Using local militias to draw the enemy into extremely costly occupations/sieges. Although the empire found a solution for that in the form of genocide.
@@robertagu5533 something that was proven in BOTH continuities... shortly after forming in Legends, they tried Operation: Domino and after the Battle of Yavin in Canon they tried an offensive into the Mid Rim and basically got curb stomped by the Empire both times...
@Jedi_Spartan yeah I forget when but it took quite awhile before they finally built up the power base and strength to FINALLY start phasing out hit an runs an actually start being able to stand and fight considerably strong Imperial Forces. Especially their navy taking on good sized fleets of Star Destroyers. Like they did at Jakku an we know quite a few Dreadnoughts would join the fray there and it was literally Armada vs Armada there with pretty powerful ground forces to match.. Seems business scavenging was good on the planet an in orbit for quite awhile afterwards... but imagine having to clean the mess that no one took on the other had too
Good video. I'd argue that the only reason the stateless strategy failed for the CIS is because of Palpatine rather than the Republic's response specifically. The CIS at the beginning of the war was focused on rapid expansionism and terror campaigns rather than taking on the Republic fleet head on despite having the ability to do so and in the first few months of the war. This was very clearly a result of Sith manipulation.
@@Lawrence_Talbot For the Sith's plan to work, yes. If Dooku hadn't been corrupted by Sidious and had founded the CIS on his own, the Sith plan would've been damaged
Yeah. Even if you account for the skewed numbers we have, the CIS' droid capacity could have easily decimated the Republic's forces and local affiliates. Just concentrate on their military assets like the Republic did to Geonosis, and BOOM. Especially since the Republic's stuff/forces were far less replaceable.
Other than ‘the Star Wars galaxy’ does anyone know the name of the galaxy? Seriously, thought about this on the toilet today…it’s always just ‘the galaxy.’ Outer rim, mid rim, yea but galaxy name? Bueller? Anyone?
@louisvarre2197 No, we don't. It is one of the great mysteries of Star Wars along with when exactly the story is set compared to real life ('a long time ago in a galaxy far far away') and what Yoda's species is.
It’s interesting: in Star Wars, the losing (state) faction also tends to become the next stateless faction. The republic became the rebellion, and the Empire became the First Order. It suggests three things: (1) there is an upper limit to the size and organized territory can sustainably exist. (2) there is a limit to the extent to which the faction in power can purge an opposing faction from its own borders. Like sanitizer, there’s always a 0.1% that gets away. (3) as long as stateless strategies win, warfare will tend to resemble a classic tug of war, with one faction fading until it can hide in the shadows, and another rising until it collapses under its own weight.
I agree. Especially with your first point. The larger the territory the larger government you need to govern and protect that territory. This means more and more layers of bureaucracy and the less efficient said government becomes. The less efficient the government becomes the weaker it becomes. The weaker it becomes the easier it is to topple. Look how easy it was for the emperor to topple the Republic. If the galaxy had been more self sufficient and decentralized Palp's schemes would have been much harder to pull off. Especially with the rule of two. Centralizing authority in the senate and galactic government made his job easy.
The first order was still pretty much a "nation" (for lack of a better word) due to it keeping control over a lot of the military and industrial sections of the galaxy, iirc
In the Clone Wars, the Republic also had cloaked ships. Those would have been BEYOND useful in a stateless strategy of their own by targeting both supply lines (with this neatly explaining why the Separatists stopped deploying the Lucrehulk on the front until the Battle of Coruscant, they're the only CIS transports that wouldn't be one-shot by the cloaked ships' torpedoes) and droid factories and shipyards.
Those are prohibitively expensive and require exotic resources. Also they aren't that new of a technology and we see in the Clone Wars that there are tactics to counter them.
@@HD-mp6yy Tactics based on the ideas of knowing they're there (sensors capable of detecting them when cloaked still aren't available) and that they're larger than they actually are (cloaked ships so small are impossible unless the designer is Raith Sienar or Darth Tenebrous). The ships arrive, wait, fire a volley in the convoy, and get away before the escorts can fire those magnetic torpedoes. Cue losses unless the target merchant ship is MASSIVE, such as a Lucrehulk... And that's one supercarrier unavailable for the front line.
Mate , Take a heavy payload bomb , transport it using the Cloaking ship , and park it beside the Lucrehulk or dreadnought or battle station , use a EVA space suited commando team to place the bomb near the engines or something critical of the dreadnought or battle station and get the dock off before the bomb explodes , this is one tactic used in world war ,The Italian Regia Marina Commandos ,Frogmen I think , used commandos to use small underwater boats to go under the Enemy Docked Battleships and place timer Bombs Inside the enemies own Naval Base ,They also had to Manuever through mines at the Mouth of the dockyard,
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 I know what the Decima MAS did to British shipping. But infiltrating a spaceport full of moving ships is much harder than ambushing a convoy, so I only suggested the tactic I know would work.
@@lordMartiya No No I'm not talking about A convoy situation Mate , The Main Comment is about How a Cloaked corvette sized ship can't do damage to A lucrehulk size ship ,but essentially Lucrehulk is a Battlestation more than a Warship , i responded by saying a Portable Nuclear or Heavy Proton Bomb can do the trick with a Few Spacesuited commandos , and also Mines can be used for a Convoy now that I think of
3:10 I've been interested in Star wars deep lore for most of my life but the one thing I never fully understood hyperspace travel until you made that analogy. Thanks!
Geetsly please make a video about 10 unfinished The Clone Wars story arcs. We lost 40 episodes because of Disney's cancellation of the show. These could have been some of the best arcs and episodes in the show, such as: 1) The Bounty Hunter arc, where Boba Fett gets his armor and spaceship, and confronts Cad Bane, killing him. Thus, he becomes the new best bounty hunter. 2) Crystal Crisis on Utapau, where Anakin and Obi-Wan discover a giant kyber crystal for the Death Star. Grievous is also depicted in this arc as an epic and menacing antagonist. 3-4) Dark Disciple + Saving Vos (two arcs), where Ventress teams up with Quinlan Vos and fights Dooku and Grievous on Raxus. Then Quinlan is captured and Dooku attempts to lure him to the Dark Side. Eventually, Ventress, Obi-Wan, and Anakin rescue Quinlan and Ventress dies saving him from Dooku and the Dark Side. 5) Yoda and the Bad Batch on Kashyyyk, which explains why Yoda has a good relationship with Wookiees in RoTS. It also shows Echo's early days in Clone Force 99. Besides, Chewbacca plays a major role in the story. 6) The Son of Dathomir arc, where Maul escapes Sidious' prison, teams up with Mandalorians and Nightbrothers, and confronts Sidious, Dooku, and Grievous. Maul was revealed to be Mother Talzin's son and she eventually died saving him. Grievous was also epic. He killed Mother Talzin and a lot of Mandalorians. 7) The Sith Shrine arc, where Ahsoka, Anakin, and Obi-Wan go to the Sith Temple underneath the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. This arc continues the Jedi's investigation into Sidious' identity, and explains that the Dark Side aura from the Sith Temple prevented the Jedi from realizing that Sidious was Palpatine. Also, in this arc, Sidious attacks the Holocron Vault in the Jedi Temple. 8) Rex and R2's arc, where they crash land on a moon of Ryloth and reprogram a super battle droid. This arc is likely where Rex first meets Gregor. 9) The Yuuzhan Vong arc, where these dangerous EU creatures arrive from another galaxy and hijack a Venator cruiser to estimate the Republic's forces. 10) Padmé's arc on Mon Cala, where she tries to rally opposition against Palpatine. This was the end of all political arcs in the show. In fact, it's also an adaptation of the RoTS deleted scenes of Padmé and the Senators uniting against Palpatine. The more people know about this loss, the more likely it is that maybe one day we will finally get at least some of these arcs finished.
The Outer Rim, “Look. We are an anarcho-syndicated commune. We take in turn, to act as a sector government of the week. Supreme executive power arise from the mandate from the masses, not from some galactic ceremony. Look, if I went around, claiming to be a Sith Lord, just because I carry a red blade, they carry me away.”
Considering that there is no hard counter to the strategy even to the real world it will make sense that in a Galactic War it will almost be impossible to defeat your enemies.
the counter is logistics. the stateless fleet needs a port and berths to fix their ships, as well as plants to make parts and munitions/fuel for their ships. even if they had a hidden base, at some point the power they are fighting could fort up enough to hold the stateless fleet in one place long enough for relief/reinforcement fleets to come in and cut them off. also, any losses suffered by the stateless fleet can't be replaced or just not as fast given and shipyards are very soft targets that will need stand up fights to protect. the rebels only started winning the war with the imps when enough planets broke off to give then ports enough to build up forces to make a small fleet. before that it was hit and run snipping that was hurting the imps but not killing them. only after the death star's loss and then the whole of the imperial household at DS2 did things start to fall apart.
the hard counter to the stateless strategy is good fortifications and quick reaction forces. If you are stateless, you have no economy. If you have no economy, you can’t replace your losses. If you can’t replace your losses, you can be ground down by attrition.
I wonder if you could say the Covenant and Halo followed a stateless strategy, their capital was a massive mobile space station, and when they conquer the planet and there was nothing that they needed they just glassed it to where nobody could use it.
No, The Covenant controlled an interstellar empire with thousands of planets, though it did also contain a number of populated space stations, and its capital was a space station, it wasn’t stateless. Its core most territory was just able to move. Actually, I’d argue that would be a good counter to the stateless strategy. If you concentrate much of your manufacturing capability into a giant, well defended space station that isn’t always in one place, it would be hard for a stateless adversary to whittle away at you without becoming decisively engaged.
@@BalthasarGelt-x2dlol idk why but I find your comment so ironic, you make sense and you’re right but according to Star Wars lore you’re wrong because we have a perfect example of a “moving capitol” and that’s the Death Star and empire lmao , so in Star Wars I guess it’s not that good of a counter
War crimes are determined by the winner. Even in our world there are countless war crimes committed every day nobody even knows about because the people in power wouldn't profit by those war crimes. They're ignored in favor of war crimes that make the leadership money.
Not really the case. IHL is designed to allow nations to engage in war and defend themselves. Most people just don’t know what is a war crime and what isn’t.
To be honest, I think this only works as well and as often as it does because fiction can rarely accurately reflect logistics challenges. In reality, though smaller forces can certainly “live off the land” and larger forces can exploit this for short periods by splitting up, a huge and sustained campaign as many of these are, would require logistics infrastructure funnelling flows of tibbana gas, power cells, food, replacement troops, replacement equipment etc to the assaulting force. There is a reason that stateless organizations are disadvantaged when fighting states with established logistics infrastructure on anything but their own ground.
Warfare based on continent wide ossifed frontlines is barely over a hundred years old. Until well into the 19th century it was absolutely unfeasable to assert complete military control over the entire theater of operations. Simply because your understanding of modern war derives from the world wars, does not change the fact that almost the entire history of warfare didnt actually involve firm control of territory as a central element.
@@egoalter1276 1, I don’t think I mentioned either the world wars or the 20th-21st century in that comment. Secondly, logistics has been present through the entirety of our existence as a species. It was a defining attribute in the decisions made as far back as we can trace. This is doubly so in every conception of warfare we have ever seen. I think it’s highly unlikely this would become less of a factor in an era where even more developed technology is used in warfare. Especially since things like fuel and spare requirements are well established.
Thrawn: Tie defenders Missile boats cloaking ships Interdictor ships Interdictor mines Fast Fleet Couriers And Fleets at Mid points between target systems ,Thank you
Um geetsly? I have a couple questions. Do you think it’s possible to purify a sith sword or the mind of a sith the same way a Jedi purifies a bled kyber crystal?
When The Enemy is Genociding entire planets ,War crimes is a very small issue ,In the Rebels case at least , they didn’t harm the civilians except some Emotional Hardcore extremists like Saw Garerra
War crimes are in the eye of the beholder. Because there are countless war crimes both in fiction and in real life nobody gives a thought about because they don't give the winner moral or propaganda leverage. A good example is the Soviets playing up German war crimes during the invasion of the USSR. They ignored the war crimes Stalin engaged in even against his own people that were just as bad or worse. In some conflicts you can only hope both sides loose. But, you can be sure the western "journalists" never mentioned Stalin's atrocities. War inevitably leads to moral compromises. The Rebels knew their attacks on the Empire would prompt reprisals. They had to come to terms with the idea of "acceptable losses" in order to win. Such is the way of the universe it seems.
The Stateless Strategy is a good one and very effective to help topple a Galactic Super Power, but only when its done the right way and even then the party imploying it should never use it forever, sure having key worlds proving some support and raiding to get other stuff can work for a while, but eventually the help from these few worlds can dry up if you're not giving back to them or the worlds get conqured or in the case of Alderan blown up, and raids come with the risk of them failing and you lossing ships, personel, and supplies, thus weakening you're fighting force. If one a military wants to survive indefintily it needs a strong power base that can keep giving it support because its part of the economy and its in its best interest to keep supporting them to get paid and fed. Of course, as the Empire shows over military spending and just having greedy, selfish, backstabbing morons in charge up top would eventually cause you're Galactic Super Power to implode in on itself either due to in fighting or the economy collapsing in on itself. Revan and the Rebels when they became the New Republic knew how to do this the right way. Also, 36:55-36:59: If you're done with Battle Breakdowns then yes I'd love to see videos on militray stratgy in the Star Wars universe, they would be a good sucessor to Battle Breakdowns.
Asymmetrical warfare, for any large ponderous force is a massive pain to deal with. Personally I think if Palpatine hadn't been manipulating them the CIS would probably have one by simply swamping the republic with war droids. With mobile factories able to be set up anywhere and turn out hoards of droids the Republic wouldn't have had a chance. But, with Sidiious playing both sides against each other it pretty well screwed all and sundry. And even though he "won" in the end he screwed himself too. Sith Infighting as usual.
The thing is, if your faction is wealthy enough to have its entire military industry onboard spacecraft and still have enough economic output to pose a serious threat without being attrited to nothing, couldn’t you instead load those spacecraft up with weapons and just crush the other entity? Your faction would also have to have no connection to any territory.
If both sides have states, will the war lasted so long like the Arab-Roman Wars? The point is that things have become stable after the Abbasid Caliphate rose to power and the Roman Empire stabilized its frontiers on both fronts. And they did nothing but keep launching raids against each other and made no attempts of seizing territories of one another at all until the Abbasid Caliphate began to fracture. So if the Confederacy actually consolidated its holdings and the Republic stabilized its frontiers, does that mean the Clones Wars will lasted longer with both sides cannot do anything but launching raids against each other if no peace treaty is signed or one side is completely defeated?
Possibly. But, with Sidious playing both sides behind the scenes it couldn't happen. If this had happened without Sith nonsense, you're absolutely correct. And eventually the Confederacy would have amassed enough battle droids to simply swamp the Republic.
Even though I know this is mainly a Legends channel, & for good reason, I feel like the *Nihil* from Disney's canon should be mentioned here. At least in Phase 1 of the High Republic series they were probably one of the most dangerous pirate organizations to exist after the Ruusaan Reformations, using their uncenteralized, unknown nature & their Path drives (hyperdrives which allowed them to take nearly impossible/unmapped Hyperspace routes on the fly) to poke at the Republic. From sending the Republic & Jedi on wild goose chases for false leaders or distracting them with bizarre new threats, they were able to launch raids & terrorist attacks on just about any planet they wanted to outside the Core Worlds. I only just started reading Phase 3, where they have apparently carved out an entire sector in the Outer Rim with gravity well projectors to keep people without Path drives in or out of the Occlusion Zone; essentially trashing the Stateless Strategy. I don't know how it all ends, but given they aren't around by the time of the movies, my guess is that trashing the Stateless Strategy was probably their downfall.
This stateless strategy smacks of the guerrilla warfare of the Viet Cong or the Green Berets. Practice Fabian Strategy, don't stick around too long when attacking and designate primary and secondary egression points, and do not get captured. Do this, and you're golden when employing a Stateless Strategy. You have to have endurance and the will, (both political and personal), to fight your enemy long term. You have to be able to outlive and outlast your enemy. Prepare for a marathon long game.
The issue is that if you don’t control territory to draw resources and recruits from, your opponent will crush you. You need to have time on your side to perform Fabian strategy. What you are describing is more like Hannibal strategy, the opposite of Fabian strategy.
Really only the cis could pull it off because of the sheer numbers they had and could replace, a few well placed ambushes after a stateless force retreats and their fleet would be gone
Question: if the CIS had so much technology, why didn't they use a lot of it to chart new hyperspace routes of their own? I'm sure with their technological superiority over the Republic, they could have outclassed them in that respect.
I never understood the picture of the galaxy at the end of the empire strikes back. How did they travel so far in the span it took to fix lukes hand? It's defies all logic.
Was the first order stateless due to the command ship the final order or would that ship be cobsidered a planet due io its sheer size and production ability alone
🤔 . . . Yes. However, I think you should update this video on real world equivalents, Earth’s military history equivalents, of this strategy so it can be better understood & grasped & such…
While space IS huge its NOT impossible to totally control huge parts. Thats EXACTLY what the Empire did... don't agree with that idea. At it's peak almost NO ONE dared annoy an get on the Empire's bad side. Would say they effectively, even if for short time, effectively controlled HUGE territory. The Inner Core areas are every bit big as the outter an even outter most Rim
This reminds me of Anarchists society’s or organization. Stateless but always in history it’s a person who is said to be a warlord and sometimes direct democracy is there. Conservative socialist tend say if anarchist use the state then they would be fascist. I see the Sith the same as real life anarchist. The separatist are like the libertarians who also call themselves anarchists they are right wing anarchists who would be normally called anarcho- capitalist.
There is nothing stateless about the cis. For starters, it's the systems that r synonymous to states, not the federal gouverning body above 'em. The economic entities were the only stateless actors. Them having senat seats actually is a fascistic aspect btw. But even if we call the republic a state, then the cis in structure, really wasn't any different, at least as shown in canon. They might have given their members more autonomy, but the construct was the same federal one as the republic. The only true difference was that the cis had no corporations in their senate, which is at best cosmetic, since fascistic influence can work way more unhindered, covertly. They need less direct influence on passing of laws, which can b seen by all, if there's no awareness of their behind the scenes influence on the deep state level of gouvernance.
The stateless strategy is a very high brow, big army approach to guerilla warfare. That has won a metric ton of wars. Doesnt always, but its nothing to sneeze at.
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The Stateless Strategy was probably the ONLY Separatist strategy where the Rebel Alliance said "Write that down. WRITE THAT DOWN!"
Using local militias to draw the enemy into extremely costly occupations/sieges. Although the empire found a solution for that in the form of genocide.
In the Rebels case, in the early years they wouldn't have lasted long AT ALL without using this strategy
@@robertagu5533 something that was proven in BOTH continuities... shortly after forming in Legends, they tried Operation: Domino and after the Battle of Yavin in Canon they tried an offensive into the Mid Rim and basically got curb stomped by the Empire both times...
@Jedi_Spartan yeah I forget when but it took quite awhile before they finally built up the power base and strength to FINALLY start phasing out hit an runs an actually start being able to stand and fight considerably strong Imperial Forces. Especially their navy taking on good sized fleets of Star Destroyers. Like they did at Jakku an we know quite a few Dreadnoughts would join the fray there and it was literally Armada vs Armada there with pretty powerful ground forces to match..
Seems business scavenging was good on the planet an in orbit for quite awhile afterwards... but imagine having to clean the mess that no one took on the other had too
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Good video. I'd argue that the only reason the stateless strategy failed for the CIS is because of Palpatine rather than the Republic's response specifically. The CIS at the beginning of the war was focused on rapid expansionism and terror campaigns rather than taking on the Republic fleet head on despite having the ability to do so and in the first few months of the war. This was very clearly a result of Sith manipulation.
Well the CIS always had to fail, it was merely a question of when
@@Lawrence_Talbot For the Sith's plan to work, yes. If Dooku hadn't been corrupted by Sidious and had founded the CIS on his own, the Sith plan would've been damaged
Yeah. Even if you account for the skewed numbers we have, the CIS' droid capacity could have easily decimated the Republic's forces and local affiliates. Just concentrate on their military assets like the Republic did to Geonosis, and BOOM. Especially since the Republic's stuff/forces were far less replaceable.
Other than ‘the Star Wars galaxy’ does anyone know the name of the galaxy? Seriously, thought about this on the toilet today…it’s always just ‘the galaxy.’ Outer rim, mid rim, yea but galaxy name? Bueller? Anyone?
@louisvarre2197 No, we don't. It is one of the great mysteries of Star Wars along with when exactly the story is set compared to real life ('a long time ago in a galaxy far far away') and what Yoda's species is.
It’s interesting: in Star Wars, the losing (state) faction also tends to become the next stateless faction. The republic became the rebellion, and the Empire became the First Order. It suggests three things:
(1) there is an upper limit to the size and organized territory can sustainably exist.
(2) there is a limit to the extent to which the faction in power can purge an opposing faction from its own borders. Like sanitizer, there’s always a 0.1% that gets away.
(3) as long as stateless strategies win, warfare will tend to resemble a classic tug of war, with one faction fading until it can hide in the shadows, and another rising until it collapses under its own weight.
I agree. Especially with your first point. The larger the territory the larger government you need to govern and protect that territory. This means more and more layers of bureaucracy and the less efficient said government becomes.
The less efficient the government becomes the weaker it becomes.
The weaker it becomes the easier it is to topple.
Look how easy it was for the emperor to topple the Republic. If the galaxy had been more self sufficient and decentralized Palp's schemes would have been much harder to pull off. Especially with the rule of two. Centralizing authority in the senate and galactic government made his job easy.
The first order was still pretty much a "nation" (for lack of a better word) due to it keeping control over a lot of the military and industrial sections of the galaxy, iirc
In the Clone Wars, the Republic also had cloaked ships. Those would have been BEYOND useful in a stateless strategy of their own by targeting both supply lines (with this neatly explaining why the Separatists stopped deploying the Lucrehulk on the front until the Battle of Coruscant, they're the only CIS transports that wouldn't be one-shot by the cloaked ships' torpedoes) and droid factories and shipyards.
Those are prohibitively expensive and require exotic resources. Also they aren't that new of a technology and we see in the Clone Wars that there are tactics to counter them.
@@HD-mp6yy Tactics based on the ideas of knowing they're there (sensors capable of detecting them when cloaked still aren't available) and that they're larger than they actually are (cloaked ships so small are impossible unless the designer is Raith Sienar or Darth Tenebrous).
The ships arrive, wait, fire a volley in the convoy, and get away before the escorts can fire those magnetic torpedoes. Cue losses unless the target merchant ship is MASSIVE, such as a Lucrehulk... And that's one supercarrier unavailable for the front line.
Mate , Take a heavy payload bomb , transport it using the Cloaking ship , and park it beside the Lucrehulk or dreadnought or battle station , use a EVA space suited commando team to place the bomb near the engines or something critical of the dreadnought or battle station and get the dock off before the bomb explodes , this is one tactic used in world war ,The Italian Regia Marina Commandos ,Frogmen I think , used commandos to use small underwater boats to go under the Enemy Docked Battleships and place timer Bombs Inside the enemies own Naval Base ,They also had to Manuever through mines at the Mouth of the dockyard,
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 I know what the Decima MAS did to British shipping. But infiltrating a spaceport full of moving ships is much harder than ambushing a convoy, so I only suggested the tactic I know would work.
@@lordMartiya No No I'm not talking about A convoy situation Mate , The Main Comment is about How a Cloaked corvette sized ship can't do damage to A lucrehulk size ship ,but essentially Lucrehulk is a Battlestation more than a Warship , i responded by saying a Portable Nuclear or Heavy Proton Bomb can do the trick with a Few Spacesuited commandos , and also Mines can be used for a Convoy now that I think of
3:10 I've been interested in Star wars deep lore for most of my life but the one thing I never fully understood hyperspace travel until you made that analogy. Thanks!
Geetsly please make a video about 10 unfinished The Clone Wars story arcs. We lost 40 episodes because of Disney's cancellation of the show. These could have been some of the best arcs and episodes in the show, such as:
1) The Bounty Hunter arc, where Boba Fett gets his armor and spaceship, and confronts Cad Bane, killing him. Thus, he becomes the new best bounty hunter.
2) Crystal Crisis on Utapau, where Anakin and Obi-Wan discover a giant kyber crystal for the Death Star. Grievous is also depicted in this arc as an epic and menacing antagonist.
3-4) Dark Disciple + Saving Vos (two arcs), where Ventress teams up with Quinlan Vos and fights Dooku and Grievous on Raxus. Then Quinlan is captured and Dooku attempts to lure him to the Dark Side. Eventually, Ventress, Obi-Wan, and Anakin rescue Quinlan and Ventress dies saving him from Dooku and the Dark Side.
5) Yoda and the Bad Batch on Kashyyyk, which explains why Yoda has a good relationship with Wookiees in RoTS. It also shows Echo's early days in Clone Force 99. Besides, Chewbacca plays a major role in the story.
6) The Son of Dathomir arc, where Maul escapes Sidious' prison, teams up with Mandalorians and Nightbrothers, and confronts Sidious, Dooku, and Grievous. Maul was revealed to be Mother Talzin's son and she eventually died saving him. Grievous was also epic. He killed Mother Talzin and a lot of Mandalorians.
7) The Sith Shrine arc, where Ahsoka, Anakin, and Obi-Wan go to the Sith Temple underneath the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. This arc continues the Jedi's investigation into Sidious' identity, and explains that the Dark Side aura from the Sith Temple prevented the Jedi from realizing that Sidious was Palpatine. Also, in this arc, Sidious attacks the Holocron Vault in the Jedi Temple.
8) Rex and R2's arc, where they crash land on a moon of Ryloth and reprogram a super battle droid. This arc is likely where Rex first meets Gregor.
9) The Yuuzhan Vong arc, where these dangerous EU creatures arrive from another galaxy and hijack a Venator cruiser to estimate the Republic's forces.
10) Padmé's arc on Mon Cala, where she tries to rally opposition against Palpatine. This was the end of all political arcs in the show. In fact, it's also an adaptation of the RoTS deleted scenes of Padmé and the Senators uniting against Palpatine.
The more people know about this loss, the more likely it is that maybe one day we will finally get at least some of these arcs finished.
That is awesome.
I would love to see adaptations of them.
The first one would be particularly great, since that would mean the Book of Boba Fett never canonically happened.
What a tragedy, hopefully Disney becomes brings them back. But then again they do like to fumble for some reason.
To be fair, it’s a shame that there isn’t an unfinished arc of the show where the focus is solely on Grievous.
The Outer Rim, “Look. We are an anarcho-syndicated commune. We take in turn, to act as a sector government of the week. Supreme executive power arise from the mandate from the masses, not from some galactic ceremony. Look, if I went around, claiming to be a Sith Lord, just because I carry a red blade, they carry me away.”
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Considering that there is no hard counter to the strategy even to the real world it will make sense that in a Galactic War it will almost be impossible to defeat your enemies.
the counter is logistics. the stateless fleet needs a port and berths to fix their ships, as well as plants to make parts and munitions/fuel for their ships. even if they had a hidden base, at some point the power they are fighting could fort up enough to hold the stateless fleet in one place long enough for relief/reinforcement fleets to come in and cut them off. also, any losses suffered by the stateless fleet can't be replaced or just not as fast given and shipyards are very soft targets that will need stand up fights to protect. the rebels only started winning the war with the imps when enough planets broke off to give then ports enough to build up forces to make a small fleet. before that it was hit and run snipping that was hurting the imps but not killing them. only after the death star's loss and then the whole of the imperial household at DS2 did things start to fall apart.
the hard counter to the stateless strategy is good fortifications and quick reaction forces.
If you are stateless, you have no economy. If you have no economy, you can’t replace your losses. If you can’t replace your losses, you can be ground down by attrition.
I wonder if you could say the Covenant and Halo followed a stateless strategy, their capital was a massive mobile space station, and when they conquer the planet and there was nothing that they needed they just glassed it to where nobody could use it.
They only glassed human planets, to destroy the population.
No, The Covenant controlled an interstellar empire with thousands of planets, though it did also contain a number of populated space stations, and its capital was a space station, it wasn’t stateless. Its core most territory was just able to move.
Actually, I’d argue that would be a good counter to the stateless strategy. If you concentrate much of your manufacturing capability into a giant, well defended space station that isn’t always in one place, it would be hard for a stateless adversary to whittle away at you without becoming decisively engaged.
@BalthasarGelt-x2d funny how both the Fourniers and Covenant had mobile captials and both were taken out by the flood.
@@BalthasarGelt-x2dlol idk why but I find your comment so ironic, you make sense and you’re right but according to Star Wars lore you’re wrong because we have a perfect example of a “moving capitol” and that’s the Death Star and empire lmao , so in Star Wars I guess it’s not that good of a counter
How the hell did I watch this entire video and only realize at the END that it's THIRTY-SEVEN MINUTES LONG?! No wonder it took so long to finish.
Did u ever figure out how?
@ninjalectualx Still no
war crimes are just the tactics that are the most effective
War crimes are determined by the winner. Even in our world there are countless war crimes committed every day nobody even knows about because the people in power wouldn't profit by those war crimes. They're ignored in favor of war crimes that make the leadership money.
Always remember….”it’s never a war crime the first time!”
It’s only a crime if you’re on the losing side
Not really the case. IHL is designed to allow nations to engage in war and defend themselves. Most people just don’t know what is a war crime and what isn’t.
the cis had the best of both worlds it used the stateless strategy and used warcrimes😀
To be honest, I think this only works as well and as often as it does because fiction can rarely accurately reflect logistics challenges. In reality, though smaller forces can certainly “live off the land” and larger forces can exploit this for short periods by splitting up, a huge and sustained campaign as many of these are, would require logistics infrastructure funnelling flows of tibbana gas, power cells, food, replacement troops, replacement equipment etc to the assaulting force. There is a reason that stateless organizations are disadvantaged when fighting states with established logistics infrastructure on anything but their own ground.
Warfare based on continent wide ossifed frontlines is barely over a hundred years old. Until well into the 19th century it was absolutely unfeasable to assert complete military control over the entire theater of operations.
Simply because your understanding of modern war derives from the world wars, does not change the fact that almost the entire history of warfare didnt actually involve firm control of territory as a central element.
@@egoalter1276 1, I don’t think I mentioned either the world wars or the 20th-21st century in that comment. Secondly, logistics has been present through the entirety of our existence as a species. It was a defining attribute in the decisions made as far back as we can trace. This is doubly so in every conception of warfare we have ever seen. I think it’s highly unlikely this would become less of a factor in an era where even more developed technology is used in warfare. Especially since things like fuel and spare requirements are well established.
Chewie was a member of the Claatuvac Guild, hence his being adrift in the galaxy--the guild's mapkeepers left Kashyyk to avoid caputre by the Empire
Explains Saw Gerrera's success
The Clone Wars videos are the best in my opinion. Keep it up!
Thrawn: Tie defenders Missile boats cloaking ships Interdictor ships Interdictor mines Fast Fleet Couriers And Fleets at Mid points between target systems ,Thank you
Great video
Um geetsly? I have a couple questions. Do you think it’s possible to purify a sith sword or the mind of a sith the same way a Jedi purifies a bled kyber crystal?
Yes, I would like to see more videos like this.
"I don't want to win, I just want them to lose" ahh strategy
It would seem that, ironically, the weakness of the stateless strategy is it's own success.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again if palpatine and duko hadn’t been handy caping the confederacy they would have dominated the clone wars
The Nihil took this strategy to its limit, using the paths to go anywhere, regardless of hyperspace lanes
That tactic was war crimes.
Everything the Clone Wars era Republic’s been doing was a war crime
Jew Wars?
When The Enemy is Genociding entire planets ,War crimes is a very small issue ,In the Rebels case at least , they didn’t harm the civilians except some Emotional Hardcore extremists like Saw Garerra
War crimes are in the eye of the beholder. Because there are countless war crimes both in fiction and in real life nobody gives a thought about because they don't give the winner moral or propaganda leverage. A good example is the Soviets playing up German war crimes during the invasion of the USSR. They ignored the war crimes Stalin engaged in even against his own people that were just as bad or worse. In some conflicts you can only hope both sides loose.
But, you can be sure the western "journalists" never mentioned Stalin's atrocities.
War inevitably leads to moral compromises. The Rebels knew their attacks on the Empire would prompt reprisals. They had to come to terms with the idea of "acceptable losses" in order to win. Such is the way of the universe it seems.
@@Wastelandman7000 you seem morally compromised
The Stateless Strategy is a good one and very effective to help topple a Galactic Super Power, but only when its done the right way and even then the party imploying it should never use it forever, sure having key worlds proving some support and raiding to get other stuff can work for a while, but eventually the help from these few worlds can dry up if you're not giving back to them or the worlds get conqured or in the case of Alderan blown up, and raids come with the risk of them failing and you lossing ships, personel, and supplies, thus weakening you're fighting force. If one a military wants to survive indefintily it needs a strong power base that can keep giving it support because its part of the economy and its in its best interest to keep supporting them to get paid and fed. Of course, as the Empire shows over military spending and just having greedy, selfish, backstabbing morons in charge up top would eventually cause you're Galactic Super Power to implode in on itself either due to in fighting or the economy collapsing in on itself. Revan and the Rebels when they became the New Republic knew how to do this the right way.
Also, 36:55-36:59: If you're done with Battle Breakdowns then yes I'd love to see videos on militray stratgy in the Star Wars universe, they would be a good sucessor to Battle Breakdowns.
Asymmetrical warfare, for any large ponderous force is a massive pain to deal with. Personally I think if Palpatine hadn't been manipulating them the CIS would probably have one by simply swamping the republic with war droids. With mobile factories able to be set up anywhere and turn out hoards of droids the Republic wouldn't have had a chance. But, with Sidiious playing both sides against each other it pretty well screwed all and sundry. And even though he "won" in the end he screwed himself too. Sith Infighting as usual.
The thing is, if your faction is wealthy enough to have its entire military industry onboard spacecraft and still have enough economic output to pose a serious threat without being attrited to nothing, couldn’t you instead load those spacecraft up with weapons and just crush the other entity?
Your faction would also have to have no connection to any territory.
If both sides have states, will the war lasted so long like the Arab-Roman Wars? The point is that things have become stable after the Abbasid Caliphate rose to power and the Roman Empire stabilized its frontiers on both fronts. And they did nothing but keep launching raids against each other and made no attempts of seizing territories of one another at all until the Abbasid Caliphate began to fracture.
So if the Confederacy actually consolidated its holdings and the Republic stabilized its frontiers, does that mean the Clones Wars will lasted longer with both sides cannot do anything but launching raids against each other if no peace treaty is signed or one side is completely defeated?
Possibly. But, with Sidious playing both sides behind the scenes it couldn't happen. If this had happened without Sith nonsense, you're absolutely correct. And eventually the Confederacy would have amassed enough battle droids to simply swamp the Republic.
Geetsly I love your videos and I am writing a book based on the knowledge I have learned from you. You will always be my favourtie creator❤
That’s awesome, best of luck writing dude
Though Geetsly's a team, rather than an individual.
@@Eagle-mn9mo I'm aware but I do not know there names so I referred to them as the channels name as the makes the most sense.
@@indianajones4321 Thanks man means a lot.👊
Thank you dude, best of luck with the book.. Sounds like it'll be awesome!
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Even though I know this is mainly a Legends channel, & for good reason, I feel like the *Nihil* from Disney's canon should be mentioned here.
At least in Phase 1 of the High Republic series they were probably one of the most dangerous pirate organizations to exist after the Ruusaan Reformations, using their uncenteralized, unknown nature & their Path drives (hyperdrives which allowed them to take nearly impossible/unmapped Hyperspace routes on the fly) to poke at the Republic. From sending the Republic & Jedi on wild goose chases for false leaders or distracting them with bizarre new threats, they were able to launch raids & terrorist attacks on just about any planet they wanted to outside the Core Worlds.
I only just started reading Phase 3, where they have apparently carved out an entire sector in the Outer Rim with gravity well projectors to keep people without Path drives in or out of the Occlusion Zone; essentially trashing the Stateless Strategy. I don't know how it all ends, but given they aren't around by the time of the movies, my guess is that trashing the Stateless Strategy was probably their downfall.
This stateless strategy smacks of the guerrilla warfare of the Viet Cong or the Green Berets. Practice Fabian Strategy, don't stick around too long when attacking and designate primary and secondary egression points, and do not get captured. Do this, and you're golden when employing a Stateless Strategy. You have to have endurance and the will, (both political and personal), to fight your enemy long term. You have to be able to outlive and outlast your enemy. Prepare for a marathon long game.
The issue is that if you don’t control territory to draw resources and recruits from, your opponent will crush you. You need to have time on your side to perform Fabian strategy. What you are describing is more like Hannibal strategy, the opposite of Fabian strategy.
Guess that's how the first order happened. Just small raids to begin with?
Really only the cis could pull it off because of the sheer numbers they had and could replace, a few well placed ambushes after a stateless force retreats and their fleet would be gone
Question: if the CIS had so much technology, why didn't they use a lot of it to chart new hyperspace routes of their own? I'm sure with their technological superiority over the Republic, they could have outclassed them in that respect.
If I had to guess, Palpatine convinced them not to. He was putting both sides against each other, after all.
Stateless? 'Vong were galaxyless
Borders are in the end just ideas. Remove that idea and all opens up.
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I never understood the picture of the galaxy at the end of the empire strikes back. How did they travel so far in the span it took to fix lukes hand? It's defies all logic.
I mean how can there be unknown areas when they are able to travel that far to watch over their own galaxy?
So basically an insurgency? 😂
Must use it in Stellaris.
You need the galactic Cannon start for that, then it will Work.
Was the first order stateless due to the command ship the final order or would that ship be cobsidered a planet due io its sheer size and production ability alone
🤔 . . . Yes. However, I think you should update this video on real world equivalents, Earth’s military history equivalents, of this strategy so it can be better understood & grasped & such…
That makes no sense, completely ignores hyperlanes. Or the need for production capacity.
While space IS huge its NOT impossible to totally control huge parts. Thats EXACTLY what the Empire did... don't agree with that idea. At it's peak almost NO ONE dared annoy an get on the Empire's bad side. Would say they effectively, even if for short time, effectively controlled HUGE territory. The Inner Core areas are every bit big as the outter an even outter most Rim
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This reminds me of Anarchists society’s or organization. Stateless but always in history it’s a person who is said to be a warlord and sometimes direct democracy is there. Conservative socialist tend say if anarchist use the state then they would be fascist. I see the Sith the same as real life anarchist. The separatist are like the libertarians who also call themselves anarchists they are right wing anarchists who would be normally called anarcho- capitalist.
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But Dark Phoenix was good though
There is nothing stateless about the cis. For starters, it's the systems that r synonymous to states, not the federal gouverning body above 'em. The economic entities were the only stateless actors. Them having senat seats actually is a fascistic aspect btw.
But even if we call the republic a state, then the cis in structure, really wasn't any different, at least as shown in canon. They might have given their members more autonomy, but the construct was the same federal one as the republic. The only true difference was that the cis had no corporations in their senate, which is at best cosmetic, since fascistic influence can work way more unhindered, covertly. They need less direct influence on passing of laws, which can b seen by all, if there's no awareness of their behind the scenes influence on the deep state level of gouvernance.
The stateless strategy is a very high brow, big army approach to guerilla warfare. That has won a metric ton of wars. Doesnt always, but its nothing to sneeze at.