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I’d love to get hold of some!! Definitely worth an audition.. both very bright / extended top end, so have a see if you can hear them side by side! If you’re in Uk, have a word with Studiocare 🙌

Ahh! I haven’t heard the genelecs unfortunately, but for the mm27 they have a very high extended top end, which I think sounds great on classic timbre and top end details. The sub/bass are greatly extended as well, in terms of separation & hearing where transients finish. But I’d say the midrange is somewhat strange.. sounds a bit “small” if that makes any sense! But at this price point, any good retailer will let you have a more extensive listening test (hopefully at your own place too!) so you can decide if they’re right for you. Ive heard the people at genelec are super helpful too! Let me know if I can help!

You wouldn’t need pre-amps with these speakers no.. but do you mean from your interface to the speakers? You’d just need line outputs of some sort yep! Let me know 🙌

Ive worked on both ATC SCM 300s, 150 and 50s, 25as. Id take my kii threes (in a non purpose built room mind you) over any of them.

Hey Jonny! Unfortunately I’ve not yet tried anything there! Genelecs are typically “cleaner” which might feel flatter. But ultimately, if you did want to look at buying a set of any, I’d definitely get in touch with a preferred dealer, and if they’re not happy to let you audition the speakers - go elsewhere! Most of the shops selling good quality monitors at that price point will be open to an email or call about you listening to them properly! So definitely try that out 👌 good luck with your search! 🙌

@@lapwingstudio thanks for the comment back man ill take that advice and try and speak to some dealers who can advise me further . So much stuff to research and consider before spending loads on a new set of loudspeakers i wanna be sure .

they work still the same way, ATC cant bend laws of physics lol.

@@DrSamE Can you give me a list of the laws of physics? LOL

@@Joe-mi4jw is that comment a joke? but yeah anyways. All ported speakers behave the same way, there are factors you can change. And like in ATC's its low Q. But there are many many other similiar ported speakers and subs.

Hahah! I totally hear you! That still sounds great though.. other than the finances of course! I’m glad it’s always improving (sort of!) and thanks so much for the comment and experience 👍

Nice one! Thanks a lot, hope you’re well 🙌

Ahh!! Interesting! Yeah it’s a weird one. If you’re ever down this way. Try them out playing wise, that was the most noticeable to me strangely but harder to describe 😂

Sure, I hear that! It’s a tough sell on TH-cam, but they’ve definitely been underrepresented in the music mixing world for sure 😅👌

And completely new level of perception after some time spent working on them. Kii Three forced me to become much better in what I'm aiming for in music production. Real benchmark in every sense.

@@sonolumina nice!! Glad to hear it 🙌🔥 smashing it!

@@sonolumina yes you really need to work on them few hours before your brain really understand what's going on with this ultra fast response time and all the details.

An interesting speaker, which I have heard, and your idea of nothing in front makes a lot of sense. However, as you have a studio I can't understand why you don't show measurements of the difference with and without the BXTs and with and without the console in front pf the speakers.

I’ve seen them listed for anything from 20-30k in pounds GBP, second hand obviously less. And if you’re claiming the vat back.. a lot less 🙌

For doing what I do in working, I can personally get better result with the kiis. But for listening to music in a wider sweet spot, like a cinema or for tracking music.. it’s hard to go wrong with the Atc monitors mate. But at this level, there’s definitely a big part being “personal taste”

Two completely different worlds. Kii's response time is wayyyy faster with 0 distortion. Plus you have this on the entire frequency band. ATC are cool and pleasant to ear. Kii give you the reality

I tracked a record on ATCs at redbull studio Berlin (130k ATC rig with dual subs). I also did the premixes there. Once I got home I had to remix everything on the Kiis and we even retracked the vocals at mine.

It’s about 1.5m from each other at the tweeter and I’m a bit closer like 1.2m at my head. They’re angled a little bit inwards. But this is only for my room, and that’s the best for me personally! It will depend on each room obviously and how wide you might want to hear something! 🙌

Do you use their filters?

@@Dav7Music nope! Can’t stand them for my room personally! And the amount of suggested boost and cuts to make it flat, was a couple of db or more, and it was sounding a bit funky to me.. and also turn off all the room control contour settings for boundary walls. Not keen on them either! But again, just for my room

Hmm I’m not entirely sure which site or year model you’re looking at currently? But the S spec tweeter is the most recent of the speaker designs on the tweeter I believe. So if it’s not that tweeter specifically I’d imagine it would be an earlier model. For example the atc 25 has now just had the upgraded S spec tweeter included I think since 2022 or so? You can tell by the housing around the tweeter. And they call it the mk2. Otherwise the same speaker (albeit a slightly bigger cabinet - but not much bigger at all). I’ve auditioned the pair of the mk1 and mk2 - they’re very close to me personally - but the highs sounded a touch wider on the mk2. Though if the price difference on the 2nd hand market was big enough, I’d grab the mk1 for sure! The midrange is the driver you’re paying for anyway!!! Just the S spec on the mk2 is now joining that same family as originally was only in the 45ASL and up!

You can absolutely use them in a home environment! In fact if I had the budget I’d get Atc speakers everywhere I’m watching TV and things like that. The midrange feels softer and more listenable over a longer amount of time to me! So it’s good option! Just depending on your size of room and where you position the speakers in there, to get the best bass response and overall sound

I hear where you’re coming from, but all the mics required different and more importantly preferential treatment to what I personally like the sound of.. so I didn’t want to colour the sound at all with any unintended bias at all. Purely just to show what they sound like without anything else other than the mic at play, from an engineering point of view 👍

how do you liike it? I was thinking about selling my Neumann U87ai and getting one but now im thiinking about getting the flea 251.

@@PoppybLuntz The u87AI is the biggest scam ever, it costs around 300$ to produce them and they're selling it for around 3k, that's crazy, the news u87 sound like crap, I suggest you to sell it ASAP and get that FLEA you won't regret it.

Thanks for your thoughts Stu! The weird thing with this, if you check out my other video of the actual singing. I swear my own bock is way brighter than other peoples 😅🤷‍♂️ I’ve heard before people saying the bock is a little darker, but I haven’t personally found that with mine! I’ll be interested to see what UAD do with their bock recreation too..

Nice one ok! Thanks for checking it out 🙌 The pop filter is a foam insert & on a “pop audio” (Uk company I think?)

Ahh interesting! I saw your videos too! Great job 👌 🔥

@@lapwingstudio Thanks!

Thanks for checking it out Tim!! Hoping to check out the new bock 251 vs the old bock 251 soon too!! 🙌 which one did you prefer here? 🤔

@@lapwingstudio well you know I am biased. I think the FLEA sounds pretty darn good :)

@@timcampbell3904 hah! Well the capsule does sound incredible 🥹 I think the mid range has the best translation for whatever reason, on the flea. And I had to do way less de-essing to flea, as it sound smoother on the top end. I did think they all sounded slightly different though - but more of a “preference” than ever a problem 🤔😅

@@lapwingstudio I agree. I have shared this link. I think that it's great that you are enough brave to share such raw performances. This is really what we need to hear to truly be able to judge

@@timcampbell3904 hah thanks Tim, I was very close to not posting this because of my tuning and things, but ultimately this is what I’d want to hear objectively when I’m searching TH-cam myself! So I stuck with it! I also started doing a processed with full instrumental, but then processed the mics all differently, so it started to get even more “what I personally would do to each mic”, as opposed to someone else and their own treatment preferences! Thanks for sharing too 🙌 feel free to reach out any time! LapwingStudio@gmail.com - have a good one!

Really? I haven’t heard it to be honest, it’s definitely in a different price point though! 🙌

Yeah, I do like the telefunken! I put this on Instagram and had mixed feedback on the flea too. I think that’s class in the mids

@@lapwingstudio which one do you like the best?

@@realtalkroscoeg on this particular session! I preferred tele 251 on male vocals and flea 251 on female.. but I own the bock 251 and I genuinely think you can make great records with all three, just more of less EQ and de-essing.. so take your pick! 😅

​@@lapwingstudio Bock was the harshest one of all and duller on the top end considering the price - Flea is a winner here.

@@natura808yeah i’m feeling the Flea 251, I just got it back

Absolutely! 2nd best to these in my opinion! But they’re a good bit smaller - albeit still a big monitor! They’re more suitable (just about) for the near fields if you’re looking down that route. The front facing bass ports help as well somewhat, and the sweet spot is super wide on the 45a possibly better than any atc, up to the 200 kind of level, dual mid cone set up! The dispersion feels really solid, and the S spec tweeter shares from the 50 as well. The amp pack changes on the 50 however! It’s basically under powering the 50, so they don’t have to work as hard seemingly! The 45a however are plenty loud enough and 100% worth an audition if you get the chance!

@@lapwingstudio Is it worth paying the extra few k for the 50’s? I should have made it clear, I was trying to get more info on the 50’s in comparison to the 45’s , because I own the 45’s. Thanks for your input though!

@@MrDddrrrggg ahh ok! Yeah so the 50’s generally; a fair bit heavier, upgraded amp pack (which sounds awesome), the footprint is obviously different with them being portrait as a opposed to horizontal, though I’d still say the sweet spot is still very wide (and wider than I’d expect from a sort of line array layout). If I was to have them straight into my set up - I’d much prefer to have them soffit mounted personally, to have the bass a touch more controlled and focused. Though I’ve seen people with 110’s free standing, so I guess it depends how big/the shape of your room as well! Is there anything else you’re looking for with these? And depending on where you are in the world, you might be able to get a pair to audition in your room!

Yes! Soon I hope 😅🤞

Please

It’s been a month already . Any singer that can do just one take using both mics at the same distance with same brand preamp . How hard it’s that? Where you live so I go and sing on the mic ?