DIO Brando vs Jotaro Kujo | FULL POWER REMATCH
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Next VS video will be gold experience requiem vs made in heaven!
Ger gets clapped you saw what happened in eyes of heaven
@@Dannymills285 its called plot armor my guy
Made in Heaven speedblitzes but RTZ resets basically
@@SubmissiveMemerality funny name
Nah bro that’s overkill giorno negs
all else aside "Jonathan would be proud" is the highest compliment any character in the jojo universe can receive
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“Koichi, you truly are a reliable guy”
@@sixpathspain2683 an excellent second place!!!!!!
third is Speedwagon declaring you a true gentleman
Ion know bro. Gyro telling you he believes in you gotta be up there
If I knew Jonathan would be proud of me I could die in peace.
Be the person Jonathan Joestar thinks you can be!
Technically speaking, since there is in fact a Jojo multiverse, that means this is canon.
definitely haven't seen this comment on literally any other JoJo what if videos on youtube
@@adolescentdolphin9010 To criticize someone for taking a low-hanging fruit is to ignore the fact that fruit is within reach to begin with.
@@purplehaze2358 bro talking like pucci
@@purplehaze2358 That's beyond flawed.
@@copaceticobserver Because?
It's a good thing Giorno didn't inherit Dio's trait of testing limits. Giorno just went for the kill every time
Yeah, honestly that's probably since he's a human made vampire.
Every human character is more strategic, vampires just go "ehh, I died, take two"
@@binaryboopsva
You meaning DIO or Giorno?
Because Giorno ain't a vampire
@@philswiftdestroyerofworlds1988
He’s saying that Dio was willing to test limits because vampires in the show all essentially went with the idea that a “mortal” death was just an inconvenience, and since Giorno isn’t a vampire that he has to be more strategic since he can’t just brush off “mortal” death.
It is worth noting that vampires can also die if absorbed by a pillar man, but that's hardly relevant to this fight.. unless you're keen on the theory that the reason Jotaro is so strong physically is Esidisi injecting his DNA into Suzie Q, thereby making Jotaro part pillarman.
Wild ass comment
Jotaro is not part pillarman lmao
@@Xelamorph67 Hey, I'm not saying whether he is or isn't; I'm just saying there's a demographic of people that do. My comment's pretty neutral on that front, I think.
@@purplehaze2358 I'd like to imagine this is the case. I just find the idea that the Joestar bloodline is so ridiculously fucked up hilarious. At the rate theyre going theyre gonna end up like Ichigo with a bit of everything in them lol
@@purplehaze2358 I really don't mean to cause offence, but this is quite possibly the dumbest fan-theory I've ever heard. Nowhere in the official manga, or even the non-canon material, has this idea even once been suggested. I would even go so far as to say that whomever first thought of this "theory" fundamentally misunderstands JoJo as a piece of literature, confusing it perhaps with some run of the mill, generic and uninspired shonen battle manga.
While DIO did have a long term plan- he entrusted it to Pucci who is a much better long-term/opportunist than DIO- showing he himself is aware of his innate flaw.
Like imagine DIO trying to gain Heaven in part 6... he gonna loose to both Jolyne and Jotaro cause he gonna still just fuck around and play with his food
@@thesymbiotenation.4552 That's his only weakness. Otherwise jotaro and Jolene neither would have stood a chance
@@Pqihtyieojn12 yep, his only weakness is fucking around and finding out
@@thesymbiotenation.4552 Fr.
Pucci is a menace tho, so who can blame him. Dio is an arrogant vampire head
Plus Pucci knew when to go for the kill, and not test his limits vs. Jotaro.
Basically, Dio would win if it was anyone else piloting his body, but because Dio is gonna be Dio and sandbag on purpose there's no way he beats Jotaro.
I find that hilarious because, like you said, it's consistent. 😅
Gotta carry the villain ball at all times.
If it was a rematch though dio wouldnt be arrogant cuz he already lost
@@ithoughtso.7016 See, I would agree if he didn't act pompous and showboaty and lose during his rematch with Jonathan in part 1.
Maybe if the third fight against Jotaro left Dio with just a head, he might win somehow if we follow existing precedent. 😂
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I would also argue that since jotaro has aged he has gotten a stamina nerf but dio would have inf stamina. Even if dio did play around he wouldve used any of the abilities he hasnt used in part 3. The only reason dio never used his abilities in part 3 is cuz of plot. Dio was at deaths door (when his legs were broken) i dont see why he never used freezing or stingy eyes
Dio could also play a battle of attrition as i said, cuz even though dio acts pompous and arrogant he isnt dumb. Hes seen the punching power of sp so i doubt he'd let himself get hit since jotaro got stronger
Jotaro’s 23 years of experience is just too fluid and do you remember how quickly he adapted to Made in Heaven which even feared Pucci? Sure Dio has a win condition. But let’s be real.
Jotaro is very good at analyzing his opponents and coming with a plan to counter it on the fly, every action he takes is coldly calculated and he keeps his cool at all times.
Much like the video mentioned, Pucci only defeated him because of shenanigans.
TBF the only way he could get the time stop to go off without dying was thanks to Anasui. In a 1V1 Pucci literally runs circles around Jotaro
If something is enough to make even Jotaro say the words "This is Bad" then you know he means it.
@@jackstar7204 the circle wouldn't matter once u stop time
@@mattmysterious866 As if Pucci would let him get that close. Jotaro needs to be smart with his time-stop. He can't spam it like DIO.
No matter how much self-awareness and mastery DIO accumulates, he’ll always fall back on old habits when in the moment. All he can do is refine his faux-personality, to lengthen the time he has under duress before the cracks begin to form.
A serious DIO would probably take any Jotaro out with little issue; the problem is that DIO likes to play around when he thinks he's basically already won, and that is just not what you do when you have the edge over a man like Jotaro. To beat Jotaro, you've gotta keep the pressure on him, don't stop, don't gloat, don't laugh, don't drive a finger into your temple, don't give him a chance to think of a counter strategy, just keep him busy until you get the chance to kill him.
Which is pretty much why Pucci won. He took the threat of Jotaro seriously.
Thats wrong, a serious DIO isnt doing shit. Star Platinum breaks The World apart really easily, shown when he broke The World.
@@flashxml DIO is still a vampire, so if he took Jotaro as a serious threat that had to be eliminated quickly, he could've used his vampiric abilities in combination with The World. Like, instead of throwing knives at Jotaro, he could've shot his Space Ripper Stingy Eyes, and Jotaro, not having Hamon, would have no choice but to try and dodge it.
@@jruler93 Star Platinum exceeds the speed of light, stingy eyes would prove to be a threat but inevitably useless against jotaro. Star Platinum in this scenario has a 5 second resistance to timestop, he'd take dio out before he could get the chance to throw knives or any other projectile.
@@flashxml I find it intriguing how also in this scenario DIO has a 11 second time stop, hmmm
Part of why DIO lost was because he was being cautious of Jotaro and what his abilities were, instead of just killing him. That seemingly smart cautiousness accidentally led to Jotaro being able to time stop for longer periods of time and get his opportunity to kill DIO.
In a rematch where they both remember the previous fight and DIO has his vampiric abilities, I'd imagine DIO would just go for the succ during timestop considering their stands are basically equal but DIOs timestop is longer and DIO himself would be a lot faster and able to blitz Jotaro. Especially since this is a DIO who already knows his abilities and failed to the joestars twice, I don't think he would go into flexing mode again. And considering Jotaro barely survived the first fight and is only being given an experience boost, I don't see him winning against a much more durable, faster, and stronger DIO
dio lost for being smart, dont forget that once dio learned star platinum's AP can damage/break The World he started using projectiles or ranged weapons for safety (knives, stop sign, road roller) instead of killing him directly, in the end dio had no other way to fight jotaro other than use his stand, he still did use his brain and blinded jotaro but even that wasnt enough and got his stand broken
@@KannaTheGamer yea, its just unpredictable. He could go all on out King Crimson mode, Or ranged mode or fighting head on there is so much possibility.
(before awakened) Dio kind of over exaggates his Stands capabilities given that SP mostly outputs TW in power, even with broken bones, Jotaro could still output Dio in power, the stands are overall equal (unless using awakened TW) Jotaro's rage amp was somehow superior to Dio's vampire abilities.
@@Fruadlantbastard Dio was blitzing jotaro in the fight, so he decided to be cocky again. Every time jotaro outpowered dio except that one time he gave him a concussion. It was because Dio got cocky and held back. At the end Dio lost because his left body was weak. Plus jotaro had huge plot armor
Its funny to me that, even after high-balling Jotaro and DIO into a hypothetical "composite" type of an "end all be all" version of themselves, they still come out as a tie in stats and feats. This just shows how well Araki wrote these two characters perfectly, atleast in my opinion.
However, the reason the battle would go in favor of one over the other is not a match of strength, abilities, or potential. (This is spoiler territory for the video so watch the vid first)
But consistently throughout any of DIO's defeats or losses comes with him breaking his power ceiling, testing himself out, and losing all because he got *cocky.*
He, within every single aspect, atom, and fiber of his being, just cannot stop being a cocky ass. It works as a menacing and threatening character, but it's the one thing working entirely against him too. I fully agree with METAs here that DIO would pretty much, in all intents and purposes, lose due to him once again fucking around and finding out.
Star Platinum gets progressively gets stronger during every part, however during each part his durability/stamina decreases. A composite Jotaro would be the same one that could catch MIH and have enough stamina and durability to fight while severely injured, take knives to the body, and just tank hits from the world. I think Jotaro would still be punching holes in Dio but Dio just has more hax, longer time stop, and his vampiric abilities. I do think Jotaro would outsmart Dio multiple times but Dio just wouldn't really die, so while jotaro is durable and has alot of stamina, Dio is just plain almost immortal and the damage would just rack up until he dies. But if its in character, Dio is getting curb stomped by Jotaro.
Star Platinum’s durability didn’t weaken JOJOVELLER ranks his stats the same as Part 3 At most Jotaro’s stamina gets worse due to age
I think out of character it would just go like jotaro finds opening and stops time beats up dio then dio time stops at the end of jotaros and freezes him and shatters him
Star platinum never caught mih 😂
@@randomperson7350 My Hero Academia? Yeah, because it doesn't exist!
@@MazLeBo I meant made in heaven 💀
Ofc since Part 6 Jotaro is a lot more chill and mature, a part of this fight would probably be a bunch of philosophical banter about the indifference of the universe and the indominable human spirit or sumn.
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DIO's left side of his body was stated to be weak. So even when he finally became "complete" after drinking Joseph's blood; that weakness still remained.
Edit:
So someone asked where was this stated: Part 3, Chapter 97, Page 10, Chapter name: Shooting DIO.
Yeah I looked into it but it’s inconsistent. I can’t tell if it was the weakness that got him or jotaro being that guy
@@METAsMETAs Jotaro is definitely *that* guy. He's that guy.
@@METAsMETAs considering specifically the weak half of him exploded I would say it’s probably the weakness but also Jotaro is definitely that guy cause he just is
@@METAsMETAs Jotaro is absolutely that guy, but the left side weakness probably caused specifically how he died
DIO's ankle in particular was what was weak, because Jotaro intentionally broke it after the road roller explosion in order to incapacitate DIO. Jotaro's actual plan was to make pudding of DIO, bit by bit. DIO just made it easier for Jotaro by having The World throw a kick at Jotaro, so Star Platinum just countered it with a punch and hit the weak spot.
What I’m hearing is, DIO would fuck around & Jotaro would gladly help him find out😂
My head cannon is that Jotaro just chose to not use time stop throughout the time gaps. He probably barely ever had to use it to begin with.
a stand user like polnareff trained his Stand for years & enhanced his power through his training. Jotaro trained but probably never had to resort to time stop. So his time stop weakened over the years, using it only for true threats like Kira & Pucci
Like having a gun in your back pocket even though you know you are well off using your fists
Jotaro outright states at the beginning of part 4, during his fight with Josuke, that he haven't used time stop in a long time.
@@MagmaMKII he does, doesn’t he. Thanks for clarifying that for me ⭐️
Another reason may be because he says it takes a lot of his stamina which is why dio could spam it bc vampires have inf stamina
@@sciddles7473 Pretty sure he also states exactly that at some point. As a result Jotaro never uses time stop unless it is absolutely necessary.
😂😂😂 DIO consecutively testing out his new limits and it screws him over every time will never not be funny to me😂😂😂😂😂
I really appreciate for you giving more knowledge to us
I'm gonna be honest, in my personal opinion, if DIO doesn't fuck around and in turn find out, he's stomping. A lot of people forget that the 1st Jotaro Vs. DIO fight, Jotaro wasn't alone, he was getting stomped and would've died if it weren't for Polnareff bailing him out. If you give DIO his peak, he has INSANE regeneration, being able to incredibly easily regenerate from getting completely split in half, having absolutely nuts TS growth, going from 5 seconds to 11 seconds in the span of if I remember correctly 10-15 minutes. Not only that, but DIO by far has one of the highest battle IQs, despite him fucking around and finding out in the P3 fight, if DIO gets his dumbassery towards Jotaro specifically out of the way, it's straight up over for Jotaro.
I loved watching this video. There was so much detail put into this fight, and honestly, I agree with the outcome. I'd love to see a video about who would win in a rematch between Joseph Joestar and Ultimate Kars!
I’ve been waiting on this !
Dio might go more seriously if he has the memories of Part 3 Dio and knows that Jotaro can defeat him, but it's unlikely but imagine this comp Dio if you add in au Diego's Biq he would stomp as Diego au fights Seriously and doesn't mess around.
love your vids bro so happy to be the first one to comment
I love this format, and I’ve thought about this before.
I call them legacy characters (named after legacy Dio from mugen who is basically this very of Dio). I’d love to see a legacy pucci, kira, and giorno. An amazing one would be Joseph. His prime body with max hamon, hermit purple, and close to a century of experience.
I don't really know if this factors in very much, but it is stated during the part 3 fight that The World has a range of 10m, so it technically has a small edge on Star Platinum, but since it's stand v stand, it doesn't really seem that important, since damage to a stand is inflicted back on the user (There are some exceptions, swarm stands mostly)
Also, my theory for why Dio's time stop was improving so quickly over the fight was because using it so much in a life and death situation put massive strain on his body, but because he's a vampire, he could just recover, now with better time stop stamina, whereas Jotaro for some reason just had decent time stop stamina to begin with, but didn't have as much of an increase in length because he was mostly getting used to the sensation, and couldn't just recover stamina like Dio could but likely could have gotten his time stop decently long if he trained in between parts, which he doesn't seem to do between parts 3 and 4 (Given the statement near the beginning when he ran into Koichi and said that he could only stop time for a fraction of a second), potentially training with it between parts 4 and 6, at least to the level where he can keep it up long enough to guarantee a win in most fights
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I mean Jotaro did trick Dio many times in their fight so even with a possible longer time stop; Jotaro would still cause Dio to fall for a trick or likely aim the fight to somewhere that the sun will shine, distracting Dio for that single second and then the fight is over.
Only thing that isn’t mentioned is that because it took dio months to get to five seconds in time stop jotaro actually has much faster growth than dio because he went from knowing nothing about the ability to 5 seconds which took dio MONTHS in like 3 minutes meaning jotaros time stop would grow faster than dio’s would
Except that it's been stated five seconds is the limit for a human to stop time in JoJo. DIO can only stop time for longer because vampires aren't limited by stamina like humans are.
@@jruler93 Hmm so does that mean if, Jotaro know how to use Hamon then he can time stop longer than 5 seconds?
@@christhophlarsson5786 possibly yeah, remember that Joseph needed to use that special breathing mask to learn how to breath properly to enhance his stamina and endurance (they literally climbed an oil covered pillar for an entire day) so yeah if jotaro knew Hamon he would've enhanced his time stop and possibly would've gained hermit purple as a stand too.
@@kingpotato7183 Seems op to me. Well another question I got is, if Jotaro do gain another stand power like hermit purple, is it gonna be like Joseph Hermit purple or Jonathan The Passion? Or perhaps even different version of it?
@@christhophlarsson5786 a different version would be more interesting, but passion and hermit purple doesn't seem that different (idk about the Jorge jostar novel) one just has flowers and doesn't need to break cameras. I can imagine jotaros hermit purple being more violent than Joseph's but he also is mentally resilient so who knows maybe learning Hamon gives him peace and a much softer hermit purple that he uses to only capture people.
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Hemispherectomy is a process wherein half of one's brain is removed, used to treat seizures and, I'm not joking, cases where one side of a person's body is weaker than the other. Since humans can survive with only the left or right halves of their brain, a vampire like DIO being able to survive his brain being cut in half straight down the middle isn't anywhere near as far-fetched as it may at first appear.
I love how DIO is this god like character and then he loses cause he’s to cocky
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FINALLY... still haven't forgiven you for the Clippers thingie in the part 9 video tho
Well I wouldn't argue because of the consistency of DIO testing his limits, but I would say Diego could be a back up to DIO's character. DIO is a character Araki keeps developing and he gets smarter and wiser as he grows. Diego is like a mirror to DIO and he isn't cocky in combat so I'll say that could count.
Maybe the idea of DIO kept evolving with Diego, but they are unequivocally two different characters, that in universe do not affect each other in any way shape or form, therefore, for a power scaling vid, you cannot take elements from both.
@@rmg480 I agree. If this was trully the way we structured the argument of the video we would have to add Jotaro the experiences and abilities of Kira and Kei from part 8 since they are counterparts to him and that would not be ok since they are extremely and wildly different and not from the main timelines universe nor they are from irene-verse that continues the main timeline.
@@tuc-kaankaraayan well I get your points, but those aren't really similar characters to Jotaro (example Kira also mirrors Kira) like how the DIOs are similar. I agree they are different characters but I'm just saying maybe Araki intended Diego to fight in a manner DIO would do. Like if DIO was in Diego's shoes maybe he would have done the same decisions through out the story.
Anyways DIO should have won. There's no way Jotaro would survive a barrage attack from The World.
@@phoenixk9168 except the time where jotaro literally got kicked the shit out of by the world
I like the video, it’s comprehensible and near accurate. Though, I do have some questions/counters:
1. Space Ripper Stingy Eyes. Sure, Jotaro can dodge em, but also there have been instances of The World out maneuvering Star Platinum, and vice versa. I’m not saying Jotaro cannot dodge the beams, but he WILL get hit by them eventually. It can cleanly cut through a person, and I believe can do serious damage to Star Platinum. Also, it shares similar behaviors with Superman’s Heat vision (minus the heat factor and energy shit).
2. Vaporization Freezing Technique (Freezing Touch). This is a mixture between a passive and a manipulated ability DIO has. I believe in Part 1, when Zepelli attacks Dio, he gets frozen, while Dio was paying attention to Johnathan (could be wrong tho). Anyways, the real point is that, if Star Platinum or Jotaro hits Dio or hypothetically touches The World, then he gets frozen right? Is it game over at that point or can it be used as a combo extender? I think it can do serious damage also, and if done correctly, could kill him. I don’t see Jotaro realistically countering this 7/10 times.
3. Personality. Sure, Dio has arrogance, and sure, he died because of it, however, I don’t think that would 100% be his downfall. The only reason why Enraged Jotaro was able to do significant damage to Awakened Dio was because he still had that human side to him, thanks to the weakness of Jonathan’s body. If we’re talking about max power Dio, as in fully vampire, then I don’t think Enraged Jotaro could do equal or, as you said, 2-4x more power. I think Dio’s personality is moreso a handicap than his death.
IDK, I don’t think Jotaro wins, simply because of Dio’s busted abilities, regardless of personality factor, but I digress.
I don't think The World would be able to freeze to the touch since a Stand probably doesn't even have body heat, and Star Platinum probably wouldn't get frozen cuz stand
@@Joker_Zz Hear me out:
William Zeppeli in the Anime and also the manga iirc (episode 3 iirc) mentioned how Vampiric Energy and Hamon Energy are the same type of energy, but they cancel each other out. Reason I mention this, is because in Part 3, Joseph projects his hamon onto Hermit Purple. Now, if Vampirism and Hamon are the same type of energy, as Zepelli stated, then its reasonable to assume that The World can project vampiric powers, thus when Star Platinum touches The World or DIO, freeze touch is valid.
EDIT: To be more specific with the scene, I believe its the scene at the river during Jonathan’s training when Zepelli explains this.
There's also that same logic from the Jojo game that was a 2v2 arena fighter. I forget the name but Dio receives power to where he is now Dio Over Heaven. Jotaro was still his part 3 self and Dio being all powerful, he tried to flex or show off while testing his new abilities
JoJo Eyes of Heaven is the name, and Jotaro also goes Over Heaven
Side note, thank you to whoever chose the music for this vid, the 2000s hip hop from clipse and DOOM and madlib is so nice and fit every part perfectly. Rip DOOM
I'm going to have to disagree simply because with DIO testing his powers, that tends to come when he gets them, they're new, or he's not experienced with them. Like you said, in Part 3 he didn't mess around... until he got amped, a whole new level for him. If DIO starts out with them, starts out at the top of his game with only his Time Stop growing in length, there's nothing new for him to test, and he's more likely to not default to his old ways.
You could argue he might start playing with combo powers.
Like, ice touch in time stop, idk.
Jotaro was the perfect type of fighter to go against Dio, he is a gritty brawler who can outsmart and beat down practically any character in the show. He had no problems with fighting dirty, Jonathan was definitely his foil. I don't think there was a single point in the DIO v Jotaro fight where Jotaro thought he was going to lose, He knew he was faster and strong enough to outstrike DIO to the point that Dio was scared to even get close to Jotaro, at least until he had consumed Josephs blood but even after that he exercised caution and used a road roller. Rage Amped Jotaro is debatable the smartest fighter in the series, and I genuinely see him being in the top 5 strongest characters while like this. Other than Giorno, I don't think any other character could have had a chance to beat DIO in his prime with Joseph's blood, even bringing in characters from part 7 and 8, WoU isn't going to put down DIO before he stops time and kills Tooru, and we already saw Johnny vs Diego, so imagine a much stronger, faster version who can stop time exponentially longer and fly...
Basically, if you can't stop time or cancel it out like GER, you can't contend with a vampire that can spam it. Jotaro had everything he needed to win, same ability, slightly stronger and faster, and unbelievably intelligent.
WoU would find a way to win in my opinion. Calamity is another part of the jjba universe like fate and logic, so something would mess up with the timestop, be it a bystander, vehicle, or dio himself. Funny Valentine as would win if he can get LT off and summon a DIO clone.
@@macnmemes1131 WoU is unbelievably over rated, and it’s not beyond logic, as it follows logic. I don’t buy WoU being able to get past regen or time stop, especially in time to save tooru, it never shows that a calamity could activate during the absence of time. There’s also the fact that it follows intent, and as soon as Dio understands this he can abuse the hell out of it. Tooru is dead the second dio sees him. And love train could win if Valentine plays his cards right, but he never does, in character he fights along the line of love train and peaks out of the barrier to fight. This is terrible when your opponent can stop time and kill you instantly, which is how you have to kill him. So I think dio would take majority over D4C:LT
@@GhettoPeach well, even if Tooru was stupid enough to not use his autonomous Stand, show up and enter DIO's range, it'd still be a draw as DIO will still enter the Flow of Calamity and die right after killing Tooru
@@mattb.7079 except he wouldn’t die, and the second he gets hit by the calamity it would just disappear along with tooru. You forget that the second someone loses the intent to pursue, calamities stop. Dio is not pursuing anyone when tooru is dead.
And that they aren’t always fatal
My only question is that, if Dio starts using longer and longer time stops, and decides not to do all out attacks, can Jotaro quickly counter within a split second, and still have most of his 5 seconds?
Also, while I don't think it can get as high as Dio's, probably not even ever getting to 11 seconds, I'm not entirely convinced Jotaro would be hard capped at 5. I feel like if the fight goes on long enough, he could reach 7. Which Dio could reach 20 something, but still.
5 is the hard cap for humans because any more stresses the heart. Even the Diego Brando who had The World was hard capped at 5 because he was a human. Vampires like DIO could probably reach a minute or even higher since they dont actually need a heart to function and just have far, far more resilience with their regeneration.
@@caesargold3695 OH okay, thanks for clarifying this for me!
@caesargold3695 source?
@@caesargold3695 Question, where is explained that of heart stress? I don't seem to remember it any chapter, sorry in advance
@@caesargold3695 where is it said it is capped at 5 sec for humans ?
hey babe wake up meta uploaded a video
i love the B.I.G. “…sometimes your words just hypnotize me,” reference
DIO: Kills an offguard Jonathan using Space Ripper Stingy Eyes and has his strongest Destructive Capability feat shown by splitting clouds
Meta: SRSE doesn't do much and is a ranged option
True
Dio drinking Joseph’s blood could’ve acted like pre-workout giving him more energy but not increasing his strength
Well time for people to get mad
I saw a Meta Knight at the end, off the top of your mind, what do you think of Kirby characters stats wise?
Thing is, in a fight with two people who can stop time, you really have to get into how conjoined time stops work.
We saw in the series that you can use time stop within another time stop, making both parties move in stopped time until the first person's time stop ends, and then the second person's time stop continues until the duration expires.
We also see Jotaro being able to move once within DIO's time stop to stop his stopped time attacks, but never afterwards when he had already moved once, except for the time where they used their overlapping time stops.
Does this mean that you can only move once within another person's time stop without using your own? Does that mean that Jotaro was using a one second or split second time stop during DIO's time stop to defend himself? Does THIS mean that you can split your time stop limit in small parts within another person's time stop? Or can you only fully activate your time stop continually at a time (meaning no activating and deactivating the ability).
Because if you can activate and deactivate time stop within another person's time stop, then you could just wait for their time stop attack, activate time stop, defend or counter, and deactivate time stop, only depleting a second or a split second of your own time stop while the other person's is continually brining through. In this case, Jotaro might win by limiting himself to counter attack until DIO's time stop expires, and then he can use the rest of his time stop during DIO's cool down to finish him.
If you can only expend the full amount or less once before cool down, then the first person to stop time loses, which would also most likely mean Jotaro would win, since DIO might be more easily taunted into using it, and Jotaro would be more careful knowing this.
Otherwise, they might just use time stop for utility, like moving in the air, dodging projectiles and obstacles and the such, as using it offensively would be rendered useless by each other's time stop.
TL;DR: Time stopping powers are too vague and need too much explaining to give any meaningful scaling. Also, Jotaro stomps on most scenarios (as much as I hate that).
P.S.: A three way brawl with three time stop users, NOW THAT would be interesting.
Judging by the final ts in Part 3, it seems that if Character A (who has a 9 second TS), stops time, Character B (who has a 5 second TS) then gets to move 5 seconds within the A's TS, and after A's TS ends, B's TS will have recharged.
Also, they should theoretically be able to split their TS resistance into several parts as long as they stop moving after starting during the enemy TS.
@@rmg480 Diego vs DIO vs Jotaro would be terrifying
@@Joker_Zz That's the thing, it sure may seem like that, but it is never directly explained or even shown beyond the last timestop, everything else might make a lot of sense, but it doesn't stop being speculative.
Not bashing on your take, I actually think it makes a lot of sense, but the fact that it is never outright explained just makes the discourse that much interesting
W madvillian and MF DOOM songs in the backround💯
one small correction : dio at his peak had 9 sec of ts only and jotaro stopped time at the 9th sec mark, so dio could move for two seconds in jotaro's time stop till the 11th sec.
you know that in order to move in time stop you have to use your time stop, right? they aren't different things and the reason DIO got only 2 seconds is because those were his 2 seconds left from his 11 seconds
Do Jotaro vs Pucci MiH 1v1. It would be a rly interesting what if.
Cuz its so INSANE INFORMATION AF
The ice powers make sense since it is similar to stopping time. Removing movement from something freezes it.
just side note, jotaro and dio can get atleast lowballed to multi-continent via statements from white album who said he could freeze the seas and jojoveller, where star platinum is described as the STRONGEST stand (context difference between GER), therefore making jotaro atleast multi-continent
I do also have a question on my mind: if Jotaro were to go up against his OVA version, which would win?
In this rematch if dio had the memory of the first fight between them, I'd say dio would win only because he'd be less cocky and likely to fuck up. You said it best at the end of the video, but I still wanna say that dio could win quite easily actually, if he just took jotaro seriously and didn't fuck around to find out. But dio being dio, will get cocky somewhere. There's just a chance that if dio in this rematch had the memory of the first fight, he'd learn from his mistakes and not repeat them.
DIO and jotaro are like 2 sides of videogames, Flexes the win before it’s over and flexes the win after it’s over
We need a series portraying Jotaro and Polnareff's adventures, and Jotaro as a stand hunter with the speedwagon foundation.
thank you
got a damn good reason why he can stop time in the illusion world PS made.. He gave them all their abilities without altering them in any way to make them stay in there longer by making them think its real by making them able to use their abilities and become confident
The body manipulation one is a bit easier to explain than you think. DIO, as a vampire, can make his body one with any living thing he impales. This is how vampires drain blood in JoJo.
He actually makes extensive use of this in part 3. The flesh buds, regenerating himself, ect.
Also, DIO was still weak in part 3, which was why he needed more Jostar blood. He might not have even been able to use his Icey touch at all because of this. He only had his full vampire powers back for. . .what. . .4 minutes before dieing? During that time his hubris and obsession with learning his stand's time stop limit cost him his life. There were MANY times he could have instantly won and just didn't for this reason alone.
Also I really gotta disagree that Jotaro uses his time stop smarter just because he had more good results with it, DIO was incredibly smart with his time stop as well it’s just that Jotaro being able to move in time stop limited his options much more. Everytime Jotaro uses time stop meanwhile is against someone with no counter to it, except for Made in Heaven, which as you said, resulted in Jotaro losing. So it’s not that Jotaro is a better time stop user it’s just that both couldn’t get around a counter to their time stop.
As for the head thing I’m pretty sure they mean the brain instead of the actual entire head as when DIO was stabbed by polnareff he said right after “If you had just been a second earlier you could’ve slashed that sword around and destroyed my brain” or something like that so turn that to mush and hey free win 👍
don't forget that green lipstick power up
Made in heaven’s shenanigans did finally fulfill oingo boingo’s prediction of Jotaro’s death.
Theres also another bit where DIO is playing things too cautiously too… he knows that the Joestars are very cunning and resilent, so he doesnt want to make the same mistakes he did last time. It was both his arrogance and his cautious nature that cost him IMO
respect for the MF DOOM in the background 👊👊
2:13 It’s was actually explained in the manga that the reason why Dio wasn’t able to use his other vampiric power,
was do of Jonathan body preventing him to use them, and also why use freezing power when you have *THE WORLD*
I may have missed it in the video, but what about 'OVERHEAVEN: DIO'?
Non canon
Dio healed puccis foot using his vampire blood similar to how he revived vanilla ice, however he didnt use enough to turn him into a vampire
you forgot jotaro can move in dios timestop, and he also mentions that if he had more practice with moving in timestop, he could move longer
Jotaro even became a legend being called "The Invincible Stand User, Jotaro Kujo."
The other possible reality is that the Composite Dio knows that he lost to Jotaro already,so instead of testing himself again he would just destroy Jotaro,if he just decides to not test himself this time(like what he planned to do)and if there's no way for him to get stronger,I'd say Dio is the more likely winner,respect your opinion tho
When time is stopped there is only dio
given one of the translations of what a stand is, a stand landing a killing blow would be like using hamon
Already know that starfinger is going to carry
I kinda agree but i don’t see how jotaro beats dios regeneration it’s kinda broken, i feel like he gets split in half he’d just put himself back together like before
Great video, glad I came across this channel. One important thing that no one completely understood is that both Dio and Straizo had their heads destroyed and it didn't kill them. Dio was even burned to ashes and still survived. This would explain why Joseph and Jotaro left Dio's body in the sun to disintegrate completely. In time, it would probably be renewed again, but maybe without The World. We don't know exactly, it's quite a mystery but - Dio being cut in half and Straizo being shot by a Tommy gun or similar cases show that it's unsolved 😕
Love the fact that joeseph joestar accidentally came across the strongest vampire at that time just one the street.
And also had a machine gun with him?
What’s really confusing is that during made in heven he said his time stop was shortened and he can’t do it with just 5 seconds so he must have a longer time stop then 5 seconds
This is why I like Diego more. DIO fucks around too much while Diego just gets to the point.
Do funny valentine vs Johnny rematch
Hmm, idk. What could Jotaro do if he was frozen solid? If SP break him free, his body shatters. But if Jotaro knows about these older vampire abilities, he would probably have a counter
Can you do end of part 5 but with out requiem arrow
What I would want to see happening is.. ZA WARUDO! From Dio, and after Jotaro sees his Time Stop is over, Jotaro says "Star Platinum! ZA WARUDO!!", Dio looking so damn surprised, and then Jotaro ORAORAing him while time is stopped, and then Dio getting up, realizing they have the same exact Stand.
The one thing I'd want to see in a rematch regardless of who wins.
Dio still had the ripper eyes when he transferred his head to Johnathan body. But the reason he stop using his vampiric powers because he saw the World as the pinnacle of all things and no use for it.
I thought Jonathan's body with hamon nullified it
i dont think it was shown but cant stand users and stands fight at same time?
like imagine if Dio and the world would attack at same time and since vampires have superhuman strenght and speed that would give him decent advantage
or something like Dio throwing knifes while star platinum and the world figthing?
I personally Thought at first DIO. Here's My reasoning
If we're saying that He has Space Ripper Beams And 11 seconds of time stop It would make sense all he'd need to do is Bait Jotaro to use his 5 seconds of stopped time. Then whatever time left he'd Ripper Eyes Jotaro like he did Jonathan. But As you said he'd try to test his abilities, Esp if he gains MORE time stop. I'd Agree Jotaro would make sense.
However I do believe Jotaro will have to use Time Stop a lot During the fight in order to make sure he can survive DIO's. So he'd probably get enough practice to bump HIS time stop up to around 6-7 hell maybe even 9 seconds even! Making the fight more even and consistent.
The fact that everyone is subsiding the fact that IN THE ANIME In DUB AND SUB AND IN THE CLOSED CAPTIONS Jotaro say specifically that time HAS BEEN STOPPED for FIVE SECONDS and then after a bit after that says that TIME WILL RESUME IN THREE SECONDS meaning his time stop in part six is at least EIGHT SECONDS
Jotaro lets DIO time stop, uses his own time stop and fucking runs until the sun comes up lmao. I just simply dont know what would be able to do physically other than being the MC so, only chance he got is hamon or the sun
THANK GOD YESS
I honestly hope some fanmade animation stems from this lmao.
Kira was just pointing out that he stopped time he never once even came close to saying that Jotaro was slowing time with his punches. That was your headcanon that you presented as fact
You cant use vampiric freezing through stands due to them not having moisture
Dio definitely ditched laser eyes like it was outdated 💀
You know what my dumbest theory about jotaro is
Star platinums main ability isn't only just time stopping it's copying the ability of opponents like sharingan like remember when jotaro said star platinum has really have accuracy and precision like how every sharingan user has when they activate it and how kakashi with sharingan copy any ninjutsu with his precision with sharingan and that's how jotaro managed to copy the world's time stop ability and how Dio was flying cause he's vampire we haven't seen any other stand user flying without their stand throwing or lifting them in air or using some ability but jotaro was able to fly with matching his speed of flying but he's only human right
Also like how kakyoin's stand is able extend his body parts like rubber jotaro used that thing with his fight with that Gorilla with ship stand jotaro used star finger that caused his 2 fingers to get really long and attack enemy
The reason the world had a bigger timestop is because dio had vampire and vampire shattered his limits so he was able to go higher
Jotaro gonna inject plot armor in his blood before the fight
If star platinum and the world are similar stands, that means that the world has *THE FINGER* so dio wins
Dio’s character is why Pucci was able to outsmart Jotaro twice. He knew what Dio did wrong and played into Jotaro wanting to protect his daughter. Not factoring in fate, Dio cannot win against Jotaro because their stand abilities are the same but one of them knows when to use them wisely. Made in Heaven on the other hand is a hard counter to Star Platinum. It became faster than anything else and limited how long time stop lasts. Pucci also used his speed with knives in the opposite way Jotaro was faced in while he was in time stop. Since inanimate things were also moving at insane speeds those knives would have moved faster too. It took a kid not bound to the Joestar bloodline to defeat him. Even if you count Eyes of Heaven Dio, based on how he acted, his universe’s stardust crusaders most likely died probably before they could figure out how The World’s ability worked. In that game they bring up the same “it’s the same type of stand as Star Platinum” element again and that Dio was surprised it was which to me implied he never fought his Jotaro that figured out he could stop time as well and died whether it happened in the streets or while they were in the mansion. I don’t think his regeneration matters which Dio it is, if his stand is destroyed, Dio dies due to the standard rules to how most stands worked in part 3.
DIO OVER HEAVEN AND TWOH: DENIED