Trent Horn | The Easiest Way to Defend Your Faith | 2021 Defending the Faith Conference
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- Trent Horn delivered this talk, “The Easiest Way to Defend your Faith”, at the 2021 Defending the Faith Steubenville Conference.
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I’m a catholic through and through even if I don’t have the answer but because of snide remarks which I cld not answer then, I started to do research and that’s how I started to understand my faith and I love listening to apologist. Thank you all.
I love my Catholic faith even more. Now I know why it is the fullness of truth. So much beauty, so much oral and written traditions given to us as a gift, etc.
Jesus Christ Never Preached Religion Or Faith , God Said My Name Omega or Alpha Man Made Denomination Names On Earth and Heaven Has Nothing To Do With Anything On Earth 🌍 All Of Man ‘s Dumb Denomination Names Are People Caught Up With Their Cultures and Traditions 👍
its a bronze age religion :). Bronze. Age. Religion. :) :) :)
Trent you and all your co-workers at catholic answers are truly a great gift from God! We all lament the great falling away from the church...but it is our collective duty as true followers of christ to share our faith! Thank you for giving us the tools! Amen 🙏
I see you don't know that God,Christ and Amen are pagansun deity names,pagan Christian.
Well said!!
Assuming you are referring to the falling away foretold in 2 thess 2, where Paul predicted the man of sin would show himself to be God? The pope is that man.
@Gary Stanfield we are all fooled but you
Jesus Christ Preached The Gospel of Jesus Christ His Teachings and Everything Anyone Needs To Do To Be Saved!! Jesus Christ Never Preached Denominations Names , These Are Doctrines Of Man Not Of Good, To Trent Horn Faith Cannot Save Anything Or Anyone , Faith Has Nothing At All To Do With Any Man Made Denomination Names . The Meaning Of Faith Is Something You Cannot See Fill Or Touch ,Trent and The Mormon Money 💰 Church and The Catholic Money 💰 Church They Want One Thing Only Money 💰 Money 💴 Money 💵 Money 💰 Tithing Was The Agreement Between God & Israeli Only Land Based Seed and Grain Only , and Remember Only The Tribe Of Leviticus Could. Every Collect Money 💰 and They Are All Dead, Trent Horn I’ll Debate Him Any Time Any Where 👍🙏
Jimmy Akin the Catholic Terminator!
"Come with me if you want the Way, the Truth and the Life!"
And of course one can't overlook the mystical coincidence of John Conner's initials lol!
CATHOLICISM IS THE MOST AMAZING & GREATEST GIFT. I Have questioned it studied it and Love to re embrace it
Did you study John 6:44 when Jesus says No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him while the catholic church teaches that Mary can bring you to Jesus 🤔
Jesus started Catholic church!
@@johnyang1420 proof from the bible the word of God
@@eddyrobichaud5832 why do you think every teachings of the Christian faith must come from Holy Scriptures?
@khoalam888
Because it the word of God. There is no other books that has been written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit.
I am NOT a Catholic, so perhaps my bias is different. My take: Trent, FANTASTIC apologist. He gives Grace, is humble. Great model for people. A really great video. I am a Greg Koukl fan and took courses a Biola's Talbot School.. My point, it so nice to see someone like Trent specifically mention how we talk to people matters. Don't turn someone completely away from hearing the Word.
I'm gonna check out Greg after this vid.
Why aren't you a Catholic?
Trent Horn you speak with such depth and respect
I love being Catholic
Thank you for helping me be articulate defending the faith with love
Trent Jesus Christ Preached His Gospel, But Jesus Christ Never Preached One’s Faith, Or Denomination’s , Man’s Salvation , Has Nothing At All To Do With Man Made Denomination’s 👍
12:23 “And then Jesus reached into his tunic and took out a microphone and he dropped it” 😂😂
That was amazing. I learned a lot. Thank you
This is such a good talk on conversation skill overall.
Asking good questions is 🗝️
Look, the best way to "defend your faith" is to live it with humility and charity.
I learn so much from you. Thank you Trent.
Keep on the good work for the glory of God. Bless you.
So, should I be surprised that this is exactly what the Holy Spirit has been trying to tell me for the past 6 months?
No such thing called a Holy Spirit.
@@garystanfield2274 why don't you think there's such a divine person called the Holy Spirit?
@@khoalam888 Few people today even know who the Messiah is. He is Yahweh Messiah, the Father in the Flesh.
THE SPIRIT
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU. [HE IS SAYING HERE, THAT HE IS THE SPIRIT]
Isaiah 2:10-11
10. Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of Yahweh, and for the esteem of his majesty.
11. The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and YAHWEH ALONE SHALL BE EXALTED IN THAT DAY.
Revelation 1:8 I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA,” SAYS THE SOVERIEGN YAHWEH, WHO IS AND WHO WAS AND WHO IS TO COME, YAHWEH.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, esteem thou me with thine own self with the righteousness which I had with thee before the world was.
Psalms 83:16,18
16. Fill their faces with shame; THAT THEY MAY SEEK THEY NAME, O YAHWEH.
17. Let them be confounded and troubled forever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
18. THAT MEN MAY KNOW THAT THOU, WHOSE NAME ALONE IS YAHWEH, ART THE MOST HIGH OVER ALL THE EARTH.
Malachi 2: 16 THEN THEY THAT FEARED YAHWEH SPOKE ONE WITH ANOTHER; AND YAHWEH LISTENED, AND HEARD, AND A BOOK OF REMEMBRANCE WAS WRITTEN BEFORE HIM, FOR THEM THAT FEARED YAHWEH, AND THAT THOUGHT UPON HIS NAME.
Isaiah 43:11 I, EVEN I, AM YAHWEH; AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR.
Yahweh the Father is Spirit and why no one has ever seen the Father. Immanuel told Phillip, John 14:6-29
6. Immanuel saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
7. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him.
8. Philip told him, "Master, show us the Father, and that will satisfy us."
9. Immanuel saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10. Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me(SELF SAME SPIRIT)? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me(THE SPIRIT), He doeth the works.
This is why there is no such thing as a Holy Spirit :
"HOLY" is derived for the divinely honored sun.
Holy, Holiday, Holy Spirit are all interrelated and come from the Hindu religion. The words are derived from "Holi" which is the great Hindu spring festival held in honor of "Krishna," the Hindu Sun-deity.
THE PAGAN WORD "TRINITY" - THERE IS ALSO NO SUCH THING AS A TRINITY.
"TRINITY" comes from paganism. The Trinity doctrine did not enter Christianity until the 300's. “The trinity got its start in Ancient Babylon with Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis.
Perhaps, however, the indebtedness of Christian theological theory to ancient Egyptian dogma is nowhere more striking than in the doctrine of the Trinity. The very terms used of it by Christian theologians meet us again in the inscriptions and papyri of Egypt.
Originally the Trinity was a triad like those we find in the Babylonian mythology. The triad consisted of a divine father, wife, and son. The father became the son and the son the father through all time, and of both alike the mother was but another form."
Most of Christianity teaches a Trinity doctrine that the trinity is 3 persons, the Father, Son and Spirit. In that case there should also be 3 thrones, yet scriptures teach that there is only one throne.
Psalms 47:8 Yahweh reigns over the nations; Yahweh sits on his righteous throne.
Isaiah6:1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the House.
Revelation 4:2 At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.
Revelation 3:21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Revelation 3:24 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Psalms 11:4 Yahweh is in his righteous House; Yahweh's throne is in heaven; his eyes see, his eyelids test the children of man.
Revelation 22:1 Then the Messenger showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
Just One Throne.
"The Puranas, one of the Hindu Bibles of more than 3,000 years ago, contain the following passage: 'O ye three Lords! know that I recognize only one God. Inform me, therefore, which of you is the true divinity, that I may address to him alone my adorations.' The three gods, Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva [or Shiva], becoming manifest to him, replied, 'Learn, O devotee, that there is no real distinction between us. What to you appears such is only the semblance. The single being appears under three forms by the acts of creation, preservation, and destruction, but he is one.' "Hence the triangle was adopted by all the ancient nations as a symbol of the Deity . . . Three was considered among all the pagan nations as the chief of the mystical numbers, because, as Aristotle remarks, it contains within itself a beginning, a middle, and an end. Hence we find it designating some of the attributes of almost all the pagan gods" (Sinclair, pp. 382-383). Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra are not deities different from Shiva, but rather are forms of Shiva. As Brahma/Sadyojata, Shiva creates. As Vishnu/Vamadeva, Shiva preserves. As Rudra/Aghora, he dissolves. An old passage states that “..Brahma is One, yet includes His brother. Vishnu is One, yet existeth not apart from His brother, younger in point of time yet older far. Shiva is One, and antedates Them both, yet He appeareth not nor is He seen, until They both have cycled through Their courses…." Egypt "The Hymn to Amun decreed that 'No god came into being before him (Amun)' and that 'All gods are three: Amun, Re and Ptah, and there is no second to them. Hidden is his name as Amon, he is Re in face, and his body is Ptah.' . . . This is a statement of trinity, the three chief gods of Egypt subsumed into one of them, Amon. Clearly, the concept of organic unity within plurality got an extraordinary boost with this formulation. Theologically, in a crude form it came strikingly close to the later Christian form of plural Trinitarian monotheism" (Simson Najovits, Egypt, Trunk of the Tree, Vol. 2, 2004, pp. 83-84).
"TRINITY" comes from paganism. Nimrod - Tammuz - and Semiramis; The first trinity Nimrod started the pagan religions, so they all started with him. Nimrod is the one who started pagan religions and the Trinity belief goes back to him, He turned his back on Yahweh and became the first False Messiah as Sol the Sun, that went by many different other names after the Tower of Babel, from the many cultures that came from Yahweh changing their languages and dispersing them,starting new cultures and beliefs.. The Trinity doctrine did not enter Christianity until the 300's. Ancient religions had triple deities:
Wicca triple goddesses Maiden, Mother, Crone.
Greeks Zeus, Posiedon and Hades
Is there a Trinity in Greek mythology?
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The Greek trinity and the distribution of the three kingdoms of the Earth: Zeus God (Heaven), Poseidon (Seas and oceans) and Hades (Underworld). Theos (minor gods) are the children of this trinity.
Romans Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto.
Hindu's Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. This one goes along with the beginning Hindu information.
Norse Odin, Vili and Ve.
Toaist
Image result for Taoist trinity
The first Pure One is universal or heavenly chi. The second Pure One is human plane chi, and the third Pure One is earth chi. Worship for the Taoist Trinity dates back to the 4th century.
Egyptians Isis, Horus and Seth. -- IHS is a popular Latinized monogram acronym from the Roman 3rd Century
Trinity: The oldest creed that Egypt had known for thousands of years was based on the Holy Trinity, the Father God Osiris, the Mother Goddess Isis, and the Son Horus, whom Isis bore without defiling herself.
Horus is the son of Osiris and Isis, the divine child of the holy family triad. He is one of many gods associated with the falcon. His name means "he who is above" and "he who is distant".
The SPIRIT is the FATHER. So, that takes care of FATHER and SPIRIT. The SON is the FLESH that the FATHER put Himself (who is Spirit) into FULLY.
John 14:16-20 - In these verses he is saying that he is the Spirit.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [ HE IS SAYING HERE, THAT HE IS THE SPIRIT ]
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty One, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The King of Peace.
Thank you so much Trent, for the information you share, helping increase faith and understanding! 💞🙏🏼
May the Lord always guide you and pour out his Holy spirit up on you.
Thanks for teaching and defending our faith.
Trent please bless yourself with conviction excellent talk
God is good,because he opened our eyes n heart to see where is the truth,and we find it to Jesus,🙏🙏😇😇
I love my favorite apologetics..Jimmy Aiken, Scott Hahn, Tim Staples, Trent Hornets..all converts❤️❤️❤️❤️
That Bill & Ted reference was funny 😄, may the Lord bless you all the time
Great talk! Thank you for the great ideas 😊
god bless u...
Wonderful strategy!
Really enjoyed!!!
Trent , espero en Dios y puedas reproducir un tema hacerca de cómo se reprodujo la humanidad , nos hace falta al pueblo catolico temas como los suyos en español, que Dios te bendiga
Fantastic
Very instructive!
Great video
The easiest way to defend your faith is to have it backed up by evidence.
In case you missed it, the pencil and cassette tape go together because, back in the day, you could rewind a cassette by sticking a pencil in the spool and turning it by hand. Ah, the good old days.
Rewind a what’s? Hahaha.
I never used a pencil to rewind the Tape, we just flipped it over. The pencils were used to fix the Tape if it came out. Some people used their fingers instead
Topic here why the don't let me in keep me in the dark.for7 years.now thank you
If you are looking for new avenues of evangelism, how about interviewing popular figures who are thoughtful and interesting. I would recommend Tyler Joseph of 21 pilots.
5:40 Karl Keating may be a real hero _for that day,_ but on issues like Evolution and Old Earth, he could use a bit more takes from earlier heros like Chesterton and Belloc. "Quotes" below are really resumés:
Chesterton: "the more I think about evolution, the less I find it believable"
Belloc: "Science is a guessing game, and the ice age probably ended 2000 years ago"
We need more young people come to apologetics
"This is my double standard, so it's okay" I'm reminded of Martin Luther, "I will it, I command it, and that is reason enough" Forgive me if I didn't get that Luther quote verbatim.
Trent horn is such a great man he’s also such a nerd in a good funny way.
Ave Christus Rex
Ave Maria
As a non Catholic Christian the thing that separates all other religions and Christianity is works .All other religions are works based .true Christianity says we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of god and are saved by the grace of our lord Jesus Christ.God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement through the shedding of his blood to be received by Faith .This is so non shall boast.After being saved we are filled with the holy spirit for the renewing of our minds and then we do good works in response to god's grace on the cross but I am not trying to earn anything and trust 100 percent in Jesus and the cross for salvation and what I do is out of love for god in response to his love and grace .End of it is finished !!!
Defend the faith according to whom.
1st peter 3:15
Jesus and his Catholic church
@@johnyang1420 not the Roman papacy' kind
Absolutely the papacy…read Pope Peter by Heschmeyer
@@johnyang1420 Christ is the eternal priest after the order of Melchizedek Hebrews chapter 7: 1-28.
I agree with questioning others to get information however I feel like you sidestep the original issue to just avoid it.
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I believe I’m a sinner and that thanks to Gods grace and Jesus’s work on the cross that as long as I have faith in Him He has saved me from my sins. Is that the bad news Trent wants to save me from? What gospel could possibly be better than that? I would appreciate sincere answers. Thanks and may GOD bless everyone
Am i wrong to assume that you believed in faith alone? Do you believe that a person has no accountability for his bad deeds as long as he had faith because Jesus had paid the price of his present, past and future sins once and for all on the cross?
@@justthink8952 You are presenting a false dichotomy. Jesus did die for the forgiveness of sins so that you may have eternal life. That’s not some kind of free pass to sin. I don’t know of a Spirit filled believer that would dare think something as gross as that.That being said the scriptures are clear that we are saved by GOD’s grace through faith and NOT BY WORKS. Do you disagree?
@@danpaulisbitski
Before I disagree or agree with your opinion, please clarify how do you receive God's grace of salvation.
What are included and what are excluded in order to receive God's grace.
Also define what is faith that saves a person
@@justthink8952 The condition God made for salvation is faith or trust in Him. Faith doesn’t save anyone. Only God saves. It’s not like faith or trust does the saving. Are u asking what does it mean to trust God or have faith? I’m not sure what u mean by the included or excluded question. I think a better clarification question would be what are you being saved from? That would be sin. It’s the desire to turn from sin and humble yourself and ask God for help. It’s simple on its face but what follows requires devotion and work. I hope that helps
@@danpaulisbitski
So, you are saying it is God who saves us from sin which is made possible because of our faith/ trust in God. What follows is devotion and work.
From your comment, may I draw a conclusion that God alone saves.
But the terms and conditions are
1. Have faith / trust (included)
2. Have devotion and works (included)
What is excluded is the type of work preached by the Catholic Church, right?
That first guy refused to even answer the questions cause he knew he was wrong lol
@po18guy good one mate, did that make you feel better? Lol
If Mary as mother of Jesus is mother of God simply because Jesus is God, were cousins of Jesus cousins of God?
Why is it important to know that Jesus had two wills, does he still?
Not two wills, two natures, human and divine. His will was only God the Father’s will.
Who, what, when, why, how?
Jesus started Catholic church in 33ad. Why? To help you to heaven.
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Yup, those are the question words you want to use. Include where? as well. Many times, anti-Catholics can’t answer where or how, but know (or at least claim to know) what, who, and sometimes when. Why, where, and how usually stump them.
This is Greg Koukl’s approach, explained in his book, Tactics. I was SUPER into this approach some years ago, but I’ve decided it’s not right. I’ve come to believe that as St. Peter informs us, apologetics is indeed giving a DEFENSE of the faith, a reason for the hope in us WHEN we are asked about it. This Koukl/Columbo approach flips that, such that we are the ones asking questions to challenge others to give a defense for their views. I think that’s wrong.
Jesus asked questions to people, yes, and we should follow Jesus’ example, yes, but in this case, I don’t believe it is the way to model Him.
Instead, I believe it truly is best to, as Jesus told us, preach the gospel - proclaim the good news - be a herald for the King of Kings! Without shame. And when people ask us of our hope, our strangeness, our way of life - we can then follow St. Peter’s instructions - to give a reason for the hope we have!
Just my 2 cents… ✌🏼
Trent why pray to Mary, is there an apostle who prayed to her ? Was this praying to mary a tradition passed by the early church fathers ? Or is this a declaration or revalation to one of your popes ? Anyone here can answer me ?
Tons of explanations about Mother Mary in Divine Mercy youtube channel. Search it use words 'explaining the faith divine mercy'.
@@induklife9939 you and 1.5 billion people are trusting the Roman Vatican church made of invented demonic tradition. Instead of reading from the word of God, these people are relying on the papacy, on divinity of Mary. You say this is the truth because it has been a tradition for 1500. You also say catholic do not need to prove anything ( ovbiously because youcant proove any early documents vindicating your marian dogmas and many other man made ways), it is your fav word to say "the absense of evidence/proof doesnt mean its not true".... This very statement is right out of the mouth of Satan. Trust the WORD of God and not the word of the Rome, a city whose historical roots and foundation are sexual immorality and paganism.
@@music20204 I haven't read all your blaff and I stopped at where you said 'read word of God'. Which words of God you mean? The one that Martin Luther translated or the Greek version? Just to be sure we have the same source first.
@@induklife9939 THE BIBLE, 66 books not 72. Then you will say ONLY ROMAN church knows what is the true word of God aka Roman owns the bible, even if your Marian Dogma, purgatory, papacy are NOT in the new testament. God uses Luther to expose the human invention of the Romans. Your allegiance is to the 1500 years of lies and human traditions not with God.
@@music20204 you might need to book a ticket and check yourself the dead see scroll in Jerusalem.
Once you get there, please remember to tell me if you find the 7 books that Martin Luther took out because they don't comply with his teachings.
I'm sorry to say, you got incomplete words of God, man!
It comes no surprise for Catholics that Protestants don't have full picture of God. Even words of God had been corrupted.
At age 75 I finally got it into my thick skull as a Catholic if I don't have the answer(s) talking with a non- Catholic I am not to be embarassed at all. Simply answer how much you can and tell them you will get the rest of the explanation later. Probably better, if you can, tell them to go to a video to listen to on the internet about the subject. "They can explain better than I can." Also, I try never to fall into an argument/debate. I start my explanation, and throughout the explanation, with "According to the Catholic Church/Faith ..." This takes the spotlight off you and puts it on "them," the Catholic Church. You become a "reporter," kind of. It keeps things from becoming heated.
Catholic Church have married Priest is bc they are converted from protestant church they also have a family I believe that if they are ordain catholic priest is bc they agree if current wife dies they can not get married again.💞🙏
Who say.that i am catholic
My faith centers on the miraculous and finished work of
iesous (the name Jesus invented, meaning zero!! No real names mean nothing, don't accept 'nothing'). Yehoshua, Hebrew, is my faith since His Hebrew full name says it all.
I neither ask nor answer questions. We share what we wish.
Until recently, I knew nothing of catholicism and would not have become catholic, now I have learned quite a bit, and absolutely - certainly would not be catholic.
It's alright. Just as we cannot force a horse to drink water, we cannot compel you to do things against your wishes.
Consider that you might be mistaken. Take RCIA
Good. The Bible identified the papacy as Great Babylon, the antichrist power.
@@TIJoe-te9qu
No. It is you who think the Great Babylon is the Catholic Church.
What you think and what believe is your business. But if you really care about belonging to the true Church, then you should consider the Orthodox Church, the Coptic Church, the Ethiopian Church, the Mar Thoma Church etc which are Apostolic Churches. The rest like the Protestant Churches, the Evangelical churches and the so claimed non denominational churches are all the daughters of the Babylon the Great.
@@justthink8952 They are all daughters of the great harlot, arrayed in scarlet and purple, sitting on the seven Roman hills? Look, I can't help that the Bible foresaw the rise of the papacy well in advance. It is what it is.
Maybe just do sign of the cross instead of rushed prayer😔🙏🙏
Joni doesn't know what love is
FAITH
is what made the Canaanites believe in their gods and sacrifice some of their babies to them.
Every one is accountable to wh at he has said and done in the day of judgement. Judgement is more severe for one who teaches. One should hold responsible for teaching and interpretating the word of God , not to introduce any heresy or unecessary human idea and theory.
Trent Horn, I know there's no relation, but are you familiar with the "little horn" of Daniel 7? He has 10 distinct qualities which together can ONLY apply to the office of the pope. Scripture warned us of his advent from.the ashes of pagan Rome. History cannot be altered.
The reason Protestants do not pray to saints which have gone on into heaven is that King Saul called on Samuel who had died and Samuel said he did not want to be disturbed. So this was forbidden. Also, you do not seem to know for sure who is in heaven unless there is some giant rigamarole concerning canonization. Plus, according to you-- we do not know how long someone is in purgatory, in which case, those there need our prayers and cannot pray for us. So, how do you know if, say your mother is in heaven or purgatory or hell for that matter since no one is going to canonize them?
Also, the church could be in gross error concerning who is a saint in heaven when they could be total charlatans who are in hell. Your tests for sainthood could be faulty.
Also, if Jesus saves and washes all sin, all stain away which would mean all flaws included-- although purgatory is explained-- it does deny the immediate and total effects of Jesus's death and ressurection to literally have His blood wash us white as snow and cast our sins as far as east is to the west. The passage you use by Paul which speaks about going through fire-- the person and the works may not be about purgatory as the church describes it at all. It could be a near instantaneous thing which occurs rather than a long drawn out torture waiting to be released into heaven.
See me in western Australia ok stop.talk with people if.you dont know.me.thank you
There is no more carnal church than the catholic church.
Treating Mary like she is the gnostic "goddess" Sophia should be explained in one of these videos. Not a troll statement btw. I would like it explained.
Tons of explanations about Mother Mary in Divine Mercy youtube channel. Search it use words 'explaining the faith divine mercy'.
Rico Bonifacio
Rico,
When people in ancient times realized the acquisition of wisdom (sophia in Greek) was being instrumental in their lives, they did not know it was the Holy Spirit, whom they were naming "Sophia", giving it such female name and identifying as a "goddess".
Christianity teaches the Holy Spirit is God and thus, is worshipped.
@@glennherron9499
Glenn,
Thanks for the question.
The Holy Spirit is one of the three persons in the Holy Trinity that is God.
In the early history of the Church, the question arose about the nature and place of the Holy Spirit who spoke through the prophets, who was active in Jesus during his public life, who descended on the Apostles at Pentecost and who manifested himself through many marvelous gifts imparted to those who believed in the Lord Jesus and had the hands of the Apostles laid upon their heads.
When theological reflection on Christian revelation began to develop in the third century and afterwards, there was some question as to the divinity and the personality of the Holy Spirit. In order to affirm both of these points of the Creed which states: “With the Father and the Son he (the Holy Spirit) is worshipped and glorified.” So, just as worship and glory are offered by Christians to the Father and the Son, so also are they with perfect right offered to the Holy Spirit. This means then that the Holy Spirit is co-equal with the Father and the Son in divinity and majesty.
It follows then that just as the Father and the Son are divine Persons, subsisting in the one divine substance, so also is the Holy Spirit. One of the clearest indications of this truth in the New Testament is the missionary formula at the conclusion of St. Matthew’s Gospel where the three Persons are mentioned and given the same level of dignity:
Matthew 28:18-19
18. Jesus came up and spoke to them. He said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19. Go, therefore, make disciples of all nations; baptise them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
That fact alone reveals the divinity of the Holy Spirit which requires His worship as God.
We say in the Creed that we “worship” and “glorify” the Holy Spirit. Worship frequently means “adoration” of God which can be expressed in many different ways: through prayer, sacrifice, solitude, penance. The main idea in adoration is that man, the weak creature, recognizes his creaturehood and therefore his total dependence on almighty God. When we “glorify” God, we praise and give expression to his infinite perfections such as his goodness, power and love. Thus worship and glory are offered to the Holy Spirit in the same sense as they are offered to the Father and the Son.
Thus a number of Catholic truths are expressed in the statement of the Creed. We are proclaiming that the Holy Spirit is truly God, since God alone can be worshipped and glorified by man. Likewise we are stating that the Holy Spirit is co-equal with the Father and the Son. He is the third Person in the Blessed Trinity who has been revealed to us in the Scriptures, especially by the life and teaching of Jesus Christ. He manifested himself in the life of Jesus; Jesus imparted him to his Apostles and to the Church; he has been operative in the church, sanctifying and encouraging, since Pentecost Sunday.
May God bless your discernment.
@@glennherron9499
Glenn,
Sorry but you are insisting upon a doctrine which isn't taught in Scripture, namely:"Sola Scriptura".
Such notion, as you know, was invented by Martin Luther in 1517.
Why use it?
Just think! There's NO 'apostolic index' anywhere in Scripture. Where did you get it from? I'll let St. Paul tell you in:
1 TIMOTHY 3:15
15. but in case I should be delayed, I want you to know how people ought to behave in God's household -- that is, in THE CHURCH of the living God, PILLAR and SUPPORT of the TRUTH.
The first official listing of all the books classified as "Divine Scriptures" or Word of God, begins with the words of the one authority capable of such important apostolic declaration at the end of the Council of Rome of 382AD:
This is the original document content, from which all Bibles originate:
▪︎Decree of Damasus
issued by Pope Damasus I
at the Council of Rome (382 AD)
IT IS LIKEWISE DECREED:
Now, indeed, we must treat of the DIVINE SCRIPTURES what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she must shun.
The list of the OLD TESTAMENT begins...
Glenn, it is by the authority of the Catholic Church founded by Christ that just like you believe in the Bible as Word of God as told to you and all protestants by the Catholic Church, the Holy Spirit is co-equal to the Father and the Son in the Holy Trinity One God.
May God bless your discernment.
@@glennherron9499
Glenn,
Once again I must correct your discernment. This time regarding the Mother of God as clearly revealed by the Holy Spirit in:
▪︎LUKE 1:41-43
41 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and ELIZABETH WAS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT
42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
43 And why is this granted me, that THE MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me?
As you well know Glenn, The Lord IS God. Therefore, the Virgin Mary is the Mother of Jesus who is God as declared by the Holy Spirit through Elizabeth.
For that reason the Virgin Mary is exalted as none other.
▪︎LUKE 1:46-49
46 And Mary said,
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden.
For behold, henceforth ALL GENERATION'S WILL CALL ME BLESSED;
49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
50 And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation.
I hope you include yourself in such generations.
May God bless your discernment.
If you want to ban abortion, you gotta look beyond legislation. How about make the world a place where IF a girl gets pregnant out of wedlock, at least we live in a society and economy that doesn't become such a threat to the livelihoods of both the parents and the baby...
Deflect and project. LOL
Why would an omnipotent being even need humans to defend his faith
God doesn't *need* anything from us. But, *we humans* need Him.
●●● DO NOT BE AFRAID !!!What is happening in the Roman Catholic Church, MUST HAPPEN:
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS BEING CLEANSED BY CHRIST:
EVERYTHING THAT WAS HIDDEN IS BEING REVEALED TO THE LIGHT
OF THE HOLY SPIRIT !!!
6:40 Sorry, Jimmy Akin can't come from the future.
Why? If the errors of Old Earth, Evolution and Heliocentrism are not expelled from the Church, it will have no future. Christ will have to come back to keep the promise of Matthew 28.
I'd say the easiest path to take is to keep your personal relationship with your god ... personal ... and don't try to compel others to submit to your faith based beliefs. Most atheists support the idea of letting people choose to worship as that confirms the ability of an atheist to not worship or other conform to theistic expectations. Many theists feel the need to force people to submit to theistic behaviors ... school prayer, displaying the Ten Commandments, banning liquor sales or any business operation on a day supposedly set aside for a god.
Trent is so clever with his questions, i you’re a 12 year old.
Did you debate with Trent? How was it? Can you send me a 🔗 of your interaction with Trent.
Try to form a proper sentence first!
SOLA ESCRIPTURA will destroy catholism dogma
Sola Scriptora is not biblical.
@@douglasbrodericksr2086 can I ask you a question Douglas? As a christian do you use ONLY scriptures to correct? Do you use ONLY scriptures for training righteousness and good works? .or not? That's what sola scriptura means, "only scripture" 2 Timothy 3:16.
@@douglasbrodericksr2086 see I told you, sola scriptura will destroy catholicism dogma
@@juliorivera870 In what way does that bible verse taught or mentioned sola scriptura? That idea has been misleading people from centuries. We need an authority that will tell us if our interpretation is correct and Godly. You need to look at the Catholic Church's catechism to clarify the scriptures. You might as well study the Church Fathers. Most of them lived a Christian life without the scriptures. In fact, Christians for the first 400 years live without the Bible. Understanding the Christian tradition is important. After the schism from 1054, there are only two denominations of Christianity. That is the Catholicism and Orthodoxy. However, both are similar in many ways. Why? Because the Church and its other traditions came first before the Bible and it was under the Church's authority that the Bible was canonized. Despite the split of the two denominations, they still preserved plenty of traditions from the Christian faith.
@@bowthor3203 stop that catholicism brain, I'm a christian not a Catholic paganism fanatic, 2timothy 3:16, use only scriptures, sola scriptura.
To me I like to listen to all kind of debates and talk and everything but Catholics sometimes makes sense but they are so many things which makes no sense like Catholics or Orthodox Easter dogs whatever it is how in the world can anybody go and worship with human being that's my biggest biggest problem with Catholics and Orthodox and other religion who worship human being if you don't worship why do you pray to them they are not able to forgive your sin or listen to your prayer they're dead do you think I'm so ignorant to believe they are not dead show me a single one alive
I think you need to study and learn the meaning and definition of "Worship", Catholics don't worship humans.
We pray to Saints in heaven for their intercession.. it doesnt have anything to do with forgiving sins...
You don't believe.had God its your openion. Thank you
God lovingly gave us 10 rules, right ..? commandments. When we break them and do what we want it truly hurts and makes Him sad. Please please consider what He says to us in the second commandment.... “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth” And it says we can not worship them .. They have eyes but they can not see you bowing before them and they have ears but they can not hear your prayers... They have a mouth but they can not speak to you. God Himself will and has spoken to us through His Word, the Bible. He sees you... looking at you with love. He is the only intercessor when you pray. Ask Him to show you and I think He will... He listens with lots of love and compassion.
You are employing catholic religious techniques and you call it defending the faith . I am asking what is the object of your faith ?
If papacy is true, we should all be Catholic. Papacy is true. Check out book Pope Peter by Heschmeyer.
Whats wrong with Catholic religious techniques? Jesus started Catholic church.
@@johnyang1420 Sorry but you just believe the catholic diabolical Lie ! The Risen Jesus Christ is not a religion and He never started any religion that is a grand delusion and you all never question and just believe as you told by other men . There is a scripture : the Blind lead the Blind and both fall into a ditch .
@@johnyang1420 I did extensive research on the origin of the RCC (catholic religion) and i found out they have been selling a grand delusion with totally false diabolical doctrine. All the popes are anti -biblical and so is the catholic version of Mary that is adored and beholden by all catholics . I am very well informed what you catholics believe and what you do not . Do you know why Luther rebelled against the catholic Hierarchy ? He exposed all the utter corruption and the false teachings and for that they plotted to murder him , but to no avail . He had a God sent revelation that it is by through Faith one can only be saved and not by good works .That is the reason Luther is hated to this very day and all catholics really reject the biblical Truth . Jesus Christ said : I Am The Way ,The Truth and The Life and No One comes to the Father but trough Me . He also said: You must be Born Again to enter the Kingdom of God . Our own self-righteousness is like filthy rags before God .
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"A great defender of the Catholic faith" (?)
Is that what the early church did? To defend a church system's faith? Is that what the Apostle Paul did?
The early church had been exhorted many times to contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. The faith is the saints common salvation in Christ Jesus alone; for He is the faith and He is the salvation.
The commentator, by using that particular terminology within this video, paints another classic version of twist and shout: A scriptural twist, and an exultant shout from God's enemy.
Huh???
@@Jerry-zq2st
Is that a "huh?" meaning that you're not understanding my comment or a "huh?" trying to pooh-pooh it?
I need to understand a comment in order to “pooh pooh” it. I’m not entirely sure what you were intimating with your questions in the first section. Nor was I able to follow your train of thought in the second section. I think the syntax of your sentences is just tripping me up. Maybe flesh out what you mean by “extorted”, “once delivered unto the saints”, “faith is the saints common salvation”, “He is the faith”, and your “twist and shout” analogy.
@@dannisivoccia2712 I need to understand a comment in order to “pooh pooh” it. I’m not entirely sure what you were intimating with your questions in the first section. Nor was I able to follow your train of thought in the second section. I think the syntax of your sentences is simply tripping me up. Maybe flesh out what you mean by “extorted”, “once delivered unto the saints”, “faith is the saints common salvation”, “He is the faith”, and your “twist and shout” analogy.
Yes, defender of the faith, as what the early Christians did!!!
As early as the onset of the 2nd century, there were Christian writings already defending the faith, for example, against those who don’t believe in the real presence of the body and blood of Christ!
Heresy is everywhere already and the early Church Fathers were defending the faith already.
If you don’t know that, then your Christian knowledege is limited and so truncated!
Deep in Catholic there is paganism. Papercy is what anti- Christ would do.
So, you are teaching about defending Roman Catholicism. I am a Protestant and Protestant apologetics is all about defending and explaining the Christian faith, i.e., the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It's much more potent, robust and to the point. Defending a religion never would have occurred to me. To tell the truth, at 18, I was bored to death with the Roman Catholic Religion. Got saved and ever since then I have thanked God for the Protestant Revolution (Michael Voris' term, which I just love).
Don't mean to offend. Just sharing my own two cents here.
" I am a Protestant and Protestant apologetics is all about defending and explaining the Christian faith, i.e., the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It's much more potent, robust and to the point"
"Defending a religion never would have occurred to me"
You contradicted yourself.
Catholicism=Christianity.
Nobody can be saved by rejecting Jesus. Leaving the Catholic Church is a rejection of the body of Christ (Luke 10:16)
Rolando Velasquez- the Church ( Catholic ) has a very simple message about Jesus Christ that we share as well. The church is also rich with Theology and history that’s very good to know about.
The Protestant churches have deep rich theology as well.
You might have a Evangelical gift brother👍.
How do your sacraments taste?
The easiest way to defend your faith is to show how it agrees with the teachings of Jesus, which are found in the Bible. Can Catholics do this? If they can, where in the Bible does it say or even imply that...
1. statues and relics can be worshiped?
2. the Father, Son, and holy spirit make up "One Incomprehensible"?
3. "we worship one God in trinity"?
4. purgatory is real?
5. Mary can be prayed to?
6. meat must not be eaten on Fridays and during Lent?
7. priests can be called 'Father'?
8. the Father, Son, and holy spirit are one in substance, essence, and nature?
9. Mary was immaculately conceived?
10. the Godhead is triune?
11. Peter was the first pope?
12. Mary can be worshiped?
13. unmarried priests are bound to celibacy?
14. the Rosary was used?
15. Mary is the mother of God?
16. the holy spirit is a person?
17. purgatory is real?
18. the human soul is immortal?
Clearly, Catholics can't defend their teachings, which are unscriptural.
Protestants have been asking those questions for five hundred years. We've heard them all and answered them all.
I have a question for you.
Where, in the Holy Bible, does it say that everything that Our Lord Jesus said, did and taught has been written down and published in the Bible?
@@alhilford2345 Hold on, pal. You said Catholics have heard and answered the question on the list I compiled? If that's so, why didn't you answer at least one of them? So, if you can, answer this question. Where in the Bible does it say that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are one in substance, essence, and nature?
@MrKiaiand "...because you didn't like the answer."
What question did I ask, but didn't like the answer?
You're saying a lot to say nothing. You and other Catholics will say anything to keep from answering direct questions. So, if you are capable of answering a direct question, please answer this one: Where in the Bible does it say or even imply that statues and relics can be worshiped?
These are a lot of questions which have been answered many times over the course of history and if you'd like I can help out answer these to the best of my ability. But since it's a long list of questions, most of them worded out a bit unclearly, I want to know if it would be prudent for me to take the time to answer all of them (as you know, a lot of comments on TH-cam are just posted for the hell of it and not for wanting a real discussion), also, I wanna understand clearly what you are asking. So, given that these are pretty basic stuff you can Google yourself, would you rather do that or would you like me to try and shed some light on these topics through this comment section? Also, which question would you want to tackle first?
@MrKiaiand You still haven't answered my question, so I will repeat it. What question did I ask, but did not like the answer?
You can't defend unverifiable claims of religion. Apologetics are excuses for believing in something without verifiable evidence. You believe something that doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make it true.
Attention : Mr.Trent Horn.
You cited 1 Peter 3:15, and
You call that... "the hope that is in you "?
"The easier way of defending the catholic faith" ?
Instead of giving answer (the reason) but rather countering by questioning( rebutall) ?
Is that it ," catholic answers" ?
As it is written
Colossians 1:27 KJV
To whom God will make known what is the richest of glory of this mystery among the gentiles ,which is Christ in you ,the hope of glory .
Whom we preach,warning every man,and teaching man in all wisdom ; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Whoever is reading this ,wake up! 😑
Rebutall is a philosophy 👎
As it is written
Colossians 2;8-9
Beware lest any man spoils you through philosophy and vain deceit,after the tradition of man ,after the rudiments of the world ,and not after Christ.
You call that Catholic answers?
Where is the gospel of truth ?
The hope that is in you ?
Where is Christ in you ? The hope of glory ...
(See. Colossian 1:1-11)
Colossians 1:27-28
Defend your faith?
What ?By catholic doctrines of Catechism / catholicism ?
Wake up up these doctrines are not the Gospel ,it's not the gospel of your salvation, these doctrines which I mentioned were written by men of corrupt minds.
" Ye shall know them by their fruits ( by their works), Do men gathered grapes of thorns of figs of thistles ?"
See. Matthew 7:15-16 KJV
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 KJV
John 15:4-6 KJV
"Abide in me ,and I in you ....
If a man abide not in me is cast forth as a branch and is withered; and men gathered them and cast them in the fire ,and they are burned"
John 15:4-6 KJV
Abibe in me ,and I in you ,As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself ,except it abides in the vine ; no more can ye,except ye abide in me.
I am the vine ,ye are the branches : He that abideth in me ,and I in him, the same bringing forth much fruit : for without me you can do nothing.
John 15:8 KJV
If you abide in me,and my words abide in you,ye shall ask what ye will,and it shall be done unto you
John 15:8 KJV
"Herein my father is glorified that ye bare much fruit ,so shall ye be my disciples."
Amazing. You're so smart, but not smart enough to realize that we're not smart enough to come up with those questions. COMPLETELY USELESS.
Jesus is a NON-OMNIPOTENT God: of course an omnipotent person doesn't NEED HELP to go into the wilderness (see Jesus after being baptized) (see "the Son is not able to do anything of Himself..."). Jesus is God because HE HAD BEEN the almighty God in a very distant past. He then got rid of his omnipotence to become like a normal man. This means that at a time He is DIFFERENT from the almighty God since He is like a normal man now, but He is NOT DISTINCT from God either, since He had been that almighty God. The almighty God thus only dwells in a very distant past ("the world has not known you"). However - due to his omnipotence - from that past God is able to reach to us now with his words and actions. Since NOBODY is here to speak those words and to take those actions, we say that the presence of God here corresponds to the presence of a spirit. He is the Spirit of God aka Holy Spirit ("God is a spirit"). Only a RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD is available, GOD IS NOT HERE. Only Jesus and the POWER of God (it's a thing) are here, they figuratively sit in heaven next to each other. For ex. the power of God was used for Mary's pregnancy.
What is your point?
@@johnyang1420 The point is that the trinity doctrine - which is essentially based on the disclosure of the gospels - is false because: contrary to the A logic and contrary to the B gospels. My theory on the contrary meets very well the requirement A and well the requirement B. In these difficult moments, my theory can represent a new positive asset for Christianity.
@@claudiozanella256 everything we Catholics believe in today was believed in by the early Christians and church fathers and the apostles themselves including the trinity
@@andreeattieh2963
The Trinity theory is a CONVENTIONAL theory, INVENTED and then ISSUED by the conventions of Nicea and Costantinople. They simply misunderstood the gospels "baptize them in the name of the Father...". The apostles didn't believe that God is a Trinity they nowhere talk about the existence of a triune God, nowhere in the gospels it's stated that God is a Trinity. Indeed in heaven the SON DOES NOT SIT NEXT TO THE FATHER AND TO "THE LORD WHO GIVES LIFE". The gospels state that the Son sits ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE POWER.
@@claudiozanella256 this is your opinion not the truth everything we Catholics believe in today was believed in by the early Christians and church fathers and the apostles themselves
Catholics lie about Peter being the rock the church is built on. Catholicism is made of lies just like every protestant denomination, so all you catholics need to repent and actually become true Christians and join the true church before you burn eternally for believing a liar pretending to be God on earth who you call pope. That is anathema itself. 2 Thessalonians 2, I suggest you all read it.
Psalm 118:22 we find the prophecy of a stone which the builders rejected, then we find a Holy Spirit inspired writer stating this in Acts 4:11-12-11 “He is the stone which was rejected by you, the builders, but which became the chief corner stone.
12 “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”
So that settles it.
It was apostle Peter who said that as he was guided by the Holy Spirit. That proves apostle Peter DID NOT CLAIM to be "the rock" in Matthew 16:18. That proves Jesus Christ DID NOT make Peter as being the very rock foundation Jesus was going to build His church, because Jesus or Peter would be guilty of lying.
Jesus is THE STONE
STONE = ROCK, that's common sense.
Salvation is IN the church, and Jesus IS the stone/rock foundation that Jesus Christ layed Himself, 1 Corinthians 3:11. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
So right there, catholicism is utterly destroyed, you cannot be saved by being in the catholic denomination just like you cannot be saved by doing a member of any protestant denomination or orthodox church denomination.
You must be a member of the only church Jesus Christ died for, the one church His blood cleanses.
Peter is the rock here. Read book Pope Peter by Heschmeyer. Refutes your every point. The papacy is true and we should all be Catholic! Check it out!
@@johnyang1420 could you actually present some arguments instead of telling me to buy something?
When first century history show nothing, combine that with no scriptural support either, my case continues to stand firm.
No one guy over the earthly churches, apostles made it clear that every location has its own leadership. The scriptures do warn about a man who calls himself God in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, that's literally speaking about your man made pope!
Did you know that the Didache doesn't follow catholic doctrine on distinguishing between episcopate and presbyters? That's because scriptures proves they ARE THE SAME THING!!!!
yet catholicism invents new to make their own pagan system.
Peter didn't teach the catholic dogma of priestly confession and forgiveness. This one fact alone destroys catholic denomination completely!
Acts 8:18-24, Peter condemned Simon of a mortal sin of greed, according to catholic dogma, Simon was obligated to confess to Peter or some other catholic bishop or priest but what did Peter teach Simon to do???? He taught Simon the same thing Christ taught Peter in Matthew 6:12, pray to God alone. Peter commanded Simon to repent and pray to God for his own forgiveness of A MORTAL SIN!!!! Peter, if he was a pope, he taught error and was not infallible!!! Hahaha haha, your papacy IS NOT FALLIBLE, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO NOW??? just wise up and realize Peter WAS NOT CATHOLIC!
Peter was a Christian, not a pagan catholic from Rome. He was a member of the Church of Christ, the real church, not your Roman paganism version that took centuries to develop.
@@johnyang1420 something else to think about, Peter preached mostly to Jewish folks, Paul did more of gentiles. So many of the gentiles, perhaps hundreds of thousands never even knew who Peter was. If Peter was the vicar of Christ then wouldn't all these numerous people would have needed to of known that? Of course! Why keep that important truth away from them?
So there would have been numerous writings and acknowledgement of the vicar of Christ in first and second centuries to the ENTIRE WORLD. Yet in history, we find Nothing! Why nothing until centuries later? Because it never existed, catholics, once they came about long after the true church was already going, the catholics invent a papacy then go back in time to fabricate things as if it was so. The catholic denomination was supported by FORGED DOCUMENTS long ago, and even catholic scholars will tell you this was so. I challenge you to research it yourself. Catholics LIE, LIE, LIE
You mean "defending your blasphemy,pedophilia, culture of perversion among clergy...retraction of former tenets...and worshipping "graven images" which is one of the 10 Commandments! How can anyone with any integrity miss that one?!
so...defend your faith by dishonestly avoiding reality?
cool, so basically don't fact check anything, and if something shows religious views to be wrong dismiss it. rather than accepting what the evidence literally shows.
You know you're avoiding reality when you ask deflective questions rather than talk context, shift burden of substantiating your own position, and dismiss things you don't like because it calls you out.
Being Catholic doesn't mean you're inherently right, or moral or such, it's not even synonymous with it. If your world view is correct you shouldn't be afraid about fact-checking it properly with evidence.
The issue is the majority of the world recognizes this simple truth about reality and does fact-check, that's why most of us have move on from tribalistic believes built on nothing but affirmations of belief with no evidence. especially when the evidence calls out and shows religious world views to be wrong.
I've never seen someone misconstrue someone's position so radically and dishonestly. You should listen to more from Trent Horn if you actually believe that's what he's saying. It's sad that you don't recognize the irony in your criticism of "ignoring reality" when you are so wildly misrepresenting someone's statements and beliefs. Maybe you should call him on his radio program and have a dialogue. It might change your mind about him. I've never heard someone treat a guest more fairly than Trent Horn.
Or perhaps you could answer his two questions: What do you believe and why do you believe it?
If you have this evidence that so easily disproves his views, why don't you put it forward?
@@radiorain5665 his arguement was built as the following.
He deflects to state he will answer if they answer his question first. (shifting burden)
he then asks them a question which they may honestly answer as I don't know, or if they're someone the question would be relevant to being a scientist or someone who's educated in the topic would be able to answer with demonsrable evidence to back up their position.
he then goes with the chance that they state honestly that they don't know as the more common occurrence so he can dishonestly state they have no ability to ask him their question as a way to deflect from his own burden of proof with their question as well as his own.
the best he can get with his own question is he believes what he does (in regards to his religion) on faith. faith being an affirmation of conviction without evidence.
meaning he believes what he believes based on nothing but a desire to affirm a belief in it based on his cognitive bias.
answering a question with I don't know is an honest answer and the correct answer when you don't know and have no evidence.
the guy in the video has no answer for his own question as he has no evidence and that infers to the extent that he can't back up his religious claims as they're non-evident.
in other words his "defense" of faith is to deflect from the burden of trying to defend it by trying to prevent people calling you out on it.
if someone answers his question honestly and proves him wrong, he would most likely deflect from his burden of answering their question next by infering the same starting position of he will answering if they answer his next question and so on.
this is a circular progression of an individual who can't have an honest discussion and must rely on empty pretense to avoid their burden of proof and the responsibility of substantiating their own position.
2 things:
1 - someone being unable to substantiate their position doesn't mean yours is then substantied, they are required to still substantiate their own position.
2 - if you make a claim and don't provide evidence of it, you have an empty position.
meaning he has at best an empty position, no argument and no ability to defend his "faith"
with evidence we don't need faith, we have trust in what's demonstrably evident. what's evident happens to be the case regardless of if we like it or not, it's not an opinion.
belief in something is a weak position, having trust in something because it is demonstrably evident is different.
it's dishonest to assert that peoples trust in what's demonstrably evident is a position of belief or faith because it's literally not.
faith = affirmation of conviction without evidence.
trust = knowing the reliability of something due to evidence of that something.
the question of what I belief and why i belief it isn't a valuable or useful argument to prove his position, it's simply an empty deflection from the context of him needing to substantiate his own position.
what i believe and why i believe it isn't relevant to his own position and his claims of belief, especially in regards to his religious views.
He has literally no evidence for his faith or religious claims. zero.
otherwise religion wouldn't require faith anymore, it would be able to prove it's position which it has continuously failed to do so.
science has shown incredibly how empty religious claims are over the years through evidence showing religious claims to be based on nothing as reality doesn't match their claims.
I also don't have to disprove his claim to invalidate it, his claim is literally invalid until he can substantiate it himself. your claim isn't validated because someone doesn't disprove it, you have to substantiate your own claim yourself.
he can provide no evidence for them, which means they're unfounded.
his question is simply deflecting his own burden of proof of his own position.
he has no defence.
@@thesc0tsm4n9 I appreciate that you have laid out so much here in your response. I would love to discuss this further with you when I'm not busy if you wouldn't mind. I'm really open to hearing what you have to say. After reading your full response, my main issue is that I still think you are misrepresenting his position.
@@thesc0tsm4n9 Your interpretation of the talk is absurd. He is just describing a strategy of asking questions instead of just answering objections. It has nothing to do with denying reality. You probably don't know anything else from Trent Horn. So, I have one question for you ... does science have demonstrated that claims about value, good and evil are empty?
"Catholic apologetics"? In defence of what " catholic faith "? The Lord rebuke you !You're testimony is false ! There is no such thing Catholic Church in the bible? In defence of what? citing (1 Peter 3:15) " always be ready to make defence to everyone who ask to give an account for the hope that is in you".
Can't imagine..." Catholic faith "? Paul did not preached such thing , apostle Peter n Paul meant in defence of the gospel.
The word of truth ...
The gospel of salvation
"Socrates"? What on earth? 👎
Did not Paul said Not with exelency of speech or of wisdom?
1 Corinthians 2:1 KJV
And I ,brethren, when I came to you came not with excelency of speech or of wisdom ,declaring to you the testimony of God.
....and my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom ,but in demonstration of the Spirit ,and of power: that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men ,but in the power of God.
Can't imagine ..."catholic faith"? There is no such thing in bible 👎
Search more and the truth will prevail . Are you protestant? That is the problem with you .