismounting easy
So this video prompted me to tear down my Custom loop which has been running for 4 years now 24/7 with XT-1 Nuke. Coolant temp never really rises above 28'c. The only thing i've done is add two drops of copper sulfate about a year ago.
To my amazement, the loop looked pretty good. Only a slight haze on the inside of all the acrylic tubes and a little what appeared to be flux in the micro-fins. I'm confident in saying that the condition of this loop of mine is due primarily to getting everything super clean before filling AND the use of Mayhems Ethylene Glycol based coolant.
You could easily do the cuts you want with a drill and jigsaw with metal blade. Good file to clean up the cuts. I've done some very clean case mods on thinner metal than that cougar case has that turned out perfect that way.
I don't know who is smoking the crack that tells them that water cooling is dumb, but if I could afford to put a loop in my system, I defiantly would. Thanks for all you do Jay, you inspire me to one day do this with my own system.
Traumatic memories. Exploding loops memories. I built a dual loop system a while ago and as things happen, I got very busy with work. It sat undisturbed for a couple years. Should have drained the loop before leaving it on a shelf.
Anyhow, came back to it and the loop had gone completely clotted. Drained and flushed what I could, but the rads and blocks were still flow impaired.
Had the bright idea to fill the loops and run a high concentration of a descaling agent usually used for office water coolers. Easier than disassembly.
I jumped the power supply and let it run. Went to bed. Was awoken at 3AM by two shrieking pumps that had run dry at some point in the wee hours of the morning.
The descaler offgassed hardcore and pressurized the loops. Blew the o-rings out of both blocks in a spectacular fashion. The system then bled out.
On the bright side, the rads and blocks did clean up real nice and because the system wasn't energized I didn't lose any hardware, though the board was always temperamental after that and recently completely flatlined after a fairly long run. The Maximus XI Extreme in that one was always finicky though, so I don't even know if the bath is what did it in.
Clean your loops guys. Regularly.
You never told us how you figured out how you leaned that the motherboard had to come off to get the hard drive off.
I built my first watercooled system (Sempron 145 unlocked and OC’d to an Athlon II in prep for an FX-8350) and I used clear tube with highlighter ink in the water. I had a black light lighting the loop. I changed that after I saw what looked like algae growing in the tubes. I took the block apart and cleaned it. The ink, surprisingly, was breaking down from the heat and coagulating. Went to straight water with black light reactive tubes instead. It didnt look as cool, but never had a clog from that.
"I don't have the tools to do what I want" Welcome to my and probably every modder's world. I swear when I starting building my new rig with the intent to do a Stargate Atlantis theme I had so many ideas. Which came crashing down as I don't have the tools for precision cuts in acrylic sheets. I picked up some Stargate crystal memory cards. With the intent to mount them in an acrylic sheet and light them with LED's from the bottom. I tried hand dremeling it....the less we talk about the results of that the better.
This video makes me feel older. Can't believe it's been 6 years since he built it.
Jay, next time you have an old gunky loop similar to this one can you do a test and run the PrimoChill System Reboot cleaner for two or three days prior to tearing it down? I would love to see how well the cleaner breaks down the Vue gunk.
You dont need a mill to cut metal, you just need a driller or dremel, all the tools for the little thing, a ruler where u can write with a pen, and thats it! i have done it in older builds, and of course something to hold the preview fans holes.
9:17 was the funniest shit I have ever seen jay that made me laugh my ass off appreciate your humour so much
Also not supposed to let Vue run for more than 8 hours at a time during a 24 hours period or something to that effect. Basically, don't let it run 24/7. I'm at about 1 month on Vue following the directions minus running the fluid slow (Eheim pump can't go slow enough) and so far so good. Like I said in the last video, going to change out the pump and put new Vue in the system September. Vue has it's risks, but it's not a one year plus fluid, it's a six month fluid, if not more like three if you want to play it safe.
RE: wanting to mill out the front case panel, if you can't find someone to mill it for you, you could 3D print some templates of cool designs and use the Dremel tool to cut them out. Or if you have a Cricut or similar machine, you could do designs on that and print them out as sticker templates.
Great video as usual. AM5 build will be very vool. But in meantime, clean it out and put clear distilled water in it so it is at least usable? Just a thought.
I'm thinking of doing a custom loop in my next build. Clear read liquid is what I'll go for in that case.
The top panel looks like a mid to late 90s sport bike seat and tank profile, similar to the VFR. Would be cool to see a motorsports themed build/case mod series
Fun fact, EKWB Do still make single slot brackets with their blocks. The 3080, 3090 FE Special Edition Blocks come with single slot pcie brackets.
Jay you can pick up a 3018 Pro CnC Milling Machine (with optional laser cutter) for around $300, 30cm x 18cm x ~4cm tooling space, fits on a worktop easily, would be ideal for you, there are also videos on YT showing how to upgrade the 3018 cheaply to make it more versatile.
Happy Father's Day Jay - thanks for the video today.
Water cooling can be done fine when you use the correct fluid.
Many people know that Propylene Glycol and Distilled Water mix is the best ever coolant.
It can literally loop around for +5 years with 0 corrosion or build up.
"Fight me."
Couldn't have asked for a better ending.
I only ever use soft tubing coz i tend to take it apart every few months to mess around new parts or shift the placement of components.
Can't imagine having to retube with hardies every time.
so glad i've stuck to distilled + ek clear concentrate and then just let the rgb lighting add the flair. Although my current loop has some odd brown growth and the distro has white streaks, so I'll still be cleaning it out fully when I swap for the new ek rads. Luckily I spotted no growth in the cpu or gpu blocks but I'll still prob do a cleaning with them.
You slamming the table broke me🤣🤣
I've always preferred good air cooling. Liquid has great cool factor. but I'm too lazy to bother with extra maintenance or more things that can go wrong.
Same. One of those things I dig watching other people do.
@@nadtz I used to do alot for custom water-cooling for datacenter and for gaming customers. it's also one of those things where I just don't want to deal with it in my own system after doing it all day for other people lol.
Just get an AIO then. You don't have to maintain anything other than cleaning the dust off the fan and the rad. It's like an air cooler, but quieter and with way better temps depending on which one you get (of both types, that is). Just don't get a 120mm AIO, they're pointless nowadays with the hot AF modern CPUs, especially 12th Gen Intel.
@@kasper_429 It's still more things that can break than just having an air cooler
If you want to do that sort of work in your shop, the cheapest option is probably CNC plasma cutting. The langmuir systems machines are actually very affordable (I have the crossfire pro with THC and a PrimeWeld CUT60). Just be aware of the limitations of plasma and the fumes it puts off. Otherwise your probably looking for a mini CNC mill / fiber laser which is generally much more expensive
With inflation you should change your name to JayzSevenCents
"this is why I don't water cool" "water cooling is dumb"
LoL Love your work man keep it up
Famous last words caught in TH-cam
9:12 Jayz: What does it smell like? Smells fine
You don't need a mill ro super special tools. Make a carboard template, Use a drill press (or just a drill, I like a DP for stuff like this if I can) make holes that ar the proper radius for the cut outs you want to make. Use an angle grinder to connect the holes you drill making sure to cut well within the lines. Connecting the center line of the holes is a goos safe bet usually. Then use a die grinder to get closer or up to the line. File the edges, clean, primer, paint, done.
I didn't do any maintenance at all for 3.5 years with mayhems pastel, and when I went to drain and refill it, it was fine.
A little bit of gunk by the more severe corners, but 12 hrs of vinegar and everything was like new.
Happy Father's Day!!
This is kind of why I'm scared to use water cooling, this and eventual leaks.
The worn down GPU/CPU blocks kinda look sick tho. They give an industrial vibes
I have gone years without cleaning my loop. My Eheim pump has been running continuously for 12 years, still functions flawlessly, silently and has NEVER leaked a drop.
My wife said when I get excited I move quickly, so Jay I can relate to you.
My loop is 14 years old. Never been drained, just topped up as needed. Using only distilled water, no additives. Silver fittings.
Just change the CPU block as I upgrade. Water is crystal clear, no gunk at all. CPU block has a clear top (EK Velocity).
you enjoy the tinkering and the constant maintenance stuff so for you that makes perfect sense.
love the Ernest P. Worrell bit there in the middle lol
Pretty sure that paste-like thing IS thermal paste. After all, you said you used a lot on the block and it can squeeze up and around the block.
My favorite TH-cam content right here. Jay playing with water cooled systems.
"I have so many ideas in my head, things that I can do. But I dont have the tooling to do it" story of my life.
Heatiller still makes single slot brackets for cards that are coincidentally compatible with EK blocks. I use them all the time.
maybe the abrasiveness helped to prevent clogging. like if the fluid can wear down the metal of the block it will probably wear down any blockage too
awesome to see an old loop deconstructed.
Water cooling looks good, and is probably recomended for warmer climates, but air cooling is just so much more practical. A very informative/educational video nonetheless, thank you!