Since some builders use polyfill to make their keyboard build more thock. Since I don't want to waste more money on that, I ended up using some cotton as an alternative. Keyboard is Akko Mod 007 V2, polycarbonate plate, no case foam and PCB foam, installed included PCB foam, cotton filled bottom housing, Akko Jelly Black hand lubed w/205 g0 , akko red and blue samurai keycaps. It's more towards marble thock ish sound. Love it.
The reason why we use polyfill as a sound dampener and not any other materials is because polyfill is proven to be safe for electronics as it is an anti-static cottonish material. You might wanna check out what kind of cotton you used for your board cuz if you used make up cotton or face cotton remove it ASAP! It might intervene with your PCB resulting to a shorted out PCB or a bricked one. Be careful on what you put underneath your board specially if it has down firing LED’s because one wrong move and your PCB goes bye bye. Just sharing this knowledge in case some doesn’t know about it. Hopefully you look onto this too! Have a good dayy!! 💛
Love pbtfans cant wait to see some more designs in the future. Really dope caps for the money. I havent tired it but not a fan of the kbd67, prob cuz of the bad mounting style. Looks like you prob made it better removing the silicon. Sounds alot better now.
It’s better to use a thick wood table as well for thock instead of a deskmat. This is because the sound resonates through the wood causing a thocky sound.
Saying PBT is a more budget material than ABS isn't exactly correct. PBT is more expensive on a base material cost, and more difficult to work with and manufacture. ABS is an easier and cheaper material to work with. This means with ABS, it is easier (and cheaper) to get crisp legends and consistent colors. My guess at to why PBT is used more in "budget" keysets is that, historically, PBT has been viewed as the better, more premium material, so it is meant to be a draw towards buying their sets over popular brands that use ABS caps. PBT is also largely still seen as the more premium material in the larger, gamer-style mechanical keyboard world (ie Logitech, Steelseries, Corsair, etc), so it is a draw for that market. The gamer mech demographic is also much less willing to spend custom mech prices, so higher end "gamer mech" PBT keycap sets often end up being less expensive compared to entry or mid range custom mech keysets, where ABS is used to more easily and cheaply achieve things like crisp legends that the custom mech demographic prioritizes. ABS being viewed as more "premium" is a pretty recent phenomenon, largely due to the rise of GMK. If you look at old keyboard content (maybe 5 years or older, and especially before Cherry's patent expired), PBT is usually described as the more premium material. And, as always in this hobby, it ultimately just comes down to preference.
I'm not updated into recent mech trends and I'm shocked when he said ABS is more premium than PBT, ABS double shots are cheaper than even laser engraved PBT back then
I had this exact same build, just the aluminium version of the KBD67. Ended up replacing the Boba U4Ts with Lilac Linears cause I wanted to use it in the office lol. Bobas were just too loud XD
You should get gateron cj’s or oil kings instead gateron cj’s are much smoother then tangerines stock and oil kings are also good for thock and are smoother then the inks
I think the most importent to build a thocky keyboard is make sure you use a material that has a solid, like alumunium, and foam to reduce a vibration. Alumunium case, foam, and ceramic keycaps are heavy material tht i'll reduce the vibrantion when u typing
Ngl, the final result was so THOCCCCC and I didn't expect that. Now, I want to make my board more thocc even though I already gave a lot of thocc mod lol.
Just a quick correction, you mentioned that doubleshot PBT is the more cheaper option, but ABS is actually on the lower end for quality compared to PBT. Just letting you all know if you were confused :)
High-end ABS sets like ones from GMK are generally the most expensive because they produce the highest quality legends with their double shot process. ABS plastic also allows for basically any colour combination imaginable. They are vastly different from the cheapo dogshit ABS shinethrough keycaps that gaming keyboards usually come with and are usually what people refer to when people say that ABS is inferior to PBT. PBT naturally has more resistance to shine than ABS, but since most PBT sets are dye sub, quality of legends can get close but will not match the quality of GMK Doubleshots. Dye sub also limits colour combinations to strictly darker shade legends on lighter shade keycaps. Reverse dye sub is an option, but is not common and is hard to get right. One material isn't simply better than the other, it just depends on what you value more in your keycaps. High-end ABS if you're looking for more colour options and crisper legends, PBT if you hate shine and can live with not having the highest possible quality legends.
I'm so sketched with tape mod on my epomaker th80, its my first mechanical keyboard, and alot of people saying not to use certain painters tape with a keyboard that has a battery, apparently some are conductive.
Hey man, great video. I had a doubt @5:51. You said you replaced the PCB foam (which i assume means the foam between the PCB and the plate) but your video shows you replacing the case foam (lying between your pcb and case). Which one did you replace? Also, what kind of foam did you replace it with? Thanks
So I’m a little confused about what you did with that silicone dampener. You mentioned that you replaced it with a gasket and kept that same silicone dampener on the bottom of the case?
I think PBT is the higher quality material because it's also oil resistant inherently and the material is also just more expensive Double Shot ABS is more expensive and easier to mold so is used in more applications so yeah I think PBT is definitely the key caps to go towards if you can. Obvs the manufacturer can make a better ABS keycap set than another manufacturer that did PBT so but generally speaking PBT is better and higher quality
Can you do a video on the creamiest silent switches? I want to write my book in cafes but I don't want to be disturbing others with my Aula f99 as I type fast and heavy. Thank you for your videos. I just discovered you and find your videos helpful!
BEWARE - I tried removing the silicone and replacing it with D65 gaskets on my KBD67 lite and it actually made the keyboard a lot clackier. I have the same config as lewis with boba ufts and some pbt cherry profile keycaps and even followed what he did exactly tried different gasket placements. But I ended up comparing a before and after sound test that I did myself and you could hear even through the bad microphone. I reverted this mod back to silicone and kbd switch pads and it was clear that the sound was deeper after going back. Just something to keep in mind if you plan on doing this. (my theory is that the silicone added a lot of weight to board and this is necessary to achieve this deep sound)
@@QuickE23 not what I said, not what I mean, and most importantly not true (for me). It was actually deeper, not muted. Now I do believe that any kind of dampening will theoretically make the board sound muted and it is actually what I have heard for the kbd67 lite from other reviewers but ig for my config it just didn't help at all. I spent a whole day testing as I thought I was going crazy since I thought for sure that the pitch of the board would decrease and the sound would open up. When I added it back there was a noticeably deeper sound. Something that I also think helped was leaving the plate and pcb screws and have the board be friction mounted, this did deepen the sound for me. However, you should you know that I was using the kbdfans switch pads (full kbd67 variant) this may have played a role in my results.
Hello you earned a sub and like im about to buy the upcoming krush 65 polycarbonate version they have 2 kinds of mount o ring and top mount? Can you help me to choose what stabs plate switches and keycaps to choose pls
Finding the u4t is kinda in the nutshell in 2023. The price went crazy tbh. But when you are deep enough in the keyboard rabbit hole, the most important thing is how it feels to type not the sound.
If someone is creating a custom mechanical keyboard cause they are after that certain type of sound when the key is pressed. Should end up thinking about the material of the desk surface as well cause it does have a effect on it.
i know the majority used PE foam between the plate and switches but are there any differences using different type of foam for the case? i can't decide which foam to use for filling those empty space in my case.
Since some builders use polyfill to make their keyboard build more thock. Since I don't want to waste more money on that, I ended up using some cotton as an alternative. Keyboard is Akko Mod 007 V2, polycarbonate plate, no case foam and PCB foam, installed included PCB foam, cotton filled bottom housing, Akko Jelly Black hand lubed w/205 g0 , akko red and blue samurai keycaps. It's more towards marble thock ish sound. Love it.
The reason why we use polyfill as a sound dampener and not any other materials is because polyfill is proven to be safe for electronics as it is an anti-static cottonish material. You might wanna check out what kind of cotton you used for your board cuz if you used make up cotton or face cotton remove it ASAP! It might intervene with your PCB resulting to a shorted out PCB or a bricked one. Be careful on what you put underneath your board specially if it has down firing LED’s because one wrong move and your PCB goes bye bye. Just sharing this knowledge in case some doesn’t know about it. Hopefully you look onto this too! Have a good dayy!! 💛
bye bye pcb
the lighter the foam the deeper the sound the denser the foam the higher(or clackier)
Not to mention that cotton can literally catch on fire especially if your keyboard has a battery in it.
@@skrimontgv2217 is it safe to use cotton if you do the tape mod in the pcb?
*looks at description before vid premiers* Yep, that'll thock. haha
my guy
@@LewisToh girl*
😂 boba u4t + kbd67 lite = thocc
@@LewisToh Lewis my homie
@@LewisToh this is a crime
Imagine not watching Coley
No one is talking about how good the spacebar sounds ?
Good point, are those the stock stabs?
Love pbtfans cant wait to see some more designs in the future. Really dope caps for the money. I havent tired it but not a fan of the kbd67, prob cuz of the bad mounting style. Looks like you prob made it better removing the silicon. Sounds alot better now.
It’s better to use a thick wood table as well for thock instead of a deskmat. This is because the sound resonates through the wood causing a thocky sound.
Saying PBT is a more budget material than ABS isn't exactly correct. PBT is more expensive on a base material cost, and more difficult to work with and manufacture. ABS is an easier and cheaper material to work with. This means with ABS, it is easier (and cheaper) to get crisp legends and consistent colors.
My guess at to why PBT is used more in "budget" keysets is that, historically, PBT has been viewed as the better, more premium material, so it is meant to be a draw towards buying their sets over popular brands that use ABS caps. PBT is also largely still seen as the more premium material in the larger, gamer-style mechanical keyboard world (ie Logitech, Steelseries, Corsair, etc), so it is a draw for that market. The gamer mech demographic is also much less willing to spend custom mech prices, so higher end "gamer mech" PBT keycap sets often end up being less expensive compared to entry or mid range custom mech keysets, where ABS is used to more easily and cheaply achieve things like crisp legends that the custom mech demographic prioritizes.
ABS being viewed as more "premium" is a pretty recent phenomenon, largely due to the rise of GMK. If you look at old keyboard content (maybe 5 years or older, and especially before Cherry's patent expired), PBT is usually described as the more premium material.
And, as always in this hobby, it ultimately just comes down to preference.
I'm not updated into recent mech trends and I'm shocked when he said ABS is more premium than PBT, ABS double shots are cheaper than even laser engraved PBT back then
who ordered a yappachino?
i like the keycaps you used in the switches test
Bro is down bad
the captions said that the thocky typing was an applause 😭
thats the best part
I had this exact same build, just the aluminium version of the KBD67. Ended up replacing the Boba U4Ts with Lilac Linears cause I wanted to use it in the office lol. Bobas were just too loud XD
interesting
Fun vid.
One note, though...I don't know if foam makes the keyboard "denser" as opposed to damping the transfer of sound through the case and air.
interesting
We need a keybored science segment on what foam does
@@eggychan7613 Keybored already made it in his Wind X65 video
@@suchti9049 except somehow in practice on some board, the reverse is true. We need a dedicated keyboard science lab to really find the answer.
bro stfu n enjoy the video
If i took a shot every time Lewis said the word thocc i would have alcohol poisoning
That keyboard sounds really awesome man that's exactly how I want my keyboard to sound.
yoooo... those keycaps at 1:52 do look hawt :O
xd
0:05 he said ""so today ill be sh-trying and showing you guys how to build a thocky keyboard"" it was so funny
xd
Try the WS Onion switches, they are extremely low pitched. Should be a great option for a super thocky linear instead of the U4T
oooo
Let's gooi, i preordered my kb67 lite r4 so I'm very happy you are making a build with it! Imma use box ink v2s and GMK Laser or Polycaps hippo
niceee
You should get gateron cj’s or oil kings instead gateron cj’s are much smoother then tangerines stock and oil kings are also good for thock and are smoother then the inks
@@TrippieMint bold if you to assume i have money to buy those too, haven't even ordered my keycaps yet
Can't wait for the vid to drop!
Just a question, could u do a vid on the gas67?
i am editing it right now! should be ready next friday :)
I think the most importent to build a thocky keyboard is make sure you use a material that has a solid, like alumunium, and foam to reduce a vibration. Alumunium case, foam, and ceramic keycaps are heavy material tht i'll reduce the vibrantion when u typing
The combination of wood table and clothe is really helpful 😅
I finished my first keeb yesterday ... this baby thocks.
2:00 where can i get those keycaps? I love them, it fits my colour scheme of white and black
ummmmm
Ayo 🤨🤨🤨
Ngl, the final result was so THOCCCCC and I didn't expect that. Now, I want to make my board more thocc even though I already gave a lot of thocc mod lol.
nice
Absolutely love the sound!
1:53 nice keycaps LOL
Just a quick correction, you mentioned that doubleshot PBT is the more cheaper option, but ABS is actually on the lower end for quality compared to PBT. Just letting you all know if you were confused :)
its u again
abs sucks
Thank you I was confused there😅
High-end ABS sets like ones from GMK are generally the most expensive because they produce the highest quality legends with their double shot process. ABS plastic also allows for basically any colour combination imaginable. They are vastly different from the cheapo dogshit ABS shinethrough keycaps that gaming keyboards usually come with and are usually what people refer to when people say that ABS is inferior to PBT.
PBT naturally has more resistance to shine than ABS, but since most PBT sets are dye sub, quality of legends can get close but will not match the quality of GMK Doubleshots. Dye sub also limits colour combinations to strictly darker shade legends on lighter shade keycaps. Reverse dye sub is an option, but is not common and is hard to get right.
One material isn't simply better than the other, it just depends on what you value more in your keycaps. High-end ABS if you're looking for more colour options and crisper legends, PBT if you hate shine and can live with not having the highest possible quality legends.
@@Leo-cv5mh me personally, i care about sound so thats why i prefer pbt
Love your keycaps. I am intrigued by the increase of thocc through decrease of dampener. It is a matter of density I wonder? Thanks for this video!
yesss
nice keycaps in the switch comparisons😏😏
U shld review ttc hey and base it on Hipyo tech cos of howdy hey 😂😂😂
throw some akko matcha greens in that i swear that keyboard will be the most thocky thing you've ever heard and smooth and quiet.
fr
You have such a nice vids!
thanks!
i thought the silicone dampener was the only thing separating the plate from the pcb. also, where did you get the replacement gaskets from?
to clear up about keycaps:
ultra budget: abs
budget: pbt
midrange-high: double shot pbt
extreme: double shot abs
thx so much lewis you are the best keyboard and content creator i have ever seen o love watchung your content and it is super helpfull
Finished my first keyboard yester and oh boy does this baby thock!!
I'm so sketched with tape mod on my epomaker th80, its my first mechanical keyboard, and alot of people saying not to use certain painters tape with a keyboard that has a battery, apparently some are conductive.
Easiest solution: electric tape
This is a really good build! (also, what about the bakeneko60, it is $130 with an aluminum case and an oring mount.
good
Yeah just way to clacky
bakeneko is amazing for its price, hell its amazing even disregarding its price. Obviously, since it uses gummy o ring it will be a bit higher pitched
@@medi6892 theres no such thing as too clacky
just kidding its preference
Amazing results!
fhank
Did you use the 62g or 68g U4Ts here?
It’s so thoccy
i liked your video and subscribed , best keyboard modding video i've seen so far, keep going
lewis using the ahegao keycaps knowing he won't get demonetised cos the caps are translucent
xd
Sneaky little ba-
BRUH
GG
Sounds really good! ❤
(and it looks amazing)
gg
The THOCC is impressive !!
thanks!!
I’m excited for this one! Love ur content keep it up
appreciate it
4:29 Where do you get those Keycaps? And also can the GMK Keycaps can work too?
link down below, pbtfans spark!
1:56 keycaps lookin sus
very good and informative video, hope you the best in life bro!
If the masking or painters tape uses acrylic (a fairly common material used in those tapes) then yes, you should be worried about shorting the pcb...
1:53 nice keycaps bro
plz reply in the last scene of you typing what keycaps are those
mt3 god speed, check the link in desc!
Fire video lewis ❤️
thanks man
Hey man, great video. I had a doubt @5:51. You said you replaced the PCB foam (which i assume means the foam between the PCB and the plate) but your video shows you replacing the case foam (lying between your pcb and case). Which one did you replace? Also, what kind of foam did you replace it with? Thanks
there is a foam called pcb foam, it goes at the back of the pcb, i removed that and used a normal poron case foam
@@LewisToh did you remove the original case foam, the white one? or did you leave it there and add the poron foam on top of it
another good switch is the Akko v3 Jelly Black
Wpm? I think it should be changed to thocc per second (tps)
So I’m a little confused about what you did with that silicone dampener. You mentioned that you replaced it with a gasket and kept that same silicone dampener on the bottom of the case?
what are the best budget thocky tactile switches ?
pleaseeee tell me where that blue sky desk mat is from
its called aesthetic skies deskmat
I think PBT is the higher quality material because it's also oil resistant inherently and the material is also just more expensive
Double Shot ABS is more expensive and easier to mold so is used in more applications so yeah I think PBT is definitely the key caps to go towards if you can. Obvs the manufacturer can make a better ABS keycap set than another manufacturer that did PBT so but generally speaking PBT is better and higher quality
fell asleep at 6:45😴
2:10 caught in 4K
Can you do a video on the creamiest silent switches? I want to write my book in cafes but I don't want to be disturbing others with my Aula f99 as I type fast and heavy. Thank you for your videos. I just discovered you and find your videos helpful!
Can you mode the GAS67 please? It’s the best value keyboard on the market rn by far
posting that next week!
hey could you tell me where you grabbed those poron gaskets? thanks 🙏
ngl i had them extra from some a random keychron q2
BEWARE - I tried removing the silicone and replacing it with D65 gaskets on my KBD67 lite and it actually made the keyboard a lot clackier.
I have the same config as lewis with boba ufts and some pbt cherry profile keycaps and even followed what he did exactly tried different gasket placements. But I ended up comparing a before and after sound test that I did myself and you could hear even through the bad microphone.
I reverted this mod back to silicone and kbd switch pads and it was clear that the sound was deeper after going back. Just something to keep in mind if you plan on doing this.
(my theory is that the silicone added a lot of weight to board and this is necessary to achieve this deep sound)
Silicone doesnt make it less thocky it just makes it more muted but if u consider a muted sound a thock then yes keep the silicone.
@@QuickE23 not what I said, not what I mean, and most importantly not true (for me). It was actually deeper, not muted. Now I do believe that any kind of dampening will theoretically make the board sound muted and it is actually what I have heard for the kbd67 lite from other reviewers but ig for my config it just didn't help at all. I spent a whole day testing as I thought I was going crazy since I thought for sure that the pitch of the board would decrease and the sound would open up. When I added it back there was a noticeably deeper sound. Something that I also think helped was leaving the plate and pcb screws and have the board be friction mounted, this did deepen the sound for me.
However, you should you know that I was using the kbdfans switch pads (full kbd67 variant) this may have played a role in my results.
pls do a review on the ciy tester 84
i have a review on the tester 68, go check it!
The tester 68 and the 84 are different keybs made by the same company
WHAT ARE THOSE KEYCAPS BRO
I just love how you say keyboard! 😊
Good but do we lube the switches and is there another more budget friendly option in the switch side
the keycaps your using on the sound test on the switvhes tho
huh
@@LewisToh don't act innocent 😹
2:00 those keycaps hmmmmmmm
huh
@lewis Toh at 2:20 playing with youtube's guidelines i see.
xd
Hello you earned a sub and like im about to buy the upcoming krush 65 polycarbonate version they have 2 kinds of mount o ring and top mount? Can you help me to choose what stabs plate switches and keycaps to choose pls
Finding the u4t is kinda in the nutshell in 2023. The price went crazy tbh. But when you are deep enough in the keyboard rabbit hole, the most important thing is how it feels to type not the sound.
can you do this video but on creamy keyboards?
If someone is creating a custom mechanical keyboard cause they are after that certain type of sound when the key is pressed. Should end up thinking about the material of the desk surface as well cause it does have a effect on it.
5:50 Do you still remember what type of foam you used and how thick it was?
Still waiting for the foam thickness... (btw it poron foam)
@glad8411 bro, it has been a year but hey thanks
i love you bro i wish i have a keyb like that
love the vid man
thank you
are those the hentAI key caps on the thock tests
wow you really know your stuff
How thick is the foam you ended up using?
i see those keycaps buddy
also, how about boba lt
i heard that it is the same as the u4t but linear
With the KBD67 LITE R4 MECHANICAL KEYBOARD DIY KIT what switches size fit 62g or 68g?
the weight of the switch wont affect how it fits in the keyboard lol
I'm in love with those keycaps. Holy. Could someone tell me its name, please?
its linked in the desc
@@LewisToh you made my day
Could you please link that livestream you mention?
Boba defo *THOCK* no doubt
yes
1:53 dont be shy show more of the keycaps.
Ummm… whet keycaps did i just see on the on the switch comparison?
huh
Learned a lot, W video
"a thocky keyboii" lmao
oiii
@@LewisToh
pog
nice keycaps where can i get does?
it restocked! link in description
where is the keyboard pad? I can't find one with such a perfect side for my keyboard
i know the majority used PE foam between the plate and switches but are there any differences using different type of foam for the case? i can't decide which foam to use for filling those empty space in my case.
Yes some foam is better at sound reduction
2:30 man just forgot holy bobas exist
4:53 where can i get this desk mat?
Hi there, am I missing something, or can those switches only be picked up in Singapore?
I’m in the US and would like them shipped.
im guessing that the nature of the board is somewhat hollow and thats how it produces the thocky sound
I think it's somewhat the opposite. Foam adds thock because it reduces hallowness and resonance
This is legit my exact keyboard lmfao (just the r3 and not the r4 but as you said they're the same thing just different colors)
You gotta get your hands on those ceramic keycaps for even more thock
soon i will get them
New to keyboarding, what typing program is he using when showcasing the thocc???
monkeytype!
@@LewisToh eyyy thank you so much!!!