ATC 50ASL Monitors - THE BEST MIDRANGE ON THE PLANET?
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- The ATC 50ASL monitor overview. Hopefully some useful opinions on these studio monitors! Though I’m not affiliated with Studiocare, they were massively supportive in allowing me to try these monitors and it’s rare that happens in my experience - so I would highly recommend giving these and any of the other monitors I chat about an audition in your space/studio to see what you think.
Studiocare link - studiocare.com/collections/atc
ATC Speakers - atc.audio
Thanks a lot for watching! As always, comments and feedback fully welcomed. Check out the rest of my nerdy stuff @lapwingstudio on Instagram 🙌
ATC’s are simply a different world of monitoring. I have a set of genelec’s but I hear ATC’s often at a couple friends studios , man so open and detailed.
The mid range of the 50 is the SL version which has a larger magnet than the 45 and 25. Thus more clarity and high frequency extension
Hey, great video! I've recently had a chance to listen to an ATC speaker (20ASL) for the first time in my life (after wishing I could hear one for a good part of a decade). Wife and I loved the sound! Can you use these in a home stereo setting? Thanks!
You can absolutely use them in a home environment! In fact if I had the budget I’d get Atc speakers everywhere I’m watching TV and things like that. The midrange feels softer and more listenable over a longer amount of time to me! So it’s good option! Just depending on your size of room and where you position the speakers in there, to get the best bass response and overall sound
Great video
Great speakers man . I need help with picking out some new actives for around £ 3 - 5k to pair with a Chord Hugo TT2 DAC, i prefer a warmer signature, do you have any suggestions? Have you heard ATC paired with any of Chord electronics gear? Also have you heard those large Genelecs with the 8" woofer ? Nobody seems to have put any reviews up bout them last time i checked anyway.
Hey Jonny! Unfortunately I’ve not yet tried anything there! Genelecs are typically “cleaner” which might feel flatter. But ultimately, if you did want to look at buying a set of any, I’d definitely get in touch with a preferred dealer, and if they’re not happy to let you audition the speakers - go elsewhere! Most of the shops selling good quality monitors at that price point will be open to an email or call about you listening to them properly! So definitely try that out 👌 good luck with your search! 🙌
@@lapwingstudio thanks for the comment back man ill take that advice and try and speak to some dealers who can advise me further . So much stuff to research and consider before spending loads on a new set of loudspeakers i wanna be sure .
Add an atc sub on each side, valence the volume and you get the full range sounds like mains! You don’t need a sub but it’s nice in the studio
Interesting observation comparing the home vs the pro version. In the image, the blurb on the home version says it uses the SH25-76S tweeter but the image is not the SH25-76S.
Hmm I’m not entirely sure which site or year model you’re looking at currently? But the S spec tweeter is the most recent of the speaker designs on the tweeter I believe. So if it’s not that tweeter specifically I’d imagine it would be an earlier model. For example the atc 25 has now just had the upgraded S spec tweeter included I think since 2022 or so? You can tell by the housing around the tweeter. And they call it the mk2. Otherwise the same speaker (albeit a slightly bigger cabinet - but not much bigger at all). I’ve auditioned the pair of the mk1 and mk2 - they’re very close to me personally - but the highs sounded a touch wider on the mk2. Though if the price difference on the 2nd hand market was big enough, I’d grab the mk1 for sure! The midrange is the driver you’re paying for anyway!!! Just the S spec on the mk2 is now joining that same family as originally was only in the 45ASL and up!
ATC uses ports to reduce distortion rather than extend bass response lower.
they work still the same way, ATC cant bend laws of physics lol.
@@DrSamE Can you give me a list of the laws of physics? LOL
@@Joe-mi4jw is that comment a joke? but yeah anyways. All ported speakers behave the same way, there are factors you can change. And like in ATC's its low Q. But there are many many other similiar ported speakers and subs.
Thanks for the reviews, do you prefer the Kii's or the ATC, Have you ever tested some genelecs ?
Thanks for watching mate! I prefer the kiis for what I do, which is mostly mixing and producing things. In terms of actually enjoying music for playback or for loud tracking, I think ATC in general are really good. I have heard some genelecs but not yet tried any out in my room! So I can’t really comment on those too much 🙌
@@lapwingstudio hey how about the low end versus the kiis and the 50s ? Would you need a subwoofer for the 50s ?
For my room personally I think the ATC were just far too big, to judge the bass frequencies at any real distance (because I’d be sat way too close possibly). In the much bigger live room (with no real sound proofing), the bass still felt a bit lacking to me personally, just wasn’t super tight and separate to the other frequencies in my opinion. So I would either go for a bigger model (depending on your size of room) for more low end precision, or pair this size monitor with something like the c6 sub or similar from ATC and I think you’d be golden!
The Kiis are quite different, in that the bxt model and the kii3 (tops of the bxt stack) have room “correction” of a fashion, in that, they’re trying to fire the sub and bass forwards, with the main intention, making the directivity of the frequencies land at your listening spot around about the same time. So you kind of end up having the impression of more even low end. Having said that, even with the bxt, I think I would realistically need to be sat further back than 1/1.2metres away to appreciate the sub bass better. But the control of all bass frequencies felt way more balanced and separate than the atc50 - but then again the bxt is a lot more expensive! I’d definitely say if you can audition a pair of the ATC in your room, you should try them! I know a bunch of people who say they have plenty of bass 🙌
@@lapwingstudio that’s what i thought i was considering the 100s too but read on forums that the 50s are more balanced (also sterling sound uses 50s and 110s 9”LF + 2x sub) but the kii option without the bxt would be a cheaper solution and on paper they go down to 20hz Which would do the job just right. But if I consider getting subs ATCs would be a lot cheaper… I don’t like to mix too loud but at some point it’s necessary to go loud So I’d need some juice but nothing too crazy my main goal is to be able to hear the truth across the whole spectrum with enough low end info no hypes. But every time I listen to songs that being mastered with ATCs or KIIs for me the ATCs winning every single time (a lot depends on the engineer i know). Eventually I’ll have to step outside to find out.
Sure thing about the mastering guys on ATC, and of course Sterling sound know what they’re doing and have tonnes of years experience with that side of things! They’re not massively hyped either of them, and I think thanks to the midrange of the ATC, you can get a good translation from system to system. In terms of mixing though, I do prefer the detail on the Kiis. I usually do 90% of the mixing on just the kii 3 and then the last bit on the bxt. The detail kind of feels like it’s harder to listen back to music to enjoy it on the Kiis, like it’s enjoyable on the ATC for me. With the ATC on 25/45 I just couldn’t hear enough detail to correct resonant frequencies on recording, and with the Kiis the first thing I did, was subtractive EQ and I instantly found my mixes to come out more balanced at the end of the day. So I stuck with them.
Depending on where you are in the world, I’d definitely recommend some places you could hear them out properly. Your room is obviously going to be different to mine - so whatever is more suitable for you and getting you better mixes/results is the right option! Let me know where you’re at - and I can hopefully recommend some places!
would i be able to get rid of my amps if i use this active speaker?...Would I be able to just go strait from the pre amp to the speaker with a balanced xlr cable...?
You wouldn’t need pre-amps with these speakers no.. but do you mean from your interface to the speakers? You’d just need line outputs of some sort yep! Let me know 🙌
Do you have experience with the scm45a's? If so, how do they compare. Thanks
Absolutely! 2nd best to these in my opinion! But they’re a good bit smaller - albeit still a big monitor! They’re more suitable (just about) for the near fields if you’re looking down that route. The front facing bass ports help as well somewhat, and the sweet spot is super wide on the 45a possibly better than any atc, up to the 200 kind of level, dual mid cone set up! The dispersion feels really solid, and the S spec tweeter shares from the 50 as well. The amp pack changes on the 50 however! It’s basically under powering the 50, so they don’t have to work as hard seemingly! The 45a however are plenty loud enough and 100% worth an audition if you get the chance!
@@lapwingstudio Is it worth paying the extra few k for the 50’s? I should have made it clear, I was trying to get more info on the 50’s in comparison to the 45’s , because I own the 45’s. Thanks for your input though!
@@MrDddrrrggg ahh ok! Yeah so the 50’s generally; a fair bit heavier, upgraded amp pack (which sounds awesome), the footprint is obviously different with them being portrait as a opposed to horizontal, though I’d still say the sweet spot is still very wide (and wider than I’d expect from a sort of line array layout). If I was to have them straight into my set up - I’d much prefer to have them soffit mounted personally, to have the bass a touch more controlled and focused. Though I’ve seen people with 110’s free standing, so I guess it depends how big/the shape of your room as well! Is there anything else you’re looking for with these? And depending on where you are in the world, you might be able to get a pair to audition in your room!
Do you hear any noticeable lack in low end ? Hesitating between the 100's & 50's
I personally think the low end is pretty quiet, but I’m talking like sub 200hz kind of roll off.. the 100asl is the same amp pack I believe, but I imagine those cones will be more suited for the extra low end. I’d definitely recommend auditioning them if you can though. Are you based in the UK? 🧐
@@lapwingstudio I know the 100's which are insane!! in terms of size the 5O's seem better suited but never heard them... I do come around Scotland & London quite often, Paris based
@@PadBoll yeah I do think the 50asl are great. And if you did ever think you needed more lows you could add one of their new sub scs70 - and you can adjust that independently which is great too. Studiocare in Liverpool (Uk) are the guys I’d recommend for this, and they let me try the speakers out too. So it was really helpful to work out the Room this way!
amazing speaker. midrange amazing. I use 100s at home. amazing actives for home stereo. Isoacoustic Gaia isolators improve the sound a lot
Oh good shout I’ll try that out!!
How far away were you sitting from them when you were set up?
Various different places! Sometimes 1m away sometimes super far/ and close! I tried all sorts and in different rooms.
@@lapwingstudio probably nothing to do with the low end you’re lacking and more to do with cohesiveness, but the northward acoustics guy claims you need to be AT LEAST 2m away from the 50ASL’s which is sad because that’s just not very practical for me. There’s no guarantee that I’d be in the same room and that the next room will be big enough. Too big of an investment to not be able to use it in more situations
@@dougleydorite absolutely! But then again, the northward rooms.. are very expensive as well! And of the ones I’ve seen them build - they’re usually soffit mounted, which I’m sure would help considerably. There is bass there for sure, just not the blooming low end I’m familiar with and have come across on lots of other brands and models! And it’s a personal preference of course. Saying that, I’d still have a pair of these or bigger if I had the spare money! No questions at all
@@lapwingstudio I wish ATC did a 45 model but vertical instead of horizontal. I always go back to the 45, but that horizontal layout is limiting for speaker placement. A good speaker is useless without good Speaker placement and listening position imo (that’s how I get my bass right with my current speakers)
They’re not a “weird mid bit” these were the first model atc released 😂.
FIFTY KILOS at that size, man alive those boxes aren't empty then.
Haha! Absolutely. Definitely recommend a 2 person lift 🙌
Rather like PSI . But that's taste .
He's wrong about the bass he mentioned, the quality of bass is all down to the front end components been used. He is using a poorer quality front end. He is only a young bloke and doesn't know what quality components are to get the best out the monitors. The monitors will sound good or bad by the components used, and he is probably used to boom boom bass, and not quality tight bass with excellent quality front end components.
Sorry to hear you think that, these are just my opinions on the monitors. And the “front end” is a mastering grade -126db super low noise A/D Neve Genesys Black conversion.. so I disagree. But as always, I’d say have a listen for yourself and hear them in your space with your converters and or acoustic treatment to have a stronger opinion 🙌
@@lapwingstudio neve are just overhyped expensive average only studio grade rubbish. They are not what constitutes as high end audio grade quality components, they are just average studio grade mixing desks. Don't believe the hype or specs of the neve component quality. Just like TEAC TASCAM studio grade components for example, which are utter garbage components. Mixing desks are utter rubbish as regards to quality, as compared to running straight from a high quality dac front end single component with no mixing desk in the signal path for instance, and including the shortest cables as possible. Tell me again I don't know what I am talking about. You have a lot to learn yet, you are young and do not have a long time of experience. You also yet do not know as what constitutes as excellent audio components quality wise. Mixing desks are just the bugbear of what constitutes as poor audio quality rubbish and not high audio grade quality unfortunately. As regards the kii 3, they do not constitute as high quality natural sound. They are a poor excuse as regards to what constitutes as high quality natural sounding monitors, with their class D switching artifacts amplification, along with their metallic drive units, the total opposite of what does not constitute for natural high quality playback natural sounding monitors. The poorer class D technology in the kii's is already outdated, and are a poor excuse as to be called high quality. Class D amplification is not high quality and never will be, because of the severe penalty that class D switching artifacts has on the quality of pure sound. The next new technology thing after the current class D, is ganfet switching technology, and even this new technology has artificial switching artifacts which still need filtering to the high frequency switching artifacts they produce, and as such they still have affect on pure natural sound quality. As such the new ganfet switching devices are not what stands for high quality pure natural quality sound, because they also need high frequency switching filtering which effects pure natural sound quality. CLASS A / AB does not need switching artifact filtration, and as such it is still the purest form of amplification currently available.
That guy is a troll and trolls like that are making it easier for quality brands to succeed because nobody wants to be a part of a community like that. Good thing the sound is the only thing that matters
@@johnny_blz haha! Good shout! 😆🔥