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How to carry low elo teammates when they disconnect, int, feed, 4v5, smurf game with a challenger player showing how to carry the worst teammates possible in low elo with smart macro decision making and knowing when to take fights.
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Lmao when he said having a yasuo on your team is inherently a bad thing
because its an education channel. this is facts.
@@asspounderify fuck you both xD
its always bad to have a yasou in the team
fax
But Yasuo is a very strong champion with a lot of damage and utility 🤔
each time he stops moving i only assume hes typing in chat lol
We all know he's doing that. Although, he could be shot calling his team or flaming them, we'll never know.
@@eduardoledesma5568 one of the greatest mysteries of all time
he is checking how his team is doing
@@EuLucio aaaaah ok inwas wondering why he said that later in the VID
@@EuLucio Yeah, he needs to know if the enemy team are literally about to end the game so he can tp and stop them
I'm really curious where you from, because in euw that jhin would just afk after that red ahah
Looks like Na
100%
In BR they would use their ss and suicide 3 or 4 times mid then afk
So true ahaha
@@fetilttttttttttttttt insta flash AHSUAHSH
the red steal explanation is my favorite part of the video
Jihn was the one trying to steal it
Ofc it makes sense. But hey, if you do this as a jungler these motherfuckers will straight up int you XD
Whenever I am playing jungle I give buffs only to people who are fed or make smart decisions
I wanna know what he said to him after that lmao
This video is so good on a macro level, that decision making is 🤯
Its bomb.com like donky kong!
They game knowledge tho. Knowing everyones limits exactly.
My mid laner : Watches this video , proceeds to take red buff from the adc who's doing slightly worse, forgets about all the other tips from this video :V
My mid laner: Is the yasuo who is 0/10 and takes my red buff to only give it away like it was rp
I did this one time, and my adc went afk... :/
Him: A support that puts 11 total wards
Gold: that sounds pretty good
Silver: wait your support builds support item?
Bronze: wait you use the trinkets?
Iron: mid or feed
Thats not how it goes in brobze and silver. People are actually pretty good but lose due to other things
@@rawand6344 Very true. Game knowledge hold back most very low elo players, where as most high elo players are only at their elo due to game knowledge. Half of them suck mechanically, and the other half are meh. Spend 2 months training a bronze one trick from any region, and he could probably go pro for a single split.
@@silverpact1008 im stuck in silver 4 but I never lose lane (top lane garen/jax/renekton/nasus) even vs ranged enemys, I know how to counter build, know jgl timers en watched countless videos. Yet im stuck in silver 4. Im going back to basics and just focus on cs more even tho as renekton i always hit 80 cs by 10 min. It just gets way lower at the 20 min mark. Anyway i honestly dont know what to do cus ive faced alot of opponents in top lane. Such as akali/vladimir/kled/teemo/darius who were all platinum (up to plat 2 never higher) even tho it was draft i still won and they didnt believe in im silver. As soon as teamfighting starts i feel like i should be making othet decisions. Such as when to help/when to splitpush. Im a splitpusher by heart
@@rawand6344 if you're a split pusher at heart play trynd or fiora and build sanguine blade and destroy your lane turrets
@@rawand6344 You have fallen victim to what one of my accounts has: Split mmr. The MMR you have in league's database is weird. You have an MMR that says "This is how well you perform", and that's how they choose enemies. Enemies who perform at around your same ability. That is not how they pick allies. They pick allies based off of your win percentages, and general "Placed" mmr. Where the numbers say you are, not where you're actually performing to the standard of.
Literally every game that you do well in, but lose, ensures your teams will be worse and your enemies will be better moving forward.
Edit: And while you may be able to handle those better enemies. Can your teams? Enemies are based off the best player in the team's lobby. If you're the best...can your teammates handle 1-3 enemy laners as good as you?
so many of my games look like this with the distinction that I didn't win lane lol
adamdecoder1 u just get tilted right away and start throwing like rest of ur team lol
I’d be challenger by now if only I didn’t tilt and start feeding every game... =/
My teammates are always so bad
@@erronhoward6629 not always its more like the enemy laner is mostly the same skill as i am and mostly we go even in lane and he ofc gets the better bot lane
@@Bergyn obviously, If you are Just even eith your laner you are Not going to climb and it comes down to a coinflip who has the better Players in their Team , you Need to be better than your opponents to win more Games than you loose ( to climb )
For me it's usually the entire team tilting and flaming
Muting solves half of it but if i mute pings I lose communication completely ..
"There I was, a helpless Challenger player smurfing in Platinum."
Yeah no shit hes challanger, but the video is about what kind of desicions he makes to win the game. Thats what makes him chall and you plat my friend.
@@BluebellWins BLITZCRANK. IT'S HUMOR
you mean A helpless-fed challenger player
@@wyoeagle like this is good and all but he shit stomped them early game to give him enough gold to snowball like that
@@shaunakkulkarni4679 even plats can stop solo lane in every single game, but whats the point if u dont know how to use that lead u got, u Will simply end up by wasting lead and losinh game
1:35 There's some hard diana flame we're missing there
maybe he cheers up his teammates
he's not typing.. he is just not pushing because he doesn't want to over extend and get caught.
@@waverip3rs we know. But armadillos comment is way funnier. Thanks captain obv
@@davidkim9898 no its not... And his names not even armadillo but whatever pff
@@waverip3rs its mcbaze so of course he was flaming xD
When your bot is so noob that their deaths do not count anymore
(Jhin 0/7 , Swain 0/5, Enemy team 11 kills)
one of them probably got executed during a failed early dive attempt or something
@@phoenix402 yeah but dont you think that maybe it was a joke?
@The man in the mask check what results in a death but not a kill again
0/10
he also mentions he is 7-0 but his team has 10 kills. he said his top went even, so therefore toplaner is 3-0 but "went even"?
@@ImSoThresh even doesn't necessarily have to be kills. Gold and xp is all that matters in a game, not kda
this guy, challenger: low elo=plat
me, iron 3: low elo=iron 4
i saw iron 1 players and can tell that youre playing in hell
Watch some carry style videos and get good mechanics on 1 champion-------> Instantly climb to gold.-
More people are in diamond than in iron. let that sink in
" Iron: 1.7%
Bronze: 13%
Silver: 31%
Gold: 33%
Platinum: 15%
Diamond: 3.6%
Master: 0.07%
GrandMaster: 0.03%"
seeing people that bad playing is a curse, i win in silver because i started the game but seeing bad people is always hurting
@@Schoko4craft where did you get that stat. On op.gg plat I is top 2%
“jhin finally did something useful”
lmao that passive aggressiveness
man imagine anyone in Bronze using any summoner other than Clarity to help an ally
1:35 no capp he stood still to flame the "0-7" jihn back xDDDDDD
Gg ez report Diana afk farming never help Yasuo solo carry
thats what would happen if id do this
Anyone who GG ez is ass at this games and at life
Always like this
Step 1: be a fed god split pusher/roaming killer
Step 2: be a god in macro
Step 3: ???
Step 4: profit
And only then will you *have a shot* at carrying.
@@Tomasin19 you know.. until your team completely ignores your pings to back the fuck up and just decide to run in anyways and die.
5:43
The moment scryers orb plant was triggered, you were dead
-This post was made by the B2 player gang
Kinda weird he didn't acknowledge that as a mistake!
From my experience my team would've died defending the mid inhib and would've been pinging me to recall when they died under turret
Inting Sion teaches you Objectives > Kills xd
Ok weeb
@@YoungAsznee Bravo, you just insulted a person. Here is the prize for the winner of the 2019's best douchebag.
@@YoungAsznee Ok boomer
@@user-nf2xx8kt1h 300 IQ usage of that meme
@@Hadesniisama k
i love how he's explaining how he's doing in a very salty manner xD "My team finally came to me after they farmed mid"
videos like this are what i am looking for! game play analysis from a high level player delivered short and sweet (not like the 30+ minutes analyses out there). good job!
Its amazing how after all these years of playing I can still learn so much more about the game. It's incredible how small my horizon is compared to the thought process you walk us through here. I've been in plat for months now and try to aim for diamond.
Thanks for this video. It helped alot! :)
the thing is: in low elo, they’ll send 5 men on a splitpushing 4/3 Shen
WHEN U HAVE A YASUO IN YOUR TEAM! XD
i feel u...
lol I ban yasuo so fast in rank matches my cancerous teammates quits
I feel targeted as a yasuo one trick in plat xD.
@@alexanderfam9900 Don't be! We all love you! Keep being you!
@@Drago77 no we dont
I love Yasuos when they're in the enemy team.
Had a game yesterday where the dude gave up, sold all his items and sat in a bush, my team just ff'd. But I checked his history, 2 games previous he ended 0/17/0 with no items, and his team won. How is that for carrying an ass wipe from hell.
won a ranked game in s7 with a 0/37 blitz, at full build noone was fed anymore so basically 4v5 by stalling.
its called inting, the dude is worth 50 gold for every kill and he just gives enemies bounties his team gets them and win
@@steviejrr wait thats actualy 200 iq
Even if you win lane, that can change really quickly cause other lanes will view you as a potential threat and gank you every 2minutes
2 minutes is long, probably every minute at least.
That’s the best case scenario if you ward and play safe with the lead you’ll absorb pressure for your team.
@@Jay-st8jf it doesnt matter how you ward if they can go all in from distance + cc. Also it doesnt matter if you survive multiple ganks from guys with your same ability level. other lanes will keep feding anyways
@@sadadaww928 That's just not true, f.e. all of the pressure you absorb is time where your team can farm, push or ward in peace, that doesn't mean they'll win the next duel, but it is an advantage for your team generated solely by you winning lane. It's not about winning an individual game, it's about raising your overall win percentage by employing certain strategies like this. And if you ever played toplane, especially with a split push style, you'd know how effective this can be. High level players who focus on split pushing often have an unusually low KDA.
Gold delivery
Step 1: Be a smurf.
Step 2: Profit
Hey guys its Mcbaze, hope you enjoy the video! I also stream at twitch.tv/mcbaze
You got unbelievably lucky 2 times but well played. I guess you can only win these kind of games with a bit of luck
I guess that you can only win these kind of games with great decision making, 10 fingers and not relying on "luck".
@@Bezmenov93 Is that what led to him living at 9:36? lol
@@sleepytattoos there is a small luck factor in everything in life yes. But this was 99%skill 1% luck. Ive been master for a couple seasons now. This game is hard sometimes. And yes there is luck but if you're a knowledgeable macro player you will win *more* not always
But more. Whichbis the goal. Win more than lose = big ranks. The skill comes as you learn stuff. I still learn shit all the time. Im far from a perfect player
"When you're fed, you can easily dive tower."
Me, an Anivia main: *Doubt*
anivia main = shit wave control and fundamentals. It's a good way to not learn the game.
@@Bezmenov93 Insulting, but you have the right to your own opinion.
@@Bezmenov93 what do you main?
I especially appreciated you explaining your thought process with when/where the enemy showed while you were splitting. Lower level players like me just haven't learned what to do later in the game when the map is so open like this.
Just won a 4v5 yestarday doing something similar to this. I was playing bot lane as a support as zyra with a Caitlyn being the adc of our team. We were actually doing pretty well and it seemed all the lanes of my team were winning but 10 minutes into the game our top laner disconnected and never came back.
My team tried to surrender multiple times and at the beginning I was trying to motivate them telling them that if we hold long enough he might reconnect and we could come back as we were winning when it was a 5v5. Anyway the thing is before lane phase ended me and Caitlyn were fed, specially Caitlyn we were harrassing and killing bot lane so much Caitlyn was doubling the cs of enemy adc and they weren't even getting exp as the moment they got close to minions we would murder them, so they were also 2 levels behind.
I was playing solo but somehow the 4 players in our team were playing smart and patient so we would try to defend and push sidelanes when it was safe. We also gave up our mid tower and inhib at one point. As the game was progressing me and Caitlyn were scaling a lot better than enemy team, I could blow anyone on enemy team if I landed my combo and Caitlyn was a fucking beast xD. It also helped us that our other teammates were a junlge Rammus and mid Malphite so they were quite tanky and doing a lot of peel and absorbing a lot of damage. So as the game extended Caitlyn was just deleting towers and champions with ease and you could tell enemy team had their spirit crushed and were just inting towards the end.
P.S. Forgot to mention I was also focusing on warding objectives when I had the chance but the whole team was also buying pinks and helping with vision. Despite being one man down we managed most of the dragons and we got 2 barons while the enemy got none.
Lol "rage splitting" - I've been there a few times
I NEEDED THIS SO BAD!
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
My low Elo version of this game was Top d/c and all 4 of us played carefully without tilting each other but instead encouraged each other saying it's winnable. But being the low elo we are, we won through NARAM lol
Btw at 5:25 u can see someone (prob ez) pop the scryers bloom seeing if the person who took red was running
"Jhin is 0-7
Swain is 0-5"
The kill score is 10-11.
Even Skill Capped Challenger exaggerates how much their bot is inting.
Maybe one of them executed
Jhin ran it down mid, when no one was there to claim the kill.
Excuse me, 0/5 is the worst botlane score you can think of?
ikr
After beeing 0 5, the value of killing such a player is so low, that the gold they get, is practically nonexistant. So even if they keep feeding, they just waste time and tempo. Not mentioning the potential Shutdown, they gather up.
Haha 😂 right! Let’s be realistic here. Usually see a combined score of 3/21/0 bot lane feed.
@@Spr7ritus and then boom, a lucky(not for your team) gank gets them 1 kill, and up their gold goes. From 0/5 to 1/8 still giving gold xD
I run into this so often and throw games so often because I don't do this. I get fed and throw my games so often because I get caught in the jg or make an incredibly stupid decision to 1v5 in a 1v9 game. This is just what I needed, thanks McBaze
So to 1v9, be a smurf. Got it!
@Glowix Someone's missing the joke.
@Glowix I mean you have to win lane with a 7/0 type of lead
I agree. Only challenger players can use their brains. The rest of us do t unlock brain until high diamond.
@Glowixand the reason why he played so unbeliavably well with perfect macro was because he is a smurf. Turn the brain on, it's currently dark lmao
@@ReivasMC No, not because he's a smurf. Fuck man.
Faker’s english is pretty good 😉
xD
Faker cannot do what is showed in this video
And how can you do this as a control mage? Like Annie/Neeko/etc?
You don't, I assume you try to hold mid wave but not push it out. I've seen players hold waves at T2's on anivia, but never while they are too far from the team. Control mages excel at teamfighting, not splitting.
Very fresh gameplay. You didn't panic once and was so low so many times
This video really helped me mantain the mindset to win. Even when my teammates feed, i know it's winnable.
Another crappy teammate example, the worst I think I've had: Having an adc who has a total of 17 cs at 20 minutes into the game
Not even worthy of Iron
He should start over again
Should switch to support
@@galeofdusk The fuck is this supposed to mean lol
As if you could roam so much to prevent the fed enemy adc to farm
And what if he's a toplaner?
@@andreazhab ive had a game where ive been vs thresh/cait as a jhin and my support being a sona decided to int three times in the first 5 minutes, then leave lane... permanently. farming under turret without items as jhin is bad enough at the best of times, but when you are permanently being zoned/freezed by a potential thresh hook with little to no vision save your own, its bad times (although i still farmed more than that lol - i had about 80cs after 17-18 minutes, but thats still VERY low cs (even though i went 2-1 until about 14 minutes in when i got 4 man ganked between turrets). by contrast the best i ever punished an opponent was just after the kench nerf (as kench), playing vs a mordekaiser top. he had 86cs in a 39 minute game and went 1-8 (only kill was on our adc in a TF we aced)
Yeah, as a support main this really doesn't help me at all.
then you need another video or: dont play supp :)
beqte ^ this. I switched from supp to jg and went from silver II to gold III in like 2 weeks.
@@strongmanlin cool to hear!
Tell your ADC to play really safe and play Immobile Champions soo he won't get cocky and just farm and be afraid of anything that moves if he has only 2 items, soo what you do is Protect your ADC at all cost then Roam if he is at base
Use Senna while still OP, I got to masters using her.
I think the most surprising thing in this video is how the enemy team didnt ace your team in a 5v3 even under tower thats just baffling
Jhin healing you was the ultimate redemption arc
Teammates < Objectives
7+5=11
I just finally learned enough basic mechanics to consistantly get a lead in my bronze games. I really appreciate these videos because they're helping me carry my games out at the end and I actually just won 7 in a row and got promoted last night!
This guy is the best commentator on skillcaped
"When you have a yasuo on your team"
Bruh I feel you
who doesnt? lmfao
I don't say I could ever carry like this, but c'mon, we can try and learn from it even if we fail.
Ok I saw the video and I totally agree with everything you said. I've been playing adc for years by now and I could barely hit diamond back on my days . My only problem is the support tho , I keep getting an afk (in lane) supp every single game and as an adc I've understood that is a role of +90% team influence . How do you win these kind of games !? I would really appreciate if you responded on this comment.
"This game is over if I die one time." - A thought process I need to get better at.
“What if your team have a Yasuo?”
Vietnamese: did u say something about our TRADITION?
1:34 more like go to flame jhin lmaoo
Actually a really good video. All the other videos with titles like this are just like an 0/3 "inting" bot lane.
Dude this is a nice match.When I play I get 10 v 35 (gold) and some times I have like 8/2
I would like to know how to apply this concept on a control mage.. you cant split or do any of this really
Mimiklive good positioning and teamfighting is how you make control mages shine. farm every gold resource on the map where you have vision, try to get picks before teamfights and/or burst down the frontline before teamfights so they can’t engage without dying. this way even if you die in said teamfight, you leave the easy part to your teammates.
That’s why it’s assassin and bruiser meta. They can split and one shot towers and kill most anyone in a second
Try to get picks with your superior range,cc and burst.
@@Entegas dude… bruisers can oneshot towers and kill anyone in a second? What game are you playing? cause it's not league for sure I can tell you that.
I stopped playing bruisers precisely because they are shit.
ReivasMC maybe you’re the bad one. It’s bruiser meta, has been since 8.11
I see no inting on blue side though, but overall it's a good swing that you'd feel good about winning and horrible if you were on the losing end.
Yeah, the grass is always green on the other side.
Why do you people always have to bring up the "muh team"?
I really needed this guide after all my those games where my teammate either disconnects or feed . I'm still kind of a new player and I have been practicing Diana lately, but it seems every time I play her my teammates just run it down mid even though I won my lane already.
Thank you! I learned a similar way to do this from a lot of your videos, but never had it in one spot.
Im gonna take this guide to the grave
Lmao 0/12 Yassuo spamming mastery, report jg would be his answer
Yo, this is amazing. Quite masterfully handled in other words, but you have to keep in mind that we are sometimes facing these nasty scenarios in our divisions, not smurfing in 4 divisions lower.
Omg I finally got to see a comeback game that is routinely given to me. BOT LANE FEED. Thank you for this video, you have completely changed my mindset and will implement these changes.
Skill Capped: Jhin is 0/7 and Swain is 0/5
Scoreboard: 10-11.
Even if Yasuo has 0 deaths at 14 minutes, which let's be honest, is impossible, someone in bot lane got executed atleast one.
On 5 out of 10 games I do on Yasuo, I get to 14 mins without deaths. So… no. Yasuo is more about not dying than going aggro all the time, he scales well so there's no need to risk and die when you are not confident you will be able to execute.
My hobby is reading nicks of your teamates and enemies
You were spotted by the vision plant before you face checked your blue and got caught. Should have assumed they were there. Also, earlier when you went bot and tried to cheese kennen, the dragon was spawning soon so you could assume they were going bot, top lane would have been a better choice at this point. I've learned all this from watching your videos, they have been really helpful!
Exactly what I needed to hear! This happens almost every game. Thank you!
show me this strat vs 10 : 0 master yi , or yas who is oneshooting the whole team
It still works
@@danielwise9224 nope sure doesn't.
Cant wait till my gold teammates try this and actually just afk split push 😂
Rather have them afk split push than dissconnect. Evetually they wont ne woth gold and he can be bait
"when you have a yasuo on your team" LOL the yasuo jokes on this channel are too good
I climbed from bronze 4 to silver 1 in few days after doing this: play aram until you find a champion you have fun and do area damage, example: rumble, amumu, miss fortune, annie. Become one trick. Just play the same champion. Make sure you know how to cs and watch LS coaching videos to learn how to play during lane phase. Buy wards. Learn the best moments to use your R. Be positive and disable chat and pings. Save your ult for baron or dragons. Learn how to freeze to be able to achieve the 100cs/min. Learn when to cs and when to roam, yes you can do both.
0:16
When you have yasuo bot lane that feeds then d/c's and support gives you no vision
Wow, good job on repeating what you heard dude
He said "or". GJ not know how to read or listen.
@@asspounderify XD your comment is still about saying "ahahaha you said that i agree"
And i can't bear those anymore
Sorry i had to let my anger out on you particularly tho
Hmm so if i want to win i just gotta survive with 5 hp a couple of times and we gucci
This Is a really good guide to macro play, the split top while they took your inhib was nice.
However I would point out that you survived with 10hp in 2 different fights, if this goes a hair differently then you lose the game, on top of that the likelihood of me being 7 kills up on 15 mins is pretty low - I am a plat level player and playing against people at the same level as myself, when I win lane were talking 2/0 on 15 mins or a CS advantage. Still I appreciate the tips and will try to recreate
I need this type of decision making.
how ur botlane is 0 /12 when the enemys have only 11 kills?
maybe execution
Probably tower.
jhin 0/7, swain 0/5 when they have only 11kills
That's how it goes 😂😂😂
maybe execution
Good job bro
I am still learning and thank you for this video❤🤩
I have to add that while split trading you should run behind enemy tower to clear the next wave so your next wave don't get distracted by it. Like in 7:00.
This mostly applies when you got good wave clear and can walk back to the tower just as your new wave walks in.
It's impossible to carry if team don't wanna win...
Why did this come out just after the end of season 9?
waturrmelaounn Because it teaches the logic behind excellent decision making which does not change with time.
there are videos always about split pushing and such you just dont understand the concept
hmm but what about if you replace your diana with a control mage (ori, xerath, syndra, viktor etc)? Now you can't safely split push like you said so you need to stay mostly in mid, but your team is also mid leaching xp and taking cs. Are those games mostly unwinnable?
Well that's really interesting ! But does it work for ADC's or Tanks ?
I mean do I have to play like this if I'm adc and fed, or it's better to trust on my feeding teamates for some peel and easy kills ?
Well all of this worked mostly because of mechanical gap between you and the enemy team. So that video perfectly showed that unless you are smurfing you can't really win a game like that.
Great vid. Literally happens to me where ill have 53k damage and lose because my top is 0/10 before 10 minutes. Definitely gonna apply these tips. Im stuck in Silver cause of these teammates
i am a gold 2 Ashe otp and I have done this many times when I have teammates of ironworthy or have a 4v5. btw i won more 4v5 matches than lost this year. Still an amazing guide and I am surprised not many know these tips. İ have to use splitpush Ashe technically Everytime when I am fed or when my team is Aram in mid. it's hard to explain my style in comments but I am glad that more people will know this stuff 😁
But what if it was a control mage and u have to group with your feeding team vs the fed enemy team ..
or u'r a late game champ and u'r not as fed and snowbally like Diana ? ...
what's the game plan other than side lanning ?
or if u gonna still be on the side lane but the one matching u is stronger and u can't kill him due to him being stronger and can kill u or being a tank ! .. what to do then ?
Pretty cool stuff. I usually play stuff like velkoz, pyke, katarina, fizz mid and i should probably start playing diana to really get those split pushes going. No clue what's strong in the pre season though as u.gg is still not updated.
I see how this works on an Assassin Style mid laner, but how do I do this as an adc? Its really hard for me to splitpush alone since almost everybody can easily 1v1 me when im alone
Try doing this with post-rework Diana.
Can you make similar guide to ADC. I have many situations when i'm fed as adc but on opposite team they have zed or garen 7 0. You can't split. You can only stay and clear mid and hope when they dove they misplay and you can kill them. Is there other strategies?
Really fantastic video. Thanks man
Make this video your religion, eat it daily, every breakfast, every lunch, every dinner, do it until you are able of fucking reciting it word by word to yourself.
I main support, and if you seriously think there's nothing to learn out of this video because it's not your role/not your champion/teamup/whatever, honestly, you deserve to be at the rank you are at.
Because this is absolute gold.
It’s so weird seeing old Diana in videos. Especially since I’m a Diana main.
one thing i want to point out which he used but didn't point out is standing... He said he was doing it to check on his teammates right? But look at every place where he stops... Most of the time(with few exceptions) he is lil farther from enemy minions... That way enemy team can't see you from vision minions provide from pushing and they can assume you just backed or stopped the splitpush...