With so many similarities I’d have to go with the palisade for sheer looks. I like it’s beefier looking front end and love the elegant interior. I’m curious which one would be higher rated for its towing ability?
the palisade is more beautiful inside and out, but I went with the hybrid highlander solely for gas mileage (35mpg). I figure it'll save me 15 years of crying at the gas station every week :P
My concerns are a 4cylinder turbo engine will wear internally faster than a naturally aspirated V-6. Something to consider when purchasing. I realize Toyota makes great engines for the most part, but the Hyundai/KIA companies are gaining in the reliability aspect in the last 8 years. They continue to strive to be the best, and I feel they will, as I worked in the auto industry for 35 years. I remember when I would never consider a hyundai automobile, but I own a used Santa Fe Sport, and it has been reliable, and fun to drive. I bought it used, and has never let me down starting my third year of ownership.
I owned a 2014 Santa Fe sport 2.0T AWD. Had it for about 9 years. Never had a major problem with it. The only reason I don’t have it now is because I traded it in for a 2023 Santa Fe calligraphy AWD!!!
KPP, mine is 2014 Santa Fe Sport Ultimate, with all the bells and whistles, that I bought used. I didn’t realize how decked out it was , but it has the 2.4 4 cylinder, and AWD, but with no engine problems. It may have been fixed before I bought it. Fun to drive, and happy owner.
Yes, the Highlander will have serious problems with that turbo considering the Highlander is loaded with people and cargo. The torque is designed for lower rpms so it feels quick on a test drive, but can’t sustain if you are road trips. Toyota is trying to trick people. They already have huge issues with the Tundra’s turbo engine with the waste gases.
Lol toyota has made the JZ engines, overbuilt af and durable turbo engines. In sure this turbo 4 won't outlast the v6, but nonetheless still will last a lot longer than the competition, as always
My family needed a larger vehicle because the prius was now just to small. The Palisade was very impressive. definetly much bigger, seemed like a more premium "feel". But the fit and finish was much better for the Highlander. We could not wait for car prices to go down we had to purchase before interest rates rose even higher as well. We went to the Hyundai dealership and to our shock every dealership had a $15k "market adjustment" markup. Toyota did not and hey even took $500 OFF msrp. Real life pricing in SoCal for the Palisade was closer to $73,000. We purchased a PLATINUM Highlander fully loaded for $53,602 OTD. Because of that markup I feel is taking advantage of consumers. Me personally shame on Hyundai for gouging working class people. Toyota has earned my business and people can not debate the Toyota reliability.
It doesn't really seem fair to compare the highest trim level Palisade to the second highest trim Highlander. I know that they mentioned some of the options offered on the Highlander Platinum, but that really doesn't do it justice. Plus, that grimy green color isn't doing the Highlander any favors. Although there are a few more creature comforts in the Palisade and the Palisade does seem like a better choice from this video, I wouldn't trade the reliability and resale value of the Highlander for a heated and power folding third row seat that I am barley ever going to use. As far as I am concerned, it is just something else that I have to worry about breaking. Finally, you just can't beat the fuel economy of the Highlander Hybrid. 36 combined MPG vs the Palisade's 22. In sum, although the Hyundai Palisade offers a very appealing option, which has come a long way in recent years, I would still purchase the 2023 Highlander Platinum Hybrid in Wind Chill Pearl White.
Simple, enjoy the Palisade for 4-5 years and get rid of it before it becomes a cash for clunkers write-off. Highlanders last for over 20 years, literally number one in reliability and owner satisfaction across the board in Consumer Reports for decades now. Owning a car that long isn’t for everyone though so get the Palisade.
All Hyundai/Kia has to do is continue working on their reliability to dethrone Toyota. The brand has the value Toyota has (or should I say had in comparison).
Well. The palisade is fairly new and Time will tell us about its reliability. Both Hyundai and Kia can't make the time go faster to prove their reliability.
Ones this segment switches over to EV's, Toyota's reliability advantage will be almost non existent. With no engine or transmission, EVs I think will shake up the current market leaders.
@@silverfox1234 Current BEVs have horrid reliability, while Toyota hybrids are the most reliable. Hybrids are more complex. The gap between Toyota and other manufacturers will widen when they make BEVs.
My daughter has a 2009 budget Elantra that she has abused for nearly 14 years. Still runs fine. The neighbor has a 17-year-old KIA that looks new. I was a big Toyota fan and it was tough to make the switch, but I took a chance on the Palisade. Great so far. Is Hyundai/Kia the new Toyota? Only time will tell: I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
I was intending to buy a Highlander for my wife but then we test drove the Palisade Calligraphy and were blown away. Needless to say, we went with the Palisade.
Same for us. We had a color combo picked out for the Highlander, and did not like it in person. Back to the drawing board, we “forced” ourselves to look at a Palisade. Really, there isn’t much of a comparison IMO. Just took delivery of a ‘23 black/beige Calligraphy.
Ended up buying the top trim Palisade V6 and I don't regret it... It is not a GLE, nor a GV80 as the price reflects it, but it is closing the gap tech and comfort wise....!!
It is really telling of the value once you truly compare them. Hyundai simply delivered a knock-out. Power-folding mirrors, wireless AA/AC, and fuel economy improvements seem to be all that it is mainly lacking. Toyota would need the Platinum to truly compete with this Calligraphy for a more fair test, but I don't think the scoring would change. Yes, I know the world is greatly downsizing in engines, but the 3.5 was the secret sauce of the Highlander. The 2.4 is pretty buzzy and interferes with the hallmark refinement of the Highlander.
@naveenthemachine The Palisade has many problems that has not shown up yet because it is still to brand new. but I am a gear head and it has some design flaws that just doesn't make any sense to me. 1. it has a PLASTIC intake manifold. it should be aluminum. plastic in the engine bay will become brittle and crack. 2. the 8 speed trans is made by Hyandai Transys. the same company that they had trouble with their past cars. 3. they utilize a high compression ration motor that means that these engine runs hotter. 4. they do not use hydralic lifters. adjustable lifters are 1990 technologies. 5. a MAJOR PROBLEM is they utilize GDI that is bad. look up VW recommends the motor be teared down every 30k miles so that they use walnut shells to clean the carbon build that will affect gas mileage, reliability, emissions. 5. lastly to change the spark plugs the intake manifold has to be completely removed Hyandai ingenuity $300 labor cost to change a $5 spark plug.... LET'S LOOK AT TOYOTA . metal intake manifold. CHECK. Hydraulic lifters. the latest technology for internal combustion engine. CHECK. has GDI as well for fuel economy but also utilizes multi port injection to clean the valves. so no problems of GDI. CHECK. spark plug change so simple any DIYer can learn from youtube. CHECK. and for the people that say well it's a turbo motor now and it will not last. they need to be reminded that TOYOTA is not new to the turbo game. I just need to say 3SGTE and 2JZ. last I checked these TOYOTA TURBO MOTORS are legendary even sought after today. CHECK and CHECK..... but hey the Proven Hyandai has proven itself the last 30 years with classic cars like the Excel, Accent, Elantra that blew cars like the Corolla AE86, the MR2 3SGTE, the Supra 2JZ and lets not forget Hyandai also beats the LEXUS LS the only Japanese Luxury car that successfully challenged the German Luxury cars. and please don't tell me Genesis because I have an even longer list for that junk.
i just re-read my post and I humbly appologize that it sounds like i'm being a major jerk. but there are a lot of people that just buy it because it's new and has fancy flashie gadgets. times are tough and we need to stretch our dollar cars from Hyandai are nice but they more importantly need last. repairs need to be affordable. it's just frustrating because these reviewers do not tell the whole story and non-car people will be stuck and regret spending hard earned money on someone's misguided information.... Again I humbly apologize if it came accross disrespectful...
@@reginaldtubao6472 repair costs for both cars should be about the same, since both has similar level of technologies. Also, Korean cars are known for easy maintenance (DIY) unlike german or american cars. Not sure how it compares to Japanese cars, but it should be on the same level. In terms of reliability, Hyundai should be more reliable, since it has longer warranty length. Not by slightly, but twice more.
I think the guys that did this video were born in 2015. I don’t think they understand the extreme reliability of Toyota. The Hyundai looks good but and has 😢 to offer a longer warranty, as their engine is old school…I’ll stand with Toyota reliability and resale / trade in value any day. Hyundai just doesn’t have the longevity with reliability and resale. I just purchased a 2023 Highlander platinum four-cylinder turbo, and I am extremely amazed at the power. This vehicle is more luxurious than my Lexus & more ex options than the Pallisade
Palisade is the clear winner... except it's not a Toyota. And that's the deal breaker. Take both these vehicles out on identical usage to 75 k miles, and which one will have the higher resale value? That's it.
Your grading system is too bias, the palisade should be given 1 point each on most amenities they offer , it is not even close . The palisade is far ahead in all ramifications.
Toyota all the way.. Guaranteed Reliability!! Hyundai uses old school engines..the Toyota 4cyl turbo is fast with no turbo lag.. staying with known reliability!!!
The Palisade (and Telluride) are the clear winners in the 3 row non-luxury SUV space. However, they don’t have the Toyota badge. Toyota knows that they don’t have to do much for customers to still buy them. The Highlander is far from being the best in the segment, yet it (and the Explorer) still outsells the Korean twins combined. Toyota customers won’t cross shop them with almost anything and if they do, it’s likely Honda, not Kia/Hyundai. With a Toyota, you’re guaranteed reliability and resale value, which are arguably the most important aspects of buying a car. It’s a reason Toyota/Lexus is the richest and largest car manufacturer in the world.
Did u check the price of the similarity used Kia’s and Hyundai in recent years? Use Toyotas and used Hyundai of same years now have almost the same price so Toyota having high resale values over the other brands is becoming history or outdated belief
Toyota reliability isn't all of that and their resale and value is 3%-2%above Hyundai and KIA. Sorry, Hyundai and KIA has come a long way to prove themselves worthy of being buyable.
Things that that the Hyundai palisade caligraphy has that a BASE Mercedes’ gls does NOT have: Massaging first row seats, heated and ventilated second row seats, third row vents, heated third row seats, Nappa leather seats, blind spot view camera, adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assist, and rear sunshades. The Mercedes’ gls does have a bunch of things the palisade doesn’t have, but it cost 31k more The gls definitely has a much nicer cabin, a better engine, a more comfortable ride, 4 zone climate, more adjustment for the first row, and power 2nd row seats, and probably more, but it cost 31k more
We got a 2023 Pallisade. Won't keep it more than about 4 years. They're an incredible value, but there's no free lunch. That V6 is very primitive -- the tech was current in the 90s or early 2000s. It's competent, but woefully hard on gas compared with e.g., the CX-90 that makes 30% more power and gets 30% more mpg. Reliability on these Korean vehicles has been pretty bad (hence the long warranties). Any experienced mechanic will tell you that Hyundai / Kia motors fail more than almost any other brand. So, great value as long as you don't plan on keeping one of these as long as you can keep a Toyota (they'll easily last 20 years with proper maintenance).
Hyundai is making solid cars no doubt. But Hyundai Kia Genesis servicing is not that good from what I have heard. Lexus and Toyota service center treat you like a king.
@@abdullah6747 no it won’t. That’s what you said for the Lexus RX and Lexus nx. “The nx and RX will both destroy the gv70 and gv80”. Clearly that didn’t happen 😆 Keep dreaming
@@naveenthemachine you really comparing rx with gv80? Well lexus have the lx which is the luxury one it’s pretty luxury the only downside is that its not a pandemic sunroof since its mostly in the arabic countries and they are all off roading
@@abdullah6747 no the lx is not luxury at all even to Lexus standards. Have you even seen the lx600? It’s already outdated even though it just got redesigned The gv80 simply wipes the lx and RX inside and out Compare a gv80 to an RX or lx nx you’ll immediately notice the huge difference
Agree with the video. Toyota is falling behind they don't like to improve things. Reliability gets you so far because most people will change cars before the reliability concerns show up.
Tell that to the thousands of Hyundai owners that have needed their engines replaced at least twice while under warranty. Yes you don’t have to pay but it’s very inconvenient and when it’s out of warranty it becomes a massive headache
Yet the Highlander outsells the Palisade and Telluride COMBINED… So people are still buying them and yes, like the Koreans, the Highlander has a waitlist/markup to buy.
@@FCM415 Who cares if Toyota outsells the Palisade? Who is talking about sales lol. Palisade is a brand new SUV and already pulling almost half of Highlander sales says more about them than Toyota. If they don't improve they won't be selling as much for long
@@TripleMachine What does it being a new product have the do with anything? This generation Highlander and Palisade/Telluride were released in the same year. In 2021, only 86k Palisades were sold, 264k Highlander were sold. That’s almost 3 times as many Palisades. Even combined with the Telluride, they’re almost 90k units off of the Highlander. Toyota has the reputation that Hyundai/Kia doesn’t!
My pick is the Toyota Highlander platinum. My previous cars Honda, Volvo, GMC, Buick, Ford, Audi, Peugot, Toyota Rav, Kia Soul, Hyndai elantra. Toyota and Honda 250,000 to 300,000 miles/ km very little maintenance. Therefore for reliability for owning a car is Toyota and it has enough features, luxury and room. If your looking for more Tech features, more cubic feet, money is not a concern, more then 5 family members, and leasing for short periods, it would be Hyundai. Bang for the buck and long haul financially, residual value to sell or from accidents, it would be Toyota by a mile.
What if you compare which one has lower dealer markups, because I’ve heard of ridiculous amounts of money people are willing to pay for some of these vehicles? Of course it’s the customer’s fault if they are willing pay these markups because they don’t have to one of the vehicles today or tomorrow.
When I do the test ride of pallisade FWD I felt the lag in v6 at the acceleration initially. Is it because of FWD or it’s the same for AWD as well. This is the only reason stopping me to buy pallisade. Please advise
The fuel economy of the hybrid model in itself deserves 3 if not more points for the Highlander. Its a very big deciding factor for prospective buyers.
@@papaagidi2838 Agreed, considering that all of the Pilots competitors have larger screens on their top trims. Not sure who is doing Competitive Analysis at Honda.
I love the Hyundai but they have way too many engine problems. It seems Hyundai has not taken these problems seriously enough. That's the only reason I'm staying away from any Hyundai or Kia. Too bad...
Good afternoon from New Jersey family of 6 I would like your professional opinion on which car you think I should look to purchase between the 2023 Grand Cherokee l and a 2023 Hyundai Palisade? # thx!!!
Personally we prefer the Palisade but there are certainly some reasons one might choose the GC. We have a comparison between the Grand Cherokee L and the Kia Telluride on the channel which might be helpful to your decision making
These TH-cam comparisons are as reliable as a modern Motor Trend feature. Stop promoting cars that have significantly more recalls and a historically poor quality track record. The fact is that the Highlander will be in the road at 250,000 miles while a Hyundai won’t come close.
Palliside engines are crap,i have a relative that have to switch 2 engines, on top of that they can catch on fire so you have to park them outside to avoid burning down your house,also notice that anyone that buys hiunday or kia will only do it once because all the extras don't matter when you have to wait for months to have your engine replaced so i will still buy Toyota hands down....
Palisade is beautiful and drive well BUT dont buy it if it snows where you live!! I have had 2 Palisades. Both wiper blades dont work in the snow!!! They even had a recall because the blade motor didnt work in the snow but they never fixed it!
No journalist talks about how bad the transmission mapping is in the palisade and how the transmission always seems confused or undecided and really how little torque the palisade has. Shockingly bad performing large v6
Toyota is reliable but very boring. Not fun to ride. Nway, i dont want to use same car for over 8 to 10 years. So, Palisade for me! And the natural asphirated V6 is more reliable than Toyota's Turbo.
All vehicles regardless of maker have their good and bad points. I think though in a lot of ways. Toyota is in catchup mode. For too long, it knew it was the top dog and kingpin and didnt do anything to try and keep it ( A good example of this is look at Toyota's latest version of the Land Cruiser). Now it has serious competition and has to do changes to keep up with the competition. I am not a Toyota hater, nor am I a Hyundai / Kia hater. Toyota's have not been free of issues with various models at different times. Same with Hyundai / Kia. If it is man-made it can break. For what they are they are good vehicles. At the end of the day I think it more comes down to personal choice. If you are a Toyota fan then obviously you will tend to go Toyota and likewise if your a fan of Hyundai. It also comes down to what you are wanting. If one offers something your specifically looking for and the other does not ... then you will go for what your wanting.
@@naveenthemachine That would really come down to preferences, the Highlander has a sportier look and isn’t as wide in the garage, but yes the sienna is a popular option with families.
Can't take the review seriously... when the driver is sitting too far away from the steering wheel. Arms should be bent a bit more. Not stretched straight out.
I've been cross shopping these two vehicles for a while, and while the Hyundai might win with features. The one thing they're lacking is reliability, where Toyota absolutely blows them out of the water. Before all the Hyundai fanboys come screaming at me, I currently own a 2017 Sonata Sport. It was great at first, but it quickly started to show its age. After only 3 years it started burning oil, I raised the concern to Hyundai and they said 1qt burned every 1000 miles is "normal" and that I just need to keep an eye on the oil level and keep adding more. I did not fall into the "adverse" oil change recommendation in the manual and was doing 5k mile oil changes...which Hyundai said was perfectly fine. I burned enough oil that I was getting a low oil pressure light between changes. Hyundai refuses to acknowledge the problem. I also had a problem this year where my ECU was saying I had an engine knock and went into limp mode. It sat at the dealership for 5 days, they refused to give me a loaner because "they didn't have any"...because other customers were using all of theirs for other issues. They claim it was simply a software update that was needed under a recall that I missed, even though I have the paperwork to show I had that exact upgrade/recall fixed a year prior. I can't trust a vehicle that's going to have a possibility of consistent engine issues.
Well...sorry for Toyota, but it is not a comparable level in term of designs; both exterior and interior...Probably only reliability is the crown that Toyota may hold(this is still unsure though).
@@naveenthemachine no they are not desirable !! These are actually disastrous suvs !! In fact hyndai kia must thank people who bought these suvs and gave them chance 😂😂😂😂😂
@@ibrahimbashir6634 You're jealous man. Just admit it. Hyundai and KIA are better when it comes to long term reliability, meanwhile toyota wheels are falling off and transmission is having too much problems. You're a fantic who loves to believe in his delusion. Stay mad bro with all of that long laughing emojis to hide your hurt and jealously. LMAO
Dont by a Hyundai Palisade. I have had nothing but issues with my 2022 Caligraphy. Hyundai service is the worst in the industry. For example i currently have a rear differential issue and earliest they can get me in is Nov 20th. Thats between 5 dealerships. Yes they offer 3 year free maintenance which is useless as you have to wait monthS for a oil change. Save your money and dont purchase a Palisade.
The Palisade is so much prettier and it has more features, the only problem is its engine Hyundai engines always gets on fire and it explodes! That is why Hyundai does not advice you put their vehicles inside an enclose garage!
I would rather buy a luxury vehicle BMW/Audi/Benz with that price rather buying these Toyota or Hyundai . Cheap plastics every where with premium pricing and that too paying over the MSRP… straight NO!!!
hyundai palisade all the the way.. toyota is boring to drive and infotainment system and back up camera is garbage,, i will never buy another toyota since my 2021 camry trd died at 10k
Not even close. Palisade is just better in every way possible no comparison. Hyundais are more desirable than Toyotas now. That’s a fact. Get used to it. Toyotas reliability is now on par with Hyundai. So it’s a no brainer. Get the Hyundai over the Toyota. Not even the upcoming grand Highlander has any fighting chance to compete. It already lost badly to the palisade and we haven’t seen it yet. The grand Highlander won’t solve any problems. It won’t be anywhere near as attractive or as luxurious or as spacious or just as good as the palisade.
You’re always annoyingly in someone’s comment section hating on Toyota and Lexus, the biggest and richest car company in the world. I think that the Palisade is better but definitely not more desirable. The Highlander is actively outselling the Telluride and Palisade combined. We haven’t seen the Grand Highlander so how will we know if it’s better or not?
Hyundai is a clear winner. It beats the toyota all the way even when toyota's reliability is an utter joke. I would trade a Toyota in for a Hyundai in a heartbeat.
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I just bought a Palisade. Absolutely gorgeous and smooth, quiet ride.
Me too lol
Got mines 2day!
Talk bout lit! Lol
With so many similarities I’d have to go with the palisade for sheer looks. I like it’s beefier looking front end and love the elegant interior. I’m curious which one would be higher rated for its towing ability?
Beautiful styling on the Hyundai.
Wow! Anybody doubting Korean craftmanship is in for a big surprise! Hyundai/Kia are the new Toyota in my opinion.
the palisade is more beautiful inside and out, but I went with the hybrid highlander solely for gas mileage (35mpg). I figure it'll save me 15 years of crying at the gas station every week :P
I made the same decision and went with highlander hybrid.
I trust Toyota engineering
What is the real time fuel economy you are getting from Highlander??!!!
that’s a real value ( oil mileage)
That's because you preipaid all your 15 years gas savings to Toyota.
My concerns are a 4cylinder turbo engine will wear internally faster than a naturally aspirated V-6. Something to consider when purchasing. I realize Toyota makes great engines for the most part, but the Hyundai/KIA companies are gaining in the reliability aspect in the last 8 years. They continue to strive to be the best, and I feel they will, as I worked in the auto industry for 35 years. I remember when I would never consider a hyundai automobile, but I own a used Santa Fe Sport, and it has been reliable, and fun to drive. I bought it used, and has never let me down starting my third year of ownership.
I owned a 2014 Santa Fe sport 2.0T AWD. Had it for about 9 years. Never had a major problem with it. The only reason I don’t have it now is because I traded it in for a 2023 Santa Fe calligraphy AWD!!!
KPP, mine is 2014 Santa Fe Sport Ultimate, with all the bells and whistles, that I bought used. I didn’t realize how decked out it was , but it has the 2.4 4 cylinder, and AWD, but with no engine problems. It may have been fixed before I bought it. Fun to drive, and happy owner.
@@steveperyer4850 mine also was loaded. Had the technology package. The panoramic Sun roof. Heated and ventilation seats. Heated steering wheel. Etc.
Yes, the Highlander will have serious problems with that turbo considering the Highlander is loaded with people and cargo. The torque is designed for lower rpms so it feels quick on a test drive, but can’t sustain if you are road trips. Toyota is trying to trick people. They already have huge issues with the Tundra’s turbo engine with the waste gases.
Lol toyota has made the JZ engines, overbuilt af and durable turbo engines. In sure this turbo 4 won't outlast the v6, but nonetheless still will last a lot longer than the competition, as always
My family needed a larger vehicle because the prius was now just to small. The Palisade was very impressive. definetly much bigger, seemed like a more premium "feel". But the fit and finish was much better for the Highlander. We could not wait for car prices to go down we had to purchase before interest rates rose even higher as well. We went to the Hyundai dealership and to our shock every dealership had a $15k "market adjustment" markup. Toyota did not and hey even took $500 OFF msrp. Real life pricing in SoCal for the Palisade was closer to $73,000. We purchased a PLATINUM Highlander fully loaded for $53,602 OTD. Because of that markup I feel is taking advantage of consumers. Me personally shame on Hyundai for gouging working class people. Toyota has earned my business and people can not debate the Toyota reliability.
@@matrixist I think it depends on dealer network. In my area it’s the other way around. Sometimes dealers will treat people unequally.
Where did you buy that Toyota at if your don’t mind my asking ?
@Connor Smith I bought my highlander at John Elway Toyota in Ontario California.
@Reginald Tubao i will be going there to get my vehicle too! 2nd time I've heard someone personally have good things to say about them!
What do y’all think of your Highlanders?! Looking at an XSE but trying to decide between the Palisade and Highlander.
It doesn't really seem fair to compare the highest trim level Palisade to the second highest trim Highlander. I know that they mentioned some of the options offered on the Highlander Platinum, but that really doesn't do it justice. Plus, that grimy green color isn't doing the Highlander any favors. Although there are a few more creature comforts in the Palisade and the Palisade does seem like a better choice from this video, I wouldn't trade the reliability and resale value of the Highlander for a heated and power folding third row seat that I am barley ever going to use. As far as I am concerned, it is just something else that I have to worry about breaking. Finally, you just can't beat the fuel economy of the Highlander Hybrid. 36 combined MPG vs the Palisade's 22. In sum, although the Hyundai Palisade offers a very appealing option, which has come a long way in recent years, I would still purchase the 2023 Highlander Platinum Hybrid in Wind Chill Pearl White.
Best comparison. It’s hard for me to choose. I think palisade is definitely the best one for me because of the inside.
Simple, enjoy the Palisade for 4-5 years and get rid of it before it becomes a cash for clunkers write-off. Highlanders last for over 20 years, literally number one in reliability and owner satisfaction across the board in Consumer Reports for decades now. Owning a car that long isn’t for everyone though so get the Palisade.
no one keeps a car for a long time lmao
@@sachilee1 I don’t know about that man 😂
@@FCM415 most people is not gonna keep a car for 20 years just saying
@@sachilee1 No but it’s telling that you still see 20 yr old Toyotas everywhere. I wouldn’t either but it’s a sign of what their priorities are.
Consumer reports ranks the telluride #1 for almost 4 years now..
All Hyundai/Kia has to do is continue working on their reliability to dethrone Toyota. The brand has the value Toyota has (or should I say had in comparison).
Well.
The palisade is fairly new and Time will tell us about its reliability. Both Hyundai and Kia can't make the time go faster to prove their reliability.
Kia and Hyundai won’t be that reliable because they are using gdi engines, which mean they will always have engine issues.
Ones this segment switches over to EV's, Toyota's reliability advantage will be almost non existent. With no engine or transmission, EVs I think will shake up the current market leaders.
I have a Kia, 7 plus years, oil change and battery so far, now to me that's quite reliable and problem free, and warranty is better than Toyota.
@@silverfox1234 Current BEVs have horrid reliability, while Toyota hybrids are the most reliable. Hybrids are more complex. The gap between Toyota and other manufacturers will widen when they make BEVs.
Hyundai has always been reliable to me. both a santa fe and a tucson are 7+ years old and hasnt had any major repairs.
My daughter has a 2009 budget Elantra that she has abused for nearly 14 years. Still runs fine. The neighbor has a 17-year-old KIA that looks new. I was a big Toyota fan and it was tough to make the switch, but I took a chance on the Palisade. Great so far. Is Hyundai/Kia the new Toyota? Only time will tell: I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
I was intending to buy a Highlander for my wife but then we test drove the Palisade Calligraphy and were blown away. Needless to say, we went with the Palisade.
Same for us. We had a color combo picked out for the Highlander, and did not like it in person. Back to the drawing board, we “forced” ourselves to look at a Palisade. Really, there isn’t much of a comparison IMO. Just took delivery of a ‘23 black/beige Calligraphy.
@@leftfoot830 how much?
@@thetruthyes sticker. Bought it out of state. We waited six months, which was rough, but was better than paying thousands over.
Smart decision!
Go Hyundai Palisade! Thank you for amazing review! After watching this video, I can confidently buy Hyundai Palisade this week
Glad we could help!
The Palisades looks better however I still don't trust hyundai/kia durability compared to the boring toyota.
I was gonna say the same thing
yeah, also toyotas will keep higher value if you decide to sell in 5 years or so
Ended up buying the top trim Palisade V6 and I don't regret it... It is not a GLE, nor a GV80 as the price reflects it, but it is closing the gap tech and comfort wise....!!
What prize? I'm in Australia..!!
@@joelmativet3647 it’s a scam :( the bots saying you win prizes aren’t legit
It is really telling of the value once you truly compare them. Hyundai simply delivered a knock-out. Power-folding mirrors, wireless AA/AC, and fuel economy improvements seem to be all that it is mainly lacking. Toyota would need the Platinum to truly compete with this Calligraphy for a more fair test, but I don't think the scoring would change.
Yes, I know the world is greatly downsizing in engines, but the 3.5 was the secret sauce of the Highlander. The 2.4 is pretty buzzy and interferes with the hallmark refinement of the Highlander.
Not even the platinum has a chance to compete. Heck not even more expensive Lexus SUVs can compete with this
Wireless AC/AA isn't really a big deal. Just plug it in...
@naveenthemachine The Palisade has many problems that has not shown up yet because it is still to brand new. but I am a gear head and it has some design flaws that just doesn't make any sense to me. 1. it has a PLASTIC intake manifold. it should be aluminum. plastic in the engine bay will become brittle and crack. 2. the 8 speed trans is made by Hyandai Transys. the same company that they had trouble with their past cars. 3. they utilize a high compression ration motor that means that these engine runs hotter. 4. they do not use hydralic lifters. adjustable lifters are 1990 technologies. 5. a MAJOR PROBLEM is they utilize GDI that is bad. look up VW recommends the motor be teared down every 30k miles so that they use walnut shells to clean the carbon build that will affect gas mileage, reliability, emissions. 5. lastly to change the spark plugs the intake manifold has to be completely removed Hyandai ingenuity $300 labor cost to change a $5 spark plug.... LET'S LOOK AT TOYOTA . metal intake manifold. CHECK. Hydraulic lifters. the latest technology for internal combustion engine. CHECK. has GDI as well for fuel economy but also utilizes multi port injection to clean the valves. so no problems of GDI. CHECK. spark plug change so simple any DIYer can learn from youtube. CHECK. and for the people that say well it's a turbo motor now and it will not last. they need to be reminded that TOYOTA is not new to the turbo game. I just need to say 3SGTE and 2JZ. last I checked these TOYOTA TURBO MOTORS are legendary even sought after today. CHECK and CHECK..... but hey the Proven Hyandai has proven itself the last 30 years with classic cars like the Excel, Accent, Elantra that blew cars like the Corolla AE86, the MR2 3SGTE, the Supra 2JZ and lets not forget Hyandai also beats the LEXUS LS the only Japanese Luxury car that successfully challenged the German Luxury cars. and please don't tell me Genesis because I have an even longer list for that junk.
i just re-read my post and I humbly appologize that it sounds like i'm being a major jerk. but there are a lot of people that just buy it because it's new and has fancy flashie gadgets. times are tough and we need to stretch our dollar cars from Hyandai are nice but they more importantly need last. repairs need to be affordable. it's just frustrating because these reviewers do not tell the whole story and non-car people will be stuck and regret spending hard earned money on someone's misguided information.... Again I humbly apologize if it came accross disrespectful...
@@reginaldtubao6472 repair costs for both cars should be about the same, since both has similar level of technologies. Also, Korean cars are known for easy maintenance (DIY) unlike german or american cars. Not sure how it compares to Japanese cars, but it should be on the same level. In terms of reliability, Hyundai should be more reliable, since it has longer warranty length. Not by slightly, but twice more.
I don’t want oil burning issues at 50k miles with the Hyundai so I’ll pick the Toyota.
I think the guys that did this video were born in 2015. I don’t think they understand the extreme reliability of Toyota. The Hyundai looks good but and has 😢 to offer a longer warranty, as their engine is old school…I’ll stand with Toyota reliability and resale / trade in value any day.
Hyundai just doesn’t have the longevity with reliability and resale. I just purchased a 2023 Highlander platinum four-cylinder turbo, and I am extremely amazed at the power. This vehicle is more luxurious than my Lexus & more ex options than the Pallisade
Palisade is the clear winner... except it's not a Toyota. And that's the deal breaker.
Take both these vehicles out on identical usage to 75 k miles, and which one will have the higher resale value? That's it.
the palisade has higher resale value still lol
The fact that the palisades not a Toyota already makes it better
@UCepxJvL6KuZ8RGXJ_rWoJ3g theres tellurides with more then 70k, Palisade will make it more then that.
Your grading system is too bias, the palisade should be given 1 point each on most amenities they offer , it is not even close . The palisade is far ahead in all ramifications.
Toyota all the way.. Guaranteed Reliability!! Hyundai uses old school engines..the Toyota 4cyl turbo is fast with no turbo lag.. staying with known reliability!!!
The Palisade (and Telluride) are the clear winners in the 3 row non-luxury SUV space. However, they don’t have the Toyota badge. Toyota knows that they don’t have to do much for customers to still buy them. The Highlander is far from being the best in the segment, yet it (and the Explorer) still outsells the Korean twins combined. Toyota customers won’t cross shop them with almost anything and if they do, it’s likely Honda, not Kia/Hyundai. With a Toyota, you’re guaranteed reliability and resale value, which are arguably the most important aspects of buying a car. It’s a reason Toyota/Lexus is the richest and largest car manufacturer in the world.
toyota and lexus is not reliable anymore
Did u check the price of the similarity used Kia’s and Hyundai in recent years? Use Toyotas and used Hyundai of same years now have almost the same price so Toyota having high resale values over the other brands is becoming history or outdated belief
Toyota reliability isn't all of that and their resale and value is 3%-2%above Hyundai and KIA. Sorry, Hyundai and KIA has come a long way to prove themselves worthy of being buyable.
I feel highlander has a much higher cabin noise. However Hyundai's engine reliability could still be a concern
Hyundais have a rep for bad cabin noise within a year of owning one. Very common.
@@FCM415 Yeah, I’ve heard of the Telluride having problems with cabin noise.
Toyotas are bulletproof. I had a 4runner that last me 330k miles. I finally got rid of because I got bored and bought a mdx.
@@AmandeepSingh-ck9xd The 4Runner and Lexus GX are pure automotive gold. Hope that MDX is fun to drive.
Hyundai's reliability is an A plus better then toyota. I wouldn't waste my money on a toyota clunker.
Things that that the Hyundai palisade caligraphy has that a BASE Mercedes’ gls does NOT have:
Massaging first row seats, heated and ventilated second row seats, third row vents, heated third row seats, Nappa leather seats, blind spot view camera, adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assist, and rear sunshades.
The Mercedes’ gls does have a bunch of things the palisade doesn’t have, but it cost 31k more
The gls definitely has a much nicer cabin, a better engine, a more comfortable ride, 4 zone climate, more adjustment for the first row, and power 2nd row seats, and probably more, but it cost 31k more
There’s a reason why every limo driver in potholes ridden New York drives Toyota they just unmuched
We got a 2023 Pallisade. Won't keep it more than about 4 years. They're an incredible value, but there's no free lunch. That V6 is very primitive -- the tech was current in the 90s or early 2000s. It's competent, but woefully hard on gas compared with e.g., the CX-90 that makes 30% more power and gets 30% more mpg. Reliability on these Korean vehicles has been pretty bad (hence the long warranties). Any experienced mechanic will tell you that Hyundai / Kia motors fail more than almost any other brand. So, great value as long as you don't plan on keeping one of these as long as you can keep a Toyota (they'll easily last 20 years with proper maintenance).
Toyota wins in resell value and reliability, long-term. The grand Highlander will compete with the Hyundai later in 2023..
The past 12-15 yrs I've had a great experience on reliability on both Toyota/Lexus and Hyundai/Kia
Absolute best comparison I’ve ever watched -thank you
We appreciate the kind comment! Thanks
Hyundai is making solid cars no doubt. But Hyundai Kia Genesis servicing is not that good from what I have heard. Lexus and Toyota service center treat you like a king.
Toyota Highlander any day!
We knew it was over for the highlander before the video even started
And I know it’s over for the grand highlander before it even gets unveiled
@@naveenthemachine the grand highlander will destroy that Korean car
@@abdullah6747 no it won’t.
That’s what you said for the Lexus RX and Lexus nx. “The nx and RX will both destroy the gv70 and gv80”. Clearly that didn’t happen 😆
Keep dreaming
@@naveenthemachine you really comparing rx with gv80? Well lexus have the lx which is the luxury one it’s pretty luxury the only downside is that its not a pandemic sunroof since its mostly in the arabic countries and they are all off roading
@@abdullah6747 no the lx is not luxury at all even to Lexus standards. Have you even seen the lx600? It’s already outdated even though it just got redesigned
The gv80 simply wipes the lx and RX inside and out
Compare a gv80 to an RX or lx nx you’ll immediately notice the huge difference
Agree with the video. Toyota is falling behind they don't like to improve things. Reliability gets you so far because most people will change cars before the reliability concerns show up.
Tell that to the thousands of Hyundai owners that have needed their engines replaced at least twice while under warranty. Yes you don’t have to pay but it’s very inconvenient and when it’s out of warranty it becomes a massive headache
@@andybub45 Not with the Palisades. You talking about different Hyundai cars.
Yet the Highlander outsells the Palisade and Telluride COMBINED… So people are still buying them and yes, like the Koreans, the Highlander has a waitlist/markup to buy.
@@FCM415 Who cares if Toyota outsells the Palisade? Who is talking about sales lol. Palisade is a brand new SUV and already pulling almost half of Highlander sales says more about them than Toyota. If they don't improve they won't be selling as much for long
@@TripleMachine What does it being a new product have the do with anything? This generation Highlander and Palisade/Telluride were released in the same year. In 2021, only 86k Palisades were sold, 264k Highlander were sold. That’s almost 3 times as many Palisades. Even combined with the Telluride, they’re almost 90k units off of the Highlander. Toyota has the reputation that Hyundai/Kia doesn’t!
I’m going with the Hyundai this time
I think is better to compare the Toyota Highlander Platinum with that Hyundai Calygraphy
My pick is the Toyota Highlander platinum. My previous cars Honda, Volvo, GMC, Buick, Ford, Audi, Peugot, Toyota Rav, Kia Soul, Hyndai elantra. Toyota and Honda 250,000 to 300,000 miles/ km very little maintenance. Therefore for reliability for owning a car is Toyota and it has enough features, luxury and room. If your looking for more Tech features, more cubic feet, money is not a concern, more then 5 family members, and leasing for short periods, it would be Hyundai. Bang for the buck and long haul financially, residual value to sell or from accidents, it would be Toyota by a mile.
What if you compare which one has lower dealer markups, because I’ve heard of ridiculous amounts of money people are willing to pay for some of these vehicles? Of course it’s the customer’s fault if they are willing pay these markups because they don’t have to one of the vehicles today or tomorrow.
When I do the test ride of pallisade FWD I felt the lag in v6 at the acceleration initially. Is it because of FWD or it’s the same for AWD as well. This is the only reason stopping me to buy pallisade. Please advise
The fuel economy of the hybrid model in itself deserves 3 if not more points for the Highlander. Its a very big deciding factor for prospective buyers.
Good luck finding a Hybrid Highlander at MSRP. You will be paying markups and the saving will be negated if you do pay a markup.
Excellent comparison guys!
Thanks man!
amazing job
How do you think these two will compare to the new Pilot?
Pilot will be the safest choice. More of a can’t go wrong pick than the highlander
Pilot is still dated when compared to these 2 cars
@@papaagidi2838 Agreed, considering that all of the Pilots competitors have larger screens on their top trims. Not sure who is doing Competitive Analysis at Honda.
The new pilots interior already looks older than these two imo
We will find out soon!
I love the Hyundai but they have way too many engine problems. It seems Hyundai has not taken these problems seriously enough. That's the only reason I'm staying away from any Hyundai or Kia. Too bad...
Hyundai all the way.
Transmission failed engine noise failed brake 💔
I love all suvs on the road.❤
Palisade!
Good afternoon from New Jersey family of 6 I would like your professional opinion on which car you think I should look to purchase between the 2023 Grand Cherokee l and a 2023 Hyundai Palisade? # thx!!!
Personally we prefer the Palisade but there are certainly some reasons one might choose the GC. We have a comparison between the Grand Cherokee L and the Kia Telluride on the channel which might be helpful to your decision making
We compared the Grand cherokee L to the Pallisade. Palisade was more refined AND 3,000 cheaper. Palisade also has a better warranty.
I would pick the Highlander
Enjoy staying at the shop.
Is there a comparison between palisade and grand highlander?
Highlander 2023 is lowlander now because of its engine power decreased from 3.5 to 2.5 ltrs.
Lowlander lmaoo
I don’t comment on the four-cylinder turbo to be driven it. I was so impressed I bought one stepping down from a V-8 Lexus.
The horsepower also dropped down from 295
I gonna buy both of these great SUV's bro.
Reliable and huge resale is Toyota all the way🎉
Nope. Junk Toyota as always.
I'd be happy to have Toyota's resale value as well when I want to pawn it off on someone else for something nicer than a Toyota
Its not the 90's anymore grandpa
The highlander looks small, old, OVERPRICED next to the Palisade. My $ goes to the Palisade.
Palisade for sure!
For my family members safety, I’d put Toyota’s reliability first over all those bells and whistles in Palisade.
Hyundai 100%
These TH-cam comparisons are as reliable as a modern Motor Trend feature. Stop promoting cars that have significantly more recalls and a historically poor quality track record. The fact is that the Highlander will be in the road at 250,000 miles while a Hyundai won’t come close.
Palliside engines are crap,i have a relative that have to switch 2 engines, on top of that they can catch on fire so you have to park them outside to avoid burning down your house,also notice that anyone that buys hiunday or kia will only do it once because all the extras don't matter when you have to wait for months to have your engine replaced so i will still buy Toyota hands down....
Can we get jeep cherokee L 2023 vs Telluride or Hyundai Palisade 2023
Thanks for the ideas for future comparisons!
i go for Toyota Highlander for human abuse tolerance...reliability history is more important...
Palisade is beautiful and drive well BUT dont buy it if it snows where you live!! I have had 2 Palisades. Both wiper blades dont work in the snow!!! They even had a recall because the blade motor didnt work in the snow but they never fixed it!
Toyota Highlander, that my car your driving.
No journalist talks about how bad the transmission mapping is in the palisade and how the transmission always seems confused or undecided and really how little torque the palisade has. Shockingly bad performing large v6
In China you rarely see a Korean car on roads. That tells you something.
First tesla made blind spot camera system
Toyota, because it uses less fuel, because it is a longer lasting car, more reliable and available with a hybrid system
Toyota is reliable but very boring. Not fun to ride. Nway, i dont want to use same car for over 8 to 10 years. So, Palisade for me! And the natural asphirated V6 is more reliable than Toyota's Turbo.
All vehicles regardless of maker have their good and bad points. I think though in a lot of ways. Toyota is in catchup mode. For too long, it knew it was the top dog and kingpin and didnt do anything to try and keep it ( A good example of this is look at Toyota's latest version of the Land Cruiser). Now it has serious competition and has to do changes to keep up with the competition. I am not a Toyota hater, nor am I a Hyundai / Kia hater. Toyota's have not been free of issues with various models at different times. Same with Hyundai / Kia. If it is man-made it can break. For what they are they are good vehicles. At the end of the day I think it more comes down to personal choice. If you are a Toyota fan then obviously you will tend to go Toyota and likewise if your a fan of Hyundai. It also comes down to what you are wanting. If one offers something your specifically looking for and the other does not ... then you will go for what your wanting.
Lol. The Highlander doesn't even compete. Looks outdated. Toyota needs to give it a major refresh!
It won’t happen. It was refreshed recently
But even the upcoming grand highlander is already outdated and we haven’t seen it yet
Get the Highlander Hybrid, done.
Why not the sienna hybrid instead? Same price same mpg more spacious and more features
@@naveenthemachine That would really come down to preferences, the Highlander has a sportier look and isn’t as wide in the garage, but yes the sienna is a popular option with families.
Nah. I still prefer the Palisades not the ever boring Toyota. Besides the Turbo engine is negative than the V6.
Can't take the review seriously... when the driver is sitting too far away from the steering wheel. Arms should be bent a bit more. Not stretched straight out.
This has to be in the top 5 most random things anyone has ever complained about 😂
Palisade is basically genisis
I've been cross shopping these two vehicles for a while, and while the Hyundai might win with features. The one thing they're lacking is reliability, where Toyota absolutely blows them out of the water.
Before all the Hyundai fanboys come screaming at me, I currently own a 2017 Sonata Sport. It was great at first, but it quickly started to show its age. After only 3 years it started burning oil, I raised the concern to Hyundai and they said 1qt burned every 1000 miles is "normal" and that I just need to keep an eye on the oil level and keep adding more. I did not fall into the "adverse" oil change recommendation in the manual and was doing 5k mile oil changes...which Hyundai said was perfectly fine. I burned enough oil that I was getting a low oil pressure light between changes. Hyundai refuses to acknowledge the problem. I also had a problem this year where my ECU was saying I had an engine knock and went into limp mode. It sat at the dealership for 5 days, they refused to give me a loaner because "they didn't have any"...because other customers were using all of theirs for other issues. They claim it was simply a software update that was needed under a recall that I missed, even though I have the paperwork to show I had that exact upgrade/recall fixed a year prior.
I can't trust a vehicle that's going to have a possibility of consistent engine issues.
Well...sorry for Toyota, but it is not a comparable level in term of designs; both exterior and interior...Probably only reliability is the crown that Toyota may hold(this is still unsure though).
Nothing was even said about towing, palisade is 5000, what about Toyota, personally, Kia telluride beats them both.
Apologies if the editor forgot to add the towing text box. Both can handle 5,000 lbs.
Highlander is the best....but Nissan Pathfinder is better 🙂🙂
..as usual five years from now anyone who bought the Hyundai will wish they'd bought the Toyota.
Then why are the Korean SUVs so hard to find even before the pandemic? Because they are desirable
@@naveenthemachine no they are not desirable !! These are actually disastrous suvs !!
In fact hyndai kia must thank people who bought these suvs and gave them chance 😂😂😂😂😂
@@ibrahimbashir6634 Sounds like you're jealous. You're jealously of Hyundai and KIA amuses me. LMFAO
@@maga6319 hyundai and kia cars are jealous of themselves !! Thats why they burn themselves down on roads and garages 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ibrahimbashir6634 You're jealous man. Just admit it. Hyundai and KIA are better when it comes to long term reliability, meanwhile toyota wheels are falling off and transmission is having too much problems. You're a fantic who loves to believe in his delusion. Stay mad bro with all of that long laughing emojis to hide your hurt and jealously. LMAO
Dont by a Hyundai Palisade. I have had nothing but issues with my 2022 Caligraphy. Hyundai service is the worst in the industry. For example i currently have a rear differential issue and earliest they can get me in is Nov 20th. Thats between 5 dealerships. Yes they offer 3 year free maintenance which is useless as you have to wait monthS for a oil change. Save your money and dont purchase a Palisade.
The Palisade is so much prettier and it has more features, the only problem is its engine Hyundai engines always gets on fire and it explodes! That is why Hyundai does not advice you put their vehicles inside an enclose garage!
No one gonna talk about how ugly the steering wheel is on the Hyundai? That alone is a -10…
It looks like you have a lot more room in the Highlander while driving compared to the Palisade.
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Palisade all day. Toyota is falling behind.
Can’t compare anymore
2024 highlander grand will be worth the wait.
and after you bought it, you will go broke.😆
The Highlander design is so ugly....
Toyota's keyfob looks like it's circa 2006. Good grief
The only thing different about the Highlander’s exterior is the green color
Realibility means you will drive the same toyota car for 20 years? That's gonna be effin boring.
I always thought the Palisade compares with the Toyota Sequoia. That would be a even better comparison.
Nah even the palisade destroys the sequoia in all ramifications
@@naveenthemachine You can’t compare cheap Korean crap with Toyota.
@@ELPJM09 Toyotas become cheaper lately. Hyundai and Kia are much better quality
So if anything your comment is cheap crap
I would rather buy a luxury vehicle BMW/Audi/Benz with that price rather buying these Toyota or Hyundai . Cheap plastics every where with premium pricing and that too paying over the MSRP… straight NO!!!
hyundai palisade all the the way.. toyota is boring to drive and infotainment system and back up camera is garbage,, i will never buy another toyota since my 2021 camry trd died at 10k
Welcome to fake news folks.
@@FCM415 you hurt?
@MAGA yes toyota hurt me. My camry trd died at 10k on the road.. it's was terrible experience with toyota..
Not even close. Palisade is just better in every way possible no comparison. Hyundais are more desirable than Toyotas now. That’s a fact. Get used to it. Toyotas reliability is now on par with Hyundai. So it’s a no brainer. Get the Hyundai over the Toyota.
Not even the upcoming grand Highlander has any fighting chance to compete. It already lost badly to the palisade and we haven’t seen it yet. The grand Highlander won’t solve any problems. It won’t be anywhere near as attractive or as luxurious or as spacious or just as good as the palisade.
Not really. Kias still have transmission issues and other engine problems .
@@akilghosh their 8 speed and v6 combo isn’t prone to issues. Their 4 cylinders yes and their dual clutch transmissions yes
Bro thinks it’s better just because he says it💀😂
You’re always annoyingly in someone’s comment section hating on Toyota and Lexus, the biggest and richest car company in the world. I think that the Palisade is better but definitely not more desirable. The Highlander is actively outselling the Telluride and Palisade combined. We haven’t seen the Grand Highlander so how will we know if it’s better or not?
Says the TH-cam KIA/Hyundai bot.
Hyundai is a clear winner. It beats the toyota all the way even when toyota's reliability is an utter joke. I would trade a Toyota in for a Hyundai in a heartbeat.
Until the Hyundai's engine blows up
Toyota reliability is no joke.
@@Dvnwee Just say you're jealous of Hyundai danny.
@@jo0123 have you been living under a rock?
Its just a matter of time hyundai will dominates i ended buying 2023 palisade calligraphy
Toyota is the best
Hyundai is awful
The Highlander will not be reliable with a turbo-4 cyl engine after 60k miles. Factor in some super expensive repairs on the intercooler or wastegate.
The biggest difference is RESALE VALUE. Toyota all day every day.
Have you not seen toyota's latest reliability issues?? LOL