Why I Am Concerned About Guild Wars 2 Janthir Wilds
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2024
- Guild Wars 2 has a long history of great content and fantastic gameplay but of late, Secrets Of The Obscure has kinda missed its mark. Myself included I haven't been that excited about the game and It calls into question, will Janthir Wilds Be A big enough change? or is it more of the same?
0:00 Stepping Into The Obscure
1:10 Not So Secret
3:39 Wild Ride
5:50 Will It Be Enough?
7:45 Why I Left
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*Not Taimi
Zojja! Thank You For That Catch!
@@CaffeinatedDad Don't fix it LOL at the start of SOTO, Zojja name is introduced as "Not Taimi", this is perfect!
My GW2 concern is the in-game LFG system, it needs to be updated. Currently, most active GW2 players reach a point where everything naturally migrates to discord servers/static groups, basically far away from public groups. Meanwhile, on the NA server, the in-game LFG system tends to be empty/inactive. Folks have moved away from using it as their primary method for assembling groups.
Let's say you just finished work and have limited time, maybe only a few hours to play. Think how much more likely you’d be to play GW2 if the LFG had a modern, clean, organized UI, if it was faster to use, if it had automation tools to add/locate other interested players, and if the commander had more tools/visibility for managing their group.
Helping players easily connect with one another to complete the MMO's game content is vital stuff - this shouldn't be overlooked, imo.
Thank you i feel the same 😢
Totally agree. The LFG system is effectively nonexistent in Guild Wars 2. It is a large problem.
Yeah, the lfg became more and more empty and finding groups gets harder and harder.
I have started playing GW2 again since 4 weeks and sometimes you find non at any time for strikes, fractals or other stuff.
Something that should be mentioned is that Anet came out with an article that talked about what they learned from the SotO expansion, what was the good/bad of it, and what they're doing to improve for the future expansions. Because Anet has been open about their process I'm holding off on my judgement about the game's direction until I experience the new expansion.
They always fall short
@@Dark_Wizard_of_Mu Tbf every game, especially MMOs fall short so I don't fault them for falling short at times.
I liked the article, I think it is great to see them reflect, they are definitely on to something :)
Dont know though if they managed to find the correct answer :) but time will tell, also they might get even closer on the expansion after Yanthir wilds :)
I see SOTO suffering from the same problems Living World Season 1 and Heart of Thorns suffered from: Basically it's a rough start for something new to ANet. Chances are they tried to change up some teams, programming schedules, dynamics, etc and what we got from this "measured release of expansion" is what we got.
The writing has been on the wall since Living World. This company has a problem making an expansion while also trying to fight off the lack of content that makes players just scream "Dead Game" the moment something doesn't release every month. Yes that was hyperbole, yes I'm saying it tongue in cheek, no I'm also not being hyperbolic, some folks do act that way. They tried something new with the Icebrood Saga when they thought GW2 was done for after LW Season 4, we all saw how that panned out. So I think what they're trying to do is have their expansion team do that instead of that B team they had.
I'm going to give Janthir Wilds a shot because typically their second swing at something gets better, plus I loved the idea of Janthir. I've always wanted it in an expansion, yes this is cope. I want my Janthir, hush. I am also curious about the Homestead, it's been over 1,000 years but we finally might get some home node worth working on. I fear it'll be like all the other Hub City spots or that dirty Elonian cave I forgot its name, but maybe it'll be more useful. Even if it's just "Guild Decorating for one person" that's something better than what we have now.
The spear mechanics look interesting, but I'm most curious about the map design since GW2's main strength (imo) is the open world. As someone who came from FFXIV to GW2, the story has never been a draw for me. I just really enjoy the MMO feel of doing a lot of things as a group, in an open world, with interesting traversal. It's strongest where FFXIV is weakest, which makes it a great game to balance out FFXIV burn out.
I play gw2 very on and off. It's a casual mmo where it's easy to leave but also easy to come back into, and I greatly appreciate that aspect of the game. I think that's what makes gw2 a surviving game. It won't ever really have the highest concurrent players like wow but it'll serve as a home that players can always come back to. I think gw2 will survive for a long time, it's casual friendliness being the main reason.
I enjoy gw2 story and lore and EoD wrapped up a DECADE long story. The dragons were gw2's identity for a long time and now they have to find a new one. I thought SOTO would introduce that new long term story identity, but it didn't. I was actually pleasantly surprised by that and enjoyed SOTO as a stand alone event. As a lore enjoyer, I liked that they finally explained what happened to zojja, explored aspects of other races like the mursaat, dwarves, seers, and the new kryptis. So maybe the story of SOTO wasn't as exciting but I found things to like about it. I suspect Janthir Wilds will go more into explaining background lore for the White Mantle and what not so I'm still looking forward it.
I personally took a break because of Anet balancing decision. The kind of balancing where they would say X class deals too much damage so we are changing the numbers but another class dealing the same damage or better is instead left untouched or buffed. The kind of balancing where they state they will buff unused skill /trait to encourage people to use them only for them to buff skill that are already being used. In the meantime there are new games that are being released, new content that are being added to old game so I am less and less encouraged to return to the game
I see many people say hoe frustrating the game is balance wise. Now I personally didn't really pay attention to the numbers in strikes or such but it does become noticeable in pvp
Pvp is a damn cesspool and they don't wanna touch it. I honestly would just give up on pvp and focus on PvE or WvW. Those are less toxic, and more fun@@CaffeinatedDad
I am just so glad we return to some beautiful, natural Tyria environments. The SOTO foggy pink/grey was visually very one dimensional. And housing, yes please! ;)
The fact that you called Zojja Taimi kinda speaks for it self with how forgettable her reintroduction into the story was. A bit strange that they spent so much time marketing her return only to shelve her as a part of the 2nd story update. I forgot she returned too until you mentioned Taimi.
And for me, someone who really didn't play GW1 much, I don't care about Zojja that much either. Taimi has been with me almost the entire story, Zojja appears and I am supposed to be like "woah she's back!" when in reality as a player I only really just heard stories of Zojja.
more like any care about reading or the game itself. some people seem to play just because they got nothing left to do, honestly.
@@eurasiacentertutorials9518 Shes not from GW1, shes from the 1-80 story in GW2 and the Asura origin story especially. Zojjas a part of Destinys Edge with Logan and Rytlock etc. She also makes cameos in living world season 2 and Heart of Thorns. She disappears after Heart of Thorns and SotA was her supposed big comeback. I dont blame you for not remembering her, shes pretty forgettable due to even being mentioned much past HoT.
@@eurasiacentertutorials9518 are you sure you don't mean snaff? that's asuran character that i feel is mentioned alot due to his connection to destiny's edge, glint and the elder dragons but given he is deceased before gw2 starts its all hearing about him third hand.
@@Shaijn815 It is all blending together at this point.
I agree, it's a saga that's labeled as an expansion. Also, where's the "wow! moment"? The ending is lackluster. I was expecting a large scale army vs army fight -- instead we showed up late to a buffet.
The writing is the worst thing about Guild Wars. It has it's moments, but overall, story is lackluster, characters are cheesy, and there needs to be a more mature tone and serious characters.
Absolutely yes. There is so much potential, but it really sometimes feels like they are screaming from my monitor "NOW YOU SHOULD FEEL EMOTIONALLY ATTACHED! CRY! BE ANGRY! BE HOPEFUL! BE EXCITED" without anythin/with very little to show for it.
For me, maps are way better storytellers than the actual story.
Except for soto maps, i honestly dont like them.
Then you'd hate FF14's story. Full of childlike anime tropes and exaggerated overly-emotional acting.
Probably cause they try to be too woke and miss the main points
@@joshuahng1 lol. As a queer person i can tell you that gw2 is not woke. Its actually significantly conservative
I'd argue it has really good voice acting/talent. But the story has always been meh.. But you play gw2 for the gameplay, the fun loops and the group content.. They could cut of the story completely and give us great maps and I wouldn't notice.
I'm excited for Janthir Wilds.
Though, i don't think it will be in the same realm as HoT or PoF. They would need to bring in new Elite specs for that to happen.
Personally, I would like to see Anet revisit something to do with the Gods or like the return of Menzies.
Honestly I would love to see them do the whole human gods Arch. That could be spectacular!
I was 100% all in with the actual content of the expansion *before* the patches. I think the problem is that the post SOTO patches showed some poor signs, specifically the content design. When you have bad meta events, mid maps and boring repeatable content; ALL things that GW2 has always been known for being good at, you know you have a problem.
The story for me was actually good until the patches too. SOTO was quite good story wise, but the follow up and travel to Nayos was like "Huh?"
There is good in this expansion but there is far more learning opportunity here than good things.
I've only been playing GW2 somewhat consistently for about two years now, but across all the stories SoTO's campaign was the first in which I got legitimately bored progressing because of the quest design.
So much so that it was the first time I stopped doing the story when it was new (the second update) and just went back to working on other in-game goals.
I'm honestly not expecting much from Jathnir Wilds story, but given that some of the major concerns about SoTO's pacing were addressed in a blog post awhile back; perhaps JW will have potential to be fine (hard to say if any future expansion's story will truly be "good" again with a single year time constraint).
I think the problem with soto was how all the content was built around farming for the legendary armor. Thats the main issue. Even though its an open world armor set, it never really was the main focus of all the other expansions. It was an option for people who wanted to pursue it. But other than the easier skyscale mount and just trying to farm up metas for gold ( which other previous living world seasons and expansions are better at the moment ) , they didnt really add anything for those currencies to be used for or have any other cool unlockables for more diversity in the content.
Ye i am excited for the expansion ! Get ready for The Sims Wars 2 guys !
I waited 8 years for housing in Guild Wars 2. Of course I am excited!
why Soto didnt catch me:
expansions hyped me because of the elite specs, that i can progress with throughout the new maps. also it gives me another sense of my character progress and gets me excited for the game...
new weapons do not achieve this.
I feel progress in the story, but I dont feel like my character developed or got an upgrade in anyway besides adding pathfinder to the title.
even if the Janthir wilds feels better in the atmosphere I wonder if it will only attach another "spearwilding" boyscout to my character.
Still I am looking forward to the new content, just sharing some concern :)
wayfinder* but agree 😂
I agree with you partly on ff14 having a better story. Like just looking at the writing itself, then ff14 clearly blows gw2 out of the water. But gw2 always did a pretty good job at presenting you the story. Making you Play and experience the story rather than just read it. And the maps with their long meta chains and all the side content like strikes and fractals expand on that world, rather than just being a set for the story. FF14 has so many moments in the main story where you just boringly read whats happening, rather than actually experiencing it first hand. Alot of filler dialogue to flesh out the story and when you do get your hands on the game, its very repetitive dungeons that follow the same wall to wall formula since ages. And since the dungeons always must come at every odd level, they sometimes feel a little forced and out of place too.
I'm cautiously optimistic too! Still love playing this game. 💜
Agreed! Lots to still love in GW2 and hoping for the best!
I wasn't a fan of the SoTO story, but I liked the features, game play, and new maps.
Edit: mind you, i like the concept of there being other dimensions out there and needing to defend Tyria against them. However, I didn't like the execution of the story.
IT was a risk to be sure, I'm actually glad they took tbh. Something new and daring. Didn't land it but still glad they lept!
The main issue with GW2 is expecting a AAA game without recognizing that ANET is merely an A level studio
Not untrue
Obviously you can run your channel however you wish, and share whatever opinions you want. Personally though, I'm just subbed for the GW2 content. I don't watch your FF stuff. I don't mean this with any anger or disrespect, but if all your future GW2 vids are just "why I like FF better" then I'll probably lose interest in watching them, too. I hope you like the new GW2 expansion. I have high hopes for it myself. Only time will tell how well it's received. Anyway, have a good day.
Well said. I hate the whole Obscure stuff, the mobs, the maps. I cringe when I have to gonto the Horn and kill flying zergs. I hope they go back to the old world and lore…
I can appreciate the attempt for something new but it didn't land its mark. To me without Dragons it feels lack luster
I wonder about Janthir wilds plot. Will it be that Mursaat somehow came back, or maybe it will explain where they came from and then we will travel to that world or something. Or maybe it will be entire diffrent thing without Eye of Janthir.
I love the game but i absolutely hate how they but almost zero effort on PvP/WvW side of the game and those are my main things to do. One of the worst things in Soto also to me was the weapon mastery and how bloody long it took to actually be available. Other than that Soto just felt like i was playing GW2 version of WoW's shadowlands i just wasn't hooked on story at all.
As someone who has played WoW for almost 20 years and GW2 since beta Gw2 just kind of lacks stuff to aim for i don't want a gear hamster wheel but something that i could aim for would be nice and i do not mean legendary gear that is just locked behind boring collect million pieces of crap stuff.
Anet has no idea what to do. If were them, they should have released an expansion dedicated to pvp and wvw players. But its too late now.
Tbh Most of sotos best came from the first major update including the story. 2nd and 3rd update just felt rushed the story was good when it was about the astral ward and the villain being Cerus but when Eparch came it became good demons vs bad demons and it just got boring. And just llike you I thought it felt more like a paid living world season than a full expansion. Their old model is much better using living world as filler DLC to set up expansions. In terms of lore Janthir wilds looks promising we get to see the white mantle back and its focused in centrel Tyria. Also map wise im getting real tired of drizzlewood meta focused maps. I want hearts and random events that arent tied to a meta. It gives the player more meaning to explore the world. If anyone is on the fence for the upcoming expansion wait until the 2nd major update before buying it.
I'd argue most people don't play GW2 for the story.. A good expansion needs good gameplay loop, with a good big bad.. And then ofcourse we need the quality group content. When I played WoW/WAR, there were always lore chats in guilds.. But gw2? No one talks about it unless they're laughing about a funny voice acting line.
I mean that's absolutely fair! I feel like the gameplay loop needs to be solid and not feel repetitive really. Lest players feel like it's work
@@CaffeinatedDad oh for sure, it's gotta be fun/difficult enough and not too long. I feel the Soto meta in Inner if you do both bosses is far to long on a fresh map
So, i see the story hook starting off with the fact that the player character was made a member of the shining blade in an earlier living world season.
The shining blade activates "the commander" for a mission that leads to Janthir.
SOTO had a few leads to previous characters, but it was purely a side story. The role of the commander had a feel like Indiana jones and the last crusade- the storyline would have progressed the same way if the commander, now the "wayfinder" wasn't a part of it.
Don't get me wrong, it got us past the B- team feel of the living world team- but SOTO never made me feel connected to the characters introduced within it.
I agree that Soto was meh. It felt very rushed. I hope JW will get a better story line
I hope the spears do more to carry the game. The weapon master and new weapons later only felt meh?
I would pay the full price of the expansion just for the housing alone even if it had absolutely nothing else included, it's the feature I wanted the most for gw2 so I'm really happy, I didn't buy Soto because it haven't nothing of my interest.
Honestly thats fair. Player housing is such a sought after feature in MMOs. I just hope they don't do everyone to a single location and load the instance
I feel the same as you do, took a quite long break from the game out of boredom and kind of frustration from secrets of the obscure. Let's hope the new expansion brings some spice to the game. The homesteading side kind of excite me
I can only play a game with 0 vertical progression for so long.
Am I the only one that enjoyed the story in GW1 better than GW2?
The first game is better in general. Story especially.
Nope. Played the entirety of GW1 last year before me and the wife moved on to GW2... and while we loved moments of GW2's story, it had major problems with tone, pace, and player agency.
GW1 didn't have the deepest writing. But what it got right was that the writing, for the most part, reinforced the heroic journey the players go on - it existed entirely to motivate you to press on across the world. Even when the writing wasn't particularly great, the journey felt epic.
GW2 was very, very self-indulgent and almost constantly told the player "Wait here. Go there. Stand at this position. Listen to this NPC. Say these words. Have these feelings."
That last one isn't even a joke - when you get to that bit in End of Dragons, and the game is like... here, go and place some flowers on a memorial to a character that we're telling you that you have feelings about. No, there is no option to say you have no feelings about them; you have feelings, because the script says so. Oh, don't remember who that character is? Don't care, we literally put the words in your mouth.
And it only got worse over time. When we reached Secrets of The Obscure, and we had to listen to Zojja say the word "me" like 20 times after a major character had been killed off, and our objective was literally to go and listen to her whining, we actually gave up on the game.
The story is getting worse by the expansion
I wasn't a fan of gw1, i got to lvl 12 and didn't like the game anymore.
GW1 was much better! I'm not too excited about Janthir sadly and I want to be... but apart from the new maps and events and new enemies. I feel like there isn't much there for continued progression as the general idea of an MMO.
Yes you should be concerned. The quality and quantity of content has been on a downhill slope since IBS. And now they charge 25$ for a feature lesser than a Living World which is free before. This is absurd.
I'm withholding my judgement until something with weight is shown. But honestly it's looking a bit more and more incomplete as time moves on
I just got done with Path of Fire for the first time to get access to those mounts. While not on par with Final Fantasy 14's storytelling, it was better than your typical MMO. I mean that's not saying much, though. I was more taken in with the scenery and some locations and the exploration was a lot of fun. Not the Desolation, however. That place can pick a direction and leave.
The scenary and exploration are top tier for GW2 but honestly the story just feels like your conveyor belt into the next areas
I don’t see how it can really fail as an overall product with the features it has. Concerns about the story though… I guess we just have to wait and see. But housing spears and a raid is like a guaranteed hit as a game bundle
I don't really have any interest in homesteads, but the spear looks interesting. like you, I am cautiously optimistic.
Yeah I'm probably not gonna do much with the homesteads but spears piqued my interest!
just an observation, as someone who visits your channel often but doesnt fully track every video ive seen when you make thumbnails with red outlines it makes me think i watched the video already. it happens on every channel who uses red bars on the bottom of their thumbnails.
I felt this way about SotO before starting on FF14, and I too am concerned.
It just feels like it could have been more ya know?
So I’m still rather early into my SotO experience in regards to the story but I will say one thing that concerned me right out of the gate and something that did cause me to put a pause on GW2 for a bit is the lack of returning characters and I know off rip people’s reaction to that is gonna be there’s no more dragons so why bring Dragon’s Watch back and in a way you’d be right and I do appreciate the attempt to put more focus on your character but the thing is these are characters that have become integral to the DNA of the game because of the Saga with the Dragons and the bonds you formed with them over the course of that story so not having any of them pop up kinda makes the story of SotO feel a little empty
I can agree and as I've said a bunch this was their attempt to do something different but it missed the landing and overall felt empty. There is still plenty of ways they can improve of they learn from their mistakes
Sales will drop considerably for this.
Thinking for JW? Or my small video? Ha!
I feel like Secrets of the Obscure was released to kind of move away from the old content and almost refresh itself for a new player base. Access to Skyscale unlock in that expansion is a big thing. Lvl 80 boosters too getting new players right in SotO. I just started playing less than a year ago so this is my completely biased experience. I was a Guild Wars 1 player though :)
I'm mainly keen on Janthir Wilds due to the fact that my eyes need a color-palette change from looking consistently at the light-grayish maps from the final Soto maps.
It's no surprise Soto was a letdown, and you are not alone in regards to your dislike of Soto, as many have the similar opinion.
I hope A-net looks at Soto and takes all the criticism and learns and adapts from it going forward.
In regards to FF14, personally I feel like FF14 has a great story, but what it lacks is the 'Massive Multiplayer' aspect to MMORPGs.
It's more of a glorified JRPG with a focus on instanced content. GW2 spreads its focus to every aspect evenly.
My main MMORPG has always been WoW, yet I always come back to GW2 due to the "MMO" aspect of the huge map wide events.
It's awesome to see WoW take a page out of GW2 and have similar large-scale events in WoW too.
I have my eye out for Throne and Liberty coming in September, as there's a focus on large-scale events in that game as well.
Anyways, good luck to you, enjoy yourself.
Hot take maybe, but I think the previous way Anet handled expansions worked better for me personally.
One hefty chunck you could take your time with.
The content draught was there, but you could focus on other things. Which prevented you from burning out.
Tldr:
PoF: a glass of whiskey once a week.
SotO: half a glass of beer every day .
It’s hard for most MMOs to compete with FF14 in terms of the way it presents it story. The way the games gives you cutscenes, epic solo que moments, how it ties the dungeon in, and then how wraps it up with an epic trial is unmatched.
It’s so good that main quest in other games leave a lot to be desired. Outside of FF14. The only other two that comes close is ESO and WoW
Also the last GW2 expansion lacks excitement as well as this one imo. No new classes, playable races, elite specializations. I think that’s what people really want. It makes what’s called and expansion feel more like DLC. Especially when competitors are giving you so much more with their expansion.
I agree, the story for ffxiv is less of what I'd call a comparable match as if you were matching an apple with an orange. No hate to Guild Wars 2 but story has never been their "big selling feature".
I hope for better things in JW
A couple of thoughts I think are important to consider:
1.) It's probably unfair to compare SotO to the other expansions... it was developed faster, was sold for about 50% less, and was identified by ANet as a mini-expansion. Whatever criticisms or accolades you give it, it is truly more like the beginning of Icebrood Saga or like Living World Season 2 than Path of Fire or Heart of Thorns.
2.) ANet did put out a blog post detailing what they claim to have learned from SotO and much of it highlighted the negative aspects of the story... They stated they were too ambitious and didn't give their narrative the space to breathe, needing to get to the major plot points too quickly (this is my summary, not their exact words). Hopefully they take those lessons to heart.
I am cautiously optimistic as well; I think JW will give us much insight into how this new designer team (who have really only been in place since End of Dragons) will iterate and improve the game.
Yeah welcome back man thanks for saying what everyone else already knew and such good timing... you know they started doing smaller expacs with annual release right? If you aint gonna play the game at least dont shit on it as we move toward new things including gw3. The ones who still play it are excited. Miss your old content i enjoyed it greatly.
I'll wait to play it.
I think the only thing that has gotten old for me is the stacking style end game answer for all instances. Cant really be fixed given the lack of the holy trinity role system. But i miss dungeons and raids
I think it'll probably be about the same as what came before... which is fine, for a game you play once or twice a week.
Arguably 25$ USD isn't bad for an expansion that comes out about once a year. I suppose it's really not life or death given that the game is good to put down every now and theb
you know? bro i feel like path of fire is my favorite expansion. That expansion is amazing in every way and made me feel so hype after all that built up and amazing ending but after that... it all just didnt hit the same. End of dragons did have cool moments and all but it felt rushed out? or something idk but i was not as hyped as i was in path of fire. Then SotO came out and seemed like it had potential but it turn out SO bad that i literally purchased Elder's Scrolls online because i was in need of fresh air. It was so bad I felt bad spending time in the game and i just wanted it to end quick. Man... the crazy part is that yeah, pay 30 bucks and we give you a house... but its going to be empty... so you need to pay real money if you want anything in it or to even change it. That is what breaks my heart... i know them and i know that this is why they added houses, just for a cheap cash grab. I need a new game...
How are homesteads different from home instace....
Honestly.... just the ability to decorate?
Cue today's post... "Just the ability to decorate..." lol
@@khymaaren you can decorate home instance no?
im missing that growth you can archive as a player. to master or at least get better at things instead of straight up getting better gear/weapons
Honestly I was kinda hoping that we do solo challenge items, instead of just achievements, implement a trial instance where you have to take on tiers of enemies as you progress higher. The personal challenge I think is missing
You know what, I am just gonna say it. I didn't like Secrets of the Obscure. I didn't mind the wizards vault because it was a nice catch up for newer players especially with the legendary weapons kits. But overall, the story, regions, etc, not a big fan. Also most of the meta events for me anyway were not that fun compared to the prior ones in other expansions. I just sort of fell out of it, went from logging in and playing to logging in for the vault, to logging in for a few daily astral acclaim to just, not logging in.
Will I return? Probably, not sure when. But I probably will. For Janthir wilds? Maybe! Spears to me are not hyping me that much, maybe for the warrior it makes sense, but as a Reaper? Not as stoked. I think the major pull for me right now to play again is continue working on my legendries, specifically Exordium which consumes much of my time.
I'm not completely into the idea that each class needs the same weapon.. what happened to classes having their own unique characteristics?
I agree with everything you said. I missed you, Highly Caffeinated Dad 😊
Same to you! Hope your well Miguel!
It was to be expected that Anet would miss some marks with the first "new expansion cycle", but they underdelivered on too many fronts, so, for now, I just hope that Janthir Wilds will do the game justice, nothin more or mindblowing. A well grounded, well developed story with less but deeper NPCs interactions. Well constructed maps with events that are not filler or meta, but are grounded to the maps. That's the bare minimum for me
Very hyped for Janthir Wilds, it reminds me the vibes from central Tyria => Exploration, basic fantasy stuff ...
We will see but it talks a bit much to me than SOTO
Comment spam apologies, but you know I've wanted spears for a long time so this is great they are adding it. I did want the chance to use them with a shield thou this is my 1 disappointment about it. I will give the xpack a try and I still do my weekly WvW raids with friends and will continue to do so until something comes along to replace it.
True I think that may be the crux of it. play the game for a while then put it down for something else
I would be happy, when they even don't make it worse.
Yeah Soto was not great
The story - not the content (weapon master training was a bit plus & the new weapons)
But i am giving them the benefit of doubt for the next one
Anet tends to get things more right the second time if they start new stuff
game is not going up and not going down , gw2 is the best for casual players that don't like to grind too much and just do random stuff , the game will never reach the level of popular mmos , no matter how the expac is the game will be the same , just look at soto , the expac was very bad compared to what we had and yet we never heared about " people leaving ".
I mean your not wrong, people check in with the game then step out to try others. It's seasonal which in all regards isn't a bad thing!
The expansion could honestly be bad, good or something in-between. The things they promise are cool, but it all comes down to execution. I just hope they learned from SOTO and their new content cadence and found their pace in developing content in a not as rushed delivery. SOTO definetly felt rushed.
i feel like this is the expansion for people whos into raids or a stepping stone for the average casual open world player to raids, it wont be as good as hot,pof and eod but i think it will be good enough as a new content for veteran, casual and new players
Agreed. And I don't know if it's fair to compare them to the larger expansions when these from the start were called mini expansions
The problem with that for new players, at least on NA, LFG is dead. So veteran players who are forming groups on discord servers will be fine, but new players and casuals are going to have a hard time finding a group.
@@330DKNY cant say the same bc im in eu and most of the time lfg there have a scroll bar
lol saddest prt for me i cant even comment on inner nayos lol
the map move so bad for me in my pc :(... its pretty and lovey but everything so freezy lol
I thought I was the only one 😂
@@Mystic___ saddd ainnit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣its quite pretty much and spooky
Uff real shame and wordt is that my option setting is plaayable
And it the only map that stuck like this lol ....
@@evelynn2790 I can barely turn my camera, I've done the meta once and never returning after 😂
I've seen this before and was curious how it happened? Is it the particle affects?
Pretty new player started Jan 1 this year and from my perspective after watching the many GW2 influencers and playing from start to current I still have tons of content to experience. Seems to me SoTO was a half ass story that was only meant to have 3-6 months' worth of content for the old dogs and just enough for news guys like me to get lil hooked. Started working towards the obsidian armor and I got to say this game is really fun when you're just running around aimlessly but as soon as I try focusing on the legendary grind I just want to quit and do something else. Raids were ok, strikes were really fun and fractals for me were meh, PvP and WvW are tons of fun even without a Warclaw. But in September it won't matter because Space Marine 2 is coming out I won't be doing anything else for another 6 months to a year.
Well I know that the story is not that good, for example some cool characters imho are basically just introduced and then suddenly dropped, but I also think that people fail to consider is the whole packet.
Soto introduced pve legendary armor, rifts, convergences with different bosses, 2 strikes (with 3cm, and finally a title that ppl are really interested to get), 1 fractal (with cm), 1 new weapon for each class (finally warriors can heal), relics (anet didnt even dump on ppl that did have the legendary runes already and directly gifted the legendary to them) with fun (the forbidden word) side quests to unlock the new one, new skills and abilities for the skyscale and maps that can take full advantages from the flying mounts, new adventures/minigames, 3 maps and 1 hub to explore with more achievments, 4 new metas, new convience vendors to sell useless currency like the prismactite crystals and such, the wizard vault with legend kits, guild hall pvp setting and new decorations and finally wvw alliance. On top of this, small items like new minis,emotes and fishes spot, new very good UI convenience stuff and all the balance patches and bug fixes (I know many ppl don think that devs fix anything, but they do (in about 3months xD) if you actually report the bugs).
So yeah "story not good" but overall a solid expansion with an eye on don't forgetting the old maps too. So am I concerned about Janthir Wilds? Not really, at least we will have just more of the same mmo we like, probably with a small spin to test our reactions.
SOTO is bad. Recycled assets everywhere and super boring rifts, convergences, strikes, whatever its such a lazy expansion.
i am gonna log in, if the fps are bad i am gonna leave, no hate but just sick of having a very good pc but the game isnt able to perform 🙀
Try lossless scaling
idk, being burned out with gw2 and moving on just to come back and be sad about gw2 is kinda weird to me
I love the game but I needed to look at from less of work focus to be more of an enjoyment piece. The change needed to happen with me.
I find it concerning that they're releasing only a week prior to the War Within WoW expansion (and that's not even counting early access.) I can't think of a worse timing to launch an MMO. Of course players who are already invested will get the GW2 expansion regardless, but the average MMO bloke isn't going to think about GW2 a week prior to The War Within.
half way threw the video
u kinda right and still wrong
i mean it really nice and aweful at same time
the price tag is reall low
and its quite worth it i guess
beside the boring metas that pretty much nothing move
and the boring as new wepaons
i dont 0 of them clicked to me
its quite fine
maybe they need refiments and yeah the story is aweful just go do green circles xDbut i duno i have 0 complains is better still then waiting few years for expantions :S i hope they will do better from 1 to another but in my opinins is real nice
and yeah on the specilaztions
:(( i wish they add more stuff around it
maybe even just creat new pages around each class for more cool and uniq builds and yeah i hope the add more new classes f level 80 but we will see i guess in the futur heh :D
This video was honestly meant to start a conversation. It's worth talking about because the game has been on a weird path for a long time and now objectively it's poised to do something similar to Soto again
GW 1 Veteran here..
I understand the concerns but look..
HoT, PoF and EoD had the nostalgic card.. I had sooo much fun to explore the new old regions from GW1.
Soto not so much.. I played it but I’m not a fan of the whole alien/demonic looking creatures but yeah it was what it was. They did something new without nostalgia kicking in and it was meh.
I’m also a WoW veteran and boy o boy we all know the feeling that kicks in when blizzard want to fuk you over again with a new expansion.
I just don’t see it here.. I’m stocked and if it’s trash so it will be. At least no Boby Cotic is making money with it 🙈
I insta bought the expansion. I don't even care if it sucks. I've been playing gw franchise for a long time
Janthir Wilds has me... intrigued, at best. I dont have high hopes; they haven't *really* told a good story since base GW2, with the possible exceptions of generous chunks of Path of Fire and small bits of Living World Season 1. And even then, no part of Guild Wars 2 (perhaps GW1 too) can touch FF14 Heavensward on a story level.
What Janthir Wilds feels like is ArenaNet finally taking time to address some long-requested things, namely spears, housing, and White Mantle, but doing so in a way that requires the absolute minimum effort from their team. It is one weapon type, for all classes, using skins that already exist. They're not interested in putting out "amazing", their goal is "good enough". Which is unfortunate.
I really liked beginning of SOTO and IBS. But both of them went down the hill with further updates, especially SOTO. I shit you not, if I could I would love to skip all the dialogues. Zero attachment to introduced characters and even Peitha became boring at some point. Currently I am not a fan of those fast expansions releases. SOTO was rushed and not polished in many places and I really don't like it for that. Was hyped with SOTO and bought it the very first day it was announced. JW? Still did not bought it as I'm not hyped with any of its features yet.
Im all for it, least Anet has the balls to try new things, and learn from past mistakes. Honestly there rlly is no pleasing the MMO community. Spears alone is a huge update for pvp/wvw players, new pvp gamemode. These are all huge steps that they have never done before and highly over looked. Ill take a company the tries new thing wether they fail or work than a company that just spits out pretty much the same crap every year like WoW.
Agreed! I even commend them for trying something new with Soto. You need to venture and break the cycle (pun absolutely intended) to have the game grow
Imo the old expansion release like hot/pof/eod was better imo cuz devs had more time and less in an rush to make the new expansion and making too much rushed things towards the expansion like ngl im just scared this will eventually kill this awesome game.
I'm looking forward to it but I'm slowly going through the story chronologically so it will probably be out for like months before I even get there. I think my excitement stems from "wow, I can't believe I never played this game before I'm so excited right now" and "Wow it's also cool they're still supporting it". I think if I had the time sync like you and other vets I'd maybe feel less excited.
I'm excited about the homestead and I hope it's more of Drizzlewood Coast and less SotO. I think SotO is not particularly bad but not good either. Has been a common theme for me ever since PoF where I just don't like the characters. The story telling has been on a steady decline as well. It's always the same pseudo-"heroic" bs. I'd like to be just an adventurer again, not a different flavor of "the chosen one". Anet is trying so hard to make everything so high stakes but can't create any tension. The constant breaks of "complete nearby events to help a story NPC" doesn't keep up the momentum of the story either.
I didn't mind the Kryptis as a whole (kinda like the Destroyer in EotN) but the whole story arc around Dagda, Peitha and Eparch, forming an alliance with them, etc was just lame imo. Why can't we just get a cool enemy, strikes, raids, .. whatever (repeatable content) and instead are constantly bombarded with politics..
SotO was meh indeed. I mean I still enjoyed it but it didn't meet my expectations.
They sold qol with expansion and that felt sort of a cheap. If they would gave every improvement to everyone ( I mean weapons) it would feel like some less expansion, but this was like cash grab.
Just dropping a comment to say I love SoTO and its probably my favorite expansion yet. Theres no good reason for it except that i suppose it feels more tied in the the lore of the world of tyria than theyve been before. Just leaving a voice here with a very different opinion vs the reddit posts etc.
Yes FFXIV has way better/different story... i just like gw2 because its "my" game at this point
Lets not sugarcoat it, people play the game mostly for the gameplay. The new expansions are just boring. After PoF its just lackluster story and content and characters are becoming similar to modern tv show characters, if you get me.
I do, the gameplay is fun and the collection bitt can be engaging but it can only so so much
I got back into the game with SotO.
... And the narrative catapulted me right back out again.
Even some of the diehard fans I know are wary of the new expansion, so I agree that they can't really afford to have another "meh" expansion, *especially* being released in the same season as Gold Road, Dawntrail, and The War Within. They'll get buried, and people might be tempted to try other things with the deluge of other high quality expansions coming out (if they're good, or course)
I'll be waiting to see what friends report about the story, as that's critically important to me. If it's actually great? I'll come back and give it a try again. Otherwise... I might not pick it back up for the foreseeable future.
The trailer, sadly, didn't give me a lot of faith in the xpac either :(
NGL GW2 achieved something i didnt think was possible, make a content more forgettable than IBS. granted, IBS was free if u logged while it was being released since it followed the old LWS system so pretty much the player base didnt make their complaint very vocal other than some memes i guess. But SoTO was a paid content that really under deliver in every aspect, it started really good but the cadence of content delivery, the writing and map optimization really wrecked the reputation of ANET, FFS i dont even want to go to amnytas ever again (lets not talk about the wizard tower hub).
I'm also tired of the 'here's the new map meta same as the old map meta" with the same gold-per-hour overall w/ minor changes.
Basic rinse and repeat monotony tbh
I didn't expect too much out of soto because it was their first try at that. Janthirs will show us if they can deliver or not. overall, soto had a few great things: Weapon master training was great and it opened up a lot of builds an a lot of the new weapons were great, too. I think the strikes are fantsstic and i personally like convergences and also the new Armor since i don't have legenderies yet. What Anet is currently promising looks like they understood their assigment. If the quality is there, I will be very glad to go forward with this model
Agreed and I think that's why i give them humility, like you tried something new and it didn't stick so let's see what else we can do to really resonate with the player base
I think the new expansion will fix what SOTO ruined
I feel that if housing is just private guildhall it will be dead on arrival.
There needs to be something much more than just a house ya know?
yep, if you compare with the amazing story of FF14, gw2 has a boring story
i won't be playing the new expansion. They burned me with SotO. That was their last chance and i'm just tired that housing is already tied to a mastery and probably gated behind other masteries you have to complete first. Plus i can already see, that all the good furniture will be in the cash shop. And sorry, i just don't like the "what content gives the most gold oer hour to convert into gems" playstyle anymore. I want to play the game and unlock stuff ingame. FF XIV has also spoiled me when it comes to side content without jumping through hoops (granted i'm perfectly happy with a small house, that even on my Server (one of the all-time full ones) was quite easy to get). GW2 was a perfect side MMO for a while, but i rather play something else now.
Id try ff if i knew it wasnt so stupid
What bothers me is housing. I fear many will not care about it. Like me. Another key part is the story. In this regard SOTO started strong but really lost momentum as things went by. Still excited though.
I cant really talk about story because I left after Icebrood Saga, but if my time in FF14 has taught me anything is that player housing is a big topic and people love it. If GW2 pulls if off correctly to the point that players can truly let their imagination run wild, this could be great feature. Of course, its not for everyone...
I'm going to buy the new expansion just for the housing and I know more players who think the same
Same @@sorigamarell1241
I play this game casually the real problem in this game is a large majority of the community are sensitive as fuck and complain about every little thing in the game. Like so many complaints about a game they put crazy hours in. My only complaint with arenanet is if y’all gonna add content fix the bugs they’re causing bugs rushing this expansion gonna fuck the game up. Gw2 players are hard to make happy
tbh, this might be a hot take but I've never really been impressed with the GW2 story. I found the core game so horrible that I ended up playing the story missions with the sound turned off. HoT was a lot better but for me it's always been sort of there and throughout the expansions and lw stories, I just really never connected to the characters in the story. So in essence I don't really care what happens to them. Long story short: I don't play GW2 for the story, so I'm just excited about the gameplay features of JaWi like spears and housing.
New classes is always the banner for a new expansion. Weapon proliferation is only relatable to existing players.even worse than soto is that this expansion has only 1 weapon. Topped up with the announcement of gw3 and the really bad patches between expansions, it looks worse every next update.
SOTO has been quite underwhelming.
SotO writting makes IBS look good.
They had me interested in the begining with this eldritch horror, but after Nayos it all crumbled into a very generic, very human drama motivated story, very much mundane in all aspects but the form of the characters and in all aspects it was just weak.
Who ever was at the helm of story and narrative during HoT all the way to LS4 is clearly long gone as the writting in this expansion is amateurish at best.
Sadly i think JW will not change much, nor is the following expansion after. Hopefully they are already actually reorganizing for the 4th expansion of this new "cadence" cuz if this is what they had planned, it aint it good enough chief.
It just feels like it needs more? Ya know like there's something missing eith Soto and I'm concerned for JW. Not sure what it is though
@@CaffeinatedDad I know what it is. The team working on HoT through LS4 is either no longer working at Anet or are in no position to make significant decisions.
I've never been impressed with GW2 story.
It's only ever been alright in my mind, not terrible but not super memorable
As far as what i think? Im not preordering this expansion. SoTo left a bad taste for me. The ending to EOD was terrible. It was like Game of thrones all over. That last season sucked. They try to make it too grindy for Everything. The story was really bad in soto. It was very rushed nothing was fleshed out and after a month of play i haven't even logged in to finish the expansion since the last of it unlocked. I hope that they do better.
Agreed, basically to a T. I know they tried moving on from Dragons but it's kinda like monster hunter not having monsters? If that makes sense