Has Macron Triggered a Civil War in New Caledonia?
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Following Macron's proposed electoral changes, protests and riots have begun on New Caledonia and a state of emergency has been declared. So in this video, we'll break down the history of this French territory and why local officials fear a civil war.
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Im actually more suprised France still managed to keep New Caledonia after almost 2 centuries
It's population is 300k
After 3 referenda over 5 years 90% voted remain. How about respecting democracy?
@@franckcolomb5579 indigenous refused to vote boycotting
@@franckcolomb5579 Come on, the two referendums where everyone partook were about 55-45% in favour of remaining French. You can't take the one that pro-independence voters boycotted and pretend that is the wish of the people.
@@franckcolomb5579 Not really, separatists boycotted the 2021 independence referendum and it's the reason for a 96% of people voting in favor of staying as a part of France. The 2020 independence referendum was much closer with 53% voting for staying and 47% for independence and the turnout was around 86%.
I believe with enough time, the relations with France could sour to the point where New Caledonia might actually end up winning their independence, although through a small margin.
New Caledonia is the 3rd largest producer of Nickel in the world. That is all they want
Always this one, using his fatty fingers on google to type whatever country is involved in a crisis + ressource to know what's underground
And then claim "it's about that!" to look smart
Low iq pride
You said it all. The island would have been independent a while ago if it was not for the nickel.
New Caledonia has 30 percent of world's nickel deposits.
And China will get their hands on it eventually
@@daniellesoulard5215 Not sure whether Australia or the US will allow this to happen as New Caledonia is too close to Australia, NZ and strategic maritime routes.
Average Day in France: A protest/civil unrest in at least one part of the country
True
You made a mistake, the term "Caldoche" doesn't refer broadly to french metropolitans in kanaky/caledonia but specifically to the old generations of settlers, sometimes descendants of deported criminals and other descendants of european settlers that have been there for a few generations. As I understand it they largely form an old local bourgeoisie and are usually distinguished from the first-gen immigrants from france (that are called "Metros" locally). Caldoches have a nastier rep than Metros (and I guess a more colonial attitude on average ?). I think it's about the same sociological position than the "Békés" in the Antilles.
The Caldoches are somewhat comparable to the pieds-noirs of French Algeria. Or the Afrikaaners of South Africa. However, many Caldoches just call themselves "Calédoniens" nowadays, and some families are of mixed ancestry (French, German, Tahitian, Chinese, etc).
Go away franch! Freedom Caledonia!!!
@@user-ji9so5ps2t russian troll account from St Petersbourg troll factory! Which proves that this riot is created by Russia
@@user-ji9so5ps2trussian account, of course...
Macron and its governement are available in the colonies of France and in the Anciennes colonies of Africa and does not belong to Israel, a colonialist regime and those living in Israel.
dude dropped a "roblox" and "fortnite" in the span on 10 seconds
The Apex of journalism
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Huh? How?
I do admire the the independence strategy of 'if we do enough independence votes eventually one will pass'
Not really democratic even tho i can understand the wish for independence
@@zimtwiers9726 Exactly. If they want independence, maybe they should actually convince their fellow Caledonians of it.
And obviously if independence does pass with the slimmest of majorities they would totally honor the wish of the other side in a newly independent country to conduct a "rejoin France" referendum every few years, right?
@@gameofender4463 by ”fellow Caledonians” you mean European migrants that need to leave 💀
@@tombo416They are natives there lol
Caldoche are there for 200 years , they aren’t Metropolitans .
And
@@kagenlim5271have earned the right right to live and vote there.....else countries like usa and Australia would have serious issues
@@16jan1986 exactly
@@16jan1986 Russia and China are behind all these, first they will get rid of France colonial overseas. Next it will be Australia/New Zealand, Falklands and Quebec independence from Canada. Russia and China are using the old "western man massacre and enslaved and took your lands" which is true to get these lands for themselves. China has only just woken up they wont stop. Doom and Gloom for the west, all leaving the US and UK to south east asia and europe
I always like to read the many comments saying the information in these videos is incorrect.
Didn’t have “Troubles 2: French Edition” on my 2024 bingo card but that’s been happening a lot these last few years.
your interlectual bingo card is an abandon place like ur avatar pic. move on and read some books
les troubles 2 boogaloo électrique
@@bongochicken8681 don't have to read too many history books to know that colonialism shouldn't have lasted this long until 21st century.
@@bongochicken8681 I’ll take a sense of humor and the ability to spell over being the grand redditor thank you.
@@bongochicken8681 You must be real fun at parties
Half Australian/New Caledonian here ..... there are a LOT of things that are not quite right about this video starting with the demographics of New Caledonia it is an EXTREMELY multicultural place that has had many waves of migrants over the decades that often were escaping French colonial wars like the Vietnamese population or the Algerians , then there are various Polynesian people living there as well as Indonesians that were brought there by France to work on mines farms and roads. There is also a LOT of people that declare themselves "mixed" that is in fact the second largest demographic group there. And the political views of these groups some of which have been there for multiple generations varies significantly.
The second thing is that what France is wanting to amend is the local electoral roll that has not had amendment since 1998 and that currently excludes many people that were born on the island and then left at a young age including Kanak people the problem was not weather to amend or not to amend but was on the fine details to actually make sure it is 100% fair and there were efforts made for this but not enough and there were serious shortfalls both on the local politics in New Caledonia and the French policy makers in Paris.
I will end on the note that generally speaking regardless of ethnicity or political allegiance a LOT of people in New Caledonia are not against independence or at least even greater autonomy, but Political mismanagement and miscommunication both on a local government and French national government scale makes this very complicated as there has been a status quo for 40 years.
You are not French, because true Caledonian doesn't want independence ! You are just an Australian speaking on behalf of New Caledonia !
New Caledonia will stay a French territory for ever ! Keep that into your brain ! Moree over is French constitution says that France is indivisible, all French territories can not proclaim independence and New Caledonia doesn't make exception !
Can you speak French ?
Has the views on independence changed over time? How does it vary by age?
@@Pablo24000you’re probably saying all of this from your apartment in Paris thousands of miles away 😂and you think you know more about their country than they do?
Well done, good reporting.
I see most people in the comments gloss over the other natives of New Caledonia, the Wallisians and Futunans, even though they make like 10% of the population
20% of the population
Can you imagine if you suggested that only white french could vote in France
That would have been fine if you had stayed in France to begin with, rather than colonizing and settling in foreign land.
@@cyrusthegreat4784I don't see any French people in Algeria
Not even a lot of Jews or Chrisitians, weird
@ccoedo808 can you imagine if another country colonised france and then suggests that its citizens vote in the French elections
Can you imagine if the Germans had colonized France?
@@cyrusthegreat4784 Did the Swedish have any colonies in the middle east or Africa ? I think not, so your opinion is irrelevant.
They could gain independence if they convinced just 10% of another group to vote for independence
People of European origin only make up 24% (2019) of the islands population and not everybody of this 24% can vote
Yeah but kanak people only amount to 49% of the population
Did u even watch the video?... other groups are there simply because of jobs from european settlers.. so now, who do you think their support would go to?
@@SuperMyckie they support the ones who don't destroy their homes obviously and BTW THEY DON'T have the right to vote if they moved there after 1998 nor have the Europeans who moved there after 1998.
@@SuperMyckie So better the Devil you know then?
@@SuperMyckiePersonally I think they lost 3 votes for independence where only people who were there for decades already could vote. At a certain point it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the overall balance in a country just isn't the same as it used to be. Arguing for ever for what is now a lost era doesn't work either.
And it is not like they have reduced rights or so, the current argument is instead about how they have disproportionate rights compared to newer people in the land, which clearly isn't fair either. So at this point what is one really arguing for, that it's unfair that the politically privileged lose some of their power? Certainly they were the longest original inhabitants of the land, but does this justify permanent disenfranchisement of everyone else?
Thanks for the overview on New Caledonia. Very informative.
Just a small precision, in 1998 at the Noumea Agreement signed by both parties (20 years agreement), it was agreed at the signature that a sliding electoral body of 10 years of Residency to be put in place for the Provincial Elections during these 20 years.
Then, in 2007, President Chirac (under the pressure of independentists) accepted to freeze temporarily the electoral body for people arriving before 1998 only. Because it was against democratic rules, this measure was just a transition until the 3 successive referendums for Independance and the end of Noumea Aggreement... After this 3 referendums (the last one boycotted by the independentists in december 2021, at the very end of the Covid Crisis), negociations should have been taken to discuss the future of New Caledonia (with a link with France since Independence was not chosen). Unfortunately, no parties managed since then to find an agreement, and because the Provincial elections were to be done in 2024, the electoral body was to be "defrozen" before... An agreement was found with 10 years of residency but only with a part of the Indepentists but not with the more radical ones... That is why there are troubles now because they do not agree with this "unfreeze" because they could lose some seats in the New Caledonian next Congress (the country has its own governement and congress). In fact, these riots are done by young unemployed and lost kanaks manipulated by radical independentists. The majority of the population including moderate independists are against the violence and the country autodestruction (infrastructures, companies, shops are now destroyed around Noumea). New Caledonia population wants peace not civil war... A future constitution of New Caledonia must be found very quickly to be agreed by both parties (independentists and pro France). Politicians have lost too much time, the agreement must be done among New Caledonia political parties.
I'm no french but I'm interested. Would it be fair to exclude new settlers? What about none french/kanaks could the deal exclude them?
@@m00zic It is now difficult to distinguish between "french", "no french", the population is from mixed origins since the 19th century (like in America, Australia, New Zealand etc...). The so-called "new settlers" are not cowboys taking a plot of land from the kanak people to build a farm... there are specialists, technicians, engineers, entrepreneurs, doctors required by the Caledonian population and local companies. The population of Caledonia was in fact already decreasing in the past years due to the departure of many persons every year from New Caledonia (economic crisis for at least 5 successive years). With the recent riots more persons will leave the country definitely and none will come...
Gotta love the settler apologism here.
@@MyGbel Bullshit, it's pretty easy to tell the difference.
@@Gustav_Kuriga It is not so easy as you think to get a judgment, you must live in New Caledonia to make your own judgement. As for the Russo / Ukrainian conflict, I do not blame Russia or Ukraine, the situation is more complex as the media present the facts.
Genuine question, why is the measurement system the imperial one? It is European news, of course there be more europeans that would watch this, so why wasn't the metric used at 1:22 ? Unless i am proven wrong that there are more americans watching EU news on this channel
I'm an American but I prefer the metric system.
TLDR News comes from Britain where we use a bastardised mix of metric and imperial units. For long distances, we still use miles.
Having to use a different measuring system between their Global, UK and EU channels was probably judged to be too inconvenient for them.
@@CLofMAL i see that makes sense
I'm british but I tend to use the metric system. Old generations used the imperial system and keep using it today.
Americans learn metrics, but Europeans don't know freedom measurements 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸.
Metric reaches a wider audience.
I think you forget that Azerbaijan and Turkey are thought to have been providing support for New Caledonian separatist movement, as they resented France for openly supporting Armenia. They used to do so with Iran's Azerbaijan region (and still).
Most likely yes, there is a 2nd participant in every civil war
I mean yeah, otherwise why tf would there be Azerbaijani flags
@@ad3l547 where azeri flags? i didnt see any.
@@ad3l547 I think that was the New Caledonian flag.
@@howtoappearincompletely9739no there is a lot of interviews/pictures you can find with independentists with t-shirt on which there is the Azerbaijani flag.
Australia and New Zealand definitely don't want the French to leave. The first effect of French departure would be a crash in local living standards and mass migration to Auckland and Sydney, in the same way as has happened with other Pacific islands.
Next I imagine the Chinese would be sniffing around for a convenient naval base just off the coast of Queensland.
why not? You guys can allow US to sniff around with a naval base off coast of japan
@@joetrump2983 better the devil you know than the devil you don't
@@lm_b5080 in this case, seems like China is the lesser devil than the US then. I don't see china planning on a naval base near Hawaii or PNG as of now
Good point. They could wind up becoming the new Haiti. And if China showed up, the Kanaks couldn't do much about it. The CCP, as an Uighur can tell you, doesn't feel guilty for how they treat non-Han Chinese so they might not get the independent island of their dreams.
@@lm_b5080 then china is the known one and US is the unknown one then
Thank you very much ❤
My 2 cents as an outsider is Macron should have let the vote be delayed due to covid. France probably would have won the 3rd referendum anyway but it would have a lot more legitimacy than it did in our timeline. Might still end up with this same problem though.
France had no right to delay the vote actualy, it would have been a breach to the treaty, the dates had to be respected. And it was not during covid, it was after covid and an actual political move to denounce the all treaty, they demanded it in the name of mourining covid's death, it was only strategic. The independentist knew they would lose by a large margin including by kanak people, so they intimidated the kanaks in order for them not to vote and keep the face, then to be able to bargain other things after the vote. The mistake Macron did here, is that he supressed the remaining voting exclusion exeption for electoral purposes in the next european elections. Macron is a very bad leader, he makes terrible diplomatic mistakes, everything was fine in new Caledonia before he decided that move to gather a few vote for his party.
Either way the fact over 40% of people voted to leave shows the current gov is doing something to displease a good amount of voters. There would be no calls for independence if they were happy. They only got rights and citizenship in the 50s. And were marginalized after that to the pint of violence in the 80s. Is it believable that today they are treated fairly?
It’s worse cause the whole economy is not really sustainable. All groups in the islands only have the lifestyle they have due to their relationship with the metropole, with very little economic diversity. It’s not a safe thing to be a small place with only one industry and only one boss. Tourism and fishing and nickel wouldn’t be enough to keep everyone’s jobs. Their only hope is negotiating for a better deal with France, since France clearly wants to keep the colony.
@@backintimealwyn5736 The third referendum should have initially occurred in 2022, not in 2021 (two years after the second referendum held in 2020). So they could have delayed the referendum back to its initial date in 2022, but they refused.
you cant just violate a treaty
So only ethnic votes (here - Kanak) count then? Does this also apply to say...EUROPE? Do we start not counting or start ignoring votes of non-ethnic/non-native Europeans in Europe?
You should.
Exactly. Those supporting that argument are hypocrites. Everyone deserves an equal vote in every country.
As if it's the same lol, the French people aren't immigrants, they're colonial settlers.
African & Asian migrants = bad
European migrants = good
That’s how you think I’m guessing right
That's your concern, no one tells Europe what to do. Kanaks just want to have their own ancestral homeland to themselves.
“Banning TikTok” ok that’s it France “democracy” is not democratic enough to call “democracy” since banning a social media is the same with banning public speech
It's a temporary ban for the duration of the unrest, for security reason. For the same security reasons many countries have permanently banned Tik Tok on government employees work devices. It's for the strong suspicion of China collecting data, interfering and spying with Tik Tok. The platform is a security risk.
A Chinese social media platform. Mostly used by young people to get dumber, not to get informed.
This is one way to justifie "banning tiktok"
Tik Tok is a security risk. That's why it has been temporarily banned locally while the unrest is ongoing. No other social media platform has been banned. Because they don't pose a risk. Tik Tok does. There's a reason why so many countries have permanently banned Tik Tok on their government employees' work devices.
What a title.
Gotta get those views and engagement somehow huh
they need to click bait
Yeaaaaah, I understand that Google's system just forces creators to have click bait-ey titles, but it just puts me off.
Yeah, it was France ignoring the Kanaks, who is responsible for the uprising.
@@juliane__ They didn't and they don't. Learn about the Noumea agreement.
He is too busy in Ukraine and Africa that's why. French are stretch thinly and the anti-France take advantage of it.
Bro what are you yapping about
what the heck are you talking about ??? franSS is colonizing us for 2 centuries... even un aks fransS to leave us alone !!! You are one of those: free ukraine, because it's russia, but franSS can continue its occupation and crimes... f you ! FREE KANAKY !
Bro, most of my french mates couldn't place New Caledonia on a map if it wasn't pointed out to them.
@@geniemiki I agree with you. But it's not about them. It's about france State/gouvernent, ending its occupation of Kanakie.
Remember, when we say france, we are not talking about the people of france, but the state !!! It's the frenSSh goverment doing the invasions, killings, occupations, destructions, pillages... of people land and resources... and when the same people seek refuge in france, the state ( the elite, the politichiens...) call them "immigrants, CAF seekers ..."
franSS, the state (not the people) is the most brutal, evil, hypocrite white state !
good France should leave other countries, dont cry when people hate you, all Africans should save Africa from France
Weirdly enough, Azerbaijan of all places is apparently giving support to the separatists, probably as a means of getting back at France for giving support to Armenia and Artsakh in recent years.
Based Azerbaijan
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@@tylerbozinovski427 cry more Frenchie
@@Imrunningoutofnames420 Free Kabylie !
@@walideg5304 I'm not a hypocrite, if they want to be free let them be free, but the problem is, I have met a lot of people from tizi and bejaia, they feel more Algerian than all Algerians, they have given everything they have for Algeria to be free, I dare you to go there and tell someone there he's not an Algerian, only a few minority wants to be independent, again if the majority want that I'm fine with it, but they don't
The question of democratic vote after occupation, displacements, genocides, population colonialism, will never be clear-cut and black and white.
The French may be rightly considered pretentious asholes sometimes, but they gave the Kanaks 3 referendums with a lot of the restrictions on who qualifies for the vote according to their demands.
The Kanaks should probably have organised themselves around a different agenda of autonomy and cultural rights for a while, and maybe a referendum in a more distant future.
Most importantly, the violence of the protests don't give the sentiment that New Caledonia would be well, if it was those who were in charge. I think many people will not want that now, they shot themselves in the foot if you consider that the real catalyst to gaining independence is to win people to your cause.
3:58 and 4:05. Those two words being 7 seconds apart from one another cannot be a coincidence
The pronunciation of "roadblocks" in the video really isn't helping this being any less funny.
New Caledonia costs us a lot for nothing, dump the island, the Chinese and the Australia can fight to have it.
Indians will probably get there before and colonize the island
You are correct,apart from prestige what does france benefit? Australia will not be fighting China or anyone else for it.China will take over little by little.If France leaves I hope they take everything with them.The kanaks perhaps think they can have money from Paris and shitloads more from Beijing. That idea must be dispelled.
Thanks .
well explained
A huge chunk of the population isn't out off Europeans but other Polynesians
Other Polynesians just happen to vote in favour of France
Imo… if the french leave… the locals would start migrating to more developed countries… as the new leader would probably be self-serving
The new leader would be Xi in China.
New Caledonia belong to its people. Never stop fighting for your freedom
Those who live in glass houses, like France, should not throw stones at other people's houses.
This was unexpected
Things dont go their way = riots
I dont know man seems pretty french to me
We tried several times to hold calm and peaceful demonstrations and they’ve never listened, and please don’t call the Kanak « French » it’s an insult for us 😏
The fact that the French parliament went ahead with their vote without some negotiation with the Kanaks, shows a certain amount of detachment from the reality of the island. Violent outburst were to be expected.
don't think anyone in the world would accept the reason to delay a vote, until we are sure we have more that vote our way as a reason to delay it, covid or not.
There was an agreement called "Les accords de Nouméa" signed in the 80's. 3 referendums were to be held. 3 times they voter to remain french and the current vote was part of this agreement. Why negociate?
According to the Noumea agreement, the three referendum, regardless of the result, were to be followed by a transition period during which NC status and its relation to France were to be renegotiated. The independantists basically boycotted these negociations.
not really
they could not pospone the vote. The chosen dates were engaging and it would have represented a severe breach to the accords cancelling them alltogether. It was a political move from the independantists to destroy the agreements. They boycoted it to keep the face because kanaks were going to vote against independance.
I sympathize with the native people wanting independence, but their method of doing so is just not one that is acceptable in today’s world. If they succeeded in preventing residents voting because of skin color not citizenship/residency status, that would make an apartheid government.
Lmao how can they be an apartheid government if they’re not in power bozo
I hear you but it is a really tough nut to crack. When you look at places like Canada where the indigenous people are measured as a single-digit percentile of the population, it is clear that an independent homeland is not in the cards. But for the Kanaks, it is still within reach. You don't have to look very far in history to find examples where the elite class of a country played hanky-panky with referendums to get the results they desired. Encouraging influx of mainland French citizens is really not much different than Beijing encouraging Han Chinese settlement into Tibet or Xinjiang - but they are viewed in very different ways.
Many angles to this topic. It would be great if it were simpler but it is a tricky one.
bozo the clown here
Theyre all just pro western cope clowns. As long as its the red white and blue enslaving ppl instead of the white red and blue, everything is right in the world. Thats why we need to get behind RUs. They are the only force on earth brave enough to challenge these people and strong enough to persevere. @@biteof78
@@biteof78 hes saying it would be if they were in power
Even if the situations are quite different, its a bit of nonsense that currently french citizens living in the island, contributing to the economy for more than 10 years can't vote for local election and meanwhile in mainland france most illegal immigrant have very high chances to receive french nationality and vote in any election within 10 years too...
Nationalism rarely brings good.
You care about economy, Kanaks care about their ancestral homeland. Different, incompatible values. Throwing money somewhere doesn't mean everything is for sale.
Illegal immigrant don't have a higher chance of becoming citizen, that's total b.s.
@@Bb13190 Actually, he's not that wrong, of course its not "high chances", but its very much possible here in France.
@@jumoz0 You dumb? Would you support restricting people of color's votes in mainland France because the French are "caring about their ancestral homeland"?
wait, why does the French have a colony named new Caledonia. Isn't Caledonia, Scotland?
It was named by James Cook, because the north eastern part of the Island reminded him of Scotland.
Let's be honest for a second, France should just give the island to Scotland.
it was discovered by a brit and he named it after Scotland which is part of UK.
Even tho he discovered it, France colonised the island
Also interesting is that among the parts that in the 2018 referendum voted for independence, against the "loyalists", is the "Loyalty Islands", the three islands to the N-E of the main island. Suddenly that name doesn't fit well.
Well, the brits have a colony called Malouines…
Also worth noting that just because people voted to remain part of France it doesn't mean they want further integration into France either.
comme ci, comme ça...
Respecting the constitution of equal rights and not restricting votes based on race is too brutal ? It's just a minority that lost and is bitter. They hope that if votes didn't work, violence will
@@XEnzo68 think you replied under the wrong comment
@@XEnzo68 what ever happened to fraternity?
I get wanting to go your own way, but do they realize that if they go fully independent they’re gonna end up, absolutely poverty stricken without the financial support from France. They’ll end up just like numerous other sad and decrepit island nations.
Yes like the Vanuatu or Solomon Islands
@@MrShaaaaaaaaarkNone of your business, if they end up poor on their land and country or rich.
What matters is that their country and land is occupied by France, from which they want freedom.
@@archockencanto1645 they voted 3 times to stay with France so you are wrong
@@archockencanto1645 yes none of my business. But they’ll be a poverty stricken wreck, so whatever. You do you.
At least they'd be free
Basically , they are angry that french taxpaying citizens are getting the right to vote . Their behaviour is spoiled.
They are entitled to have their own country and the French have to go. It's as easy as that.
@@urknall2010 They are not. No one is "entitled" to anything. The results are clear: New Caledonia wants to stay French, and these quasi-terrorists must learn to respect the democratic vote.
They’re spoiled…. For rejecting their colonists? Be serious
@@urknall2010 But we all know, as do they, that if France leaves : the economy of the Island will skyfall and that China will then move in, making it basically the same situation as it this now, but with an another flag..
@@urknall2010 they keep voting to stay with France though
this presenter is so good at his job! better than any tv anchor
The NC issue is a very complex one, but it is over all a decolonization issue. The 1988 accords paved the way for decolonizing, the ultimate result aimed by the 1998 accords is independence. The referendum were not supposed to be about 'is it your final say?', they were supposed to be 'are you ready yet for independence?'.
The real problem is that NC people were supposed to build their future country and define what is this country's citizenship. They have not been ablebto carry out that work. So the 1998 status quo which was supposed to be a transition is lingering...
After 1988, France was supposed to ne a referee overseeing the process that had to be managed by NC people between themselves. Now France is putting pressure on NC people because they have not been able to define their citizenship, their 'common destiny' as stated in the accords.
France has made a mistake in rushing things suddenly, but at some point when people are parting, you cannot stay halfway, things have to be done properly. More and more people in mainland France are now fed up with this everlasting process, for a territory that has already acquired much independence but for which we have to send money.
Local politicians are to blame for having delayed the process, France for not checking that the process was stalling. Now we are in a situation where we have a French territory where French citizens arrived or born after 1998 are 2nd class citizens. What should have been a process for an orderly independence, a sustainable and well prepared one, is failing due to people wanting de facto indepence while keeping the mainland subsidies.
Blame the Caledoniens (really Pied Noir equivalents) for this not the Kanaks.
This video depicts all kanaks as independentists, which isn’t the case.
It omits to tell that most of the protesters are young people and their main motivations are for pure identity reasons. Yet they are totally free to express and celebrate their culture with no restriction, NC benefits from a large autonomy while receiving a ton of economic support from France.
Independency would be economically terrible for the island, which would become a prey for china
then why does france think they own black people's lands 10000 miles away?
@@classclown888why you’re a big racist think land is a porpety of a skin color ?
@@classclown888 these are not black people. They are polynesians. We are not talking about Mayotte or Reunion.
@@classclown888 Kanaks are oceanians, not ethnically africans...
And NC IS France and owns itself.
You seem to be the kind of people that idiotically propagate hate rather than rational solutions
"and their main motivations are for pure identity reasons"
Yeah that's how independence works
Unlike the British which generally withdrew from empire peacefully, the French won't leave until they've been forcibly ejected by war. As with Vietnam, as with Algeria etc. the chances of the Kanuks achieving independence via peaceful means are slim.
True...AND also hypocritical to protesting Russian actions in Ukraine while the French are imposing colonialist actions in New Caledonia.
The British sure left behind peaceful situations in India/Pakistan and Israel/Palestine, didn't they. Not to mention that bastion of peace and harmony, Northern Ireland.
British owns 16 territorys 😂😂 that have no people only Gibraltar 😅
Don't forget the best part, they try and portray their colonialism and the actions they took to preserve it as "Beneficial"
@@edmerc92But only the french are evil, right ?
Part of my family live in New Caledonia and want it to stay part of France.
Are they Kanaks?
@@modo1896 good question, colonizers love the bootlickers we all know that
In 1853, France took over New Caledonia, and used it as a penal colony, transporting 40,000 convicts there from 1864-1897. The French intentionally populated the territory with French citizens, displacing the Indigenous Kanak communitie
They did the same here in Algeria, and fun fac, they kicked Algerians out of Algeria to Morocco, Tunisia, French Guyana, and even new Caledonia, there is small Algerian minority there whom were kicked from Algeria and were brought to Caledonia and were made slaves who worked all the labour work
NO to colonialism !
Why is European Union not CRITICISING France regarding the TikTok ban, they be pretty quick to shout Human Rights violation when the Asian and Arab nations do the same. Hypocrisy at its finest.
The oppression people have to suffer today, ugh!
Because not banning TikTok is like selling arms to your enemies !!!
Hold off on the hostilities until after my cruise has visited in May 2025.
After 3 referendums that they lost, finally allowing people to vote that have lived there for 25 years the rioters went wild. That‘s the best reason against independence.
Only two referendums actually matter, the third one was made without the kanak people
And at each referendum, the Kanak massively voted in favor of independence (above 75%)
But the french are more numerous even without the extension of voters, because New Caledonia has always been a population colony, first where France would send its prisoners, then some of its population.
Kanak are massively poorer than french, more left-leaning than the french population on the island and have been asking for independence for decades.
The natives*
@@astralp4292 the third referendum was boycotted by the Kanaks not „done without them“. And what‘s the point. Just ignore all the other people on the island simply because the Kanak have been there for longer?
So they don’t want a democracy, they want an ethnically defined dictatorship in which the majority has no political rights. France is right to oppose this.
@@astralp4292nothing says democracy quite like disrespecting the democratic process.
No won 2 times, they knew it wouldn't work so instead of respecting the democratic process the kanak themselves agreed to in 1998 they boycotted it. Because they didn't like the results.
Also isn't it fancy people claim great replacement theory is false when it's done by non europeans but it's real when it's done by european lol. Europeans aren't replacing natives anymore than arabs are replacing whites in europe, this is a hideous double standard. These people have lived for 25 years on the island and are deprived of voting right which means they are under represented and the kanak have an injust stranglehold on the local institutions.
@@astralp4292 The kanak had their say in all three elections.
They chose "abstain", but that was still a choice.
Now they have to live with the consequences of that poor decision. And it is 100% their own fault.
France should give up all its colonial possessions; Kanaky, Maohi Nui, Martinique, Corsica, Guiana, Guadeloupe and others.
France is correct. Boycotting elections and referendums is just plain stupid
There’s a tiny issue in equating the situation of Europeans debating over immigration policy they have always* been in control of with situation of indigenous people favoring the same sovereignty Europeans* enjoy over their countries, but being denied this by the votes of immigrants who arrived under immigration policy obviously not of their own volition does not work.
That is, these are meaningfully different circumstances that so completely diverge on the implications of immigration they cannot be categorized as anything but polar opposites.
Instead, a better comparison to the former would be a majority native decolonized (ie. sovereign) nation adopting restrictive immigration policy and/or an ethnically restrictive voting franchise. *That* can be criticized on the same terms. Not this, however.
I don’t think I’ve seen a more flagrant false equivalency in my life.
*There are plenty of notable exceptions as I’m sure have already been noted or will be.
Polls show majority of population in literally every European country is against more immigration from MENA, in some countries like Greece even up to 90%, but it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. It just continues regardless of how we vote, so who really is in control here?? Certainly not the European peoples. We ARE being colonized by force, not by choice.
Well, many Europeans actually don't feel that they are in control of immigration, they feel invaded, even if their leaders allow it. And many Canaques have long accepted and benefited from European immigration too. I think this colonization versus immigration argument is mainly BS used by many to hide their deep racial bias. They support Canaques without knowing anything just as they support Indians or Palestinians for one main reason: because they are not white.
There is no faster way to radicalise a demographic group than taking away their voting rights. If the Kanaks got everything they wish for (voting rights only for natives + independence) there would be mass demonstrations by métropolitaines, maybe even an insurrection. My country tried something similar, when it took away the voting rights of former members of the Nazi party after WWII. Turns out, excluding a third of the adult population from the democratic process leads to them binding together, founding a new party, gaining enough leverage to regain their voting rights and stick around. Today this party is my country's second largest party and its leaders fall over themselfes to suck Putin's cl*t.
Nativism is a toxic ideology regardless of which native group is supporting it
If this country gained independence, it would look like Haiti in a year.
Fiji is probably the more apt example.
Can’t believe it’s 2024 and there is still the belief that the local people are unable to rule themselves and the colonialists should save the native population from despair. If France cares so much about the local people while don’t they just invest in the territory after letting them go free, through business negotiation and at their free will? I’m from Vietnam here.
France: Support wokeism.
Also France: Still have colonies around the world. (Sugarcoating as "overseas territories")
France banned inclusive righting lmao, they aint woke
We actually don't support wokeism.. maybe some students in college
maybe that's cause they don't actually support "wokeism"
I mean, I get it why the people are protesting.
But maybe that's a little short sighted. Most of these small island countries/territories couldn't maintain themselves.
It's a really dangerous gamble to become independent. It can become better, but there is also a high chance it's worse.
100% ils nous coutent un pognon de dingue, sans la France ils ne se seraient jamais développés
Same thing was said about Niger. They kicked out the french and started selling it's resources at market value and now they are the fastest growing economy in the entire world l. France is a 3rd rate country and a bad partner
Exactly, their nickel mines are not profitable at all. The french government is literally taking debt on its shoulder for them to survive. If they become independent, it would be a great opportunity for Chinese investors to come and make that country a debt slave.
Become better how? History suggests that if independence is granted, most French people (the skilled labor) will leave.
@@ced6528 Funny when Russia has the same opinions it's viewed as imperialist.....🧐
New Caledonia gaining independence would be disastrous for New Caledonia. It will get a lot poorer
It is perhaps not a surprise that a majority of the increasingly mixed population thinks independence is a stupid idea.
So? At least the Kanaks would be running their own show.
It is better to be poor than to be replaced
So the kanak people should keep working like slaves for French settlers to enjoy their land because it appears that the country’s gdp is good on paper?
I wonder how you’d feel if a foreigner was exploiting your land, living a better life than yours in your own land. After colonizing and torturing your ancestors.
France ranks second to the united states of countries with the largest EEZ. Its a massive country if you also add its marine territory mainly by its overseas territories.
Losing New Caledonia is like losing property. Nothing changes
Yes I remember the French playing Roblox and Fortnite while fighting the rioters.
Why should the Kanak have so much say over the island, disproportionately more than European French people who immigrated there? Also, France played a major role in building the island and independence should not be something that HAS to be considered. Upholding human rights and freedoms is what France should guarantee, not necessarily independence.
1) the Kanaks are the indigenous people of the island, they never agreed with French people settling there.
2) the Kanaks never asked France to invest in the island and a wealthy colonizing country investing a lot of money is no justification for continued colonization.
Have you heard about colonialism? You are being rather silly. You are saying that the native North American Indians should be grateful for the hands out given then by the white settler/colonists?.The point remains that it was pure greed on the part of white settler/colonists which their used to seized other people property.
Because it is their homeland. If you enter *my* house as a guest you will never be entitled to participate in its decision making *you are a guest.* Residents born outside a territory should *never* receive citizenship or the right to vote under
Because they were there first, and in many people's eyes being "indigenous" means it's ok to be racist and anti-immigrant. Unless of course you are an indigenous European.
@@atlas5653 There is a difference between being a racist and just not wanting to be replaced. The survival of most peoples relies on them being a majority in their homeland
Oh boy.
For the sake of the Europeans and the Kanaks, the French need to remain in New Caledonia. If the French don't remain in New Caledonia, racial discrimination against the European migrants will be frequent. The same thing literally happened to South Africa after Apartheid was outlawed.
They need to realise that diversity is their strength
Ethno-nationalism is good and based when its on our side
There is nothing stronger than own control on other's money... The colonialists did it in the centuries past, now the locals are doing to the French in new Caledonia
@@RMProjects785 Ethno-nationalism is never good nor based.
@@ektekp 100% agree.
Humanity as one, not divided into arbitrary categories, is the best path forward.
@@RMProjects785 That is a beautiful sentence but not all humans are treated equally so that is idealistic. Look at South Africa, Nambia or any country where the wealth is kept by a small few, who share the same ethnicity. While every local is living in shanty towns and poor urban areas.
Its easy to make beautiful sentences when you get to ignore and not experience in the worse position because of arbitrary categories.
Its easy to say money doesn't matter when you are a millionaire, to say height doesn't matter when you are 6ft'4+ or anything or said thing. You only understand adversity when you are suffering not when you are living with the benefits from day 1.
I don't hate white people. Originally in my country we had Italian settlers, we had no issues with them and even attempted to co-exist with them which went pretty well there were industries being made there were misunderstandings and differences but people were attempting to understand each other. We as a people don't care about color much because skin tones from our families can very from basically white to the darkest black. But the issue is when the white population began to make an apartheid state, banning our people from entering our own lands we had lived in and then forcing our people to become forced labourers & war conscripts (because Italy wanted to expand it colony) and we had to suffer for it primarily due to our ethnicity & those "arbitrary categories". So in my opinion by researching history, I believe people can't coexist if they natives are being mistreated, no amount of sugar and spice is going to convince them that their treatment is right and that they are supposedly being treated equally. That they should accept it and pretend they aren't being harmed & mistreated.
Bougainville moment
The opposition between Kanaks (indigenous people) and Caldoches (descendants of European colons) is too simplistic. Kanaks (including mixed-race) represent 40% of the population of New Caledonia. They are overwhelmingly pro-independence but not entirely. Caldoches represent 25% of the population. They are mostly for staying in France but many are pro-independence too, or at least for a deeper autonomy. Then there’s many recent immigrants (since the 80s). Some are from France but most are from neighboring countries like Indonesia, South-East Asia or the Pacific Islands. These people are often the most anti-independence. Their social position is often already fragile and they are afraid that it will worsen with independence.
wow .. Did France still own New Caledonia? .. i thought Colonialism was dead and gone .. they used to test nukes on the tropical pacific islands not that long ago ..
On that basis should Australia hand back the land to its rightful owners?
@@daniellesoulard5215 yes and hawai should be free too
Without France, China moves in.
So what
@@TheDukens90 genius
@@TheDukens90 then communism takes over the world, you want that?? have you studied the history of communism? they jail innocent christians, this is communism
@@TheDukens90 not really getting independence then are they
@@TheDukens90independence ain’t happening if it’s likely the kanaks will just ditch France for China
Ask Putin to provide referendums within all parts of Russia & let's see what would happened !!!
france is an autocracy?
@@Cmoky3rd of course not
@@siorac69 yes it is, they still have colonies, colonizers should leave
@@bukhariapdelahi7072 No it's not.
France should keep on doing what it is good at which is...
1) Drink Wine
2) Smoke a cigarette
3) Talk about Filosophie
4..wave a white flag.
Updated
France should keep on doing what it's doing which is
1) Drink Wine
2) Smoke a cigarette
3) Talk about Filosophie
And Then.. May be
4) Chat Up Movies in Cannes
5) Dress up for Fashion in Parees
6) Wave a White Flag
Some secessionists and turbulent youths itching for a reason to start trouble.
Order will be brought back.
The current electoral system was made to be temporary by the last agreement signed.
It is totally warranted and justified to change the system toward more democracy now that the previous agreement has come due.
New Caledonia must be free from French colonism
They are.
@@mareritteneall those of French decent must go home to France
@@mareritteneare not
@@marerittene They are considered part of france
@@marerittenethey not
Why do people call them "colonists" if they are white, legal immigrants... but "migrants" when they are dark skinned and/or illegal?
None of you are being consistent.
Because some people can't understand that without france,New caledonia would have probaly been one of the poorest countries in the entire world.
@@phantomgaming563doesn’t matter, they should be independent. Who cares if your poor, rather be poor and free
@@streamelements770do you know how idiotic that statement that you made was.
They are colonists. The original inhabitants were not consulted when the French shipped their white prisoners to the islands.
@@robertdlucas7418And you do realise that it's because of france that new caledonia is one of the wealthiest islands in the asia-pacific😂.
All French colonies began to want to be independent and get out of French influence, just as happened in Africa, French influence began to be abandoned by making friendship with Russia.
Total nonsense. There was an independence referendum just two years ago and the population voted to remain a colony of France. This was the second such referendum that voted to remain with France. December 2021.
They may gain their independence but over time, they will lose all the skilled workers there as well as French subsidies and the island will sink into poverty. Of course they will blame the French for that, claiming that colonisation brought them misery.
Macron is definitely going to regret this electoral reform business. In the grand scheme of things, that issue matters very little compared to the blow back of this unrest, whatever the outcome.
If it was up to this minority new caledonia would be a ethnostate,The status quo would have become worse and worse with time and someone had to do end it.
Macron never regrets anything. He has way too much pride for that. I challenge you to found one example of him admitting a mistake. Good luck.
The riots only started because China told their agents to escalate. Communist party is already a warning sign, because they are always serving another socialist colonial power, but combined with the disgusting fascist ideology they embraced, its totally obvious nobody acts on the natives behalf.
Macron literally admitted that his stance towards Russia was wrong...
@@theemperor-wh40k18 I hate the Macron slander tbh, I think he's actually been a really good president who's just had to make some hard but necessary decisions.
I know many Kanaks who are loyalists. Don't assume all kanaks are independentists.
Nationalists is generally used instead of ind..ists I was surprised that it was actually a word
Like who were those loyalists?
aahh you found me
@@idontneedfriendsbutmyselfd3076 people with a Kanak descent
@@klausjack8731 Like who? Tell their names if you and them are brave enough
France has lost its foreign empire in the past two years, especially in Africa. Macron made historic mistakes in overcommitting to the war, and essentially lost everything (even on the streets at home). This will be nearly impossible to undo, and leaves him with only dead end escalation to delay the inevitable. By the end of this if France loses its Security Council seat and nuclear monopoly in the EU, it will be the end of France as a any sort of world power.
0:11 is the look you get when you are a student and got the hots for your teacher.
Given that France allows New Caledonia to vote for voting members of the French Parliament this is one of the few instances I support the European power and am against the side I ideologically prefer. New Caledonia is a part of France but also needs to be treated like it by the French government. As a core territory of France, New Caledonia is one of the least developed regions of the country and deserves a higher standard of living for all.
The video said that GDP per capita is almost as high in New Caledonia as in Metropolitan France, in part due to the high subsidies...
And crimea is russia
@@IconoclastX I dont think you understand why I support New Caledonia being part of France. France unlike Russia has a multi-party system with frequent changes in government. It is much more democratic than Russia.
I actually support Crimea, being part of Ukraine because Ukraine is more democratic than Russia on similar grounds as New Caledonia.
@@FlatteringOwl GDP per capita does not equate to average wage, living standards and civil rights.
how can they be considered a 'core' territory of France when they are 17,000km away? They aren't even part of the same geological landmass!
The arrogance of white people, they think land is theirs just because they plant a flag on it.
Macron has been as sleek as an enraged elephant bull.
People, this is the first channel that allows you to post a comment. Don't be surprised if it's taken down.
If France is putting money in more then taking out pay royalties for mining etc
Here is The Great Replacement theory in action, natives being replaced
Kayak say no more imigran from Paris. And more France ilegal imigran Come to rake in nickel riches
the kanaks are conspiracy theorists and racists! They need diversity
The term in current academic lingo is "settler colonialism."
@@guybeauregard It's just add because it's atypical to think about colonialism from an impoverished poor people towards a wealthy power nation/people... but if we look into the history of germanic settlers into the roman empire and how literal migrants was the cause of the fall of Roman empire... It's a hard concept to grapple with when discussing settlers/colonialism in the reverse direction- but it is just as destructive.
Although the violence is horrible (especially towards people and businesses who have nothing to do with it), France has been quite annoying in holding on to its territories, and the 2021 referendum wasn't fair, as the COVID-19 pandemic was disproportionately affecting Kanak communities, so that's why they wanted to postpone it, but the French settler population pushed it through anyways, because they feared they would lose if the pandemic ended. Because of that, the Kanak population boycotted the referendum, violating the basic principle of the whole process in which the population of an island votes on its future, as the referendum was rushed through in a moment where one vital community wasn't in a proper position to vote, and boycotted it because of a perceived bias by the other.
Even though I condemn all vioence against people and businesses who aren't involved in any way, I've been becoming increasingly angry at France's foreign policies towards its current and former territories, as in Africa many countries were forced to sign an agreement with their colonizer to grant them unprecedented control over their natural resources and politics in exchange for independence, and when some of them tried to rescind those deals, like Togo in the 1960s, France instigated military coups to install friendly governments to replace them (Togo is still in a military dictatorship today). And even though you might think that they would have only done so in the Cold War and not today, I'm not so sure about that, as many have complained about France's undue influence today, making those countries fertile candidates for anti-French resentment (Like Mali and Niger, where France gets a lot of their Uranium); In fact, many of those countries have suffered military coups by disgruntled officers in part because of this, and have allied themselves with Russia, which isn't a good alternative either. That's how tragic the situation is, and it doesn't help that France's foreign policiy is arguably neo-colonialist.
A very true and sane post.
And they think they can tell Russia what to do in Ukraine.
The reason why Kanaks wanted to postpone the referendum was because electoral lists were frozen to those who were registered in 1998, but that doesn't apply to Kanak people as they claimed and were granted a different birth law. As such, over time with people registered in 1998 dying, the proportion of Kanak voters among allowed voters could only grow. And they wanted to wait for the time when they would become the majority voters by denying the rights of others to vote. In cancelling that "1998 freeze", this makes it impossible for kanak to win independence by their only votes, hence the uprising.
Fundamentally, the deep problem is that Kanak people deny the right of non-Kanak people to live on the island. That is the core of the issue and the one and only reason why non-Kanak people reject independence. If Kanak people were more inclusive and would allow equal rights to non-Kanak people, independence would be a lot more popular on the island, as it's very obvious that it makes no sense to remain dependent of a country whose mainland is 10,000 km away.
So today I've learned France has a foreign policy towards its own territory.
Pathetic comment that cannot hide underlying francophobia. The casual Françafrique bs, with more bs on NC. France is so evil it granted several referendums to it's territories, kanak separatist (let's mention to your ignorant mind that not all kanak are separatist unlike often depicted) lost not 2 but 3 referendums despite favorable and undemocratic voting law. eViL fRaNcE !
Y lo que todos ignoran es que las islas Insulares del pacífico están condenadas ante el avance del cambio climatico y la subida del nivel del mar.
Why the heck French colonialist still got "enslaved" territories around the world thats what really outrageous
Let's sum it up : kanaks want to decide who has the right to vote based on the race ? Yeah, I think France should stay...
More like kanaks want to keep their island and their culture.
@@andycockrum1212 I think they are overreacting a bit (maybe not I was never there) but for me I'm from Brest which wasn't french but then was declared as a part of france and we still have our culture and everything and I know we have racists in France sadly but I really hope we won't have a civil war
@@andycockrum1212 Yeah, a brilliant culture of racism they have going on. Do you think Germany should have kept Nazi culture too?
@@andycockrum1212 So if the French wanted to keep French culture and banned all non-French from voting you wouldn't call it apartheid? Don't be a hypocrite.
@@woodfaith Brest joined France 800 years ago and is contiguous with it. New Caledonia is clear on the opposite end of earth and they have no shared history or culture. I hope there’s no civil war too and if the majority of kanaks want to remain in France, they should. But if the kanaks want independence then it should be given with no fight
The Chinese are very interested in New Caledonia, they would like to chase the French from the Archipelago. Not to help the Kanaks, they don’t care, the Nickel ore has a lot of appeal.
I’d say they share and understand the struggle as China was colonized once by the entire West and the trauma is still there.
I’d say they share and understand the same struggle as China was colonized at one point by multiple Western countries and the trauma still lingers today
So the descendents of colonialism are not guilty of their forefathers crimes? That seems to be the general conversation on these posts. The colonised just have to get over it.
I suppose the people who think like that will also think the same about the Brits and the British empire?
What do you expect from them? Just remember what they did with Algeria
They will soon run out of countries to exploit. Terrible injustice.
This territory is not exploited it is a net drain on resources.
@@the500mphtortoise The only reason they are "subsidising" are the massive amounts of nickel deposits which makes them so kind harted.
Looks like the french have still not learned anything from the countless colonial conflicts in the past.
I think they just did.
Who gets to keep the nickel plants?