Nicely done! Very good, friendly down-to-earth comments on C vs NC brake cleaner (I think it covers other brands too). Much appreciated, much obliged sir.
for regular use the nonchloronated works fine, but I you have a tough job chlorinated is the way to go. just don't expose it to high heat or uv light. they both evaporate pretty quick so getting a little on you skin wont hurt you unless you are doing it regularly.
The chlorinated version is basically straight tetrachloroethylene, the stuff used in dry cleaning. It is a category I (strongest) carcinogen… Non-chlorinated version is acetone and toluene, not delicious but not nearly as nasty.😢
lol "category 1 carcinogen". doesnt that just relate to evidence level and not toxicity/mutagenicity? you realize both acetone and toluene are themselves carcinogenic.... except they vaporize way faster and quicker so you breath them in more while youre required to use way more for a longer period of time to get the same effect. the reason the OG stuff is getting banned is for one reason only: alleged ozone depletion. first it was CFC's, and now theyre trying to move on to just regular chlorinated carbon compounds. forget the exact numbers but i believe CFC's destroyed ~1500 ozone per particle, and regular haloalkane/alkene's destroy ~200 per particle. so miniscule and they have a much shorter half-life, especially tetrachloroethylene because of its double bond absorbs a bunch of light energy and probably breaks down before it ever diffuses to a high enough altitude to catalyze ozone depletion. the truth is that despite all the horrible things to the environment humans are doing, the ozone layer has shown "category I (strongest)" evidence that it is regenerating... likely because phasing out CFC's was good enough, and we are to the point where out of green hysteria we are substituting worse solvents now than the ones we got out of "an abundance of caution".... but actually the reason is that most environmental policy tends to shift small manageable societal costs onto individuals in a devastating way. whats the difference between carb cleaner now days and nonchlorniated break cleaner? lol. from MSDS info all i can surmise is that some break cleaner brands use ~5-10% acetone or methanol/some other polar solvent... the irony is that theyre basically the same, if not 1-2% different in function. the lung issues mentioned in this video are not due to tetra chloro ethylene as it is not known to be toxic to the lungs on its own, but rather the inappropriate heating and decomposition of tetra chloro ethylene into phosgene gas. i call this user error, maybe thats a bit calloused but as someone who has been right next to a phosgene gas source i can say you have to be really not smart to stay around it or do that again. most lung damage from this will also fall under "interstitial lung disease" which is usually super vague and impossible to track back to one single cause.
Non chlorinated gives me a raging headache and most brands attract a lot of moisture. Chlorinated doesn’t give me a headache, cleans WAY better, no moisture problems, but it comes out fast and doesn’t last nearly as long. Crc is my go to brand from stores. Amsoil makes an excellent chlorinated break clean as well.
Chlorinate version is basically tetrachloroethylene, the stuff used in dry cleaning. It is a category I (strongest) carcinogen… Non-chlorinated version is acetone and toluene, not delicious but not so nasty.😢
I noticed the chlorinated can's spray pattern is way focused into a single spot and the other one is more of a wider spray so this test doesn't prove anything for me since it is faulty to begin with.
Great tests! GREAT warning info there too! One test I would have loved to see is the effect on a car's paint job should some spray hit the paint. I've not tested brake cleaner, but when our garage door (steel) gets tagged, I use throttle body cleaner. I spray a bit on, wait literally 10 seconds and then wipe clean. It just melts the paint right off.
What I am worried about is the effects of paint removal from certain parts maybe you could test the difference between the two and see which one removes paint better or worse than the other one
well I used to work in a factory that made wheels for a auto manufacturer, and we regularly used non chlorinated brake cleaner to clean the wheels after they were painted and clear coated. I can say with certainty that it is safe to use on painted surfaces so long as the clear coat is in good shape. it will ruin unprotected paint.
@@mynameis890 depends on the year, paints have changed a lot over the last few decades. i think both are horrible for paint from a chemists perspective but my gut tells me the polarity and vapor pressure of nonchlorinated (basically carb cleaner=tolulene and either 5% methanol or acetone) would be worse on modern paints.
Its only in the last few years that they banned the chlorinated Brakleen in Cali. I remember when they still had it on the shelves. I still have some on my shelf in the garage since I don't work on the brakes often. But obviously now I'm going to be buying the low voc compliant one, and just use more of it to get the same effects, last thing I want is to get any long term side effects like Lung problems or cancer from chemicals like brake cleaner. No brake job is worth taking years off your life for.
Just remember they both hurt like hell when you get it in your eye. Done that to myself 3 times now. You will be thinking man I should really put some safety glasses on and then BAM! it will get you.
Hi jeep solid ,are you doing any videos on changing the power steering hose ( either the one that brings oil to the pump or the return hose ) . I think my return hose is leaky . The return one looks easy . They talk about doing a flush whats that ?? jeep 1991 yj
After numerous years of using brakleen, then others came out 3M works really good ha strong oder a potent product My NAPA is no longer carrying 3M. Once out of red brakleen bought the green can. Green had less oder though used more product. Found Macs the non verses chronated non dried instantly. Works well doesn't take as much product . How about .... 3M Vs Brakleen Vs Macs You will find difference if not try them draw your own conclusions.
The label on the cans indicates that the non-chlorinated can contains a net weight of 14 oz of cleaner, and the chlorinated contains 19 oz. You're confusing fluid ounces for weight ounces. If it were referring to volume it would read "fl. oz.".
I'll take the Burny one over the chemical weapon. I worked in a place that used the chlorinated one due to fire hazard of non chlorinated. It gassed me more then once when it hit something hot. It's like fucking tear gas!
Hey, i have two rear disk brakes(rotors) that accumulated a lot of rust in 2 weeks (for not driving it). Can i use a brake cleaner to remove all the rust completely? is it possible and safe to do so?
Honestly I weld using both and the chlorinated smells terrible under heat, so we dont use that, I dont know if it's because it takes a long time to evaporate or because of residue it leave behind (we actually cant see through a braided hose because it goes into the braid) or because it hasn't fully dried
Wow. Honestly you are dumb. The chlorinated brake cleaner smells bad when welding as you expose yourself to the lethal phosgene gas! If you have health problems it's because you intentionally disregarded the manufacturer's advice to not use chlorinated brake cleaner for welding. You are making a chemical warfare agent. If you start smelling the musty hay odor that is the by product of the production of the odorless phosgene gas.
So the chlorinated does a better job. I would rather spray less than to use more getting the same job done because requardless with the fumes that come off of both cany be good for the environment. So more fumes or less fumes. Chlorinated is my choice, as long as you dont let it run all over the ground and shit
chlorinated is hard on the environment? Are you buying / purchasing 100's of can's a month and spraying them on the ground? I doubt that very much. So by spraying some on say a brake job, to clean off brake dust etc. is hard on the environment? Give me a brake. (Pun intended) It is your preference if you don't want to breathe that stuff. I'm wondering if this clown knows about chemical mask's say like what is used to spray paint.
I wanted to test products that are safe to use on brake parts, not general degreasers. When doing a brake job, you can get grease where it shouldn't be.
You don't use brake cleaner on brake fluid. Brake fluid is water soluble and will rinse off with just a water. Brake clean is used to remove any grease and grim from handling parts and to remove the film that is put on machined parts to keep them from rusting while sitting on the shelves.
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Nicely done! Very good, friendly down-to-earth comments on C vs NC brake cleaner (I think it covers other brands too).
Much appreciated, much obliged sir.
Good to know. Always wondered about the difference. Great Vid
Yeah, was interesting researching about ww1 and chlorine gas.
Just by the chlorinated one its been around forever and works great.
Good Job Buddy! I think the Chlorinated is the way to go. For me, I’ll choose the Chlorinated over the Non-Chlorinated. Thank you Buddy
for regular use the nonchloronated works fine, but I you have a tough job chlorinated is the way to go. just don't expose it to high heat or uv light. they both evaporate pretty quick so getting a little on you skin wont hurt you unless you are doing it regularly.
+my name is Most of mine is non Cl. I think I have 1 can of chlorinated, but hardly use it.
Exactly what I wanted to know and the pros & cons. Thanks
Great video! Super helpful. Non-chlorinated it is!
Haha, I like the bloopers part more.. lol kidding aside, can you use brake cleaners with your tires/wheels on?
The chlorinated version is basically straight tetrachloroethylene, the stuff used in dry cleaning. It is a category I (strongest) carcinogen… Non-chlorinated version is acetone and toluene, not delicious but not nearly as nasty.😢
lol "category 1 carcinogen". doesnt that just relate to evidence level and not toxicity/mutagenicity? you realize both acetone and toluene are themselves carcinogenic.... except they vaporize way faster and quicker so you breath them in more while youre required to use way more for a longer period of time to get the same effect. the reason the OG stuff is getting banned is for one reason only: alleged ozone depletion. first it was CFC's, and now theyre trying to move on to just regular chlorinated carbon compounds. forget the exact numbers but i believe CFC's destroyed ~1500 ozone per particle, and regular haloalkane/alkene's destroy ~200 per particle. so miniscule and they have a much shorter half-life, especially tetrachloroethylene because of its double bond absorbs a bunch of light energy and probably breaks down before it ever diffuses to a high enough altitude to catalyze ozone depletion. the truth is that despite all the horrible things to the environment humans are doing, the ozone layer has shown "category I (strongest)" evidence that it is regenerating... likely because phasing out CFC's was good enough, and we are to the point where out of green hysteria we are substituting worse solvents now than the ones we got out of "an abundance of caution".... but actually the reason is that most environmental policy tends to shift small manageable societal costs onto individuals in a devastating way.
whats the difference between carb cleaner now days and nonchlorniated break cleaner? lol.
from MSDS info all i can surmise is that some break cleaner brands use ~5-10% acetone or methanol/some other polar solvent... the irony is that theyre basically the same, if not 1-2% different in function.
the lung issues mentioned in this video are not due to tetra chloro ethylene as it is not known to be toxic to the lungs on its own, but rather the inappropriate heating and decomposition of tetra chloro ethylene into phosgene gas. i call this user error, maybe thats a bit calloused but as someone who has been right next to a phosgene gas source i can say you have to be really not smart to stay around it or do that again. most lung damage from this will also fall under "interstitial lung disease" which is usually super vague and impossible to track back to one single cause.
Non chlorinated gives me a raging headache and most brands attract a lot of moisture. Chlorinated doesn’t give me a headache, cleans WAY better, no moisture problems, but it comes out fast and doesn’t last nearly as long. Crc is my go to brand from stores. Amsoil makes an excellent chlorinated break clean as well.
Are you addicted ?
Chlorinate version is basically tetrachloroethylene, the stuff used in dry cleaning. It is a category I (strongest) carcinogen… Non-chlorinated version is acetone and toluene, not delicious but not so nasty.😢
Can i use brake cleaner to clean spark plugs ?
I noticed the chlorinated can's spray pattern is way focused into a single spot and the other one is more of a wider spray so this test doesn't prove anything for me since it is faulty to begin with.
Great tests! GREAT warning info there too!
One test I would have loved to see is the effect on a car's paint job should some spray hit the paint.
I've not tested brake cleaner, but when our garage door (steel) gets tagged, I use throttle body cleaner. I spray a bit on, wait literally 10 seconds and then wipe clean.
It just melts the paint right off.
Chlorinated brake kleen is a very dense fluid, and has more inertia for knocking away grease
What I am worried about is the effects of paint removal from certain parts maybe you could test the difference between the two and see which one removes paint better or worse than the other one
well I used to work in a factory that made wheels for a auto manufacturer, and we regularly used non chlorinated brake cleaner to clean the wheels after they were painted and clear coated. I can say with certainty that it is safe to use on painted surfaces so long as the clear coat is in good shape. it will ruin unprotected paint.
@@mynameis890 depends on the year, paints have changed a lot over the last few decades. i think both are horrible for paint from a chemists perspective but my gut tells me the polarity and vapor pressure of nonchlorinated (basically carb cleaner=tolulene and either 5% methanol or acetone) would be worse on modern paints.
Liked it when you spray those into the glass.. it's very clear. LOL
Yeah. Some complain one will leave a residue..
If it gets into your used oil, as it commonly does, you may have created hazardous waste used oil. Very expensive to dispose of.
What's not banned in California?
Easy choice for me. If it's been banned in California, that must be the stuff that works best !
Its only in the last few years that they banned the chlorinated Brakleen in Cali.
I remember when they still had it on the shelves. I still have some on my shelf in the garage since I don't work on the brakes often.
But obviously now I'm going to be buying the low voc compliant one, and just use more of it to get the same effects, last thing I want is to get any long term side effects like Lung problems or cancer from chemicals like brake cleaner.
No brake job is worth taking years off your life for.
Got some at lowes and the price made up my mind, $19.00 chlorinated $2.98 non chlorinated. CRC brand for both.
Holy shit yep non it is lol
They are about the same price at Wal-Mart
@@Hubjeep maybe it depends on the local store. Walmart here is $5.88. , Lowes $2.98.
@@aircommuter Thanks! I'll have to check out Lowes!
Good Video. Lots of stuff to think about.
Yeah, I found it interesting
Just remember they both hurt like hell when you get it in your eye. Done that to myself 3 times now. You will be thinking man I should really put some safety glasses on and then BAM! it will get you.
Yep I was cleaning a carburetor for the first time and I sprayed into one of the channels only for it to go strait I to my eye
You can't fix stupid! lol
Use the chlorine one to kill bees nest works great
Makes a guy wonder if the non chlorinated brake cleaner works alright for cleaning brand new flywheel installations
Hi jeep solid ,are you doing any videos on changing the power steering hose ( either the one that brings oil to the pump or the return hose ) . I think my return hose is leaky . The return one looks easy . They talk about doing a flush whats that ?? jeep 1991 yj
I hope to be doing a power steering series on my new project YJ, but sorry, don't have a video at this time.
Awesome video brother.
+Maximus Orion Thanks man!
After numerous years of using brakleen, then others came out
3M works really good ha strong oder a potent product
My NAPA is no longer carrying 3M.
Once out of red brakleen bought the green can.
Green had less oder though used more product.
Found Macs the non verses chronated non dried instantly. Works well doesn't take as much product .
How about ....
3M
Vs
Brakleen
Vs
Macs
You will find difference if not try them draw your own conclusions.
Can you elaborate on weight? I mean if you have 2-16oz cans seems to me the weight is the same
16 fluid oz I believe is what the can is. Which is volume and not weight.
The label on the cans indicates that the non-chlorinated can contains a net weight of 14 oz of cleaner, and the chlorinated contains 19 oz. You're confusing fluid ounces for weight ounces. If it were referring to volume it would read "fl. oz.".
Non chlorinated is garbage. When I go out of CA I bring a case back of chlorinated.
Nice job...
You sound like Project Farm, are you related ? 😂
I'll take the Burny one over the chemical weapon. I worked in a place that used the chlorinated one due to fire hazard of non chlorinated. It gassed me more then once when it hit something hot. It's like fucking tear gas!
Yeah, me too. I'm just careful about flames around the non chlorinated. I'd rather deal with that than have to worry about gassing myself. Ha!
In EU I can only find non chlorinated
Hey, i have two rear disk brakes(rotors) that accumulated a lot of rust in 2 weeks (for not driving it).
Can i use a brake cleaner to remove all the rust completely? is it possible and safe to do so?
You can hit it with some break cleaner if you want, but won’t remove the rust completely. Driving the vehicle and using the brakes will do the job
If you're a guy who love to spray brake cleaners on everything, get non-chlorinated. The chlorinated brake cleaner is harmful to plastic part.
Honestly I weld using both and the chlorinated smells terrible under heat, so we dont use that, I dont know if it's because it takes a long time to evaporate or because of residue it leave behind (we actually cant see through a braided hose because it goes into the braid) or because it hasn't fully dried
Wow. Honestly you are dumb. The chlorinated brake cleaner smells bad when welding as you expose yourself to the lethal phosgene gas! If you have health problems it's because you intentionally disregarded the manufacturer's advice to not use chlorinated brake cleaner for welding. You are making a chemical warfare agent. If you start smelling the musty hay odor that is the by product of the production of the odorless phosgene gas.
Jesus thanks for telling me about the chlorinated kind, scary stuff.
Chlorinated all day.
So the chlorinated does a better job. I would rather spray less than to use more getting the same job done because requardless with the fumes that come off of both cany be good for the environment. So more fumes or less fumes. Chlorinated is my choice, as long as you dont let it run all over the ground and shit
It was called Mustard Gas.
Even common sense is banned in California!
Great info. Sub'd even though I have a Land Rover. lol Cheers mate!
Cool! Thanks for the sub. I also cover general off roading maintenance and tips, so I hope you find it helpful.
Also! Use proper gloves then using.. and please don't inhale.
Great video, but the music sucks!!!
chlorinated is hard on the environment? Are you buying / purchasing 100's of can's a month and spraying them on the ground? I doubt that very much. So by spraying some on say a brake job, to clean off brake dust etc. is hard on the environment? Give me a brake. (Pun intended) It is your preference if you don't want to breathe that stuff. I'm wondering if this clown knows about chemical mask's say like what is used to spray paint.
of course its banned in CA.
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Are you shitting me that was a white board those are made so nothing sticks to them. They replaced chalk boards
Test the products on their ability to remove brake fluid, not grease! That's what they're designed for. There are better products for removing grease.
I wanted to test products that are safe to use on brake parts, not general degreasers. When doing a brake job, you can get grease where it shouldn't be.
You don't use brake cleaner on brake fluid. Brake fluid is water soluble and will rinse off with just a water. Brake clean is used to remove any grease and grim from handling parts and to remove the film that is put on machined parts to keep them from rusting while sitting on the shelves.