To err is human, not Vulcan. So it's just proof of one fewer first contact.
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Ferengi in Roswell, Lanthanites and El-Aurians thorough history, the Megans, Spock in the '1930s, a different Vulcan on the West Coast (this time Tuvok in LA in 1996), a Trill (Jadzia Dax) in 2024... there were a few famous examples missing from this list.
@@VictorReynolds Right, alongside whatever Isis was. And of course then there was Tallin in 2024, probably a few more members of that organization, and a Borg queen. Looks like in the Star Trek universe the UFO nuts were right; pre-contact Earth was positively lousy with aliens.
not just Jadzia, but there was also ANOTHER Dax on the planet at the same time! she used the same bank account, took a while to convince the bank she was the same person. also, it was mentioned with the Devidians, but Guinan! she didn't get her own mention!
Yes, but obviously, it wasn't picked up. I think it would've been GREAT! Would also have the added production benefit of not needing to pay for expensive sets of alien worlds or ships. @@joannesmith2484
@@darrengriffin8609 The clip was in the context of another list of Alien Encounters before First Contact. I assume planning is underway for the second video!
At the end of Carbon Creek doesn't T'Pol take out her grandmother's purse she brought back from 1950's Earth? Seemed rather a sign that it was a true story.
Gary Seven wasn't an alien, but Isis was. Also, we see Gary Seven's Job revisited in Picard, Season 2 with a Romulan. We also see a Romulan trying to kill Khan in SNW.
That was the first thing I thought of. Redjac had to be operating at least as early as the 19th century. He might have arrived earlier if the victims weren’t discovered or in remote areas that were not keeping records. He had subsequent attacks noticed in later years, leaving after a century of activity on earth.
My thought on the Vulcan who stayed behind on Earth in the episode Carbon Creek is that he was relatively young by Vulcan standards. Probably only in his 30s or 40s. He had a lot of life ahead of him and managed to live as a human until official first contact was made. When the Vulcan Embassy on Earth was established, he quietly made his way there and shared his anthropological findings.
I think we know how he handled pon farr. There were probably a few Vulcan/human hybrids on Earth after Mistral decided to stay. Unless of course he used protection!
But I'm sure Trip thought the word 'story' near a lie as his mother probably said many times in his life, "you better not be telling me a story (lie)"! Maybe, T'Pol should've brought her 2nd foremother's purse with her on her next meal in the Cpt.'s dining room.
So why did she tell Trip-after their exploration in 'Harbinger'-that she was using him as a 'lab rat'? Lt. Saavik also used David Marcus in a similar way (in the novel-maybe she read T'Pol's journals at Starfleet). Some logic.
There are three Star Trek novels that mention Mestral living long enough for Earth's first contact with his people. He arrived at Bozeman to witness Cochrane shaking hands with the Vulcan Ambassador, who is the father of Sarek and grandfather of Spock. His people were able to take him home afterward. The novels involve a lot of time travel and other aliens that arrived on Earth before the Vulcans due to them trying to finding a new home because their home planet is dying or running away from oppression. He ends up helping Kirk, Spock, Gary Seven, and Roberta Lincoln investigate some unknown alien activity in the 20th century. Due to his short time in the 23rd century, he used this knowledge to ensure Cochrane moved to Montana from New York City since New York City would be one of the first city to be destroyed at the beginning of World War III. Edit: The first of these novels mentions the events of the Roswell episode from Deep Space Nine when Quark, Rom, and Nog ended up in 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico and also the episodes when Voyager was sent back to Earth in 1996. It is told by one of the soldiers from the Roswell episode who was interrogating Quark, Rom, and Nog in 1947, and he witnessed the news covering Voyager flight across the night sky in Los Angeles as an old man.
I agree that Carbon Creek is one of the most delightful episodes of Star Trek, period. I've rewatched it more than any other Enterprise episode. I love the idea of a Vulcan among us, watching our reruns on Tubi.
My issue with most people's interpretation is the assumption he would die before first contact. Vulcans live a long time and Nastral as at most middle age; he would likely survive well over 100 years on earth. In my head he just walks into the vulcan embassy and is quietly taken back to vulcan (no need to freak out the emotional humans).
@@danspawn85 True but tuckers doubts about what happened to him when he died wouldnt assume that. Many died but still only 5-10% of the population at most
North Star - Enterprise. People from the old West were kidnapped to be slaves on another planet. They overthrew their captors and became discriminatory towards them. Archer helped them to get along.
I even wrote a sequel to North Star. Archer returns and finds the humans are on the verge of civil war, because McReady is President and wants to abolish laws that discriminate against the Skagarrans, but his former Deputy Bennings is forming a Ku Klux Klan-type political organization opposed to MacReady and his policies.
Nestral was likely under 100 and would likely survive well past the official first contact with the Vulcans. If he was fairly young (under 40) it is possible he would still be alive in the time of enterprise.
I'm surprised you didn't include Quark, Rom and Nog crashlanding in Roswell in 1947, or Spock's interactions with Edith Keeler in 'The City On The Edge Of Forever. Okay, the 2nd one is debatable as he never (IIRC) revealed himself as a Vulcan, but he did display his slightly less than human mannerisms. "I am endeavouring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins."
I think Mestral's fate is a sad piece of peotic irony. His comrades saw humans as Savage and would use their relatively new Atomic weapons to destroy themselves whilst he saw the good potential in us. Perhaps, sadly, the reason no one found his body was because he lived long enough to become one of the millions of casualties of the Third World War and there was nothing left of him to examine.
Given the increasing death toll of WW3 in later and later references to it I suspect he did die, but I’d like to think he survived and tried to help rebuild. That these aliens he lived with were going through the same thing Vulcans did (and in a way had their own Romulans by way of Khan’s Augment exiles) and they also simply needed to be shown a better way. Maybe he helped establish First Contact directly or indirectly by somehow helping human science along the way, knowing the Vulcans were watching and what their schedule would be.
"Carbon Creek" is easily one of my absolute favorite episodes, of "S.T. ~ Enterprise"! I have occasionally caught myself wondering about Mestril's life, in 1950's America, after their rescue ship departed without him. He had a good heart, and he did not seem to be overly burdened with suppressing his emotions, entirely. I do hope that he had love, and friendship, in his life. I hope he had someone to whom he was able to confide the truth to about who, and what, he really was. Someone, who would keep his secret, and who would help him. I really do hope that he did live for a long time, and that he prospered. 🖖🍻✌
I would also love to know what his status was, but considering that Vulcans live in average of three times the average life expectancy of a human in that decade, unfortunately even if you fell in love with someone and spent their life with them, they would die while he was still a relatively young man. He could spend the next person's life with them and the next person and maybe get old and gray and die with them the third time around. However considering that Vulcan emotions when they are not being fully suppressed or significantly stronger than humans, his grief if he was not practicing his emotional suppression may have overwhelmed him.
The American Civil War took place over 500 years Prior to the events in ST Voyager. Riker,s Civil War ancestor would be a great great great great great great great grandfather.
You forgot to mention: the punk in the bus was listening to the song he wrote and produced. It's in the credits of Star Trek IV: "There be whales here and transparent Aluminium where Scotty talks to a Mac IIc via the mouse."
You forgot Gary Seven, whose ancestors were abducted by aliens around 4000 BC. Also, Spock interacted with humans in the 1930s in the classic episode, "City on the Edge of Forever."
I want to know how he managed his Pon Farr, how he obtained healthcare and how generally he hid his Vulcan physiology for so long. Were there other Vulcans on Earth at that time ? If there were, how would he contact them ?
Fin fact about that "Punk on the Bus" - You rightly say "...a punk who would like to listen to *his* music really quite loud... " How right you are: the actor playing the punk (Kirk Thatcher, *ahem*) is actually the performer of the music playing on the boombox.
The briori taking 300 people is also an interesting number choice. It's enough people for genetic diversity for a breading population to increase to thousands millions and eventually billions of people in the future over time makes me wonder if they also wanted a slave labor worker force that could self repopulate without having to get more people and making more trips
everyone needs to visit san francisco at least once so they can see for themselves exactly how _normal_ spock would have seemed in that crowd. it's all college kids, hippies, and homeless people. nobody would have batted an eye.
Rather then a long babble about Data’s body parts in Times Arrow (not related to the topic). Could had mentioned the El-Aurians and gotten a two for one episode.
I think Redjac counts as an alien if you're bringing in things that are even more powerful like the Q. A third episode you could do would be the non-canon but licensed instances, some of which directly involve the aliens from this episode. The Mesoamerican god from the animated series, the Preserver trilogy by Shatner & the Reeves-Stevens, etc.
Also, if you're counting Star Trek IV, what about Assignment: Earth and The City on the Edge of Forever? AND HOW CAN YOU FORGET THE FERENGI IN LITTLE GREEN MEN???!!!
You forgot "Vulcan In A Suit," "Vulcan On An Air Force Base," "Half Klingon Engineer In A Basement," and "Vulcan Freakosaurus." Captain Braxton unstuck in the Nineties does not count, but Spock's journeys to 1960s Earth and Tuvok's and B'Elanna's trip to the Nineties do.
At 12:30, one of the cloaked ship’s landing feet crushed the trash can, but not the grass itself. The ground appears to get flatten, but the grass on top of it does not. That’s some bad special effects and then relying on people watching it to be distracted by the flattening of the trash can to not notice the grass not flattening. But, in the end, it was a fun film to watch.
Actually Spock was the first Vulcan to visit Earth, by means of the Guardian of Forever n the 1930's. 🖖😊 T'Mir and crew arrived in the 1950's. Mestral would still have been on Earth when Spock returned twice in the 1960's. I wonder if some beta canon novel had them meet? Heck, given the Vulcan lifespan, Mestral could still have been around in the 1980's, and possibly even seen the official First Contact, provided he survived the war.
Kirk Randolph Thatcher was an associate producer of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, and played the part of the music-blasting Punk on Bus in that film. Thatcher actually composed the song "I Hate You" which plays on his boombox in the movie.
let's see... I mean we have Jack the Ripper, The Borg, The OTHER crash of the Volcans on Earth, Quetzalcoatl, the Skagarans, the Douwd, the Lanthanites, the Prophets, the El-Aurians, the Na'kuhl, Quark's group in Roswell, and I'm sure there are more than that. That's just the ones that with your list come to mind. Oh the Romulans, the Progenators, the Travelers, the Whales. I mean... it's sorta a growing list of which races haven't wound up on ancient earth.
I've always wondered about "The 37s"... Why would these aliens go to all the trouble of kidnapping humans for slave labor, then leave a bunch of them in stasis? A couple more from Enterprise.... The Borg in that "The Thing" episode where they were found in the arctic. and the aliens who kidnapped the cowboys... Slagarins was it?
Before we even get started, I will say that Carbon Creek and little green men both better be on this list otherwise it is incomplete. Oh yes and I believe there was Gary 72 although I don't know too much about that one because I've only seen it once or twice ages ago. There is also the fact that Guinan was in the past in season two of Picard as well as in times arrow in the next generation. In addition to her on times arrow there was those aliens. I'll probably think of Moore as I'm watching but all of those examples must be there in order for the list to be complete and I know I'm probably missing some.
The list is missing the Skagarans from Enterprise's Episode North Star. Wasn't Tuvok and B'Elena in LA in the 90s? and there's the Lanthanite Pelia played by Carol Kane on Strange New World, also the guardian who was looking after Renee Picard, there are way more encounters, enough for a second list I think.
Ah, my top 10 least favorite episodes. :-) I dislike "aliens were here a long time ago." Though... Where is Little Green Men?? That's actually a really good episode!
1. Q & Picard traveled back to the origin of life on Earth. Not technically first contact, but first something. 2. The Voth, originally from Earth, could have made first contact with aliens millions of years before humans evolved.
9:42 Why would he vaporize himself? He's a Vulcan, he could live long enough to be a witness of the First Contact. 110 years is around half of Vulcan lifespan.
As it turns out, Apollo could have had everything he wanted. By establishing a federation outpost, and with suitable publicity, the hundreds of billions of beings throughout the Federation would have resulted in more people flocking to the planet upon which Apollo than the planet could actually sustain. Apollo was eventually convinced by a subspace "phone call" with his brother (half-brother, really), Hercules.
Keats was born in 1795, the last five years of the 18th century. His poems were all written in 19th century. He's a 19th century poet. Eighteenth century? Where do you do your research?
What about when Quark, Rom and Nog were thrown through time and wound up in Roswell, and captured by the military but were saved by Odo who had taken the form of a dog and was a stowaway, and finally escaped back through time to Deep Space 9?
I feel like the events in VOY "one small step" kind of count too. It wasn't direct alien contact, but a 20th century astronaut saw proof of alien life.
The "Vulcans gave the velcro to the Americans who claimed to have developed it" thing is as obnoxious as the "Edison invented the lightbulb" myth. Velcro wasn't even invented in the USA.
There's also one of the Picard episodes which described a Vulcan survey party in the 1950s influencing a boy who later became a federal investigator and arrested and interrogated Picard and Guinan.
@@danieloneal7137 I envision an elderly Mestral goes back to Vulcan to pass on his 100 years of research about humans. He would be the foremost authority on humanity and his research would be mandatory reading for any Vulcan being deployed to earth.
Mestral would most likely still be alive at the time that Vulcans officially made first contact. It's even possible he could be a elderly Vulcan at the time of Enterprise. Probably not but definitely by first contact.
"Carpenter Street" was the only episode of a TV show where I ended up sending the studio a letter. It wasn't the story, but the setting. I live in the Detroit area, and it made me so angry that the studio couldn't be bothered to research the fact that 1) there are no mountains in the Detroit area, 2) there are also no palm trees in Michigan, and 3) they couldn't open a street map of Detroit to see that certain streets did not intersect with each other. (as a side note, I actually ended up many years later living near Carpenter Street). i was such a little geek back then, but now i'm a much older and wiser geek ;)
I was gonna bring up Gary 7, but then I immediately remembered that he's just a human from a line transplanted from Earth millennia ago, and we have virtually no information about who started that remote branch of humanity.
I'd bet Mestral went mining again and in saving yet more unfortunate trapped men, he ended up stuck and then squished by a collapsing mine ceiling, and nobody dared exhume his body for fear of yet another collapse, but, that's just one of the many ideas postulated as to what could have happened, could have lived all the way through to 2063 and naffed off home again on the first transport he could get before the silly humans cracked open any more tins of canned sunshine... :P
The irony is that Quinn didn't have to off himself. He could have just waited awhile longer for his eventual natural death, as it is confirmed that Q's can eventually die of old age in Picard season 3. However, billions of years of existence doing literally everything would eventually get boring, so maybe he did have a point.
Carbon Creek is one of my favorite ST episodes of all time, I have no idea why but when she sells that Velcro and brings that money to the bar for the guy to go to school i start crying every time, and I'm not ashamed, but I also don't know why, It just makes me cry for some loopy reason....LOL
0:08 Considering the fact that hand touching is very intimate to a Vulcan, it's funny how this Vulcan just went along with it like - oh these aliens are wild, let's go.
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Blame Kris for that title repeat, Tom actually edited that bit fine.
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He must’ve not had his coffee
It is highly implied that Preserves operate outside the time. What may be the solution to this issue.
I thought I'd messed something up with TH-cam until I saw the lipsync was still on.
To err is human, not Vulcan. So it's just proof of one fewer first contact.
Ferengi in Roswell, Lanthanites and El-Aurians thorough history, the Megans, Spock in the '1930s, a different Vulcan on the West Coast (this time Tuvok in LA in 1996), a Trill (Jadzia Dax) in 2024... there were a few famous examples missing from this list.
And lest we forget, Spock in 1968.
@@VictorReynolds Right, alongside whatever Isis was. And of course then there was Tallin in 2024, probably a few more members of that organization, and a Borg queen. Looks like in the Star Trek universe the UFO nuts were right; pre-contact Earth was positively lousy with aliens.
not just Jadzia, but there was also ANOTHER Dax on the planet at the same time! she used the same bank account, took a while to convince the bank she was the same person. also, it was mentioned with the Devidians, but Guinan! she didn't get her own mention!
You mentioned the Megans, but don't forget about Kukulkán!
Kira also visited earth of the past while searching for Daz Sisko and Bashir in past tense.
Mavity... I noticed that little sneaky crossover.
I love how casually it was just slipped in there. :D
Brilliant!!!!
@@TesseractUnfolded I hear it often since the special. I think in a decades know one will know anymore that it wasn't always mavity gg
how is a reference to a scientific phenomenon a crossover?
@@dannygmtg Who knows. Something to do with a Doctor.
Bringing the Punk back in Picard is one of the greatest call backs of all time 👍🏻
Hear! Hear! I didn't even know about that until watching this vid, so: yay!
He also made an appearance in one of the Spider Man movies.
@@emsleywyatt3400, wait what? Need more details?
Um. Which episode was that? I somehow completely missed it until it was pointed out in the video.
no question.
there was also Gary Seven's Cat
@WaitTryFail
Still wish that'd been a show.
@@noneofurbusiness5223 I watched that recently and the entire episode seemed like the setup for a spinoff. Is that what it was actually planned to be?
Yes, but obviously, it wasn't picked up. I think it would've been GREAT! Would also have the added production benefit of not needing to pay for expensive sets of alien worlds or ships. @@joannesmith2484
@@joannesmith2484 yes
there was also Gary Seven's Cat - Isis.
How about the ferengui in Roswell??
Little green men
There was a short clip of that at the very beginning. No mention though.
@@darrengriffin8609 The clip was in the context of another list of Alien Encounters before First Contact. I assume planning is underway for the second video!
The Ferengui were still Ferencommandline when Roswell happened. Thinking about it, they were probably Ferenpunchcard.
I'm glad you handled this article with the mavity it deserved.
Love the Doctor reference. "Wild Blue Yonder" was a great and really creepy Dr. Who special.
I do enjoy the DW refence but I refuse to acknowledge any more "mavity" references hahah
Carbon Creek is an amazing episode of Star Trek. Strongly agree. Well written, well acted, classic.
At the end of Carbon Creek doesn't T'Pol take out her grandmother's purse she brought back from 1950's Earth? Seemed rather a sign that it was a true story.
Since Desilu put Star Trek on the air, Mestral loving Lucy makes perfect sense!
Yep. That nod to I Love Lucy was clearly intentional.
Just here to feed the visibility algorithm.
They should have brought back Mestral latter in Enterprise during the Capenter Street episode.
This is the comment I searched for. Admiral Ball on the bridge! ❤
I love her and that's the main reason.
I like how after his encounter with Spock, the punk started wearing a spiked collar.
Good catch.
He was wearing a collar even then, if you look closely enough.
@STSWB5SG1FAN ok yeah, but look at the difference in the spikes. They're bigger and there are a lot more.
Well, yes but 30+ years are supposed to have elapsed between Kirk Thatcher's characters meetings with Spock and 7/9.
I didn't notice that. That's a nice detail though. The writers knew what they were doing that day.
I can think of 3 right now. TOS Assignment: Earth, DS9 Little Green Men, TOS Requiem for Methuselah
As far as we know, Flint wasn’t an alien he was just an exceptionally long-lived human
You are right. I forgot about that point. Thanks!
City on the Edge of Forever
Gary Seven wasn't an alien, but Isis was. Also, we see Gary Seven's Job revisited in Picard, Season 2 with a Romulan.
We also see a Romulan trying to kill Khan in SNW.
Great picks.
What about the Jack the Ripper entity from Wolf in the Fold?
That was the first thing I thought of. Redjac had to be operating at least as early as the 19th century. He might have arrived earlier if the victims weren’t discovered or in remote areas that were not keeping records. He had subsequent attacks noticed in later years, leaving after a century of activity on earth.
My thought on the Vulcan who stayed behind on Earth in the episode Carbon Creek is that he was relatively young by Vulcan standards. Probably only in his 30s or 40s. He had a lot of life ahead of him and managed to live as a human until official first contact was made. When the Vulcan Embassy on Earth was established, he quietly made his way there and shared his anthropological findings.
How did he deal with Pon Farr ?
I believe that is a perfectly logical explanation.
I think we know how he handled pon farr. There were probably a few Vulcan/human hybrids on Earth after Mistral decided to stay. Unless of course he used protection!
Nobody has to know he's impotent.
DON'T SAY THAT WORD.
@@rickjohnston2667That sound irresponsible: how would such hybrid children get any medical care with their unusual (by human standards) anatomy ?
Fun fact, the first Vulcan who exits the ship in First Contact is Solkar, Sarek's grandfather and the first Vulcan ambassador to Earth.
A "tall tale told by T'pol to tease Trip Tucker" - genius lol.
But I'm sure Trip thought the word 'story' near a lie as his mother probably said many times in his life, "you better not be telling me a story (lie)"! Maybe, T'Pol should've brought her 2nd foremother's purse with her on her next meal in the Cpt.'s dining room.
Was there a connection between Menos-one of the 2 men T'Pol was after on Risa in 'The 7th'-and the Xindi and the bottles of green stuff?
Vulcans do not tease. There is no logic in a job done half thoroughly.
So why did she tell Trip-after their exploration in 'Harbinger'-that she was using him as a 'lab rat'? Lt. Saavik also used David Marcus in a similar way (in the novel-maybe she read T'Pol's journals at Starfleet). Some logic.
And probably took a few takes.
You left out and currently no one has mentioned the Crusher Family's sexy ghost!
I would like to think that Mestral lived long enough to get himself to Bozeman in 2063 and say hello.
2063.
@@DavidNash1948 right, of course.
He arrived in Bozeman in 2061, then spent two years wondering 'Where the hell are they?'
There are three Star Trek novels that mention Mestral living long enough for Earth's first contact with his people. He arrived at Bozeman to witness Cochrane shaking hands with the Vulcan Ambassador, who is the father of Sarek and grandfather of Spock. His people were able to take him home afterward.
The novels involve a lot of time travel and other aliens that arrived on Earth before the Vulcans due to them trying to finding a new home because their home planet is dying or running away from oppression. He ends up helping Kirk, Spock, Gary Seven, and Roberta Lincoln investigate some unknown alien activity in the 20th century. Due to his short time in the 23rd century, he used this knowledge to ensure Cochrane moved to Montana from New York City since New York City would be one of the first city to be destroyed at the beginning of World War III.
Edit: The first of these novels mentions the events of the Roswell episode from Deep Space Nine when Quark, Rom, and Nog ended up in 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico and also the episodes when Voyager was sent back to Earth in 1996. It is told by one of the soldiers from the Roswell episode who was interrogating Quark, Rom, and Nog in 1947, and he witnessed the news covering Voyager flight across the night sky in Los Angeles as an old man.
Also, I love that you used the word 'Mavity'. Donna Noble has a lot to answer for. 🤣
I love how Mavity has become a sorta inside joke for Doctor Who fans.
I agree that Carbon Creek is one of the most delightful episodes of Star Trek, period. I've rewatched it more than any other Enterprise episode. I love the idea of a Vulcan among us, watching our reruns on Tubi.
Agreed. Carbon Creek is the perfect comfort food.
My issue with most people's interpretation is the assumption he would die before first contact. Vulcans live a long time and Nastral as at most middle age; he would likely survive well over 100 years on earth. In my head he just walks into the vulcan embassy and is quietly taken back to vulcan (no need to freak out the emotional humans).
@@ccibinel I'm too freaked out!
@@ccibinel Depends on where he was when WW3 started.
@@danspawn85 True but tuckers doubts about what happened to him when he died wouldnt assume that. Many died but still only 5-10% of the population at most
North Star - Enterprise. People from the old West were kidnapped to be slaves on another planet. They overthrew their captors and became discriminatory towards them. Archer helped them to get along.
I thought North Star would be on the list. Maybe it will be on the next list.
My favorites were on this list. (Carbon Creek, The 37's) Maybe the less loved will be on a second. There seems to be several.
Yes, the skagarrans.
Absolutely! North Star is one of my favorite Enterprise episodes! The original "cowboys versus Aliens!" Totally Trek story!
I even wrote a sequel to North Star. Archer returns and finds the humans are on the verge of civil war, because McReady is President and wants to abolish laws that discriminate against the Skagarrans, but his former Deputy Bennings is forming a Ku Klux Klan-type political organization opposed to MacReady and his policies.
Guinan was on Earth at least a couple of centuries before first contact as well.
As was Pelia.
@@MudSluggerBP
Yep.
Nestral was likely under 100 and would likely survive well past the official first contact with the Vulcans. If he was fairly young (under 40) it is possible he would still be alive in the time of enterprise.
I'm surprised you didn't include Quark, Rom and Nog crashlanding in Roswell in 1947, or Spock's interactions with Edith Keeler in 'The City On The Edge Of Forever. Okay, the 2nd one is debatable as he never (IIRC) revealed himself as a Vulcan, but he did display his slightly less than human mannerisms.
"I am endeavouring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins."
"...who jostled the tree on the day he invented *mavity*."
I heard that, Sean!
I think Mestral's fate is a sad piece of peotic irony. His comrades saw humans as Savage and would use their relatively new Atomic weapons to destroy themselves whilst he saw the good potential in us. Perhaps, sadly, the reason no one found his body was because he lived long enough to become one of the millions of casualties of the Third World War and there was nothing left of him to examine.
Or perhaps he took a ride back to Vulcan after 2063. If he was in his 60s or 70s he would be less than 200 by that time
Given the increasing death toll of WW3 in later and later references to it I suspect he did die, but I’d like to think he survived and tried to help rebuild. That these aliens he lived with were going through the same thing Vulcans did (and in a way had their own Romulans by way of Khan’s Augment exiles) and they also simply needed to be shown a better way. Maybe he helped establish First Contact directly or indirectly by somehow helping human science along the way, knowing the Vulcans were watching and what their schedule would be.
The Vulcans giving humans Velcro in 1957 was dramatic license because IRL Velcro was patented in 1955.
Did I miss the Borg somewhere? Add this to the others mentioned in comments for a second episode of this topic.
Enjoyable, thanks, Sean and crew!
Gotta add the energy alien Ronin from "Sub Rosa."
Please God, don't bring up that clusterf*ck of a TNG episode...
🤮🤮🤮
"Carbon Creek" is easily one of my absolute favorite episodes, of "S.T. ~ Enterprise"!
I have occasionally caught myself wondering about Mestril's life, in 1950's America, after their rescue ship departed without him.
He had a good heart, and he did not seem to be overly burdened with suppressing his emotions, entirely.
I do hope that he had love, and friendship, in his life. I hope he had someone to whom he was able to confide the truth to about who, and what, he really was. Someone, who would keep his secret, and who would help him.
I really do hope that he did live for a long time, and that he prospered. 🖖🍻✌
I would also love to know what his status was, but considering that Vulcans live in average of three times the average life expectancy of a human in that decade, unfortunately even if you fell in love with someone and spent their life with them, they would die while he was still a relatively young man. He could spend the next person's life with them and the next person and maybe get old and gray and die with them the third time around. However considering that Vulcan emotions when they are not being fully suppressed or significantly stronger than humans, his grief if he was not practicing his emotional suppression may have overwhelmed him.
@@amandamatheny3675Mestral and The Doctor would have made a nice team. Or, in-universe, Mestral and Gary Seven.
Edith Keeler's encounter with Spock, Gary Seven's alien "superiors"
How did the Roswell incident turning out to be Quark and company, not make this list?!?! Even hinting it in the opening.
Everytime I hear or see something about Roswell, I laugh. It's one of my favorite Ferrengi episodes.
The American Civil War took place over 500 years
Prior to the events in ST Voyager. Riker,s Civil War ancestor would be a great great great great great
great great grandfather.
You forgot to mention: the punk in the bus was listening to the song he wrote and produced. It's in the credits of Star Trek IV: "There be whales here and transparent Aluminium where Scotty talks to a Mac IIc via the mouse."
He was a producer on the film. Which is to say that he invested some money in it.
Steve Shives does a longer in depth video on this topic. I recommend you watch it after this one since he doesn't limit himself to 10 options.
Or to Star Trek. That whore.
You forgot Gary Seven, whose ancestors were abducted by aliens around 4000 BC. Also, Spock interacted with humans in the 1930s in the classic episode, "City on the Edge of Forever."
Well, 11th contact just isn't a great movie title, now is it!?
Carbon Creek is awesome, and I think its a story that could be brought through to modern trek.
I want to know how he managed his Pon Farr, how he obtained healthcare and how generally he hid his Vulcan physiology for so long. Were there other Vulcans on Earth at that time ? If there were, how would he contact them ?
I would love to read Mistral's diary of his experiences on Earth.
And the El-Aurian's although i suppose they'll bet part of the other list :D
Fin fact about that "Punk on the Bus" - You rightly say "...a punk who would like to listen to *his* music really quite loud... " How right you are: the actor playing the punk (Kirk Thatcher, *ahem*) is actually the performer of the music playing on the boombox.
The briori taking 300 people is also an interesting number choice. It's enough people for genetic diversity for a breading population to increase to thousands millions and eventually billions of people in the future over time makes me wonder if they also wanted a slave labor worker force that could self repopulate without having to get more people and making more trips
everyone needs to visit san francisco at least once so they can see for themselves exactly how _normal_ spock would have seemed in that crowd.
it's all college kids, hippies, and homeless people. nobody would have batted an eye.
You forgot the Lanthanite engineer Pelia living in Earths past in SNW S02E03: Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow.
I wished they kept the line in "Little Green Men" when the Captain yells "Remember, you saw nothing here Lt. Roddenberry"
Is this real? 😂
@@IreneWY According to tv tropes
Hearing Sean starting to talk about Newton, I'm thinking "Will he do it? Will he?"... and Sean did not disappoint.
Really love that "tall tale to tease trip tucker" bit lol
Rather then a long babble about Data’s body parts in Times Arrow (not related to the topic). Could had mentioned the El-Aurians and gotten a two for one episode.
Then there's the Lanthanite, a long lived species who have been on earth for thousands of years. Carol Kane established the accent Lanthanite's have.
Also the Vulcans in Picard that scared the little boy who became an agent
No Scottish ghost candle lover?
I think Redjac counts as an alien if you're bringing in things that are even more powerful like the Q.
A third episode you could do would be the non-canon but licensed instances, some of which directly involve the aliens from this episode. The Mesoamerican god from the animated series, the Preserver trilogy by Shatner & the Reeves-Stevens, etc.
Methuselah was apparently on earth for many centuries.
Also, if you're counting Star Trek IV, what about Assignment: Earth and The City on the Edge of Forever? AND HOW CAN YOU FORGET THE FERENGI IN LITTLE GREEN MEN???!!!
MAVITY! Thank you for that little nod.
You forgot "Vulcan In A Suit," "Vulcan On An Air Force Base," "Half Klingon Engineer In A Basement," and "Vulcan Freakosaurus." Captain Braxton unstuck in the Nineties does not count, but Spock's journeys to 1960s Earth and Tuvok's and B'Elanna's trip to the Nineties do.
At 12:30, one of the cloaked ship’s landing feet crushed the trash can, but not the grass itself. The ground appears to get flatten, but the grass on top of it does not. That’s some bad special effects and then relying on people watching it to be distracted by the flattening of the trash can to not notice the grass not flattening. But, in the end, it was a fun film to watch.
It was a practical effect. They could rig the can to flatten, but rigging every blade of grass would be a bit much.
Actually Spock was the first Vulcan to visit Earth, by means of the Guardian of Forever n the 1930's. 🖖😊 T'Mir and crew arrived in the 1950's. Mestral would still have been on Earth when Spock returned twice in the 1960's. I wonder if some beta canon novel had them meet? Heck, given the Vulcan lifespan, Mestral could still have been around in the 1980's, and possibly even seen the official First Contact, provided he survived the war.
Kirk Randolph Thatcher was an associate producer of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, and played the part of the music-blasting Punk on Bus in that film. Thatcher actually composed the song "I Hate You" which plays on his boombox in the movie.
let's see... I mean we have Jack the Ripper, The Borg, The OTHER crash of the Volcans on Earth, Quetzalcoatl, the Skagarans, the Douwd, the Lanthanites, the Prophets, the El-Aurians, the Na'kuhl, Quark's group in Roswell, and I'm sure there are more than that. That's just the ones that with your list come to mind. Oh the Romulans, the Progenators, the Travelers, the Whales. I mean... it's sorta a growing list of which races haven't wound up on ancient earth.
That was Riker's ancient relative from American Civil War, not his grandfather
Just add a couple more grands.
I've always wondered about "The 37s"... Why would these aliens go to all the trouble of kidnapping humans for slave labor, then leave a bunch of them in stasis?
A couple more from Enterprise.... The Borg in that "The Thing" episode where they were found in the arctic. and the aliens who kidnapped the cowboys... Slagarins was it?
Before we even get started, I will say that Carbon Creek and little green men both better be on this list otherwise it is incomplete. Oh yes and I believe there was Gary 72 although I don't know too much about that one because I've only seen it once or twice ages ago. There is also the fact that Guinan was in the past in season two of Picard as well as in times arrow in the next generation. In addition to her on times arrow there was those aliens. I'll probably think of Moore as I'm watching but all of those examples must be there in order for the list to be complete and I know I'm probably missing some.
Those are all alien encounters, none are first contact.
The list is missing the Skagarans from Enterprise's Episode North Star. Wasn't Tuvok and B'Elena in LA in the 90s? and there's the Lanthanite Pelia played by Carol Kane on Strange New World, also the guardian who was looking after Renee Picard, there are way more encounters, enough for a second list I think.
That shot of Apollo’s face - was anyone else reminded of Sylvester McCoy’s Doctor Who titles?
Ah, my top 10 least favorite episodes. :-) I dislike "aliens were here a long time ago."
Though... Where is Little Green Men?? That's actually a really good episode!
1. Q & Picard traveled back to the origin of life on Earth. Not technically first contact, but first something.
2. The Voth, originally from Earth, could have made first contact with aliens millions of years before humans evolved.
Do the Saurians of Voyager S3 E23 count?
Mmm... Well, perhaps not. Technically they left Earth before there were humans. Thus, no contact.
9:42 Why would he vaporize himself? He's a Vulcan, he could live long enough to be a witness of the First Contact. 110 years is around half of Vulcan lifespan.
As it turns out, Apollo could have had everything he wanted. By establishing a federation outpost, and with suitable publicity, the hundreds of billions of beings throughout the Federation would have resulted in more people flocking to the planet upon which Apollo than the planet could actually sustain. Apollo was eventually convinced by a subspace "phone call" with his brother (half-brother, really), Hercules.
Keats was born in 1795, the last five years of the 18th century. His poems were all written in 19th century. He's a 19th century poet. Eighteenth century? Where do you do your research?
How could "North Star" from season 3 of Enterprise not be on the list? (The "Skags" that kidnapped, as Captain Archer noted- "the wrong people"!)
During the Whale crisis Mestral could have definitely bumped into Spock in 1984, it would have only been 30 years since he crashed on Earth.
What about when Quark, Rom and Nog were thrown through time and wound up in Roswell, and captured by the military but were saved by Odo who had taken the form of a dog and was a stowaway, and finally escaped back through time to Deep Space 9?
I feel like the events in VOY "one small step" kind of count too. It wasn't direct alien contact, but a 20th century astronaut saw proof of alien life.
The "Vulcans gave the velcro to the Americans who claimed to have developed it" thing is as obnoxious as the "Edison invented the lightbulb" myth. Velcro wasn't even invented in the USA.
There's also one of the Picard episodes which described a Vulcan survey party in the 1950s influencing a boy who later became a federal investigator and arrested and interrogated Picard and Guinan.
2063 is only 100 years after carbon creek. Mestral may have even returned to Vulcan before he passed. Depends how old he was in the 1950s I guess.
My thoughts exactly
@@danieloneal7137 I envision an elderly Mestral goes back to Vulcan to pass on his 100 years of research about humans. He would be the foremost authority on humanity and his research would be mandatory reading for any Vulcan being deployed to earth.
Could Mistral (spelling ?) have lived long enough to survive until First Contact? Or perhaps he died in WW3 that preceded first contact 🤔
@4:13
Is that Sharon Lawrence playing Amelia Earhardt (who played Andy Sipoweitz GF/wife)?
Mestral would most likely still be alive at the time that Vulcans officially made first contact. It's even possible he could be a elderly Vulcan at the time of Enterprise. Probably not but definitely by first contact.
I'm sorry Sean for being pedantic but Isaac Newton didn't "Invent" gravity, he discovered it 😊
"Carpenter Street" was the only episode of a TV show where I ended up sending the studio a letter. It wasn't the story, but the setting. I live in the Detroit area, and it made me so angry that the studio couldn't be bothered to research the fact that 1) there are no mountains in the Detroit area, 2) there are also no palm trees in Michigan, and 3) they couldn't open a street map of Detroit to see that certain streets did not intersect with each other. (as a side note, I actually ended up many years later living near Carpenter Street). i was such a little geek back then, but now i'm a much older and wiser geek ;)
I can't believe you left out DS9: "Little Green Men" off this list! LOL, although I did like the hint at the end, yes please do another!
I was gonna bring up Gary 7, but then I immediately remembered that he's just a human from a line transplanted from Earth millennia ago, and we have virtually no information about who started that remote branch of humanity.
I'm rewatching enterprise at the moment and I've actually just finished to watch the xindi in LA episode.
I'd bet Mestral went mining again and in saving yet more unfortunate trapped men, he ended up stuck and then squished by a collapsing mine ceiling, and nobody dared exhume his body for fear of yet another collapse, but, that's just one of the many ideas postulated as to what could have happened, could have lived all the way through to 2063 and naffed off home again on the first transport he could get before the silly humans cracked open any more tins of canned sunshine... :P
Does anyone cosplay at the cons as Whale Mindmeld Spock in tightie whities? Dry tightie whities of course. This is a family show.
The irony is that Quinn didn't have to off himself. He could have just waited awhile longer for his eventual natural death, as it is confirmed that Q's can eventually die of old age in Picard season 3. However, billions of years of existence doing literally everything would eventually get boring, so maybe he did have a point.
Carbon Creek is one of my favorite ST episodes of all time, I have no idea why but when she sells that Velcro and brings that money to the bar for the guy to go to school i start crying every time, and I'm not ashamed, but I also don't know why, It just makes me cry for some loopy reason....LOL
Imo, Picard s2 wasted an amazing opportunity not checking in on Mestral...
0:08 Considering the fact that hand touching is very intimate to a Vulcan, it's funny how this Vulcan just went along with it like - oh these aliens are wild, let's go.
It's not ADD-o-nye. It's Add-ON-iss.
He's a legend from ancient Greece.
Presumably the whale probe was an alien encounter on Earth long ago - even if not with human beings!
Good catch. (No pun intended.) 🐳
Firstly, "mavity" LOVE IT!
Secondly, why is Little Green Men not on this list!?"
Yes, the Ferengi on Earth in 1947, DS9.
I also liked carbon Creek but you can't help but wonder if any of it was true then how did T'pol great grans fellow Vulcan avoid getting caught.
What about Vulcans in City on the Bridge of Forever? Or Ferengi in Little Green Men?
"Mavity." Nice one! 😃
If you did more research you'd find out that Star Trek started after Outer Limits and there was many encounters with aliens on that so never mind