I am an ADC player who will never play top lane in ranked, but I will use this knowledge for when I play norms with Cho'gath and Ornn because I just bought their cute April Fools skins. So thank you.
One is referencing the other. You either get a towerdive going off of a cheater recall and subsequent traves, or you use the minion advantage during bounce back to trade in your favor, potentially setting up a tower dive IF the enemy is on low enough health.
the fact that i don't suck, knowing damn well i either win it or be in a stalemate tells me i need to watch this video, because my stats might say i don't suck at top, as far i see, having an illaoi on top is just straight up insta quit for me, so i decided that even if i go top as nasus, i rather deal with jax or darius than illaoi after watching the video, yeah i suck
8:45 the only reason he didn't lose much farm here is because he ulted back to the lane LOL. Without TP, most champs would have lost quite a bit if they recalled there before the canon wave, no?
Yeah, it is so easy after level 6 to push a wave back, I do this many times, push a big wave, recall, by the time I come back, I have lost the entire wave, so technically the enemy gets ahead of you unless you have TP or Sion ult.
That's why tp is importance, especially early game since lose 1 wave could mean a lot so if you were in a bad position and need a reset, or get gank and now facing the pressure of the enemies crash into your towner and lose your xp and gold, so tp come in to help you navigate that bad situation, Sion R is just a huge replacement for tp so you can switch tp to something else like ghost + flash, or flash + ignite, etc.... and also his passive help with setup wave, crashing wave and so on, that's why Baus abused those thing so effectively, but it's does not make Sion op, it's just make up for what he lack in mobility and so on. What Im saying is that, every toplaners can apply this strat as long as they bring tp with them, it's only rotten range toplaner's brain with flash + ghost trying to cheese will get punish for it in longer run
Good catch. That's honestly our bad for using Sion as an example, but I promise you that in the majority of situations you can get back to lane in time to pick up the wave. Sometimes you're a bit late and lose a few and sometimes if you recall really late you'll lose the whole wave and have to use Sion ult or teleport. The way you can tell how much time you have is by looking at your next incoming wave, the further away the more time you'll have since it mirrors where the enemy's next wave is too.
It’s champion dependent. Higher wave clear champs especially garen make it very difficult to get a bounce back. You have to pretty much do a proxy wave clear and back asap so they dont dont end up pushing their wave under your turret before you get back to lane
I understand now why ranged top lane is so hated now. They can basically skip this turn based slow push cycle and harass you or farm with smaller risk from minions or trading with the other champ.
wow yo this is the best wave management video ive watched, ive spent days trying to figure this out and i finally got the idea of it, thank you so much 🙏🏽
I've seen this 7 months ago, and only now understand the content after playing for a long time. Shows that I did not really understand everything here before.
I was in stuck in silver 2 seasons, but then i climbed to emerald. And now i got top 27 darius RU and top 2222 darius world watching your guides. Thanks Skill Capped❤
This is all very solid advice. It's not gonna make you a god tier player but it will absolutely help you out of low elo. I'm D1 which isn't anything crazy but before I learned all of these things I was trapped in bronze and silver peaking gold. I could've saved myself a lot of hours of play time and struggle by watching this. It may seem like simple obvious things because that's what they eventually become but when you don't know or understand them it can be the difference between silver and diamond.
Isnt the darius example on push lead very poor choice of champs? Darius will run almost any champ down on lvl 1 and if rene was hitting minions the lane would push towards darius side allowing him to zone rene from xp and gold even harder than usualy. I honestly would like to know your thought on this since I as P1 Ornn OTP would just stand away from first bush and wait for Darius to do his "brrr, must-hit-things" strat and just farm under turret until I have items to fight him. But maybe I just have PTSD from how many times Darius players cheesed me on lvl 1.
@@Evaded-nm7sr thats very helpfull insight, thank you. I know its cheeky to ask, but any tips against morde matchup? I have watched countless videos but still keep losing it
@@Evaded-nm7sr your english is good, dont worry. Again amazing tips. I kinda see where I did the mistake - letting him proc his passive. Its better to give up cs and few hp to not let him stack the passive. Thank you so much for these tips :)
The same video for mid lane would be cool. I personally have problems with roaming timings. If there already is a video like this please let me know . Thanks :)
It doesnt really apply for midlane. You see, in top, after you set up the big crash and the recall, the opponent has to clear and recall to avoid being behind in items. The result is that the first guy who crashed will return to a big wave and get the xp lead, not the item advantage, as the other guy also recalled, just xp. This should then become a back and forth unless the guy that defended the crash does not recall. But that is quite the point of the set up. If you recalled and he didnt, when you receive the wave, you have the item advantage plus the lvl advantage. You only need to trim the wave to 4 minions and freeze it as long as you can. If he comes close, you trade, you kill him or force him to recall and he will actually lose a wave or 2. But in mid it doesnt really work like that because there are mages. So if one side recalls and the other doesnt. You cant really freeze it due to longer ranged spells that will eventually make the wave crash. The only realistic thing you can do is to build up a wave, crash it, recall and get the xp lead. If he doesnt recall, you also get the mana and hp lead. Might want to call your jungler to get him when he is overextended so the enemy burns flash or he retreats and allows you to keep the freeze for a few moments in any case. You then use your mana, hp and lvl advantage to bully him out and make him recall and lose a wave. But that requires you to actually hit your skills. What you can do instead is to dance in and out of the maximum range of your opponent and making him miss his spells on you. then, after that ability is down, you can try to hit him and the wave when he has to go for a last hit.
If one person just want 1 advice for getting better in top, just learn minion waves. And how to play around minions to win even with weaker champion or even counterpick
This video officially made me quit being a top lane main. Its just such a unforgiving lane. Wave management isnt fun. I dont feel like losing an entire game because I took a bad recall.
Honestly, it is pretty ridiculous how different midlane is. You can literally just push over and over. Roam to other lanes or annoy the enemy jungler. Repeat. And it's crazy how many junglers just rotate between bot and mid over and over. I think Riot has really failed in trying to make top less of an island - despite the added toplane objectives.
I would have enjoyed it more if you explained the Darius matchup better. For low elo players, they do not understand what Stat Checker champs do and why they win in an isolated matchup. The Darius game in the first part of the video is a good example why Stat Checker champs are a key point of "winning lane".
I have understood. And i have used this already. but it all does not matter if the enemy gets 3 ganks from jgl, one from mid and one from support, whilst my jgl just visits to steal kanon and plates.... :(
The biggest issue I have with top is being able to carry once ahead. I know all the freezes and wave resets and I have great matchup knowledge since I play only top, but even at 5 0 you can't reliably carry as a top laner. Top lane champs( bruisers and tanks) suck at scalling and very rarely can they 1 v 9. You can consistently be one of the team's carries and ensure that if your adc dies because they got focused you can clean up.
Well isnt about winning, it's about playing better, if you play better you are going to be queued with better players(As always, there gonna be exceptions) and you'll be rewarded with more LP's and climbing faster to get to the rank you'll need to be. The problem with the people who play is that doesnt have PATIENCE, one game you play better wont put you with gold people if youre bronce or silver, even if you lose but didnt play bad, eventually your elo will be Higher than it was, for example you played 20 games your elo is higher, you are gaining 30 LP's per win and losing 10 lp's per lose, it doesnt matter if you los 4 games in a row if you already got 3 wins you are gaining more LPs than the quantity you lose, 3 wins means 90 LP's and four losses means 40lp's, but people isnt patient enough to reach that level and thinks the reason they dont climb is of the other players. Just keep playing if you deserve to be in a higher elo, you're going to be, just be PATIENT
@@josephsantos1783 In what world are you in where you lose 10 lp when you lose and gain 30 lp when you win? I'm sitting over here hardstuck bronze IV gaining 25 lp losing 25 lp.
Great tip to new players, try mundo. You're gonna have ass early games anyways but this way you can atleast turn into a monster late game as long as your teams stable. I've got a K/D of like .6, but a win rate of 93% because of this. Doesnt matter if you're bad, the amount of meat shielding you can do is infinitely valuable.
this is amazing content and i love what i learned. now it's riots time to step up their game with rebalancing teams and tiers. when i do all this in toplane to get 1 kill and 1 plating, my teammates will do a grand tour of most amount of deaths in 5 minutes, whilst screaming at each other like little babies.
You actually don't want to cheater recall if you have mana and health, u want to stay, invade the jungler, gank mid, or just stay and start thinning the wave
I have a little trouble with the first part of this video, Champs like jax,sett,darius,olaf,riven,pantheon, Quinn,vayne...etc can actually just run at you lvl1 and you'll die before you hit 2.while your minions do basically nothing. Like first example if Renekton had just started autoing, wouldn't change that fact other than him being chunked and his lane pushing away.
Easy, the enemy jg keeps camping me mega hard and buys vision for the top lane. Apparently they think the game is won from top. Meanwhile my jg doesn't do grubs, dragon or gank any other lane.
Their jungle being laser focused on you, so long as you don't feed kills, means they're losing farm, xp, vision and giving your mid and bot lane space and lack of gank pressure to make plays. It sucks to be in that spot but as long as you're keeping them tied up, you're providing value to the team. Of course we can't help the rest of the team be good, but at least we can help them be the best version of themselves
Theres two memes: Toplane is an island and If you want Toplane you must think like a Warrior. But Lane is Key to Victory it is hard if your enemy want fight 24/7, like a Darius, Aatrox, etc. and you wont. Please make a Video about that. Great Content as always stay tuned
Is it a good tactic to freeze on purpose so you can purposely kill your minions and make them miss out on their exp while they expect me to bring a wave into their tower or are doing something else?
I wonder if this applies to all champions, on my mordekaiser, I usually try to base near lv6 to buy t2 boots, and cheater recalls don't really help me with this
Yeaaa but Remember if you do early cheat recall you will ALWAYS(90% of the time if next wave dont go on the enemy tower)lose 2-3 mele (xp+gold) Minions from your+ if you will recall on lvl 3-4 then enemy will have faster lvl then you (5 lvl vs 4lvl) so he will have more resist,armor,DMG and HP. Cheat recall is risky af. Sorry bcs of mine bad english but i guesss you understood WHO read this❤ enjoy top lane
Yup.absolutely right .since you cant stop your opponent to last hit,lane control/freezing is the only thing you can do.Unlike in DOTA where you can deny your own minions and even towers ,thus denying gold to your enemy until he cant afford to even buy a set of boots.😅. In my opinion.lane control is easier on LOL
Because they don't ever look at minimap, get afk all game playing their sidegame, and don't matter what, never listen to pings, all miss, extremely overextended, the whole team danger pinging them, no other lane with pression nor objectivies up, and they just ignore everything, it's like they are 2 elos above what they deserve.
this channel is good for teaching u the basics and sure they are very usefull but they forget to tell u many things that can go wrong with every single decision they present. They show the cheater recall strategy like something that you can do every game and has no counterplay at all, but thats wayyy too far from the truth , specially from master and above
i am pready good at laning now i feel like i am diamond 3 rn but i often find myself in a situation where i cant carry because sometimes i make some mistakes after laning phase i know carrying in mid to high rank rquieres to do some risky plays but i feel like i fail that a lot of the time
this only works if and only if they actually stay in the laning phase with you. I've had at least 3 games with the cheese strat where the enemy are between 2nd and 3rd tower and just take the waves. Either die to an execution or just recall because they see no pursuit. If you pursue, you lose out on 2 waves because you are chasing an enemy and losing out on minion farm. This strat works but is stupid cheessey and dumb and it works in their favor. Lost 2 out of 3 games to this strat. Other lanes couldn't win and force the laning phase to be over and push a single lane and for them to teamfight. The only reason i won the 3rd game was because the other lanes won and quickly pushed and forced the enemy player to abandon their strat to help their team.
Nasus is stronger than people expect early. You can't trade like a donkey but he can catch people by surprise especially after 6 with a sheen. Also his life steal makes it hard to push him out of lane if you aren't pushing your wave with E.
@danielboulos7749 nah dude , i started playing trundle , i am on an 11 match win streak with him , and played vs a nasus ( i expected him to be very weak ) but his w full countered me and his e was insane poke . Still won in the end but it was close
wait can someone explain to me how to build up a big wave? Is it just letting them push pretty much? Is there really a difference in how many minions come down the lane?
When the wave crashes into the tower, you can build up 2 waves since your minions are forced to attack the enemy minons for a while, allowing multiple waves to stack together
depends on the matchup & what you build. an ap gragas/ ap bruiser gragas will look to play more agressive then full tank. Its really hard to give a clear cut answer for gragas specifically because gragas is so flexible. he can do short trades with grasp e-w which be devastating to play against(for example for a jax its impossible) but gragas is also one of the kings of toplane in playing weakside and just scale up and dont lose too bad.
This guide seems good, but i don't think you can apply this completely in 2024. Theres too much champions who can ignore the minion wave advantage in toplane like darius,aatrox and a lot of others. I still think that wave managment is important but less than before. At the same level, if someone have the lane bully or the ennemy jungler camping you, you'll get too much cs disadvantage to come back.
Or you just counterpick with a meta champ. Tbh it is a really good guide and easy explained. Good Job Edit: You can also make the wave push back into you even tho the both waves should go in the middle (neutreal psition). You have to pull the enemy wave by pulling them to first bush in top lane
Everything is true, except for the fact nothing here matters if you get counterpicked by a range top laner that also giga scales. And thinking just "do well" against counter picks, is heavily downplaying the enemy advantage on draft + underestimating enemy. Especially how much gold advantage range vs melee match up is being generated. Before anyone tries to reply my comment, just remember Ornn and Chogath tank top were buffed but only otp plays them due to how aggressively unfun it is against Range top. Considering Vayne and other range top are meta, + karma top is still fresh on people minds recent patches.
And for people who think just play properly. Just look at WR having shorter game time, there's no one sane people playing the bruiser/tank top. Its all range/assassin. Cause why bother playing a class that has a short ass time of window to win the game, when you can just pick range/assassin win the lane while also scaling to late game.
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besides watching streams/VODS of challenger urgot players and figure out what they do. i could give you some advice, although im only emerald... yes urgot naturally pushes waves and he is ranged so in most matchups you take the first plate almost guaranteed, what i see a lot of urgot players in is overstaying for plates when they are harder to take. i have killed so many urgots when i got back from base with an item advantage because they greed for an extra plate. and while urgot does naturally push waves. you can still slow push and freeze. you just have to make sure you blow your passive on a last hit where it wont hit multiple minions. then you just cs like any other champ. besides that you could just choose to make use of your natural strong pushing power and use it to stack waves and invade enemy jungle. for that you require a deep ward or the ability to track jungle though. also top objectives should always be yours as urgot
I am now still stuck at silver by abusing lvl 2 getting FB and getting ganked back to back on my slow push crash. Recalling by dying and then getting flamed yay!
8:52 won't lose any farm after the rebound. Yes sure buddy, you used Sion ult to get back to lane and only just grabbed 4 minions. Not every one can do that.
I watched this video and went from gold to bronze (I’m a jungler and apparently shouldn’t be spending my time pushing my top laners wave and cheater recalling)
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My main in Toplane is Shen, for just one reason: So I can teleport out of that hellhole as much as possible.
Make sure to take ignite instead of teleport, so you dont get tempted to tp back to top afterwards
Why would that be worse?
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I like how much they can fit into a 20min fool-proof guide, keep it up :)!
I am an ADC player who will never play top lane in ranked, but I will use this knowledge for when I play norms with Cho'gath and Ornn because I just bought their cute April Fools skins. So thank you.
For me it's exactly opposite, I hate playing every role apart from top and jungle 😂
@nanimopopo2170 good skins will put you in uncomfortable positions lol. I play a lot of aram so I'll have the skins for those too
I play ranged top laners 😂
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@5:40 "set up a tower dive, more on this later"
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@9:40 "this is a great time to tower dive, like we taught you earlier"
hahahaha
One is referencing the other. You either get a towerdive going off of a cheater recall and subsequent traves, or you use the minion advantage during bounce back to trade in your favor, potentially setting up a tower dive IF the enemy is on low enough health.
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What even is your point?
Instructions unclear I deranged from diamond to bronze
the fact that i don't suck, knowing damn well i either win it or be in a stalemate tells me i need to watch this video, because my stats might say i don't suck at top, as far i see, having an illaoi on top is just straight up insta quit for me, so i decided that even if i go top as nasus, i rather deal with jax or darius than illaoi
after watching the video, yeah i suck
The top lane in LoL made me wanna leave for DotA. I simply don't think it makes sense gameplay-wise for the top lane to be unforgiving as it is.
And the best way to bypass is playing as boring as possible.
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8:45 the only reason he didn't lose much farm here is because he ulted back to the lane LOL. Without TP, most champs would have lost quite a bit if they recalled there before the canon wave, no?
Yeah, it is so easy after level 6 to push a wave back, I do this many times, push a big wave, recall, by the time I come back, I have lost the entire wave, so technically the enemy gets ahead of you unless you have TP or Sion ult.
That's why tp is importance, especially early game since lose 1 wave could mean a lot so if you were in a bad position and need a reset, or get gank and now facing the pressure of the enemies crash into your towner and lose your xp and gold, so tp come in to help you navigate that bad situation, Sion R is just a huge replacement for tp so you can switch tp to something else like ghost + flash, or flash + ignite, etc.... and also his passive help with setup wave, crashing wave and so on, that's why Baus abused those thing so effectively, but it's does not make Sion op, it's just make up for what he lack in mobility and so on. What Im saying is that, every toplaners can apply this strat as long as they bring tp with them, it's only rotten range toplaner's brain with flash + ghost trying to cheese will get punish for it in longer run
Good catch. That's honestly our bad for using Sion as an example, but I promise you that in the majority of situations you can get back to lane in time to pick up the wave. Sometimes you're a bit late and lose a few and sometimes if you recall really late you'll lose the whole wave and have to use Sion ult or teleport. The way you can tell how much time you have is by looking at your next incoming wave, the further away the more time you'll have since it mirrors where the enemy's next wave is too.
It’s champion dependent. Higher wave clear champs especially garen make it very difficult to get a bounce back. You have to pretty much do a proxy wave clear and back asap so they dont dont end up pushing their wave under your turret before you get back to lane
@@cordgonsinged7676Love how Garen can stay broken patch after patch. Builds Berserker's boots and then has infinite waveclear.
Very helpful video, I hope I can apply it correctly in the game!!
I understand now why ranged top lane is so hated now. They can basically skip this turn based slow push cycle and harass you or farm with smaller risk from minions or trading with the other champ.
Best single video guide ever!
As a jg main i just use this to learn more about waves.
wow yo this is the best wave management video ive watched, ive spent days trying to figure this out and i finally got the idea of it, thank you so much 🙏🏽
Very helpful content. I finally won my laning phase vs a ranged! Thank you so much!
Skill capped videos becoming kinda goated tbh
I've seen this 7 months ago, and only now understand the content after playing for a long time. Shows that I did not really understand everything here before.
ahh dude this totally will help me cause i just started again i totally dont know how to play top rn
I was in stuck in silver 2 seasons, but then i climbed to emerald. And now i got top 27 darius RU and top 2222 darius world watching your guides. Thanks Skill Capped❤
This is all very solid advice. It's not gonna make you a god tier player but it will absolutely help you out of low elo. I'm D1 which isn't anything crazy but before I learned all of these things I was trapped in bronze and silver peaking gold. I could've saved myself a lot of hours of play time and struggle by watching this. It may seem like simple obvious things because that's what they eventually become but when you don't know or understand them it can be the difference between silver and diamond.
this might be the best video out there for laners
i am fairly sure that on some matchups u do not want to have the push lead
They cover those on the full course
Isnt the darius example on push lead very poor choice of champs? Darius will run almost any champ down on lvl 1 and if rene was hitting minions the lane would push towards darius side allowing him to zone rene from xp and gold even harder than usualy.
I honestly would like to know your thought on this since I as P1 Ornn OTP would just stand away from first bush and wait for Darius to do his "brrr, must-hit-things" strat and just farm under turret until I have items to fight him. But maybe I just have PTSD from how many times Darius players cheesed me on lvl 1.
@@Evaded-nm7sr thats very helpfull insight, thank you.
I know its cheeky to ask, but any tips against morde matchup? I have watched countless videos but still keep losing it
@@Evaded-nm7sr your english is good, dont worry. Again amazing tips. I kinda see where I did the mistake - letting him proc his passive. Its better to give up cs and few hp to not let him stack the passive.
Thank you so much for these tips :)
I recently started to think before hitting my desk when stupidly dying and I started winning games with nice scores or having a huge impact
thx for sharing so many good tips for free. i hope to have the budget to subscribe to your course soon
Bro this advice is useful and its easy for me to climb up the ranked now thanks
Hit emerald today because of you guys! Thank you!
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WOW good shit bro! I’m watching this as a jungle player that wants to play Irelia
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The same video for mid lane would be cool. I personally have problems with roaming timings. If there already is a video like this please let me know .
Thanks :)
It doesnt really apply for midlane. You see, in top, after you set up the big crash and the recall, the opponent has to clear and recall to avoid being behind in items. The result is that the first guy who crashed will return to a big wave and get the xp lead, not the item advantage, as the other guy also recalled, just xp.
This should then become a back and forth unless the guy that defended the crash does not recall. But that is quite the point of the set up. If you recalled and he didnt, when you receive the wave, you have the item advantage plus the lvl advantage. You only need to trim the wave to 4 minions and freeze it as long as you can. If he comes close, you trade, you kill him or force him to recall and he will actually lose a wave or 2.
But in mid it doesnt really work like that because there are mages. So if one side recalls and the other doesnt. You cant really freeze it due to longer ranged spells that will eventually make the wave crash.
The only realistic thing you can do is to build up a wave, crash it, recall and get the xp lead. If he doesnt recall, you also get the mana and hp lead. Might want to call your jungler to get him when he is overextended so the enemy burns flash or he retreats and allows you to keep the freeze for a few moments in any case. You then use your mana, hp and lvl advantage to bully him out and make him recall and lose a wave. But that requires you to actually hit your skills.
What you can do instead is to dance in and out of the maximum range of your opponent and making him miss his spells on you. then, after that ability is down, you can try to hit him and the wave when he has to go for a last hit.
If one person just want 1 advice for getting better in top, just learn minion waves. And how to play around minions to win even with weaker champion or even counterpick
This video officially made me quit being a top lane main. Its just such a unforgiving lane. Wave management isnt fun. I dont feel like losing an entire game because I took a bad recall.
Or lose the lane because you got 1st pick
this is cope wave management does not take high Iq and if you take a bad recall it’s on you
Honestly, it is pretty ridiculous how different midlane is. You can literally just push over and over. Roam to other lanes or annoy the enemy jungler.
Repeat. And it's crazy how many junglers just rotate between bot and mid over and over. I think Riot has really failed in trying to make top less of an island - despite the added toplane objectives.
Could you make a video about how to break these concepts with proxy?
Thanks!
You proxy to buy a turn and stop opponent to slow push to you, you gain tempo to roam and do other stuff
I would have enjoyed it more if you explained the Darius matchup better. For low elo players, they do not understand what Stat Checker champs do and why they win in an isolated matchup. The Darius game in the first part of the video is a good example why Stat Checker champs are a key point of "winning lane".
is it always wave control?
always has been
I have understood. And i have used this already. but it all does not matter if the enemy gets 3 ganks from jgl, one from mid and one from support, whilst my jgl just visits to steal kanon and plates.... :(
applied everything in this video in my last game, went 10/0 and won the game. This is legit information
The biggest issue I have with top is being able to carry once ahead. I know all the freezes and wave resets and I have great matchup knowledge since I play only top, but even at 5 0 you can't reliably carry as a top laner. Top lane champs( bruisers and tanks) suck at scalling and very rarely can they 1 v 9. You can consistently be one of the team's carries and ensure that if your adc dies because they got focused you can clean up.
Lol that Garen at 8:25 - how to waste your E on just two minions when there is a full wave you can quickly hit to turn the crashing thing around ...
When u win top 4/0 but mid n bot destroyed going 1/5 n 3/12 at 15 mins...
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Well isnt about winning, it's about playing better, if you play better you are going to be queued with better players(As always, there gonna be exceptions) and you'll be rewarded with more LP's and climbing faster to get to the rank you'll need to be. The problem with the people who play is that doesnt have PATIENCE, one game you play better wont put you with gold people if youre bronce or silver, even if you lose but didnt play bad, eventually your elo will be Higher than it was, for example you played 20 games your elo is higher, you are gaining 30 LP's per win and losing 10 lp's per lose, it doesnt matter if you los 4 games in a row if you already got 3 wins you are gaining more LPs than the quantity you lose, 3 wins means 90 LP's and four losses means 40lp's, but people isnt patient enough to reach that level and thinks the reason they dont climb is of the other players. Just keep playing if you deserve to be in a higher elo, you're going to be, just be PATIENT
@@josephsantos1783 In what world are you in where you lose 10 lp when you lose and gain 30 lp when you win? I'm sitting over here hardstuck bronze IV gaining 25 lp losing 25 lp.
@@vladb420 Thats because of your elo, when i was climbing to Platinum, in gold gained 30 lp per win and lose 20 or 15 lp
The wave never rebounded back to me. Wave was frozen by enemy tower for 4 and a half minutes... what to do?
crash the wave into tower
Tip #1, don’t play Top
endnu en god video fra ProfitPeter
Please do a midlane version of this video pleaseeee
POV your an aatrox main and your friends says you need to watch this but skip the tower dive part cause you already do that fine
I mean Zed vs Renekton obviously can't walk up to shove the wave into the tower. Renekton always has the option to freeze in that matchup...
Yea I was shocked when I saw that as one of the games used. Surely there's gotta be a better example than that
Great tip to new players, try mundo. You're gonna have ass early games anyways but this way you can atleast turn into a monster late game as long as your teams stable. I've got a K/D of like .6, but a win rate of 93% because of this. Doesnt matter if you're bad, the amount of meat shielding you can do is infinitely valuable.
this is amazing content and i love what i learned. now it's riots time to step up their game with rebalancing teams and tiers. when i do all this in toplane to get 1 kill and 1 plating, my teammates will do a grand tour of most amount of deaths in 5 minutes, whilst screaming at each other like little babies.
You actually don't want to cheater recall if you have mana and health, u want to stay, invade the jungler, gank mid, or just stay and start thinning the wave
Man can 1v1 me to see thats only 10 percent of the game.
need a video like this for mid
There is one, came out a couple months ago. It's the The Complete Beginner's Guide for Mid Lane in Season 14.
@@saltysavagexd thanks i will check it.
Just tried to apply this. Heimerdinger Top. Completely dominated me, i couldnt leave tower.
I have a little trouble with the first part of this video, Champs like jax,sett,darius,olaf,riven,pantheon, Quinn,vayne...etc can actually just run at you lvl1 and you'll die before you hit 2.while your minions do basically nothing. Like first example if Renekton had just started autoing, wouldn't change that fact other than him being chunked and his lane pushing away.
Easy, the enemy jg keeps camping me mega hard and buys vision for the top lane. Apparently they think the game is won from top. Meanwhile my jg doesn't do grubs, dragon or gank any other lane.
Their jungle being laser focused on you, so long as you don't feed kills, means they're losing farm, xp, vision and giving your mid and bot lane space and lack of gank pressure to make plays.
It sucks to be in that spot but as long as you're keeping them tied up, you're providing value to the team. Of course we can't help the rest of the team be good, but at least we can help them be the best version of themselves
@@Big_Red_Dork totally this. Very mature and on point, max honor comment.
Please make an Irelia Top Guide pleeeaase
Theres two memes: Toplane is an island and If you want Toplane you must think like a Warrior. But Lane is Key to Victory it is hard if your enemy want fight 24/7, like a Darius, Aatrox, etc. and you wont. Please make a Video about that. Great Content as always stay tuned
This is such a good video. My enemy immediately call me for being like diamond after I tried the first few tips even tho I am still bronze
awesome video guys tks
Not the enemy champion stat checking me with no minions and down items
Is it a good tactic to freeze on purpose so you can purposely kill your minions and make them miss out on their exp while they expect me to bring a wave into their tower or are doing something else?
imagine teaching lol and be proud about that. Humanity at it's best.
I wonder if this applies to all champions, on my mordekaiser, I usually try to base near lv6 to buy t2 boots, and cheater recalls don't really help me with this
Yeaaa but Remember if you do early cheat recall you will ALWAYS(90% of the time if next wave dont go on the enemy tower)lose 2-3 mele (xp+gold) Minions from your+ if you will recall on lvl 3-4 then enemy will have faster lvl then you (5 lvl vs 4lvl) so he will have more resist,armor,DMG and HP. Cheat recall is risky af.
Sorry bcs of mine bad english but i guesss you understood WHO read this❤ enjoy top lane
i am now a skarner top abuser so this comes is handy
Yup.absolutely right .since you cant stop your opponent to last hit,lane control/freezing is the only thing you can do.Unlike in DOTA where you can deny your own minions and even towers ,thus denying gold to your enemy until he cant afford to even buy a set of boots.😅. In my opinion.lane control is easier on LOL
one contradiction after the other^^ "not about trading"... 11:17 "all about trading"
I fell asleep with this channel's videos autoplaying now I'm stuck in Challenger
Because they don't ever look at minimap, get afk all game playing their sidegame, and don't matter what, never listen to pings, all miss, extremely overextended, the whole team danger pinging them, no other lane with pression nor objectivies up, and they just ignore everything, it's like they are 2 elos above what they deserve.
Good guide, but this lane is really frustrating and really controversial, but I actually saw my mistakes from this video,
this channel is good for teaching u the basics and sure they are very usefull but they forget to tell u many things that can go wrong with every single decision they present. They show the cheater recall strategy like something that you can do every game and has no counterplay at all, but thats wayyy too far from the truth , specially from master and above
Bro their content is for low elo players not maters+
i am pready good at laning now i feel like i am diamond 3 rn but i often find myself in a situation where i cant carry because sometimes i make some mistakes after laning phase i know carrying in mid to high rank rquieres to do some risky plays but i feel like i fail that a lot of the time
I saw the whole video, I locked in Fiora, I get a counterpicked by a master smurf vlad and I die at lvl 1. Great experience!
It's all about getting the last pick, you counter pick, and then get lane dominance for free.
thanks, I went from being 0/0 to 0/5 in just 10 minutes
Literally how i got to master from platinum this season:
-Learn how to manage waves
-Play Vayne and Rumble
Certified pdf
this only works if and only if they actually stay in the laning phase with you. I've had at least 3 games with the cheese strat where the enemy are between 2nd and 3rd tower and just take the waves. Either die to an execution or just recall because they see no pursuit. If you pursue, you lose out on 2 waves because you are chasing an enemy and losing out on minion farm. This strat works but is stupid cheessey and dumb and it works in their favor. Lost 2 out of 3 games to this strat. Other lanes couldn't win and force the laning phase to be over and push a single lane and for them to teamfight. The only reason i won the 3rd game was because the other lanes won and quickly pushed and forced the enemy player to abandon their strat to help their team.
instructions unclear, ended up locking in karma top
I play Nasus . Is my laning phase cooked?
Nasus is stronger than people expect early. You can't trade like a donkey but he can catch people by surprise especially after 6 with a sheen. Also his life steal makes it hard to push him out of lane if you aren't pushing your wave with E.
@danielboulos7749 nah dude , i started playing trundle , i am on an 11 match win streak with him , and played vs a nasus ( i expected him to be very weak ) but his w full countered me and his e was insane poke . Still won in the end but it was close
Im watching this when the game autofills me 50% of the times toplane knowing i have a huge skill issue playing this god forbidden role.
wait can someone explain to me how to build up a big wave? Is it just letting them push pretty much? Is there really a difference in how many minions come down the lane?
When the wave crashes into the tower, you can build up 2 waves since your minions are forced to attack the enemy minons for a while, allowing multiple waves to stack together
should a gragas top try to get the push lead or should he play more safe because of bad early
depends on the matchup & what you build. an ap gragas/ ap bruiser gragas will look to play more agressive then full tank. Its really hard to give a clear cut answer for gragas specifically because gragas is so flexible. he can do short trades with grasp e-w which be devastating to play against(for example for a jax its impossible) but gragas is also one of the kings of toplane in playing weakside and just scale up and dont lose too bad.
This guide seems good, but i don't think you can apply this completely in 2024. Theres too much champions who can ignore the minion wave advantage in toplane like darius,aatrox and a lot of others. I still think that wave managment is important but less than before. At the same level, if someone have the lane bully or the ennemy jungler camping you, you'll get too much cs disadvantage to come back.
Or you just counterpick with a meta champ.
Tbh it is a really good guide and easy explained. Good Job
Edit: You can also make the wave push back into you even tho the both waves should go in the middle (neutreal psition). You have to pull the enemy wave by pulling them to first bush in top lane
Everything is true, except for the fact nothing here matters if you get counterpicked by a range top laner that also giga scales.
And thinking just "do well" against counter picks, is heavily downplaying the enemy advantage on draft + underestimating enemy.
Especially how much gold advantage range vs melee match up is being generated.
Before anyone tries to reply my comment, just remember Ornn and Chogath tank top were buffed but only otp plays them due to how aggressively unfun it is against Range top. Considering Vayne and other range top are meta, + karma top is still fresh on people minds recent patches.
And for people who think just play properly. Just look at WR having shorter game time, there's no one sane people playing the bruiser/tank top. Its all range/assassin. Cause why bother playing a class that has a short ass time of window to win the game, when you can just pick range/assassin win the lane while also scaling to late game.
We’re getting out of bronze with this one boys!
ive been following this guide. i have dropped from gold to silver *skull emoji*
Watched your video and I guess I’m not doing a single thing wrong. I simply get trash junglers that feed my lane.
Hey can you pls help how can i get refund theres no custmor service i bought the yearly plan by mistake and i cant get it back im serching for a whole hour pls help
Oh boy cant wait to jump into a game with a good feeling and getting completely annihalitated by a lvl 3 dive with enemy jungler
remember toplaners, this is a good guilde but doesn't works for most counter matchup
What about wave management with Urgot? Cause he naturally pushes the wave
besides watching streams/VODS of challenger urgot players and figure out what they do. i could give you some advice, although im only emerald... yes urgot naturally pushes waves and he is ranged so in most matchups you take the first plate almost guaranteed, what i see a lot of urgot players in is overstaying for plates when they are harder to take. i have killed so many urgots when i got back from base with an item advantage because they greed for an extra plate. and while urgot does naturally push waves. you can still slow push and freeze. you just have to make sure you blow your passive on a last hit where it wont hit multiple minions. then you just cs like any other champ. besides that you could just choose to make use of your natural strong pushing power and use it to stack waves and invade enemy jungle. for that you require a deep ward or the ability to track jungle though. also top objectives should always be yours as urgot
I am now still stuck at silver by abusing lvl 2 getting FB and getting ganked back to back on my slow push crash. Recalling by dying and then getting flamed yay!
Why I suck at top lane - ban Illaoi, enemy pick Vayne. Ban Vayne, enemy pick Illaoi
8:52 won't lose any farm after the rebound. Yes sure buddy, you used Sion ult to get back to lane and only just grabbed 4 minions. Not every one can do that.
Because if I pick Melee, they pick always Range!
thx skill capped u made me become zeus
I watched this video and went from gold to bronze (I’m a jungler and apparently shouldn’t be spending my time pushing my top laners wave and cheater recalling)
hex you are my favorite skill capper
Sure, push lane control wave and let the enemy jungle run you down because you are pushed to their side of the lane with no way to escape.