Spain's Secret African Cities: A Migrant Crisis on the 'European' Border - TLDR News
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- Ceuta & Melilla are two Spanish cities on the coast of Morocco. These two enclaves in mainland Africa are an interesting historical anomaly, but they're also proving difficult today with Spain facing border issues with neighbouring Morocco. So in this video we're going to explain some of the historical and modern conflict surrounding Ceuta, Melilla and Spain's relationship with Africa.
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Secret cities? Calling Ceuta and Melilla secret is like calling Gibraltar secret...
@@helios4650 secret means hidden. So unknown would be better.
Ssssssttt... Don't tell people about the Gibraltar secret.
British-centric media. This kind of title was to be expected.
@@helios4650 wrong. secret and unknown to brits are 2 different things.
I hadn't heard of them until today.
Mauritiana, Melila 💀
What’s next? Spian? Morcoco?
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Yes
sahari, the opposite of sahara
@@warphkarem4781 Well, no, that one's not an error, "Sahari" roughly means "of the Sahara", so it's correct.
Alregia and Potrugal
Had a debate about this in uni few months ago. Although we lost one of the points that i raised was about the possibility of morocco using refugee as a threat to get what they want just as turkey has done so with syrian refugee. I'm almost sad to have been proven right about such circumstances actually arising. Guess something are predictable and depressing at the same time.
Depressing from how weak Europe has become yes, Morocco shouldn’t even have the power or possibility to threaten a European nation with migration. It’s pathetic, we need strong and intolerant borders all over South Europe
The only cards Morocco can play against spain are immigration and fight against terrorism. It's indeed unfortunate but if Spain wants us to continue helping it against those issues, they at least have to respect our borders and not illegaly heal a separatist war criminal who came with a fake passeport and who should be in the spanish court. It was a huge disrespectful move
@@FriedrichBarb it's not a threat, it's a response
@@yassine9826 Providing medical aid is an international obligation regardless of the person, thats why he was attended for covid and then sent to spanish court. If a war criminal from another place had asked for it they would have done the same.
@@yassine9826 A threatening response yes, as if playing fire with fire will lead to anything good.
I'm convinced he's just pronouncing these place names wrong on purpose
right? Let's hope that's it.
naah he's a Brit. English speakers botch everything that's foreign and hasn't been imposed on them by the Normans. And they don't learn much of foreign languages, which leads to "ignorant and proud" mentality being often the case.
@@nikoladd yikes you're out for blood today aren't you
Brits pronounching "Paella" is hilarious. It is the most culturally lazy thing I have ever witnessed.
Brit: "Mmm. this Pie Ella is good"
Me: "You mean Paella (pi-ey-ya)?"
Brit: "No, it's pie ella"
Brit 2: "Yeah you dummy".
@@nikoladd Brits are ignorant Because they can't pronounce words and names from languages they don't speak.. top quality logic right there 😂 bring a bunch of non English speakers to Leicestershire or Frome and then come back to me. 😂
Isn’t this what Turkey tried to do to Greece and Bulgaria?
It does sound awfully familiar.
Yes but Morocco is just claiming its rights and demanding to be respected, nothing more nothing less
Precisely! And it’s time for some sanctions mechanism in such cases of extortion.
@@yassine9826 Morocco is playing with fire at a unwise moment. At the moment, I can imagine that continuing such actions would lead to a very rapid sanctions + revolution scenario.
@mariandona fellaindinho If Morocco couldn't sell the phosphate, they would be poorer, wich the Moroccan king doesn't want. Also, there are enough reserves of phosphate all around the world to survive without Morocco. The world wouldn't die without Morocco.
2:07 "Without turning this video into a history lesson..."
Why not do a separate video on it? Western Sahara is fascinating.
Yeah! Not many know about it, even tough it's quite interesting.
Yes it’s the trigger of this crisis. The shameful attitude of the Spanish gouverneront towards its partner. Morocco is not the Gendarme of Spain. If you treat your partner badly, don’t expect anything from him.
Spain always used the Sahara topic to blackmail Morocco. But Morocco of today is not Morocco of yesterday. The country is now accelerating with a strong economic growth and very important military capacities. Spain knows it, still they tried a stupid move with welcoming a war criminal and the official enemy of its partner.
@@freewal the shamefull attitude of the spanish?? They let him in for medical reasons. Because morrocco sees him as a warcriminal does not mean others do. You know what shamefull is? Blackmailing spain and the eu by using humanlives.
@@warking0503 he comitted crimes in spain
@@yassine9826 Warcrimes?
Lmfao “Morocco’s human rights minister” … This has gotta be a joke…
how bad us the Human rights situation in Morocco?
@@RoScFan Not good. On the human rights index, it sits at about 80th least free country out of 179 countries and a handful of disputed territories. The situation has been solidly declining for the past 4 years and there's no immediate reason for that to change. That said, almost half of the world's countries are even worse off. It's not North Korea or Syria by a long shot.
@@RoScFan it is a dictatorship, nuff said.
@@RoScFan There is little to no free speech and publishing articles that go against the king in any way, even if it is the mildest of criticism, will get you in jail…
The King is highly corrupt and instead of using the money to pull his severely impoverished and uneducated people up, he stuffs his own pockets… Not exactly world class leadership right there
Morocco is one of the most corrupt places you can go and is the tumour that pumps millions of tons of hashish and other brain destroying drugs to Europe every year
"Maurishiana". OK then.
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Don't mind him, he seems ignorant.
innit, i dont get how he covers different politico-economic issues pretty accurately, but fails to pronounce names :/
@@inakigomezvalencia5063 oh, believe me, nothing he says is accurate.
For real. Like, I generally love his videos but the video editing can be really rough at times and his pronunciation can be wacky. But maybe that's because he's British?
I don't know how true it is, but I've read that most of those "migrants" are Moroccan citizens who where lured to cross the border under the premise that a famous football player was visiting the city. It is also something worth to know that Melilla has around 85k inhabitants. A sudden influx of 8000 migrants is something difficult to manage by such a small city.
They were lured under several false premises, that's true. It's not hersay, it's in the public police reports.
Yes the majority were Moroccan. Thats why so many were kicked out, because Moroccan citizens cant legally ask for refuge like a person from Syria could. Pretty much exceptions and children whose families couldnt be located stayed in the city
Morocco sent only its citizens. It was an invasion. Not a migrant crisis. The purpose was to show to Spain : “if you continue your dirty things behind my back, I let open the doors but next time it will be subsaharians and you can’t expel them like you do with Moroccans”
It is a warning to Spain. Treat us as partner, and stop blackmailing Morocco on the Sahara topic, or we have means to pressure you.”
@@freewal Why wouldn't they be able to expel black Africans? Your comment seems a tad racist, treating black immigration as worse than Arab ones, the Spanish dislike you all anyway, you'll always be Moors to them.
@@toade1583 what the hell? He just said that you can legally expel Moroccans back to Morocco but people coming from countries like Congo cannot be expelled, because they can legally apply for refuge
Great video as usual! Just think sth should be said about pronunciation of names:
Ceuta: Theh-oo-tah
Melilla: Meh-li-yah
And Mauritania was a mess😂
@El Dimos Karam I’m a Spaniard who speaks Spanish natively and these are their official names in Spanish bro what are you even saying
@El Dimos Karam I mean even in a latino accent it'd be say-oo-tah & may-lee-shah/ may-lee-jah/may-lee-yah, in the video the guy jyst pronounced every thing sooo British lol. Meh-lih-lah and soo-tah 😂
@El Dimos Karam yea guess what, names change, and I don’t think you call Morocco by its Berber name, even tho berbers are the original people of Morocco so go off
They are being pronounced in English not Spanish. Mauritania was just totally wrong, but that is how the two cities are called in English.
@El Dimos Karam I was taking about accents Welton spanish from Latin America
It's fine to have migrants who legally get access to the EU and who have background checks to see if they're fine. But when small cities like melilla and ceuta exceed their threshold its not hard to see why they have to push out the majority of migrants
On behalf of all English people, I'd like to apologise to Spanish viewers for Jack's pispronunciation 😫 *wince*
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At least we can all understand what he means,because it's written out.
It's not the pronunciation of the Spanish names that got to me, I mean that you can excuse. It's the pronunciation of the ostensibly English ones. xD
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Its mlilia in moroccan accent
Pro-tip: the double L in Spanish is pronounced like a Y.
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He spoke in English! He pronounce names in his own language! Get over it!
Yep, he goofed. I almost choked on my tor-till-a when I heard that. Also I think it's More-a-tania, not Ma-rish-iana.
@@anna3046 The thing is, the place is in Spanish, not English, and therefore they should respect their grammatical rules.
@@anna3046 don’t tell me you’re one of those people that pronounces tortilla “tortila”
Of course Spain was in the right. They're entitled to protect their borders and the European Union shouldn't be subject to blackmail. Morocco should lose any EU funding if they carry on with this nonsense.
Morocco has the right to claim its old lands back from imperialistic spain
Ceuta and Melilla had never been from Marocco. Never. It was Spain centuries before Marocco even existed buddy.
@@ktayba8303 they've been Spain's territories for hundreds of years. That's good enough for me and is good enough to comply with international law.
@@rickybojangles162 they have been morrocan BEFORE SPAIN EXISTED.
@@rickybojangles162 its geographical enough to be morrocan
"Moroccan Human Right's Minister" looks like an oxymoron.
Complaining about someone getting medical treatment and threatening conflict escalation. Yes, sounds about right
@@astrumespanol cry about it
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@@astrumespanol yep pretty tone deaf. But the false identity was pretty shady too
And you're a MORON for saying that..meanwhile racism against Spanish black people is on the rise.. They're protesting this now, check out the news bud. Looks like human rights in Spain is exemplary! Morocco on the other hand is welcoming Sub-Saharan Africans with open arms.
I'm Portuguese and I approve of this video. I will start mispronouncing every 'spanish' city's name.
I'm German and pronouncing probably every place name in Europe that is not a German name wrong. But still, not as wrong as TLDR. XD
@@wookie2222 I pronounce it Breslau...
1) it is correct, 2) it pisses off the Poles...
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It is not fair that the Europeans plunder the wealth of Africa and exploit their countries and then the Africans do not immigrate to their countries, leave their countries so that they do not immigrate to your countries
@@wookie2222 We in spain hate germany
Nobody would call them "secret" precisely, at least not here in Spain
It’s secret and never mentioned by Spaniards conveniently when the debate about Gibraltar appears. As saying goes don’t throw rocks in glass houses
It's click bait. Most people especially non Europeans aren't educated on the Melilla and Ceuta territories.
@@FriedrichBarb You are saying it as if Gibraltar was a matter of life and death for Spaniards. Its politics dude, just like the in the UK, the vast majority of the population wouldnt give a crap in practise.
@@juanmola2000 Yea majority of Spaniards have much more important politics to worry about same with Brits, but there's still that minority of revanchist Nationalists who don't shut up about it, yet totally ignoring their own enclaves
I don’t know why anyone would consider them secret. It’s legitimate Spanish territory since the 15th Century and they well predate the creation of Morocco.
Support Spain from Romania 🇷🇴❤️🇪🇸
Thank you my Dacian partner. You deserve Moldova. Same flag, same language, same currency, same history.
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@@alejandrosotomartin9720 good luck from Czechia
@@reaper7425 Only one advice for Chequia: Beware of the West. Our societies are dead or on the brink of collapse. USA has a fraudulent anti European and anti white government that stole the elections to Trump, UK is isolated and has not the influence they had in the past, Germany is an occupied and humiliated moribund country whose population is shrinking and brainwashed since childhood and forced to pay still war reparations to Israel, France is close to a Civil War because they accepted too much African migrants, and we in Spain we are too poor, old and irrelevant to be able to change anything even if we have more courage than the French or the Germans. Beware of the Western countries, we are dead. We cannot offer to you nothing but the mortal kiss of the old prostitute. Better look to the East. Friendly advice.
It is not fair that the Europeans plunder the wealth of Africa and exploit their countries and then the Africans do not immigrate to their countries, leave their countries so that they do not immigrate to your countries
This is odd. Why would the EU or Spain leave the responsibility for guarding thier own borders to another country?
Obviously a country should take ownership of its own borders.
Sadly, most Europeans believe that securing their borders is racist, which is why stuff like this happens all the time! 😜
The EU does secure it’s borders, but there are so many refugees in those places that when Morocco or Turkey let them go, an unstoppable wave of people arrive. The EU is however pouring billions into their own European border control so in 10 years time the EU probably will be better protected.
@@Quentin-vi4zi Though I do agree with you that the EU has taken some steps to secure its borders, I would never describe its borders as secure. With a yearly influx of almost a million migrants, hopefully it doesn’t take 10 years for them to get that border force up and running! Even then, a border force won’t be effective with loads of immigration lawyers waiting to pounce on any migrant who makes it in. Good luck!
@@westonmatthews5501 Simple way for Spain to fix this issue really, decolonise their holdings - the same way they want the UK to decolonise Gibraltar.
@@Red1Green2Blue3 Spain is very hypocritical on the Gibraltar issue, but it is hard to make the case that they need to give up their African cities that they have held since Medieval times. Additionally, conceding to Morocco would only encourage bad behavior and migrants can still cross into Spain via the Mediterranean. A serious country that could control its borders would simply not have these problems.
It's interesting in some way when in the UK we complain about a few hundred every now and again trying to cross the English channel. Yet there must be thousands walking through countries like Spain,Greece & Turkey etc on a daily basis.
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@LandBackDay Sept-30
Lol keyboard warrior spotted
@LandBackDay Sept-30
The majority in Canada is still in favor of immigration. Mad bro?
I'm happy that they do Spain is full of elder people and we need youth and at the end of the day borders were created by humans and war but the earth in reality doesn't have borders
@@corixasksoki2675
But the youth unemployment in Spain is very high, bringing more youth wouldn't just let the government raise more taxes
This is depressing, morocco is clearly in the wrong here with the deliberate manipulation of thousands of people that are struggling for their own gains here. Shit man this is gonna have such a bad ripple effect into the future
Spain is in the wrong, Ceuta and Melilla are colonial relics.
@@qwertywillbecool not exactly. The problem here is that both cities have been part from Castille even before that Spain or Morocco existed as former countries. Specifically from the late XV century. Also people from Ceuta and Melilla are assimilated and dont have an independent movement or identify themselves as moroccans.
@@qwertywillbecool and they are not colonies as Gibraltar as they are considered 100% part of Spain with no difference from someone that may live in Madrid. They are free to vote in the elections and all of that
@@qwertywillbecool the population there is spanish
@@qwertywillbecool do not put the North African countries in the same context as the subsaharan colonized countries.
North African have been players in European politics for a long time. Often in an offensive position. They don't get to play the victim cards.
Wow, I didn’t now Mauritania is supposed to be pronounced Mauritiana.
it’s not lol
I thought he'd invented a new country!
He totally butchered the name,the T should be pronounced as a T not a C.
Says a lot about this channel
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Really? I always thought it was pronounced Mauritania.
"First time?" - Greece
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Interestingly, those cities have been Spanish for hundreds and hundreds of years, since the middle ages.
It's like saying that Cicily should be "returned" to Tunisia because in the middle ages North African Nations held them.
It's the Mediterranean. If we started doing that, we could very well end up ceding everything back to the ottoman empire or the Roman empire. Or Spain (visigothic kingdom) back to the Umayyad Caliphate.
They aren't merely "European" outposts in Africa, they are Mediterranean cities with Mediterranean history.
It´s like a Turk telling to a Greek that Tessaloniki and Macedonia were once part of the Ottoman Empire and thus they should be given immediately to Turkey. Pure madness.
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and also like if Falklands are Argentinian territory and Gibraltar is Spanish territory
Morocco just want back its land in Africa they didn't want Andalusia back
@@samirhendri5937 it's not their lands to begin with. The majority of population is Spanish and catholic. Would they be respected in Morocco? Moreover if Morocco is so righteous why can't it leave Western Sahara gor the people living there to finally decide for themselves.
Morishiana? It‘s Mauritania…
That was hard to hear😅, like how do you fuck it up that bad
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What? People don't know Ceuta and Melilla are Spanish cities? Not just territories, but fully parts of Spain.
@RoastWorthy And? They are inhabited by Spanish people get over it
@RoastWorthy but they want to be part of Spain, even the non Spanish inhabitants want to be part of Spain.
@RoastWorthy but sometimes they do.
Interesting pronounciation of Mauritania
And Melilla
And Ceuta
You mean Mauritiania? 😂
and the dumb way they pronounce liechtenstein.... leech-tenshtain... lol
@@And.r.ew.90 That's how it's pronounced in English.
For a Spanish person hearing him pronouncing Ceuta and Melilla is like hearing someone pronouncing London like *Lead-in*
Calling Ceuta and Melilla "secret Spanish cities in Africa" is like calling the Falkland "secret British isles in South America".
Edit: for those who don't know how to read, I mean that they are not "secret" in any sense of the word.
That's a terrible comparaison. Argentina actually hás a good claim, Morocco doesn't
Well, to be fair, I'm an American and I'm at least aware of the existence of the Falklands and that a short war between the UK and Argentina left behind rather bitter memories and political tension over the area; I'm also vaguely aware of the separatist movement in Western Sahara/Morocco, but only that there is one, not any of the political nuances; and before this video, I had never once heard of Ceuta or Melilla. So at the very least, they're somewhat more obscure to someone with a limited geographical awareness of the world as a whole and the Mediterranean region in particular (and for what it's worth, I imagine I'm on the upper side of the bell curve when it comes to Americans and geo-political awareness that the rest of the world actually exists too)... But yeah, "not widely known" isn't really the same thing as "secret," which implies some kind of deliberate cover-up haha
@@FilipeSilva1 argentina does not have a good claim the brittish where the first permanent settelers and the Falkland islands where brittish before argentina was a country the falklands war was used by the dictator at the time as a distraction
@@FilipeSilva1 No Argentina doesn't have a claim to be honest
Secret to 99.9% of Brits. I worked in Gibraltar one summer, first time I had heard of them. Curiously at that time the Gib border was shut, but you could sail over to Ceuta.
Secret? Hardly. They have been in the news quite a few times during the refugee crisis too.
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HAHAHAHHA im dying at how he's saying Melilla
Also Mauritania
Mauritiana
Ceuta was even more painful
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3:59 I just love that in Spain they have the EU flag next to the Spanish flag for (nearly) all ministry [logos]! And btw the logo just looks cool. Much love to Spain 🇪🇸 ❤️🇪🇺
Much europeanist
It's compulsory for every member state
Spain is one of the most europeanist states in the EU and has been for a long time, EU's money injections tend to have such an effect.;)
@@marcobonesi6794 it isn’t. France, Germany and Austria don’t do this
@@Fabii2000 no it is. In fact the member states that refuse receive sanctions.
While Morocco's motives might be questionable, is it their duty to control who leaves Morocco? Countries usually want to control who can come in but don't place as many restrictions on who can leave.
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This, why get mad if they don't want to control who goes out, we should control who goes in
Because Spain and Morocco have an agreement or some shit like that, Morocco gets money for it
I totally agree with you in principle, but this case is different in 2 things: 1, morroco has an agreement to control the border in exchange for money and 2, the government has taken children from schools without their parents permission and sent them to Spain, which is inhumane to say the least
Yes is their duty because they are paid more than 100 millions each year for it.
I'm not finishing watching if you're gonna cut Morocco from its Sahara...
Truth hurts you?
@@_braileanul except we're actually own it in real life lmao
@@_braileanul I think it hurts you more than it does me. What you don't know is I can be there if I want... I'm a citizen of the Kingdom whose land it is.
@@rboulkhi occupied by
@@_braileanul on whose convenience?
I still can't believe that these videos are on the internet for free. Thank you TLDR News and bless you 🙏
There're people living in Ceuta and Melilla, right? Did anyone consider asking them their opinion on this? That seems important.
Ask them what would you like an exta 10 thousand people living here
By definition people who live in place, live there because of the status they have. So you already know the result. But It just show the hypocrisy of Spain. They want Gibraltar but say nothing on their colonies.
@@freewal It's not a colony, it's an autonomous region.
@@freewal It is not a colony.
@@freewal gibraltar has been a bargaining chip between spain and the uk for centuries, whereas ceuta and melilla have been (blissfully for them) from whatever was going on around them for even longer. Ceuta and Melilla would fall to opression and religious extremism and general backwardness should they be given to morocco (which has never ruled over it), do not compare it with what might happen to gibraltar should the uk relinquish it.
They've been European cities for the bare majority of their life since the Roman Empire. There should be no dispute over them. If Morocco wants them they can build their own cities as Poland built Gydnia to compete with Danzig
@@anash7 I mean, I dont think you can call that situation colonialism. Would you tell the people living there that all of a sudden they are a part of a country outside of the EU, without a real democracy, no respect for human rights and no social programs, in addition to imposing a religion that the majority of them do not follow? You also have to add that they are full part of Spain and not an overseas territory like Gibraltar or Puerto Rico.
Those cities were also conquered before Morocco was a thing, and if Gibraltar being British for 300 years doesnt want to join Spain, what can you expect from those cities being iberian for 500 to 600? Ceuta was conquered before Granada, the claim just makes no sense.
But Poland took over Danzig afterwards 🤔
@@juanmola2000 In addition to that, Ceuta has always been controlled by the Peninsula, with the exception of the Almohad and Almoravid period (200-300 years), since their conquest by the Romans. It was controlled from Hispania, then by the Visigoths, then the Caliphate of Córdoba and the Taifas...
@@anash7 Ceuta and Melilla predate the colonial era for hundreds of years. They are not colonial possessions. Decolonization, on the other hand is a process to give people living in former colonies right to choose what to do. I find it hard to believe ceutans and meilillans would choose to lose personal freedom, economic power and the identity they've had over centuries just because you believe they are a colony.
@@Venus03 because Gdańsk is polish city and has been german for barely 150 years? population in 1939 was german because of intensified germanisation and expulsion of poles after annexxing Gdańsk into prussia in 1792(!!!). It was always rightfully polish. If you want Spain to give back their 2 cities in Africa to Morocco then I'd like Turkey to give back Constantinopole back to Greece. The dates of takover are similar(late 15th century) so I guess the city still belongs to Greece and Turkish people are the colonisers in Istanbul.
I do not understand, how someone can be considered a refugee when crossing a border from one safe country to another. I get that that is defined that way in international law, it just seems a stupid definition to me.
A refugee is someone who fled their country because it was unsafe for them. So they have a right to ask for asylum. But then there must be an investigation to be sure that they are indeed in danger in their country + they're from the country they say to be from
Refugee's aren't limited to seeking asylum in the first 'safe' country they come across. If they were then border countries would be immediately overwhelmed...
The refugees probably haven’t came from morocco.
Morocco is a hard place to live in and refugees are likely moving through morocco to get to spain either because it’s richer or morocco don’t have the resources or willpower to help them
If migration is so good then why is it Morocco and Turkey using it as a weapon against the EU?
Eu wants those immigrants who can contribute to the economy
@@force1535 all immigrants contribute to the economy. They come to EU for better work opportunities and safety, rather than to freeload.
@Force 15 The EU doesn’t know what is best for its members. Migration is certainly not one of them. They’re worried that a declining population will make subsidising retirements difficult. Well, news flash, the entire World is suffering from a demographic decline. Migration won’t solve the issue, and the disadvantages severely outweigh the benefits
@@vitas75 Not true. Some are net negatives. That's how Turkey and Morocco can blackmail the EU.
@@jeromeryan4550 well yes. The kids are. At least temporarily.
You forgot to say that the Moroccan military said to the people that the borders were open and they guided the moroccans into Spain. Also, the situation in Ceuta and Melilla was horrible, all the establishment closed and people didn't go to the street. A city of 10.000 people looked like a desert
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ceuta is not spain
@@omineol9897 it is, xD
@@diegogarcia1546 cuántos tocayos
Wow who knew so many people had PhDs on politics and history of morocco
It’s absolutely insane that migrants that have crossed into your country can’t be returned if you don’t want them, and you have to give them all years worth of court costs. Laws this insane hurt the principle of human rights because it’s just not… pragmatic. These people crossed illegally into a foreign land. It should be legal to send them back
Its a sign of weakness to migrants as well, people claim its a humanitarian gesture, but its not perceived as such in cultures, countries and areas with a history of strong, harsh goverment presence.
To them its only *weakness* and weakness gets exploited, *every time* .
Fully agree wasn't aware there was such a law, in this situation it seems perfectly out of place. I guess the lesson here is never trust the other side to guard your mutual border.
No. Moroccans who have crossed the boarder are expelled immediately. In fact many of them crossed by themselves. The purpose of the invasion was just to send a message to Spain.
Next time we can bet it will be subaharians, and Morocco have the right to refuse them.
@@retroanimemike in particular if you act badly with your partner. Yep.
Its not just that, its the use of state sanctioned illegal migration as a political weapon which is the problem here.
The way you pronounced Melilla and Mauritania was god awful
morocco don t need spain, spain need morocco, it s time to get ceute, an mlelia back
Dude, they don't want to be Moroccan.
Who are you speaking for? We want to stay Spanish so let us be it.
@@mikicerise6250 black is black , I m prowed to be marocain , even If live in EU
People aren't getting the main grievance for Morocco. Spain undermined Moroccan sovereignty by taking in a rebel leader in land Spain willingly gave to Morocco. This would be like Morocco supporting the Catalan independence movement, of course Spain would get upset. So because Spain basically supported their enemies, Morocco responded by hitting Spain where it hurts the most, migrants.
No they didn’t. They gave medical help to a guy with health issues. Nothing more.
@@burningphoenix6679 If an African countries have medical aid to Kim Jong Un or the Iranian, they would dragged through Western media, hell even for things like supporting Palestine, that's all fine and dandy until an Nelson Mandela supports a HAMAS leader and now that African country is bad so no giving medical help to a political opponent of a country you're supposed on good terms with is a dick move and if an African did the same with a enemy to Western nations, they would be seriously reprimanded, but because it's Spain, everyone moves on and acts like giving medical aid to the leader of a rebel group that has been fighting the Moroccan government for decades is somehow ok.
@@burningphoenix6679 that guy is a war criminal.
@@burningphoenix6679 what do you know about that guy? Just wtf you guys are just too innocent to realize what's going on or what
Althought they are not part of the mainland, it’s wrong to call Ceuta and Melilla overseas territories. They are integral parts of the Spanish state just like any other area of Spain. They elect deputies to congress, are full citizens, etc. The relationship between Mainland Spain and these cities is VERY different from British overseas territories
Yup, it would be like calling hawaii an overseas territory, its a full on state (unlike Puerto rico, us virgin islands, guam, etc but thats a different story) ceuta and melilla are full on spanish cities!!!
Clearly the solution is returning Ceuta to Portugal.
😂 doubt 🇵🇹 wants it. One big headache.
Even Portugal has more rights than Mordor rruecos. And Portu is a much more reliable neighbour than Mordor rroco.
Yeah keep dreaming ☺️
No it's better when we North Africans take the Iberian peninsula
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@Marilyn Monroe They are Spanish cities. They have belonged to Spain for more than 500 years. They are inhabited mostly by Spanish people. Why should Spain renounce to them?
@Marilyn Monroe The citizens of those African cities don't want to leave Spain. They're full Spanish citizens with the same rights and duties as anyone from the mainland and they're culturally much more aligned with Spain than Morroco. They aren't colonies any more than Hawaii or Corsica are colonies.
@Marilyn Monroe Should the Turks go back to east-Siberia, where they originally come from? Should all immigrants that colonize USA go back to where their ancestors come from because the Indians' ancestor go to America first?
@Marilyn Monroe so America belongs to the indigenous people, Australia too, Gibraltar is Spanish not UK, stfu and dont touch my balls because I have a lot, do a favor and stay in the pine box.
Ooooh also the Sahara belongs to the Saharauis not Morocco ;) stfu and think.
2:58 Correction: the fight didn't resume. The Polisario wanted to make the world believe they were fighting. But there was no fight as Morocco did not end the ceasefire of 1991. Major networks noted that as well.
But the fact that Brahim Ghali is in Western Sahara and Flew from Western Sahara to Spain to get Medical Treatment is just funny. (Reality : Brahim Ghali flew from Tindouf, Algeria to Spain using an algerian issued fake passport under the name Mohamed Ben Battouche to get into spain) so basically this video is another pro-algeria propaganda video that's all!
And just to clarify, Western Sahara is a Moroccan a territory !!!!
Moroccan Spanish relations should resume ASAP !!! We need morocco and morocco needs us!
What on earth is "Mauritiana"?
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I left this video confused. Why is Spain dependent on Morocco to secure its borders. That's not usually the direction these things work.
Also, not individually assessing any asylum claims is horrendous. My wife practices refugee law, and the things people get sent back to are unconscionable, but not even giving a hearing is flat out illegal.
Spain pays Morocco to keep the border secure, if Morocco doesn't do it then they aren't fulfilling their part of the deal, Spain has a reason to be pissed.
@@eukarya_ Thanks. The video didn't make that clear. But that still makes Morocco just an underperforming contractor, for which they should be fired. Being "pissed" still seems like the wrong reaction to have because ultimately, Spain opted to give up control of the situation, and seems to just not want to take responsibility for that choice.
@@The2wanderers There's more nuance to this obviously, Morocco wasn't just an "underperforming benefactor" they deliberately opened the gates to Ceuta and instigated the migrants to cross (there's video evidence for this). It's a similar tactic to that employed by Turkey "give me things or I open the gates".
There's also the problem that Morocco claims the citirs of Ceuta and Melilla as their own territory, which also plays a role on this.
Is there a reason Spain doesn’t guard the border themselves, instead of relying on Morocco?
Spain does guard the border, but the thing is, you cannot get nobody to enter if you are also inside. Therefore, they can jump the walls and run, and then, the spanish can do something, because spanish guards cannot patrol outside it's territory.
Cheap labour force for the EU
@@botelladeagua4750 cheap labour force for the burgoise and an influx of inmigration to make positive the long-time negative demographic development in some areas of Europe.*
Yes, politics. When Spanish border guards go to town on African migrants it causes a human rights scandal back home. If Moroccans do it then Spanish government can avoid the blame and say, "oh well, just Morocco being Morocco."
The hypocritical progressit government don't like to see on media how their officers beats the people tryng to get in. So they outsource the job to morocco, a country where beating people is like a sport for everybody, specially police.
omg the pronunciation is killing me. I can't continue
"Mauritiana"
Yeahhhh same, super-bon-new-it
He really can't do a 4 minute research trying to emulate the right pronunciation, anytime he pronounce something Italian my ears bleed
just watch one of the ireland videos. "the island of island"
@@lucaesposito6896 fr like it doesn't have to be perfect but atleast get it in the ballpark😂
Please do a video on Germany looking to abolish vetoes on foreign policy within the EU. Great video as always
Yes. The EU is in deadlock. What would be a future proof way of handling it? Without the means to avoid deadlocks no new entries are possible IMHO
@@matrix0897 and why should UE be bigger than today?
@@prkp7248 Why shouldn't it?
@@matrix0897 but new entries to the EU should be accepted by everyone, not just the majority countries
@@cloodberst even today number of nations in EU is too high to make fast and strong decisions. And I don't want to live in EU where countries couldn't resist some of the decision because veto would be removed.
Careful and correct pronunciation of names and titles shows respect.
Great video!
The important fact here is that those cities, back then were pirates denn that were heavily financed by the ottomans to attack Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian cities in the coasts. Spain and Portugal proceded to destroy those fortress of pirates to prevent future attacks. Then both Portugal and Spain fortified those forts and made them cities, along with another two that belonged to Spain too, Oran and Mozalquivir, these two were returned to Tunisia. but Ceuta and Melilla remained Spanish because Spanish people lived there. People need to understand that those cities have always been linked to the Iberian peninsula since times of the Phoenicians, Visigoths, Vandals, Carthaginians Romans and Mozarabs, always connected to nowadays Spain. Morocco didn´t even exist when those cities were formed by Spain or Portugal so their claim is completely invalid.
People need to understand that those cities have been linked to Berber tribes and people even before the times of the Phoenicians, Visigoths, Vandals, Carthaginians, Romans and Mozarabs.
Ceuta and Melilla are remnants of a racist European colonial past. The people of Morocco have much bigger claim to those places than any Spanish person does.
@@elite7329 That is absurd, it would be like the Greeks claiming Spain’s Mediterranean coast because there were Ancient Greek settlements there.
@@elite7329 All of these historical claims at the end are not what matters to determine at which country should belong to places like Ceuta, Melilla, or Gibraltar. Is not to Spain, Marrocco, or the UK to choose to decide that, because in those place there live real people, and those are the only ones who have the right to claim to which country they belong. So, if the citizens of Ceuta and Melilla want to be part of Spain then Marocco has no right to claim that territory against this people's wish, and the same happens with Gibraltar, if they want to be in the UK then Spain has no right to claim it as his.
@@elite7329 No, and No. When you have a hub of pirates that attack my land, kill my people and take them as slaves to another continent you don´t get to pull that argument.
And second, Moroccans are not berbers, they are arabs. So there is no correlation. Have a nice day.
@@elite7329 Colonialism in the fifteenth century, that's a bit anachronistic don't you think?
yeah secret, like 500 years uninterrupted sovereignty, and more than 2.000 years ago also part of Hispania, the predecessor of nowadays España/Hispania/Spain...
Today's 'Spain' is not a predecessor of Hispania. It's a copyright infringement on the part of Castille.
@@jorge6207 Hispania Romana vs Modern Hispania:
Is Christian ✅
Speaks vulgar latin ✅
Same genetic pool ✅
Same Law code and principles ✅
Share lots of cultural traditions, like bullfighting ✅
Same denomination ✅
Share the same sovereign ✅ (yes the King of Spain is also the legitimate legal heir of the ancient Roman Empire)
etc...
@@GXSergio There is no modern Hispania. There is the Iberian Peninsula. If you want to use a geographical term use this. Spain (as you think of it) is outdated and completely overtook by the modern kingdom having taken the name, when they are nothing more than a part of it. This is not EU4 or any kind of game and Gibbon died a long time ago.
forgot to mention some 250 years in umayyad an almohavids
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Ceuta and Melilla are for Morocco
And the Moroccan government provides the colonizer with water and electricity. This is crazy
But that is because you didn't go to school. Poor dumb moor.
@@alejandrosotomartin9720 Yes we are Moor and we are proud.
We did two mistakes in history, when the Arabs sent us to Spain to fight for them, and when we built Spain.
@@mrstarbuck9212 1st thing is true. 2nd Definitely not..
@@alejandrosotomartin9720 Don't be ashamed of your history, we are neighbors for thousands of years and we know each others before the creation of the EU.
You are not innocents and we are not innocents either.
@@alejandrosotomartin9720 facts as my g up here said don't be ashamed or somehow racist ;-;
UK: "Gibraltar belongs to us!"
Spain: "It's obviously a natural part of Spain"
Morocco: "Melita and Ceuta are obviously a natural part of Morocco"
Spain: "Those have been historically separated from Morocco for centuries"
Catalonia: "Perdoni’m?!"
Except Morocco never existed when Spain occupied both Ceuta and Melilla and thus never owned it. In fact even before Spain took over, they had been occupied by non Africans far, far longer than they were in African hands.
Meanwhile, the land between the Rock and La Linea was not part of the treaty. It was leant to the UK to build TEMPORARY field hospitals in order to cope with 2 separate plagues. However, despite the terms, the UK refused to hand them back and in a cowardly manner, took advantage of the Civil War to build the airport illegally.
@@Cervando the first moroccan kindgom go back to 1200 so what the fuck are you saying
@@ayouberriouch6876 It wasn't called Morocco was it?
@@Cervando a simple Google search will say that it's established a sovereign nation in 756 just because it called deference name doesn't mean it doesn't exist it will extremely stupid to say that Germany (known back then by prussa) the same can say about china india and many more
@@ayouberriouch6876The first so called 'Morrocan State' in 788 AD, was the Idrisid Dynasty, of South Asian, NOT African descent. Furthermore your examples are terrible, as Germany does not have the same borders as Prussia, and China has existed for over 2 millennia deriving it's name from the Qin dynasty that united it.
Italy doesn't claim all Roman territories either, which would include both Ceuta and Melilla, who they captured off Carthage during the Punic wars and later the Byzantine Empire recaptured them again from Berber tribesmen. Whilst later on the the Umayyad Dynasty amongst several different Dynasties and Caliphates occupied the two cities, they were occupied for a much shorter time than Europeans had before them, let alone since.
Spain's move was questionable but I can't blame them, also yes they have a right to hold onto and should hold onto those territories.
Ceuta alone has been european for a good 600+ years, Morocco has no claim to it.
Y'all can always give it back to Portugal though, we wont complain 😉😉.
Okay coloniser
Spain's move was not questionable. It was agajnst every law and convention on human rights. Morocco should be punished, but not the people. Manhandling 5000 immigrants who look for a better future is just downright wrong.
@@comradeotaku2412 HOW is it colonisation? As stated above, those territories have been European for hundreds of years, they're inhabited by Europeans. That's like saying that Turkey needs to cede Turkish Thrace to Greece and Bulgaria simply because it's part of mainland Europe and not Asia.
@@Tiago.Rezende I dont think Portugal would want to deal with this headache 😂
Six months of "Europe ignores Marocco completely - no trade, no support, no travel" should be enough to humble those Maroccan politicians who overrate their importance. Yes, it hits the people, but then maybe they elect better leaders next time.
The Moroccan King and his advisors, as well as the makhzen and the few selected elites that exist control Morocco. The Moroccan PM barely has any power when it comes to making consequential solutions. This is particularly relevant when it comes to foreign policy. Something to bear in mind.
Not happening. EU is only words, no action. We can see this ti e and time again including brexit and russia. As much as I am pro EU, i hate this aspect of it.
They don't elect their leaders in regards to foreign policy, the country is essentially an absolute monarchy and those who criticize that end up in jail, usually for life although the elites have been losing control in the last decades and part of the internal affairs are carried by an elected government and parliament(of course only with the approval of said elites and Monarchy)
@@mimovil8730 not true. The diplomacy and défense topics are under the executive powerr, meaning the Royal house.
The Constituons of 2012 is verry clear. All other power are on the hands of a free elected gouvernement. European Union for instance completly validated true result of the Moroccans elections for the last 30 years. There is an opposition and alternance. Nope you are a saying billshit.
France is on the side of Morocco. Spain is divided and politically and economically weak right now. Morocco is supported by strong allies. United States is the number one. Your idea is a very bad idea. It will just push Morocco to China and Russia, and you will have a new proxy at 16km of Europe. Morocco is the best European partner in Africa and in this region. Europe can not afford to loose it.
Great video
Although the historical facts presented in the clip are technically correct, they may be misleading. Ceuta was never Moroccan, it was conquered from the Benemerins by the Portuguese, hence its flag similar to Lisboa's. Saying they were moroccans would be akin to say Julius Caesar was italian.
Meilla was an abandoned land because of conflicts between the Kingdoms of Fez and Tlemcen, when the Castilians arrived it was settled without violence. Gibraltar is much more British than this two enclaves are Moroccan.
TLDR claim objectivity but their bias constantly leaks out.
So they were Moroccans before they were Portuguese and Spanish. Thank you for the confirmation.
Morocco exist since 789.
By the way, how Spain could claim Gibraltar, after signing the treaty of Utrecht giving the sovregnity of this territory to Great Britain and refuse than Morocco ask to retrieve its territory … whereas Morocco never signed any agreement recognising those territories
I call it hypocrisy. Same for the referundum. No to Catalonia and Pais Basco. But yes for the Sahara ? ETA is a terrorist mouvement. But Polisario is a liberation mouvement ? Gibraltar is occupied. But not Ceuta and Melilia. Yeah Spain diplomacy is the definition of hypocrisy. This country is the most divided politically of Europe and I see why.
@@freewal I have to admit, that the politics of our country are full of hypocrisy, but yet that is what populism and nationalism does. And today, politics are more and more populist in most countries. Morocco, as we know it today, wasn't there yet, there were different kingdoms and dynasties. You can't say that it belongs to Morocco or that these cities are occupied, because today's Morocco didn't exist and it means that legally claiming those territories isn't going to work unless that country existed so long ago. Gibraltar wasn't occupied. Spanish independence movements don't really have an excuse to doing those things, as most of the reasons are just populist and nationlist ideologies making false claims about historical things (atleast the catalonian movement). Yet, Morocco occupied the Sahara even after there was an agreement to make a referendum, and then moved hundreds of thousands of moroccans to the Sahara, which would ruin everything. The saharaui people resisted to that. And it's just that. Morocco is making aggresive moves in the diplomatic world, and they should stop.
@@AinaWarCrim Morocco will continue to respond to every provocation made by Spain or any party. Moroccans society is poorer than Spain, it didn’t benefit of all the aids European Union gave to Spain to develop its economy, still Morocco is much more United than the Spanish people. And you know it. Playing with your partner on his back, is a terrible idea. The current gouvernement in Spain is a mess.
To be fair, they did say the Moroccan case is incredibly weak and that Morocco has never submitted any meaningful evidence to back up it's claim, which is pretty accurate.
There were many ways I thought the attempt at pronouncing "Ceuta and Melilla" could go, and yet I was entirely unprepared for the mouth noises I was actually presented with. Huh.
Mauritania too
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I watch almost all your videos to stay in tune with world events and appreciate all the work and time you put into them. One suggestion I would have is this: it would be sort of important to pronounce the names of the countries/cities etc. somewhat right. [suutah] for Ceuta is the British pronounciation, no problem there; [meleelah] is a borderline case-the British pronounciation is [meleeyah] and is stated on Wikipedia. But when you mentioned Mauritania, that was more of a guess than anything else. Your content is excellent, this is just a suggestion for improvement. Thanks!
Agreed, it makes otherwise very professional content feel a little less professional
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“Muh-lil-uh”, “Soo-tah”… even “More-ih-shi-a-nah” (Mauritania). Great video, but your pronunciation of these place names could use some love 😊
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Im portuguese, but Ceuta and Melilla are european territories, and as such all EU countries should side with Spain in this, it's a matter of stability, honor and values.
As a Spaniard I'm always glad to see our fellow Iberians standing up for us.
Thank you! Europe must stay strong in these times.
Little Portuguese fella is still butthurt that The moroccans killed your king and destroyed your empire
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1. No, that was centuries ago, we don't care, if anything, we joke about it.
2. Im not sure what you are talking about, the portuguese empire remained pretty much intact until 1821, when brazil became independent, and even then, we still had Angola, Mozambique, Goa, Timor-leste, (etc...) one could say that the portuguese empire only ended in 1999, with the transfer of Macau to China.
3. A lot moroccans, like yourself, seem to take a lot of pride in their ancestors having once defeated a portuguese king and his army, yet you forget that many years before that, they had their asses kicked out of Lisbon, Alentejo, and the Algarve by the portuguese, who later went on to conquer Ceuta, basically giving start to the age of portuguese discoveries and to what would later become the fairly large portuguese colonial empire.
4. I have nothing against Morocco, but Spanish borders are european borders, as such, other european countries cannot tolerate attempts by Morocco to disturbe them, it's pretty simple.
you missed the core issue. The reason why Morocco is bold comes from economy (as always). Morocco is the top exporter of phosphates, which are necessary for modern farming. The US and France, who have strong and large farming industry, want to be friendly with Morocco for getting good deals. And that entails turning a blind eye or even acknowledging Morocco occupation on Western Sahara, despite unlawful under UN Law.
Both the US and France are supporting Morocco over Spain due to these economic and geopolitical reasons. France even voted against the european resolution condemning the unlawful military invasion by the Moroccan Army in the "Isla Perejil", disrupting the status quo. This lead to a military clash between Spain and Morocco in 2003. In addition, USA and Morocco performed a massive military exercise around the Canary Islands (another debated territory, which Exclusive Economic Zone Morocco is continually traspassing). In this exercise, several American and Moroccan fighters infringed Spanish Airspace without notifying air control. Such wonderful allies...
Shouldn't it be up to Spain to protect their border?
spain is in schengen agreement. so spains outside borders to non eu countries are as well spains concern, as concern of whole eu
@@certaindeath7776all the more reason they shouldn't depend on Morocco to secure them
We protect our borders, there are videos about them in TH-cam
But there are too many inmigrants and Human Rights don't let us send them back
if people really want it, there is no way u stop them.
the most sad thing is that they come with a totally untrue vision of europe, and then when they are here, best they can get is somewhat slavery or beeing in social system and useless person like all a lot of people without perspective here.
and whats even more sad, is, that that is often better then life where this people come from
The EU pays Morocco Millions of Euros every year to patrol the borders. They are supposed to stop migrants from reaching the fences. Spain protects the border from within, but an avalanche of thousands at once is impossible to hold back.
Hopefully Spain and Morocco will be able to work something out that doesn't involve using thousands of people as pawns.
First the sovreignity of Morocco should be respected. But yes both part has interests to collaborate. No more backstab
It takes 10 seconds of searching to not mistake Ceuta for "Suta", Brahim for "Barum" or Mauritania for "Mauritiana". It feels like you don't really know the places you're talking about, I've only made such mistakes when I rapidly googled information for school assignments I didn't care about.
5:52 what a shot! his glutes are a metaphor for spain's strength! this pic was so good that it is back at the end of the video. great rear end!
Please just look up the pronounciation of those place names on google translate before recording… you can get a pretty good pronunciation approximation from that so it doesn’t sound so ridiculous
Love to hear Jack say tortilla
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I would love a tldr history channel
Very soon a green March....on the 2 amazigh african moroccan enclaves...
The game is over dear neighbors
AT 2:19 Mauriciana instead of Mauritania lmao
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For the love of God, next time you do a video on foreign places, Google how to pronounce them. It would be like a foreigner pronouncing "through" with a hard "G" sound. Painful for the ears.
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Spain was right ... Nobody can blackmail Europe
My mother and grandmother were born in Melilla!
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Morocco : relax the boarders
EU : and I took that personally
Morroco was even paid to reinforce the border and now they have done this.
And it is indeed personal because the morrocan government has admitted that it is because the Polisario front leader traveled to Spain to get medical attention.
@@daniesmar how much 100 millions euro, they spend much much more than that to stop those immigrants
@@mindandbody7791 well, it doesn't matter.
They agreed to it. They also get a special diplomatic and economic status with the EU.
@@daniesmar, yes, but you can't host a wanted criminal with fake id who threatened Morocco security, and expecting Morocco to care about your security,i believe it's Hypocrisy when they sport 'liberation movement as they call it' in Morocco but they opress Catalonian movement at the same time, Morocco don't accept to be blackmail with sahara issue as well
@@mindandbody7791 but morroco is free to expell those migrants from morroco. Furthermore, they don't come from Spain.
I don't see how does Spain blackmail morroco with the WS issue, but if it does, it's wrong too.
Spaniard here. I'm sorry but I've been laughing every time I heard "Melila" 😂. It's OK but quite funny at the same time. The pronunciation (more or less) of "ll" is like the "J" in "Just" for example, so "lla" would sound like "dʒʌ".
¿Andaluz verdad? jejejejeje
Literally who cares, it’s the English accent, there is no “J” for “lla” in English, he is using his language
Spaniards saying English cities 95% of them would say it incorrectly also, but this isn’t anyone’s fault it’s just how accents work. -_-
@@FriedrichBarb Yes, that's why I said that it was OK. If you want to learn it fine, if not, it's fine as well. We can understand what we mean, so that is what matters. But as a Spaniard living in the UK (of course my English accent is far from perfect), I like to learn how to speak properly so I guess I think other people people would like to do so as well, but maybe I'm totally wrong here...
@@LoEMDubstep 🙈 you got me!
@@javiTests pillao miarma. Yo diría meliya, no sé cuál es el fonema
They need to send all these people to the homes of Human Rights Watch employees and they can take care of them while their cases are waiting to be reviewed. Why would they mind if they are so concerned.
Love the channel but you should really look up the pronunciation of loads of these places/terms before recording
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Secret cities? Wow... This is very disappointing and disrespectful for both, Spain and the inhabitants of Ceuta and Melilla.
Spain has right for soverginity
So does Morocco.
do you talk about catalonia?
same for catalonia
Saying that Ceuta is in Africa like is in another world when you could go swimming from the peninsula to Ceuta.
shut up mamito😂
TLDR History Channel? Yes.
Both countries are supposed to have physical control of their respective sides of the border. How did Moroccan refugees get through the Spanish side of the border? Was it siesta?
Morocco is not the gendarme of Spain. Each country is responsible of its boarder. This is written in the International laws
500 years being from Spain, secret xD.
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Drama in the political sphere is never good.
lol the UK just like "excuse me" tbf that was my reaction
Should spain hold on going forward this territories? its like saying; should turkey hold on istanbul? continents it does not defines contries.
Plus, spain had control in this cities in roman times with "hispania transfretana" and the "regnum gothorum", goth kindom of spain.
There is not such discussion posible about how spanish this land are.
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They took those cities after waging war. Furthermore those cities were lost to the Portuguese and then spanish enclaves but only after the fall of Portugal to the spanish crown, they took hold of both cities even though it was Morocco who defeated the Portuguese (Spain just took advantage of the situation) Morocco has since been trying to get the cities back diplomatically to avoid another bloody Iberian war.
@@denzelsmashsymptom4264 i deeply respect your opinion (well, i respect every opinion), but your say it's not accurate. In 1640 (in the portuguese independence) the territory that we now as portugal pleed loyalty to there portuguese new king (juan IV) seperating themselfs from Felipe IV. every singel portuguese territory except ceuta, which they pleed loyalty to the spanish king (back then the population was mostly spanish). In that year the citizens of ceuta chose to be spanish and not portuguese. Thats way ceuta has the title of "noble, loyal and faithful" .
in second hand, the morococan never keept in pece with ceuta. since then ocurd numerous battles, and very blody ones.
ist apropiate to remeber the longest sige of the history, ocurd in ceuta, by muylay ismail, king of moroco, in 1694-1727. This dinasty lost (which is the antecesor of the actual king of moroco) lost this war and reconise the spanish soverinity of ceuta and melilla with the actual borders in the treaty of wad rass. A reconision that moroco dont wont to remember.
But like i said, i respect your opinion, and the only opinion that matters its what the law says
@@picker2152 First of all I would like to say that this video is keeping many important facts hidden and is a baised opinion of someone who is clearly supporting Spain. I know very much about the siege, but such battles and wars are only natural. Spain would have done the same if some Andalucian city remained on Europe. The cities might be Spanish now and Portuguese before but part of a Moroccan dynastie and Sultanate at first, if Spain is refusing to negociate on the basis that the Morocco of today wasnt the holder of the enclaves because of government change well so are they: Spain back then was a different country with a different name under different rule . Furthermore, how can they blindely ask for Gibraltar and keep the cities, they are trying to completely monopolise the strait Now what I want to prove is that it is outerly hypocritical that Morocco has been such a good neighboor during many years, promoting economical exchange, signing mutual win-win agreements and sharing critical data on terrorist activities while Spain is back stabbing the country by accepting this separatist leader. Morocco has on multiple occasions denied meetings with spanish Catalan independence leaders but many of the viewers are ignorant of such good will treatment and blindly support Spain without knowing the facts since it is an EU contry.
@@denzelsmashsymptom4264 i agrre with you in many things, and i respect your knowledge. But the diference beetwin gibraltar and ceuta its that gibraltar its involve in a proces of decolonisation by the UN and ceuta dont. thats way spain ask for gibraltar (witch i think its comletle unfair). Spain has a legal case on gibraltar and moroco dont have the same with ceuta. If moroco had a legal case to get ceuta they would ask for it in the UN. Way spain would negociate anything? would you negociate your house with pepole who dont have legal case for it?
If morocco want it, needs to ask for it in the UN.
But who knows, maybe there is things behind the scene that we dont now
Where is "Morrishiana"? I have a first class honours in Geography and Politics and live in London - let me work for you. The biggest cities in Mauritania are Nouakchott, Nouadhibou and Chinguetti :)
Something like this can start a war
I don't think Morroco exported 8.000 migrants after considering their individual circumstances so why should Spain consider then when deciding whether to deport them.
Morocco has a human right's minister? And they're using 8000 people as blakcmail material? Hypocrisy at its finest.
They didn't push them to border, rather they left on their own decision.
I mean it could be worst , brahim gali is wanted on terrorist charges in spain for killing 300 canary island citizens , yet Spanish judges Apparently "lost" dossier and Gali went away
@@alaa3889 for real? how's that even possible?