How To Run Your Pedalboard In Stereo
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I've received some messages lately of people who are still confused by stereo rigs.
In this video, I will break down the very basic principles of what you need to do to get a stereo pedalboard. The different examples will show you what is necessary to do according to different combinations and placement of mono & stereo pedals.
Of course, there are other ways of setting up a stereo rig, but I think this is the most simple way to do it.
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I said in the video I would put a link to learn more about stereo splitting, but TH-cam doesn't allow End screens and Annotations at the same time, so here is the link:
Pedalboard Tips #4 - To learn more about stereo splitting: th-cam.com/video/ZxVwkt9tl7A/w-d-xo.html
Have you done a video just on wet/dry? I really want to run my amps in a wet/dry setup using my Boss ES-5 but it's a mono looper, and I don't know how to do it.
Bro...why dont you just get a switching system like the Boss ES-8 or the gig rig g2?
What is the difference in wet/dry and stereo set up?
How would you go from mono to a two input two output stereo? How would you use stereo pedals with an ABY?
This video is perfect timing for me. I am starting to build my first stereo pedalboard.
Great minds think alike ;)
For the last exemple, the solution is very simple if you want to keep the mono term at the end;A/B box (Morley for exemple). You get in mono and you have two outputs: A for amp 1 B for amp 2.
Thanks for the good example! My goal with this video was to get the most simple I could to explain this to beginners. I see a lot of you know how to go deeper into it! I doubt someone who is new to stereo pedalboard would like to use an A/B box, programmable loop pedals, MIDI synchronisation.
But clearly, that's really nice to see some other solutions in the comment section, I like it, keep them coming :)
So bro, we need 2 guitar amps for this stereo set up? 😮
@@mrsnakepit Yes. Same goes for HiFi-sets, only they mostly have two amps in one chassis.
Wow! I just happened to stumble upon your pedalboard tips #6 and man, I think I'm ditching my drive pedals now to focus on a stereo rig, particularly an ambient setup. The difference between mono and stereo is just massive! Right now I only have the gfi clockword delay v2 and a marshall reflector reverb, and I hope that could work out fine. Now it's time to get a 2nd amp. Thanks a bunch sir for the eye opener :)
Best stereo pedal explained I could find thank you.
I certainly have a problem it all started with my boss super chorus b output now I understand what it's for and how to utilize it thank you!!
+Tip :
You need isolation when using 2 amps..
My recommendation would be to buy a Humdinger from TheGigRig to avoid ground loops and phasing issues when connecting in stereo, before you fry something.
I'm not an expert on the matter or electricity in general, there is a whole episode on multi amp setups on That Pedal Show channel on TH-cam that I suggest checking out. My guess is there is some interaction between amps which requires isolation of both instrument levels, and also to phase de-sync can be an issue. A splitter device like the humdinger removes both problems.
Nice an helpful videolesson, Antoine! BUT: You SHOULD run your signals from your last stereo pedal through an isolated ABY splitter to avoid hum and posible frequency cancellation (reduced signal over some frequencies). It also might be hazardous without an isolated splitter if your gear is not proberly grounded. The splitter must therefore be equipped with electrical isolated outputs like the Lehle Little Dual ABY splitter or others. A low cost splitter like i.e. the FenderABY is only equipped with a simple contact switcher and is not reccomendable in my opinion.
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Thanks for the help! I finally purchased my second stereo pedal and didn’t know how to connect it with my current setup, thanks for your help! I really appreciate it 🙌🏻
I use a Radial Twin City to split the signal at the end of the board. Works extremely well and no issues with grounding/phase., etc.
Here's my recommendation. Do everything pre-amp in mono, then put everything post-amp through as few boxes as possible. There are some great multi-effects boxes with delay, chorus, flanging, phasing, tremolo etc. all there in one box. I don't use pedals for that sort of thing.
I use a Line 6 multi-effects unit, but there are plenty of options. It makes things sooooo much simpler. You can have preset configurations that you can recall with a single button, and it can go directly into a PA or computer. No double amplifier so less equipment to lug around. Simple!
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Very helpful information about using a splitter cable into the following stereo pedal. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for explaining this so clearly. I also appreciate the link to that splitter. Stereo splitting cables can be confusing.
you saved my life.
I've got a tip for you: Take your mono Vibrato (I recommend analog) and plug it into the R or L channel only. And there you have a very beautiful stereo chorus!
Wet/Dry with VIbrato is the best! Especially with a boosted overdrive and delay. It just sounds huge.
Boss Vibrato Wazacraft is good
Doing this way, you are going to have ground loops hum in the amps. So don't forget to use a ground isolator like the Radial Shotgun. And you have to be careful about phase problems between amps. For example some amps reverse the phase on the lead channel and others don't reverse it.
good video, but i need stereo on the loop effects , y use= guitar---> Mxr ABY---> imput amp A and imput amp B, so... i need a stereo delay but in the both FX loops of this 2 amps
Such a clearly explained video, thanks!
Glad it was helpful :-)
Very informative video mate! Thank you for this..
No problem :)
Strymon has option for trs input on stereo pedals. A trs mono input to stereo outputs
Hi, Antoine! This video is very well made, and it's rare to see on youtube tutorial about this stereo thing (that always bugs me).
I have this problem, want to record in stereo through audio interface: Guitar-->Strymon Sunset-->Timeline-->Big Sky-->Ditto Looper-->Audio Interface (Focusrite 2i2). If I understood what are you saying in the video, the best thing to do is to:
1) get rid of ditto at the end of signal since it's mono, then
2) place the timeline after the big sky and use the looper in the timeline to replace the ditto, then
3) use the stereo breakout cable and go straight in the audio interface (then in daw and set the track to stereo)
Is it correct or I have to consider something else?
Great reasoning! However, there is no need for a breakout cable, since both your Big Sky and Timeline have stereo ins and outs! So you can come out of your Timeline with one cable for LEFT and one cable for RIGHT and plug them into your two inputs of your Scarlett. The only thing you will need is a good amplifier simulator plugin inside your DAW, or else it's going to sound dull a bit going straight into your interface without any emulation.
Other solution is just to get a Ditto X4 who has stereo ins and outs, so you can keep your pedalboard chain untouched!
@@AntoineMichaudGuitar I don't know if it's possible to record simoultaneously from the two channels of the 2i2. If I remember correctly it's not possible. And if it's possible, I will have to record 2 mono tracks and then merge them together (on reaper, that it's what I use it's possible, but it's a clumsy long process). For this reason I opted for the breakout cable, since every input on the scarlett accept stereo signals, and it'll be much easier to record directly one stereo track. In the next weeks I will try both combination and let you know. Thanks for the quick reply! ;)
No, don't do that! I want to save you from a complicated setup for nothing! You can do much simpler!
I have the Scarlett 2i2 myself and can indeed record 2 tracks at the same time. On the website it clearly says: ''Perfect for recording two mics at once!''.
Even if you record 2 mono tracks, it IS a stereo track. You just have to pan one to the Left and the other to the Right and... BOOM! You got your stereo recording. I record like this since years! I find it even better than a stereo track, because with two mono tracks panned, you have seperate control on the volume of the left and right sides. So if you inadvertently recorded one side quieter than the other, you can adjust each side seperately, which you can't do on a summed up stereo track.
@@AntoineMichaudGuitar Thanks a lot! Now that I know what I have to do it's time to shop for a good pair of quality cables. ;) Do you have suggestions?
The best are Mogami cables! Just check the difference of noise ratio with regular cables: th-cam.com/video/tUG4FkRSf2c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you so much for the good stereo advises!
Man, you're super helpful! Thanks a bunch!
True stereo tremolo pedal that you could put at the end of your chain - Source Audio Vertigo.
Source Audio is up there with TC Electronic and Strymon for stereo pedals. In fact, they go one better with true stereo drive pedals (the LA Lady, Kingmaker and Aftershock ones), so you can have practically all of your signal chain in stereo.
Thanks for the suggestion!
I should've said in my first comment, the other true stereo tremolo I know of is the EHX Super Pulsar. It's incredibly fancy, it has to be one of, if not the, fanciest tremolo pedal there is. But it's expensive, at €259. The Vertigo is €178. (Thomann prices). They're both great. The Vertigo will do practically anything you'd normally ask from a tremolo. The Super Pulsar will do that plus a few more unique and interesting things.
Can you do a video on how you’re running your board? I take it you are using Efx loop on that board show, also using your drive channels on different amp..?
You could run the stereo out from the delay then put a seperate tremelo (if you have 2 haha) on each path before the amp.
Good stuff on your channel by the way, I'm subbed x
Clever idea, but I doubt someone would want to press the switches to 2 tremolo pedals at the same time when that effect is needed ;) Thanks for subscribing!
A programmable loop pedal can make it happen in one button press.
Personnally, I wouldn't go into that much trouble for that and I would just buy a stereo tremolo pedal ;)
@@AntoineMichaudGuitar I had a stereo tremolo pedal but it only had a mono input which I found absurd. All stereo pedals should have stereo ins and outs. Otherwise, you end up with stupid compromises and effects that can't be used to their potential.
what happens if the cabling routing between 2 pedals is very tight, and in order to be able to run the 2 pedals in stereo I plug the stereo out of pedal 1 into the not stereo out of pedal 2 and the stereo out of pedal 2 into the not stereo out of pedal 1 ??? Would I still get the stereo effect ??? Or putting these in other words to not be confuse, insted of conecting the mono out of pedal 1 to the mono in of pedal 2 and stereo out of pedal 1into stereo out of pedal 2 ( to make the stereo connection ) you connect the mono out of pedal 1 into the stereo in of pedal 2 and the stereo out of pedal 1 into the mono in of pedal 2, still stereo effect ??
Normal stereo connections :
Pedal 1 Mono out ---------- Pedal 2 Mono in
Pedal 2 Stereo Out ---------Pedal 2 Stereo In
What Im asking :
Pedal 1 Mono Out ------- Pedal 2 Stereo In
Pedal 1 Stereo Out -------- Pedal 2 Mono In ----------- Still stereo FX ???
Thanks anybody ----
That was great. Good job!
This was very helpful. Thank you. 🙌👍
Thanks a MILLION Dude
My pleasure 😊
The ending. Hahahahahaha. Love it.
Very clear and helpful, thank you!!!
My pleasure!
Thank you very much for this video! I am new to effects pedals so mine are all basic with only 1 input and 1 output and they are all at the front of the amp. I used the black and red splitter from the output of the last pedal in the chain and then connected the 2 cables to 2 amps. I just kept both amps on a clean setting and I got a much fuller sound than I do with just 1 amp. Now I can experiment with different amp settings and maybe placing an effect or 2 after the split so it just goes to 1 amp. Thanks!
Unlimited possibilities from now on :) Stay tuned on my channel as I will talk more about it in the future. Because stereo can mean having other issues like phase problems between both amps. This is the basics, but I will try to cover as much as I can in future episodes! Thanks James!
Yes, I will stay tuned! And I forgot to mention earlier that I subscribed to your channel. I like your videos! Thank you very much for posting.
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This was very helpful
Excellent, thanks!
1.Hi first example, suppose delay is also mono and only reverb is stereo....is it still possible for stereo sound?
2. Regarding using two amps how do we set them for best sound? For worship perse or in general live sound.
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Thanks bro. Helpful.
Thank you! 🙏
Great video!!
a very thorough how to
Hey Anotnie :) thanks for this nice simple explanation.
I have two questions:
1- In your Daw do you leave the two channels on center or you pan one max to the left and one max to the right?
2- i always wanted to ask you what mics are you using for the amps?
Thanks in advance:)
Yousef Kekhia Yes, you pan the amps all the way to the right and left in your DAW! And I'm using Shure SM57 microphones for ampa. Very basic! Thanks!
Hahahaha! Awesome, trying to plug in the 1/4 cable to the spua-trem where there is no output. I like the humor on this one.
Hahaha :D
Hum...nice trick! Now...can I make this work with my Rocktron loop8? I'm only running stereo pedals thru it, so I wonder how to bring mono pedals in my board, hum...
Thanks!
Can I connect two mono pedals with Stereo cable?
Will the Boss Line LS-2 or Electro Harmonix switchblade/switchblade plus accept a stereo input?
I have a question .. the end of my chain is Guitar --- stereo chorus(one input and 2 outputs) --- stereo looper(2 inputs and 2 outputs) === to amp 1, amp 2 So the question is .. should I connect the 2 outputs of the chorus to the 2 inputs of the looper Or I just should connect the chorus via only 1 cable (the mono output) to the mono input of the Looper and then out of the two outputs of the looper to amp1 and amp2.
It loooks like this
1. ---- Chorus ==Looper === amps or
2. ----- Chorus --- Looper === amps
The looper doesn't add any effect so splitting it there doesn't do anything for you. The chorus does, and the looper in stereo passes it on. Putting the chorus in mono defeats the purpose.
Awesome!
I just bought a lehle stereo volume pedal and I want to put it after my drive pedals but. I have 3 strymon pedals at the end.I'm not sure how to hook it up in stereo properly.Any suggestions????
Let's say you are out of phase on your amps if you are simply using a mono to stereo signal. Is the only way to realistically solve that by using a phase inverter/shifter or something on one of the signals?
I watched your other videos. Having a stereo set up is awesome. I'm wondering how can I do this stereo settings from a mono pedal and stereo pedal that has 2 inputs and outputs? I've tried but it sounds not even to me.
Lo solucionaste ?
Merci pour ton vidéo!!! A partir du moment que tu as des pédales stéréo tu dois absolument brancher les deux sorties…j’ai la boss rv6 au milieu de mon board suivie d’une pedal mono et je fini avec mon delay qui à deux output…
Good video
Hey!
I'm wondering what's considered the best options for a great, absolutely amazing "pitch shifter/Harmony effect"?
Specifically with a 'digital piano, synth' and Rhodes.
I imagine "stereo" is the better way to go in this situation. Not necessarily?
The signal from my digital piano is probably also going to be more powerful than most effects pedals are made for right? So I'll start with a very low volume and test from there so that you don't damage the pedal. Is it worth getting a reamp box? Is one or two needed?
How about just lowering the piano's volume line - to the outputs level to the level the pedals take.
What gear would you personally recommend?
learned alot, tnx... btw, what is the name of the pedal jacks you use? looks practical
So if I want to stereo three strymons together I’ll need two of those cables to go stereo out to input, stereo out to input to amp 1 & amp 2?
Always wanted to ask someone that bought these patch cables. Honest question, I'm not being a smart ass: Why spend so much on patch cables? Do they really make a difference? I just checked, it's 17 dollars for a little 6 inch cable. Traditionally, quality matters most on longer run cables so I never understood why someone would pay so much for little patch cables, especially when you can get very high quality ones for much less. Thanks
i love strymon pedals stereo sound...very 3d et deep sound
now i want a second amp!!!
Strymon pedals are at their best in stereo, for sure!
So you are sacrificing your sound capabilities of the chain for stereo.?
So, in the first example...your guitar is plugged into the tuner and the two cables going into your amps are plugged into the reverb pedal?
Yes!
@@AntoineMichaudGuitar Thank you! So, I'm using the timeline and Boss Reverb RV-6. Does left output (timeline) go to input A (rv-6) and right output go to input B? And does the cables going into the amps have to be in a certain way too? Output A going to the left amp and output B to the right? Thank you so much for the help!
So if we have only one jack for the input and one Jack for the output can we assume that it is a mono pedal and if so how can we use it with stereo pedals in the stereo chain? How do you tell if they are mono or not?
I have the omec teleport with two monos, the tc viscous vibe and the strymon. Must I start running them all in stereo, or just the last two? Will the viscous vibe lose some effect if I ran it in mono?
Hi Antoine, do you ever have any problems with solderless patch cables... a lot of people don't recommend them but they look so practical, flexible and short! I'd like to build a stereo pedal board and I need a lot of patch cables :)
Great information... Thank you !! What kind of pedal cables are you using?
How about the zoom g5n multi effects ?
So I have a aby pedal running dry and wet effects to two amps. I have an old boss DD-3 in front of the wet amp. My question is since the DD3 delay has a direct out. Can I also run that into the dry Amps effects loop return or would it require a second input from the fx loop send? Hope that makes sense. I’m guessing I’ll need to get another delay with two inputs/outputs. Thanks!! Great video
I want to ask, if I use a stereo to 2 mono cable plugged directly from the guitar's pickup to two line in the mixer, will it be stereo? thank you
I use my amp distortion on my 5150 and the question is how about the footswitch? if i use 2 amps how to switch channel at the same time?
Is there a pedal that can break mono to stereo but also gives you a pan knob? Or do you just use an audio mixer with a pan feature for that (usually bulkier and harder to mount)?
Antoine, very helpful video. I have a question for you. I’m building a stereo pedalboard but my last pedal in my chain is a radial switchbone which only has one input. I’m in the process of seeing if it will accept a stereo breakout cable, but because the switchbone will being going to two amps, it will still be in stereo correct? The end of my chain is;
Analogman Bi chorus stereo
Strymon El Capitan
Gfi Specular Tempus
Radial Jx2 Switchbone
Amp 1
Amp 2
You can use the tremolo at the very end of a stereo pedal chain if you put it after only one of the two signals coming from the stereo pedal, while the other out goes straight to the amp. That way only one half will have the tremolo effect so that might sound weird and bad, but it might also be cool and definitely makes the stereo effect noticable.
Wrong
What if you were to need/want to buffer the signal, would you need only one buffer like the Mesa/Boogie High-wire at the beginning?
This video was posted in 2017. I am watching this now in 2022. I liked it. But I have one question in my mind. Will u still be able to answer my question?
The third example in the video, what if I don't have that mono pedal at the end, but instead want that stereo signal in the end to go to one single guitar amp for stereo effects? Is that possible? Will that converter help?
You can't have stereo with a single mono amp. It's like asking to hear in stereo with a single earbud :-) it won't work! You need a second amp for stereo sound. Hope that helps!
Can you please explain how to set up Example 1 with a synth instead of a Guitar? I use a Scarlet 2i2 and wonder how to connect it like in Example 1.
What if you want to run your delays and chorus through the effects loop?
Thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for. One question though regarding recording in stereo. Can you plug in your stereo output cables from your pedal into your interface and record in stereo? My interface has two "line ins". Wondering if the last pedal in my chain is stereo, if I could run that into the two line ins in the interface and record that way. Thanks again!
Hey David! I don't recommend plugging a guitar into the line inputs. It will sound dull and with a low level. You should plug them in the instrument inputs on the front of the interface that are made for high impedance such as plugging microphones or instruments direct in.
How long are your patch cables? Looking into getting some.
How about if I have a stereo output reverb pedal and I want to connect it to my studio monitor(presonus eris 3.5).
What cable do I use and from where should I plug it?
Is it left and right out of reverb into left of studio monitor
or
left of reverb into left and right of studio monitor
or
stereo of both?
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No one ever shows how to run pedals through stereo effects loops. I want to run my wet effects through the effects loop through two amps. How do you do that?
Nice review. Hey may I know what is the brand of your patch cables? Thanks
Very helpful video thanks! Might seem like a dumb question but if i have a pedal with 2 inputs and 2 outputs, can i plug mono into the one input and still get the signal split. Or does it have to have one input which splits into 2 outputs? A reply would be very helpful thank you!
Yes, even if the pedal has 2 inputs and 2 outputs, if you want to use it as your first stereo pedal in the chain, you can plug only 1 input (left side usually) and 2 outputs, and that would be a correct way to obtain stereo.
Question, Antoine, can I put the BOSS Chorus last, because it's in stereo?
What about pedals that have one stereo input and one stereo output TrS jack's like the Red Panda Raster 2??
Hi Great video so how you do the same thing but this time with the IR200 and DD200 from Boss please let me know thank you
I just bought the Orange Rocker 32 stereo amp. I bought a walrus mono slo multi texture reverb pedal. I should of bought a stereo reverb device. So what stereo pedal would you recommend that would pair up with the SLÖ nicely.I was thinking the Meris poly moon.
Can i place a stereo volume pedal at the end after a mono delay pedal to turn it into a stereo
I noticed you are using mono cables, even for the stereo connections. Is this okay to do, to accomplish stereo? Silly question probably, but I’m learning lol
No stupid questions here! In a simplified way, stereo only means the sum of 2 mono parts together, one to the left, one to the right. You don't need such a thing as a ''stereo cable'' to achieve stereo! Kinda like when you listen to music with earbuds: you don't need a ''stereo earbud'' in each ear. You just put one ''mono earbud'' on each ear and you can hear stereo :-) that's the same with amps and pedals!
That makes a lot of sense, thank you Antoine! Learning as I go, appreciate your help(:
Hi Antoine thank you for the video, I have a question. I'm running Guitar > Timeline > BigSky > HX Stomp (amp emulation) > PA system/soundboard. Do I need two cables from Timeline left/right Out into BigSky left/right IN, then 2 cables BigSky left/right Out into Stomp left/right In, and finally the Stomp (2 cables Out) into 2 channels of the board (2 DI boxes)?
Exactly! I would keep all of that in stereo, all the way, like you said.
i have mooer reecho pro into send/return of my joyo preamp house. I want to use the pingpong delay of my mooer. So I need to sacrifice not using the send/return of my Joyo so I can use the stereo output of Mooer. Sad
Hi, thanks for the explanations !
But I have a question : I have an Electro Harmonix Echo (1 input, 1 output) linked to my Strymon Mobius (2 inputs, 2 outputs). Do I have to split the output of my Electro Harmonix into 2 outputs to link it to the stereo inputs of my Strymon, or it doesn't matter as long as the 2 outputs of my Strymon are linked to 2 amplificators or in stereo with another pedal ?
My question is, can I leave the second input of my Strymon Mobius unlinked ?
Thanks a lot !
Could you put a stereo pedal last in your chain and then split it off to your amp there, while running everything else in mono?
Yeah that's the first example setup.
Thanks for the nice video Antoine. Do you know if I can take two mono signals (e.g. one from my drives and one from my synth pedal) and combine these into a Strymon (Flint) stereo input by using a Y cable? From there I can feed Left (synth) and Right (drives) into L and R of my Boss Looper. I will then take the synth sound (with reverb, i.e. Left OUT) into the PA, and the drives (Right OUT) into my amp. Thanks!
Hi Great video what about going in stereo to the FOH what type of pre amp or device i need. Currently i have a Boss IR 200 as my preamp so do i need another device to go to FOH direct? please let mer know thank you
I hope someone reads this. If it's a dumb question my bad. I want to know if I can have my Laney lc 50 and pedalboard running as usual with a cable going from the other output on my boss rv-3 and connect it to a little practice amp I have? Will I be able to get a little stereo effect like that?