I think that was meant to imply that the family had been off earth for a long time. Colonies started just after warp travel would count as centuries for TNG but barely.
+Drew Stevenson Nope. He was known to have existed since at least 1647, when he took up residence with Jessel Howard shortly after appearing in the city of Glasgow on Earth. en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ronin I do believe the Earth year 1647 was pre-warp. Bow down to my Trek Nerdness!!!
I consider the first "contact" between humans and aliens is when Q dips his hand in the primordial "goo" that would one day become humans in the TNG finale. :P :P :P
Andrew Arias Except in that timeline, the goo DIDN'T become life - the point of his visit was to show Picard that he had to act in the future for life to get started.
The people who sent the probe in 'Star Trek IV' to talk to the Humpbacks, given that Humpbacks went extinct before First Contact (going by Spock's dialogue) and that the aliens who built the probe must have had some contact with the Whales before, that probably happened in pre history, those guys deserve some sort of mention. Even if their contact wasn't with humans.
I would love if the idea of groups of time traveling people randomly meeting each other and screwing each others plot over would be explored in a movie ^^
I was picturing Kira and OBrien talking with Spock and kirk lol... and it takes a while, several hours of poker and drinking scotch or something... but eventually kirk: we can't tell them to much Spock: ... I better mind-meld with them and erase their memories. Kira: (jokingly mutters like a curse) Vulcans. Obrien: better raise our shields major... Spock and Kirk both are taken aback for a second before looking at each other spock: I dont know why you are talking about mountains but... kirk: shields? i didnt mention vulcans or shields.... and kira and obrien could just roll eyes at each other O'Brien: I am just impressed we haven't erased our own existence yet Spock: surmises from that whats happening Spock just facepalms for the first time just when Jean Luc Picard and Q walk-in Q: see I told you, you cant leave humans alone or next thing you know they start screwing up the timeline just to play cards and drink a few scotches... Picard: ... I don't suppose you could shuffle a few more people who are out of places to stay at this time... Spock: the buy-in is 150 ... and Picard just tosses a phaser on the table. kirk: well... I suppose that's good for the whole game. Kirk then examines it with delicacy and deep curiosity, comparing it to his own seeing the differences and figuring out how powerful and how long its charge lasts. Kira: I don't suppose you brought a time machine with you? Q: I am ... not sure that would help Picard: I am with a dynamic entry specialist i suppose you could say. oh... I sort of went off script... oh well...
There was a story wasn't there about why Shakespeare disappears from History the Trek-splanation being The Klingon's kidnapped him as they saw his plays as a great complement to their taste for Opera & Violence in his works. Who knows maybe they actually do really know Shakespeare isn't Klingon but just wrote some of his Plays in Klingon First then translated them back to English when the Klingons eventually sent him home for whatever reason. There is also repeated suggestions in other Media that the Klingons visited the old west era - (in time not with time travel) that eventually influencing Worf's interest in the period too when he's showing it to Alexander. Alexander was also a Timetraveller and wasn't he also 1/8th Human too ? Never went to Earth though as far as I know as a Time travelller.
Brilliant channel! I am a trekky and have seen the entire franchise twice. I love to see other people who do more then dabble lightly in the Trek universe
Time travel, schmime travel. To get a passing grade in TimeTravel 101, you have to score a perfect 100% on the final exam. Everybody eventually does it on the first try.
I think that the Q philosopher, known as Quinn, deserves a separate honorable mention as his interaction and intervention in Earths history had significant impact on the development of technology and the course of human events
Q's visit has to count. The episode where a Q wishes to commit suicide. one of the arguments was that if Q didnt exist, he would of not saved Rikers ancestor. Hence, had an affect on human history.
Spock is a champion of time travelling alright. For this topic, the Star Trek 2009 movie doesn't count of course but it involved him time travelling again ;).
+TheRealTMar Well, when you think of time travelling, it would count, as the prime universe Spock has time traveled ;) But his Abramsverse counterpart will perhabs never reach the amount of time travels :D
+Acme. Nipp-on-AiR The time travelling part is irrelevant as the point is Pre-Warp Alien Contact and not time-traveling contact. Time travel is just one of the various means by which contact was made.
shim2dawg Vulcans can live to be two hundred but their aging doesn’t slow down until they’re in their late 30s (at least that’s my approximation based on Spock). More like her mother.
Lol I absolutely love that part when kira and o'brien go to the 60's and you hear jimi playing in the background, and those two hippies most likely tripping on acid see them beam out, and theyre just like 'woah', probably thinking how good that acid must've been
Didn't the preservers came to earth multiple times and abduct multiple, hence why so many cultures and near human species look similar, for I think it was stated that some of them, if not most were human.
And the moral of the story is... Miles O'Brian hates temporal mechanics. All joking aside, I do not think the alternate time line contacts should count. If we consider the fact that alternate timelines tend to produce wildly different resulting cultures and situations, then none of them can be considered the "true Earth" from our perspective. Obviously, it would be very real to the inhabitants of those alternate versions of Earth, but not to us since those events from our point-of-view may as well have not even happened.
Missionary of the Adepta Sororitas It was... but I HONESTLY hate the reboots as far as "Star Trek" is concerned. They're both great space action movies but they are Star Trek in name only. They could have called them "Space Guys" with Capt Kurt or whatever and I'd have been totally behind them. They AREN'T Star Trek. Where's the social commentary? Where are the lessons in morality and higher ideals? Where is the intelligent writing and attention to scientific detail? If they'd been totally rebranded as something else they'd be decent sci-fi movies. But they are low-brow caricatures of "Star Trek" and a "FUCK YOU" to almost 50 years of intelligent, socially relevant storytelling…and they should never have happened in the Star Trek universe. But that's just me, I could be wrong.
+Rob K Music The whole Cardassian/Bajoran occupation can be seen as social commentary on the holocaust and if not the holocaust than war in general at the least. But I really feel strongly that the Cardassians do represent the Nazi's and the Bajoran's the Jewish people. TNG had a two episodes dealing with Gender identity. The one where Beverly dates a trill and the one where Riker dates a person of a gender-less society who sees her self as female.
Thanks - that's exactly my aim. The new Abrams films have created a whole generation of new trekkies. I created this video series as a way to discuss Trek for that crowd, with possible insights for the seasoned fans, too.
Trekspertise Oh, I always liked Star Trek, but when I was a kid it was hard to follow. I mean, my dad nicknamed me Spock because sometimes I go full-logical by accident LOL. Anyways, cheers!
William H. Baird It is kind of amazing. Some if it is probably related to there not being a single resource for writers to research before. But now, with the internet, it must be a little easier to avoid the pitfalls of writing for Trek.
This is just brilliant. I think this channel has incredible potential, it just has to find a way to advertise itself (found this channel from /r/startrek). Will be expecting the next video soon!
***** You could change the name of the channel to Trekspertise instead of your name as it would probably attract more people since it directly represents what your channel is about. It would also look quite professional.
It definitely does though I think they seeded Earth's primordial soup so not really human contact. It's annoying that this wasn't mentioned. Probably the most important alien visit in Star Trek History.
The time line from the 1970s to about the 2030s really needs clarification. First, "Zefram Cochrane" in Star Trek T.O.S. was given the further title of "of Alpha Centauri." Second, after the Eugenics War, Khan and his followers escape on a spacecraft that is capable of interstellar flights at slower than light speeds. That sleeper ship implies that humanity had planetary colonies with in the solar system during the Third World War.
Well, we know Xephram Cochrane invented warp drive and that he lived in Alpha Centauri when Kirk bumped into him. But nothing in TOS indicates that he was born there, just that he moved there. And concerning human colonies. Star Trek reveals that there were humans on Mars by 2032, a few decades prior to the invention of Warp Drive. Humans probably hadn't left the solar system, however.
If you would permit me to ramble on a little longer; during this era, both “the Eugenics War,” and “World War Three” are mentioned. The big question is; are they separate events, or the same event, and if they are separate, did one trigger the other? One could assume that the two were the same, but that would also be lazy writing, (much like giving the Borg a queen.) There is a line from “Space Seed” that might clarify this. Spock asks, “Would you reveal to war-weary populations that some eighty Napoleons might still be alive?” This statement implies that there was still a government. While in the film “Star Trek: First Contact,” there wasn’t. This is important for the Star Trek story-line because these events are the foundation on which the Federation was built, but, we may have to wait for the Star Trek franchise to produce more episodes that explore this topic.
Actually if the Sky Spirits came to Earth that long ago then they would've had to go to Asia (probably Siberia) as that's where the Native Americans were at the time.
For me, the better was the Carbon Creek episode, when T'Pol grand-mother visits Earth. Remember than one member of the crew rested here... and we don't know how he interacts with humans. Did he met Gary Seven? Did he informed the Vulcans regularly? Did he guided the Vulcan ship in First Contact?
+irishbreakfast memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Platonian second paragraph "In the 1st millennium BC, they were the product of a mass eugenics program on the planet Sahndara. They were bred for contemplation, self-reliance, and longevity. The number of individuals generated by the program was pared down to thirty-eight. Before the planet's star went nova, this group resettled on Earth where they were exposed to the Greek civilization. When this civilization died, they moved on to Platonius where they founded their republic."
Do you count the Dinosaur people that Voyager met? I mean, they developed Warp Drive and went off to the Delta Quadrant, but they did start on earth... Do they count, being that they are actually from earth?
Trekspertise Thanks:) And I asked a question in the discussion area, about a possible future episode. Side note, have you read "Ark" by Stephen Baxter?
My personal head-canon likes to add one more race: The Greys. The Greys visited Earth many times during the late 20th and early 21st centuries, but any contact with them was generally disregarded by skeptical humans as fiction or the insane ramblings of madmen. Unfortunately, by the time Humans discovered Warp technology the Greys had already fallen victim to the interstellar war campaigns of the Klingons. The mostly peaceful race having been nearly eradicated, with the few survivors scattered throughout space as refugees and slaves. That's why we never see them on the shows.
Canonically the Grays are explained by the trip Odo and the Ferengi make to area 51. the Roswell incident accounts for much of the interest in, and supposed evidence for the existence of Grays.
Trekspertise Not sure, but I think it was implied that the Preservers had visited Earth on numerous occasions. And then there's Sargon's people who it's alluded seeded the Galaxy with their DNA resulting in the many humanoid life forms.
The Batman Didn't the Preservers supposedly seed Earth, as well as many other planets in the Trekverse, with life? I think that would make them the first pre-warp visitors to the planet.
but the probe probing for whales implies it knew there were whales, and that if there were whales, it may have seeded the planet with whales or came across them before in past travels etc... unless ironically they wre travellers from the future trying to push humanity to save wildlife and take more care of how they value all life to prevent some dark fate/future from unfolding... which is a fascinating possibility.... but not likely what occured etc...
he said it was T'Pol's great grandmother, but i say it was T'Pol herself......how else could she recall the entire event so precisely....and....have such an emotional need to keep the purse, and to visit Carbon Creek.....Vulcans live for around 200 years....plus, i say their original disbelief in time travel was actually a ruse for a highly classified subject around reckless humans....if humans discovered time travel as easily as Kirk did then you know the Vulcans already knew about it long before the Federation, and the Xindi War....we contemplate the possibility in real life, and we are definitely pre-warp
data built by alien technology.data has Alien knowledge.data is from alienuUnited federation of planets.data was built on alien federation colony.data and future humans,(parallel universe,alternative universe mirror universe),are alien,for pre warp humanity!
data is lifeform created on another planet with the alien technologies from the different alien species ,even alien species outside of United federation of planets.data is alien!
I have thought of this too and I think First Contact with Vulcans is the first acknowledged and public event. The rest were unknown as aliens or government secrets. so, #14 shouldn't really count since that timeline was erased or at least is outside the main one, once the cold war was resolved. I think it connects to honorable mention #3.
That's right, a Prophet took control of an earth woman to have sex with Captain Sisko's dad in order to conceive him. The woman he knew as his mother wasn't his bio mom.
I helped work on a series of scripts which were used in part by the Paramount writers but not entirely which involved a family group of Q and exiled Romulans who "hid out" in Earth's ancient past and established the Roman empire. Hence the similarities of names and culture between the Romulans and ancient Rome. The parts of it which made it to the screen however were the parts portraying the Q as both a race, and a sort of dysfunctional family group.
The guy's name was William Stemper, he used to hang out around the computer labs at Sonoma State and work on Star Trek Voyager scripts in the hopes that his story arc would be accepted for production. While the scripts were to the best of my knowledge, always returned as rejected, we noticed they had all be dog eared and soiled to the point it was obvious that they were passed around and read a lot, just not adopted in their entirety. It was Stemper who came up with the idea of the Q being a race that functioned kind of like an extended family. We found a reference to ancient Romulan contact in one of the novels if I remember correctly, thus probably considered non-canon, but it is the only way we can make a decent continuity out of this when the original old series writers were just not thinking it through as deeply as is needed in the expanded Star Trek universe.
+magicstix0r I think it probably was for a while, like from the end of WWII into the 70's, but it's gone way WAY down hill in recent decades, the golden state is now the brass state.
The CE dates are for old farts like me that first fell in love with Star Trek during the original broadcasts back in the sixties and have been to busy working since then to adapt ourselves to star date time. Maybe my kids that I started introducing to the original series this summer (thank you NF), will be able to do so.
+Will Barnes Agreed, dates using the newfangled "BCE" and "CE" instead of "BC" and "AD" are at best a temporary fad which will run its course and then fade into obscurity. Just silly stuff concocted by people trying to change something that doesn't need to be changed.
+Hal Jordan ; I am going to guess that you have not bothered to read any historical reference papers or reports, because in them the terms BCE and CE have been in common use since back in the seventies. It is a way of identifying time periods in scientific literature without getting caught up in the pseudo religious belief systems. So no, if this terminology has not faded away over the past forty years, and is the accepted way of identifying the eras of history by the scientific community, you are going to continue seeing it.
It's incredibly pretentious to make up new phrases/acronyms for our calendar just because it's PC when BC and AD will do. It also makes no sense to say Before Common Era and Common Era, because what was so common about, say, 1 CE, and not so uncommon at 1 BCE? At least the previous setup made some kind of sense. Also, it's just more efficient to keep it down to two letters, and to make them obviously distinguishable from each other.
MemeGnome Well, since "Before Christ" and "Anno Domini" both imply that a cosmic jewish zombie wizard who sacrificed himself to himself to remove from your soul an evil that he put there after a talking snake convinced a rib woman to eat a magical knowledge fruit is real, and there's no evidence to suggest any such foolish notion, the terms "Common Era" and "Before Common Era" are used to label the years of the calendar most often used around the world. It's got nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with not perpetuating fairy tales in an intelligent society.
May God always be with you all. (Trekspertise), you are very good at what you do ... simply wonderful, this is the path of all Humanity, with full certainty, we are moving towards this ...
A completely different sort of comment: thank you very much for speaking at a normal speed and keeping the videos at a normal speed yet not going into too many tangential details. So many geeky videos are either so "popular culture" that they rush through it all including the commentary at a breakneck pace, or way too long. And sometimes both.
One perhaps - the Platosians (sp?) from the TOS episode Plato's Step Children. It was said that they liked Plato's ideas, hence their name, but I'm not sure if it was said that they visited Earth or merely knew of Plato.
Hi :) That was great! Can you also do a show with all the star trek pre-warp encounterson far away planets, where the star trek crews are treated like gods? I am thinking of episodes like "blink of an eye" (Voyager), "Who watches the watchers" (STNG), "The first contact" (STNG Riker on Malcorian), "Muse" (voyager) and many more ...
Technically Worf did visit pre-warp Earth along with any other alien crew members since the Enterprise was evacuated and they all landed on Gravet Island.
+1 for O'Brien hating temporal mechanics.
What about the Klingon and also the suliban in the very first episode of enterprise
I mean I know it's Enterprise but Jesus Christ man. Talkin about Klingons and suliban and the premiere of the first episode of that series
Earth already had warp drive (ECS star freighters) and first contact (with Vulcans) in ENT.
@@pwnmeisterage yes, enterprise nx01 was the first warp5 starship. Not the first warp driven spacecraft.
You forgot the Beverly Crusher episode "Sub Rosa" where the alien entity has been stalking the Howard women over the centuries.
I think that was meant to imply that the family had been off earth for a long time. Colonies started just after warp travel would count as centuries for TNG but barely.
+Drew Stevenson Nope. He was known to have existed since at least 1647, when he took up residence with Jessel Howard shortly after appearing in the city of Glasgow on Earth. en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ronin I do believe the Earth year 1647 was pre-warp. Bow down to my Trek Nerdness!!!
Yeah I was thinking about the Howard 'Ghost' too.
Scott C haha dang that was a stupid episode
I just think every tries to forget "Sub Rosa". That's why it's not on this list.
I lost it at "Earth: We are not for eating"
apparently where a delicey in 7 Galaxys
On the other hand there is a very popular book, How to Serve Man.
I consider the first "contact" between humans and aliens is when Q dips his hand in the primordial "goo" that would one day become humans in the TNG finale. :P :P :P
Andrew Arias WHAAAAA??? Nothing else can touch that.
Andrew Arias Nice!
Andrew Arias Except in that timeline, the goo DIDN'T become life - the point of his visit was to show Picard that he had to act in the future for life to get started.
Yes. Just yes
Tod Lauer Very astute observation Tod
The people who sent the probe in 'Star Trek IV' to talk to the Humpbacks, given that Humpbacks went extinct before First Contact (going by Spock's dialogue) and that the aliens who built the probe must have had some contact with the Whales before, that probably happened in pre history, those guys deserve some sort of mention. Even if their contact wasn't with humans.
I would argue that Guinan's arrive to California is what MADE it cool.
got me there.
She made it cool before it was cool. She's the real hipster.
Then she joined "The View"
altha 2014 here we fucking go. 😒
May or may not count, but when the Borg went to earth, technically it could count as an untold number of species. Though at that point they are Borg.
Hmmm...that is a fair point.
I still think Borg should be considered a technological virus instead of a race.
I would love if the idea of groups of time traveling people randomly meeting each other and screwing each others plot over would be explored in a movie ^^
I was picturing Kira and OBrien talking with Spock and kirk lol...
and it takes a while, several hours of poker and drinking scotch or something...
but eventually
kirk: we can't tell them to much
Spock: ... I better mind-meld with them and erase their memories.
Kira: (jokingly mutters like a curse) Vulcans.
Obrien: better raise our shields major...
Spock and Kirk both are taken aback for a second before looking at each other
spock: I dont know why you are talking about mountains but...
kirk: shields? i didnt mention vulcans or shields....
and kira and obrien could just roll eyes at each other
O'Brien: I am just impressed we haven't erased our own existence yet
Spock: surmises from that whats happening
Spock just facepalms for the first time just when Jean Luc Picard and Q walk-in
Q: see I told you, you cant leave humans alone or next thing you know they start screwing up the timeline just to play cards and drink a few scotches...
Picard: ... I don't suppose you could shuffle a few more people who are out of places to stay at this time...
Spock: the buy-in is 150
... and Picard just tosses a phaser on the table.
kirk: well... I suppose that's good for the whole game.
Kirk then examines it with delicacy and deep curiosity, comparing it to his own seeing the differences and figuring out how powerful and how long its charge lasts.
Kira: I don't suppose you brought a time machine with you?
Q: I am ... not sure that would help
Picard: I am with a dynamic entry specialist i suppose you could say.
oh... I sort of went off script... oh well...
@@aurorauplinks I could hear John de Lancie making that pause in his last line haha
No mention of William Shakespeare?
"You've not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon."
There was a story wasn't there about why Shakespeare disappears from History the Trek-splanation being The Klingon's kidnapped him as they saw his plays as a great complement to their taste for Opera & Violence in his works.
Who knows maybe they actually do really know Shakespeare isn't Klingon but just wrote some of his Plays in Klingon First then translated them back to English when the Klingons eventually sent him home for whatever reason.
There is also repeated suggestions in other Media that the Klingons visited the old west era - (in time not with time travel) that eventually influencing Worf's interest in the period too when he's showing it to Alexander.
Alexander was also a Timetraveller and wasn't he also 1/8th Human too ? Never went to Earth though as far as I know as a Time travelller.
Alexander's parents were both half-Klingon/half-human, so he'd be half-and-half too.
Only K'Ehleyr was half human. Worf is full Klingon.
It's better in the original English.
@@90lancaster Alexander isn't 1/8th or 1/2 Klingon, he's 3/4.
Brilliant channel! I am a trekky and have seen the entire franchise twice. I love to see other people who do more then dabble lightly in the Trek universe
Welcome aboard =)
I love temporal mechanics
They don't exist though
Tell Obrian
Time travel, schmime travel. To get a passing grade in TimeTravel 101, you have to score a perfect 100% on the final exam. Everybody eventually does it on the first try.
Marcelo Glenadel
...and you will again.
"Jadzia Dax, the alien nesting doll of Starfleet" made me laugh way too hard! TY for putting some light hearted lines in these videos. :D
I think that the Q philosopher, known as Quinn, deserves a separate honorable mention as his interaction and intervention in Earths history had significant impact on the development of technology and the course of human events
The "alien nesting doll of Starfleet" got a chuckle.
Thank you for using the term BCE "Before Common Era".
Amazing job!!! Also the alien that was hiding in Tuvoc's mind as a repressed memory was on Earth back to the stone-age, and the "sub Rosa" alien.
Came her to post this. By the way, the official name of the Sub Rosa alien is "The Electric Space Ghost Who Banged Crusher's Grandmother".
NEVER speak of the abomination known as 'Sub Rosa'...🤬🤬🤬
"But they are not the hell your whales" Oh how I love you Spock
You gettin EMOTIONAL about the plankton munchin lard ass fish Spock not very Vulcan old bean
Good, since thay aren't mine, I'll no longer support them. MORE MONEY FOR ME!!!
Q's visit has to count. The episode where a Q wishes to commit suicide. one of the arguments was that if Q didnt exist, he would of not saved Rikers ancestor. Hence, had an affect on human history.
Yep. That Q (Quinn) visits in the 1666, 1864 and 1969 at least. We don't know of any visits beyond those.
How did I just find this channel? Oh man. I'm going to nerd out here....totally geeked.
Welcome aboard :)
I am enjoying how comprehensive these videos are. Excellent work and endlessly fascinating.
You forgot the ancient humanoids, who seeded our planet with genetic programs to ensure that we would evolve to look like them.
But humans didn't even existed back then
Spock is a champion of time travelling alright. For this topic, the Star Trek 2009 movie doesn't count of course but it involved him time travelling again ;).
+TheRealTMar Well, when you think of time travelling, it would count, as the prime universe Spock has time traveled ;) But his Abramsverse counterpart will perhabs never reach the amount of time travels :D
+Acme. Nipp-on-AiR The time travelling part is irrelevant as the point is Pre-Warp Alien Contact and not time-traveling contact. Time travel is just one of the various means by which contact was made.
I thought the implication with T'pol's great grandmother was that it was actually T'pol herself?
shim2dawg
Vulcans can live to be two hundred but their aging doesn’t slow down until they’re in their late 30s (at least that’s my approximation based on Spock). More like her mother.
Lol I absolutely love that part when kira and o'brien go to the 60's and you hear jimi playing in the background, and those two hippies most likely tripping on acid see them beam out, and theyre just like 'woah', probably thinking how good that acid must've been
"I hurt my nose."
What about the "Ancient humanoids" from STTNG: The Chase?
Great video!
That is my favorite quote from O'Brian.
Didn't the preservers came to earth multiple times and abduct multiple, hence why so many cultures and near human species look similar, for I think it was stated that some of them, if not most were human.
That's was McCoy's theory.
And the moral of the story is... Miles O'Brian hates temporal mechanics.
All joking aside, I do not think the alternate time line contacts should count. If we consider the fact that alternate timelines tend to produce wildly different resulting cultures and situations, then none of them can be considered the "true Earth" from our perspective. Obviously, it would be very real to the inhabitants of those alternate versions of Earth, but not to us since those events from our point-of-view may as well have not even happened.
Missionary of the Adepta Sororitas You mean like the new Trek reboot movies... :P
Rob K Music I know that was mostly meant as a jest, but exactly like the reboot movies, just another alternate reality..
Missionary of the Adepta Sororitas It was... but I HONESTLY hate the reboots as far as "Star Trek" is concerned. They're both great space action movies but they are Star Trek in name only. They could have called them "Space Guys" with Capt Kurt or whatever and I'd have been totally behind them. They AREN'T Star Trek. Where's the social commentary? Where are the lessons in morality and higher ideals? Where is the intelligent writing and attention to scientific detail? If they'd been totally rebranded as something else they'd be decent sci-fi movies. But they are low-brow caricatures of "Star Trek" and a "FUCK YOU" to almost 50 years of intelligent, socially relevant storytelling…and they should never have happened in the Star Trek universe.
But that's just me, I could be wrong.
Rob K Music
I think it caters a bit too much to younger generations. That said, I enjoyed them, but I don't see them as True Trek, just New-Trek.
+Rob K Music The whole Cardassian/Bajoran occupation can be seen as social commentary on the holocaust and if not the holocaust than war in general at the least. But I really feel strongly that the Cardassians do represent the Nazi's and the Bajoran's the Jewish people.
TNG had a two episodes dealing with Gender identity. The one where Beverly dates a trill and the one where Riker dates a person of a gender-less society who sees her self as female.
I'm not a massive trekkie, but this guy makes it easier to get into :o
Thanks - that's exactly my aim. The new Abrams films have created a whole generation of new trekkies. I created this video series as a way to discuss Trek for that crowd, with possible insights for the seasoned fans, too.
Trekspertise Oh, I always liked Star Trek, but when I was a kid it was hard to follow. I mean, my dad nicknamed me Spock because sometimes I go full-logical by accident LOL. Anyways, cheers!
I never thought there would be that many! Amazing compilation!
William H. Baird It is kind of amazing. Some if it is probably related to there not being a single resource for writers to research before. But now, with the internet, it must be a little easier to avoid the pitfalls of writing for Trek.
This is just brilliant. I think this channel has incredible potential, it just has to find a way to advertise itself (found this channel from /r/startrek). Will be expecting the next video soon!
***** You could change the name of the channel to Trekspertise instead of your name as it would probably attract more people since it directly represents what your channel is about. It would also look quite professional.
***** Well, I did some quick research and found this: support.google.com/youtube/answer/3479363?hl=en
Hope I could help.
This video had me chuckling throughout. Thanks! As for those honorable mentions, I think they probably count!
Gabriel Rodriguez Of course. Thank you for watching =)
I don't know if this one counts but at the end of the episode of the chase in star trek tng the alien seeded planets of its dna.
It definitely does though I think they seeded Earth's primordial soup so not really human contact. It's annoying that this wasn't mentioned. Probably the most important alien visit in Star Trek History.
Doesn't count as contact though because they were seeding the creation of the species -- nothing there to contact before they arrived.
Does everybody just forget about. Sargon
the running gag with the "I hate temperal mechanics" is nice...
The time line from the 1970s to about the 2030s really needs clarification. First, "Zefram Cochrane" in Star Trek T.O.S. was given the further title of "of Alpha Centauri." Second, after the Eugenics War, Khan and his followers escape on a spacecraft that is capable of interstellar flights at slower than light speeds. That sleeper ship implies that humanity had planetary colonies with in the solar system during the Third World War.
+Trekspertise should get in this.
Damn. The tag doesn't work.
You rang?
Well, we know Xephram Cochrane invented warp drive and that he lived in Alpha Centauri when Kirk bumped into him. But nothing in TOS indicates that he was born there, just that he moved there.
And concerning human colonies. Star Trek reveals that there were humans on Mars by 2032, a few decades prior to the invention of Warp Drive. Humans probably hadn't left the solar system, however.
Trekspertise Thank you!
If you would permit me to ramble on a little longer; during this era, both “the Eugenics War,” and “World War Three” are mentioned. The big question is; are they separate events, or the same event, and if they are separate, did one trigger the other?
One could assume that the two were the same, but that would also be lazy writing, (much like giving the Borg a queen.) There is a line from “Space Seed” that might clarify this.
Spock asks, “Would you reveal to war-weary populations that some eighty Napoleons might still be alive?”
This statement implies that there was still a government. While in the film “Star Trek: First Contact,” there wasn’t.
This is important for the Star Trek story-line because these events are the foundation on which the Federation was built, but, we may have to wait for the Star Trek franchise to produce more episodes that explore this topic.
i just noticed, you do mention the music at the end of the video. great! :)
Seem like pre-warp aliens only like to visit the western hemisphere.
Amelia Earhart, her co-pilot, and a Japanese Soldier were all taken from the Eastern Hemisphere.
Borg drones have landed on the pole.
Actually if the Sky Spirits came to Earth that long ago then they would've had to go to Asia (probably Siberia) as that's where the Native Americans were at the time.
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Which would explain why they moved to the Western Hemisphere.
@@matthew8153 they moved coz too many aliens visited Asia , there like "there an alien abduction every week now, lets move to America" LOL
Also, missed one. In ST first contact, there is a bolian shown carrying an engineering kit. Hes just an extra, but he is still an alien :)
That is an EXCELLENT catch
Earth, it's what's for dinner!
For me, the better was the Carbon Creek episode, when T'Pol grand-mother visits Earth. Remember than one member of the crew rested here... and we don't know how he interacts with humans. Did he met Gary Seven? Did he informed the Vulcans regularly? Did he guided the Vulcan ship in First Contact?
"Earth. We are not for eating." :D
This is incredible. Thank you.
'Q - All time and space"
Lol.
Chris Edwards …everything that ever happened and ever will. Wait! That's Doctor Who!
Well... I didn't remember any of the TOS examples... I guess I'd better get to rewatch those again!
you did a nice job.....
+Gregory Creswell Thank you =)
I don't recall Torres coming down to earth in that episode, just Tuvok, Janeway, Chakotay, and Paris. In fact, I'm pretty positive of this.
What about the Platonians from Plato's Stepchildren, about 400 BCE
+irishbreakfast memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Platonian second paragraph "In the 1st millennium BC, they were the product of a mass eugenics program on the planet Sahndara. They were bred for contemplation, self-reliance, and longevity. The number of individuals generated by the program was pared down to thirty-eight. Before the planet's star went nova, this group resettled on Earth where they were exposed to the Greek civilization. When this civilization died, they moved on to Platonius where they founded their republic."
Number 11, you're saying that Guinan is a Hipster of Star Trek? Agreed. Great video!
Weber588 o-o Thank you =)
Do you count the Dinosaur people that Voyager met? I mean, they developed Warp Drive and went off to the Delta Quadrant, but they did start on earth... Do they count, being that they are actually from earth?
MsCreepyChan Which episode was this?
MsCreepyChan I don't. For the sake the criteria in the episode, I count only alien visitations that occur after humanity evolved.
David K It was a Voyager episode called "Distant Origin".
Trekspertise
Thanks:) And I asked a question in the discussion area, about a possible future episode. Side note, have you read "Ark" by Stephen Baxter?
David K Hmm...I missed it. Or did I? What was your idea.
And no, I haven't read Ark YET. I certainly need to check that out!
"Dax... the nesting doll of Star Fleet." Nice.
+Chris Miles I did like that one.
My personal head-canon likes to add one more race: The Greys.
The Greys visited Earth many times during the late 20th and early 21st centuries, but any contact with them was generally disregarded by skeptical humans as fiction or the insane ramblings of madmen. Unfortunately, by the time Humans discovered Warp technology the Greys had already fallen victim to the interstellar war campaigns of the Klingons. The mostly peaceful race having been nearly eradicated, with the few survivors scattered throughout space as refugees and slaves. That's why we never see them on the shows.
Canonically the Grays are explained by the trip Odo and the Ferengi make to area 51. the Roswell incident accounts for much of the interest in, and supposed evidence for the existence of Grays.
"First awesome person to visit pre-warp Earth."
Awesome! :)
Yes I think they can count as Earth visits.
Blk Popeye Noted.
Trekspertise Not sure, but I think it was implied that the Preservers had visited Earth on numerous occasions. And then there's Sargon's people who it's alluded seeded the Galaxy with their DNA resulting in the many humanoid life forms.
The Batman Didn't the Preservers supposedly seed Earth, as well as many other planets in the Trekverse, with life? I think that would make them the first pre-warp visitors to the planet.
If they got here in a matter of days or hours,they might have developed a propusion system unknown to us that defy our laws of phyics.
I forgot about the Voth, technically a non-Human, space-faring, civilization that actually developed on Earth.
This was a great video in terms of editing and footage! very nice.
@8:04 - Jean Picard? WTF? It's Jean-Luc Picard.
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Well he’s not all there in the head what with his BCE & CE nonsense.
He just barely says the 'Luc' but it's there lol.
This was very informative. thank you
So the ferengi visiting the earth in the nineteen forty's.... Is that before or after the planetary express crew did?
Troll Bones
About the same.
Wow, Birmingham Alabama included at 26 seconds in a Star Trek clip...never thought I'd see that.
You live there?
I hate temporal mechanics
"Also, she looks good in a hat."
That kind of made my day.
More importantly, thanks for another awesome video. :)
As well forgot to mention the probe that's was in Star Trek IV when Spock rescues the whales
The probe is in the future (24th century) when it comes to Earth. They travel back in time to get the whales, but the probe doesn't.
but the probe probing for whales implies it knew there were whales, and that if there were whales, it may have seeded the planet with whales or came across them before in past travels etc... unless ironically they wre travellers from the future trying to push humanity to save wildlife and take more care of how they value all life to prevent some dark fate/future from unfolding... which is a fascinating possibility....
but not likely what occured etc...
Wow, theres a few episodes I missed, Im def gonna see these tonight! I LOVE Time travel
Topic for new episode: Why did the new enterprise tv show fail?
ReviewGameX i hate it 😆
he said it was T'Pol's great grandmother, but i say it was T'Pol herself......how else could she recall the entire event so precisely....and....have such an emotional need to keep the purse, and to visit Carbon Creek.....Vulcans live for around 200 years....plus, i say their original disbelief in time travel was actually a ruse for a highly classified subject around reckless humans....if humans discovered time travel as easily as Kirk did then you know the Vulcans already knew about it long before the Federation, and the Xindi War....we contemplate the possibility in real life, and we are definitely pre-warp
Wait... Sloane? Could Lily be related to Section 31's one and only?
I thought it was Sloan in DS9. More like a coincidence.
Nah, I don't think so.
Good to know I'm not the only geek out there keeping track of this stuff.
Since Data is neither Human, nor was he built on Earth, shouldn't hit visit(s) count?
Agreed. Data is sentient (Jean Luc Picard v. Federation Starfleet)
He's not from Earth, not a human, and alive. What is an alien beyond that definition?
data built by alien technology.data has Alien knowledge.data is from alienuUnited federation of planets.data was built on alien federation colony.data and future humans,(parallel universe,alternative universe mirror universe),are alien,for pre warp humanity!
data is lifeform created on another planet with the alien technologies from the different alien species ,even alien species outside of United federation of planets.data is alien!
Dang you beat me to it. :)
I have thought of this too and I think First Contact with Vulcans is the first acknowledged and public event. The rest were unknown as aliens or government secrets. so, #14 shouldn't really count since that timeline was erased or at least is outside the main one, once the cold war was resolved. I think it connects to honorable mention #3.
What about the Prophets?
That's right, a Prophet took control of an earth woman to have sex with Captain Sisko's dad in order to conceive him. The woman he knew as his mother wasn't his bio mom.
Again he is only referencing the pre-warp visitations.
I helped work on a series of scripts which were used in part by the Paramount writers but not entirely which involved a family group of Q and exiled Romulans who "hid out" in Earth's ancient past and established the Roman empire. Hence the similarities of names and culture between the Romulans and ancient Rome. The parts of it which made it to the screen however were the parts portraying the Q as both a race, and a sort of dysfunctional family group.
The guy's name was William Stemper, he used to hang out around the computer labs at Sonoma State and work on Star Trek Voyager
scripts in the hopes that his story arc would be accepted for production. While the scripts were to the best of my knowledge, always returned as rejected, we noticed they had all be dog eared and soiled to the point it was obvious that they were passed around and read a lot, just not adopted in their entirety. It was Stemper who came up with the idea of the Q being a race that functioned kind of like an extended family.
We found a reference to ancient Romulan contact in one of the novels if I remember correctly, thus probably considered non-canon, but it is the only way we can make a decent continuity out of this when the original old series writers were just not thinking it through as deeply as is needed in the expanded Star Trek universe.
they are not the hell your whales.
7:00- Forget the TSA, man. What Archer and T'Pol really needed was Robocop, LOL :)
When was California ever cool?
+magicstix0r I think it probably was for a while, like from the end of WWII into the 70's, but it's gone way WAY down hill in recent decades, the golden state is now the brass state.
+magicstix0r, When it falls off the west coasts of AZ, NM, & ID.
Charles Batchelor invest in a map.
All the time travel Star Treks are my favorites!
I like the video, but not the use of "CE" ...
+Will Barnes Me either. Clearly he should have used stardates. Trek noob. :D
The CE dates are for old farts like me that first fell in love with Star Trek during the original broadcasts back in the sixties and have been to busy working since then to adapt ourselves to star date time.
Maybe my kids that I started introducing to the original series this summer (thank you NF), will be able to do so.
+Will Barnes I had to Google it, I had no idea what it meant.
+Will Barnes Agreed, dates using the newfangled "BCE" and "CE" instead of "BC" and "AD" are at best a temporary fad which will run its course and then fade into obscurity. Just silly stuff concocted by people trying to change something that doesn't need to be changed.
+Hal Jordan ; I am going to guess that you have not bothered to read any historical reference papers or reports, because in them the terms BCE and CE have been in common use since back in the seventies.
It is a way of identifying time periods in scientific literature without getting caught up in the pseudo religious belief systems.
So no, if this terminology has not faded away over the past forty years, and is the accepted way of identifying the eras of history by the scientific community, you are going to continue seeing it.
Carbon Creek was one of my fave episodes with t'pol, but the best one is when sysco, dax and kira go to earth during the Bell riots!
Its BC not BCE and AD not CE..
Its BCE not BC and CE not AD.
Without a "domini", there can be no "Anno Domini". So there is simply "Common Era".
It's incredibly pretentious to make up new phrases/acronyms for our calendar just because it's PC when BC and AD will do. It also makes no sense to say Before Common Era and Common Era, because what was so common about, say, 1 CE, and not so uncommon at 1 BCE? At least the previous setup made some kind of sense.
Also, it's just more efficient to keep it down to two letters, and to make them obviously distinguishable from each other.
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Well, since "Before Christ" and "Anno Domini" both imply that a cosmic jewish zombie wizard who sacrificed himself to himself to remove from your soul an evil that he put there after a talking snake convinced a rib woman to eat a magical knowledge fruit is real, and there's no evidence to suggest any such foolish notion, the terms "Common Era" and "Before Common Era" are used to label the years of the calendar most often used around the world.
It's got nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with not perpetuating fairy tales in an intelligent society.
Its not "PC". Our culture has expanded to the point where just assuming the United States is a Christian nation is presumptuous and foolish.
May God always be with you all.
(Trekspertise), you are very good at what you do ... simply wonderful, this is the path of all Humanity, with full certainty, we are moving towards this ...
A completely different sort of comment: thank you very much for speaking at a normal speed and keeping the videos at a normal speed yet not going into too many tangential details. So many geeky videos are either so "popular culture" that they rush through it all including the commentary at a breakneck pace, or way too long. And sometimes both.
+beth12svist You are absolutely welcome =)
I love Temporal Mechanics! Great Video!
Amazing knowledge base of the Star Trek canon.
Spock trying to use "colorful medifors" was hilarious.
WHOA...you are good, thank you for posting.
You know, the Gary 7 thing was supposed to be a pilot for a Star trek Spin-off. I'd still like to see that show.
Fascinating....and logical. Flawlessly logical.
"I see you've noticed the ears...he got his head caught in a mechanical rice-picking machine."
Fantastically well researched. Great video.
We built this city on rock and roll nice starship plug dude I love it
This is my fourth viewing of this clip, but only the third, chronologically, in your timeline.
"Not only is this the earliest recorded visit of aliens to Earth, it is almost the most offensive." I choked on my food, I wasn't expecting that line.
Hey! That was pretty terrific! Subscribed! :)
theGhoulman Welcome aboard, crewman!
Just discovered your channel, really digging it. Well researched and insightful, keep up the good work!
The episode where Sisko goes back in time is one of the greatest ST 2 parters ever.
One perhaps - the Platosians (sp?) from the TOS episode Plato's Step Children. It was said that they liked Plato's ideas, hence their name, but I'm not sure if it was said that they visited Earth or merely knew of Plato.
+sciguyjeff they didn't
"considering how time travel works, Spock's record can be bested at any time." Actually, it already has been broken, it just didn't happen yet.
Hi :) That was great!
Can you also do a show with all the star trek pre-warp encounterson far away planets, where the star trek crews are treated like gods? I am thinking of episodes like "blink of an eye" (Voyager), "Who watches the watchers" (STNG), "The first contact" (STNG Riker on Malcorian), "Muse" (voyager) and many more ...
Technically Worf did visit pre-warp Earth along with any other alien crew members since the Enterprise was evacuated and they all landed on Gravet Island.
That was fun to watch
oh right on ,thanks for getting back to my question mr.trekspertise
Did we?
i asked about warp speed question and you answered by saying it’s the deflecting dish
The episode of Enterprise “Vulcans” was filmed down the street from my house when I lived in Crestline, ca