I remember that in legends an officer asked a stormtrooper why they respected Lord Vader so much. And he simply answered, “because he won’t ask us to do something he wouldn’t do himself, he is in the front with us, not in orbit inside a star destroyer”
One thing I love about Legends is that the Stormtroopers respected the heck out of Vader. Vader may have been terrifying, but he at least fought in the thick of the battle right by their side, was not afraid to get his hands dirty, and did not appreciate incompetent officers needlessly endangering everyone. If you notice Vader kills a lot of officers, but almost never an actual stormtrooper bar some specific instances.
I can make a good parallel comparison here: It's a LOT like the British Imperial Military pre WW2. Think WW1 era British officer corps and you're pretty spot on. Where the officers are all "upper crust brits" and the rest are normal people.
The officers where also notoriously incompetent regularly shooting down projects because they were expensive and then when they finally did get made and proved to be ludicrously effective they tried bashing it because it made them look bad. Seriously the amount of things that got delayed because it rubbed some pompous rich idiot the most slightly wrong way is absurd, and the amount of lousy projects that passed because it strokes said idiots ego is also absurd. Not to mention the people who were held back demoted and even court marshaled for refusing to lick their gold plated taint is ridiculous.
Same with German troops, especially in WW2... but at least they had been partly competent, besides the war crimes. German troops until after WW1 hated their officers - Soldiers were blue and white collar workers, while the officers usually came from an aristocratic background.
Like it is in every single military in the world today. If you can't afford college and decided to join rest assured you'll be an infantryman or vehicle/aircraft/equipment maintainer.
Imperial **Naval** officers. Incompetent field officers usually didn’t survive long enough to make it up the ranks. The officers who led them on the ground were usually skilled, but had to clean up the messes created by Imperial naval officers who were often incompetent. (“General Veers. Prepare your men…..”)
There is that one silver lining. The imperial army, stormtrooper corp, and starfighter corp are a bit more merit based when it comes to people in command.
Nah, the Republic is more like 'we don't give a shit about normal people, let's just think about our money and screw morals' and the Empire is like 'we want to control everything, obey us or else'.
The worst part about having an imperial officer as your boss is probably being ordered to execute or punish your own friends while knowing that the officer themselves is in the wrong
0:10 'professed' being the key word there. It really doesn't matter what the Republic said that they supported, it matters what they were actually like. And in terms of their corruption and depravity, they were not significantly different than the Empire. Heck, most of the Empire's major flaws that caused them to fail and treat people badly came from the Republic. The officer class being corrupt, incompetent and scummy had been an issue in the Republic for not hundreds but *thousands* of years (play SWTOR and you'll see it first hand), even after the Ruusan Reformation this tradition continued in the Judicials and in various wealthy local defense forces.
The Empire DID want good soldiers. It was the decent ones they feared. After all, good soldiers follow orders, while decent ones follow the ideals they're told they represent.
Awh, Imperial Guard, or Imperial Stormtroopers...one thing is in common. There is always factions, and backstabbing within the Galactic Empire. Or the Imperium of Man for that matter. 😂
You gotta wonder why Vader didn't push back hard against that system. The guy did genuinely believe in the empire and hated incompetence. So why stand aside and let all that happen?
2:25 That isn't really a fair comparison because the clone officers were mostly not the equivalent to Imperial officers but rather stormtrooper officers, who did earn their ranks. 6:03 This could only be said to be true in Canon. The EU just suggests that a lot of people generally didn't like the clones much, not imperial officers specifically. But the fact that The Bad Batch had the Empire making clones obsolete isn't really evidence of this because by Season 2, the show clearly suggests that *Palpatine has some reason for wanting to make the clones obsolete* given how he manipulated the narrative in regards to the Tipoca City attack. Obviously, this doesn't line up with the lore, since Palpatine actually liked the clones, or at least he did in the EU where the clones were made obsolete for more understandable reasons such as being too susceptible to sabotage, and the newer Spaarti clones were just plain incompetent compared to the Kaminoan ones. As far the idea that Imperials hated the clones because they were 'just too good', the show only suggests that with Wilco, so that is just speculation. The show and to be honest most Filoni related stuff suggests that clones are *too morally good to work for the Empire,* since it usually suggests that clones are disgusted by the Empire's actions (which clashes with the AOTC idea that they are programmed to loyal, but whatever). Yes, it makes the claim that stormtroopers are inept in general, but that is more easy to disprove than the arguably subjective claim of moral goodness. Although the show does raise some even more weird questions by suggesting that clones somehow have a superior moral compass to regular people despite the clones being raised to be obedient soldiers.
Facts man. Facts. It's just that stupid ol cliche that everything antagonistic should be incompetent for the sake of it. And i don't even understand how it's still a thing. But tbh what else did we expect from biased narrative anyways? Proper research, logic? Nah, just another "clones superior in everything cause Filoni said so" claim...
Because they were OFFICERS- a lot of officers tend to be trash who don't care about the Enlisted folks, outside of how useful they are to their promotions.
(Star wars Cross overs) Star wars yuuzhan vs halo Elite: DEMON!!! vong: HERETIC!!! (vong in star trek ) Borg: Resistance is futile Vong: ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE!!! Imperium of man: STOP STEALING MY RACISM AND MY LINES!!!!
Sorry to be the guy kinda bringing RL politics into things, but am I the only one who took one look at the imperial officer woman in the thumbnail and thought "spitting image of Tulsi Gabbard" 🤣
I bet a Stormtrooper was making faces beneath his helmet at the Imperial Officer he loathed so much
"Never have that damn thing on in front of me!"
I could see that happen, like sticking his tongue out
@@enoughothis”Ready, Kafka?”
“What’s your designation, trooper?”
“TK-FKU, sir!”
“‘FKU?’”
“SKU, sir!”
@isaackim7675 i hear that laugh from that name
I remember that in legends an officer asked a stormtrooper why they respected Lord Vader so much. And he simply answered, “because he won’t ask us to do something he wouldn’t do himself, he is in the front with us, not in orbit inside a star destroyer”
That part of Anakin continued despite his fall to the dark side.
That was Erv Lekauf, who Vader paid for the medical treatment of after the man was badly burned on a mission.
One thing I love about Legends is that the Stormtroopers respected the heck out of Vader. Vader may have been terrifying, but he at least fought in the thick of the battle right by their side, was not afraid to get his hands dirty, and did not appreciate incompetent officers needlessly endangering everyone. If you notice Vader kills a lot of officers, but almost never an actual stormtrooper bar some specific instances.
I can make a good parallel comparison here:
It's a LOT like the British Imperial Military pre WW2. Think WW1 era British officer corps and you're pretty spot on. Where the officers are all "upper crust brits" and the rest are normal people.
And the further down history you go, the more true that fact is.
The officers where also notoriously incompetent regularly shooting down projects because they were expensive and then when they finally did get made and proved to be ludicrously effective they tried bashing it because it made them look bad.
Seriously the amount of things that got delayed because it rubbed some pompous rich idiot the most slightly wrong way is absurd, and the amount of lousy projects that passed because it strokes said idiots ego is also absurd. Not to mention the people who were held back demoted and even court marshaled for refusing to lick their gold plated taint is ridiculous.
Same with German troops, especially in WW2... but at least they had been partly competent, besides the war crimes.
German troops until after WW1 hated their officers - Soldiers were blue and white collar workers, while the officers usually came from an aristocratic background.
Like it is in every single military in the world today. If you can't afford college and decided to join rest assured you'll be an infantryman or vehicle/aircraft/equipment maintainer.
Imperial **Naval** officers. Incompetent field officers usually didn’t survive long enough to make it up the ranks.
The officers who led them on the ground were usually skilled, but had to clean up the messes created by Imperial naval officers who were often incompetent.
(“General Veers. Prepare your men…..”)
There is that one silver lining. The imperial army, stormtrooper corp, and starfighter corp are a bit more merit based when it comes to people in command.
@ Natural Selection. 😏
The republic: everyone is equal
The empire: you say one thing you die
Nah, the Republic is more like 'we don't give a shit about normal people, let's just think about our money and screw morals' and the Empire is like 'we want to control everything, obey us or else'.
I don't remember anything in the Old Republic or the waning days of that government having everything equal. Complete bs on that statement of yours.
The worst part about having an imperial officer as your boss is probably being ordered to execute or punish your own friends while knowing that the officer themselves is in the wrong
Stormtroopers hated the officers because their rations actually had taste.
We salute the rank, not the man
So pretty muchanagement in the service industry
0:10 'professed' being the key word there. It really doesn't matter what the Republic said that they supported, it matters what they were actually like. And in terms of their corruption and depravity, they were not significantly different than the Empire. Heck, most of the Empire's major flaws that caused them to fail and treat people badly came from the Republic. The officer class being corrupt, incompetent and scummy had been an issue in the Republic for not hundreds but *thousands* of years (play SWTOR and you'll see it first hand), even after the Ruusan Reformation this tradition continued in the Judicials and in various wealthy local defense forces.
The Empire DID want good soldiers. It was the decent ones they feared.
After all, good soldiers follow orders, while decent ones follow the ideals they're told they represent.
A game from the stormtroopers perspective would've been so good
i would be a volunteer to fight for the empire, for a safe and secure society
Awh, Imperial Guard, or Imperial Stormtroopers...one thing is in common. There is always factions, and backstabbing within the Galactic Empire. Or the Imperium of Man for that matter.
😂
Mildly tepid doesn't make your hatred sound very passionate at all, lmao
You gotta wonder why Vader didn't push back hard against that system. The guy did genuinely believe in the empire and hated incompetence. So why stand aside and let all that happen?
2:25 That isn't really a fair comparison because the clone officers were mostly not the equivalent to Imperial officers but rather stormtrooper officers, who did earn their ranks.
6:03 This could only be said to be true in Canon. The EU just suggests that a lot of people generally didn't like the clones much, not imperial officers specifically. But the fact that The Bad Batch had the Empire making clones obsolete isn't really evidence of this because by Season 2, the show clearly suggests that *Palpatine has some reason for wanting to make the clones obsolete* given how he manipulated the narrative in regards to the Tipoca City attack. Obviously, this doesn't line up with the lore, since Palpatine actually liked the clones, or at least he did in the EU where the clones were made obsolete for more understandable reasons such as being too susceptible to sabotage, and the newer Spaarti clones were just plain incompetent compared to the Kaminoan ones.
As far the idea that Imperials hated the clones because they were 'just too good', the show only suggests that with Wilco, so that is just speculation. The show and to be honest most Filoni related stuff suggests that clones are *too morally good to work for the Empire,* since it usually suggests that clones are disgusted by the Empire's actions (which clashes with the AOTC idea that they are programmed to loyal, but whatever). Yes, it makes the claim that stormtroopers are inept in general, but that is more easy to disprove than the arguably subjective claim of moral goodness. Although the show does raise some even more weird questions by suggesting that clones somehow have a superior moral compass to regular people despite the clones being raised to be obedient soldiers.
Facts man. Facts.
It's just that stupid ol cliche that everything antagonistic should be incompetent for the sake of it. And i don't even understand how it's still a thing.
But tbh what else did we expect from biased narrative anyways? Proper research, logic? Nah, just another "clones superior in everything cause Filoni said so" claim...
@@elonmusk2388 exactly lol
Because they were OFFICERS- a lot of officers tend to be trash who don't care about the Enlisted folks, outside of how useful they are to their promotions.
(Star wars Cross overs)
Star wars yuuzhan vs halo
Elite: DEMON!!!
vong: HERETIC!!!
(vong in star trek )
Borg: Resistance is futile
Vong: ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE!!!
Imperium of man: STOP STEALING MY RACISM AND MY LINES!!!!
"Stormtrooper superior rebel scum inferior."
Soundwave would easily blend in among the Imperial Military.
@@TheWarmachine375 he would be right at home.
Sorry to be the guy kinda bringing RL politics into things, but am I the only one who took one look at the imperial officer woman in the thumbnail and thought "spitting image of Tulsi Gabbard" 🤣
No wonder the Empire fell apart within 20 years when the quality of the military went to the sewers after the Clone Wars
Who else hates the mistreatment of the clones?
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