This was an excellent video Pete, I love that you measured the cap and fluid tip orifices to give us the real info without the marketing spin. I have been on the fence trying to decide if I should get a nozzle set in the 1.3cc or just get the RP 1.3. This was a huge eye opener! What a counter intuitive bit of info that the tip is smaller than the 1.2. I have the 1.2 RP and a few sizes of the HVLP on my SATA 5000B, I was wondering if there was much difference between the 1.3 RP an the 1.3 CC... I now imagine the differences must be huge. Thanks again for making this video, this is the honest and ultra informative content that is desperately lacking from elsewhere on the internet. Cheers M8!
Hi David, As soon as I got the tip set I could see the exit hole was quite small for a 1.3, so I ordered a good quality tapered hole gauge just so I knew what the size was, turns out it 0.2mm smaller than a 1.3 RP which is in fact 1.35mm. This would explain why everyone that I had talked to all said it was a slow gun. Now I have to gauge. I can check the air holes on things like the Iwatas, where they have differing diameter holes around the tip. Good to hear you liked the video, mate. I really enjoy looking at why something is different rather than just saying it is. Cheers 👍
Hi Buddy, It's definitely more than a hobby these days, I actually have a electro mechanical engineering background, so finding out why things happen is just as important as the fact they do 😂 , bit ott sometimes 😀 Thanks, buddy, it's much appreciated 🙏
Awesome video Mr Pete! I went looking for more info on this gun and immediately looked to see if you had done a video on it. I didn’t even know about the CC setup. Sata has always been notorious for their “generous” nozzle sizing lol, It’s odd that they would actually make a set smaller than the stated size🤔. Well done as always my friend, the tank looks fantastic!💪🏻👍🏻
Hi Mate, yes, normally Sata are over size but on this it's undersized by a big margin, I'm guessing that's in part how it gives a flat finish, a lot of setups perform better in the small sizes, all other things being equal of course, cheers mate 👍
great video pete 👍 ive had a demo on the CC very nice gun and ive used MM2 for the last few years i always put a splash of thinners in it never had an issue 👍👍👍
Hi Grant, Thanks, mate, I hadn't looked at the MM2 TDS but a few people were saying to me it's not recommended to add thinners, but, as you say, it's not a problem to add a little. I was fully expecting to be underwhelmed by the CC setup, but armed with lots of tips and information from our viewers I took to it straight away, and I am definitely impressed 😀, shame they cost an arm and a leg😂, cheers mate, 👍
Cracking video that pete that tank reminds me of a yamaha FSI there worth a fortune good video 📹 very well explained thanks for sharing that so the 1.2 I and the 0 its just a fan pattern 😊
Hi Andrew, Your right, it's very reminiscent of the Yamaha FS1E DX, the colour scheme started in the early 1970s on Yamaha Americas race bikes, it's now an iconic pattern, cheers mate 👍
So informative and a pleasure to watch. Your video on the lph300 you mentioned thin and flat clear coat would you say they are comparable even through the guns go about it in a very different way?
Hi Tim, to a degree, yes, although the Sata will definitely give a higher build, of course, it obviously also depends on the clear coat that's used as well , thanks mate, much appreciated 👍
Hi Pete. Amazing finish, specially love the stickers. Personally I like CC setup very much, it lays clear flat with ease. I bought it because of seeing John using it 😂
Hi Mate, it certainly does do a good job, I was really skeptical about the claims Sata made, but once you know how to adapt from the standard version, it works a treat.
I've got both the i and o satas which i got a great deal on and am considering the cc but they're so exspensive and the cap , needle and nozzle change is a great idea but still over the top price wise. Also can't wait to see your airbrush vids just bought a iwata custom micron mega dear but the best . lol
Hi Jimmy, It's silly money when you think about it, I can buy a very, very good Porphis gun for less than a Sata tip set, Sata must be laughing all the way to the bank!. A custom micron is on my shopping list, so I'll be joining you soon 😃, I'm slowly building up my airbrush collection so I will do a few reviews and comparisons when I get to where I want to be. I have absolutely no artistic talents so I am wasted on the good airbrushs, but I can tell the difference between the good and not so good, the atomisation and control given by the better brushes is quite evident even for me 😂 , cheers mate, I appreciate it 👍
Hi Pete, well what can you say about that apart from it's a beautiful flat superb glassy finish from the 1.3CC setup once you get the hang of it and change your painting style then you won't regret buying this setup👌love the colour on this tank mate and those decals look amazing plus the reflection from the black squares look like a mirror using the CC setup👏👏💪 The problem I had with it was I didn't get any help or advice about using it so it was a frustrating process getting to grips with it, you may remember me getting the dry spray on my panels but after a few uses it slowly came together then the finishes I was getting were amazing, as you said in the video if you pay the full price for it which I did you won't regret it which I don't IMO this gun puts out as good or maybe better a better finish than my WS400 Series 2 clearcoat gun🤔 Cheers Pete👍
Hi John, When you got your setup, I was really sceptical about it, as you may remember. I got information from you and 4 or 5 others about going through a similar process to you, so by the time I had found a tip set I pretty much had it all ready to go as to settings and the like. It's certainly a good finish, as you say, as good as any I can think of, not for everyone, though, as it's very slow, but it is only a 1.1 in reality so you can't expect much, Cheers buddy 👍
Yeah I remember you saying you weren't very hopeful that it would be any better than the 1.3i version which wasn't helped with all the problems I had with it but now I wouldn't be without it👌 Have you tried the CC aircap with the 1.2-1.3 tip mate I'm wondering if it would give the same finish and be a bit faster or maybe the bigger tip would be to much for the aircap design🤔🤷♂👍
@JohnWD40TC02 Hi John, no, I haven't tried that but will give it a go, I have a 1.2 set for my Kiwami4 WB which I think will be really good but haven't got round to that either, I need to up my game 😂🤣, cheers mate 👍
Yeah i feel the same about that pete. Chocking the fluid gives me less finish allso. With the thin base coats i find it better to choke the air. Especialy waterbased.. but clear is more thick. And indeed. For some reason. 1.2 tip flat out. Performs better tjen 1.3 choked..
Hi Jeffrey, I wasn't sure if it was just me, but obviously not, if you find it as well. When you think about it, there would be no point in manufacturers making so many different sizes of tip if choking it back was ideal. Cheers, mate. I appreciate it 👍
Hi Mate, Yes, I was certainly impressed with it, as you say, silly money, but if you already have a Sata X5500 RP definitely worth it if your after what it offers, cheers buddy, I appreciate it 👍
Great video Pete! I've been waiting for your review on this one far a while now. I've also wondered if winding the fluid down on a 1.3 gun would give same result as a 1.2 with full fluid 🤔🤔. My theory is if whether the air hole surrounding the fluid tip is bigger on the 1.3, Hence atomising differently that a 1.2 with a smaller air hole. But then again being a bigger hole on the 1.3 with winded down fluid should atomise better and give a better finish that a 1.2 with full fluid. So it's confusing 😊
Hi buddy, I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. The air holes around the fluid tip hole are the same size, so it's purely the centre hole in the tip that's different
Great info Pete. Its very interesting seeing what makes these guns tick. Have you ever swaped caps on the LPH400's and W400's or the wider4L and the wb/wbx's? Do the asian market gun caps interchange? I have a wbx north america version in 1.2 and Ive tried it with the LPH400 LV4 cap. Sprays clear very fine.
Hi Pete, between Sata Minijet 1.2 RP spraying at 2.5 bar and the Sata X5500 1.3 CC whici has the flattest finish ( only for spraying clear on wheels ) Nice Video Pete! Cheers !
Hi mate, The Sata CC produces a flatter finish, but generally, for wheels, I think you would be better off with the Minijet. The difference is only minimal, so the manouverablity of the smaller lighter gun outweighs any advantage imo, cheers 👍
Wonder what the prolite with T110 and the 1.1 set up would spray like for clear. Im sat on the fence at the moment. Its new clear gun time and im split between the lot. Ws series2, dv1, sata cc. Or do i take the chance on one of these porphis split tips and save some coin. Choises choices. My heart says sata my mind says iwata but i am a bit of a devilbiss fan boy lol.
Hi Buddy, I have a 1.1 tip for my Pro Lite but haven't used it yet. The idea is exactly that. Try it with the T110 cap. There's lots going on at the moment, but I will get round to it 😉
@AA_Ron155 It's definitely worth considering, I've lent mine to a mate who has many high-end guns, and it sounds like I may not be getting my Meiji back 🤣
Hi Mate, It is rather slow, isn't it 😂, I've not tried it, but if the tip clears the centre of the cap it should work, I would imagine it would end up a bit of a hybrid which might work very well, you're given me an idea now 😀
I’m used to spraying pretty fast with a 5000RP AND A Tekna Cleacoat TE20 but wanted to give this gun a try. Struggled with how slow it was at first but after winding the fan in 1/4 turn I’ve settled in with it.
Hi Jason, It certainly is a slow gun but after measuring the tip it's not difficult to see why, I've settled on full fan and full fluid at 2bar/29psi and it's working well, cheers buddy 👍
Hi Buddy, finish wise, this is up there with the best, certainly on a par with the series 2 WS and slightly better than the Sagola, it's slow though so certainly won't suit everyone and may even anoy others
Hi Pete! How is the air consumption with this cc kit? Is like they stated " 290l / minute" or is higher? Do you think it will work with a 200l tank air compressor with 320l/minute output for painting a complete side of a car?
Hi buddy, I would guess it's around 13cfm, so 365ltm. It's definitely more than the standard RP version, but not at 420ltm that the HVLP gun is. With the output you have and a full air tank, I think you would do a side of a car at 2 bar
@@peteshobbies5383 The air cap looks like a hybrid of the large HVLP holes and the smaller RP aircap holes. Do you have a small HVLP cap to compare it to? I would be curious to see the differences in all three caps: the CC, RP & HVLP. Thanks again for this video, I really want to get my hands on a 1.3 CC nozzle set now for my SATA 5000.
I don't buy this gun because i have to match original peel i can't see spending that kinda a money either.I get a flat finish with The Walcom Hte clear gun if i do a customer car on the side and that would be an all over.
Hi Buddy, if you're using the Walcom 360 HTE you would find the Sata pretty frustrating I would think. The Walcom is a fast gun and capable of great finishes , not quite as flat as the 1.3CC but not far off it and certainly more fun to use, I love mine 😀, cheers mate 👍
This was an excellent video Pete, I love that you measured the cap and fluid tip orifices to give us the real info without the marketing spin.
I have been on the fence trying to decide if I should get a nozzle set in the 1.3cc or just get the RP 1.3. This was a huge eye opener! What a counter intuitive bit of info that the tip is smaller than the 1.2. I have the 1.2 RP and a few sizes of the HVLP on my SATA 5000B, I was wondering if there was much difference between the 1.3 RP an the 1.3 CC... I now imagine the differences must be huge.
Thanks again for making this video, this is the honest and ultra informative content that is desperately lacking from elsewhere on the internet.
Cheers M8!
Hi David, As soon as I got the tip set I could see the exit hole was quite small for a 1.3, so I ordered a good quality tapered hole gauge just so I knew what the size was, turns out it 0.2mm smaller than a 1.3 RP which is in fact 1.35mm.
This would explain why everyone that I had talked to all said it was a slow gun. Now I have to gauge. I can check the air holes on things like the Iwatas, where they have differing diameter holes around the tip.
Good to hear you liked the video, mate. I really enjoy looking at why something is different rather than just saying it is. Cheers 👍
Sir are you really just a hobbiest? Are you a retired painter, you have more knowledge than some of the reps I talk to. Good show
Hi Buddy, It's definitely more than a hobby these days, I actually have a electro mechanical engineering background, so finding out why things happen is just as important as the fact they do 😂 , bit ott sometimes 😀
Thanks, buddy, it's much appreciated 🙏
Awesome video Mr Pete! I went looking for more info on this gun and immediately looked to see if you had done a video on it. I didn’t even know about the CC setup. Sata has always been notorious for their “generous” nozzle sizing lol, It’s odd that they would actually make a set smaller than the stated size🤔. Well done as always my friend, the tank looks fantastic!💪🏻👍🏻
Hi Mate, yes, normally Sata are over size but on this it's undersized by a big margin, I'm guessing that's in part how it gives a flat finish, a lot of setups perform better in the small sizes, all other things being equal of course, cheers mate 👍
Hi Pete, love the channel and thanks for sharing all your knowledge.....cheers from Australia
Hi Mate, Good to hear you're enjoying the videos. Thanks for watching 👍
great video pete 👍 ive had a demo on the CC very nice gun and ive used MM2 for the last few years i always put a splash of thinners in it never had an issue 👍👍👍
Hi Grant, Thanks, mate, I hadn't looked at the MM2 TDS but a few people were saying to me it's not recommended to add thinners, but, as you say, it's not a problem to add a little.
I was fully expecting to be underwhelmed by the CC setup, but armed with lots of tips and information from our viewers I took to it straight away, and I am definitely impressed 😀, shame they cost an arm and a leg😂, cheers mate, 👍
Cracking video that pete that tank reminds me of a yamaha FSI there worth a fortune good video 📹 very well explained thanks for sharing that so the 1.2 I and the 0 its just a fan pattern 😊
Hi Andrew, Your right, it's very reminiscent of the Yamaha FS1E DX, the colour scheme started in the early 1970s on Yamaha Americas race bikes, it's now an iconic pattern, cheers mate 👍
So informative and a pleasure to watch.
Your video on the lph300 you mentioned thin and flat clear coat would you say they are comparable even through the guns go about it in a very different way?
Hi Tim, to a degree, yes, although the Sata will definitely give a higher build, of course, it obviously also depends on the clear coat that's used as well , thanks mate, much appreciated 👍
Hi Pete. Amazing finish, specially love the stickers. Personally I like CC setup very much, it lays clear flat with ease. I bought it because of seeing John using it 😂
Hi Buddy, Yeah, I think it's now one of his favourites along with the WS400 Series 2 , cheers mate 👍
Yeah both guns are my goto for a flat finish Pete, problem is I can't decide which one is the best🤔😂 I'm pleased you like the CC setup Rikats👌👍
Hello Pete , hope all is well . Damn that looks like glass, I'm very impressed
Hi Mate, it certainly does do a good job, I was really skeptical about the claims Sata made, but once you know how to adapt from the standard version, it works a treat.
I've got both the i and o satas which i got a great deal on and am considering the cc but they're so exspensive and the cap , needle and nozzle change is a great idea but still over the top price wise. Also can't wait to see your airbrush vids just bought a iwata custom micron mega dear but the best . lol
Hi Jimmy, It's silly money when you think about it, I can buy a very, very good Porphis gun for less than a Sata tip set, Sata must be laughing all the way to the bank!.
A custom micron is on my shopping list, so I'll be joining you soon 😃, I'm slowly building up my airbrush collection so I will do a few reviews and comparisons when I get to where I want to be.
I have absolutely no artistic talents so I am wasted on the good airbrushs, but I can tell the difference between the good and not so good, the atomisation and control given by the better brushes is quite evident even for me 😂 , cheers mate, I appreciate it 👍
It's such a great spray gun for smaller parts. Not as susceptible to runs
I have been hearing how it works well on thinner clears, now it makes much more sense knowing it is really a 1.1 nozzle.
Hi Pete, well what can you say about that apart from it's a beautiful flat superb glassy finish from the 1.3CC setup once you get the hang of it and change your painting style then you won't regret buying this setup👌love the colour on this tank mate and those decals look amazing plus the reflection from the black squares look like a mirror using the CC setup👏👏💪
The problem I had with it was I didn't get any help or advice about using it so it was a frustrating process getting to grips with it, you may remember me getting the dry spray on my panels but after a few uses it slowly came together then the finishes I was getting were amazing, as you said in the video if you pay the full price for it which I did you won't regret it which I don't
IMO this gun puts out as good or maybe better a better finish than my WS400 Series 2 clearcoat gun🤔
Cheers Pete👍
Hi John, When you got your setup, I was really sceptical about it, as you may remember.
I got information from you and 4 or 5 others about going through a similar process to you, so by the time I had found a tip set I pretty much had it all ready to go as to settings and the like.
It's certainly a good finish, as you say, as good as any I can think of, not for everyone, though, as it's very slow, but it is only a 1.1 in reality so you can't expect much,
Cheers buddy 👍
Yeah I remember you saying you weren't very hopeful that it would be any better than the 1.3i version which wasn't helped with all the problems I had with it but now I wouldn't be without it👌
Have you tried the CC aircap with the 1.2-1.3 tip mate I'm wondering if it would give the same finish and be a bit faster or maybe the bigger tip would be to much for the aircap design🤔🤷♂👍
@JohnWD40TC02 Hi John, no, I haven't tried that but will give it a go, I have a 1.2 set for my Kiwami4 WB which I think will be really good but haven't got round to that either, I need to up my game 😂🤣, cheers mate 👍
Yeah i feel the same about that pete. Chocking the fluid gives me less finish allso. With the thin base coats i find it better to choke the air. Especialy waterbased.. but clear is more thick. And indeed. For some reason. 1.2 tip flat out. Performs better tjen 1.3 choked..
Hi Jeffrey, I wasn't sure if it was just me, but obviously not, if you find it as well.
When you think about it, there would be no point in manufacturers making so many different sizes of tip if choking it back was ideal.
Cheers, mate. I appreciate it 👍
cracking finish with the cc pete but a bit pricey but looks a good gun
Hi Mate, Yes, I was certainly impressed with it, as you say, silly money, but if you already have a Sata X5500 RP definitely worth it if your after what it offers, cheers buddy, I appreciate it 👍
Good job mate from Kiwi.....
Thanks mate, Appreciate it as always 👍
Great video Pete! I've been waiting for your review on this one far a while now. I've also wondered if winding the fluid down on a 1.3 gun would give same result as a 1.2 with full fluid 🤔🤔. My theory is if whether the air hole surrounding the fluid tip is bigger on the 1.3, Hence atomising differently that a 1.2 with a smaller air hole. But then again being a bigger hole on the 1.3 with winded down fluid should atomise better and give a better finish that a 1.2 with full fluid. So it's confusing 😊
Hi buddy, I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. The air holes around the fluid tip hole are the same size, so it's purely the centre hole in the tip that's different
Great info Pete. Its very interesting seeing what makes these guns tick. Have you ever swaped caps on the LPH400's and W400's or the wider4L and the wb/wbx's? Do the asian market gun caps interchange? I have a wbx north america version in 1.2 and Ive tried it with the LPH400 LV4 cap. Sprays clear very fine.
Hi Mate, As long as it's a split tip cap from a W400 or LPH400, they will interchange, same with the tips, be it 3 split or 4 split
Ι think Sata makes this setup to be close to devilbiss T110...Thank you for the video!
Hi buddy, yes, it's a similar idea, I need to try the T110 with a 1.1 tip to see how it is
@@peteshobbies5383 I think 1,1 maybe is extremely slow.... I have paint a lot off cars with 110 1.2 but for me the best set up for t110 is 1,3....
@vasiliskaradimos Yes, it certainly will be slower, but I think it may give a slightly flatter finish. The Sata CC is also very slow
Great video ....Is this Sata CC better than Sagola DVR Clear ?
Hi buddy, it's completely different. The Sagola is a very good gun but much much faster, so it's not really comparable
Hi Pete, between Sata Minijet 1.2 RP spraying at 2.5 bar and the Sata X5500 1.3 CC whici has the flattest finish ( only for spraying clear on wheels ) Nice Video Pete!
Cheers !
Hi mate, The Sata CC produces a flatter finish, but generally, for wheels, I think you would be better off with the Minijet. The difference is only minimal, so the manouverablity of the smaller lighter gun outweighs any advantage imo, cheers 👍
Thanks for the advice ! Cheers !
@ianex9639 You're welcome 😊
Me gustaría que lo tradujran en español ya que lo sigo
Hi buddy, does not TH-cam offer subtitles in Spanish?,
Wonder what the prolite with T110 and the 1.1 set up would spray like for clear. Im sat on the fence at the moment. Its new clear gun time and im split between the lot. Ws series2, dv1, sata cc. Or do i take the chance on one of these porphis split tips and save some coin. Choises choices. My heart says sata my mind says iwata but i am a bit of a devilbiss fan boy lol.
Look into the Meiji finer core they are very good and about $350 us.
Hi Buddy, I have a 1.1 tip for my Pro Lite but haven't used it yet. The idea is exactly that. Try it with the T110 cap. There's lots going on at the moment, but I will get round to it 😉
@AA_Ron155 It's definitely worth considering, I've lent mine to a mate who has many high-end guns, and it sounds like I may not be getting my Meiji back 🤣
@@peteshobbies5383Hello Pete, This is turning out to be quite interesting. Would it be worth trialling the 1.1 tip with the T110?? 🤔🤔 Cheers, Steve
@peteshobbies5383 well I'm not shelling out just yet so hopefully I'll get to see the results before I buy anything. 😅.
Здравствуйте. Я купил sata 5000 rp,и мне она попалась в комплекте 1.3сс.Я таких не встречал. Может сможете мне подсказать информацию о ней.Спасибо.
Hi Buddy, here's a link that may help,
www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/product/satajet-x-5500-rp-1-3-cc-nozzle-set-1174606/
Thought i was going insane that my sata cc was slow as a turd. Can you use the standard 1.3 I nozzle and needle with the cc 1.3 air cap?
Hi Mate, It is rather slow, isn't it 😂, I've not tried it, but if the tip clears the centre of the cap it should work, I would imagine it would end up a bit of a hybrid which might work very well, you're given me an idea now 😀
I’m used to spraying pretty fast with a 5000RP AND A Tekna Cleacoat TE20 but wanted to give this gun a try. Struggled with how slow it was at first but after winding the fan in 1/4 turn I’ve settled in with it.
Hi Jason, It certainly is a slow gun but after measuring the tip it's not difficult to see why, I've settled on full fan and full fluid at 2bar/29psi and it's working well, cheers buddy 👍
Hi Pete, how does this Satajet X5500 1.3CC perform comparing to Sagola 4600 Extreme with Titania Pro Cap and WS400 series 2 in your opinion?
Hi Buddy, finish wise, this is up there with the best, certainly on a par with the series 2 WS and slightly better than the Sagola, it's slow though so certainly won't suit everyone and may even anoy others
@@peteshobbies5383 really glad to have your opinion. Always appreciate your efforts to review all these spray guns! ☺️ Cheers!
@benjaminchu6699 Thank you buddy, much appreciated 👍
Hi Pete! How is the air consumption with this cc kit? Is like they stated " 290l / minute" or is higher? Do you think it will work with a 200l tank air compressor with 320l/minute output for painting a complete side of a car?
Hi buddy, I would guess it's around 13cfm, so 365ltm. It's definitely more than the standard RP version, but not at 420ltm that the HVLP gun is.
With the output you have and a full air tank, I think you would do a side of a car at 2 bar
I had the 1.1 I and it is very similar to the 1.3 cc. Maybe a touch slower than the cc
Hi Jeremy, That makes perfect sense as the air holes are bigger in the CC cap, so it probably draws the material through a little quicker
@@peteshobbies5383 The air cap looks like a hybrid of the large HVLP holes and the smaller RP aircap holes. Do you have a small HVLP cap to compare it to? I would be curious to see the differences in all three caps: the CC, RP & HVLP.
Thanks again for this video, I really want to get my hands on a 1.3 CC nozzle set now for my SATA 5000.
@davidparker9676 The holes aren't as large as HVLP, but you're right. It's a bit of a cross between the two, I'll have a closer look soon 👍
I don't buy this gun because i have to match original peel i can't see spending that kinda a money either.I get a flat finish with The Walcom Hte clear gun if i do a customer car on the side and that would be an all over.
Hi Buddy, if you're using the Walcom 360 HTE you would find the Sata pretty frustrating I would think.
The Walcom is a fast gun and capable of great finishes , not quite as flat as the 1.3CC but not far off it and certainly more fun to use, I love mine 😀, cheers mate 👍
💖🇵🇭💪🇵🇭💖
Thanks buddy, hope alls well with you 👍
If you want to sell the cc setup let me know 👍
Hi Joe, Will keep it in mind mate, can't see me waiting to part with it, but you never know. Cheers, mate 👍