AMAZING 35% More MPG with HHO? Let’s find out! Help with high gas prices?
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- Are high gas prices a problem? Let’s see if HHO (Oxyhydrogen) increases fuel efficiency by an AMAZING 35%, increases horsepower and torque while removing carbon deposits from inside the engine. I install and then test the HHO generator on both a vehicle and a fuel injected generator for fuel efficiency, performance and removing carbon deposits. I purchased the HHO kit and all of the supplies used in this video.
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That thumbnail is a work of art! Hahah!
lol. I was hoping to get some comments on the thumbnail. I think it's hilarious! Just trying to have some fun with the thumbnails and put a smile on a lot of faces!!
@@ProjectFarm it works 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
I agree thumbnail is spot-on funny
@@ProjectFarm keep it up, it's great.
@@ProjectFarm It worked for me man, thanks 😃
I always love when a company makes a claim and Todd gets that liitle smirk and says, 'we're gonna test that!'
Thank you! My goal is to give every product a fair test. Unfortunately, too many products don't quite live up to their claims! Hoping these videos will save people time and money, when also providing an enjoyable video. Thanks again!!
lol, I always envision the CEO and everyone at the start sweating when PF tests a product.
Did you guys notice his t-shirt?
@@ProjectFarm Snake oil seldom lives up their claims.. :P
Company: "35% increase in horsepower and mileage."
Todd: "Hold my gas can."
Can we all just take a moment and appreciate the time and effort this man and his team puts into these extensive tests. And this one in particular I'd say. Lots of hours in the making..
Thanks so much!
Oh absolutely! I love this channel. I never see short cuts and everything is carefully thought out. I actually have a HHO generator. I want it to work but after this video..... Think I'll just give it away.
@@ProjectFarm no….thank you !
I mean, that’s why we are all here. If he didn’t put effort and time into testing we wouldn’t bother watching
@@chubbyzombie666 ill take it!
This reminds me of when I was 16 and bought my first car in the 60's. I bought every gimmick known to man from the JC Whitney catalog. Each installation would boost HP by 15-10%. By all accounts I should have had a 500 HP 283 Chevy, but alas nothing ever changed. I can still hear my dad LHAO. It seems that the products now days are higher tech labelled, but work about as well as I remember. Thanks for doing this, it brought back some great memories. 🤭
You are welcome!
I remember those 1000 watt 6 x 9 speakers, oil-foul-resistant spark plugs, and an in-dash AM/FM/TV Cassette player. They also had a lot of big bore kits for VW Beetles and stuff like that.
Oh man. Those were fading out when I was a kid in the 80’s. So, I moved on to the P.A.W. Catalog. Chock full of everything from the latest in Wolverine blue racer cams to the complete, “assemble it yourself” all aluminum BBC. (Boomer bbc, not zoomer bbc)
I remember all the gimmicks in the J. C. Whitney catalog,never Bought them though.
There are some issues you weren't aware of.
The electrolyte works optimally at 165F.
Ideally you want 'ported' vacuum to draw in the brown's gas. Drilled hole in the intake is not ported vacuum. Most cars no longer have ported vacuum. If you have a PVC valve and connect to that, the benefits are reversed (you want more of the gas when you accelerate not less and PVC vacuum is reverse of that).
You want no more than 20 amp load. About 10amp is optimal so as not to place drag on the alternator.
You want a brown's gas output of 1 liter per minute per liter of engine size.
Additionally there are other things to trick the engine into utilizing the brown's gas effectively (deals with the upstream O2 sensor and IAT).
Just slapping one on can improve things a bit up to about 20% increase in MPG without other modifications.
I got double on the wife's car, but for a day. Her 4 cyl ran like a 6 cyl as far as power and acceleration went.
Seems the computer didn't like the car getting that great of MPG and brought the mapping back into what the manufacturer's specs were.
I even installed 3 lights too.
Green meaning it is on and working.
Yellow meant it was low on water.
Red means pull yer arse over and see what the problem is (usually blown fuse or loose wire or something but could be worse). Car would work with any of the lights on.
Had to keep resetting the computer every time I used the system. Finally removed it due to the hassle.
The hydrogen in that will slowly remove built up carbon.
When there is no free carbon available (takes a LONG time) it will pull carbon out of any steel parts (this is called Hydrogen embrittlement).
Those plates are made from stainless steel.
Best plates are made from Platinum.
Plate spacing is roughly 1.1mm for great results.
One hot plate and at least 5 or more neutral plates before the negative plate.
Some use electronics to pulse the DC current to to cell around 44kHz.
The water you must use has to be store bought distilled water.
Other water has contaminants in it that reduce efficiency, eat plates, draw too much current, create too much heat, and create sludge in the system.
Never use salt in a system like that. It creates Hydrogen chloride gas which can be explosive in sunlight.
With the dry cell, you don't have to worry about hitting bumps and drawing the electrolyte into the engine like you do with a wet cell.
Remember, there is no free ride with anything. It takes more energy to break the water molecules than you get out of it.
But the advantage is more efficient combustion and resulting more power and better MPG if you keep your foot out of it.
Just a few tidbits for everyone.
Author - redo the test but drive the car for 1 hour SANELY in warm weather so the system gets to operating temperature. Then test it again.
We saw you run that stop sign! lol
Did u run it on a early 2000’s car or like a newer model year car?
@@ddddmmmm9026 2004 chevy.
If you use non ported vacuum, your benefit is at idle as you have max vac applied.
Once you apply the throttle, vacuum drops and the cell reduces output. That is backwards from what you want to do.
I did try it on an old Jeep 6cyl too.
It had a bad miss in it even though all the parts were working fine.
Hooked up an external cell to the vacuum and direct from the battery.
Within 15 minutes, the miss was gone and the engine ran smooth as glass.
Once I disconnected the cell, within another 15 min it was back to having a miss in it.
I used stainless steel plates and Potassium Hydroxide with distilled water.
Plates were 1MM separated.
It was a container not the wet cell some use.
Plates size was roughly 3" x 5".
Used 7 plates, 5 were neutrals in between the electrode plates.
Edges sealed with Marine silicone.
Amps were between 13 and 20 depending on the temperature.
Any more that that it created drag on your alternator and much of the water would evaporate off without converting due to high heat.
Had to be very careful as the solution became a toxic waste due to chromium released from the stainless steel.
Gloves are highly recommended and so is eye/face protection.
Bad thing about stainless steel is that it is a resistor. Platinum electrodes are the best but who can afford them??
I found I only needed 3-4 volts to effectively run my system, I used a voltage reducer to heat the water around the pvc capsule containing my plates. Had it explode a few times under the hood bc of the faulty voltage reducer getting too hot exposing hydrogen under the hood next to my headers. 😅 I was only 17.... live and learn. You need a stand alone computer and a hell of a programmer friend to get these to work on anything newer than the late 80s.
@@kjruff7786 Actually there are two key components to fiddle with -
The O2 sensor output and the IAT sensor.
You can buy a module to tap into the O2 sensor(s) (I think it is called a PWM) to trick the computer.
For the IAT, simply remove it from the air intake and let it sit under the hot hood.
Deviating too much out of the fuel map will set a code and you lose your benefits.
Not sure you you could fracture the molecule bonds of water with that low of a voltage.
The typical sweet spot for voltage is around 28-30 VDC.
The o2 sensor extensions actually don't normally work as most cars have 2-4 o2 sensors now and they work with about 4+ other sensors. Tricking them only messes with other sensors and the computer compensates by pushing in more fuel
That video was literally worth $200.00. Thanks to you Todd, that money is still in my pocket.
Dido! To bad!
You are welcome! Glad to hear!
When you said it was worth $200, he was hoping you literally meant that and give him the $200! ;-)
@Charles McKinley apparently hho has a higher expansion rate, it does burn more in the cylinder then just gas.
But you have to reprogram the ECU/chip and do all kinds of stuff that makes it not really worth it..
The engine starts sensing more oxygen and then starts dumping in more fuel because it thinks its running lean, so generally you're not going to get better results without heavy modification..
Also optimal voltage is 2.2v so ideally you want 6 cells separated in the car, you charge at 12 volt but tap off the batteries in parallel so you only get 2.2v to the cell..
@ProjectFarm thank you. I can't afford to put 200 bucks into something that is a gimmick
Before watching: It seems like one of those too good to be true things.
After watching: it is too good to be true.
Thank you!
He use a generator for saving gas mileage. That was wrong you need to install in a car that can lean out the gas to save on mileage. You can’t get mpg out of something that don’t move .this tiny little system definitely isn’t big enough to show anything. So yeah he’s right it’s to good to be true because the set up is wrong . Someone figured they know in theory this works put on a different scale so they figurethey could find a handful of Desperate people to buy the product
After watching: shiiieeeeeeet
@@NoBs48 You believe in a flat earth don't you?
@@NoBs48 mileage is a way to measure fuel consumption. The generator runs at a almost constant rpm and if you add the exact same amount of fuel you can get a time that can be used to measure fuel consumption. Just because it didn't measure mileage doesn't mean the test is wrong. It is just a different way to measure fuel consumption.
Made my own hho unit years ago. Did get noticeable improvements in mileage. Difference…I installed a simple potentiometer on the dash wired into my map sensor. I was telling the computer that there was less air flow than was actually present, thereby causing the engine to call for less fuel. I adjusted based on need and could turn it way down on the interstate allowing for incredible fuel savings.
I appreciate your input. Makes sense.
Note that what's happening is that you're lowering the fuel mixture hence lowering the horsepower of the engine and creating better fuel efficiency out of it. Another way to do the same would be to take two cylinders out of combustion or have a smaller engine running. An engine with less horsepower is generally more fuel efficient as you give up on acceleration, while a 5 liter mustang has less MPG for the opposite reason. You actually don't need to install an HHO to achieve similar results.
you could do the same thing without the HHO, your engine was just running with less horsepower and therefore you saved gas. bravo, you made your car weaker which saved gas. wow.
@@lanzer22 i tend to agree with what you said.
My friends and I used to make these in college, we had a Civic that we actually got up to 60 mph with. Everything was stock, except for the homemade HHO generator, BUT we did have to tune the ECU. We did learn that it makes a bigger difference with gasoline engines versus diesel engines. But we did get my 2004 diesel excursion up to 24 MPG. I swear by HHO, but you definitely have to tune the ecu to inject less fuel because the air is richer.
Thanks for sharing.
how you tune eco to to inject less fuel
Why didn't you take these supposed findings to a scientific paper. I always see these claims but none of them are ever backed up.
That would make sense.
@@derfvcderfvc8714 because that was over 15 years ago before it became a big thing lol
The only youtuber that hasn't sold his soul to marketing. edit: Thanks Patrick
Thanks!
Him and AvE.
I came here to say AvE. Glad to see someone beat me to it
@@revmpandora The funny part is the completely different attitude they have
Project Farm: This channel is brought to you by like viewers like you
AvE: FACK YOU CORPO SCHILLS!
@@RangerOfTheOrder well i love this kind of channels, you trust them way more because what you see is not sponsored but really tested
I just love his straight to the point with no 10min background story before he starts. Thank you
Priceless! Other channels that love to hear themselves talk are as annoying as a child's argument after being told "NO!" --- three times.., already!
And no loud annoying free TH-cam music!
All so true… one of the reasons I love this guy, he understands we’re here for the info, and he always delivers it superbly.
A small 30 second explanation of what HHO does, and why the company claims it increases gas mileage by 30 percent.
Problem is AF mixture is set from the mas and the o2, these systems worked on old Beetles because we would manually adjust the carb to lean out the AF, simple procedure HHO off set carb lean till it sputters, turn on HHO to remove sputter, gently rich the mix until it runs smoothly and you get your MPG increase. Yes oil Temps were checked as was timing to prevent detonation issues.
Modern engines see a cleaner burn as leaning out, so the ECU enriches the mix to offset and you get poor MPGs.
These systems work better on Diesel as its a static rate of diesel going in versus a variable rate like modern gas engines.
Good test but it was missing this variable.
I appreciate your hard work. I trust no words on a box unless you’ve tested it
Thanks!
He drilled holes in his air boxes to test this for us, that's dedication!
My thought exactly.
He could have gained more HP just my testing with the hole in the air box. That's a fancy high airflow intake now. Just don't drive on dusty roads.
Duct tape will fix it, he even knows what brand works best
Next video: we're gonna see what epoxy works best for filling holes you drilled into plastic!!
Thanks for watching!
one of the best you tubers to date, no bs, straight up content, science, and no money farming from companies. MAD respect
Thanks so much!
@@ProjectFarm i did the double treatment to my motorcycle and as soon as i poured it in it atleast felt like the engine started to run smoother (could be psychological effect). But your tests and stuff could actually check if their claims are even clos to the truth.
hes been working it. Check out his videos from the past.
SCIENCE? Really?
Did PF Test the generator to see if higher Octane Fuels were an advantage? They are only advantageous if the engine is designed, engineered, and properly tuned for High Octane Fuels. So the same theory must apply to the addition of H2 gas. Did PF test to see if doubling the available Oxygen would improve efficiency of the Generator? Well no, because the ECU assumes that only 20% oxygen is available at 68F at Sea Level.
No my friend. Whilst PF's videos are entertaining, they are very very far from being anything that could be considered SCIENTIFIC. Wayyyy too many assumptions being made and implied in all of his 'experiments'. But very entertaining.
Love the videos. No nasty nasty cheap gimmicks or graphics. Just straight honest to the point results with some fun and enjoyment added.
Love the video Im a big fan. The biggest variable here is the fuel injected controller that is adding the fuel. The controller cannot see that there is another fuel (hydrogen) being added to the combustion chamber so it keeps running it's normal fuel trim.
This means that selling these kits to people is just useless because they are not actually leaning out the gasoline mixture to make room for the HHO to work. If you tune the fuel injector controller (pcm) you can get some small gains in the V8 with the HHO. If you tune the generator or switch to a carb and lean out the gasoline and add HHO, you can get very good gains and maybe almost run 100% on HHO.
Thanks!
correct you are
It wouldn't make sense to me to run 100% on HHO, being that it takes more energy to make the gas than you get in return. This means that you'd have to have some supplement of power. This could be from having to replace/recharge the car's battery, or by using gasoline/diesel. I could see running 50% as a maybe possibility just from a GUESS, but I don't have much of a clue honestly. I'd love to see some proper testing and evidence in these regards.
@@hsheheishje9649 sola power
I've run HHO systems before with mixed results. I was able to achieve a 20% millage improvement for highway driving only in a 96' 2.2L Subaru. The problem comes down to the EFI system which compensates the amount of fuel injected based off of the increase of O2 picked up by the 02 sensor, with the HHO, as well as the trouble of this effect with the variation of air/fuel mix to constant HHO output, produced by the fuel cell, unless you invest in specialized electronics which match the HHO production to air/fuel mix. For this reason in my experience with vehicles that work with HHO will only see gains after resetting the computer and maintaining a semi consistent air/fuel mix to HHO such as highway driving, once the vehicle is allowed to idle for extended periods the 02 sensor picks up the additional oxygen and registers a lean burn condition injecting more gas to make up for it and this is stored in the trim tab memory banks where by gains quickly disappear. Different vehicle manufacturers also apparently have different fuel management programs as well, I have tried two high quality installations on Ford with no effect unfortunately. There are two work arounds for this which are costly and complicate the installation. One is a smart PWM that controls the amount of HHO the cell produces to match the air/fuel ration but to function it must be spliced into the wiring harness of many of the engine sensors. The other are hydrogen separator cells which separate the hydrogen and oxygen releasing the oxygen and only adding the hydrogen to the combustion. In any case the computers trim tab memory should be cleared prior to running the system. IMHO the generator did not see fuel efficiency improvements because it is an EFI generator and was reading the added O2 as a lean condition which it compensated for by increasing the fuel injection beyond the actual amount needed for combustion. I would like to do another HHO installation on another vehicle and perhaps will post a video of it. Check my channel if your interested and perhaps you will find it a few months from now. Great video btw, with this information perhaps you could have seen different results.
Thank you for your work on this and detailed explanation of what you did, and your findings.
nice! I have to chime in though I designed a cell several years ago, (actually 4 cells ganged together). I installed it on my 97 dodge ram. I swear, I went from 200 miles to the tank to 400. The draw back was my cells would wear out within the month. My cells were unique. Some say they looked like strands of dna
so standalone system and problem solved or a remapping and its potential is greater than the cost in the end lol .... thanks for this tho bro as i am a knowledge freak and love learning stuff like this .. peace and love brotha keep it rad stay safe and build on ... l8z
I achieve a 15 -20% millage improvement in my 2005 Chrysler Pacifica, hho generator was runing on 30Amps, I don't remember the number but the gas (HHO) output was quite high
Great job 👏🏻
"Hey Wilma, who's that nut that's been drag racing past our property a dozen times in a row?"
Wilma: That's that lawnmower guy testing snake oil.
lol Thanks for watching!
At least it's not midnight in the Farmabego like last time..lol
i rly like the way u put this cheese :)
Hi there that's too funny 😂
The 300+ people that disliked the video bought this contraption.
Yeah, and they are pissed, that the true is out! Haha
There's a sucker born every minute...
@Geza......the 300 people bought it with their stimulus check 😏🙌🏽
Or might disliked for the fact of even making a video about this hogwash.
Plus 4 that disliked your comment☺️
As always reliable consistent content! One of the few youtubers who truly accomplishes that!!!
Thanks so much!
I love your videos. When testing, you try to think of any aspect that could change the outcome. Very thorough testing. Great job!
Thanks and you are welcome!
I love the symbolism behind giving the closing responses in front of an empty table.
I unconsciously noticed that, but not enough to think about it. Awesome way to end it!
Definitely!
it's not empty it's covered with all the hydrogen created.
@@Dherkin_McGhurken - How do you know it was Hydrogen? That's just an assumption. Was the gas tested to see if Hydrogen was being produced, or were the bubbles just Steam from boiling water with a DC heater? What about the Oxygen being produced, is it visible?
@@delawarecop you seem like fun at parties
Since you drilled that hole in your air intake, I can’t help but suspect a “Which aftermarket cold air intake is best” video in the works lol
He already knows which duct tape work best. Air intake IS technically a duct so using it wouldn't even be Jerry rigging it
Likely K&N, but that's because it offers almost no restriction on air flow due to extremely poor filtration. Great for the 1/4 mile drag ...but slowly killing your daily driver by always letting dust and debris into your engine.
@@SomeGuy-vo7we actually K&N isn’t the best. Black bear performance did some dyno testing on the popular intakes with GM vehicles.
He already did that and most of those cold air filters are garbage at filtering.
Most of the time the stock airbox is best.
This is the way testing should be done. Thank you for this and all of the other great videos!
Thanks and you are welcome!
Parabéns pelo vídeo! A honestidade e a transparências dos seus vídeos deveriam ser modelos para todos os outros canais.
This is the only channel where I finish the whole video before heading to the comments.
Thanks!
Same here!
this and naked yoga! gotta watch em all!
This is one of the few channels I give thumbs up even if I can't finish the video.
this is the only channel I watch the whole video after reading the comments
This man has wasted countless hours for our enjoyment. I will watch every single video. Always amazing.
Thanks!
I wouldn't call it wasting time, the results are useful
I reject your position that Todd is "wasting" time. The dude is helping millions of people, I would call that time well spent, for a noble cause.
Besides, he makes money doing it. Hardly wasted time.
@@billc7211 I mean this in a good way, chill.
Great video and effort on testing the HHO generator! However, it looks like there might have been a crucial component missing in your setup - a fuel regulator. The main idea behind HHO systems is to supplement the traditional fuel, allowing your engine to operate on the lowest possible amount of it. A fuel regulator can help control the flow and ensure that the engine uses minimal gasoline or diesel, while benefiting from the higher octane level provided by the hydrogen. This adjustment could significantly improve your system's efficiency. Would love to see how this change impacts your results in future tests!
Amazed how you keep your composure Todd. I would have ended the video by walkiung that thing over to a trash can and tossing it in.
Thanks!
Project Farm: "We obey the laws of thermodynamics in this house, mister!"
This wouldn't cause any violation of thermodynamics. Cars are WELL below the Carnot efficiency, the max effeciency a heat engine can reach at a given temperature, which is about 40-50% at car engine temperatures. Cars run at more like 20-30% efficiency, so it's plausible to get a bit more out of it, just not in this way.
Lol
@@PineJayForge Your comment is way underrated. so many people think HHO generators are selling snake oil over Unity. Well most aren't anyways, but still, it's about improving efficency, not violating the laws of thermodynamics.
@@kreynolds1123 they absolutely violate the laws of thermodynamics. You're powering the HHO generator using the car's alternator. There's no way for you to get more power out of that than what was put in when you generated it, otherwise you could make a perpetual motion machine by running the engine on pure HHO
@@Zagill wait till you learn about turbochargers.
This pops up every time gas gets expensive, you'll see it on Craigslist and other selling apps.
Great point! I'll test more of these gas saver gadgets if there's enough interest
@@_AndromedaGalaxy_ They debunked the Tornado decades ago.
@@ProjectFarm they are all snake oil bs I wouldn’t bother since 90% of us are not gullible.
Stanley Meyer Tjek him out.. You are wellcome
@@ProjectFarm now would be a great time to do a whole series on gas saving gimmics what with the gas shortage and all. My favorite is the ginormous magnet they sell to strap to your fuel line so it will supposedly break up clumps of fuel molecules!
I've seen homemade versions of these in videos claiming great results and have considered making one more than a few times. Guess I'll save myself the trouble... Great info as always. Thanks!
Thanks and you are welcome!
Thank you for all this testing you are doing . Hope you can continue . If you have not done so would love to see testing of various plug-in Performance Tuning mileage increasing modules for modern vehicles.
From personal experience using HHO generator results were a net loss of MPG due to the drag on the engine to produce electricity to power the HHO gas production.
One of the last few gems of quality content on TH-cam nowadays
Thank you!
Speaking as a trained chemist, my brain hurts every time I hear "HHO" like it's some kind of mythic mantra. Well done on the debunking!
Thank you very much!
I was just about to comment about h2o literally is hho. ;)
@@tom23rd More like HOH, chemically speaking. Hydrogen hydroxide. The difference is important. What we have here is H2 + O2. So might be more accurately called HHOO.
@@wiredforstereo Add a little nitrogen and we get OHNO.
What are you talking about. HHO is awesome! I drink it all the time!
My man i appreciate everything u do on this channel
thank you
Thanks and you are welcome!
Wanted to say thank you for all the information on product performance, you are amazing brother, learning so much about stuff I've always wanted to know.
You are welcome!
3:05 "I'll go ahead and remove the plastic shavings from the intake so we don't try running the engine on plastic as well." EPIC!
PF next video "can we run a truck on just plastic shavings"
Thanks for watching!
@@ProjectFarm Instead creating the HHO/electricity from the alternator/engine. Add a separate rechargeable battery bank that could be recharged by a solar system or wall outlet. When the vehicle is running use the battery bank to make HHO and see if there is an improvement.
With the results of the HHO, the plastic probably would have improved it a lot better!
@@michaelbrinks8089 Well, it's what he do with the genenrator. I mean, take electric source for the HHO from other source and we see the result.
The level of tact in this video cannot be overstated.
You can cut it with a sharp knife.
If you haven't already, check out the LockPickingLawyer channel ;-}
Thank you for your effort and testing. You are very thorough and precise. Thanks again for the demo
Thanks and you are welcome!
I watch all the ads for ProjectFarm. One of the best TH-camrs put there
Thank you very much!!
Yeah buddy! I want a collaboration with Project Farm and Smarter Every Day! Dustin and Todd would be a hoot to watch!
Like everyone else here, I'm stunned with how much work and effort went into this experiment.
Thank you.
You are welcome!
And without a Kaboom!
There seems to be a part missing from the setup - the EFIE (Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer) device. This adjusts the voltage from the oxygen sensor which detects the amount of oxygen in the exhaust. When HHO is added to the fuel-air intake, the burn is more complete without the need for more air intake. This leaves more oxygen in the exhaust.
The oxygen sensor emits a lower voltage (below 0.45 volts) which incorrectly tells the ECU (engine control unit) that the fuel mixture is too lean because of the excess oxygen. The ECU then injects more fuel in an attempt to bring the air/fuel ratio back to 14.7/1.
Without an EFIE to adjust the voltage (upwards) from the oxygen sensor to the ECU, more fuel would actually be injected and used.
The carbon deposits look the same because the burn would be the same and not more efficient despite the addition of HHO to assist it.
Frankly, I appreciate the many tests done by Project Farm (e.g. the rechargeable batteries test). I just wanted to point this out, hoping, perhaps, a second test can be done with the addition of the EFIE device. Older carburetor engines don't require the EFIE as air/fuel mixture is adjusted manually.
Years back, I installed an earlier HHO kit that included an EFIE in my 98 Corolla and the increase in power and torque was dramatic. I didn't use it long enough to check fuel economy. It's a long story but It didn't damage the engine and the Corolla is still running smoothly.
Love the attention to detail that you do on your videos.
Thanks!
I give props to you for somehow managing to maintain composure throughout this video.
PF constantly reinforces the old lesson your mom taught you.
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Totally. In this day and age if something like this worked all of the major auto manufactures would jump all over it. Oh by the way, I have some ocean front property in Nebraska. Cheap!
@@explorenaked I remember "Salton Sea Resort" ads from early 1960.
Try using a separate rechargeable battery bank for the electricity to make the HHO gas.
Using electricity to make HHO to run a engine is less efficient than just the electricity for an electric car but would be easier & cheaper to make a HHO/gasoline hybrid than trying to build a gas/electric hybrid.
Take a small 4 cylinder pickup truck, add a battery bank and some solar panels to the truck roof & bed cover. Use the solar panels to recharge the battery bank that makes the HHO.
Probably still more trouble than worth but would improve MPGs depending on how much HHO is added.
Similarly related, I hope he tests Water - Methanol Injection. It's reported all over that it works, but you _do_ need to advance the engine timing. It works because it lowers the temperature in the combustion chamber _and_ acts to increase downward pressure in the combustion chamber, while allowing you to increase the engine timing. As a bonus, it keeps pistons clean.
@@explorenaked Insured by Mutual of Omaha, no doubt.
Thanks for this detailed , very well explained expirment.
As always, amazed at how you even come up with the tests you do.
Thanks!
Some say big name manufactures consult him first before making a product and that he once taught a giraffe to curtsy. All we know is, he's Project Farm.
hahahaha! love that!
Top Gear, huh?
I read that in Clarksons voice
Some say, he’s the Stig.
Just made me realize how much I miss the REAL Top Gear! 🥲
I feel like his BS meter is so finely tuned that you can tell the outcome just by the way he says "we're gonna test that.."
Thanks for the feedback.
He needs to add a physical BS Meter or BS score to the show, lol. This one earned 10/10 BS score.
@@weldabar I feel like that just wouldn't be his style. a BS score would be too gaudy for him I think. I like the idea, I just don't think it would fit.
Yeah, too gaudy indeed. The sly smirk and the promise to test the claim is enough.
lmao!!
Thanks for the thorough research sir. It’s appreciated
You are welcome!
This is actually the best informative video I've seen. You're wasting NO time at all explaining the stuff your talking about, and you're not leaving out any important details. Great work man, you've earned yourself a subscription.
Thanks! Thanks for watching and subscribing!
@@ProjectFarm Dude, try this if you able and still have setup.
Run your car on gas. Measure gas consumption.
Now make hydrogen outside of engine.
Now keep reducing the fuel mix so you running leaner. Keep running lean until engine stops. Now add hydrogen. Keep adding fuel + air making it richer. Now how much less fuel are you using?
This will tell you if you have more efficient combustion because you added hydrogen to the mix. Then it's question of power to produce hydrogen vs savings in less gas consumed.
There could be economic advantages. Gas at $5/gal, it still might be cheaper to cook hydrogen at home and run it with your vehicle.
@@joeboxter3635 How will you store enough hydrogen to give your vehicle decent range (like 400 miles or so)?
@@Cougracer67 Oh, I don't mean this to drive. I mean to determine if adding hydrogen+ air to allows a much leaner fuel mixture to produce same power out.
If it can then that would be some evidence that hydrogen can act as a catalyst to increase gas efficiency. At least it's a start towards proving this out.
If I understand what he did, he tried original fuel air mixture + hydrogen -- not lean mix.
Search on this for a paper published in the Alexandria Engineering Journal (full pdf available free):
Effect of hydroxy (HHO) gas addition on gasoline engine performance and emissions
Mohamed M.EL-KassabyYehia A.EldrainyMohamed E.KhidrKareem I.Khidr
Mechanical Engineering Department, Faculty of Engineering, Alexandria University, Egypt
Received 8 June 2015, Revised 14 October 2015, Accepted 28 October 2015, Available online 21 November 2015, Version of Record 8 March 2016.
Abstract
The objective of this work was to construct a simple innovative HHO generation system and evaluate the effect of hydroxyl gas HHO addition, as an engine performance improver, into gasoline fuel on engine performance and emissions. HHO cell was designed, fabricated and optimized for maximum HHO gas productivity per input power. The optimized parameters were the number of neutral plates, distance between them and type and quantity of two catalysts of Potassium Hydroxide (KOH) and sodium hydroxide (NaOH). The performance of a Skoda Felicia 1.3 GLXi gasoline engine was evaluated with and without the optimized HHO cell. In addition, the CO, HC and NOx emissions were measured using TECNO TEST exhaust gas analyzer TE488. The results showed that the HHO gas maximum productivity of the cell was 18 L/h when using 2 neutrals plates with 1 mm distance and 6 g/L of KOH. The results also showed 10% increment in the gasoline engine thermal efficiency, 34% reduction in fuel consumption, 18% reduction in CO, 14% reduction in HC and 15% reduction in NOx.
I’m 76. Can’t remember how many ‘new inventions’ were advertised in my life time to improve your car’s performance. None of them worked. They were usually seen
in Popular Mechanics, Mechanics Illustrated and Popular Science. Small ads in the back of the magazine.
Thanks for sharing.
a lot of inventions did help make combustion engines more
Efficient. Injection, turbochargers,... The thing with those inventions is that they became mainstream pretty fast.
Popular mechanics was awesome source of gimmick ideas, read it everyday in study hall in the 80s.
Magnets on fuel lines still being sold. I met the fraudster who is Rich from this nonsense.
Sad
Makes one wonder if it isnt a coincidence that we have scientists and engineers optimizing motors worldwide and no car is using one of those kits. One would nearly go so far and say those guys know what they are doing :o
I support you! thank you for your work. it is very interesting.
Thanks so much!
Really learn a lot from this channel
Easy, simple and well explaining
Thanks!
This man is amazing. He cut a hole in his air intake for his vehicle, and generator, Much love to you Project Farm!!
He will slap some tape over the hole. He knows which one is best because he has already tested that out!
@@Jacob-hn1sc nah JB Weld that hole up
What would of Mr. Beast have done.
@@sunnydays4966 Be gay.
Once again, “free” energy is anything but
Would love to see electric pressure washers put to the test! This is the only channel that I will give a like before the intro is even over. Awesome work 👏
Obsessed garage did a huge comparison of about 50 units I believe
Great suggestion! Thank you.
Electric pressure washers work great. Like why waste gas on washing something 😅
@@2strokepower803 gas equipment is best, its fun to fill,fix,and the noise
IChurusLikeLOL there is more fun things to fill up and hear the exhaust on. Like a car or motorcycle :)
A lot of the comments video read in other videos where there was Not" a cpu used to flash the O2 sensors which comes with some not all of these kits is what makes the difference in MPG savings. According to experts the hho generator sends more gas and the cars cpu interprets that are more oxygen and in turn the engine sends more fuel defeating the purpose of using an hho generator so I'm doing research on generators in the market that include a cpu that can be flashed from the diagnostics plug under the dash and see which one is the best and offers a money back guarantee. I've read it's better to use these type of generators in engines that use a carburetor and do not require the use of a cpu because everything is based on vacuum. Great video like the thumbnail 👌 😅
You use the scientific method so well on all your videos. I love it, thanks.
Thanks!
I have been binge watching you for 3 days, and I am extremely impressed with your engineering skills, dedication, and attention to detail in your videos. To me, your reviews are as good as Consumer Reports reviews in the old days. I am really glad I found you.
Thanks!
I’d say better than consumer reports. He’s got nothing to gain.
Consumer reports in the old days? What sis they do to them current days?
No. He is FAR better than consumer reports
i remember a friend of mine around 2006 was trying to convince me that these kits would make our cars get better MPG. Snake oil never dies.
I remember these kits from 1986 and it came with a free spark amplifier that went on top of the coil.
Same. I explained the physics to him then too.
Snake oil is stronger than ever. Discouraging.
@@wiredforstereo Yeah, it should seem pretty simple "you can't get more energy out of a system than goes into it."
This thing uses energy from the engine to do what it does, so how would it improve engine efficiency when *at best* it could only break even?!
@@steventhomas5865 I have one of those spark amplifier thingies! I got it at a trade show back in the 90s along with my sample of Dura-Lube after watching an engine run without an oil pan. 😉
Never tried one of these, but my hats off to you for trying. Kind of expected it to be a scam. My cousins and I did a homemade electolysis-gasoline hybrid some 20 years ago. The results were kinda neat with ours. We doubled fuel economy, but only during the first 20 minutes of driving. After that economy tanked big, but still remained slightly above normal. As far as we could deduce, it was something to do with the computer module, and we didn't have the ability to really toy with that. Ended up converting a few family members engines, until there was a little bit of an accident, then we all switched back lol
It required more work than it's worth tbh.
Thanks for the feedback.
thanks for this review , was wondering about that for past 5 yrs but was waiting for jusy this review
You are welcome!
Snake oil. Unfortunately a lot of people still fall for this :(
Always explain to them, if it made enough gas to help anything, the motor would have to run harder to power the generator, and it never works xc
Deliberately blowing $200 when you KNOW ahead of time that it's a "perpetual-motion machine" is going above and beyond the call of duty for a content-creator. (After that crap is torn back off, he should see if it blends, and then whether or not it'll stop a fifty-cal.)
@@geth__commands_6300 Everything is relevant to weight? Gravity is not, all objects fall at the same rate in a vacuum. Time, when traveling near the speed of light is relevant for the occupant.
If hydrogen is utilised you know it is used to generate electricity to operate the motors because the is not any air for the engine use, don't you. Even diesel engine submarines use batteries to run under water. Without batteries, all submarines would be useless underwater.
In your insult to the OP, what does "you must be the old and new generation well done" mean? Perhaps because they are not in the correct generation, the one in the middle of generations. I wouldn't know how that could be insulting. Also now that you are aware of everything in your statement is incorrect, false or misleading, does that mean you resend your insult?
This SNAKE OIL should be taken off the shelf and the owner held liable !!!!
Snake oil or improperly installed?
To see any improvement on a fuel injected car the oxygen sensors need wrapped with aluminum foil.
this will cause the car to lean out it’s fuel to air mixture.
The hydrogen hose needs put into the vacuum system generally the brake booster line with a three-way connector.
A resistor spliced into the wires to the map sensor to tricks the vehicle into believing that there is no Vacuum leak. That idle air control valve will do its job and bring the vehicle back down to a Smooth idol.
This channel has quickly turned into one of my favorites, great content no BS and great editing
Thanks!
He is so entertaining as well. I don't know if he is an unhinged serial killer or just a happy dude
We're gonna test that!
@@Shred72
Serial lawn mower killer!
I love your test on everything, very thorough.
Thanks so much!
Did you notice any difference in fuel economy on the suburban? Just curious cause the generator is carbureted and the suburban is fuel injected so maybe the suburban ECU will see if it running lean or rich and maybe adjust fuel. And I love your videos straight to the point!
Generator is fuel injected also...
Dude - I'm really impressed. I've seen enough of your videos to know that you're plenty smart enough to know that you're testing a scam but you went ahead and gave it a more than fair test with no opinion at all even though I'm sure you had one. An excellent review. Good job!
Thanks!
Why do you think hho is a scam?
To start with, if it worked, the system would be built into at least some cars. 35% fuel savings would be a KILLER selling point.
@@josephlunderville3195 but that’s not how economics work..
they have designed smaller more environmentally friendly cars for a reason right??
Think about it!
the older bigger engines, believe it or not, tuned right,
will haul your family and luggage or your tools for work, farther, more reliably, and cheaper then any 3.5 v6 or smaller or 4 cylinder.. and turbo don’t get me started.. with a bigger motor you will stop for gas less because your vehicle won’t be fighting its own weight plus your load!!
next question..
what are the most explosive elements known to man?
@@josephlunderville3195 here’s a hint, it’s not gasoline or even a petroleum product! Whatever you decide it to be, answer me this??
why don’t engines run on that??
Project Farm's thumbnail game has truly ascended to new heights
Lol, Thank you!
Very innovative way to test the effectivness of 'HHO" - it indeed clarifies lots of doubts and misunderstandings, thank you for a detailed vid
Thank you!
Excellent 👌 been wondering about these
Thanks!
You’re the man for making all of these non-sponsored videos for us to see how products really perform! Keep up the good work boss 👍
Thank you, will do!
Great job as usual. You are the new Myth Buster. I didn't even know these existed. I will keep it that way now. Thanks!
Thanks!
I think they tested these on Mythbuster with the same results
Appreciate you making content like this.
You are welcome!
Love Your Channel! God Bless You Bro!
Thanks!
It may not have cleaned the plugs, but it sure did clean out your wallet.
I think it's more about buildup over time not being as significant
@@THESLlCK Since it's using more fuel that would be impossible.
Yeah hydroxy gas ain't for liquid engines
using a 10dollar 2 stroke oil mixed with the fuel would have done wonders for the engines than using a 200dollar hho device...😁😁😁
Good Point!
A better way of saving fuel is to fit small wheels at the front and big wheels at the back, then you are always driving downhill except for steep mountain roads.
Hahahaha!
Awesome....I wonder how many people went and put some lift kit on the rear of their vehicle.
Bruh
@Aquatic Ape hilarious 😆
even - the small wheel inna front give you triple the speedo speed :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO AND DOING ALL THIS FOR US MUCH APPRECIATED
You are welcome!
I learn a great deal watching your show. Thank you so much.
You are so welcome! Glad to hear!
So what we have learned here is that Mr. Project Farm could have obtained the same results by just simply lighting his $200+ dollars on fire.
At least then he would have had heat.
As much as I love these videos, qas hoping for a tl;dr sooo thank you 😊
Seems the only thing this quackery reduces is the weight of your wallet!
Almost true - in addition he could been working the time he spent for the test at dollar 30 per hour - Minimum🤗🔭🌄👍
Probably would have generated more energy.
Bro I love the tests u do keep it up bud
Thanks, will do!
Looks like it's about as effective as Uncle Rico's time machine, but without the physical pain.
Some good Napoleon Dynamite references I see. Well done.
Forgot all about uncle Rico's time machine lol man if I could just go back to 1984 I'd take state
Oh crap, so time machines don't work neither?
What liquid fuel do Rocket's use?
Thx for the video and information.
You are welcome!
Interesting to see these kits about. I've seen mobile mechanics with browns gas generators that they feed into an idling engine to clean up soot deposits.
I'm told that during WW2, the ministry of war retrofitted their tanks with browns gas generators and got 60% efficiency gains. Hard to test when you don't have the original equipment. Reading some of the comments here that seems to be the case if you have a carburetted fuel air mixture, hydrogen in the air intake helps the fuel droplets burn more completely. Fuel injection works a little differently and with variable valve timings overcomes a lot of the inefficiencies already.
Thanks for the feedback.
I remember before everyone had the availability of the internet at anytime, a lot of people automatically believed anything they heard on TV or in magazines. Thanks to your channel and a few others we now see the real results of these products.
The modern-day version of gullible is watching CNN.
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Zip ties this magnet to your fuel line for great fuel savings!
@@KarateSensei71 or Fox or any corporate media.
Yeah, although the HHO craze really took off on the internet back in the mid 2000's, so I'm not sure what that says :)
Just wanted to thank you again for doing the HVAC filter video, I upgraded to a merv 14 filter and I swear I haven't sneezed at home since
You are welcome!
I've seen these for years. one guy uses distilled white vinegar, which is a good thing as it is free from any impurities. I have heard it also reduces oxidation.
I appreciate you doing this testing because there's a lot of people posting videos to tiktok and Facebook about these and how they get amazing fuel mileage but anybody with any amount of technical background knows it's not going to do anything.
Thanks!
what's even more interesting is how many people are lying about it. Even people way back in the 80s were lying about getting 50 plus mpg. Why so many lies for so many decades? you'd think it would be long debunked by now.
If you don't already have them, you need to make a t-shirt that says: Project Farm "We're gonna test that!" :D
You can view the new line of merchandise "We're gonna test that" at project-farm.com.
I will be in it for a Large and XL size... 😁
He’s wearing one in the video. I just ordered mine! First and only TH-cam channel patronage! Keep up the great work.
He knew right off the bat that it was scam. He just wanted to show to others. :-)
LMFAO....Per the link He provided...he already had that shirt!! :D Awesome!!
As a physicist, I can tell you exactly why this didn’t work: energy conservation. If you generated the HHO with external power, you probably would get that increase in efficiency, at least with sufficient flow rate. But you’re using energy to generate the HHO, and the absolute best you can hope for is to get that same energy back, which you won’t because every step of conversion incurs losses.
Ok so if we run the hydrogen generator on an extra battery which isn't connected to the regular motors battery we should have a different result?.
Why not just running the motor on hydrogen alone?
Thats not exactly true,,you forget the calorific value of the gas generated,,but you will still need petrol to make this system work,,the biggest flaw is the O2 sensors and electric fuel in jection,control by a set value in design,,why you need to trick O2 Sensors,,other wise more fuel will adde to bring mixture back to design set,,
HHO
When you seek to convert
You only subvert!
if that were true then forced induction could never work
ur forgetting that it's not in a vacuum
the water and other chemicals are already there.
you are 100 percent wrong to assume that........ what you said is like saying you won`t get much bang out of an atom bomb because the effort to light it will be greater than the explosion............ um
Thank you so much for making this video
You are welcome!
You should use the thread tape for gasses vs the liquid kind. I believe it’s usually yellow in color 👍😊
LOVE your videos! Don’t buy anything without watching your amazing work to see what will serve my needs best! 🙏☺️
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Teflon tape is Teflon tape. It makes no difference. The only difference is the color which is to denote that the joined fitting is being used for flammable gas service.
However, in many instances the tape thickness may be greater. This is compensated with more or less wraps of Teflon on the threads.
In practical service the color of the tape does not change the performance of the tape regardless of the application.
We all need to appreciate what this man went through to get these results while all of our Ass are on the couch enjoying and learning what to buy and what not.
""""""" Thank You SIR Project Farm """""""
Lol well said. He has over 2 million subscribers so I hope he's being compensated well for his efforts.
@@Joe-co4sq That's right.
I don't sit at my couch I sit at my kitchen table. I am now triggered therefore you are canceled.
Next time make sure you place a pyramid on the device and cleanse away the bad MPGs with healing crystals
Damn, so that's where I went wrong!
YES, exactly! Fossil fuels are evil, so the low-vibrational energies from the hydrocarbon aura need to be swept.
Also, Chevy's usually have malevolent spiritual attachments, so, there's that. 🤣😂
Well done video! I tried this some years ago on a 61 pickup..zero gain in mpg
Thanks!
I've ran a home made HHO set up on my 87 Silverado 454. Took the motor from 9 miles a gallon to almost 20 miles a gallon. I have a carbureted motor. The trick is you have to starve the motor. Because you supplementing the fuel with Hydrogen. The same thing can be done with a regular motor. You have to fool the mass air flow sensor. To think it's getting the same out of fuel. And supplement HHo.
"I'm going to install the HHO with zip ties cause as soon as this test is over I'm taking this crap off".
Doesn’t fix the hole in the intake! But I guess that’s duct tape.
They'll claim zip ties is the reason why he didn't see 35% increase in MPG.
@@JD-hy6yc epoxy from his "best epoxy for plastic" video tests
HHO Sales: "Hey, Project Farm just sent in an order!" HHO Legal: "Oh Crap. Busted!"
Do you really think that a Chinese scam company a) has a legal department; and b) gives a fuck if someone debunks their bullshit? There are enough gullible idiots out there so that they don't have to worry about this debunking. And if you really want to step into the cesspool of Legalese: They're claiming "UP TO 35 %" and 0 % is well within "up to 35 %" so they're safe.
Thanks for your time investment on this test! Good job!
Thanks and you are welcome!
thanks for making this. well done
Thanks and you are welcome!