"Nobody wins, everybody loses and nobody accomplishes anything. It's like stalemate, except the goal is to pass time until the audience gets bored and leaves."
@@whitehawk4099for a grand total of… 1 generation, give or take. It’s quite a statement that the multi-millennia republic you’ve overthrown also sees _you_ overthrown in less than one percent of that duration.
@@52flyingbicycles they honestly rarely do. It’s partly understandable - there’s no precedent for a galaxy-spanning civilization with planet populations up to and above 3 trillion people. And hey, as long as the suspension of disbelief holds, they can get away with it. But it’d be nice if they paid a bit more attention to these kinds of details.
Aside from what Palpatine did, I can see only see these as alternatives for the Republic: 1 Withdraw to just the Core Worlds and the Colonies and govern what left of its territories like how the Eastern Roman Empire governed the Balkans and Anatolia in the aftermath of the Early Muslim conquests. 2 Reorganize into something similar to Austria-Hungary with something similar to the Compromise of 1867 with the Core Worlds functioned as Austria while the Outer Rim functioned as Hungary in this case. 3 Find someone else who is not Palpatine but more similar to the ones such as Sultan Abdulhamid II and given him all the executive powers while the Senate is put on indefinite pause until otherwise.
Creating a more safe, and secure society. More seriously though, the Republic was basically unsalvageable without, well, what happened over the course of the prequel movies by the point of the Phantom Menace. It was either Dooku's plan of secession, or Palpatine's plan of republican recapitulation. The Jedi Order is simpler, though not much less challenging. Get rid of Yoda from the council, and put him into a long deserved retirement. Remove most of the council and replace them with people like Dooku rather than Jocasta Nu. Pull back from policing actions as you replenish the forces of the Jedi Order. In doing so, send more Jedi out on exploratory missions in the Outer Rim - Anakin is surely not the only child with Force sensitivity who has been missed by the Jedi. If there are too many children, you may have to go to a two-apprentice system instead of the single master and apprentice system.
@@ryandunham1047 Preferably that would also be altered, along with certain other practises, but I deemed those too radical to be accepted by the old guard, and they would require years to implement, possibly a decade or longer. Yoda's retirement (presented as taking time away from the stresses of regular decision making and preparing for the time when he would not be with them when they could still call on his wisdom when needed) would be accepted, but increasing the age of recruitment all at once would require an overhaul of the entire organisation's training practises extremely quickly. Instead, it could be done by practise trials where various methods are tested, and Jedi are exposed to seeing how such a process would work. For example, some Masters could take on a secondary, adult padawan so that they could absorb the spiritual teachings and culture of the Jedi along with the technical knowledge. As different methods of teaching are tried the Jedi both get the more effective method, and become accustomed to the idea of incorporating older students into their midst. That is the hope at least.
@@ryandunham1047 I would establish a secular alternative to the Jedi order. The Jal Shey were an ancient order of users who studied the Force from a purely intellectual perspective, forsaking the more spiritual paths taken by the Jedi and Sith. I would spread their teachings via special schools. Unlike the Jedi Order, the Zeison Sha did not separate Force-sensitive children from their parents for training. I would replicate their methods to educate fellow students. They would be taught to be doctors , engineers, explorers and agriculturalists like the Jedi service corps. These would contribute far more to society than space warrior monks.
The Republic needed massive reforms and changes, and needed to be purged of corporate influence. The Jedi also needed major reforms and changes. But both refused and resisted change and thus they collapsed. One thing George was trying to show is that yes Democracy is good, religion is good, but if not careful both can lead to the worse tyranny imaginable. Thus we should always be wary and cautious to ensure that doesn’t happen in real life. Sadly people were complaining so much about CGI and weird dialogue I don’t think they got the very important message of the prequels. I was hoping the sequels would show us the solutions by showing us how Leia was reforming and restructuring the New Republic to ensure an Empire couldn’t rise again, while Luke was doing the same for the Jedi Order to ensure the Sith could never rise again, but that would have been a far too philosophical and complex story for the Disney writers to make apparently
Mon Mothma: "Old Republic was corrupt, inefficient and weak." Also Mon Mothma: "Let's demilitarize, not keep an eye on Imperial Remnants or chase after every ranking member in Imperial power structure."
I think that problem was the galactic republic system especially during its founding was created to core Worlds and their colonies but due to it rapid expansion during certain times in its history made become to big to govern correctly
Trade agreements are all they really needed but that leads to a unified regulated currency over time, followed by an army for mutual defense, etc etc. Layers upon layers.
This was a really good video. I've started to see a lot of parallels between the Holy Roman Empire and the Galactic Republic. The Republic really isn't a democracy, instead it has a limited electorate who vote for a Chancellor who themself is often a de facto figurehead. The core difference between the HRE and the Republic is that the Republic's electorate class also act as the Galactic government legislature rather than the head of state, but otherwise, the Republic is not very strong, and like the HRE, it was mostly kept around as a point of principle/traditions rather than for any practical purpose.
I am always amazed by the fact that there are so many detaills in the Star Wars galaxy, even about things and topics that may seem insignificant to most people...
These guys? Oh, I understand the hate on them, but even then, it's sometimes overblown. No, "braindead" would be the definition of the Earth Federation in Universal Century Gundam. Just look at how much their apathy in Gundam ZZ did much damage compared to the Neo-Zeon invasion.
From what I gathered, it was structured in a matter that guaranteed that no decision could be made final. There would be a guaranteed deadlock, and that there were no actual Checks & Balances. Also an important reminder. Palpatine didn’t corrupt the system, he just made it manageable on his end.
@@azureheart2846 I see. Still, I would appreciate it if you point out where these flaws are (or at least where I can find them in the video's content). Thank you for replying.
I would not call a civilization that endures in one form or another for a little over 25000 years to be a failure. Every system designed by human or in SW's case sentient hands will eventually fail. The amount of time it lasts, and the good it does before that end is how you can judge it. Like this channel has quoted before there had never been anything like the Galactic Republic in the SW galaxy before, and it will never truly be replaced. It passes into myth and legend, Taking the same place in their galaxy that Rome does in ours.
The Republic was lucky that their enemies tend to be either arrogant or end up start fighting amongst themselves. The Old Sith Empire, Exar Kun, Revan and Malak, the Reborn Sith Empire, the Sith Triumvirate, the New Sith Order, Kaan's Brotherhood of Darkness, etc.
@@lisboah Fortune has a hand in it. Though SW is very much a setting where the Force is far more interventionist and benevolent deity than you tend to find in space settings. The Republic for most of its history despite its many many flaws represented virtue. The Sith anything but. The Republic was preserved until that virtue had been all but extinguished. At which point it finally faced its own fall.
Similar to the varios country parlaments they move by interest but sometimes the interest of the country is not always for the good of all and the citizens usually suffers from bad things that look good on paper.
Welp the Galactic Republic is similar to the US gov but worse & stuck in post Great Depression time for about 1000 years with little to no progress (not just technological) at all😂
Well, considering that US Government System is one of the best in the world that's saying something. Ironically the most trusted part of US government is the armed forces/military since almost all their incompetency can be tracked back to either congress or president making counterintuitive decision rather than from their own Generals and Admiralty.
Mon Mothma: Watches Corrupt republic vote in a dictator to save them from war since they had no military. Fights a war to get rid of the dictator Also Mon Mothma: Creates another corrupt republic with no military leading to many wishing for another empire *Gets invaded by imperial remnant* Mon Mothma: Surprised Pikachu face.
No, she had to deal with the people who have the most serious Old World Blues I've ever seen... and they make up the majority of the Rebellion... ... you can do math, right?
3:06-3:11: Only a month, you dissapoint me, Geetsly, with how much you can talk about and explain, I would expect it would at least take three months. LOL. Also, is this a snippit from a much longer video? At first I didn't think it was because you included the intro: "Attachen! Sarget on deck!" And the first 4 minutes of the video was definitly newer content, but then the last chapter of the video when you started talking about the Senate itself it sound like a lot of similar stuff from a previous video, I think the only new info was that stuff about the Minister of Defense and then it just cuts off at the end without an outro.
@@kingorange7739 Very strange. Oh, I completely forgot about our plan to write Star Wars Hot Take comments on Geetsly's next video in order to get people to respond so we could find more Star Wars Fanfic writers for our project. Sorry, King Orange, I got so distracted by my own question if this video was snippit or not that I forgot to excute are completely full proof plan. XD.
@@whitehawk4099 Were creating our own Star Wars Continuity, basically its going to be a bunch of stories written by many different people with cooperation and discussion between people to keep all the stories and characters both real Star Wars ones and OCs consistant in our own continuity. Its essentially a fan version of the old EU were many different writers created all those different books, comics, video games, and so on that were all linked together in continuity. Theres even different tiers of Canon just like with the regular Star Wars Continuity, with of course, the first six movies being the highest level of Canon. It was all King Orange's brilliant idea.
That losing a monopoly on ftl travel means at best a weak central government or the galaxy divided into competing factions. In 40k without a navigator or sufficiently strong psyker ftl travel is basically suicide and certainly not practical for the maintaining of a territorial spanning entity.
![How Useless were the other Republic Senators on the Galactic Senate? [Clone Wars]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qXzzjOtNRRY/mqdefault.jpg)
"Nobody wins, everybody loses and nobody accomplishes anything. It's like stalemate, except the goal is to pass time until the audience gets bored and leaves."
This oddly sounds like the state of Disney, Star Wars and the fandom rn
that's the kabuki theater of any corrupt democracy. all to convince enough people that someone is fighting for them so no one will.
@@GGBlaster or modern America in general
Thankfully at the end of the Galactic Republic The Senate fixed everything.
😂😂😂
@@aster4jaden For a safe and secure society
@@whitehawk4099for a grand total of… 1 generation, give or take.
It’s quite a statement that the multi-millennia republic you’ve overthrown also sees _you_ overthrown in less than one percent of that duration.
I would vote for him again if we could vote. @@whitehawk4099
@@IAmTheAce5 They had plot armor. As can be seen from Rome, the Emperor's reign lasts longer.
0:34 I love how a few hundred protesters is a major protest on *coruscant.*
Minor protest: what’s the difference?
Major protest: PRESENTATION!
It may just be an issue of sci fi writers not understanding scale.
@@52flyingbicycles they honestly rarely do. It’s partly understandable - there’s no precedent for a galaxy-spanning civilization with planet populations up to and above 3 trillion people. And hey, as long as the suspension of disbelief holds, they can get away with it. But it’d be nice if they paid a bit more attention to these kinds of details.
@@GGBlaster Also remember how difficult it would be to animate/film such a thing.
@@slovakiaballif24That's why we most sometimes take the characters words over what we see in visual media.
Aside from what Palpatine did, I can see only see these as alternatives for the Republic:
1 Withdraw to just the Core Worlds and the Colonies and govern what left of its territories like how the Eastern Roman Empire governed the Balkans and Anatolia in the aftermath of the Early Muslim conquests.
2 Reorganize into something similar to Austria-Hungary with something similar to the Compromise of 1867 with the Core Worlds functioned as Austria while the Outer Rim functioned as Hungary in this case.
3 Find someone else who is not Palpatine but more similar to the ones such as Sultan Abdulhamid II and given him all the executive powers while the Senate is put on indefinite pause until otherwise.
3:50 ah, so just like in Brazil. Damn, I feel even more at home in the galaxy far far away
Pretty sure Padme was the only sensible person. Which isn’t really much but at least she tried.
Geetsly, here’s a thought experiment: How would you go about fixing the flaws of the Republic and/or Jedi Order?
Creating a more safe, and secure society.
More seriously though, the Republic was basically unsalvageable without, well, what happened over the course of the prequel movies by the point of the Phantom Menace.
It was either Dooku's plan of secession, or Palpatine's plan of republican recapitulation.
The Jedi Order is simpler, though not much less challenging.
Get rid of Yoda from the council, and put him into a long deserved retirement.
Remove most of the council and replace them with people like Dooku rather than Jocasta Nu.
Pull back from policing actions as you replenish the forces of the Jedi Order. In doing so, send more Jedi out on exploratory missions in the Outer Rim - Anakin is surely not the only child with Force sensitivity who has been missed by the Jedi.
If there are too many children, you may have to go to a two-apprentice system instead of the single master and apprentice system.
@@whitehawk4099 What about their recruiting age?
@@ryandunham1047 Preferably that would also be altered, along with certain other practises, but I deemed those too radical to be accepted by the old guard, and they would require years to implement, possibly a decade or longer.
Yoda's retirement (presented as taking time away from the stresses of regular decision making and preparing for the time when he would not be with them when they could still call on his wisdom when needed) would be accepted, but increasing the age of recruitment all at once would require an overhaul of the entire organisation's training practises extremely quickly. Instead, it could be done by practise trials where various methods are tested, and Jedi are exposed to seeing how such a process would work. For example, some Masters could take on a secondary, adult padawan so that they could absorb the spiritual teachings and culture of the Jedi along with the technical knowledge. As different methods of teaching are tried the Jedi both get the more effective method, and become accustomed to the idea of incorporating older students into their midst. That is the hope at least.
@@ryandunham1047 I would establish a secular alternative to the Jedi order. The Jal Shey were an ancient order of users who studied the Force from a purely intellectual perspective, forsaking the more spiritual paths taken by the Jedi and Sith. I would spread their teachings via special schools. Unlike the Jedi Order, the Zeison Sha did not separate Force-sensitive children from their parents for training. I would replicate their methods to educate fellow students. They would be taught to be doctors , engineers, explorers and agriculturalists like the Jedi service corps. These would contribute far more to society than space warrior monks.
@@sammit8962Where are they mentioned? They sound like a rather fascinating alternative to the Jedi.
The Republic needed massive reforms and changes, and needed to be purged of corporate influence. The Jedi also needed major reforms and changes. But both refused and resisted change and thus they collapsed.
One thing George was trying to show is that yes Democracy is good, religion is good, but if not careful both can lead to the worse tyranny imaginable. Thus we should always be wary and cautious to ensure that doesn’t happen in real life. Sadly people were complaining so much about CGI and weird dialogue I don’t think they got the very important message of the prequels.
I was hoping the sequels would show us the solutions by showing us how Leia was reforming and restructuring the New Republic to ensure an Empire couldn’t rise again, while Luke was doing the same for the Jedi Order to ensure the Sith could never rise again, but that would have been a far too philosophical and complex story for the Disney writers to make apparently
Mon Mothma: "Old Republic was corrupt, inefficient and weak."
Also Mon Mothma: "Let's demilitarize, not keep an eye on Imperial Remnants or chase after every ranking member in Imperial power structure."
That's Disney canon tho
@@stargatecommand714 Disney Canon reflects Disney itself, it's pretty funny when you think about it.
@@aster4jaden ok? Don't really care, I enjoy both the Expanded Universe/Legends as well as the Disney canon
Disney New Republic was honestly MORE brain dead than the Old Republic. New Republic is where it’s at, baby!
@@stargatecommand714it's still idiotic
I think that problem was the galactic republic system especially during its founding was created to core Worlds and their colonies but due to it rapid expansion during certain times in its history made become to big to govern correctly
Trade agreements are all they really needed but that leads to a unified regulated currency over time, followed by an army for mutual defense, etc etc. Layers upon layers.
This was a really good video. I've started to see a lot of parallels between the Holy Roman Empire and the Galactic Republic. The Republic really isn't a democracy, instead it has a limited electorate who vote for a Chancellor who themself is often a de facto figurehead. The core difference between the HRE and the Republic is that the Republic's electorate class also act as the Galactic government legislature rather than the head of state, but otherwise, the Republic is not very strong, and like the HRE, it was mostly kept around as a point of principle/traditions rather than for any practical purpose.
I am always amazed by the
fact that there are so many detaills in the Star Wars galaxy, even about things and topics that may seem insignificant to most people...
Well look on the bright side Palpatine gave them a much needed wake up call
You should put the longer video in the description when you post one of these clip videos.
And I thought the Imperium of Man was an ungoldy beuracratic mess...
you speak heresy
we serve the Emperor and the machine spirit
I smell the stench of a heretic
These guys? Oh, I understand the hate on them, but even then, it's sometimes overblown.
No, "braindead" would be the definition of the Earth Federation in Universal Century Gundam. Just look at how much their apathy in Gundam ZZ did much damage compared to the Neo-Zeon invasion.
Ah yes the feddies... I pity Revil for all of his efforts were indeed in vain
there is a reason we need to free the souls held down by gravity
the republic faild
but the senate didnt
This is a good overwiew of how the republick worked, yet still (at least for me) didn't asnwer the WHY it didn't work. Perhaps I missed something?
From what I gathered, it was structured in a matter that guaranteed that no decision could be made final. There would be a guaranteed deadlock, and that there were no actual Checks & Balances.
Also an important reminder. Palpatine didn’t corrupt the system, he just made it manageable on his end.
@@azureheart2846 I see. Still, I would appreciate it if you point out where these flaws are (or at least where I can find them in the video's content). Thank you for replying.
Imagine what could've been if the Republic had worked as Alsakan would've wanted it to...
I would not call a civilization that endures in one form or another for a little over 25000 years to be a failure.
Every system designed by human or in SW's case sentient hands will eventually fail. The amount of time it lasts, and the good it does before that end is how you can judge it. Like this channel has quoted before there had never been anything like the Galactic Republic in the SW galaxy before, and it will never truly be replaced.
It passes into myth and legend, Taking the same place in their galaxy that Rome does in ours.
The Republic was lucky that their enemies tend to be either arrogant or end up start fighting amongst themselves.
The Old Sith Empire, Exar Kun, Revan and Malak, the Reborn Sith Empire, the Sith Triumvirate, the New Sith Order, Kaan's Brotherhood of Darkness, etc.
@@lisboah Fortune has a hand in it. Though SW is very much a setting where the Force is far more interventionist and benevolent deity than you tend to find in space settings.
The Republic for most of its history despite its many many flaws represented virtue. The Sith anything but. The Republic was preserved until that virtue had been all but extinguished. At which point it finally faced its own fall.
Similar to the varios country parlaments they move by interest but sometimes the interest of the country is not always for the good of all and the citizens usually suffers from bad things that look good on paper.
No the Republic is more like the UN. Powerless, but if it were powerful it would be awful.
Soo basically imagine playing stellaris with tons of AI Empires and try to get resolutions passed in galactic community. Yeah sounds like hell.
Welp the Galactic Republic is similar to the US gov but worse & stuck in post Great Depression time for about 1000 years with little to no progress (not just technological) at all😂
Well, considering that US Government System is one of the best in the world that's saying something.
Ironically the most trusted part of US government is the armed forces/military since almost all their incompetency can be tracked back to either congress or president making counterintuitive decision rather than from their own Generals and Admiralty.
@@zidniafifamani2378 And North Korea is the best country in the world
If the Clone Troopers ran things, they'd be able to restore true Democracy yet keep everyone safe at the same time. Anyways, awesome job, man!
Because, politics is for the braindead and clones are epic gamers. Simple as that
Geetsly's can you do a character breakdown of juno eclipse, or proxy?
So the executive and legislative braches weren't separated? Smart.
The Republic always felt like a U.N. trying to act and function as a single State. It just doesn't work.
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The size and scope was only a guarantee that it would break apart eventually. The galaxy should be in theory several separate states
oh, that video ended rather abruptly ^^' still nice insight into the topic!
Yo be clear I would love a video on every sector or a series anyway
Can you do a vid on those spider looking characters in the republic senate during scene Palpatine was addressing them in the clone wars movie
It is a commentary on our own political systems.
How about that, I watch a video about a Star Wars government and get a government ad.
Its ofcourse based on our society, but bigger. You can see that this world is far from perfect, and some cannot define democracy, so problems arise.
The Republic's political structure where so braindead the video stopped half way though xD
Something tells me this video isn’t supposed to be only 8 minutes long
Am I the only one that feels this video is missing part of it?
I mean, what's with the sudden cut at the end?
Attack of the Clones is still the weaker of the prequel series but I find it's political commentary more and more relevant as I get older.
vid just kind of... ends mid thought.
All things end eventually
Mon Mothma: Watches Corrupt republic vote in a dictator to save them from war since they had no military. Fights a war to get rid of the dictator
Also Mon Mothma: Creates another corrupt republic with no military leading to many wishing for another empire
*Gets invaded by imperial remnant* Mon Mothma: Surprised Pikachu face.
No, she had to deal with the people who have the most serious Old World Blues I've ever seen... and they make up the majority of the Rebellion...
... you can do math, right?
3:06-3:11: Only a month, you dissapoint me, Geetsly, with how much you can talk about and explain, I would expect it would at least take three months. LOL.
Also, is this a snippit from a much longer video? At first I didn't think it was because you included the intro: "Attachen! Sarget on deck!" And the first 4 minutes of the video was definitly newer content, but then the last chapter of the video when you started talking about the Senate itself it sound like a lot of similar stuff from a previous video, I think the only new info was that stuff about the Minister of Defense and then it just cuts off at the end without an outro.
it is a little strange.
@@kingorange7739 Very strange.
Oh, I completely forgot about our plan to write Star Wars Hot Take comments on Geetsly's next video in order to get people to respond so we could find more Star Wars Fanfic writers for our project. Sorry, King Orange, I got so distracted by my own question if this video was snippit or not that I forgot to excute are completely full proof plan. XD.
@@zexalbrony4799 What's your project?
@@whitehawk4099 Were creating our own Star Wars Continuity, basically its going to be a bunch of stories written by many different people with cooperation and discussion between people to keep all the stories and characters both real Star Wars ones and OCs consistant in our own continuity. Its essentially a fan version of the old EU were many different writers created all those different books, comics, video games, and so on that were all linked together in continuity. Theres even different tiers of Canon just like with the regular Star Wars Continuity, with of course, the first six movies being the highest level of Canon. It was all King Orange's brilliant idea.
@@zexalbrony4799 all good, no worries. Also save those discussions for discord
What can Star Wars learn from warhammer
That losing a monopoly on ftl travel means at best a weak central government or the galaxy divided into competing factions. In 40k without a navigator or sufficiently strong psyker ftl travel is basically suicide and certainly not practical for the maintaining of a territorial spanning entity.
@@gargoyles9999Thats when Warhammer was like "HELL YEAH, FEUDALISM!!!!"
I miss the sith empire
I feel like I can become the senate 😈😈
537 views in 30 mins, the fall off needs to be studied
its just like the EU
I dont see the old republic as a state at all. Its more UN than US
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I feel like you are talking about the USA and not the republic
Space EU
Im never going to have my own family because you guys robbed me for your own selfish reasons ,
Just like the United States
Actually it's more like the European Union than it is like the U.S.
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