"This is a weapon of terror, it's made to intimidate the enemy (tosses aside TIE fighter), This (pulls out HMP droid gunship)... is a weapon of war, it is made to *kill* your enemy..."
The standard TIE fighter should have been converted into drone fighter with Ace-6 droid brains and reusing Confederacy surplus Droidekas along with Droid Gunships would have been efficient and cause the Rebel terrorists to crap out the Great Pyramid
Absolutely this. I mean, just look at the Droid tri-fighter. Those things were tiny, but absolutely nightmare inducing. Those thin slided eyes, missiles that could deploy buzz droids that could literally rip apart your ship's hull In a matter of minutes like little space piranhas, to something like the hyena bomber or vulture Droid which have very intimidating yet compact profiles. Don't get me wrong, the TIE fighter has a very intimidating sounding engine, but nothing else about the fighter looks scary at all. And I'm pretty sure, since the empire loves cheap, that most, if not all Droid fighters were a fraction of the cost of even a TIE fighter in most instances. Imagine in an ISD's hanger, let's say you can only support 200 TIE fighters. Well, with the more compact Droid fighters, you could probably double that to 400 to 600 depending on the type of Droid fighter you were fielding. And, correct me if I'm wrong, Droid fighters also didn't have hyperdrives and they could be fully programmed to be 100% loyal to the empire or whatever faction that they were serving under. You wouldn't have to worry about defections or any of your fighters running away. Have three or four squadrons of these amazing droids and their gunships stationed on imperial worlds and around outposts, and the rebels would never be able to strike any of these points given how much more sophisticated that most of these droid ships were and how easy it would be for a droid ship to outmaneuver a rebel ship
@@steelrideproductions371 What are you talking about?? There's nothing more terrifying than being screamed at by a gigantic "Letter H," as it fired lasers at you out of the sky! lol
@@jacob4920 Well, they were indeed pretty terrifying in both Andor and Battlefront 2015. Now, imagine if they made a flying 🅱, eveyone would just have a heart attack
The empire had many potential answers against the rebel aliences. But of course Dumb Moof Tarkin though they weren’t scary looking and so hardwired everyone the spam Stardestroyers at every problem even when they lose horribly.
Remember the range troopers from solo they were equipped with magnetic boots. Stormtroopers could ride on top of the hmp gunship if the empire wanted to make more of said boots.
The Empire couldn't have used the HMP Droid Gunship for the exact same reason that the Rebel Alliance couldn't have used the B1 Battle Droids; optics. After the Clone Wars, the citizens of the galaxy were incredibly terrified of, and paranoid about, Class 4 droids. (Droids that were specifically made for war) Any attempt to make military use of such droids would have resulted in a massive PR catastrophe, and both sides knew it. Ironically, Palpatine's propaganda success during the Clone Wars came back to bite him in the ass during the Galactic Civil War, because it prevented him from utilizing the one tool he had at his disposal that might have enabled him to crush the rebellion before they could have seriously threatened The Empire.
Really, Palpatine's big mistake was to shut down the droid army. He should've instead had them "escape" under the command of alleged "Separatist holdouts" who would secretly answer to him. That way, he'd continue to have a completely controlled opposition, and Imperial citizens would be much less likely to join a rebellion that's openly neo-Separatist. Instead, the Empire would continue to be seen as their protector against "Separatist terrorists", making them more willing to accept Palpatine's ever more draconian rule.
Rebrand everything as "security droids" and only use the more extreme measures on known targets far away from the public eye. They can't report your war crimes if there's no witnesses.
Imagine if General Kalani use those HMP Droid Gunship in his Rebel cell of Battle Droids within the Rebel Alliance he joined and have a frenemy relationship with Captain Rex and his own Rebel cell of Clone Troopers as fellow Clone Wars veterans.
While I imagine Kalani would've recalculated the Rebels' chances after learning of the Death Star's destruction, I don't think his programming would've allowed him to actually join the Alliance to *Restore the Republic.* His purpose is to destroy the Republic, after all, not to restore it to its pre-war state.
@@RedXlV It'd be cool if he makes a very strong statement why it's a bad idea and instead they should form a better government than bringing back the Republic.
Even if the empire didn’t want to use the wider droid army, the droid racks on these could easily be swapped for bomb racks to further increase their firepower.
Droids would really make for the perfect garrison force. You can cheaply deploy and reinforce massive legions to your planets, they cannot be bribed and won’t defect to any rebellion that seems too idealistic, and you can store dozens of units on mobile transports for rapid deployment anywhere on the planet. If the Empire used droids, the rebels wouldn’t have stood a chance.
Fortunately for Luke and Co. the HMP wasn't conceived in our universe until after that conflict, so we hadn't had the chance to insert it in there yet.
10:20 Battle of Hoth - its funny to assume, that while the Rebels had trouble to make their snowspeeders work, these conditions would not hamper droid gunships.
@@Exaldear In practice however, since vacuum is a very good insulator, the late Space Shuttle had large radiators to get rid of waste heat. Air, especially flowing air (=arctic wind) can freeze you to the bone, just ask around in Canada or Siberia. Also, the planet Hoth had some anomalies in its magnetic or gravitic field (can't remember), that is why they had to use taun-tauns, edit: INSTEAD OF REPULSORS. Walkers don't use repulsors.
Exactly, it's the same reason that ships can enter hyperspace. The reason that LAATs and TIEs couldn't. X-wings were hyperspace capable and one of the most manuverable fighters in the era (and more expensive) because they were outfitted with the appropriate inertial compensation to perform as such without splattering the pilot.
Only drawback and potentially why Sidious et al did not use such as this: Hacking of some kind. The system that cannot disobey orders also cannot be sent dark side visions of their fates, have their families or positions threatened, or be manipulated with false promises. One good slicer or team thereof figures out how to turn those guns around... "Target is utilizing sustained internalized electrical weapon and engaging in gravimetric manipulation on a massive scale...compensated."
10:25 You're missing that the rebels had extensive triple-a defenses. Both the dish turret and the saucer turret were perfectly capable of accurate AA fire. Even at the early stages, the rebels had dedicated ATGMs, like that one baller time a rebel launched one against an AT-DP from a speeder in Rebels.
Aside from being absolutely OP, their design is extremely cool looking. If they can do everything this video says they can do, I'm sure the Clone Wars didn't do them justice because they sound unbeatable.
These things were almost always unbeaten and seen mowing down republic forces. They were a late stage war weapon though and as pointed out manuals can easily take them down. A clone fire team would usually have one portable launcher and if the barely trained onderon partisans could quickly learn to deal with them a trained clone force would counter them easily. Plus, Jedi.
If you’ve played Battlefront 2 A LOT. You’d know how busted they are. You can easily win space battles without dying by just eliminating clone fighters in the gunship. Quick reload and quick lock on missiles.
I can accept that a droid strike craft can be made more maneuverable than a manned one, but not for the reason Allen describes. Inertial damper technology is widely used by just about every aerospace firm in the galaxy. That tech is small, light, and low-powered enough to mount on _individual missiles,_ which is how Luke's proton torpedoes executed a hard right-angle turn during their boost phase at the Battle of Yavin. A TIE or X-Wing pilot's g-force tolerances are therefore not a limiting factor to his fighter's maneuverability the way they are with pilots of Earth-built fighters, because his inertial damper system will keep him safe all the way through it. ...Safe from the stresses of high-g maneuvers, anyway. Star Wars fighter pilots' prospects in general, and especially Rebel fighter jocks, tend toward closed caskets and "thank you for your interest, but" letters from life insurance companies. That said, I agree with the overall point that the HMP gunships were exceptionally maneuverable in ways a manned gunship would struggle to match. They were masterworks of engineering and integrated control systems, and as I see it, the real "secret sauce" was the direct control by the droid brain. The droid brain could fluidly control every individual thruster and repulsor to throw that gunship around the sky like a fire-breathing dragon. For a living pilot, forget throttles, rudder pedals, and control sticks: he'd need a direct neural interface with his craft to get that kind of fine control, like Battletech-style neurohelmets or Cyberpunk/Shadowrun-like rigger jacks. And even then, the droid brain would still have a small but noticeable advantage in reaction time over a plugged-in living pilot: the HMP's communications with its movement systems is already machine-to-machine, and wouldn't have the added step of translating back and forth between electronic and neural signals.
This. Even a remote piloted drone fighter would be limited by this. The droid brain is what makes the maneuvers possible not the g force avoidance. I guess the only reason we don’t see this more is starwars worried about the cylons taking over.
@@GAJake Probably the Empire was afraid of robots and droids. They can be hacked, or someone could make an army that would threaten them. Using propaganda you can get a loyal and large army.
Yeah, inertial dampeners are a core part of what makes Star Wars' space travel possible. While it's not the same as real-life spaceflight, the jump to hyperspace still involves immense acceleration.
I think the Empire should have integrated droid auxiliary forces. There were a couple instances of Dwarf Spider Droids being used by stormtroopers, for example. Imagine every stormtrooper squad rolling out with a DSD for fire support, basically overmatching every equivalent-sized rebel force.
I always felt that all military outposts, especially smaller ones, would have an area for battle droid storage for use in emergencies. Suddenly your 20 troops could have a could B2s, droidikas or even a fighter, bomber or gunship
@@johnpatz8395in both KOTOR games. Droids are ubiquitous. Pretty much every place used droids. The exact thing you mentioned is part of Dantooine mission in KOTOR 2. The new government on the planet has a few battle droids in storage you can activate for defense of the compound.
One issue I can see using CIS equipment is that Many guerrilla groups in the galaxy who fought the CIS would have experience fighting, evading, hiding from these. Many of these fighters participated in the rebel movement, or if not, mercenaries the rebels could hire did. So the fear factor and effectiveness of things like the droid gunship would be dramatically reduced if used by the empire.
I don’t think those gunships would have been helpull during the battle with the Ewoks. Most of it took place under extremelly heavy forested areas that provided quite good cover from airstrikes. So the only way for the droids to reach ground target woukd be for them to blast the trees and clear the area, and then they probably would have run out of amo. But then again that battle probably woukd have never taken place if the Empire made us of them.
After the Third Republic toppled the Empire at the Battle of Jakku, what stopped the Third Republic and the Imperial Remnants from using the HMP Droids for their own security purposes and missions?
I love that ship. I came up with ship designs for all the unused letters, and when I got to the Q-wing, I just took the HMP Droid Gunship, and added a cockpit for a human pilot.
One wonders if the empire purposefully did not use these ships, because they only would have inspired MORE resistance against Palpatine's empire, given how HATED these ships likely would have been, particularly amongst worlds that experienced just how terrifying, and merciless, these ships actually were in battle. This was especially applicable early in the empire, before the Rebel Alliance really gelled together, in "Andor." Using such merciless, terrifying droid ships would have also pretty much annihilated Palpatine's image of "saving" the galaxy, and made him look like a much more fearsome force for evil. It also completely undercuts Palpatine's promise of ridding the galaxy of "droids," in general. And these gunships were definitely "droid" aligned. So, for as many problems as these gunships would have solved, they probably would have created even more. And Palpatine probably foresaw this (he too liked to look into the future, just like the Jedi did).
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I’ve always felt like the empire is more built to fight in the clone wars than anything else. Their star destroyers are stronger to match the CIS’s more robust fleet, their TIEs are cheaper and faster to match the vulture droids, their ground vehicles are heavier and have increased firepower to deal with CIS war machines, and the stormtroopers are cheaper and more numerous to match the droids. Meanwhile the rebels show up and exploit all of the empire’s weaknesses whereas they likely would have been steamrolled by either military in the clone wars.
The Imperial military was built to fight the Clone Wars, or at least to eradicate the last remnants of the CIS and establish control over the entire galaxy. It was built to inspire fear by outmatching the CIS and uphold peace on a wider scale where the clones failed, but ultimately it was fighting the wrong war, trying to establish it's authority as ostentatiousally as possible, while pretending that the rebels were not a threat, until they couldn't hide it anymore. The Empire was literally too big to fight the rebels because they were geared to fight battle droids.
@@xerinuspax6843it was meant to fight the Yuuzan Vong. The garrison troops of the imperial army keep planets in line even with world ships inbound. Star destroyers are good. But the plan was multiple Death Stars able to obliterate the largest world ships. The Death Star is silly if your only threat is a small rebellion within your own territory. It’s great as a defensive weapon when aliens with biological living ships the size of planets and moons are invading.
Now I’m just imagining an alternate reality where these things are deployed by the Empire but the people are told they’re actually manned to cool their fears. Everyone buys it until one crashes and someone goes to help the pilot only to discover there is no pilot. Only a computerized droid brain
I wish at some point Star Wars pointed towards the moral dichotomy between clones and droids. It’s pretty easy to cast the CIS as the good guys when you consider the Republican brews up batches of sentient beings to be slaves of war whereas the CIS largely removed sentient suffering from its war effort by relying on droids. Then there’s a deeper perspective that do droids also feel pain and experience anguish? I just think there’s a lot of meat left on the bone with these simple underlying concepts.
The HMP is truly a terrifying weapons platform when you really take a look at what it can do. It's a good thing George didn't think about it until the PT era, so the Empire wouldn't use it. How many of those would your average Providence carry at any given time? Or even the larger dreadnought version of the Providence? I didn't see shit on the old Wookiepedia regarding that factoid, meanwhile it's easy to find out how many AT-ATs are in an ISD.
I love this gunship so much and it's the only unit that actually hovers and takes its time shooting down the targets unlike the other starfires did just have engines just for moving around not to hover and shoot down targets and that's amazing and It can carry a lot of troops it has a lot of firepower and ratios one effective gunship ever and it's an intelligent Droid and the amazing one too 😊❤ and it's a hover tank 😍
Those things, as well as quite a few other Battle Droids, would have been the perfect weapons against the Yuuzhan Vong. Besides their military capabilities, just the fact they were automatous machines would have driven the Vong into a zealot frenzy, making it easier for organic units to take them down as well. But no, the only one in the entire NJO series to even *think* to do something like that was Lando - though his YV Hunter series were *very* effective, more so than teenage Jedi more concerned with the love triangles than the actual conflict at hand.
G's don't matter to pilots in Star Wars, they have inertial dampeners. It is mentioned many times that pilots would often dial them back just a smidge so they could "feel" how their craft was handling.
it would be a nightmare for the rebels if the empire utilized these. now imagine if the rebels got their hands on more droids though. instead of x-wings and a-wings acting as interception and point defense these gunships were deployed instead. toss in some tri-fighters and suddenly the empire's highly trained tie-fighter pilots will have to fear if the rebels are carrying any droids. the only real downside of the droids is the bad pr you'd get but at the same time, tactically speaking, you have incredibly powerful units that come at a marginally cheap cost that you don't have to worry about keeping alive and it can do what fleshbags couldn't. have the x-wings and a-wings focused on coordinated assaults for more complex missions and these buggers acting as support and suddenly the rebels are an actual formidable threat on a wider scale. heck if any of the rebel engi's could slap a hyperdrive on these bad boys you don't even need them in the hanger, they can just float around whenever and come in for refueling before heading out again.
Those stats are just daft, physics just kicks in at some point. Even in the Star Wars universe this thing would have needed a capital ship power supply. Just another prequel scale up power level.
They cost as much as a TIE/LN and can take on and destroy multiple AT-ATs. A dozen HMPs with speeder tanks on the ground could’ve protected the reactor on Hoth easier.
I'm not sure about AT-ATs tho, a single walker could definitely face one head-on with no issues, especially with a few rocket-launcher stormtroopers protecting its sides
@@randomstormtrooper3345except theirs speeder tanks on the ground specifically targeting infantry. Also the walkers had multiple blind spots and with rockets targeting the joints of a walker they could easily be crippled.
@@reginaldshort8486 You know there are doors on the AT-AT's sides, right? A few troopers there + some ground support and the AT-AT wins anyway. And, from what I've seen, it's rockets aren't very precise and spread all over the place
Wonder if during the Vong War... Since from what few details i have Droids built for War and Assassination made HUGE a comeback an helped FINALLY turn the tide when all the Organics collective backs were up against the proverbial an perhaps wven LITERAL in some cases, wall... I wonder if Droids like these was brought outta retirement an sicked collectively on the Vong when the REST the Galaxy collectively united against a threat for maybe the only known time in SW Lore an Mythology OR was it JUST an elite army of modernized an equipped Battle Droids that look like Skynet got not just time coordinates wrong but ALSO the Dimension too
The Imperial military should have used this instead of the TIE Bombers. Also, they should have used TIE Defenders instead of regular TIE fighters for superiority combat.
It's one of the bajillion vehicles/droids that got a 3 second shot in Revenge of the Sith, it just didnt get much to do before the later seasons of The Clone Wars, outside of being the LAAT's counterpart in the old Star Wars Battlefron games, in which it was quite the heavy hitter.
Just so you all know. Emperor Palpatine was using the countless deaths of his troopers as fuel for the Dark Side. He was on his way to pulling off a Fullmetal Alchemist thing.
The reason why the Empire didn’t make use of the HMP gunship? Because the tactics and technology they did use made for much more entertaining and profitable movies, TV shows and merchandising opportunities.
Perhaps ion weapons became comon on the y wing and in general in the rebal alliance to combat driod gunships and the like. Perhaps ion weapons negated the use of ai powered craft
"These things could fly at 14,000km per hour and accelerate up to 100Gs, making them incredibly maneuverable and difficult to hit by ground forces, and they were also tanky and shielded." Me: *remembers that one Droid Gunship at the Battle of Kashyyk, moving slow as a flying tortoise and being brought down by a single ground-to-air missile*
Imagine using these Droids against the Vong… New source of nightmare fuel for those xenophobic invaders. Wonder what a Buzz-Droid swarm would have done to a Vong Squadron…
Alan, I know it's a weird suggestion but after watching some of the young jedi adventures star wars series you need to see their ships there's way more jedi vehicles and droids and it would be nice to see a better video format on research of the ships.
Wonder how the Sol System would fit in the SW Galaxy What side would we choose? How would our tech advance? Would we adopt energy based weapons or keep producing kinetic weapons?
Their manufacturer actually collaborated with Haor Char to create it. Unbelievable how these bugs managed to do it, but they did create a back bone for CIS military!
Unfortunately, you can't tell to people like Tarkin or Palpatine, that you have a better idea them them, or that there is something that they overlooked......
👉TWO MAIN REASONS WHY THE EMPIRE DID NOT USE THE HMP GUNSHIP: ☝FIRSTLY: "Having the glorious War Machines of the EMPIRE built by some ALIEN BUGS!? Are you insane!?" That is how Imperial Decision Makers would have answered this proposal. Also think practicality & logistics: ONLY the Bugs at Haor Chall Engineering knew how to actually build these things. And they weren't exactly the communicative type or down with sharing their "holy" knowledge. And having some BUGS in control of the entire production, and servicing of these vessels would have been unthinkable for the human-centric Empire. ✌SECONDLY: The HMP Gunship were horrendous butchering machines. Even in its short service life they made quite the name for themselves.. And bc of that that, they weren't fondly remembered by the public AT ALL! It was exactly the kind of "separatist terror symbol" that the Empire used to JUSTIFY its hard crackdown on descent and rebellion. So using it as a main weapon system themselves would have been an impossible task for the Empires PR/Propaganda Teams. COMPNOR (The Commission for the Preservation of the New Order) would have heavily protested! Even the few separatist resources that WERE used by the Empire, like the AAT or the Spider Droid and even the Droideka were ONLY used on backwater worlds or in remote facilities that were off limits to the public, FOR EXACTLY THIS REASON.
yeah, just too bad they werent invented until after the empire lost the war... was hoping there'd would have been some retro explanation as to why they werent used aside from "the eimpire doesnt use droid because the people dont like them" which is a weak excuse to say the least, given that i doubt the people liked ISDs and Death Stars either... the simple fact is they would have used them had they been created when the og media was released, but they wernt so the fans have to scramble to make any sense of this "oversight." this is the huge problem with filling in earlier events with more advanced tech than we see later in cannon. it leaves HUGE logic holes like this one...
Same story as all the other amazing clone wars era tech the empire just threw in the scrapheap. The military became all form, no substance once the Republic was re-organized. Sure, Palpy kept the clones and the turbo-tanks and all that, but he made the choice of gradually phasing them out with conscripted soldiers and other more specialized forms of vehicles and weapons. It's like you said in just about all of your vids, the empire was basically just Palpatine's way of keeping the galaxy under his control while he went off and did dark side things.
My theory is Palatine intentionally wanted suffering to fuel the Dark side. So what appears to be incompetence is intentional failure and destruction of the order first Republic than Empire brought.
"This is a weapon of terror, it's made to intimidate the enemy (tosses aside TIE fighter), This (pulls out HMP droid gunship)... is a weapon of war, it is made to *kill* your enemy..."
I think the HMP Gunship does a fantastic job at being a far greater weapon of terror.
+7 for the Stargate SG1 quote.
The standard TIE fighter should have been converted into drone fighter with Ace-6 droid brains and reusing Confederacy surplus Droidekas along with Droid Gunships would have been efficient and cause the Rebel terrorists to crap out the Great Pyramid
TBH I wish for Stargate teams use UAV drones😂
Wild Stargate reference! ❤️
Tarkin: Fear is the best way to rule.
Also Tarkin: Let's not use the platforms that people are already afraid of.
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Absolutely this. I mean, just look at the Droid tri-fighter. Those things were tiny, but absolutely nightmare inducing. Those thin slided eyes, missiles that could deploy buzz droids that could literally rip apart your ship's hull In a matter of minutes like little space piranhas, to something like the hyena bomber or vulture Droid which have very intimidating yet compact profiles. Don't get me wrong, the TIE fighter has a very intimidating sounding engine, but nothing else about the fighter looks scary at all. And I'm pretty sure, since the empire loves cheap, that most, if not all Droid fighters were a fraction of the cost of even a TIE fighter in most instances. Imagine in an ISD's hanger, let's say you can only support 200 TIE fighters. Well, with the more compact Droid fighters, you could probably double that to 400 to 600 depending on the type of Droid fighter you were fielding. And, correct me if I'm wrong, Droid fighters also didn't have hyperdrives and they could be fully programmed to be 100% loyal to the empire or whatever faction that they were serving under. You wouldn't have to worry about defections or any of your fighters running away. Have three or four squadrons of these amazing droids and their gunships stationed on imperial worlds and around outposts, and the rebels would never be able to strike any of these points given how much more sophisticated that most of these droid ships were and how easy it would be for a droid ship to outmaneuver a rebel ship
@@steelrideproductions371 What are you talking about?? There's nothing more terrifying than being screamed at by a gigantic "Letter H," as it fired lasers at you out of the sky! lol
@@jacob4920 Well, they were indeed pretty terrifying in both Andor and Battlefront 2015. Now, imagine if they made a flying 🅱, eveyone would just have a heart attack
@jacob4920 lmfao thanks for the laugh mate. I needed it. My sides hurt now 🤣
@@randomstormtrooper3345 "Hey, Tarkin - you wanna buy an 8?"
If the Empire had made use of the HMP Droid gunship, that would be a complete nightmare scenario.
The empire had many potential answers against the rebel aliences. But of course Dumb Moof Tarkin though they weren’t scary looking and so hardwired everyone the spam Stardestroyers at every problem even when they lose horribly.
This ship went from a blink and you missed it moment in Ep3, to a magnificent vehicle.
All the questions about the empire beign inefficent can be summarize with "Tarkin was an idiot and Palpatine was senile"
Remember the range troopers from solo they were equipped with magnetic boots. Stormtroopers could ride on top of the hmp gunship if the empire wanted to make more of said boots.
The Empire couldn't have used the HMP Droid Gunship for the exact same reason that the Rebel Alliance couldn't have used the B1 Battle Droids; optics. After the Clone Wars, the citizens of the galaxy were incredibly terrified of, and paranoid about, Class 4 droids. (Droids that were specifically made for war) Any attempt to make military use of such droids would have resulted in a massive PR catastrophe, and both sides knew it.
Ironically, Palpatine's propaganda success during the Clone Wars came back to bite him in the ass during the Galactic Civil War, because it prevented him from utilizing the one tool he had at his disposal that might have enabled him to crush the rebellion before they could have seriously threatened The Empire.
It’s ironic, he could save others. But not himself
Really, Palpatine's big mistake was to shut down the droid army. He should've instead had them "escape" under the command of alleged "Separatist holdouts" who would secretly answer to him. That way, he'd continue to have a completely controlled opposition, and Imperial citizens would be much less likely to join a rebellion that's openly neo-Separatist. Instead, the Empire would continue to be seen as their protector against "Separatist terrorists", making them more willing to accept Palpatine's ever more draconian rule.
Rebrand everything as "security droids" and only use the more extreme measures on known targets far away from the public eye. They can't report your war crimes if there's no witnesses.
Imagine if General Kalani use those HMP Droid Gunship in his Rebel cell of Battle Droids within the Rebel Alliance he joined and have a frenemy relationship with Captain Rex and his own Rebel cell of Clone Troopers as fellow Clone Wars veterans.
While I imagine Kalani would've recalculated the Rebels' chances after learning of the Death Star's destruction, I don't think his programming would've allowed him to actually join the Alliance to *Restore the Republic.* His purpose is to destroy the Republic, after all, not to restore it to its pre-war state.
@@RedXlV It'd be cool if he makes a very strong statement why it's a bad idea and instead they should form a better government than bringing back the Republic.
The HMP gunship takes the concept of an attack helicopter to 11. My favorite ground support vehicle in all of Star Wars.
Even if the empire didn’t want to use the wider droid army, the droid racks on these could easily be swapped for bomb racks to further increase their firepower.
Droids would really make for the perfect garrison force. You can cheaply deploy and reinforce massive legions to your planets, they cannot be bribed and won’t defect to any rebellion that seems too idealistic, and you can store dozens of units on mobile transports for rapid deployment anywhere on the planet. If the Empire used droids, the rebels wouldn’t have stood a chance.
Fortunately for Luke and Co. the HMP wasn't conceived in our universe until after that conflict, so we hadn't had the chance to insert it in there yet.
its the 'By Your Command' for me.
Frackin toasters...
10:20 Battle of Hoth - its funny to assume, that while the Rebels had trouble to make their snowspeeders work, these conditions would not hamper droid gunships.
In theory if it can survive space then hoth should be fine. The Empire didn't need to adapt the AT-AT's either.
@@Exaldear In practice however, since vacuum is a very good insulator, the late Space Shuttle had large radiators to get rid of waste heat.
Air, especially flowing air (=arctic wind) can freeze you to the bone, just ask around in Canada or Siberia.
Also, the planet Hoth had some anomalies in its magnetic or gravitic field (can't remember), that is why they had to use taun-tauns, edit: INSTEAD OF REPULSORS.
Walkers don't use repulsors.
@karlvongazenberg8398 I still think is was more to do with the speeders more than anything. All other rebel ships were fine x-wings, transports etc.
@@karlvongazenberg8398the speeders had large radiators too. What Rebel techs actually did for Hoth was disable most of the radiators.
Pulling a 100G - but when you have artifical gravity and inertial compensation, the squishy parts stay intact.
Exactly, it's the same reason that ships can enter hyperspace. The reason that LAATs and TIEs couldn't. X-wings were hyperspace capable and one of the most manuverable fighters in the era (and more expensive) because they were outfitted with the appropriate inertial compensation to perform as such without splattering the pilot.
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"just a normal day in the adeptus mechanicus"
Nice video.
The HMP Droid gunship is probably my favorite ship in star wars.
9:32 CIA?! Bro that's not the Soviet Afghan War in 1980s Cold War era Earth 🌎🌍 😂. Though could really hope for Earth in Star Wars vids in the future 🥺
Only drawback and potentially why Sidious et al did not use such as this: Hacking of some kind. The system that cannot disobey orders also cannot be sent dark side visions of their fates, have their families or positions threatened, or be manipulated with false promises. One good slicer or team thereof figures out how to turn those guns around...
"Target is utilizing sustained internalized electrical weapon and engaging in gravimetric manipulation on a massive scale...compensated."
Dark Empire: Palpatine uses organic computers that can be manipulated via the Force.
10:25 You're missing that the rebels had extensive triple-a defenses. Both the dish turret and the saucer turret were perfectly capable of accurate AA fire. Even at the early stages, the rebels had dedicated ATGMs, like that one baller time a rebel launched one against an AT-DP from a speeder in Rebels.
Aside from being absolutely OP, their design is extremely cool looking. If they can do everything this video says they can do, I'm sure the Clone Wars didn't do them justice because they sound unbeatable.
These things were almost always unbeaten and seen mowing down republic forces. They were a late stage war weapon though and as pointed out manuals can easily take them down. A clone fire team would usually have one portable launcher and if the barely trained onderon partisans could quickly learn to deal with them a trained clone force would counter them easily. Plus, Jedi.
If you’ve played Battlefront 2 A LOT. You’d know how busted they are. You can easily win space battles without dying by just eliminating clone fighters in the gunship.
Quick reload and quick lock on missiles.
I can accept that a droid strike craft can be made more maneuverable than a manned one, but not for the reason Allen describes.
Inertial damper technology is widely used by just about every aerospace firm in the galaxy. That tech is small, light, and low-powered enough to mount on _individual missiles,_ which is how Luke's proton torpedoes executed a hard right-angle turn during their boost phase at the Battle of Yavin. A TIE or X-Wing pilot's g-force tolerances are therefore not a limiting factor to his fighter's maneuverability the way they are with pilots of Earth-built fighters, because his inertial damper system will keep him safe all the way through it.
...Safe from the stresses of high-g maneuvers, anyway. Star Wars fighter pilots' prospects in general, and especially Rebel fighter jocks, tend toward closed caskets and "thank you for your interest, but" letters from life insurance companies.
That said, I agree with the overall point that the HMP gunships were exceptionally maneuverable in ways a manned gunship would struggle to match. They were masterworks of engineering and integrated control systems, and as I see it, the real "secret sauce" was the direct control by the droid brain. The droid brain could fluidly control every individual thruster and repulsor to throw that gunship around the sky like a fire-breathing dragon.
For a living pilot, forget throttles, rudder pedals, and control sticks: he'd need a direct neural interface with his craft to get that kind of fine control, like Battletech-style neurohelmets or Cyberpunk/Shadowrun-like rigger jacks. And even then, the droid brain would still have a small but noticeable advantage in reaction time over a plugged-in living pilot: the HMP's communications with its movement systems is already machine-to-machine, and wouldn't have the added step of translating back and forth between electronic and neural signals.
This. Even a remote piloted drone fighter would be limited by this. The droid brain is what makes the maneuvers possible not the g force avoidance. I guess the only reason we don’t see this more is starwars worried about the cylons taking over.
@@GAJake Probably the Empire was afraid of robots and droids. They can be hacked, or someone could make an army that would threaten them. Using propaganda you can get a loyal and large army.
Yeah, inertial dampeners are a core part of what makes Star Wars' space travel possible. While it's not the same as real-life spaceflight, the jump to hyperspace still involves immense acceleration.
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I think the Empire should have integrated droid auxiliary forces. There were a couple instances of Dwarf Spider Droids being used by stormtroopers, for example. Imagine every stormtrooper squad rolling out with a DSD for fire support, basically overmatching every equivalent-sized rebel force.
I always felt that all military outposts, especially smaller ones, would have an area for battle droid storage for use in emergencies. Suddenly your 20 troops could have a could B2s, droidikas or even a fighter, bomber or gunship
@@johnpatz8395common in KOTOR. Most places used droids to bolster their numbers.
@@johnpatz8395in both KOTOR games. Droids are ubiquitous. Pretty much every place used droids. The exact thing you mentioned is part of Dantooine mission in KOTOR 2. The new government on the planet has a few battle droids in storage you can activate for defense of the compound.
The Empire should’ve given specialized TIEs such as the TIE Reaper and Advanced X1 to special forces units
The Empire in general should've distributed a lot more TIE Interceptors & Defenders to various systems. Would've helped to keep the rebels at bay.
@ Especially during the Battle of Endor
One issue I can see using CIS equipment is that Many guerrilla groups in the galaxy who fought the CIS would have experience fighting, evading, hiding from these. Many of these fighters participated in the rebel movement, or if not, mercenaries the rebels could hire did. So the fear factor and effectiveness of things like the droid gunship would be dramatically reduced if used by the empire.
I don’t think those gunships would have been helpull during the battle with the Ewoks. Most of it took place under extremelly heavy forested areas that provided quite good cover from airstrikes. So the only way for the droids to reach ground target woukd be for them to blast the trees and clear the area, and then they probably would have run out of amo. But then again that battle probably woukd have never taken place if the Empire made us of them.
After the Third Republic toppled the Empire at the Battle of Jakku, what stopped the Third Republic and the Imperial Remnants from using the HMP Droids for their own security purposes and missions?
I love that ship. I came up with ship designs for all the unused letters, and when I got to the Q-wing, I just took the HMP Droid Gunship, and added a cockpit for a human pilot.
This is maybe my favorite CIS ship, because how many guns does one ship need?
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One wonders if the empire purposefully did not use these ships, because they only would have inspired MORE resistance against Palpatine's empire, given how HATED these ships likely would have been, particularly amongst worlds that experienced just how terrifying, and merciless, these ships actually were in battle. This was especially applicable early in the empire, before the Rebel Alliance really gelled together, in "Andor." Using such merciless, terrifying droid ships would have also pretty much annihilated Palpatine's image of "saving" the galaxy, and made him look like a much more fearsome force for evil. It also completely undercuts Palpatine's promise of ridding the galaxy of "droids," in general. And these gunships were definitely "droid" aligned.
So, for as many problems as these gunships would have solved, they probably would have created even more. And Palpatine probably foresaw this (he too liked to look into the future, just like the Jedi did).
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Droids/Drones are terrifying easy to use and terrifying for everyone who didn't use them.
I’ve always felt like the empire is more built to fight in the clone wars than anything else. Their star destroyers are stronger to match the CIS’s more robust fleet, their TIEs are cheaper and faster to match the vulture droids, their ground vehicles are heavier and have increased firepower to deal with CIS war machines, and the stormtroopers are cheaper and more numerous to match the droids. Meanwhile the rebels show up and exploit all of the empire’s weaknesses whereas they likely would have been steamrolled by either military in the clone wars.
The Imperial military was built to fight the Clone Wars, or at least to eradicate the last remnants of the CIS and establish control over the entire galaxy. It was built to inspire fear by outmatching the CIS and uphold peace on a wider scale where the clones failed, but ultimately it was fighting the wrong war, trying to establish it's authority as ostentatiousally as possible, while pretending that the rebels were not a threat, until they couldn't hide it anymore. The Empire was literally too big to fight the rebels because they were geared to fight battle droids.
@@xerinuspax6843it was meant to fight the Yuuzan Vong. The garrison troops of the imperial army keep planets in line even with world ships inbound. Star destroyers are good. But the plan was multiple Death Stars able to obliterate the largest world ships.
The Death Star is silly if your only threat is a small rebellion within your own territory. It’s great as a defensive weapon when aliens with biological living ships the size of planets and moons are invading.
@@arftrooper2057 that makes sense. I forgot about the Vong. It's hard to keep up with everything sometimes. Thank you for the correction.
In legends, it would also appear to be a refinement of a BAM gunship, used by the Trade Federation during an anti-competition raid on Kashyyk.
there was an indycar driver that survived 214 G's during a crash once
what is he working as nowadays ? As talking spread for PB&J sandwiches 😉😉
Battledroids: when you need an insurection on a budget.
In that sense they are like AKs.
Now I’m just imagining an alternate reality where these things are deployed by the Empire but the people are told they’re actually manned to cool their fears. Everyone buys it until one crashes and someone goes to help the pilot only to discover there is no pilot. Only a computerized droid brain
I wish at some point Star Wars pointed towards the moral dichotomy between clones and droids.
It’s pretty easy to cast the CIS as the good guys when you consider the Republican brews up batches of sentient beings to be slaves of war whereas the CIS largely removed sentient suffering from its war effort by relying on droids.
Then there’s a deeper perspective that do droids also feel pain and experience anguish?
I just think there’s a lot of meat left on the bone with these simple underlying concepts.
The HMP is truly a terrifying weapons platform when you really take a look at what it can do. It's a good thing George didn't think about it until the PT era, so the Empire wouldn't use it.
How many of those would your average Providence carry at any given time? Or even the larger dreadnought version of the Providence? I didn't see shit on the old Wookiepedia regarding that factoid, meanwhile it's easy to find out how many AT-ATs are in an ISD.
seeing the scene where gunship attacked thorn and the Saw Gerrera's rebels. it is so terrifying!!! more terrifying than commando droids O_O
I love this gunship so much and it's the only unit that actually hovers and takes its time shooting down the targets unlike the other starfires did just have engines just for moving around not to hover and shoot down targets and that's amazing and It can carry a lot of troops it has a lot of firepower and ratios one effective gunship ever and it's an intelligent Droid and the amazing one too 😊❤ and it's a hover tank 😍
I’m fairly certain the shielded variants were far more costly, as most late war droid platforms were.
Those things, as well as quite a few other Battle Droids, would have been the perfect weapons against the Yuuzhan Vong. Besides their military capabilities, just the fact they were automatous machines would have driven the Vong into a zealot frenzy, making it easier for organic units to take them down as well. But no, the only one in the entire NJO series to even *think* to do something like that was Lando - though his YV Hunter series were *very* effective, more so than teenage Jedi more concerned with the love triangles than the actual conflict at hand.
Disney has destroyed my love for Star Wars and crapped all over it, just here to give Alan a thumbs up! One of favourite channels on TH-cam
It is ironically Alan who keeps me interested in Star Wars. Lucasfilm should honest-to-God hire this guy, after Kathleen Kennedy is finally let go of.
@ I agree. He makes it feel so much more alive than Disney ever has
It didn't destroy my love of Star Wars. I still hunt down and acquirer "Legends" era content.
4:00 They also made use of Dwarf Spider Droids.
G's don't matter to pilots in Star Wars, they have inertial dampeners. It is mentioned many times that pilots would often dial them back just a smidge so they could "feel" how their craft was handling.
Question is, would Porkins have survived if he didn't have his set higher?
it would be a nightmare for the rebels if the empire utilized these. now imagine if the rebels got their hands on more droids though. instead of x-wings and a-wings acting as interception and point defense these gunships were deployed instead. toss in some tri-fighters and suddenly the empire's highly trained tie-fighter pilots will have to fear if the rebels are carrying any droids. the only real downside of the droids is the bad pr you'd get but at the same time, tactically speaking, you have incredibly powerful units that come at a marginally cheap cost that you don't have to worry about keeping alive and it can do what fleshbags couldn't. have the x-wings and a-wings focused on coordinated assaults for more complex missions and these buggers acting as support and suddenly the rebels are an actual formidable threat on a wider scale. heck if any of the rebel engi's could slap a hyperdrive on these bad boys you don't even need them in the hanger, they can just float around whenever and come in for refueling before heading out again.
HK Hunter Killers , not the ones from Knights of the Old Republic but the ones from Terminator
Those stats are just daft, physics just kicks in at some point. Even in the Star Wars universe this thing would have needed a capital ship power supply. Just another prequel scale up power level.
HMP Droid Gunships are the Hunter Killers of the Clone Wars...
The only thing missing is a plot armor generator!😂
It has a shield generator. Sufficient for most plot demands.
I liked how you used footage from star wars tales of the empire
Another good question, why didn't the cash strapped rebels make use of battle droids and droid gunships?
They cost as much as a TIE/LN and can take on and destroy multiple AT-ATs. A dozen HMPs with speeder tanks on the ground could’ve protected the reactor on Hoth easier.
Hell, imagine how effective these beasts would have been simply DEFENDING THE DEATH STARS!!
I'm not sure about AT-ATs tho, a single walker could definitely face one head-on with no issues, especially with a few rocket-launcher stormtroopers protecting its sides
@@randomstormtrooper3345except theirs speeder tanks on the ground specifically targeting infantry. Also the walkers had multiple blind spots and with rockets targeting the joints of a walker they could easily be crippled.
@@jacob4920nah the fighters had greater range and speed in space though they would’ve been exceptional on Endor.
@@reginaldshort8486 You know there are doors on the AT-AT's sides, right? A few troopers there + some ground support and the AT-AT wins anyway. And, from what I've seen, it's rockets aren't very precise and spread all over the place
Wonder if during the Vong War... Since from what few details i have Droids built for War and Assassination made HUGE a comeback an helped FINALLY turn the tide when all the Organics collective backs were up against the proverbial an perhaps wven LITERAL in some cases, wall...
I wonder if Droids like these was brought outta retirement an sicked collectively on the Vong when the REST the Galaxy collectively united against a threat for maybe the only known time in SW Lore an Mythology OR was it JUST an elite army of modernized an equipped Battle Droids that look like Skynet got not just time coordinates wrong but ALSO the Dimension too
the Empire didn't trust a sentient HMP Droid Gunships any more than a horde of IG88's running amuck.
6:41 Is that James May?
It would be worse than nightmare fuel to imagine a swarm of hundreds of HMP gunships… the Rebellion would have been pointless.
What if...instead of a clone army Coruscant recruited from its lower levels 🤔
The empire if Palpi didn’t think Tarkin was a genius
One of the coolest things in Star Wars!
"BY YOUR COMMAND" 🗣️🗣️🗣️
The Imperial military should have used this instead of the TIE Bombers. Also, they should have used TIE Defenders instead of regular TIE fighters for superiority combat.
In real life, wasn't the HMP introduced into the story many years after most of the movies, books, etc. had already been published?
It's one of the bajillion vehicles/droids that got a 3 second shot in Revenge of the Sith, it just didnt get much to do before the later seasons of The Clone Wars, outside of being the LAAT's counterpart in the old Star Wars Battlefron games, in which it was quite the heavy hitter.
Just so you all know.
Emperor Palpatine was using the countless deaths of his troopers as fuel for the Dark Side.
He was on his way to pulling off a Fullmetal Alchemist thing.
The reason why the Empire didn’t make use of the HMP gunship? Because the tactics and technology they did use made for much more entertaining and profitable movies, TV shows and merchandising opportunities.
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The thumbnail reminded me of an old Akiran Corsair 😊
Perhaps ion weapons became comon on the y wing and in general in the rebal alliance to combat driod gunships and the like. Perhaps ion weapons negated the use of ai powered craft
5:31 so they the mechanicum?
"These things could fly at 14,000km per hour and accelerate up to 100Gs, making them incredibly maneuverable and difficult to hit by ground forces, and they were also tanky and shielded."
Me: *remembers that one Droid Gunship at the Battle of Kashyyk, moving slow as a flying tortoise and being brought down by a single ground-to-air missile*
Imagine using these Droids against the Vong…
New source of nightmare fuel for those xenophobic invaders.
Wonder what a Buzz-Droid swarm would have done to a Vong Squadron…
Are you filming this is Japan? I lowkey get Japan vibes from outside the window
Alan, I know it's a weird suggestion but after watching some of the young jedi adventures star wars series you need to see their ships there's way more jedi vehicles and droids and it would be nice to see a better video format on research of the ships.
What corporation ship was crashed on andor episode 3?
Alan need some vitamins and some sleep. Hot tea
4:04 what is that scene from?
The battle droids some reason were sentient
Um 14,200 Kph is Mach 11.4. You might want to use google next time for converting the speed of an object from Kph to Mach.
Wonder how the Sol System would fit in the SW Galaxy
What side would we choose?
How would our tech advance?
Would we adopt energy based weapons or keep producing kinetic weapons?
Considering all the systems in this plus the AI, the pricetag sounds completely wrong... It should have been at least 2-3 times that much.
I thought the Geonosians created those gunships, as mentioned by Captain Rex.
Their manufacturer actually collaborated with Haor Char to create it. Unbelievable how these bugs managed to do it, but they did create a back bone for CIS military!
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Was that James May?
I want one for real
maybe the droids fell out of favor due to the plans going to the empire, and there was no way to keep the droid programming unhackable.
The rebels should have reactivated old battle droids . Especially after the team up on Aggobar
The plot dictates that they weren’t used by the empire
Unfortunately, you can't tell to people like Tarkin or Palpatine, that you have a better idea them them, or that there is something that they overlooked......
Star Wars answer to the MI-24 Hind
Did that ship say "by your command"? That's a cylon cross over!
We've accepted drones, because we cant see them.
How would they have defended the death Star
Why didn't the empiral Amy have face covers
👉TWO MAIN REASONS WHY THE EMPIRE DID NOT USE THE HMP GUNSHIP:
☝FIRSTLY: "Having the glorious War Machines of the EMPIRE built by some ALIEN BUGS!? Are you insane!?" That is how Imperial Decision Makers would have answered this proposal. Also think practicality & logistics: ONLY the Bugs at Haor Chall Engineering knew how to actually build these things. And they weren't exactly the communicative type or down with sharing their "holy" knowledge. And having some BUGS in control of the entire production, and servicing of these vessels would have been unthinkable for the human-centric Empire.
✌SECONDLY: The HMP Gunship were horrendous butchering machines. Even in its short service life they made quite the name for themselves.. And bc of that that, they weren't fondly remembered by the public AT ALL! It was exactly the kind of "separatist terror symbol" that the Empire used to JUSTIFY its hard crackdown on descent and rebellion. So using it as a main weapon system themselves would have been an impossible task for the Empires PR/Propaganda Teams. COMPNOR (The Commission for the Preservation of the New Order) would have heavily protested! Even the few separatist resources that WERE used by the Empire, like the AAT or the Spider Droid and even the Droideka were ONLY used on backwater worlds or in remote facilities that were off limits to the public, FOR EXACTLY THIS REASON.
yeah, just too bad they werent invented until after the empire lost the war... was hoping there'd would have been some retro explanation as to why they werent used aside from "the eimpire doesnt use droid because the people dont like them" which is a weak excuse to say the least, given that i doubt the people liked ISDs and Death Stars either... the simple fact is they would have used them had they been created when the og media was released, but they wernt so the fans have to scramble to make any sense of this "oversight." this is the huge problem with filling in earlier events with more advanced tech than we see later in cannon. it leaves HUGE logic holes like this one...
No wonder 🤔
Same story as all the other amazing clone wars era tech the empire just threw in the scrapheap. The military became all form, no substance once the Republic was re-organized. Sure, Palpy kept the clones and the turbo-tanks and all that, but he made the choice of gradually phasing them out with conscripted soldiers and other more specialized forms of vehicles and weapons. It's like you said in just about all of your vids, the empire was basically just Palpatine's way of keeping the galaxy under his control while he went off and did dark side things.
My theory is Palatine intentionally wanted suffering to fuel the Dark side. So what appears to be incompetence is intentional failure and destruction of the order first Republic than Empire brought.