Patrick Madrid | Apologetics Techniques That Anyone Can Master
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- Patrick Madrid delivered this talk, “Nine Proven Apologetics Techniques That Anyone Can Master,” at the 2019 Defending the Faith Steubenville Conference.
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Patrick Scott Hahn Steve Ray Tim Staple reason im Catholic today after 26yrs of evangelical Protester ,these guys are the big 4
Im curious how a protestant pastor lands on their feet professionally after leaving their denomination and financial security. I recognize it as a really tough spot for conversion for some protestant pastors so i just want to know what you did for coin after converting? If its not too personal
@@kodingkrusader2765 It definitely is a challenge for them. Not only financially but socially. They usually end up ostracized from their family, community and friends. I’ve heard testimonies of pastors with PhDs who end up working as waiters in fast food restaurants earning just a small fraction of what they used to earn. But their love for the Truth and our Lord strengthen them to overcome these difficulties.
Nowadays, The Coming Home Network ( chnetwork.org/ ) helps people who want to convert with whatever they might need during the journey.
You can watch many of those testimonies in the Journey Home program in EWTN’s channel:
th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=journey+home+former+minister
or in the Coming Home Network’s channel:
th-cam.com/users/ComingHomeNetwork
Welcome home. Jesus bless you.
@@franciscorojas390 .. Marcus Grodi.. From the Journey Home Program was a pastor who converted..Mother Angelica gave him his break on EWTN..and he has tried to help converted pastors ever since! I love watching his show...it strengthens me as a cradle Catholic!
You should add Brant Pitre. Then you have 5. 🥰
My sister was estranged from our family for nearly 20 years. Her husband, who was a virulent Anti-Catholic had forbidden her from communicating with our family, or attending Mass. She wandered with him through Calvary Chapel and other Protestant sects, finding no true solace because something was missing. One day after moving to a new town, and driving by a Catholic parish on her way to work each day for three mos. she went into the Church, noted the Mass times, and started to attend Mass secretly.
A few months later, she told her husband that he had to put on some clothes, someone was coming over for dinner, and he could not hang out in his underwear. Well he refused, and when the Pastor of the parish showed up, and was introduced to him, he told the priest, "I hate you for seducing my wife into returning to the Catholic Church, and I hate the Catholic Church because it teaches lies." Well Fr. asked him what he did not like about the Catholic Church, and after listening to a litany of horrible things, Fr. replied, "You know I hate those things too. It's too bad none of them are actual Catholic teachings."
Five years later he joined my sister and a group of people in Rome for the ordination to the Diaconate of a neighbor. Before the private Mass celebrated by the same priest who came to dinner, my brother in law was baptized, confirmed, had his marriage to my sister con-validated, and began his life as a daily communicant.
Eight years later, he died, his last words, "My Jesus, My Mercy." living his Catholic life crediting the Divine Mercy of Christ, and the Green Scapular I handed him with the statement, "Don't tell me you are afraid of a piece of green felt." after he told me that I was a devil for tempting people to believe in a False Church, and as a priest must be a wicked man.
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Thank you so much for this beautiful, deeply moving story. It brought tears to my eyes - good ones.
Ezekiel 36:25-26 prophesies that I will sprinkle clean water upon you to cleanse you of all your impurities, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. I will give you a new heart and place a new spirit within you.”
You say that Luke 11 teaches all you have to do is ask, and only ask, but scripture elsewhere trachea differently. That leads me to the conclusion that you must ask and be baptized.
In Luke 3:21-22, Mark 19-11, and Matthew 16-17 all show the Holy Spirit coming upon Jesus after baptism. As a show of what we must do. We must imitate Christ right?
Furthermore it is explicit in Acts 2:38 that you must “repent and be baptized… and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
Baptism is a free gift, but we must ask of the Lord and follow his commands as shown in scripture.
Why, may I ask, do you take like 11 as the word of God, but not every verse that says what baptism does and why it is necessary?
You claim we contradict the word of God in Luke 11, but do not consider that your belief contradicts all the verses I posted. So if they are both the word of God, they cannot contradict.
The Church teaches that a life in Christ is a process. So you call on the name of God and you are saved. Then you must follow his commands to remain saved. So faith clearly comes first, otherwise there is no life in Christ. Repentance follows, as you must turn away from sin. Baptism follows that, as you must be baptized as taught in the gospel.
If you were to die between the time you had faith and before baptism, as long as you had an intent to be baptized, the Church teaches you will go to Heaven. It is a process that takes a lifetime. Not one moment of faith.
Consider that throughout his epistles Paul talks of having been saved, being saved, and going to be saved. Past present and future. If you have an open mind, I would suggest going to Catholic Answers and looking up the article about it.
What an amazing talk. Really outstanding. I love apologectics but this is really one of the best talk I have heard. God bless Patrick, a great defender of the Faith
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
You would love Dr. Jay Smith. He’s great on Islam and it’s lies.
"Let God do the heavy lifting, let him do the converting". So true. Thanks Pat.
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
It may be new to some religions but we've known God for 2000 years now!
The final story about Bob, reminds me of a joke a Baptist Pastor once told me. "How can you tell the difference between a Methodist and a Baptist?" " A Methodist will say Hi to you in a Liquor Store, a Baptist will duck and hide." We are all sinners in need of Christ's Grace (to paraphrase Pope Francis first interview after his election) Pray for me a sinner.
I lived in Blairsville Georgia for quite a few years Blairsville Georgia is The Bible belt. north Carolina is about 10 miles away people that lived near me went all the way there so they would not seem buying alcohol because they were Baptist lol
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Thanks for your talk,i have learned a lot from you that will help me to continue defending Catholic faith,may Almighty God bless you Patrick
Hi Sir Patrick , my Name is Mari a cradle catholic. I think that you are right in saying" let God do the heavy lifting". I have met a persian speaking (from Teheran, Iran ) woman with Islamisch faith here in Vienna ( can speak maybe 60% English and 10% Deutsch) in 2016 and i befriended here. Little by little i told her about God through my Roman catholic faith to the extent of inviting her to see inside one of the many churches in Vienna Austria. She refused bcus as she said she has no time. I said to God during one of my prayers..." i have done my Part Lord, you do the rest. We havent seen almost a year and on Sept 2022 we met and i was informed by her that she is already a Christian. "Oh" ..i exclaimed and she furthered...in an evangelist- protestant church i was baptized. (In my mind, maybe God wanna starts her to allow to read more of the Scriptures thru a protestant mentor because i myself just read few verses and can hardly memorize them except Part of Ps 23 .
Before christmas we met again and i gave her a new Rosary and she was excited in accepting it. I think Mama Mary will do more of the conversion process.
After i watch your Video today 7.1.2023 i learn much from your and Scott Hahn's Videos. Gott behütet euch!
Wow! I learn a lot thank you 😃! God bless!!!
He got me on that last scene...Catholic has a good sense of humor.God bless you Mr.Madrid❤️
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Very good points, you are watching a master at work.
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Jesus started Catholic church
Really amazing i love to be among the Catholic Faith Defender🥰♥️🙏🏻
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Thank you Sir for living and also sharing the Gospel
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
This was a great talk, Thank you for sharing it.
Thank you so much for this! What an insightful talk! Love from the Philippines 🇵🇭
I love Patrick , and Scott and Tim Staples😊
I love hearing Patrick talk. Amazing video
Thank you Sir.
May God bless you with long years at his service
Very smooth presentation. I do appreciate the fact your approaches work well, but also note they do so because of your knowledge and experience in interacting with people in this mode. Thank you for the video. I will take notes. My approach sometimes has an edge ... i.e. confrontational ... I'll try to work on that. I went that way because being 'nice' with Protestant family members for 40 years was being interpreted as endorsing their position as equal in validity to my own [Catholic]. Now I recognize them as those who do not accept the Eucharistic Christ as valid ... and have left them in the hands of our loving Lord who assigned them that matrix to begin with. They have had masses said for them every week for a long time. I need to get out of the way and let God do with them whatever He wants to do. They CERTAINLY have tons of Catholic grace in their spiritual bank accounts.
Thank you! ❤❤❤
I loved this talk. Thank you so much 😊
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Thank You so much. Enlighten. Big hug from Indonesia.
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
very informative and enlightening as usual thanks God bless
Indeed, "Let God do the heavy lifting!" Bravo.
Good talk. The last one got me 😂
Protestants don’t believe in the Eucharist as being the Body and Blood of Christ. Read 1 Corinthians 11:27-30 where it explains “So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. That is why many of you are WEAK and SICK and some have even DIED.” Does that sound like normal bread to you? All the early Christians and church fathers believed the Bread was the true Body of Christ.
All of 'em? Every one of those early Christians? How early was that? Did all those cursed, "Judaizers" who never once heard Jesus or the Scriptures utter a word about people being permanently separated from God by their human natures believe in Transubstantiation?? Incidentally, most Protestants, despite the evidence of their own lying eyes, believe that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ. What a weird and profoundly ignorant accusation to make. Roughly the level of, "Catholics worship statues". And 1 Cor. 11:27-30 doesn't, "explain" anything It states a belief. At least for us poor Hell bound skeptics who don't simply accept groups of people who declare themselves to be infallible and who soon begin punishing people who disagree.
@@davidmeyr4558 All of 'em? Every one of those early Christians?
De Maria-Yes, in general.
Meyr- How early was that?
De Maria- Well, at 33ad, when Jesus was crucified, the only Christians were the Apostles and their disciples. So, approximately 5000. The early Church, as I understand it, is designated from that point up to 400ad and the Nicene Council.
Meyr-Did all those cursed, "Judaizers" who never once heard Jesus or the Scriptures
De Maria-I understand Judaizers to be Pharisees and Jewish priests who had converted to Christianity. Therefore, they would have heard of Jesus and been very well versed in the Scriptures.
Meyr-utter a word about people being permanently separated from God by their human natures
De Maria-to what is this in reference? I've never heard of that teaching.
Meyr-believe in Transubstantiation??
De Maria-Yes. Although the word had not yet been coined, they would have to believe that Bread and Cup were communion with the Body of Christ. (1 Cor 10:16)
Meyr-Incidentally, most Protestants, despite the evidence of their own lying eyes, believe that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ.
De Maria-Originally, that was true. Just from my own experience, I've yet to meet such a Protestant. I've only heard of them on the internet. Nonetheless, their understanding of what happens at communion, is not described as Transubstantiation. They blatantly deny Transubstantiation.
Meyr-What a weird and profoundly ignorant accusation to make.
De Maria-Which accusation? Do you mean his statement that "Protestants don’t believe in the Eucharist as being the Body and Blood of Christ."
I don't think it either weird or ignorant. I think you'll be hard pressed to find any Protestant today who will say, "the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ." They will say, "it is a symbol of the Body and Blood of Christ".
Meyr-Roughly the level of, "Catholics worship statues".
De Maria-I'm glad you agree that is an ignorant statement.
Meyr-And 1 Cor. 11:27-30 doesn't, "explain" anything It states a belief.
De Maria-Hm? I'm sure it explains that belief. After all, St. Paul was writing to the Corinthians to explain their newfound Christian Faith. Let's go over it. Notice that, at this point, St. Paul is complaining about how they behave during the Lord's Supper
*21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. 22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.*
Apparently, some Christians are treating the Body and Blood of Christ as an ordinary meal. _HA!_ I THINK WE'VE STUMBLED UPON THOSE CHRISTIANS WHO DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT EUCHARIST IS THE BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST. Anyway, that's besides the point right now. As St. Paul is explaining to them of the difference between their meals at home and Our Lord's Supper.
*23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. 27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.*
and so, we see that it is, in fact, an explanation.
Meyr-At least for us poor Hell bound skeptics who don't simply accept groups of people who declare themselves to be infallible and who soon begin punishing people who disagree.
De Maria-You appear to believe the Scriptures, although you seem to disagree with the Church as to how to interpret them. However, as for "declare themselves infallible". I'm afraid that it is God who declares the Church infallible in many places in Scripture. These are my favourite:
Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
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Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Fr. Mitch Pacwa has debated Walter Martin. This is available to watch on TH-cam. Just search for their names.
Hallelujah
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh JESUS CHRIST IS LORD FOREVER AND EVER
Amen
I never said you stole money napkin idea!!!! Brilliant!!!!
“To study the truths of religion, not so much to know, as to practice them; to listen to the Divine Word, which speaks more to the heart, then to the understanding; to know, and to do what is necessary for salvation, is the true science of a Christian. I am weary of speculative knowledge, which does not change, nor move my heart, but only flatters the curiosity of my mind; I am tired of knowing, and saying so much concerning eternal truth and salvation, and yet doing so little to obtain it.” - Chapter III ‘Of The Doctrine Of Truth’ found in the book titled, The Following of Christ, by Thomas A Kempis.
Search and destroy versus search and rescue great
Chemical interaction 'accounts' for love, friendship etc.
What happened to the laws of harmonetics when you interpret.
Many Protestant denominations just go by the arrogance and hate of their founder Martin Luther .
Many catholics go by hate. Keith Nester comes across that way.
@@colepriceguitar1153 both Catholic and Protestant go by hate but Protestant are the master of hate.
@@user-hm4zx4tj5s They are? Who slaughtered the opposing side for disagreeing with them.
@@colepriceguitar1153 they did what the Bible says to do. The killing came from both sides.
@@user-hm4zx4tj5s where does the Bible say to kill those who disagree with you?
Catholics should produce more men like Pat
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh very well noted. I hope you find time to study and research which is the church founded by Christ himself. Not just the bible but other sources of knowledge as well. And remind yourself that you are not the first one to read the bible.
@@voxnonvox6382 Hi. Thanks for writing. Back in the fourth century AD, the church at Rome had been purged by the fires of persecution. Yet, is the Catholic church immune to the cycle of depravity that has plagued Israel and other churches? For example, prior to the time of Christ, the Jews were the light of the world. They were led by righteous rulers such as Moses, Joshua, and King David. Yet, there were also wicked times under Ahab, Asa, and Solomon who led the nation astray. Is the Catholic church invulnerable to straying from the pure faith? For example, Paul wrote that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, he should be accursed; how much more should the Catholic church be held in check by the Word of God?
In ancient Israel, it was the Word of God that brought them back. It is your charge to love the Catholic church and to point out how she has strayed from the pure gospel of Christ. For example, take the gospel: Paul wrote, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10.13)." You have a choice; either say that Paul is wrong or reject Catholic doctrine, you cannot do both!
In fact, so far, no Catholic has had neither the courtesy nor integrity to answer a very simple question: is Romans 10.13 true? If yes, then you can by saved by calling on the Name of the Lord; that meant that baptism, communion, and all other qualifications are not necessary - lest you tacitly accuse the Chief of Apostles to be apostate!
Only one Catholic, though heretical, had the integrity to answer according to Catholic doctrine, saying, "No, it is not true that whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Concerning Sola Scriptura, you do not just 'add' to the Bible, you contradict it! I am, therefore, concerned that Paul's curse is upon you. I pray that you will pray for the Catholic church and take up the mantle of King Josiah: rent your clothes, call for a solemn fast; the Catholic church has strayed from the law of God.
Most importantly, I hope that you will get to know Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh first of all, what is your religion? If you are the true Church, who is your founder? If it is not the true Church then all your talk is done.
@@voxnonvox6382 My religion is from the Bible, "True religion, undefiled, is to visit orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unspotted from the great filth of the world." What religion are you? Who is the founder of my religion? It is Jesus Christ Who said, "If you continue in my words, you will be my disciples." Was Jesus telling the truth? If I continue in Christ's words, am I His disciple or is He wrong? Jesus said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." So, if I ask God, I can receive the Holy Spirit, to be born again, made into a new creation. Is that true or is He wrong?
Is Christ the cornerstone that the builders rejected here? Will you, as the religious leaders of Christ's day, deny the Word of God for the sake of your tradition? Paul, who was the founder of gentile churches across the Middle East wrote, "Even if I (Paul) were to preach a different gospel, let me be accursed." So, do you obey your tradition or do you obey the teachings of Paul? You cannot do both!
For example, Paul wrote, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved"; is that true or is he wrong? If you agree, then calling upon the Name of the Lord - not following your traditions - is salvation.
Moreover, I called upon the Name of the Lord and was filled with the Holy Spirit - just as Christ promised. Yet, you seem to want to deny the beautiful simplicity of the gospel - ask and you shall receive! I hope that you won't wind up in hell! Christ died on a Cross so you can know Him personally. Jesus is the founder of His church. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Add Brant Pitre to the big 4.
I in fact, DO want to force my "opinion" (e.g., abortion is murder) on ALL others, such as Americans, by helping to establish legislation/laws which OUTLAW 'legalized' abortion. Then, we'll continue to teach folks how to appreciate this "opinion" of ours. Just sayin'. :) ~ Doc Phil TY for this presentation. Much appreciated.
Jesus said, "Ask and you shall receive," which is my own testimony. That is, raised by an atheist, I heard the gospel for the first time at age 17 through a Catholic movie about Jesus. Shortly thereafter, I walked onto the lawn of a church one night, looked up at the cross on the steeple, and prayed my first prayer, "Is there Jesus? I would like to meet Him!" When I met Christ, all heaven filled my soul and it felt like my heart was made out of gold. I have been great friends with Christ ever since.
However, Catholics teach that baptism and communion are necessary for salvation - all with no assurance of salvation. That said, in 45 years, I have not had even one second of doubt that I know the Lord and am bound for heaven - not even for a second. The Apostle Paul wrote, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10.13)." Yet, Catholics teach, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized, and partakes of communion might be saved." Which is the true gospel? Paul wrote that whoever preaches a different gospel should be accursed.
Christ died on a Cross so that, just by asking, we can know God. Adding any other condition to being saved is to pollute the pure beauty of the gospel. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Can you show me where the Church teaches the Eucharist is necessary for salvation?
There is no assurance of salvation in the gospel. Romans 11:17-24 shoes the Jews were broken off of the olive tree, and gentiles were grafted in. But it warns that if you do not remain in His kindness, yo I too shall be broken off.
Hebrews 10:26 states that if you deliberately sin after receiving the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for you.
You must persevere in faith.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 shows even Paul has a fear of not attaining salvation despite the fact that he is a chosen preacher.
@@IG88AAA Hi Nate. Concerning assurance of salvation, Romans 11:17-24 states that, if we boast above the Jews, if we do not remain in God's kindness, we will be broken off. Hebrews 10.26 is somewhat similar, that for those who deliberately rebel against God, there is no workable sacrifice for them.
Yet, the reality, for those in Christ, is that they will continue in love and kindness, that God will prune them so that they bear more fruit. That is, if a person loves the Lord, they will follow the Lord. Yet, if they do not love God, then they will vaunt themselves above others, they will rebel against God. These verses certainly do not negate the assurance of salvation.
Moreover, I Cor. 9.27 is one of my favorite passages. It says that all compete, but not all win the prize. That is, my prize is to hear my Father say, "Well done." Again, this verse is not about losing salvation, but I train my body, I take vitamins and go the gym. Why? So that I may fulfill everything my Father has for me to do on this earth.
However, you did not quote Romans 8.16, "The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we the children of God." Do not forget the qualifier, "If indeed the Holy Spirit dwells within you." Do you have a witness of the Spirit that you are saved?
Moreover, which child betrays the Lord: a child of God or a child of satan? For example, Judas did not lose his salvation; he was never saved. As Christ said of him, prior to his betrayal, "Yet, one of you is a devil."
Furthermore, does a child of God love God? A it is written, "Love never fails" and "Love endures all things." Hence, if 'love' fails, it was never love in the first place. A child of God would never betray God. Hence, there is no person in hell tonight who was formerly saved, yet lost their salvation. Conversely, if a person loves God, love ALWAYS endures to the end.
Christ died on a Cross so that you can be secure in His love. On a personal note, since I dwell in the heavenlies with Christ, since the Holy Spirit abides with me, in the past 45 years, I have not doubted my salvation for even one second - not even for a second. There is nothing special about me; God holds the same for you - if you will believe the Bible.
In fact, if you wonder if you are saved, you probably are not. Do you know Christ? Are you filled with the Holy Spirit? Will He know you when He sees you or will He say, "Depart from Me; I never knew you."
I hope that you will get to know Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@po18guy Hi. Thanks for writing. Are you aware the the Apostle Paul rebuked Peter, as Peter had fallen into doctrinal error (Galatians 2)? If you love the church, correct her according to the Word of God. Just as the Jews of old called their beloved Jerusalem back to the Scripture, so if you love your church, call her to the Bible. For example:
Paul: Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10.13).
Catholic doctrine: Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall NOT be saved (i.e. baptism, etc. is necessary for salvation).
Finally, you said that I should "Learn." Please tell me, then, the 'true' meaning of Romans 10.13. Should I forsake the gospel of Jesus, Who said, "Ask and you shall receive"? Shall I forfeit eternal life for the temporary traditions of men? I hope that you will get to know Christ. Get assurance of your salvation through being filled with the Holy Spirit. Jesus died upon a Cross so that, just by asking, we may know Him. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
This guy looks like Ned Flanders 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I was waiting for Homer to tell him to shut up 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Or maybe the comments here, as they are on many Catholics sites, are moderated so as to keep out any who are inquiring or critical or skeptical or... Seems to frequently be the case on Catholic channels!
Let us know a specific comment posted by a specific person on a specific channel. That way we'll be able to tangibly stop that practice.
It's good that it happens so frequently as you say, that way it will be easy for you to quickly show the Catholic world, the example 👍
@@zwijac
You want me to cite an example of that which I'm claiming doesn't appear? Check out some of the Catholic videos featuring Peter Kreeft and scroll through the comments there.
@@jessebryant9233 I'm not aware of censorship on Catholic sites. Since I'm not, I can't give an example.
Since you are, and since you know that it frequently happens on specifically Catholic channels, I thought you could give us an example?
Do you have an example, or are you just making the statement that it definitely happens, even though you don't know of a specific comment that was ever taken down?
@@jessebryant9233 I suppose, thanks for confirming that you can't provide an example of your claim, because the examples dont appear anywhere.
If you wanted other people to read your initial comment, to know it's happening and believe it......that typically works a lot better when your claims are founded 👍
@@jessebryant9233 👋 I gave it a try. I did what you said. Googled, Peter Kreeft Videos and selected "Becoming a Saint, the Practical Psycology of Sanctity".
But, when I checked the comments (only at a glance).....some examples are:
Someone claiming Catholics and Muslims do not worship the same god, as Kreeft believes.
Someone commenting on the church covering up sex abuse scandals, and sarcastically joking that maybe that's how you become a saint.
Another person, likely protestant, stating Kreeft and the church are wrong about how to become a saint (citing bible verse to prove him wrong).
Another person, likely atheist claiming that the Bible is a big joke, makes no sense and God is a fantasy.
I dont fully get why you'd want someone to go to Peter Kreeft videos so that they would have proof that Catholic channels censor or dont allow comments that are skeptical and critical?
This sure is going nowhere fast. Thanks for the opportunity to pass on truth in the name of God
It doesn't matter how sweetly you lie to a person. Religion is still a man made concept used to assert an authority that can't be disproven nor killed, but it can be manipulated by the church.
Jesus started Catholic church….Jesus is God. So it is NOT man made.
Jesus wasn't the only one to claim to be the messiah at the time. he was just the one chosen by the Romans to play the role. He wasn't god, there were not any miraculous acts of healing or multiplying bread.water into wine was nothing more than a placebo effect of there was any truth to that at all.
Religion was created at a time when humans knew nothing of our place in the cosmos. We thought disease was caused by bad air (aka the miasma). Most homosapiens at the time believed the world was flat and at the center of the universe. The bible mentions a flat earth.
To sum it all up you worship a man made idea used to keep you dumb ignorant and submissive to corrupt greedy lying scumbags
"Do not go beyond what is written"
Catholics don’t believe that verse.
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh I've received the Spirit. By BELIEVING. Methinks you have me mixed up with someone else
Here's what Catholics believe:
2 Thess. 2:15
"So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter".
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 you just have no idea what that oral tradition is.
Evangelism is like arguing with your wife, you can win the argument and feel power but then you sleep on the couch.......did u really win?
God made the birds and the bees.
I used to watch a lot of World War II documentaries. And whenever they would talk about how Japan invaded China. They would show the footage of some Japanese tanks rolling through the Chinese Countryside. Also the firing squads, soldiers executing civilians one line of them at a time. I watched many different documentaries and they would always show this one clip of this dog in the background just wandering around being a dog. It didn't know it was on camera, it didn't know it was part of History and it is long-dead now.
Bees are like that they don't know what's going on. We do though.
We can comprehend what's happening in front of us. Great Injustice like firing squads.
The dog was just doing dog things while the Japanese soldiers were lining up the people to be shot.
We can also comprehend Beauty. Most importantly we can comprehend our own death.
Do you think there's anything we can do? Or are we just waiting for the inescapable? Are we all lined up waiting for the bullet of time which never misses?
Anyway, there is a God.
He is actually the one who has sentenced everyone to death.
The Bible calls death "wages"
Which means "payment"
"The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus."
God is paying us for our sins. Death is our wages.
Have you earned your wages?
If God gives you death would it be payment for services rendered?
What if God paid you a dollar for every time you lied?
Would you have $100? 1000? Ten thousand?
How about using the Lord's name in vain?
Using Jesus's name in place of a four-letter cuss word.
This is called blasphemy, a very serious sin. Would you use your own mother's name as a cuss word?
Try another sin.
Theft. Have you ever taken anything that didn't belong to you?
Are you addicted to pornography?
The average young person in America spend 70 minutes a day on online porn.
I'm taking you through God's Commandments?
Have you earned your wages?
There is good news, though.
God provided you a way to escape death. How?
It's as simple as this, you broke God's laws Jesus paid the fine.
You might disagree with God's chosen punishment. But when Jesus Christ goes to the cross and takes the punishment himself, how can you argue with that?
What you must do is believe and trust that he has taken your punishment. If you do when your physical body dies your spirit will not.
If you refuse to believe. The only alternative is hell.
Do you believe in the operation of God in Holy Baptism?
Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through *the faith of the operation of God*, who hath raised him from the dead.
@@mdechristi I've been baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit according to the instructions in Scripture.
@@brianhale3678 So have I. The difference between Catholics and non-Catholics who are baptized according to the Scripture formula is that Catholics believe in the operation of God which gives us eternal life, whereas, non-Catholics believe its a mere symbolic washing. What do you believe? Are you Catholic?
@@mdechristi I believe the Bible, ma'am, if you can show me where in the Bible that I should join the Catholic church I'll do it today.
I doubt it.
@@brianhale3678 I believe the Bible, ma'am, if you can show me where in the Bible that I should join the Catholic church I'll do it today.
I doubt it.
DM-I'm used to having a conversation with people. Asking questions, getting answers. Being asked questions in return. Answering them. You skipped over all my questions and asked your own unrelated question. It seems unfair that you want me to answer your questions but won't answer mine.
Also, you seem to be under the impression that I want you to become Catholic. It would be wonderful if you did, but I'm of the opinion that you can enter heaven without being Catholic. But maybe I'm mistaken. Anyway, I asked whether you believed in the operation of God in the Sacrament of Baptism. Will you answer that question, please.
As for your question, the Bible doesn't use the word, Catholic. And the Bible says that it is God who adds to His Church, those who will be saved.
Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Now, the mathematical logic is unmistakable. The first Church was the Catholic Church. All other churches branched from it, including the Bible only sects. So, the Lord wants all to be Catholic.
Here's another question that I'd like you to answer. Please tell me where Scripture says that you should believe in Scripture alone?
Patrick Mahomes
PEACE TO BE CATHOLIC
27:44 "How did these books get here?"
Constantine. Council of Nicaea.
Was that when they combined the pagan stuff with catholicism and said "Catholic" means universal so that people would believe it?
Wish Patrick Madrid was not too afraid to have a conversation with me. Not a debate. An actual conversation about the truth.
Council of Rome 382 AD
Catholic does mean universal. So what? And no, it wasn't at the council of Nicaea.
@@chaldeang7687 So what? Are you having trouble interpreting the English language? Does your trouble interpreting the English language cause you to not understand the question?
Let me repeat it, since you seem lost.
"Was that when they combined the pagan stuff with catholicism and said "Catholic" means universal so that people would believe it?"
You're saying it wasn't the council of nicaea when the bishops decided that they would combine pagan religions with Christian beliefs to "unify beliefs"? Seems you are claiming that the historic record of catholicism is incorrect. Would you care to explain when that happened if it wasn't the council of nicaea?
Intelligent people don't just say, "no." Rather, they share where the one questioning is mistaken in order to offer correct knowledge.
@po18guy You don't have a rational response so you accuse me of being stoned? Why not simply respond rationally?
@@robbieestabrook8993 I've read the council of Nicea, it didn't mention the canon of Scripture or anything like that. The council of Nicea was formed to refute the heresy of Arianism and to proclaim the truth of the Divine Trinity and that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is equal to the Father in divinity. But I'm curious, what source told you that the canon of Sacred Scripture was decided upon at the council of Nicea?
How come the Steubenville Conferences use the logo of sun worship?
@CathoLisa41 Lisieux How come the Ohio flag uses the logo of sun worship then?
@CathoLisa41 Lisieux I think you're incorrect. I looked at the Ohio flag and it's not even the same.
@po18guy Where in any of my comments did I mention the word "pagan"? Are you so insecure about your religion that you can't even address the actual sentences that I write?
Neil Armstrong never walked on the Moon , but if we except that, it was a decent talk.
So maybe I'll just stick with my question for all the Catholic apologists out there: What is the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Roman Catholic Church? "...what must I do, that I may be saved?"
The issue of salvation, per the Holy Catholic Church, deserves more discussion than we are probably able to provide here. It's worth your time to read about it. But a really simple summary description would be Mt. 22: 37-40.
@@kdmdlo
So you can't give me the Gospel message then? That's not unusual... Also, no, Matthew 22:37-40 is NOT the Gospel. 1 Corinthians 15 would be a better introduction...
@@jessebryant9233 Well, in fact, I think I did answer your question. But you choose not to accept that answer. So be it. Pax Christi, Jesse. Pax Christi.
@@kdmdlo
You answered it-you just gave the wrong answer. You choose to shut your eyes and claim the gospel is what it isn't, even after being corrected. Well, that's on you, isn't it? (Proverbs 1:22, 26:12)
@@jessebryant9233 Listen to yourself, Jesse. All you want to do is "Own the Papists". There's no attempt to persuade, to be kind, to try to understand. Recall John 13:35.
As for what you consider to be the "right" answer ... my question is, who died and made you the infallible interpreter of Christianity and/or the Bible? In fact, I would suspect that you would claim that there is no such infallible interpreter ... only the individual's interpretation, guided by the Holy Ghost (though that argument doesn't really hold a lot of water, does it?).
Good luck to you, Jesse. Pax Christ, brother.
Protestant "DEFORMATION!"
Jude says THE Faith was ONCE delivered...and did NOT need to be "developed"
Catholics don’t want you to believe that verse.
@@colepriceguitar1153 Yep
@@shihyuchu6753 That's the whole debate. What was that faith that was once for all delivered? Catholics and protestants can debate that till kingdom come, but we know it doesn't change according to the whims of the Roman magisterium.
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Tell the to Martin Luther when he developed the 5 solas.
He's knows scripture but I change the station when he pushes his politics. why have you not prayed for the victims of the buffalo shooting
Nothing fails like apologetics. Well it goes forr prayer as well guess.
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
How can science tell you anything about God when, by definition, God is outside time and space? Pat means, "by my church's definition", but he no longer realizes that because, as he says earlier, "There's your truth, and then there's THE truth". Accepting new ways of seeing things is everyone else's job, not Pat's, from whose lips truth drips like the answer to Samson's riddle. Much of humanity has never defined God, or Gods, in that way, so don't patronize them by assuming that they do. Coincidentally, that confined definition would include Jehovah, who, like so many other Middle Eastern Gods, takes Chaos, churning water, "Tiamot", and creates order, earth. Not, "Earth" but rather land, earth. Unless, of course, you can convince yourself that first God created chaos and then sorted it all out. But since that's not what Genesis says, that would be forcing the story to fit later beliefs. Which is OK I guess, if that's the goal. This God who is surprised when he anthropomorphically, "looks down" from heaven to find Mankind building a tower to reach him and is worried that, "Nothing will be too difficult for them". This is not a being beyond time and space and directly contrast with the God later redefined by 300 years of Greek thought, usually construed as, "Progressive Revelation".
These techniques are pretty shallow stuff. Apologetics for people who are easily satisfied, which, unfortunately, describes most of us in one way or another.
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh Hello Ken. Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your sincerity but I'm afraid I don't think that either of your options are correct. Nor is Jesus, "The Light of the World". I expect that you will disagree with this but nobody has any idea what Jesus did or didn't say. To me, the important question is why you agree or disagree with that statement. You offered a statement of belief but nothing to indicate that the statement is true. I don't mean that the author of Luke didn't claim that Jesus said this but rather, whether or not Jesus actually did say it.. I suspect, and I'm happy to be corrected here, that it didn't even occur to you to provide some evidence to support the claim. I sympathize as it had never occurred to me either for the first 20, or so, years of my life. "God's word will not return void" and so on. Eventually, after being told, "Scripture explains scripture" for the millionth time, I began to wonder just who had made that decision, and when? How had the books in the Bible gotten there, along with what I was told was true about them? With some research, I learned that over the first several centuries, the Catholic bishops, the leaders of the religion, gradually winnowed down the early writings they viewed as authoritative until they developed a generally agreed upon collection. Some writings were more widely accepted than others over time. They also began to declare, based on their own authority, and probably beliefs, that various writings were not simply the writings of men but inspired by God and were thus inerrant and not to be questioned. They also came to insist that the church's Magisterium was infallible in matters of faith and morals and that all the decisions and doctrines they decided upon as, "The Church" must not be rejected. Not simply acknowledged but actually believed upon threat of punishment up to death, if you objected and didn't keep it to yourself.
I see absolutely no reason, or evidence, to support the Catholic Church's insistence on its own infallibility and since they created the Canon and developed the doctrines about both the Bible and God, there's no reason, beyond desire, to accept them.
Again, I appreciate your sincerity and thank you for your reply but there's no need to send me anything communicating your beliefs just like I wouldn't send you a note saying that God doesn't exist.. Respectfully, Dave Meyr
@@davidmeyr4558 Hi. Thanks for writing. I am bit confused by your post. On one hand, you give reasons for your beliefs, then you do not want to hear what I have to say. Just one thought on that: if you are trusting in your intellect to guide you, are you not fallible? Have you not been wrong about many things, many times? Are you not placing blind, unwarranted faith in your own powers of reason? Moreover, if you think about it, it is only if a person knows God personally that they can truly know anything; that is, a personal friendship with Christ is the only possible way a person can have any assurance about anything in life. Can you think of an alternative? The Christian faith is first and foremost a friendship with Christ. By that definition, you never were a Christian nor do you seem to understand even the basic tenets of Biblical faith.
I hope that you will have an open heart and mind to Christ - to actually knowing Him. As it is written, "This is eternal life, that you know God and Jesus Christ Whom He has sent." Simply to say to God, "If I am wrong. If hell is just and heaven is real, thank you for the gift of eternal life." Save yourself an eternity of pain. Keep the door open to Jesus. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh Hello Ken, I didn't mean to imply that I'm not interested in what you have to say. My interest in content simply relies on how a person demonstrates that what they're claiming to be true, actually is true. Thus, what you think is true about Jesus or Hell or any other topic doesn't provide much meaning in and of itself. One of Christianity's smartest strategies is to promote the false belief that intellect and emotions, beliefs and feelings are separate functions. So they can then insist that you can't trust your, "intellect" but you can trust your "beliefs". I imagine that this stems from humanities longstanding ignorance of the brain and other organs. So no, after a great deal of thinking, and more importantly studying, the issue, I completely disagree that believing in God, or Jesus, `allows you to know something for certain. I know from much personal experience that belief is a very poor way to determine truth. I am also very aware that I am often wrong. The issue here is not that I am putting my imperfect human mind up against God, but rather I'm putting it up against the fallible human brains of New Testament authors, and more importantly, against the early Catholic Bishops who decided on the Canon, that it was directly inspired by God, all the foundational beliefs they insist are true, and that they are infallible in matters of Faith and Morals. After several centuries, these Bishops, or their spiritual descendants, latched onto the Roman Emperor and quickly began to punish, and even kill, those who disagreed with their declarations and self-designated infallibility. I don't find that compelling and see no reason for anyone to refrain from using their intellect to question the original architects, and tenets, of Christianity.
I I don't know who taught you that Christianity is about being friends with Jesus but Christianity is the claim that humanity is inherently sinful and eternally separated from God and that God chose/had to kill something sinless in order to forgive mankind. Exactly how church leaders describe the role of Jesus' death in reconciling man to God has varied over time and between denominations. I assure you that despite what you've been taught, and currently believe, I was indeed a strongly believing Christian and understand the New Testament authors and Christianity sufficiently wel enough to grasp what is portrayed as, "Biblical" Christianity" but is, in reality, a reinterpretation and rootless adaptation of Judaism.
In relation to Christianity's separation of intellect and belief, it may be comforting invoke the old addage, "He has Head Knowledge but not Heart Knowledge". It's a complete fallacy, but it's your prerogative, of course. Better might be to embrace the open mind you encourage of me and bravely examine the source and validity of your own beliefs in the face of the tragic end fallible human intellects have assured you awaits anyone who reconsiders whatever your church portrays as, "True" Christianity".
I hope this was helpful to you.
Sincerely,
Dave Meyr
@@davidmeyr4558 Hi David. I can understand why you would not see the need to send a note saying that God does not exist. First, you are speaking in ignorance. I do not mean that pejoratively, as I think you will agree with me. That is, do you know that there is no God? To make such a claim, you would need to be omniscient and omnipresent, otherwise God could exist outside of your knowledge and experience. So, to claim that there is no God is the height of ignorance.
Yet, it makes perfect sense that I would share the gospel with you. For example, you speak of things like 'reason' and 'evidence,' presupposing the existence of God. That is, why is 'reason' good and 'irrationality' bad? Is there a universal right and wrong that I 'should' follow? You seem to imply that in your post. Yet, if there is right and wrong, then there is a moral law with consequences for both good and evil.
If you have been a good person, you have nothing to fear on judgment day. However, if you have lied, stolen, or used God's Name in disrespect, then God should rightfully judge you as a lying thief and blasphemer. Unfit for the perfect social fabric of heaven, you should be cast outside with the other lawless liars and thieves. Jesus said that there are torturers in hell. Of course, as your neighbor (so to speak), I should make every effort to urge you to get right with God through the blood of Christ.
Either that or, if you are to be consistent, you should not insist that people should use reason and rationale or that they should even treat you with respect. Anytime the word 'should' is used, there are only two options: you are either appealing to a universal moral law based on God's authority or you are claiming to be God, having the authority to tell others what they should and should not do. That is the damnable heresy of hell. You cannot say to your torturer, "You should not do that." Logically, do you have any means of saying that God is wrong to send people to hell?
You ask for evidence of God, yet your post assumes the existence of moral law, proving what the Bible says, "They know God, but suppress the truth in unrighteousness." I just hope and pray that you get to know Christ. Hasn't your thinking failed you for decades? Yet you still place blind, unwarranted trust in your own intellect.
I write this as a good neighbor saying that the way you are going is eternal torment. Moreover, if you really want the truth, simply say to God, "Jesus, if the Bible is real, thank you for filling me with the Holy Spirit." You can know instead of living in the darkness of your own human frailty and limitedness. The statement stands: Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
1. Lie and close your ears
Is this what you are trying to defend ???? Someone needs to ask the pope or Paula White who visits God in heaven regularly next time they see or talk to him why he made it so difficult for people to enter Heaven where it is impossible to sin , when he made the earth and everything in it .
He could simply have left it perfect instead of giving us the "choice " ??
Is there such a thing as a narcistic masochistic disorder ??
Ben Christie
2 months ago
Is this what you are trying to defend ???? Someone needs to ask the pope or Paula White who visits God in heaven regularly next time they see or talk to him why he made it so difficult for people to enter Heaven where it is impossible to sin , when he made the earth and everything in it .
DM-The answer is that He didn't. It is very simple to enter heaven. Just keep the Commandments:
Deuteronomy 30:11-14
King James Version
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
BC-He could simply have left it perfect instead of giving us the "choice " ??
DM-Perfection included the ability to choose. All we had to do is continue to choose to obey God. Unfortunately, Adam and Eve turned to another.
BC-Is there such a thing as a narcistic masochistic disorder ??
DM-Since you imagined it enough to put it into words, it may exist, if only in your own mind.
@@mdechristi Youre funny . Haha
If Patrick Madrid does ever actually talk to an atheist he's in for an education. Try asking (19:30) "What's your authority?" and when an atheist doesn't say "Science" and instead explains that they don't believe in god because 1. divine hiddenness, 2. the failure of Christ's return, 3. the unreliability of scripture, 4. failed prophecy, 5. Christians purposely misinterpreting Jewish scripture to support their own religion, 6. Bad Apologetics, he will then realize that the burden is not on them to disprove god, but for believers to show real evidence for god's existence.
I think Patrick can handle it.
edan pearson-If Patrick Madrid does ever actually talk to an atheist he's in for an education. Try asking (19:30) "What's your authority?" and when an atheist doesn't say "Science" and instead explains that they don't believe in god because 1. divine hiddenness, 2. the failure of Christ's return, 3. the unreliability of scripture, 4. failed prophecy, 5. Christians purposely misinterpreting Jewish scripture to support their own religion, 6. Bad Apologetics, he will then realize that the burden is not on them to disprove god, but for believers to show real evidence for god's existence.
DM-Lol! That's where you're wrong.
A. EP said, "the burden is not on them to disprove god".
It is if you're trying to disprove the existence of God to a person who believes that God exists. You see, there is evidence for the existence of God all around us. In fact, our own bodies are evidence of the existence of God. And this and other types of evidence, including Revelation have existed for millenia. Therefore, the burden to disprove the existence of God is certainly on the atheist. And guess what, "I don't believe it so it isn't so," is not acceptable evidence.
B. EP also said: "but for believers to show real evidence for god's existence."
DM-Believers have produced real evidence of God's existence for millenia. It is not our responsibility if atheists see the evidence and reject it. That just means they want to keep their preconceived ideas at the expense of truth.
@@mdechristi Atheists are at a disadvantage because it's hard to prove something does not exist. Not just a god but anything. On the other hand, it should be easy to prove something does exist, simply produce the thing in question. If atheists can't prove to others a god doesn't exist: we also can't prove to ourselves a god doesn't exist. This is why we prefer to say we are not convinced by the evidence rather than saying we know for a fact that there is not a god. I am not against a god existing; that would actually be very interesting. I am simply not convinced there is one. Notice how every example I gave in my original comment was not an attempt to prove non-existence but instead are reasons to doubt a god's existence. That's the best atheists can do.
@@edanpearson3314 Atheists are at a disadvantage because it's hard to prove something does not exist. Not just a god but anything.
DM-And so you have admitted that you were wrong on your first premise that Patrick Madrid would have trouble dealing with an atheist.
EP-On the other hand, it should be easy to prove something does exist, simply produce the thing in question.
DM-If you believe that Australia exists, please produce it for me. I won't believe that Australia exists until I see it with my own eyes.
EP-If atheists can't prove to others a god doesn't exist: we also can't prove to ourselves a god doesn't exist.
DM-Certainly we can and many of us have done so. I was an atheist for about 17 years of my life, and then the existence of God was proven to me.
EP-This is why we prefer to say we are not convinced by the evidence rather than saying we know for a fact that there is not a god. I am not against a god existing; that would actually be very interesting. I am simply not convinced there is one.
DM-Saying you are not convinced by the evidence is much wiser than that which 99% of all atheists I've met have ever said. Their argument consists of four words. I don't believe it. Although it amounts to the same thing as what you're saying, at least you recognize that we do have evidence of His existence which we accept and you do not.
EP-Notice how every example I gave in my original comment was not an attempt to prove non-existence but instead are reasons to doubt a god's existence. That's the best atheists can do.
DM-Agreed. In response, Believers have mathematical proofs, scientific proofs, mystical proofs and eyewitness accounts.
@@mdechristi Patrick Madrid's point was that while Christians consider the Bible their authority, atheists consider science their authority. This is an error in his understanding of how we should acquire knowledge. Not only can we not get knowledge from a boss, but it's also dangerous; what if the boss is wrong. Truth can only come from evidence. Suppose Einstein told people to just trust him. His theories made testable predictions and people used those predictions to make observations that confirmed relativity. A hypothesis needs to be shown to be able to accurately predict. There is a reason apologists use arguments rather than evidence; it's because they have no real evidence. It is impossible to prove something exists in reality from arguments; we need evidence. Einstein was proven right by evidence. Religious people need to be able to make predictions that can then be tested. Do that, and I and every atheist will applaud you. Your example of the human body is a postdiction, not a prediction.
And why do you not stand up for migrant women who were sterilized and migrant children .
Let us know the tangible ways you stand up for them, so that Patrick and all of us can do the same. What are the ways you tangibly stand up for them?
What a load of BS. It is really pitiable that Christians have to employ Apologists to defend their faith, when what is needed is personal experience of God. Spend your time cleansing yourself, watching your thoughts, obeying all of Jesus’ instructions etc to progress toward God, instead of going on an ego trip trying to defend your faith. When the flower blooms, the bees will come of themselves to partake of the nectar. Change yourself and you would have changed thousands.
Ears who do not hear
Pat Nathan-What a load of BS. It is really pitiable that Christians have to employ Apologists to defend their faith,
DM-This is what is called a "strawman argument". You've made up an idea, attributed it to us and then proceeded to knock it down. But, you're only attacking your own idea.
a. None of us have "employed" Apologists to defend our faith. But if an apologist is around, I'll certainly let him have his say when someone is attacking my faith. Otherwise, I put on the apologist hat myself.
b. A Catholic apologist is merely a special kind of teacher. One who specializes in educating a defiant student. He defends the faith by explaining the faith and identifying the errors and lies of the individual who is disparaging it.
PN-when what is needed is personal experience of God.
DM-An apologist has a very personal relationship with God. A relationship so close that when God is insulted, he feels obliged to respond.
PN-Spend your time cleansing yourself, watching your thoughts, obeying all of Jesus’ instructions etc to progress toward God,
DM-We do.
PN- instead of going on an ego trip trying to defend your faith.
DM-Lol...are you saying that you're on an ego trip right now? You don't seem to be following your own advice of the previous sentence. Are you cleansing yourself, obeying all of Jesus' instructions, etc and making progress toward God, right now? Because you seem to be engaging in apologetics. Something which you deem to be a waste of time.
PN-When the flower blooms, the bees will come of themselves to partake of the nectar. Change yourself and you would have changed thousands.
DM-Lol....Good advice. You might want to take it yourself.
I'll always defend the faith. So no....we don't live in an ideal, but rather a fallen, world.
Catholic apologetics are lost today, they are asleep. End of Catholic Church! Luke 21.
Wishful thinking😂
@@into-christ Wake-up!
Keep dreaming. God has raised up William Albrecht and Trent Horn for the next generation.
Jesus never left his Apostolic Churches, the only people who believe so have to select between one or both of the following blasphemies:
1) Jesus lied when he said he would be never let the gates of Hell overcome the Church
2) The Holy Spirit failed and fails to guide the Church.
Which one have you picked?
✔️Sorry spineless Patrick Madrid you should know that it’s a sin of omission if you don’t speak out against any type of law breaking clergy committing acts of sexual perversion. It’s not an attack on bishops or clergy to point out that they’re violating state laws and God‘s law by committing acts of perversion on innocent young parishioners. Don’t criticize church militant they are doing God‘s work.
God bless you David and all of us :) Let Christ be the Judge, Brother.
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Lol...you wouldn't debate him.
David R. Stone detraction is a mortal sin. Seemingly, maybe you should know that?
all false religions reject sola scriptura
Only ignorant people actually believe sola Scriptura
@@littleone1656 Its not ignorance to believe the Scripture. It's ignorance to NOT believe the Scripture
Why do you believe sola scriptura?
@@chaldeang7687 What do you mean by "sola scriptura"?
@@shihyuchu6753 The supreme and only infallible authority
Roman Catholic is paganism
Evidence is none
History is Evidence
Nope. Not even close.
Could be true.. Whatever that is.
Sana elcupa sed dfal deco soma pode awo
Lol 😂
If you’ve read Paul’s writings, you can’t be Catholic. This!
Jesus started the Catholic church.
What specific Catholic doctrine are you talking about?
Amen
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh the Catholic Church believes that though God is in the sacraments but He is not contained only through that, He can do as He pleases for He is a sovereign God.
@@remsaga Hi. Thanks for writing. It is written in the Catechism (1257) that baptism is necessary for salvation. Yet, Paul wrote, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10.13)." You do realize that you cannot believe both to be true. Moreover, if you 'prove' that baptism is necessary for salvation, you will only prove Paul to be a liar!
Jesus, likewise, preaches the beautiful simplicity of the gospel, saying, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Again, "ask and you shall receive; knock, and the door will be opened to you." Again, if baptism is necessary to receive the Holy Spirit, then these words of Christ are not true.
Each of us must choose whether to obey the Word of God. As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh since Paul is a priest a does the baptism, what is he doing anyway if he preaches and does baptism at the same time.
@@kenshiloh I can be baptized and also call upon the name of the Lord. The Lord sees our hearts, but why do I have to choose the methods of grace He conferred? Ill get them all. It is His will to get us baptized, I wont be arrogant and just call upon His name only.
Amen
Hi. In all love and respect, I hope that you will be open to the words of Jesus. He said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him (Luke 11.13)." Do you agree or does a person have to be baptized and receive communion to receive the Holy Spirit?
I hope that your faith is not preventing you from knowing Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.