Man, I have the exact same scatpack but with red guts, and I added dual shadow black stripes.The whole time watching, I was saying that could be my car. Love seeing the scat getting some stage love.
Had the stage 2 Comp cam , springs , Hellcat lifters , Magnaflow cat back and a catch can in my 2012 srt-8. With just that , when you punch it , you better pay attention or you may end up in a ditch or around a light pole. Love it as it's very calm if you want it to be.
@@gtojay9607 I have to look at the sheet again , but maybe next seemed kinda low also , around 450 I think. The tuner told me that any different day you can have a different number. It feels good and just in sport mode it gets real loose and that makes it more fun to me. If I'm rolling at around 25 or 30 mph , that's when it really stands up. I'll look at that sheet again for you. Hell , there may be a better tune out there that could make a difference. Also , the tuner reprogrammed the trans for harder shifts. Made another big difference.
I did the math if anyone’s curious, stock it was making 429 baseline I think it said, but i did the measured factory powered: 485 Unlocked ecu, headers and jlt intake it goes from 485 to 592.27 hp, THATS if it reached peak on the Dyno, cammed it would possibly reach peak 673.38 hp, doesn’t sound true but adding all those power gain numbers up that’s what you get, with the correct tuning and stuff
I’m glad you guys stuck with one engine . Richard Holdner did a test with a 5.7 but then changes to it being a stroker engine . Not exactly apples to apples type “testing” .
I love these videos because they go into detail and steps with the stages and how much each makes power but i wish they’d do these on a 5.7 because so many people have those and they came out the factory pretty much choked up made to not perform like the 6.2 or 6.4
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Witchcraft... lol. Very informative and surprisingly calming vid. Just purchased a scat and going down the mod worm hole and found this. Keep up the great work all you perfectly normal techs.
That’s awesome. I have a stage 1/2 without the headers and a TB. It seems headers are a small bump across all the mods. I like the stage 3 cam and tune
Impressive results, specially in the midrange. Amazing how much you've "cleaned up" the transition [between long runner & short runner] with the stock OE intake plastic manifold. Wonder how an aftermarket aluminum manifold would perform? Question: I can see from the video that you offer a Stage 3 (camshaft) option; Do you offer upgraded Heads (example: Edelbrock heads)? And "drop-in" pistons/rods (forged) upgrade? Options for increased cr (N/A) or lower cr (boost application)? Thanks! Tom M. '21Challenger SP/WB, 8A.
You should overlay each stages dyno over the previous stage's so we can see the difference in stages under the curve. Looks like headers were worth 5-6 ft lbs and maybe 10whp at peak over stage 1's intake/tune
Not sure why headers are such poor performers on our hemis. I'd like to see 2 1/8 in primaries with 3.5in collectors for my Hellcat. We.make.big block low end torque but have header choices used for.naturally aspirated motors. Not.surr why this is the norm. We also only rev these engines to mid 6k or 7k. Not enough rpm for huge power. We need TI intake valves, Manton rocker shafts Stanke collars and braces, probably roller rockers and 7500rpm limits. This would bring the 6.4 and 6.2 up to where it needs to be
@@mikew6135 mostly because the stock headers are very well optimized and are high flow shorties. I think the longtubes are worth if you plan on adding a cam and/or motor work but for the cost I don’t think I’d do em until I did a cam at minimum. If you took the cats off you might see 5-10whp more but a lot of people wont do that anymore. Your hellcat should easily make power to 6600+ stock looking at a few dynos, everyone lets off so early at 6100ish with hp still going up on the curve. I haven’t seen any rocker arms made for our hemis except the Arrington ones and I don’t think they are being made anymore
The camshaft seems to be a little underwhelming in gains unless it was meant to be an extremely mild one. From stage 1-2 the gains were only 9 rwhp .. that’s also a little underwhelming for headers and high flow cats. Possible showing that the oem stuff is fairly decent flowing. The cam over stage 2 only picks up 26rwhp 😳. Again maybe just extremely mild and stock-like manners. I know if it were me it would be getting ported heads, hollow valves and a huge solid roller cam 😎
Would you all add a supercharger from a Redeye challenger, on a R/T scat pack challenger for me? 😂 I know there’s more that would need to be done but just trying to find the best place to have it worked on…this video definitely convinced me. SUBSCRIBED!!!
Best mods in my opinion are ported intake, throttle body, and cold air intake for the money. The others cost a lot more and see a lot more involvedfor the same 20hp gains
Umm the long tub headers, and cam alone smoke everything else on this list. You want to go faster in a car that already gets it it won’t be cheap. You sound like you think in terms of a Honda Civic and eBay. Do your self a fav and don’t buy a 45,000 dollar car yet till you get more knowledge and wisdom under your belt.
$10k ?! Buy a Procharger or Whipple kit Spend $1k for shop to install Use the tune included with the kit Put remaining $ into suspension Make 130 whp over stock no problem
How much does it cost for the stage 3 package? I have a 2019 Dodge Daytona scat pack. I just had the Corsa Extreme installed on my car. Where are you guys located?
Does the air get better when actually driving? My 1985 Corvette picked up almost nothing on a dyno (unless the hood was closed) but had a real ram air set up that picked up at speed.
Only 10 Hp gains with long tubes...I don't think the price for long tube headers is worth 10hp. The stock shorty headers seem pretty good from factory.
What if I have a Shaker and would like to keep it without switching stock CAI. Any chance Stage 1 could involve everything but replacing stock CAI, then proceed to stage 2?
I noticed this Challenger has the hood with the heat extractor vents over the open box air filter. How do you keep water from getting on the filter when it rains or car wash?
Great question. Power from the OEM manufacturer is measured on an engine dyno outside of the car, whereas most performance shops measure power on a chassis dyno. This tells us what the vehicle is making to the ground after turning everything. It is important as things like the transmission, rear end, tires, etc. make big differences in power numbers.
Yeah but I'm 💯 sure you can do better than those numbers NA. Power Nation did a full rebuild.with parts just like you guys did sort of and engine dyno showed 574 NA HP so to figure that in RWHP take away.abou 35 to 40 hp.and those.are gonna relatively be your numbers. Yall need a dyno calibration test done
Thank you for your input, however drivetrain loss is typically more than that. We have two identical dynos at our locations and they always read spot on with each other when we transfer vehicles to and from.
Thanks for the question! The JLT Performance air-intake system is the main component of the Stage-1 package, but we can certainly do a tune-only with the options.
Good question! We view a supporting modification as required if its absence results in loss of core functionality. For example, properly matched valve springs to the camshaft are a required supporting component, as the absence of these would result in serious issues. While an air-oil separator is a highly recommended option, it is not required for core functionality of these packages.
Hey! The price varies a bit model year to model year. I encourage you to reach out to one of our Performance Consultants for a detailed quote! nationalspeedinc.com/contact/
Hey Dan! It varies depending on your specific vehicle. You can view all of our performance packages on our site here: nationalspeedinc.com/dodge-challenger-mopar-performance-modifications/ You can also fill out our contact form, and a Performance Consultant will reach out to you so you can build a custom quote! nationalspeedinc.com/contact/
Hey David! Feel free to fill out our form on our website, a Performance Consultant will reach out to you with details on options and pricing: www.nationalspeedinc.com/contact
i saw a video that said you need forged heads when adding a better camshaft is this true in this scenario or can you just add another camshaft just like that ???
Man, I have the exact same scatpack but with red guts, and I added dual shadow black stripes.The whole time watching, I was saying that could be my car. Love seeing the scat getting some stage love.
I’d like to see a stage 4 package with a larger throttle body and ported intake manifold
Great call out, that sounds like the perfect compliment to the already advertised packages!
I want to see that also.
7:35 he mentions adding the hellcat throttle body and a ported intake
Good call! As inVolved Garage mentioned, we offer that as an option with this package. We'll publish a video on that next opportunity!
@@NationalSpeedInc you can use my scat pack as the test subject if needed 👀😂
Had the stage 2 Comp cam , springs , Hellcat lifters , Magnaflow cat back and a catch can in my 2012 srt-8. With just that , when you punch it , you better pay attention or you may end up in a ditch or around a light pole. Love it as it's very calm if you want it to be.
How much power to the wheels did you make man? I just got mine done and I got 433 to the wheels..thought that was kinda low
@@gtojay9607 I have to look at the sheet again , but maybe next seemed kinda low also , around 450 I think. The tuner told me that any different day you can have a different number. It feels good and just in sport mode it gets real loose and that makes it more fun to me. If I'm rolling at around 25 or 30 mph , that's when it really stands up. I'll look at that sheet again for you. Hell , there may be a better tune out there that could make a difference. Also , the tuner reprogrammed the trans for harder shifts. Made another big difference.
Me watching from California like 🥺
Leave the state
Frlz built my car so much now I can’t even drive the thing
Same 😭😭😭
Leave. It’s a 💩 hole
Commi*fornia
Really enjoy the well shot and thoroughly documented process.
I did the math if anyone’s curious, stock it was making 429 baseline I think it said, but i did the measured factory powered: 485
Unlocked ecu, headers and jlt intake it goes from 485 to 592.27 hp, THATS if it reached peak on the Dyno, cammed it would possibly reach peak 673.38 hp, doesn’t sound true but adding all those power gain numbers up that’s what you get, with the correct tuning and stuff
No way you are getting 592 crank HP from a tune, intake , and headers.
@@danieljohn4603 smaller things add a lot more power than you expect, a cai adds about 13-20 hp
It'd really be nice, to do a base run of
0-60.. 1/8.. 1/4mile run.. (Before & After)
..Everything is Installed!
We need more videos like this
I’m glad you guys stuck with one engine . Richard Holdner did a test with a 5.7 but then changes to it being a stroker engine . Not exactly apples to apples type “testing” .
Getting the stage 3 package on my 5.7 in December!
Outstanding video that lays out quite well the stages. I have a late model Scat Charger that I'm now thinking could use the Stage 1 and 2 treatment...
I love these videos because they go into detail and steps with the stages and how much each makes power but i wish they’d do these on a 5.7 because so many people have those and they came out the factory pretty much choked up made to not perform like the 6.2 or 6.4
Imagine being 5' 7'" and looking at someone 6'2" or 6'4" and thinking "imma upgrade through dead lifts and pullups." No replacement for displacement.
@@ricky-sanchezlol the 5.7 block can actually handle boost unlike 6.1s or 6.4s. Real easy to get 700+ hp out of a 5.7 without tearing down the block.
Yessir..got mine last week 🙋🏿🙋🏿🙋🏿
That's a really thorough cam package. I'm intrigued.
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I like slipping the nine inch nails in the soundtrack.
Great music choice of NIN
Great video! Just added a BGE block 6.4 to my 300C and it is great to see how the mods raise the power.
Drop in those forged Pistons.
Witchcraft... lol. Very informative and surprisingly calming vid. Just purchased a scat and going down the mod worm hole and found this. Keep up the great work all you perfectly normal techs.
We're glad you liked it, Samuel! We'll keep it up.
Yes so good to see NORMAL calm professionals working on these cars.
Omg some of these guys on other channels are weirdos.
As a fellow SP owner, I feel it’s only necessary to warn ya, That’s a very deep “wormhole”! 😂
Love it I'm excited, I will be taking my 392 charger to you guys 👍🏼💪🏽
That’s awesome. I have a stage 1/2 without the headers and a TB. It seems headers are a small bump across all the mods. I like the stage 3 cam and tune
Great video! I guess i must be Stage 3
that ol'Challenger should run lil'Stout.. looks 'n sounds nice, too!
"Not a bad way to spend 10 thousand dollars" D. Toretto
Surprised how little the longtubes added after the intake
Might take my 22 scat widebody to you guys for this after my deployment 🤷♂️
Im so confused why the scat pack is 485hp stock and its only getting the same HP with a stage 3 setup???
Impressive results, specially in the midrange. Amazing how much you've "cleaned up" the transition [between long runner & short runner] with the stock OE intake plastic manifold. Wonder how an aftermarket aluminum manifold would perform? Question: I can see from the video that you offer a Stage 3 (camshaft) option; Do you offer upgraded Heads (example: Edelbrock heads)? And "drop-in" pistons/rods (forged) upgrade? Options for increased cr (N/A) or lower cr (boost application)? Thanks! Tom M. '21Challenger SP/WB, 8A.
You should overlay each stages dyno over the previous stage's so we can see the difference in stages under the curve. Looks like headers were worth 5-6 ft lbs and maybe 10whp at peak over stage 1's intake/tune
Not sure why headers are such poor performers on our hemis. I'd like to see 2 1/8 in primaries with 3.5in collectors for my Hellcat. We.make.big block low end torque but have header choices used for.naturally aspirated motors. Not.surr why this is the norm. We also only rev these engines to mid 6k or 7k. Not enough rpm for huge power. We need TI intake valves, Manton rocker shafts Stanke collars and braces, probably roller rockers and 7500rpm limits. This would bring the 6.4 and 6.2 up to where it needs to be
@@mikew6135 mostly because the stock headers are very well optimized and are high flow shorties. I think the longtubes are worth if you plan on adding a cam and/or motor work but for the cost I don’t think I’d do em until I did a cam at minimum. If you took the cats off you might see 5-10whp more but a lot of people wont do that anymore. Your hellcat should easily make power to 6600+ stock looking at a few dynos, everyone lets off so early at 6100ish with hp still going up on the curve. I haven’t seen any rocker arms made for our hemis except the Arrington ones and I don’t think they are being made anymore
@@mikew6135 hp peak at 6k to 7k is enough to make big power
The camshaft seems to be a little underwhelming in gains unless it was meant to be an extremely mild one. From stage 1-2 the gains were only 9 rwhp .. that’s also a little underwhelming for headers and high flow cats. Possible showing that the oem stuff is fairly decent flowing. The cam over stage 2 only picks up 26rwhp 😳. Again maybe just extremely mild and stock-like manners. I know if it were me it would be getting ported heads, hollow valves and a huge solid roller cam 😎
The best dollar per horsepower mod is a supercharger :)
@@NationalSpeedIncdid you replace pistons to forged?
No High Volume Oil pump?
So you need to go stage 1 or 3 bc 2 isn’t worth 10 extra horsepower. The tune done more for the stage1 than anything
Would you all add a supercharger from a Redeye challenger, on a R/T scat pack challenger for me? 😂 I know there’s more that would need to be done but just trying to find the best place to have it worked on…this video definitely convinced me. SUBSCRIBED!!!
track car, no warranty.
This is what I’m trying to accomplish with my grand Cherokee
You'll love the performance!
Are the peak mid range power gains mostly due to tuning through the rpm where the intake switches from short to long runners?
Love it!
geez that is awesome. I'm in Arizona I think the transport would be more than stage three.It would be worth it though
We'd love to get your set up! If you'd like to learn more, shoot us an email to sales@nationalspeedinc.com.
Awesome video
hope to see a heads change
Best mods in my opinion are ported intake, throttle body, and cold air intake for the money. The others cost a lot more and see a lot more involvedfor the same 20hp gains
Umm the long tub headers, and cam alone smoke everything else on this list. You want to go faster in a car that already gets it it won’t be cheap. You sound like you think in terms of a Honda Civic and eBay. Do your self a fav and don’t buy a 45,000 dollar car yet till you get more knowledge and wisdom under your belt.
@@travis4308 He's trying to say it's not worth paying 10k for a weak 20 hp increase and still get smoked by a honda lol.
$10k ?!
Buy a Procharger or Whipple kit
Spend $1k for shop to install
Use the tune included with the kit
Put remaining $ into suspension
Make 130 whp over stock no problem
@@Highlander1432 on a 6.4? Lol hell no. A 5.7 yes
@@just_a5.7
Really ?
How much does a 6.4 make with a procharger kit with supplied tune
those are some good gains imagine with a 2 step or turbo dammmm i want to see a turbo with this setup
"Imagine with a 2 step....." a "2 step" doesn't add power. It is simply a lower RPM limiter designed to aid in launching at the track.
How much does it cost for the stage 3 package? I have a 2019 Dodge Daytona scat pack. I just had the Corsa Extreme installed on my car. Where are you guys located?
would love to do it but would void the warranty...when the warranty is up I will do this !!
Is there a reason yall use Mobil 1 over penzoil ? Just curious
Can I get all of that on my challenger scat pack. I want it all ALL OF IT 💯💯💯💯💯💯
How much dose 1,2,3, cost out the door?? I use Ames oil way better.
Does the air get better when actually driving? My 1985 Corvette picked up almost nothing on a dyno (unless the hood was closed) but had a real ram air set up that picked up at speed.
50hp missing from factory?
Whats that dip in the original dyno pull it makes me not trust you not addressing it and then stating the power gains right there
is it necessary to change your fuel pump if u have a big camshaft and long tube headers with an exhaust system on a 5.7 hemi
I have three questions… 1. Where are you located? 2. How much do the three stages cost? 3. Are the stage kits available for a Durango SRT 392?
Only 10 Hp gains with long tubes...I don't think the price for long tube headers is worth 10hp. The stock shorty headers seem pretty good from factory.
It might not even have been the long tubes. That 10hp might have been the high flow cats
how long did this whole build take?
What would you make with your stage 3 on a 426 short block install?
Also, good informative video
🔥🔥🔥
I’m so jealous but I’ve only had my last call for 4 months…
Man! What a fantastic video! About how much does this full setup run?
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The price for all of that isnt worth only 58 hp gained... imo...but man it sounds great
Hemis and A killer soundtrack ill take it. 😂
Glad you're loving it!
I’m located in California and I want to get this done where are you guys located at
How long does an installation for the stage 3 package take?
What if I have a Shaker and would like to keep it without switching stock CAI. Any chance Stage 1 could involve everything but replacing stock CAI, then proceed to stage 2?
I noticed this Challenger has the hood with the heat extractor vents over the open box air filter. How do you keep water from getting on the filter when it rains or car wash?
How best t
What is the best way to find out a price of the stage three package
Do you need to have high flow cats with long tubes ?
Wow
This is pretty legit. What does all of that run price wise?
We appreciate the words, Randall! If you could, shoot us an email to sales@nationalspeedinc.com and we'll get you filled in. Thanks!
Do you have this for the 392 set jeeps ?
What was that stuff he put on gaskets
What is the price breakdown for each stage?
I know nothing about tuning but what i know is that the car came with 485hp and in the vid I saw was 488hp? Someone pls tell me what I missed oit
Great question. Power from the OEM manufacturer is measured on an engine dyno outside of the car, whereas most performance shops measure power on a chassis dyno. This tells us what the vehicle is making to the ground after turning everything. It is important as things like the transmission, rear end, tires, etc. make big differences in power numbers.
Can I skip stage 1 and go straight into stage 3
Every bump up in stage includes the previous stage. A stage 3 is just the stage 1 and 2 plus the cam package.
I guess everyone drives with their hood open to gain max airflow?
How much is the cost for stage 3 ?
What is that dip in the stock curve attributable to?
How much
What’s the cost for all 3 stages and the ported manifold with the 85mm throttle body?
Thanks for the question, William! If you could, shoot us an email to sales@nationalspeedinc.com and we'll get you filled in. Thanks!
How do you guys feel about magna flow exhaust
Where can I buy the stage 3 kit?
Shoot us an email to sales@nationalspeedinc.com and we'll get you filled in! Thanks, Angel.
Love it
Yeah but I'm 💯 sure you can do better than those numbers NA. Power Nation did a full rebuild.with parts just like you guys did sort of and engine dyno showed 574 NA HP so to figure that in RWHP take away.abou 35 to 40 hp.and those.are gonna relatively be your numbers. Yall need a dyno calibration test done
Thank you for your input, however drivetrain loss is typically more than that. We have two identical dynos at our locations and they always read spot on with each other when we transfer vehicles to and from.
This is exactly what I was looking for I am currently looking for this set up on my charger . About how much will this set up run me ?
Nice! If you could, shoot us an email to sales@nationalspeedinc.com and we'll get you filled in. Thanks!
Do you sell the stage one without the intake?
Thanks for the question! The JLT Performance air-intake system is the main component of the Stage-1 package, but we can certainly do a tune-only with the options.
Cool
Is an oil catch can really necessary? In your video you mention its optional. A lot of youtubers swear it's required.
Good question! We view a supporting modification as required if its absence results in loss of core functionality. For example, properly matched valve springs to the camshaft are a required supporting component, as the absence of these would result in serious issues. While an air-oil separator is a highly recommended option, it is not required for core functionality of these packages.
@@NationalSpeedInc okay. Do you think and oil catch can is required for a stock engine bay?
Nicely done!! Where are you located?
Thanks for the words! We have locations in Wilmington, NC and Richmond, VA.
What’s with the factory midrange dip?
At about 4500-4800 RPM's the intake manifold which has active runners, switches from long runners to short runners. The power dip can be tuned out.
Yep, as J Himmelberger mentioned, that's the intake manifold active runners in action.
😍🔥
Has Dodge contacted you for Direct Connection opinions for the 6.4/392? Your stage packs seem reasonable and "safe".
Not yet, but that is something we'd love to discuss with them!
Where is this shop I need to do all stage to my challenger scat pack 392 2020
We'd be happy to make it happen! Shoot us an email to sales@nationalspeedinc.com. We have locations in Richmond, VA and Wilmington, NC
What's causing that dip in power and torque about half way through the run?
The intake runners have a valve that switches from short to long at that rpm. It can be tuned out
Did you need to ReTune the Engine when the Larger Throttle Body was added ? (My Builder/Tuner is not local and out of state)
Normally with every change in air flow, a retune is necessary
Yep, as turbotommyguns mentioned, that would require a recalibration.
Love it! Whats the price?
Hey! The price varies a bit model year to model year. I encourage you to reach out to one of our Performance Consultants for a detailed quote! nationalspeedinc.com/contact/
What is the best way to find out a price of the stage three package
Hey Dan! It varies depending on your specific vehicle. You can view all of our performance packages on our site here: nationalspeedinc.com/dodge-challenger-mopar-performance-modifications/
You can also fill out our contact form, and a Performance Consultant will reach out to you so you can build a custom quote! nationalspeedinc.com/contact/
Price for the stage 3 package
2021 charger scat pack
Hey David! Feel free to fill out our form on our website, a Performance Consultant will reach out to you with details on options and pricing: www.nationalspeedinc.com/contact
I would like to make my scat faster . What exactly I need to do
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So do you offer this on a charger and what is the cost for stage 1, 2 and 3.
8 grand and what's left of your powertrain warranty
@@mattholland5497 i have a 2021 scat with 10,000 miles rn. But i got the 100,000 mile 6 year warranty
We certainly do! If you could, send us an email to sales@nationalspeedinc.com and we'll give you individual quotes for each. Thanks!
Can you tell me what stage 3 costs installed complete.. thx
We sure can! If you could, shoot us an email to sales@nationalspeedinc.com and we'll get you a quote. Thanks!
i saw a video that said you need forged heads when adding a better camshaft is this true in this scenario or can you just add another camshaft just like that ???
No aftermarket cylinder heads are required for a camshaft upgrade with these engines.
I've got a 2013 392 with a 6 speed manual, what can I expect with this package?
An automatic 8 speed to really show you what that car can do. Because the stick shift just can’t get it done.
Wrong. The automatic smokes the manual son. Every time.