I joined the LDS church at 16 years old. My mother and father were going through a divorce and the LDS sisters were extremely kind to her. I spent the next 12 years in the church, attended BYU and BYUI, got married in the temple and everything. When I had my son, I slowly began to realize that while I, personally, felt just "okay" being a member of the church, I knew I didn't want my son to be in it. I couldn't explain it then, but I just felt it was wrong and I couldn't subject my child to it. I began to research the faith, learn about the church history, and actually studied scripture deeply. I QUICKLY realized that while the LDS church teaches some lovely ideas and doctrines, they were simply and so incredibly, OBVIOUSLY, false. I stepped away from it slowly, and my husband soon followed for his own reasons. I spent the next three years in a "where do I go from here" confusion. I tried New Age, I tried going back to my Protestant roots (what I was originally raised before I became LDS), and then thought I was Agnostic. But one day, I felt impressed to buy a new Bible (I threw out all my old Mormon things including my old scriptures previously), and study. I had a PASSION to learn God's word again. I came across some passages that would eventually lead to exploring Catholicism. Primarily, John 6, where I came to really believe Jesus meant His literal flesh and blood. I realized that I had never considered becoming Catholic because it was engrained in me as child that Catholicism was NOT an option. They "worshipped Mary" and "prayed to saints" and all that stuff, lol. And if there's one thing Protestants and Mormons can agree on, is how much they hate Catholics. But by studying the Word AND studying the Church Fathers and early Christian history (something I was never encouraged to do in Protestantism or Mormonism or even knew were available to me) I realized there was a rich Christian history that pointed directly to the Catholic Church. All that to say, I am still learning and researching, but I begin RCIA tomorrow! Please pray for me!
Did you ever study about the time one living Mormon prophet dug the dead body of a previous Mormon prophet and put him on trial and excommunicated him? No, you never heard that, that's because it was a pope. , Pope Stephen VI who dug up the body of Pope Formosus and put him on trial. Is that something you guys talk about in the Catholic church?
@mitchellosmer1293 The apostles met on the first day of the week because it's the Lord's Day, Sunday, the day he rose from the dead. From the very beginning, it's been the day of worship for Christians. We see it in scripture and history in every generation. If you want to be a Jew and follow the works of the law, you can. But we Christians know we are not justified by the works in the law but by faith and obedience in Christ.
lmao did you ever read about the pope that said that people lived on the moon and they looked like quakers? Or the pope that married multiple underage girls without their father's consent? No, you never read about that, that's because that was Brigham Young and Joseph Smith@@BrianTerrill
Did you ever read Esther 3:14 "Behold, I am Jesus Christ, I am the FATHER and the SON" or what about Mosiah 16:15 "Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very ETERNAL FATHER. Amen." Your own book of mormon contradicts your non-trinitarian heresy. I could keep going, I could even share the book of mormon verses that were trinitarian in the 1832 edition but got changed in the 1900s to be less trinitarian, completely changed. My grandfather was a historian in Nauvoo, a faithful Mormon until his last days. So I have 1832 editions, 1837 edition, 1845 edition, etc. You name it we can have a debate and we'll see how long you last. Im actually holding the 1832 in my hand right now, Ill gladly show you over a zoom call :) @@BrianTerrill
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints love Jesus Christ with their whole hearts. My husband read the Book of Mormon to prove it wrong when he was in his evangelical church and taught the lies and slander over the pulpit of his church and believed the lies to his core. He ended up reading the Book of Mormon to prove it wrong, and had a “Saul” experience. He ended up tracking down the missionaries and getting baptized. My husband was a Roman Catholic before he became an evangelical. Someday you too might learn the truth and not be so fearful of Latter-Day Saints. They believe you and every single mortal is a literal creation and child of God. That means you are pre ious and cherished by God. We know that God wants us to love all mortals whether they are members of the church or not. They matter to Him. EVERY SINGLE human being. So you don’t need to be fearful of LDS. ☀️❤️
I have been active Catholic since my childhood. Through an elderly coupIe I came to know about Joseph Smith and his findings. I have then read the Book of Mormon and the story of its founder . At the end of the book it says ask whether this book is written by God or the Satan. I WAS IN MY 20's then. I decided to really ask by fervent prayer and at the end I was inspired by the unknown force within me which led me to throw away the Book of Mormon and stick to the Holy Bible and continue to become even more stronger Catholic.
I was raised Mormon (they prefer to be called LDS now but when I was young that wasn't the case). I served a mission, I lived and breathed that church for 19 years. I ended up realizing it wasn't true on my mission. I was finding inconsistency after inconsistency, including a ton of highly trinitarian verses throughout the book of mormon. I remember walking into a catholic church on my mission, in prince edward island. I felt so much peace, I went there so much my companion started getting upset at me. Now I'm in the RCIA. All glory to God!
Roman Catholic Church does not predate any Scriptures. It came in ad300s. It was made the official religion of Rome in ad380 by Theodosius. Scriptures was written by Jewish Christian Apostles and Jewish Prophets. Not Roman Catholics. Acts 9:31 says nothing of Roman Catholic Church. Stop misquoting. Acts 9:31 clearly says the Christian Church spread to Judea Samaria and Galilee regions of Israel; not Rome. So all your claims fall to the ground. Bible only approves traditions of Jesus and Apostles. 2 Thes 2:15. But Bible rejects all man made unbiblical traditions of Pharisees and Roman Church alike. Mat 15, 23. Roman Church doctrines came from its own man made traditions. Not from Jesus or Apostles or Scriptures. 95% of them are so.
@@mitchellosmer1293 "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius in the 2nd century. Stop gaslighting people. The early church was the Catholic church
@@TruLuan quote--- "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius in the 2nd century. Stop gaslighting people. The early church was the Catholic church. unquote According ato a mere man with NO agenda, unbiased? ----btw--many of his so-called letters were found to be fakes!!! There ABSOLUTELY NOT ONE verse in ALL the Bible that mentions "Catholic"!!!!!! >> The Catholic Church themselves state: "Sunday is a catholic Institution...From the beginning to the end of Scriptures (from Genesis to Revelation) there is NOT a single passage which warrents the transferance of the weekly public worship from the last day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday) of the week" (Catholic Press, Sunday August 25, 1970. "Sunday is a MARK of Our authority, the (catholic) Church is above the Bible and the transference of Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday observance is proof of that fact" (Catholic Record Sept. 1, 1923) The Bible days "remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day" The Catholic Church ssys "NO! By my divine Power I abolish the Sabbath day (Saturday), and command you to keep holy the first day of the week (Sunday "the venerable pagan worship day of the sun"). And Lo - the entire civilized world bows down in reverend obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church" (Father Enright, "American Sentinel", June 1893)... and there are many more such blaspemious quotes by the catholic church themselves >>>The Catechism of the Council of Trent, p 402 second revised edition says, "The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday!" And “Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is NO SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY” - Stephen Keenan A Doctrinal Catechism p 174. >>>BIBLE PROPHECY ROME DESTROYED If the Catholic religion iS the one Jesus taught, then why is it called the "Apostate church"? And why is it called the "Whore of Babylon"? Revelation 17:5 Why will it be destroyed? www.soonrussiaattacks.com/Documents/Bible_Prophecy/Rome_Destroyed.htm
While I was in grad school on an externship I had a LDS classmate and were shared a room. We talked about Catholicism and Mormonism, and I'll never forget him saying that if he weren't Mormon, he would be Catholic because it makes the most sense to him. That meant a lot to me. As far as I know, he never converted. But just the fact that he didn't run me down and I never ran him down, but we listened to each other to the point that he even thought about making that statement, it meant a lot.
Religion and Sense do not mix anymore than oil and water! I was raised in a super-Catholic family where nearly all my relatives were priests, nuns, Monsignor, alter boys etc. Lack of sensibility drove me away from that, then from a fundy sect which put the final screws in the religiosity coffin. Pick any bible. Defines “contradiction”… moral guidance? Lets look at how to handle your slaves… freedom and liberty? You can’t have either if you believe truly! Don’t you find it a “mysterious way” that He lets the best people suffer and die? Do all the Ukrainians deserve it? Damn I’m so grateful to have evolved out of the cruelty and lack of love and compassion that Christianity today practices; Onward Christian Soldiers! No thanks! I take responsibility for all my actions, instead of blaming some other person or being. Or using it to justify hate, ie just about every war ever. Im done with fakery and fairy tales. We need to save our species first! JC aint comin…
@@mudslinger888 I understand what you're saying, but Jesus did not teach those things. People will abuse anything (including the Bible) to justify their actions.
You obviously planted a seed. Many times the one who plants the seed doesn’t see it sprout and grow into a beautiful plant. One plants the Seed, another waters and a third harvests. But there can be no growth at all, no life, if the seed is never planted. Well done.
I wished I didn't see their mean mean side, full of airs. At the same time I'm glad I did. It sadly shows theirs is more of a self-adulating church.... Too self congratulatory, they couldn't manage to focus on, and deepen, their relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ whose real Person they've so adulterated.
@GPB1101 seeing as you had alot of mean mean in this comment. I would be interested to hear what was so adulterated, self adulating, and congratulatory. And why you felt there was no deep connection with Christ.
Something about Mormons is that it helps to be nice to them. It doesn’t help to make them feel like they are being put on the defensive. They are extremely nervous about being persecuted and rejected. They want to feel like others respect them as people. So don’t be rude or arrogant with them. Be patient and understanding. For many of them, Mormonism has been their whole world.
I went to the Mormon school for 3 years, and of course I learn about Joseph Smith and I didn’t feel anything there, but through my research and sufferings, I found the Catholic Church instead and converted to the faith. If you need to know the Catholic faith, always do your research and pray about it, God always answers, and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you to the truth.
About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath" Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174. "The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893. "The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893. "Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day? "Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day. "Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? "Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910. What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
quote---if you need to know the Catholic faith, always do your research,,,, unquote I did!!! This is what I found: Catholic version of the Ten Commandments: 1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me. 2. You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain. 3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day. 4. Honor your father and your mother. 5. You shall not kill. 6. You shall not commit adultery. 7. You shall not steal. 8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. 10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods. NOTE--NO Biblical scripture provided!!! NOTE: # 9 & 10--- NOTE: the number of words in the 3rd. -*****-Now--the CHRISTIAN version as written by God: Ex 20:3-17 #1-----v3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me. #2----v4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. #3-----v7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. #4----v8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. #5----v12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you. #6---v13 “You shall not murder. #7----v14 “You shall not commit adultery. #8---v15 “You shall not steal. #9----v16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. #10----v17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” NOTE: No verses 4-6 in the Catholic version!!! NOTE--Christian version---ALL Commandments are QUOTED from the HOLY BIBLE!! NOTE--How many words there are regarding the Sabbath Commandment--to the Catholic version. NOTE ---verse 17--compared to the catholic version #9 and 10. ALL THE SAME subject and ALL ONE VERSE--#17. Total words in the CV? About 100. God's version? OVER 400!!!! --DO NOT try to tell me the Christian version is wrong!!! I have had Jewish rabiis tell me that what I have--IS CORRECT!!! So, who is wrong?? The Rabbiis--or the CC????
@@mitchellosmer1293 Sad you called the Bible the "Christian" Bible when the Catholic church has been around for more than 2000 years, just around the time when Jesus was around so yes, Catholics ARE the original CHRISTIANS. All of the Catholic commandments are in the Bible, after Jesus's resurrection his apostles gathered on the FIRST DAY of the week. They only went to synagogues on Saturday to PREACH not to worship. Find a verse in the new testament AFTER the resurrection in which Jesus and the apostles gathered on Saturday instead of Sunday. You will not find it. Not everything is literally said or mentioned in the Bible, you and I know it, do more research on the history of Christianity. Acts 20:7 And upon the FIRST DAY of the week, when the disciples CAME TOGETHER TO BREAK BREAD, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." John 20:19- Then, the same day at evening, being the FIRST DAY of the week, when the doors were shut where the DISCIPLES WERE ASSEMBLED for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.” John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only BROKE THE SABBATH, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. The rest of the commandments you can investigate yourself.
I have talked to mormon missionaries, they come once, maybe twice and then, they never come again in front of my house. Because i start questioning them about their thinking, and that happens also with the jehovas witnesses. GOD bless his true church.
@@OliveMule quote---THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH -unquote Then quote that FROM the Holy Word of GOD!!!!! The Bible!! According TO THE BIBLE, there was NO SUCH name of that church before 100AD!!! FACTS: >>>Peter in Jerusalem--- Galatians 1:18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas(Peter) and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 I saw none of the other apostles-only James, the Lord’s brother. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie. Peter to Jerusalem-------Paul to Rome. >>> WAS PETER EVER IN ROME? READ ROMANS 16, WRITTEN FROM ROME BY PAUL. PAUL LISTS 27 PEOPLE. PETER WAS NOT EVEN MENTIONED. ABOUT 80-90 A.D. PETER WROTE TWO EPISTLES (NEAR THE END OF THE NEW TESTAMENT), A TOTAL OF 8 CHAPTERS AND NEVER MENTIONED ONE TIME THAT HE WAS A “POPE” OR THAT THERE WAS A “CATHOLIC CHURCH.” DID THE HOLY SPIRIT AND PETER FORGET TO TELL US SOMETHING IMPORTANT OR IS SUCH SIMPLY NOT TRUE??? Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion (Matthew 20:20-28; Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 3:11 FACTS: >>>Although Peter recognized himself as an apostle (see, e.g., 1 Pet. 1:1; 2 Pet. 1:1), he never claimed a superior title, rank, or privilege over the other apostles. He even referred to himself as a “fellow elder” (1 Pet. 5:1) and as “a bond-servant” of Christ (2 Pet. 1:1). Far from claiming honor and homage for himself, he soberly warns his fellow elders to guard against lording it over those under their pastoral care (1 Pet. 5:3). The only glory he claimed for himself was that which is shared by all believers and which is yet “to be revealed, … when the Chief Shepherd appears” (vv. 1, 4). FACTS: FACT: When did Peter die in the Bible? Peter is believed to have died as a martyr for his faith. Although his death is not described in Scripture, numerous writers of the time (or shortly thereafter) described his death as having occurred in Rome during the reign of the emperor Nero in 64 CE. So, what about this? Tradition has it that the Apostle Peter ordained Ignatius as bishop of Antioch in AD 69. Five years AFTER Peter died Ignatius was ordained by Peter??? FACTS: Tradition holds that the first Gentile church was founded in Antioch, Acts 11:20-21, where it is recorded that the disciples of Jesus Christ were first called Christians (Acts 11:26). It was from Antioch that St. Paul started on his missionary journeys to Rome. ACTS-written between 70 Ad--90 AD--- CHRISTIANS--NOT CATHOLIC!!!!! At least 40 years AFTER Christ!!!!------ *****When was the first Christian church built? The earliest archeologically identified Christian church is a house church (domus ecclesiae), the Dura-Europos church, founded between 233 and 256. In the second half of the 3rd century AD, the first purpose-built halls for Christian worship (aula ecclesiae) began to be constructed. CHRISTIAN--NOT CATHOLIC!!!!! FACT: First Catholic church built in Jerusalem in 326AD!! LONG after Peter died. So, how could he be the Pope of a church that did NOT exist for another 250 years????
Why would you not, Guy? (Interesting choice of screen name by the way, good Catholic that he was) Your question infers that a scholar like Patrick Madrid would be incapable of describing Mormonism because he himself is not a Mormon. What specifically did he say that was incorrect? I would only dismiss a Baptist's description of Catholicism when he describes something that is untrue. That pesky thing TRUTH keeps coming up doesn't it? I personally feel this was a succinct and thorough examination of a faith that has some serious issues of origin. Perhaps YOU should dig a little deeper yourself. Problems of origin do tend to cause a lot of problems for not just Mormons but Protestants too. The Mormon faith is just another in a LONG line of faiths that are a reduction of, a subtraction of, or a revision of Catholicism. THAT is a matter of history, not opinion.
@Samwell I f at all he simply came out with his own explanation without making research first that would indeed be perfectly wrong , however it's important for a wise person to research enough about the origin of his faith other than simply following luring voices that cover all corners of the world, and that requires reading and getting from the very source as he did right?
I'm a convert from a reformed Protestant tradition. Mr.Madrid's arguments against the Mormon teaching of the Great Apostacy (36:40+) also apply to my former Protestant belief that the Catholic Church went off the rails at some unspecified point, probably in the time of Constantine. But, when I looked into the matter, I concluded the biblical and historical evidence did not support such a position. Now, as a Catholic, I cringe when I consider how my Protestant brothers and sisters agree with the Mormons on this point.
quote-- teaching of the Great Apostacy (36:40+) also apply to my former Protestant belief that the Catholic Church went off the rails at some unspecified point, probably in the time of Constantine. --unquote About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath" Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174. "The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893. "The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893. "Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day? "Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day. "Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? "Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910. What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
@@mitchellosmer1293did Jesus leave a Church or the Bible u use today? Is Jesus the new covenant and not greater than Moses? Unless ur an ethnic Jew. Btw: was ur faith tradition there at the compilation of the Bible?
This was enlightening! My daughter was raised Catholic, had a friend in the Mormon church. Was invited to their church and welcomed with open arms and befriended many missionaries that passed through our area. She was baptized in the church and is now married to a Mormon. It breaks my heart. I pray for them.
@@marcihf217 quote--Praying for your daughter and son-in-law to revert/convert to the Fullness of the Truth (Catholic Faith).-unquote ==QUOTE the HOLY BIBLE that mentiones : Fullness of the Truth (Catholic Faith in any way , shape, or form.
My husband and I were not raised as Christians, but in my 40’s I kept getting the desire to find a church and began “trying out” most of the Christian churches in our town (over a few years time). We had 4 kids (not raised in any church) and our oldest married a Mormon girl in 2000. After our first grandchildren arrived we decided to find out about the LDS faith. We had the lessons from the sisters and prayed but I just couldn’t get past the reverence for Joseph Smith. It really turned me off. Also - not being allowed to attend their wedding was an enormous sore spot - that practice is so divisive and wrong. The prayers with the lessons did however leave me open to belief in Jesus Christ - which I had never felt - only a vague higher power belief. I knew really nothing about Christ. But I knew I could never have testimony of Joseph Smith which is what we were asked to do. I began attending a Bible study with a First Baptist group and occasionally going to their services. One day a member of the study fervently proclaimed that the Mormons were going to hell. Stood up and gestured down and spoke with very strong conviction. No one contradicted him. I got very upset and told him my son, daughter in law and grandkids weren’t going to hell! Well, another religion bites the dust for me. My husband says - let’s check out the Catholic Church - he went to a Catholic high school for 3 years and had a fondness for it. I was super hesitant so he asked the priest to call me so I could ask him if he believed the Mormons were going to hell. I will never forget his loving answer. “Well, that wouldn’t be a very loving God now, would it?” I now know some Catholic theologists don’t agree with him but it was exactly what I needed to hear and it is certainly what I believe. After a few months of attending Mass, my husband and I started RCIA and I became Catholic at the age of 53. I am so happy and grateful for our blessed church - I have been on the RCIA team for several years and I love being a lector. My semi-agnostic former self would never have dreamed that I would ever be lectoring the word of God in front of a congregation - and a Catholic one at that! My problem is that I can’t really even ask questions of my seven beautiful, loving, talented, kind LDS grandchildren. Occasionally they will say things like theirs is the one true Church and Joseph Smith is a prophet. That doesn’t happen often, but I can’t say anything. I know that would be forbidden and my son and daughter in law would not want that influence on their kids. I pray for them and try to set an example as a Catholic grandma who is filled with the Holy Spirit. I did take one of my granddaughters to church one time when she was spending the night and I was going to lector. She said she really liked it - she knelt and read the Creed and I was apprehensively excited! But she is now on a mission for her church. You never know though! If I became Catholic anyone can!
@@HolyMoly432 My husband converted from Catholicism to evangelical. He taught all the “anti” lies about the church of Jesus Christ over his pulpit of his evangelical church. He eventually read the Book of Mormon to prove it wrong to some young adults he respected. He had a “Saul” experience and ended up tracking down the missionaries and was baptized. We love our Catholic brothers and sisters. We attend mass with my in-laws every Christmas Day. We have taught our children to love and celebrate their Catholic neighbors and celebrate their love of Christ with them. We as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints love Jesus Christ as well. Best of blessings as you love your grandchildren and respect their faith. My mother and father-in law were so respectful of my husband when he converted to the Church of Jesus Christ. And we love and respect them and their Catholic faith. Christ doesn’t want us to hate each other. ❤️☀️
What a SPOON FED learning for me!!! Many Thanks Patrick Madrid. Will have to BEAR my own WITNESS from now. THANK YOU SO MUCH for this very INSPIRING and EDUCATIONAL talk. GOD BLESS YOU MORE AND MORE AND MORE!
Im a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I disagree with some stuff here, but in the end this video is so much stronger then anything from evangelicals.
I respect Patrick Madrid and listen to his radio show almost every day. He misspoke about Blacks being allowed into the priesthood in 1968, it was actually 1978. I moved with my Irish/Catholic family to Utah in 1964 when I was 16. I recall my middle aged neighbor back in Utah telling me and my brothers about the "black skin as a curse" belief of Mormons. We questioned him incredulously about this, telling him we, and the Catholic Church, did not share this belief and he got very frustrated. Finally he said, and I quote, "How would you like your sister to marry a big black n....r." We told him that was her decision, not ours. He walked away in frustration.
Ugh. I don't think I have the patience to read with falsehoods. It's more joyful to be reading the Truth. God blees, Patrick Madrid, who is trying to understand the heresies of our day and reaching out to those who adhere to them to help them see the Light.
For me, the fact that the Book of Mormon was translated into King James English in 1830 something, when that was not spoken in the United States speaks volumes. So, the Church was totally apostate by the 3rd century, but they use the language type of King James and the Anglican Church's language to document their belief???
There are several explanations as to the origin of the Book of Mormon. Adherents to the Latter Day Saint movement view the book as a work of divinely inspired scripture, which was written by ancient prophets in the ancient Americas. Non-Mormon theories of authorship propose that it is solely the work of man. Adherents mostly accept Joseph Smith's account of translating ancient golden plates inscribed by prophets. Smith preached that the angel Moroni, a prophet in the Book of Mormon, directed him in the 1820s to a hill near his home in Palmyra, New York, where the plates were buried. Besides Smith himself, there were at least 11 witnesses who said they saw the plates in 1829, and three also claiming to have been visited by an angel. Several other witnesses observed Smith dictating the text that eventually became the Book of Mormon.
Just before listening to this video I had listened to "Drew the Catholic" where he was talking with a former Mormon bishop who was becoming a Catholic. It was a very interesting video. This former bishop, who had been excommunicated because he divorced his Mormon wife, was in Rome. He went down to where most popes are interred. He saw where St. Peter lies and realized that the great apostasy had never happened. The first thought he had was, "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church, and death itself will not have any power over it."
Very inspiring , I wish catholic authorities in our Arch Diocese, Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea invite catholic apologists like Mr Madrid, Hahn, Trent and the other great apologists to give talks on many issues in relation to Catholicism. Sad to note many Catholics leave the church because of their shallow knowledge and understanding of Catholicism. I appreciate the great works of catholic apologists which has strengthened my faith. Everyday I listen to Catholic answers and other catholic networks like catholic truth, journey home program, and so on. I'm blessed having apologists like Patrick. God bless!
quote---Everyday I listen to Catholic answers and other catholic networks like catholic truth, journey home program, and so on.--unquote Here are some CC truths: ---About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath" Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174. "The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893. "The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893. "Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day? "Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day. "Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? "Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910. What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D. >>>>
Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day......(.Saturday) Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (Sunday) Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,(After sunset Saturday) Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Sunday) Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, (friday) and the Sabbath was about to begin Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.( Just before sunset Friday) Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, .... (Sunday) John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day (Friday), in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one, John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation (Friday), since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, (Sunday)
@@mitchellosmer1293is Jesus the new covenant and greater than Moses? Did Jesus leave a Church or the Bible u use today? Btw: was ur faith tradition there at the compilation of the Bible?
Very much needed as I was unsure all the things that Mormons believe. I listen to the Patrick Madrid Show every morning, but greatly appreciate an entire hour towards our religious differences.
As a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day, Saints, who knows the Scriptures and the church’s history, and sees the flaws I really enjoyed this. Is it possible that God is powerful enough to work miracles in the lives of his children, regardless of what the church they belong to? Is it possible that God is not overly concerned which church we belong to? I think so.
No because then there would be no need for Him to establish one and only Church. Remember the passage in the Bible where He said that He will build a church on Peter, meaning rock? Just thinking about this logically though, it makes sense for there to be only one church/relogion because religions differ in so many things and it would be a logical fallacy for them all to just be true. For example some religions will tell you that homosexuality is fine and other ones will tell you it's not okay. So which one is correct? They can't both be correct because that would be a logical fallacy.
I’m Catholic and I think so too. God doesn’t reject those who yearn for His love and channel God’s love to others. I think it was Pope Benedict who said something like this: Christianity is primarily a relationship with someone, that someone being Christ. This relationship trumps ideology or understanding. For example, someone who possesses a better understanding God’s truth (right mind), may not have the right heart and faith. With that said though, God’s fuller truth teaches us about how to have a relationship with Him through Christ, the Son, who instituted His Church and the sacraments. Catholics believe that we have the fuller truth and we keep the commandments and sacraments because they are life giving and sanctify us so that we may get to heaven. We do these because we love the triune God. For other non-Catholics, they may hold some truths, but not the fuller truth that was revealed by God (the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit) to his holy Catholic and apostolic church. However, there are plenty of bad Catholics out there that are catholic in name only and there are plenty of good non-Catholics. I think God sees us all as His children for Christ came to save all the world from sin and I think He is pleased when He sees us loving one another. God’s mercy is greater than we can imagine.
I'm a retired helicopter flight RN and living in AZ. Out of curiosity, I read the book of mormon, pearl of great price, and doctrine and covenants. IMHO, I found the books, particularly the b of m, to sound like the ramblings of a schizophrenic patient I had studied in college. I mean absolutely no disrespect to the poor folks who must undergo this mental illness. There is no treating Jesus as the Son of God. Thanks be to God for our Catholic Faith! May God bless you all.
@@lakotafire2804 My evangelical husband read the Book of Mormon to prove it wrong to some young adults he knew. He wanted to save them from their cult. He had a beautiful “Saul” like experience and ended up tracking down the missionaries and was baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints a few weeks later. He realized he had taught and believed to his core lies, falsehoods and slander about members of the church. The Lord did command “thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” Sadly, people do this now without batting an eye, and they do it over the pulpits of their churches. 🥲🥲🥲
My contention is that Mormonism is a secondary schism from Protestantism, based in the developing culture of the United States in the 1830's. The King James Bible, translated in another country and two centuries before in 1611 was the Bible language of Protestant churches in the United States in 1830. So, the use of King James English in the translation of the Book of Mormon was designed to give it a sense of scriptural "authority".
quote---. The King James Bible, translated in another country and two centuries before in 1611 was the Bible language of Protestant churches in the United States in 1830. --unquote So you knoq what was uswed to translate the KJV for references? The Latin Vulgate (SAME Bible the CC Used for OVER 400 years) and the Septaugint. Who wrote the latin Vulgate/ St. Jerome (Catholic)
and what was used to translate the KJV??? The Septuagint, the scrolls of the OT and the Latin Vulgate. Where did the latin Vulgate come from?? Translated by St. Jerome from Araimaic, Greek and Hebrew to Latin. Where did the OT come from?? The JEWS---- --btw--the Latin Vulgate the CC used it for OVER 400 years before writing their own version.
I love how you do what you are doing! I need to learn to do this more. Sir, maybe your mom is tired of doing what you are doing. She is your mom, just let her be! Be respectful and responsible.
@vjiggy81- Depends on your perspective. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mr. Madrid got a lot of things incorrect and is not the expert he believes he is. He knows more than many non-members but is still repeating falsehoods about our doctrine that I hear from many other non-members.
@@micheleh3851🤔 so why when i went to revise the tenents of mormonism. The info that was presented turned out to be confirmed. 👍🏽 meaning mister Madrid is correct!
@vjiggy81 - What do you mean you revised the tenants of Mormonism? There are numerous errors in doctrine that Mr. Madrid made during his presentation. Some things he said were accurate but some was absolutely not.
@@micheleh3851i mean, that when i went, to verify weather mormonism believed in the father, son and holy spirit. In each as a seperate entity. Not as a triun god, which is what most basic christians believe in. The private group, on the internet, that was asked. Was found, to have confirmed! 👍🏽 that by all means, those assertions were true. So sofar it seems patrick madrid is following right along.
@vjiggy81 - Yes, we do believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not the same entity. We believe the Bible clearly teaches that Christ did not Father himself nor pray to himself nor ascend to himself, but to the Father. We believe the Trinune concept of God is man-made, such as at the Council of Nicea. The Triune is not Biblical.
“I must give you a piece of intelligence that you perhaps already know, namely that the ungodly arch-villain Voltaire has died miserably like a dog, just like a brute. That is his reward!” -Mozart
@@thehungarywaffleinc.7775 A dude named Jesus may have existed as a person & may have been crucified, but Jesus the Messiah & savior, is a fictional figure made-up by fools repeating lies over generations.
@@thehungarywaffleinc.7775 There were no eyewitnesses of Christ's resurrection. Early Christian writers fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake backdated testimonials that the disciples & 500 others have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Christ.
Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints here. This speaker does a fantastic job building up his ethos and pathos throughout (especially the beginnings of) this video. He makes it clear how involved he’s been with members, he makes jokes, etc. However, as the video progresses, his actual logos is really nowhere to be found. He says he read the Godmakers and was, in a sense, disgusted by the tone of much of anti-Catholic material, and yet makes all those same, debunked, recycled, inconsiderate arguments against the LDS faith only a few minutes later. He makes a lot of claims about archeology, race, doctrine, etc. without referencing, with context, verses from the Triple Combination. He never presents counter-arguments to strengthen his logos. For instance, he throws the “skin of blackness” argument out there to startle those learning about the faith, but doesn’t acknowledge that the Old Testament says and does nearly the exact same thing. It’s a literally device, and a reference to disease and demeanor. Not African Americans. Furthermore, no Latter-day Saint believes Nephi’s family was Caucasian. They were all middle eastern. It was a contrast, not a modern-political-racial commentary. Not to mention part of the reason Joseph Smith was martyred was because of his abolitionist platform. Or the Book of Mormon verses saying all are alike/equal unto God. Or the 2nd Official Declaration in the D&C. He, the speaker in the video, also employs a logical fallacy known as Gish Gallop where one makes small, frequent claims about things as to create such an extensive list that it takes far longer to debunk than it does to start doubting from it. I’m always curious to learn more about others beliefs, that’s why I’m watching this to begin with, but I wholeheartedly believe that this man is intelligent enough to know the counter-arguments and context, yet chooses to deliberately ignore them. He is deceiving. There’s plenty of weird stuff in our history and doctrine. I wouldn’t say being an honest historian of LDS matters would force you to convert from the knowledge alone. But rather than focusing on that, he’s misrepresenting, exaggerating, or straight up lying about nearly all LDS beliefs to scare people away. I’m not calling him, the Catholic Church, or any Catholic individual Satan. However, this speaker is employing the exact same tactics that Satan uses to lie. Giving half truths with no context, twisting what’s been said, in order to get his outcome. If anyone has any genuine questions or really wants to learn, leave a comment, I will reply. In the meantime, peace and love be with you all. Never waver in your faith in Christ.
@Aaron-SLC I grew up LDS and still LDS. Many of us LDS disnt read and did real reaserch of the LDS true doctrine and we kept defending these lies as if they were our true doctrine because they kept telling us what we believed and we never did much reaserch. So, you also believed what many did without any research. I had to fi a lotnof reasefch and more I found out this is truth mingled, exaggerated, and twisted with lies.
When Isaiah talk about other gods, he was referring to Israel gods. Jehovah was their God, but Israelites took other gods to worship. Just came out of Egypt and camping by mound Sanai, Israelite made a golden calf to worship. This is right after they witness so many miracles since they left Egypt. When God said, you cannot have other Gods, He was not referring that He has another neighboring God. He was telling Israel not to have a golden calf or Baal and other gods of their neighbors. Israel was told not to intermingle marry to their neighbors. Why?. Because their neighbors worship gods were made of stones and wood. That’s is the gods God was referring to in this context.
This week, April 2024, there was a Jewish Shabbat Live news that a book of Hold Plates was discovered in Saudi Arabia. Joseph Smith wasn't off, perhaps. Here is the link.
The only truth I find within Mormonism is the fact that there is much more to the ancient history of the Americas then what modern archaeology explains. I often wish the main stream church would take more seriously alternative archaeology
I e never heard such story and I cld not finish listening. I thank you for explaining Mormon. I can’t believe anyone would believe such story. It’s painful. I love my Catholic faith.
quote-- I love my Catholic faith.-unquote Why? I posted this several months ago. NOT one catholic has replied! Why???? Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God. I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer. And I know you will NOT!!! ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special?? ----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSEDthe first day of the week to make that day special?? ----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special?? ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special?? ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special?? FACTS" --The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13 --The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41 >>>>
@@mitchellosmer1293 I love my Catholic faith because it is rich with tradition that comes from Jesus. There are so many mysteries that can be understood slowly with the grace of God by praying, reading the Bible, asking Him for guidance and let it go. Then one day God responds quietly but very clearly. I never had doubt about being Catholic and I never asked questions until a Jehovah witness decided she wanted to teach me. What really got me upset is her telling me that Jesus is not God. I took it upon myself to read the Bible and point out clear messages that states that Jesus IS GOD. If HE is the Son of God he IS GOD. anyway I am Catholic and proud to be Catholic.
@@yvetteflynn9268 quote--- I love my Catholic faith because it is rich with tradition that comes from Jesus.--unquote And you believe every word that they speak!!!! No matter that it CONTRADICTS the WORD of GOD!!! ---quote--- reading the Bible,--unquote Which bible? the ones the CC Re-wrote or the one they used for over 400 years? (Latrin Vulgate, which my bible is translated from). --questions which you CAN NOT answer: Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God. I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer. And I know you will NOT!!! ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special?? ----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSEDthe first day of the week to make that day special?? ----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special?? ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special?? ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special?? FACTS: FACTS" --The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13 --The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41 FACTS: About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath" Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174. "The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893. "The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893. "Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day? "Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day. "Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? "Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910. What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D. FACTS: Communion How do you labor for the food that endures to eternal life? Believe in me! (John 6:27, 29) “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me [in faith] shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” (John 6:47) -------------------------------- When the crowd took offense at his gruesome talk, Jesus exposed their unbelief: “The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe” (John 6:63-64).
@@yvetteflynn9268 FACTS: Here are two quotes addressing this from their catechisms. The Catechism of the Council of Trent, p 402 second revised edition says, "The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday!" And “Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is NO SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY” - Stephen Keenan A Doctrinal Catechism p 174 FACTS: Jesus Christ didn't found the Catholic Church. it was the 325AD Council of Nicaea headed by Emperor Constantine 1 which was attended by bishops/popes of West and East Roman Empire May/Aug. 325AD FACTS: Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Rom 7:12, KJV) FACTS: Jesus said, “If you love me, obey my commandments. Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.” John 14:15, 21 NLT --FACTS: I can tell you why Catholicism is wrong. It leads people to believe that Jesus' sacrifice wasn't sufficient. It teaches works, it teaches that dead people can be prayed to. It teaches that Jesus' mother, Mary, can intercede for us. All blasphemy. Here's what I know about Catholicism:There are no priests in the New Testament, there are no altars, there are no sacrifices, there are no scapulars, there are no mitre, there are no orders of monks, there are no nuns, there are no bishops in the sense of the Roman Catholic church, there is no monarchical episcopate, there are no popes, there is no apostolic succession, there are no candles, there is no Lent, there is no holy water, there are no sacraments, there is no extreme unction, there is no purgatory, there is no penance, there are no sacraments, there is no veneration of objects, images or relics, there is no praying to dead people, there is no veneration of Mary, there is no immaculate conception, there is no assumption of Mary, there is no Holy Mary, Mother of God.
@@yvetteflynn9268 quote---anyway I am Catholic and proud to be Catholic unquote Proud to be a follower of satan?? >>.What the Holy Bible says about the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope The Anti-christ sits in the temple of God proclaiming to be God….fulfilling 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. ---“..the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, (not a physical temple, but Christ’s Church. Eph. 2:19-22) showing himself that he is God.” ---Pope Innocent III said “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Greogory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.) ---Saint Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4, ----In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (Our Lord God the Pope) can be found in column 153. In a Paris edition, they are found in column 140. has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.) ----"Innocent III has written: "Indeed, it is not top much to say that in view of the sublimity of their offices the priests are so many gods." -The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori p, 36 Well... look at this... "we suppose that the Antichrist, the head of all these men, is the Pope of Rome" -John Wycliffe(former Catholic Priest/Reformer/Protestant), Foxes Book of Martyrs, p.90 "The Pope is... the true Antichrist, of whom it is written, that he sitteth in the temple of God,among the people where Christ is worshipped... " -John Huss(former Catholic Priest/Reformer/Protestant)(1372-1415) "The vicar is in the place of an a sent chief,-what is such a vicar but Antichrist. I know and am certain that the papacy(Catholic religion system) is the kingdom of Babylon" -Martin Luther(former Catholic priest/Reformer/Protestant), ("Works" vol.ii., p.385) "Yea, we doubt not to prove the kingdom of the Pope to be the kingdom and power of Antichrist" -John Knox(Former Catholic priest/Reformer/Protestant), The Works of John Knox ,,Now, for the WORD of GOD: Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband, the Lord of hosts is his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the God of the whole earth he is called. ----Gen 14:19 And he blessed him and said, “Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth; 20 and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!” POSSESSOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH!!!! Not a mere man (Pope). These verses refutes the claim that the Pope is "God on earth". -----FACTS: What has the papacy changed? Don’t you know the papacy changed the days of worship and openly admit to doing so. Here are some references REFERENCE Peter Geiermann, The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (st.Louis: B. Herder Book Co.,1957edition) page 50. --Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D.336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. 336ad Constantine leader Roman Empire , the kingdom had many barbaric tribes who worshipped pagan gods including --Mythra Sun god, in an act to unite the kingdom Constantine added some pagan beliefs to Catholicism. Hence Sunday worship also distances them from Jews REFERENCE --Stephen Keenan, a Doctrinal Catechism (New York:P.J. Kenedy & sons, third American edition,revised,n.d.),p.174 REFERENCE The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, inc.,pages 72-73. REFERENCE Catholic Record, September 1, 1923 REFERENCE Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore,in a letter replying for the Cardinal. February 10, 1920 ---------FACTS: Mary the mother of Jesus was a godly and blessed woman, but she was not without sin. Jesus was the only human without sin. Jesus “had no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). “In him is no sin” (1 John 3:5). Nothing of the sort is ever said of Mary or anyone else. Jesus Christ is fully human, but He is also fully God (John 1:1). He is the Lamb of God, “without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:19), a title and description no other person can claim. FACTS: Acts 5:29 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (Rome) Sunday is our mark of authority. The Church is above the Bible and this transference of the Sabbath is proof of that fact. Catholic Record of London Sept.1, 1923
On average the catholic faith with supposedly over 1 billion members gave over 800 million in Charitable giving. That is awesome! What did the mormon faith give from their 17 million members?
I’ve been listening to a lot of Catholic videos lately and what I’ve noticed is that of all the videos that I’ve listened to reveals to me that every denominations of Christianity are intertwined with each other,what I’m saying is they all seem to teach the same thing though there might be some differences.And when I reflect on what the apocalypse says about the 2000.000.000 rising up against the Catholic Church seems to pointing at all of these denominations,that’s just my thoughts I’m not saying that this is the true interpretation of the apocalypse but it’s very noticeable
I don't know why other Mormons say this stuff isnt true when confronted with it. I grew up Mormon and this was in my children's Mormon book. That being said, they never talked about the racist stuff in church or the primary (children's sunday school), even though in practice we were separated by race and language. One of the many reasons I've converted to Catholicism.
About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath" Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174. "The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893. "The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893. "Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day? "Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day. "Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? "Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910. What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
@@essafats5728 quote---did Jesus leave a Church or the Bible u use today? unquote a Christian church!!! Folowers of the teachings of Christ!!! The OT was written OVER 90 years before Christ!!! The NT was written 300 years before Catholics. NO Catholic wrote any part of the NT!! All the Catholic church did was collect, translate to latin and bind into a book!!! ---
@@mitchellosmer1293 so how do u know the books that the Catholics assembled were the right ones? Did they use all the books that existed at that time into the Bible? Again, where was ur faith tradition at the compilation of the Bible? And u think u know better how to interpret the bible than those compilers? U all by yourself, 2000yrs later, with ur limited human creature ability, weak and sinful as heck. Such sanctimonious self-righteousness. Oh wait, do forgive me...R u the 2nd coming of the Messiah?
I find it curious that this speaker fills in so many blanks with his own ideas- not with Mormon doctrine. We also don’t know much. He makes conclusions that Mormons don’t. The first step down the road of apostasy, I say.
Thank you for this very informative video. I must admit that it disturbs me greatly that a man could go through many years of seminary training, make Mass and holy Eucharist the center of his vocation, only to be duped by the outrageous claims of Mormonism. How could he have ever embraced the idea that Lucifer and Jesus were spirit brothers? I’m gobsmacked. Praise God that he came back, of course. But it’s still very disturbing.
The Bible that the Mormons use has many instances of "Joseph Smith Translation" of scriptures. So Joseph Smith went through and changed things he didn't like.
Our God and Lord Jesus Christ did not ever say that his whole church would fall into apostasy,but rather that there would be a falling away which means only those in his church who would succumb to that not his whole church that he started upon Peter which is the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church
I posted this several months ago. NOT one catholic has replied! Why???? Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God. I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer. And I know you will NOT!!! ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special?? ----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSEDthe first day of the week to make that day special?? ----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special?? ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special?? ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special?? FACTS" --The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13 --The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41
@@nancetardiff339 quote--- you've answered your own questions so why should we bother,-- unquote I wasn't asking myself for the ansers!!! I was aking you!!! But, obviously you are not willing to answer!!! As I expected.
Good video. I don't know any Mormons, but this was helpful in obtaining a general understanding of what they believe. Like Protestants, they believe that Jesus was lying when he gave Peter the keys to the church he established in the gospel of Matthew, and stated that the gates of hell would not prevail against this church. There's a direct line of succession between Peter, the first pope who was given the keys, and all of the other popes throughout history. No other Christian denomination can make that claim. Virtually all Christians were Catholic for the first 1000+ of history until the first major schism with the regional eastern orthodox churches, which also remained largely Catholic in all of their beliefs with the primary exception being recognizing the pope as the vicar of Christ. Sola scriptura is a myth as the books of the New Testament weren't even written until well after the death of Jesus, and virtually no lay Christians owned a personal bible until after the printing press was invented during the mid 15th century. The King James bible that Protestants use is merely an English translation of the Catholic bible, and includes the books that the Catholic church deemed to be divinely inspired and infallible.
Question: are there artifacts of the millions of people who died who Moses led into the wilderness out of Egypt? If not, did it happen? See how that works, Catholic apologists? When it’s the Bible you call it faith; when it’s the Book of Mormon, you call it fallacy!
@mdcarson- I agree. I saw a show on the History Channel on TV where they had professional teams searching for Biblical artifacts like Noah's Ark. Always came up empty-handed. They spent days dredging the Red Sea and found absolute nothing to suggest that thousands of Israelites crossed or that Pharaoh's soldiers were drowned in pursuit. The commentators concluded that the Biblical account of Moses in Exodus was a myth and never happened.
What about those who lived and died in places and times when the Gospel of Christ was not available to them? Did Jesus Christ “leave them orphans”? Just trying to follow Brother Patrick’s reasoning.
Right on. I’m the first Christian in my family. What happens to my parents and 600 grandparents who never heard the words Jesus Christ? Why would they be condemn to hell? If they are, then going to heaven is like winning the lotto ticket.
The Catholics never claimed that salvation is exclusive to Catholics. We were taught that there were righteous people who haven’t heard of the teachings of Christ about Salvation and Life After Death and that they will be saved because we have a merciful God.
@@Tahimate - Luke 12:48: "But the one who did not know and did what deserved a beating will receive a light beating. From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded." - Romans 2:12-16 "All who have sinned apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all." At the end, only God knows, but to summarise, if someone, by no fault of his own, never knew Christ, then he will be judged differently than someone who did, but refused to follow Him.
One of my brothers is a bishop in the Mormon church witch means so are my nieces and nephews. They are actively recruiting away Catholics. I asked my brother if this was true. It’s easy to comb Catholics. They are so dumb.
@@essafats5728 quote---is Jesus the new covenant? Are u ethically a Jew? unquoet Since obviously you have NO IDEA of what the New covenent is: >>>-THE DNA OF THE NEW COVENANT If only God Himself had given a clear, straightforward definition of the new covenant. Oh, but wait, He did! , God Himself defines the new covenant! No equivocation, no ambiguity, no obscurity; just a straightforward definition that most anyone could understand. But before we get to the definition proper, here is a brief backstory. God first announced and defined the new covenant in the Old Testament through Jeremiah (Jer. 31:33, 34). Hebrews in the New Testament picked it up straight from Jeremiah. In the longest New Testament quotation of an Old Testament passage, Hebrews 8:7-12 quotes Jeremiah 31:31-34, essentially verbatim. God defines the “new covenant” (Heb. 8:8) as four promises He makes to His people. Promise 1: He promises that He will write His laws in their hearts (Heb 8:10), to sanctify them, to make them holy, aligning their hearts and characters with His. When God gave Israel His law at Sinai, the people immediately responded, “All the words which the LORD has said we will do, . . . and be obedient” (Exod. 24:3, 7, NKJV), as in, “We’re good, God; we got this.” But they weren’t good, not that good; and they hadn’t “got this” (recall the golden-calf incident at this point!). He wants them to know that He didn’t give them His law to challenge them to try and keep it. “He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust” (Ps. 103:14, NKJV). He gave it to them as a promise of the kind of people He would make of them if they would rely on Him and trust Him. “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you . . . and cause you to walk in My statutes” (Ezek. 36:26, 27, NKJV). Promise 2: He promises to be their God and make them His people (Heb. 8:10) to reconcile them to Himself. Isaiah warned, “Your iniquities have separated you from your God” (59:2, NKJV), the most vulnerable condition possible for people living in a hostile environment such as our world. God says, “I want to be your shield and refuge. Rely on Me, trust Me; let Me do my thing on your behalf.” God would reconcile us through Christ’s death on the cross (2 Cor. 5:17-21). Promise 3: God promises to reveal Himself to the whole world, and He promises that the day is coming when that will not be necessary anymore, because everyone will know Him, from the least to the greatest (Heb. 8:11)-the harmony of Eden will be restored. Until that day of final consummation, He invites those who already know Him to team up with Him and other believers in His mission to make Himself known within their own circles of influence (Matt. 28:19, 20). --Promise 4: God promises to forgive our sins and remember them no more (Heb. 8:12), in order to justify us so that we stand before God as though we had never sinned. At some point in human history, the Covenant Maker Himself came from heaven to earth to shed His “blood of the everlasting covenant” to make this possible and to make it hard to resist. These four promises shout out that God has made sure anyone who really wants to be in His eternal kingdom can be, because He has committed Himself and all of His resources to make it happen! God Himself defines the new covenant by these four promises; they are the DNA of the new covenant. In short, the new covenant is the gospel! Why don’t more Christians already know this? God couldn’t have made it plainer. Could it be that some sinister force is at work to dull people’s minds and veil their hearts to the gospel lest people hear it, understand it, believe it, walk in it, and receive the full inheritance prepared for them from the creation of the world? RESPONDING: THE EXPERIENTIAL DIMENSION OF THE COVENANTS In the preface to God’s definition of the new covenant, He says: “If that first covenant had been faultless” (Heb. 8:7, NKJV), there would have need no need for a new covenant. So what was so “faulty” (“wrong” NIV) with the first covenant that required a new one? Surprisingly, God does not list things here like a weak human priesthood or animal sacrifices that could not accomplish forgiveness, and so forth, or anything at all that directly pertains to the covenant itself which He made with His people. Rather, He explicitly explains where the fault lies: “Finding fault with them . . . I will make a new covenant . . . -because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD” (vv. 8, 9, NKJV, emphasis supplied). Here, in straightforward, unambiguous language, God instructs us that when He thinks of covenant, and when Scripture speaks about covenant, He includes how people respond to the promises and appeals He made through the covenants as well. Furthermore, He refers to the three types of covenants covered from last week: the archetypal everlasting covenant and its origin in the nature of the Trinity; its adaptation in the covenant of grace designed to redeem humanity from the pandemic of sin; and to the historical covenants’ progressive unveiling of the full gospel throughout history. There are historical old and new covenants and there are experiential old and new covenants. Just as surely as there are a series of historical old covenants (with Adam, Abraham, Israel, and so on) and a historical new covenant (initiated when Jesus came in history), so too are there experiential old and new covenants depending on how people respond to the gospel promises and appeals God made and makes through His historical covenants. The secret to decoding the covenant(s) includes understanding the gospel promises as they are revealed in the historical covenants and the responses of the people to those promises. An experiential old covenant may be defined as responding to the gospel by rejecting it outright or by accepting it outwardly only, complying with it legalistically to gain heaven and escape hell. It represents an unconverted life. An experiential new covenant is defined as responding to the gospel internally, from the heart, by faith in, and reliance on, the promises of God, resulting in an obedience that issues naturally through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, who writes God’s law on one’s heart. Paul describes his life before conversion as a life of “confidence in the flesh” (Phil. 3:3), religious to the hilt, obedient to the law from childhood up, confident that concerning a “righteousness, which is in the law [he was] blameless” (v. 6, NKJV; “faultless” in NIV). Though he was living in the new covenant historical era, he had an old covenant experience. After his conversion to Jesus, he considered his previous obedience “as rubbish” (NKJV) and accepted a new “righteousness . . . through faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith” (vv. 8, 9, NIV)-a new covenant experience. To think of the old and new covenants as experiences in other than exclusively historical terms will be a new skill for many of us. But God Himself pointed us in this direction when He said He would not have needed a new covenant had He not found fault with the people because they failed to “continue in My covenant” (Heb. 8:9, NKJV). Their response to His covenant had resulted in an old covenant experience without hope. He responded with a new covenant, appealing for a new covenant response and a new covenant experience in which they would fully, faithfully, obediently embrace the inheritance He had prepared for them from the beginning of the world. WHERE is there just one mention of the Sabbath being abolished? >>>>Galatians 3:27-28 KJV For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Lehi had two sons? This guy is the expert? All due resoect but if you start with Godmakers and give incorrect basic information about the Scriptures theres not much expertise and, dare i say, a fair amount of false witness.
Agreed. He builds up his Pathos and Ethos really well and then never touches Logos. He misrepresents nearly everything. I doubt he’s studied as earnestly as he would like us to believe.
Thank you Patrick Madrid. I recently left the Catholic church for the Mormon church, simply because they have have a greater sense of community. And that's something I don't find in the Catholic church. Needless to say I've been baptized Mormon and recieved the aaronic priesthood, but here's where things get awfully fishy. They don't talk about everything before they continually try to get you progressed in the church. The fact that Jesus was a mortal man, the fact that there is a plurality of Gods, the fact that there's no evidence of a nephite community, so on and so forth. At the time I would've found this irrelevant because I really wanted a stronger sense of community. They're really trying for me to get endowed and married in the church but something inside me tells me that they're just pushing an agenda on people. And if you really look at it, the idea of Joseph Smith being a prophet, and that there's a quorum of 12 apostles is awfully ridiculous. Needless to say, my intentions were never substantial, but there is great compelling evidence the the LDS church is a cult with strange beliefs and or doctrines. I'm happy to say that I will talk to my missionaries about this and formally resign. The thing is they are very emotionally invested in this so I find it kind of difficult to unaffiliate from them.
@@johhh210 I obviously don't know what I'm talking about and for that I do sincerely apologize. Take my apologies worth giving. I am not answering your question but thank you for making me see how ridiculous of a statement I made. I am schizophrenic but that's okay. All I'm saying is that my behavior is a reflection of my commentary. I don't mean to say weird things. I'm normal as I should be acceptable. But to answer your question the lds "church" is beautiful. You almost can't deny it untill you see for yourself. Like I said, irrelevant, but thank you. Um, I don't know about catholicism but if you want to teach me something go ahead. I'm all open to talk.
i'm a mormon who listens to relevant radio all day most days of the week.i find the catholic church to be a beautiful religion with some precious truths. i would be a catholic if i didnt feel the holy spirit so much stronger in my faith. thank you patrick i appreciate your knowledge i even have read a few of your books.God bless.
I searched for God for a very long time. There were Mormons in my family history, but I was raised in the Baptist sect. However, I knew that most of what I was taught in Sunday school had no basis in history. I had to disconnect from the emotionalism that pulled me in a lot of directions. After thousands of hours of reading and listening to debate after debate, I knew that I had two choices - Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy. Nothing in the volumes of Church history supports the Mormon version of events. Just like there were no dogmatic Baptists or Pentecostals in the first 16 centuries of Christianity, there were no Mormons. If you can find one, I'd love to hear about it. I'm not telling you to follow me. I'm just telling you to ask yourself if any of this stuff makes logical sense.
I hope one day you learn that the Holy Spirit is very real, powerful, comforting, and constrains the Church to God's will. But it does not provide personal revelation through feelings, as the Mormon church teaches. That idea is not found in Christianity. It's an idea the Mormons came up with to deal with the problem that there is no evidence for their false religion. It's called fideism, and it's false. Come to Christianity, where we have history, archeology, prophecy, and evidence on our side. God bless.
Most of these "informative" lectures sound the same. What they leave out is how this false church with crazy beliefs is ruining circles around every other religion today and getting far far better results at both the micro and macro levels. Christ is supposed to be preparing His people and church for His return but the Catholic churchs power and influence are waning into virtual irrelevance. This video does little to explain why that is happenng.
As mere human creatures, we are trying our best. We are not God, but Jesus did leave a Church not the Bible u use today. Btw: was ur faith tradition there at the compilation of the Bible?
I’ve been to the missionary training center in Utah and to the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego. As someone who experienced both let me tell you they are nothing alike. They shouldn’t be mentioned in the same talk let alone be compared to one and other.
I am amazed that Churches spend so much time tearing down the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As a member I have never attended a talk or podcast in the Church talking of other faiths. My Dad in Salmon, Idaho attended a meeting of Catholics, Protestants, and Baptists who were there to listen to some apostate member tear down our faith. Dad went with a friend who walked out early but my Dad endured it to the end, and then kindly walked up and shared his testimony of the Church and then left. He died in 2011 and about a year later appeared to an inactive grandson at a church banquet and told him he was happy to see him at church. I love everything about the LDS Church!!! I love the fourteen year old boy who went out and prayed to know which Church to join, not expecting the Father and Son, Jesus Christ to appear. Jesus told him not to join any of them and that he had a work for him to do. He didn’t know he was going to fulfill Acts 3:18-21. Of course his family embraced him while most people harassed him. But he couldn’t and never did deny this vision. The Lord didn’t choose a preacher or educated grown up but a small boy who like our Savior grew from grace to grace. He didn’t go out and organize the Church until the Lord’s preparation was completed including translation of the Book of Mormon, John the Baptist restoring Aaronic Priesthood and Peter James and John the Melkezedic Priesthood. Only then was the Church restored. I love the knowledge I have of my Heavenly Father and His son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. Three separate members of the godhead. Not a god defined in the Niacine Creed ascribed by other faiths; A god without body, parts, or passions. As I read the scriptures I believe Jesus when he says he only does the things he’s seen his Father do. I believe the Father came at Christ’s baptism and said ‘this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased’. I believe at the tomb Jesus tells Mary, I go to my God and your God, and to my Father and your Father. Yes and I believe we are in the very image of the Father and our Savior. When He appeared to the apostles He said handle me and see a spirit hath not flesh and bones. Did Jesus die a second death? I think not. Then my favorite scripture in the Bible is John 17 where Christ prays that He may become one with the Father and share in His glory. Then he prays for the apostles and then for each of us who believe on their words, that we may also become one with the Father and the Son. I know I can become one with them as I have felt their love and presence in my life as I’ve exercised faith in Them. The restoration fulfilled other prophecies as well. In Isaiah 29 the prophecy of a book coming from the dust, fulfilled. In Ezekiel 37: 16-20 talks of the stick of Judah being put together with the stick of Joseph and they shall be one in thine hand; the Bible and the Book of Mormon. How about Malachi 4:5,6 where he prophesied of the coming of Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. Where is he? The Jews still set a plate waiting for his coming. He came with the Savior in the Kirkland Temple in 1836. He returned the sealing powers of the priesthood. Moses restored the keys to the gathering of Israel. Without the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ the second coming will not happen if you believe the Bible’s teachings. Yes, this is the fastest growing Christian Church, but we love our brothers of all faiths and work with them where we can , including Catholic Charities. All those who have left the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have their personal story. But as for me and the millions who have remained faithful, we love the gospel and I would never leave it. The covenants I’ve received in the temple including my eternal marriage to my lovely wife and being sealed to my posterity I would never forsake! Christ appeared to His other sheep. He has come in this the last dispensation and is the head of His Church. We receive His guidance through scriptures and modern prophets and apostles who receive guidance thru revelation of the Lord. I know the Church is true and I love my Savior and my Father in Heaven and feel at one with them as I have come to know them.
What I see in mormonism is is a good healthy way to live your life. Many catholics could get some tips from the mormon healthy living lifestyle. Copied a blurb Mormons follow a strict healthy lifestyle that doesn't allow them to consume alcohol, tobacco, coffee or tea. Family life, good deeds, respect for authority and missionary work are important values in Mormonism." Saying all that I consider myself a great admirer of Roman Catholicism and am very disappointed in myself that I dropped out of catechism less than a month before completing it.
Mormonism is God's message to all of His children in these last days. It debunks false teachings such as celibacy,infant baptism,sale of indulgencies and idol worship to name just few. I was born a catholic but joined The Church of Jesus Christ o Latter Day Saints in 1987 served mission in 1990 1992 sharing the restored gospel and truthfulness of The Book of Mormon. And found out that we can go directly to Heavenly Father and ask Him about His Great Plan of Happiness in that Jesus Christ is the central figure in it no one else not Joseph Smith nor Mormon nor Patrick Madrid
The issues of blatant racism in the LDS churches scripture are more than enough for me to realize the lies and errors of Joseph Smith without having to taking into account his bungling an Egyptian burial papyrus(Book of Abraham). The early Mormon church just looks like another WASP religion with a hint of American manifest destiny.
I certainly hope that anyone watching this recognizes the desperation and fear Patrick feels with regard to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is such a threat that he must detour from preaching Catholicism to attacking The Church of Jesus Christ. If Catholicism was what it claims to be, there would be no need to attack other faiths. I have never seen this type of display in The Church of Jesus Christ. Only the Gospel of Jesus Christ is taught. We fear no other creed. We merely invite others to come and understand what we have seen.
Defending the faith , faith is so subjective. Love is confused with god's rightousness. Under the old covenant sin was only covered by animal blood. The new is much more effective, regards sin and no forgiveness in blasphemous rejection of the true message.
Brother Pat your question to former father was effective because he was a former priest. Hope you could give us a fair amount of impact questions to ask their members. Thank you for your ministry. God bless you brother.
quote--Mormonism conveniently claim that the pre-mortal existence is wiped from our memories...-unquote Revelation 21:4 There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” NLV. God will take away all their tears. There will be no more death or sorrow or crying ... ----Ecclesiastes 1:11 King James Version (KJV) There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
@byonnoyb - It's not convenience. John talk about the pre-mortal existence in Revelation. You can also read about the pre-earth existence in Psalm, Galatians, and Ephesians.
Also mormon guys at work claim they get classes from ex priests to explain the evils of the Catholic Church. I argue he is wrong on Catholics. But naturally he gets hostile because he has the word of an ex priest who knows Better than I. Yes my Mormon brother who is a bishop still likes me but his wife is another story.
About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath" Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174. "The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893. "The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893. "Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day? "Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day. "Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? "Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910. What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D. >>>>Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day......(.Saturday) Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (Sunday) Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,(After sunset Saturday) Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Sunday) Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, (friday) and the Sabbath was about to begin Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.( Just before sunset Friday) Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, .... (Sunday) John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day (Friday), in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one, John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation (Friday), since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, (Sunday)
I live in area of Texas that has a growing Mormon population so it is fun to learn about their beliefs even though I do find much truth in what they are selling.
People who read the Quran end up like the 15 year old kid who just stabbed Bishop Mari Mari. I'll stick with the Bible and the Church Christ established.
We are actually promised to become god's and and goddesses. So yes, women get godhood too But notice the lowercase g. We become JOINT heirs WITH Christ. Hense goodhood. That does hot however mean we will be worshipped. Only the one true God is worshipped.
@johhh210 kind of. From what I'm understanding, it's our galaxy. But I think that is something I will end up learning more about in the next life, aka the resurrection. We do not believe in reincarnation.
@@akpred Yeah I've heard of gods and goddesses, but why won't you be worshiped since gods are supposed to be worshiped? What's the point of becoming gods then, what does it even mean? I'm a Catholic myself and I've always found Mormonism to be so interesting to study. No offense please, however I find very little logic in Mormonism. Nonetheless it's very interesting
@johhh210 no offense taken I think the same thing about some of the things taught in catholicism, though i have thought if I decided I didn't believe in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints any longer I would convert to catholicism. We are remarkably similar in so many ways. To answer your question the: We believe we will be a superhuman being having power granted us by God On earth, we call it the priesthood power. In the resurrected life, we will have more ability to use those powers. We may use them to create worlds of our own or help God create more worlds. We have not been given a revelation on that yet, so it is currently one of our unknowns.
What is most important is how people live out their faith lives...whether Catholic or Mormon, how are they living out their faith and serving the lord? Yes, that truth matters, and most Mormons I know live out their faith honestly, truthfully, and with care and kindness for the whole church family and human race. Can't say anything bad about the LDS church or faith at all, only goodness.
It’s about living in the light of truth with love, which will spring care, kindness etc.; rather than just about living a caring and kind life, which every faithless person can do. Also the constant poaching people into their pseudo- or half-truth faith isn’t an act of love either.
Well, Jesus is going to return to Israel on the mount of olives, so I like to listen to the Jews that accepted Jesus in Israel , so a great band on u-tube is Jewish Messianic Alliance Israel. Also on u-tube - One for Israel.
Im a member of the church of the lds church. For 62 years. The plural marriage is not required in the afterlife. Becoming like god is equally shared in a marriage. One is not without the other as equals. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I joined the LDS church at 16 years old. My mother and father were going through a divorce and the LDS sisters were extremely kind to her. I spent the next 12 years in the church, attended BYU and BYUI, got married in the temple and everything. When I had my son, I slowly began to realize that while I, personally, felt just "okay" being a member of the church, I knew I didn't want my son to be in it. I couldn't explain it then, but I just felt it was wrong and I couldn't subject my child to it. I began to research the faith, learn about the church history, and actually studied scripture deeply. I QUICKLY realized that while the LDS church teaches some lovely ideas and doctrines, they were simply and so incredibly, OBVIOUSLY, false. I stepped away from it slowly, and my husband soon followed for his own reasons.
I spent the next three years in a "where do I go from here" confusion. I tried New Age, I tried going back to my Protestant roots (what I was originally raised before I became LDS), and then thought I was Agnostic. But one day, I felt impressed to buy a new Bible (I threw out all my old Mormon things including my old scriptures previously), and study. I had a PASSION to learn God's word again. I came across some passages that would eventually lead to exploring Catholicism. Primarily, John 6, where I came to really believe Jesus meant His literal flesh and blood. I realized that I had never considered becoming Catholic because it was engrained in me as child that Catholicism was NOT an option. They "worshipped Mary" and "prayed to saints" and all that stuff, lol. And if there's one thing Protestants and Mormons can agree on, is how much they hate Catholics.
But by studying the Word AND studying the Church Fathers and early Christian history (something I was never encouraged to do in Protestantism or Mormonism or even knew were available to me) I realized there was a rich Christian history that pointed directly to the Catholic Church.
All that to say, I am still learning and researching, but I begin RCIA tomorrow! Please pray for me!
Did you ever study about the time one living Mormon prophet dug the dead body of a previous Mormon prophet and put him on trial and excommunicated him?
No, you never heard that, that's because it was a pope. , Pope Stephen VI who dug up the body of Pope Formosus and put him on trial. Is that something you guys talk about in the Catholic church?
@mitchellosmer1293 yeah you're on drugs
@mitchellosmer1293 The apostles met on the first day of the week because it's the Lord's Day, Sunday, the day he rose from the dead. From the very beginning, it's been the day of worship for Christians. We see it in scripture and history in every generation. If you want to be a Jew and follow the works of the law, you can. But we Christians know we are not justified by the works in the law but by faith and obedience in Christ.
lmao did you ever read about the pope that said that people lived on the moon and they looked like quakers? Or the pope that married multiple underage girls without their father's consent?
No, you never read about that, that's because that was Brigham Young and Joseph Smith@@BrianTerrill
Did you ever read Esther 3:14 "Behold, I am Jesus Christ, I am the FATHER and the SON"
or what about Mosiah 16:15 "Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very ETERNAL FATHER. Amen."
Your own book of mormon contradicts your non-trinitarian heresy.
I could keep going, I could even share the book of mormon verses that were trinitarian in the 1832 edition but got changed in the 1900s to be less trinitarian, completely changed.
My grandfather was a historian in Nauvoo, a faithful Mormon until his last days. So I have 1832 editions, 1837 edition, 1845 edition, etc. You name it we can have a debate and we'll see how long you last. Im actually holding the 1832 in my hand right now, Ill gladly show you over a zoom call :)
@@BrianTerrill
I am the only Catholic in my family much of my family is LDS and I live in Utah. Pray for me to be a bold evangelizer!
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints love Jesus Christ with their whole hearts.
My husband read the Book of Mormon to prove it wrong when he was in his evangelical church and taught the lies and slander over the pulpit of his church and believed the lies to his core.
He ended up reading the Book of Mormon to prove it wrong, and had a “Saul” experience.
He ended up tracking down the missionaries and getting baptized.
My husband was a Roman Catholic before he became an evangelical.
Someday you too might learn the truth and not be so fearful of Latter-Day Saints.
They believe you and every single mortal is a literal creation and child of God.
That means you are pre ious and cherished by God. We know that God wants us to love all mortals whether they are members of the church or not. They matter to Him.
EVERY SINGLE human being.
So you don’t need to be fearful of LDS. ☀️❤️
I have been active Catholic since my childhood. Through an elderly coupIe I came to know about Joseph Smith and his findings. I have then read the Book of Mormon and the story of its founder . At the end of the book it says ask whether this book is written by God or the Satan. I WAS IN MY 20's then. I decided to really ask by fervent prayer and at the end I was inspired by the unknown force within me which led me to throw away the Book of Mormon and stick to the Holy Bible and continue to become even more stronger Catholic.
Buzz sound. Wrong answer
I love this so much 🙌🏼 Praise God!
Good decision 👍
😅 cool
I became a Catholic last year 😊
I was raised Mormon (they prefer to be called LDS now but when I was young that wasn't the case). I served a mission, I lived and breathed that church for 19 years. I ended up realizing it wasn't true on my mission. I was finding inconsistency after inconsistency, including a ton of highly trinitarian verses throughout the book of mormon.
I remember walking into a catholic church on my mission, in prince edward island. I felt so much peace, I went there so much my companion started getting upset at me.
Now I'm in the RCIA. All glory to God!
We welcome you to the
🇻🇦1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH 🇻🇦
I will pray for you
Roman Catholic Church does not predate any Scriptures. It came in ad300s. It was made the official religion of Rome in ad380 by Theodosius. Scriptures was written by Jewish Christian Apostles and Jewish Prophets. Not Roman Catholics. Acts 9:31 says nothing of Roman Catholic Church. Stop misquoting. Acts 9:31 clearly says the Christian Church spread to Judea Samaria and Galilee regions of Israel; not Rome. So all your claims fall to the ground. Bible only approves traditions of Jesus and Apostles. 2 Thes 2:15. But Bible rejects all man made unbiblical traditions of Pharisees and Roman Church alike. Mat 15, 23. Roman Church doctrines came from its own man made traditions. Not from Jesus or Apostles or Scriptures. 95% of them are so.
@@mitchellosmer1293wuz ur faith tradition there at the compilation of the Bible?
@@mitchellosmer1293 "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius in the 2nd century. Stop gaslighting people. The early church was the Catholic church
@@TruLuan quote--- "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius in the 2nd century. Stop gaslighting people. The early church was the Catholic church. unquote
According ato a mere man with NO agenda, unbiased?
----btw--many of his so-called letters were found to be fakes!!!
There ABSOLUTELY NOT ONE verse in ALL the Bible that mentions "Catholic"!!!!!!
>>
The Catholic Church themselves state: "Sunday is a catholic Institution...From the beginning to the end of Scriptures (from Genesis to Revelation) there is NOT a single passage which warrents the transferance of the weekly public worship from the last day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday) of the week" (Catholic Press, Sunday August 25, 1970.
"Sunday is a MARK of Our authority, the (catholic) Church is above the Bible and the transference of Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday observance is proof of that fact" (Catholic Record Sept. 1, 1923)
The Bible days "remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day" The Catholic Church ssys "NO! By my divine Power I abolish the Sabbath day (Saturday), and command you to keep holy the first day of the week (Sunday "the venerable pagan worship day of the sun"). And Lo - the entire civilized world bows down in reverend obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church" (Father Enright, "American Sentinel", June 1893)... and there are many more such blaspemious quotes by the catholic church themselves
>>>The Catechism of the Council of Trent, p 402 second revised edition says, "The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday!" And “Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is NO SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY” - Stephen Keenan A Doctrinal Catechism p 174.
>>>BIBLE PROPHECY ROME DESTROYED
If the Catholic religion iS the one Jesus taught, then why is it called the "Apostate church"? And why is it called the "Whore of Babylon"? Revelation 17:5
Why will it be destroyed?
www.soonrussiaattacks.com/Documents/Bible_Prophecy/Rome_Destroyed.htm
While I was in grad school on an externship I had a LDS classmate and were shared a room. We talked about Catholicism and Mormonism, and I'll never forget him saying that if he weren't Mormon, he would be Catholic because it makes the most sense to him. That meant a lot to me. As far as I know, he never converted. But just the fact that he didn't run me down and I never ran him down, but we listened to each other to the point that he even thought about making that statement, it meant a lot.
Religion and Sense do not mix anymore than oil and water! I was raised in a super-Catholic family where nearly all my relatives were priests, nuns, Monsignor, alter boys etc. Lack of sensibility drove me away from that, then from a fundy sect which put the final screws in the religiosity coffin. Pick any bible. Defines “contradiction”… moral guidance? Lets look at how to handle your slaves… freedom and liberty? You can’t have either if you believe truly! Don’t you find it a “mysterious way” that He lets the best people suffer and die? Do all the Ukrainians deserve it? Damn I’m so grateful to have evolved out of the cruelty and lack of love and compassion that Christianity today practices; Onward Christian Soldiers! No thanks! I take responsibility for all my actions, instead of blaming some other person or being. Or using it to justify hate, ie just about every war ever. Im done with fakery and fairy tales. We need to save our species first! JC aint comin…
@@mudslinger888 I understand what you're saying, but Jesus did not teach those things. People will abuse anything (including the Bible) to justify their actions.
You obviously planted a seed. Many times the one who plants the seed doesn’t see it sprout and grow into a beautiful plant. One plants the Seed, another waters and a third harvests. But there can be no growth at all, no life, if the seed is never planted. Well done.
Pray for his conversion
He is cursed
you should have converted him
Props to Mormons for always being super friendly, not easy in this day and age.
There is a reason why they are "always friendly". They will brainwash you with lies about the Mormon cult church
Its part pf the spell theyre under
They are cursed
They are not super friendly if ur a Catholic, found that out from (2) ex-co workers
I wished I didn't see their mean mean side, full of airs. At the same time I'm glad I did. It sadly shows theirs is more of a self-adulating church.... Too self congratulatory, they couldn't manage to focus on, and deepen, their relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ whose real Person they've so adulterated.
@GPB1101 seeing as you had alot of mean mean in this comment. I would be interested to hear what was so adulterated, self adulating, and congratulatory. And why you felt there was no deep connection with Christ.
I recently met Patrick Madrid at a Connecticut Catholic men's conference. And he's another inspiration to me like Scott Hahn.
Something about Mormons is that it helps to be nice to them. It doesn’t help to make them feel like they are being put on the defensive. They are extremely nervous about being persecuted and rejected. They want to feel like others respect them as people. So don’t be rude or arrogant with them. Be patient and understanding. For many of them, Mormonism has been their whole world.
I went to the Mormon school for 3 years, and of course I learn about Joseph Smith and I didn’t feel anything there, but through my research and sufferings, I found the Catholic Church instead and converted to the faith.
If you need to know the Catholic faith, always do your research and pray about it, God always answers, and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you to the truth.
About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath"
Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174.
"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910.
What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
quote---if you need to know the Catholic faith, always do your research,,,, unquote
I did!!!
This is what I found:
Catholic version of the Ten Commandments:
1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.
NOTE--NO Biblical scripture provided!!!
NOTE: # 9 & 10---
NOTE: the number of words in the 3rd.
-*****-Now--the CHRISTIAN version as written by God:
Ex 20:3-17
#1-----v3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
#2----v4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
#3-----v7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
#4----v8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
#5----v12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
#6---v13 “You shall not murder.
#7----v14 “You shall not commit adultery.
#8---v15 “You shall not steal.
#9----v16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
#10----v17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
NOTE: No verses 4-6 in the Catholic version!!!
NOTE--Christian version---ALL Commandments are QUOTED from the HOLY BIBLE!!
NOTE--How many words there are regarding the Sabbath Commandment--to the Catholic version.
NOTE ---verse 17--compared to the catholic version #9 and 10.
ALL THE SAME subject and ALL ONE VERSE--#17.
Total words in the CV? About 100.
God's version? OVER 400!!!!
--DO NOT try to tell me the Christian version is wrong!!! I have had Jewish rabiis tell me that what I have--IS CORRECT!!!
So, who is wrong?? The Rabbiis--or the CC????
@@mitchellosmer1293 Sad you called the Bible the "Christian" Bible when the Catholic church has been around for more than 2000 years, just around the time when Jesus was around so yes, Catholics ARE the original CHRISTIANS.
All of the Catholic commandments are in the Bible, after Jesus's resurrection his apostles gathered on the FIRST DAY of the week. They only went to synagogues on Saturday to PREACH not to worship. Find a verse in the new testament AFTER the resurrection in which Jesus and the apostles gathered on Saturday instead of Sunday. You will not find it. Not everything is literally said or mentioned in the Bible, you and I know it, do more research on the history of Christianity.
Acts 20:7
And upon the FIRST DAY of the week, when the disciples CAME TOGETHER TO BREAK BREAD, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."
John 20:19-
Then, the same day at evening, being the FIRST DAY of the week, when the doors were shut where the DISCIPLES WERE ASSEMBLED for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.”
John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only BROKE THE SABBATH, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
The rest of the commandments you can investigate yourself.
@@mitchellosmer1293 Also, not sure why you are using Jews as your backup since they don't even recognize Christ as the messiah...
@@papasfritas6071exactly
Protestant plebs do the most insane mental gymnastics ever
I have talked to mormon missionaries, they come once, maybe twice and then, they never come again in front of my house. Because i start questioning them about their thinking, and that happens also with the jehovas witnesses. GOD bless his true church.
🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH 🇻🇦
@@OliveMule quote---THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH -unquote
Then quote that FROM the Holy Word of GOD!!!!! The Bible!!
According TO THE BIBLE, there was NO SUCH name of that church before 100AD!!!
FACTS:
>>>Peter in Jerusalem---
Galatians 1:18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas(Peter) and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 I saw none of the other apostles-only James, the Lord’s brother. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.
Peter to Jerusalem-------Paul to Rome.
>>>
WAS PETER EVER IN ROME? READ ROMANS 16, WRITTEN FROM ROME BY PAUL. PAUL LISTS 27 PEOPLE. PETER WAS NOT EVEN MENTIONED.
ABOUT 80-90 A.D. PETER WROTE TWO EPISTLES (NEAR THE END OF THE NEW TESTAMENT), A TOTAL OF 8 CHAPTERS AND NEVER MENTIONED ONE TIME THAT HE WAS A “POPE” OR THAT THERE WAS A “CATHOLIC CHURCH.” DID THE HOLY SPIRIT AND PETER FORGET TO TELL US SOMETHING IMPORTANT OR IS SUCH SIMPLY NOT TRUE???
Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion (Matthew 20:20-28; Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 3:11
FACTS:
>>>Although Peter recognized himself as an apostle (see, e.g., 1 Pet. 1:1; 2 Pet. 1:1), he never claimed a superior title, rank, or privilege over the other apostles. He even referred to himself as a “fellow elder” (1 Pet. 5:1) and as “a bond-servant” of Christ (2 Pet. 1:1). Far from claiming honor and homage for himself, he soberly warns his fellow elders to guard against lording it over those under their pastoral care (1 Pet. 5:3). The only glory he claimed for himself was that which is shared by all believers and which is yet “to be revealed, … when the Chief Shepherd appears” (vv. 1, 4).
FACTS:
FACT: When did Peter die in the Bible?
Peter is believed to have died as a martyr for his faith. Although his death is not described in Scripture, numerous writers of the time (or shortly thereafter) described his death as having occurred in Rome during the reign of the emperor Nero in 64 CE.
So, what about this?
Tradition has it that the Apostle Peter ordained Ignatius as bishop of Antioch in AD 69.
Five years AFTER Peter died Ignatius was ordained by Peter???
FACTS:
Tradition holds that the first Gentile church was founded in Antioch, Acts 11:20-21, where it is recorded that the disciples of Jesus Christ were first called Christians (Acts 11:26). It was from Antioch that St. Paul started on his missionary journeys to Rome.
ACTS-written between 70 Ad--90 AD--- CHRISTIANS--NOT CATHOLIC!!!!!
At least 40 years AFTER Christ!!!!------
*****When was the first Christian church built?
The earliest archeologically identified Christian church is a house church (domus ecclesiae), the Dura-Europos church, founded between 233 and 256. In the second half of the 3rd century AD, the first purpose-built halls for Christian worship (aula ecclesiae) began to be constructed.
CHRISTIAN--NOT CATHOLIC!!!!!
FACT: First Catholic church built in Jerusalem in 326AD!! LONG after Peter died. So, how could he be the Pope of a church that did NOT exist for another 250 years????
A superb presentation by Patrick Madrid! Thank you!
Thank you for the detailed explanation of Mormonism. I wish more people would question what they believe in. Always seek the real truth.
Why would you not, Guy? (Interesting choice of screen name by the way, good Catholic that he was) Your question infers that a scholar like Patrick Madrid would be incapable of describing Mormonism because he himself is not a Mormon. What specifically did he say that was incorrect? I would only dismiss a Baptist's description of Catholicism when he describes something that is untrue. That pesky thing TRUTH keeps coming up doesn't it? I personally feel this was a succinct and thorough examination of a faith that has some serious issues of origin. Perhaps YOU should dig a little deeper yourself. Problems of origin do tend to cause a lot of problems for not just Mormons but Protestants too. The Mormon faith is just another in a LONG line of faiths that are a reduction of, a subtraction of, or a revision of Catholicism. THAT is a matter of history, not opinion.
@Samwell I f at all he simply came out with his own explanation without making research first that would indeed be perfectly wrong , however it's important for a wise person to research enough about the origin of his faith other than simply following luring voices that cover all corners of the world, and that requires reading and getting from the very source as he did right?
Carmen,. Yes you should ask the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation through HIS finished and COMPLETED work for salvation
I'm a convert from a reformed Protestant tradition. Mr.Madrid's arguments against the Mormon teaching of the Great Apostacy (36:40+) also apply to my former Protestant belief that the Catholic Church went off the rails at some unspecified point, probably in the time of Constantine. But, when I looked into the matter, I concluded the biblical and historical evidence did not support such a position. Now, as a Catholic, I cringe when I consider how my Protestant brothers and sisters agree with the Mormons on this point.
quote-- teaching of the Great Apostacy (36:40+) also apply to my former Protestant belief that the Catholic Church went off the rails at some unspecified point, probably in the time of Constantine. --unquote
About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath"
Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174.
"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910.
What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
@@mitchellosmer1293did Jesus leave a Church or the Bible u use today? Is Jesus the new covenant and not greater than Moses? Unless ur an ethnic Jew.
Btw: was ur faith tradition there at the compilation of the Bible?
This was enlightening! My daughter was raised Catholic, had a friend in the Mormon church. Was invited to their church and welcomed with open arms and befriended many missionaries that passed through our area. She was baptized in the church and is now married to a Mormon. It breaks my heart. I pray for them.
Tell that Jospeh Smith is the devil.
Praying for your daughter and son-in-law to revert/convert to the Fullness of the Truth (Catholic Faith).
@@marcihf217 quote--Praying for your daughter and son-in-law to revert/convert to the Fullness of the Truth (Catholic Faith).-unquote
==QUOTE the HOLY BIBLE that mentiones : Fullness of the Truth (Catholic Faith in any way , shape, or form.
What a tragedy
This hurts my heart to read
I will pray for them and i will work better at helping the mormons i know to convert
My husband and I were not raised as Christians, but in my 40’s I kept getting the desire to find a church and began “trying out” most of the Christian churches in our town (over a few years time).
We had 4 kids (not raised in any church) and our oldest married a Mormon girl in 2000. After our first grandchildren arrived we decided to find out about the LDS faith. We had the lessons from the sisters and prayed but I just couldn’t get past the reverence for Joseph Smith. It really turned me off. Also - not being allowed to attend their wedding was an enormous sore spot - that practice is so divisive and wrong.
The prayers with the lessons did however leave me open to belief in Jesus Christ - which I had never felt - only a vague higher power belief. I knew really nothing about Christ. But I knew I could never have testimony of Joseph Smith which is what we were asked to do.
I began attending a Bible study with a First Baptist group and occasionally going to their services. One day a member of the study fervently proclaimed that the Mormons were going to hell. Stood up and gestured down and spoke with very strong conviction. No one contradicted him. I got very upset and told him my son, daughter in law and grandkids weren’t going to hell! Well, another religion bites the dust for me.
My husband says - let’s check out the Catholic Church - he went to a Catholic high school for 3 years and had a fondness for it. I was super hesitant so he asked the priest to call me so I could ask him if he believed the Mormons were going to hell. I will never forget his loving answer. “Well, that wouldn’t be a very loving God now, would it?” I now know some Catholic theologists don’t agree with him but it was exactly what I needed to hear and it is certainly what I believe.
After a few months of attending Mass, my husband and I started RCIA and I became Catholic at the age of 53.
I am so happy and grateful for our blessed church - I have been on the RCIA team for several years and I love being a lector. My semi-agnostic former self would never have dreamed that I would ever be lectoring the word of God in front of a congregation - and a Catholic one at that!
My problem is that I can’t really even ask questions of my seven beautiful, loving, talented, kind LDS grandchildren. Occasionally they will say things like theirs is the one true Church and Joseph Smith is a prophet. That doesn’t happen often, but I can’t say anything. I know that would be forbidden and my son and daughter in law would not want that influence on their kids. I pray for them and try to set an example as a Catholic grandma who is filled with the Holy Spirit. I did take one of my granddaughters to church one time when she was spending the night and I was going to lector. She said she really liked it - she knelt and read the Creed and I was apprehensively excited! But she is now on a mission for her church. You never know though! If I became Catholic anyone can!
Try to experience the Holy Traditional Latin Mass if there's one in your area.
@@deluge848 I would like to - but I don’t know how to find one.
@@HolyMoly432
My husband converted from Catholicism to evangelical.
He taught all the “anti” lies about the church of Jesus Christ over his pulpit of his evangelical church.
He eventually read the Book of Mormon to prove it wrong to some young adults he respected.
He had a “Saul” experience and ended up tracking down the missionaries and was baptized.
We love our Catholic brothers and sisters. We attend mass with my in-laws every Christmas Day.
We have taught our children to love and celebrate their Catholic neighbors and celebrate their love of Christ with them.
We as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints love Jesus Christ as well.
Best of blessings as you love your grandchildren and respect their faith.
My mother and father-in law were so respectful of my husband when he converted to the Church of Jesus Christ. And we love and respect them and their Catholic faith.
Christ doesn’t want us to hate each other. ❤️☀️
What a SPOON FED learning for me!!! Many Thanks Patrick Madrid. Will have to BEAR my own WITNESS from now. THANK YOU SO MUCH for this very INSPIRING and EDUCATIONAL talk. GOD BLESS YOU MORE AND MORE AND MORE!
Thanks dear brother Patrick, keep up the good work, God bless you and your family, love from India , pray for India
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Im a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I disagree with some stuff here, but in the end this video is so much stronger then anything from evangelicals.
I respect Patrick Madrid and listen to his radio show almost every day. He misspoke about Blacks being allowed into the priesthood in 1968, it was actually 1978. I moved with my Irish/Catholic family to Utah in 1964 when I was 16. I recall my middle aged neighbor back in Utah telling me and my brothers about the "black skin as a curse" belief of Mormons. We questioned him incredulously about this, telling him we, and the Catholic Church, did not share this belief and he got very frustrated. Finally he said, and I quote, "How would you like your sister to marry a big black n....r." We told him that was her decision, not ours. He walked away in frustration.
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Wow!
Would you say that the belief you just expressed is ramped amongst mormonism?
Oh wow! 😢😮
😂 that just sounds funny
Ugh. I don't think I have the patience to read with falsehoods. It's more joyful to be reading the Truth. God blees, Patrick Madrid, who is trying to understand the heresies of our day and reaching out to those who adhere to them to help them see the Light.
For me, the fact that the Book of Mormon was translated into King James English in 1830 something, when that was not spoken in the United States speaks volumes. So, the Church was totally apostate by the 3rd century, but they use the language type of King James and the Anglican Church's language to document their belief???
There are several explanations as to the origin of the Book of Mormon. Adherents to the Latter Day Saint movement view the book as a work of divinely inspired scripture, which was written by ancient prophets in the ancient Americas. Non-Mormon theories of authorship propose that it is solely the work of man.
Adherents mostly accept Joseph Smith's account of translating ancient golden plates inscribed by prophets. Smith preached that the angel Moroni, a prophet in the Book of Mormon, directed him in the 1820s to a hill near his home in Palmyra, New York, where the plates were buried. Besides Smith himself, there were at least 11 witnesses who said they saw the plates in 1829, and three also claiming to have been visited by an angel. Several other witnesses observed Smith dictating the text that eventually became the Book of Mormon.
THAT OBVIOUSLY makes your comments wrong!!
Who would of that the Mormon's had italian angels.
Just before listening to this video I had listened to "Drew the Catholic" where he was talking with a former Mormon bishop who was becoming a Catholic. It was a very interesting video. This former bishop, who had been excommunicated because he divorced his Mormon wife, was in Rome. He went down to where most popes are interred. He saw where St. Peter lies and realized that the great apostasy had never happened. The first thought he had was, "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church, and death itself will not have any power over it."
You don't get exed for getting divorced, you get exed for committing adultery...aka personal Apostasy. This isn't really the win you think it is.
@@HaleStorm49well was hoping for a win of souls
Very inspiring , I wish catholic authorities in our Arch Diocese, Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea invite catholic apologists like Mr Madrid, Hahn, Trent and the other great apologists to give talks on many issues in relation to Catholicism.
Sad to note many Catholics leave the church because of their shallow knowledge and understanding of Catholicism.
I appreciate the great works of catholic apologists which has strengthened my faith.
Everyday I listen to Catholic answers and other catholic networks like catholic truth, journey home program, and so on.
I'm blessed having apologists like Patrick.
God bless!
quote---Everyday I listen to Catholic answers and other catholic networks like catholic truth, journey home program, and so on.--unquote
Here are some CC truths:
---About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath"
Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174.
"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910.
What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
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Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath
Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day......(.Saturday)
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (Sunday)
Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath).
Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,(After sunset Saturday)
Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Sunday)
Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, (friday) and the Sabbath was about to begin
Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.( Just before sunset Friday)
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, ....
(Sunday)
John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day (Friday), in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one,
John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation (Friday), since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early,
(Sunday)
@@mitchellosmer1293is Jesus the new covenant and greater than Moses? Did Jesus leave a Church or the Bible u use today?
Btw: was ur faith tradition there at the compilation of the Bible?
Very much needed as I was unsure all the things that Mormons believe. I listen to the Patrick Madrid Show every morning, but greatly appreciate an entire hour towards our religious differences.
so good thank you Patrick
As a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day, Saints, who knows the Scriptures and the church’s history, and sees the flaws I really enjoyed this. Is it possible that God is powerful enough to work miracles in the lives of his children, regardless of what the church they belong to? Is it possible that God is not overly concerned which church we belong to? I think so.
No because then there would be no need for Him to establish one and only Church. Remember the passage in the Bible where He said that He will build a church on Peter, meaning rock?
Just thinking about this logically though, it makes sense for there to be only one church/relogion because religions differ in so many things and it would be a logical fallacy for them all to just be true. For example some religions will tell you that homosexuality is fine and other ones will tell you it's not okay. So which one is correct? They can't both be correct because that would be a logical fallacy.
🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH 🇻🇦
I’m Catholic and I think so too. God doesn’t reject those who yearn for His love and channel God’s love to others. I think it was Pope Benedict who said something like this: Christianity is primarily a relationship with someone, that someone being Christ. This relationship trumps ideology or understanding. For example, someone who possesses a better understanding God’s truth (right mind), may not have the right heart and faith. With that said though, God’s fuller truth teaches us about how to have a relationship with Him through Christ, the Son, who instituted His Church and the sacraments. Catholics believe that we have the fuller truth and we keep the commandments and sacraments because they are life giving and sanctify us so that we may get to heaven. We do these because we love the triune God. For other non-Catholics, they may hold some truths, but not the fuller truth that was revealed by God (the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit) to his holy Catholic and apostolic church. However, there are plenty of bad Catholics out there that are catholic in name only and there are plenty of good non-Catholics. I think God sees us all as His children for Christ came to save all the world from sin and I think He is pleased when He sees us loving one another. God’s mercy is greater than we can imagine.
I'm a retired helicopter flight RN and living in AZ. Out of curiosity, I read the book of mormon, pearl of great price, and doctrine and covenants. IMHO, I found the books, particularly the b of m, to sound like the ramblings of a schizophrenic patient I had studied in college. I mean absolutely no disrespect to the poor folks who must undergo this mental illness. There is no treating Jesus as the Son of God. Thanks be to God for our Catholic Faith!
May God bless you all.
Yeah like LRon Hubbard...founder of scientology! A fiction similar author!
Those heretics
You're either schizophrenic or lying.
@@lakotafire2804
My evangelical husband read the Book of Mormon to prove it wrong to some young adults he knew. He wanted to save them from their cult.
He had a beautiful “Saul” like experience and ended up tracking down the missionaries and was baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints a few weeks later.
He realized he had taught and believed to his core lies, falsehoods and slander about members of the church.
The Lord did command “thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”
Sadly, people do this now without batting an eye, and they do it over the pulpits of their churches.
🥲🥲🥲
Acts 4:12
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
My contention is that Mormonism is a secondary schism from Protestantism, based in the developing culture of the United States in the 1830's. The King James Bible, translated in another country and two centuries before in 1611 was the Bible language of Protestant churches in the United States in 1830. So, the use of King James English in the translation of the Book of Mormon was designed to give it a sense of scriptural "authority".
quote---. The King James Bible, translated in another country and two centuries before in 1611 was the Bible language of Protestant churches in the United States in 1830. --unquote
So you knoq what was uswed to translate the KJV for references? The Latin Vulgate (SAME Bible the CC Used for OVER 400 years) and the Septaugint.
Who wrote the latin Vulgate/ St. Jerome (Catholic)
and what was used to translate the KJV??? The Septuagint, the scrolls of the OT and the Latin Vulgate. Where did the latin Vulgate come from?? Translated by St. Jerome from Araimaic, Greek and Hebrew to Latin.
Where did the OT come from?? The JEWS----
--btw--the Latin Vulgate the CC used it for OVER 400 years before writing their own version.
I love how you do what you are doing! I need to learn to do this more. Sir, maybe your mom is tired of doing what you are doing. She is your mom, just let her be! Be respectful and responsible.
Patrick Madrid is Amazing.
@vjiggy81- Depends on your perspective. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mr. Madrid got a lot of things incorrect and is not the expert he believes he is. He knows more than many non-members but is still repeating falsehoods about our doctrine that I hear from many other non-members.
@@micheleh3851🤔 so why when i went to revise the tenents of mormonism. The info that was presented turned out to be confirmed. 👍🏽 meaning mister Madrid is correct!
@vjiggy81 - What do you mean you revised the tenants of Mormonism? There are numerous errors in doctrine that Mr. Madrid made during his presentation. Some things he said were accurate but some was absolutely not.
@@micheleh3851i mean, that when i went, to verify weather mormonism believed in the father, son and holy spirit. In each as a seperate entity. Not as a triun god, which is what most basic christians believe in. The private group, on the internet, that was asked. Was found, to have confirmed! 👍🏽 that by all means, those assertions were true. So sofar it seems patrick madrid is following right along.
@vjiggy81 - Yes, we do believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not the same entity. We believe the Bible clearly teaches that Christ did not Father himself nor pray to himself nor ascend to himself, but to the Father. We believe the Trinune concept of God is man-made, such as at the Council of Nicea. The Triune is not Biblical.
I AM LUCKY TO CATHOLIC JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND AN EVERLASTING LIFE..AMEN
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." -- Voltaire
“I must give you a piece of intelligence that you perhaps already know, namely that the ungodly arch-villain Voltaire has died miserably like a dog, just like a brute. That is his reward!” -Mozart
@@thehungarywaffleinc.7775
How did Jesus die?
@@AtamMardes crucifixion?
@@thehungarywaffleinc.7775
A dude named Jesus may have existed as a person & may have been crucified, but Jesus the Messiah & savior, is a fictional figure made-up by fools repeating lies over generations.
@@thehungarywaffleinc.7775
There were no eyewitnesses of Christ's resurrection. Early Christian writers fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake backdated testimonials that the disciples & 500 others have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Christ.
Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints here. This speaker does a fantastic job building up his ethos and pathos throughout (especially the beginnings of) this video. He makes it clear how involved he’s been with members, he makes jokes, etc. However, as the video progresses, his actual logos is really nowhere to be found. He says he read the Godmakers and was, in a sense, disgusted by the tone of much of anti-Catholic material, and yet makes all those same, debunked, recycled, inconsiderate arguments against the LDS faith only a few minutes later. He makes a lot of claims about archeology, race, doctrine, etc. without referencing, with context, verses from the Triple Combination. He never presents counter-arguments to strengthen his logos. For instance, he throws the “skin of blackness” argument out there to startle those learning about the faith, but doesn’t acknowledge that the Old Testament says and does nearly the exact same thing. It’s a literally device, and a reference to disease and demeanor. Not African Americans. Furthermore, no Latter-day Saint believes Nephi’s family was Caucasian. They were all middle eastern. It was a contrast, not a modern-political-racial commentary. Not to mention part of the reason Joseph Smith was martyred was because of his abolitionist platform. Or the Book of Mormon verses saying all are alike/equal unto God. Or the 2nd Official Declaration in the D&C. He, the speaker in the video, also employs a logical fallacy known as Gish Gallop where one makes small, frequent claims about things as to create such an extensive list that it takes far longer to debunk than it does to start doubting from it. I’m always curious to learn more about others beliefs, that’s why I’m watching this to begin with, but I wholeheartedly believe that this man is intelligent enough to know the counter-arguments and context, yet chooses to deliberately ignore them. He is deceiving. There’s plenty of weird stuff in our history and doctrine. I wouldn’t say being an honest historian of LDS matters would force you to convert from the knowledge alone. But rather than focusing on that, he’s misrepresenting, exaggerating, or straight up lying about nearly all LDS beliefs to scare people away. I’m not calling him, the Catholic Church, or any Catholic individual Satan. However, this speaker is employing the exact same tactics that Satan uses to lie. Giving half truths with no context, twisting what’s been said, in order to get his outcome. If anyone has any genuine questions or really wants to learn, leave a comment, I will reply. In the meantime, peace and love be with you all. Never waver in your faith in Christ.
I grew up mormon. Everything he says is solid
@Aaron-SLC I grew up LDS and still LDS. Many of us LDS disnt read and did real reaserch of the LDS true doctrine and we kept defending these lies as if they were our true doctrine because they kept telling us what we believed and we never did much reaserch. So, you also believed what many did without any research. I had to fi a lotnof reasefch and more I found out this is truth mingled, exaggerated, and twisted with lies.
I went to steubenville this year, it was amazing.
Gracias Gracias
DESDE ESPAÑA UN SALUDO
FYI it’s Luke 14 NOT Luke 15 about building a building without calculating the cost 🥰
One verse over is no biggie
@@eileensianez6766not true.
That's literally BEARING FALSE WITNESS
@@OliveMulegive us a break...u never, ever, ever misquote/mis speak?
When Isaiah talk about other gods, he was referring to Israel gods. Jehovah was their God, but Israelites took other gods to worship. Just came out of Egypt and camping by mound Sanai, Israelite made a golden calf to worship. This is right after they witness so many miracles since they left Egypt. When God said, you cannot have other Gods, He was not referring that He has another neighboring God. He was telling Israel not to have a golden calf or Baal and other gods of their neighbors. Israel was told not to intermingle marry to their neighbors. Why?. Because their neighbors worship gods were made of stones and wood. That’s is the gods God was referring to in this context.
This week, April 2024, there was a Jewish Shabbat Live news that a book of Hold Plates was discovered in Saudi Arabia. Joseph Smith wasn't off, perhaps. Here is the link.
th-cam.com/video/DlzwDcsWw04/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xWfHjueVFwTKWWv7
The only truth I find within Mormonism is the fact that there is much more to the ancient history of the Americas then what modern archaeology explains. I often wish the main stream church would take more seriously alternative archaeology
Yes there is some evidence that Greeks used the upper midwest as a mine.
Thats exactly where i find common ground with my Mormon friends
That's the only truth you find? Wow.
Thank you Patrick for these helpful information about how to face the Mormon. I'll share this video with my sister. May God bless you.
I e never heard such story and I cld not finish listening. I thank you for explaining Mormon. I can’t believe anyone would believe such story. It’s painful. I love my Catholic faith.
quote-- I love my Catholic faith.-unquote
Why?
I posted this several months ago. NOT one catholic has replied! Why????
Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God.
I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer.
And I know you will NOT!!!
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSEDthe first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special??
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41
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@@mitchellosmer1293 I love my Catholic faith because it is rich with tradition that comes from Jesus. There are so many mysteries that can be understood slowly with the grace of God by praying, reading the Bible, asking Him for guidance and let it go. Then one day God responds quietly but very clearly. I never had doubt about being Catholic and I never asked questions until a Jehovah witness decided she wanted to teach me. What really got me upset is her telling me that Jesus is not God. I took it upon myself to read the Bible and point out clear messages that states that Jesus IS GOD. If HE is the Son of God he IS GOD. anyway I am Catholic and proud to be Catholic.
@@yvetteflynn9268 quote--- I love my Catholic faith because it is rich with tradition that comes from Jesus.--unquote
And you believe every word that they speak!!!! No matter that it CONTRADICTS the WORD of GOD!!!
---quote--- reading the Bible,--unquote
Which bible? the ones the CC Re-wrote or the one they used for over 400 years? (Latrin Vulgate, which my bible is translated from).
--questions which you CAN NOT answer:
Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God.
I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer.
And I know you will NOT!!!
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSEDthe first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special??
FACTS:
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41
FACTS:
About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath"
Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174.
"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910.
What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
FACTS:
Communion
How do you labor for the food that endures to eternal life? Believe in me! (John 6:27, 29) “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me [in faith] shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” (John 6:47)
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When the crowd took offense at his gruesome talk, Jesus exposed their unbelief: “The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe” (John 6:63-64).
@@yvetteflynn9268 FACTS:
Here are two quotes addressing this from their catechisms.
The Catechism of the Council of Trent, p 402 second revised edition says, "The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday!" And “Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is NO SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY” - Stephen Keenan A Doctrinal Catechism p 174
FACTS:
Jesus Christ didn't found the Catholic Church. it was the 325AD Council of Nicaea headed by Emperor Constantine 1 which was attended by bishops/popes of West and East Roman Empire May/Aug. 325AD
FACTS:
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Rom 7:12, KJV)
FACTS:
Jesus said, “If you love me, obey my commandments. Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.”
John 14:15, 21 NLT
--FACTS:
I can tell you why Catholicism is wrong. It leads people to believe that Jesus' sacrifice wasn't sufficient. It teaches works, it teaches that dead people can be prayed to. It teaches that Jesus' mother, Mary, can intercede for us. All blasphemy.
Here's what I know about Catholicism:There are no priests in the New Testament, there are no altars, there are no sacrifices, there are no scapulars, there are no mitre, there are no orders of monks, there are no nuns, there are no bishops in the sense of the Roman Catholic church, there is no monarchical episcopate, there are no popes, there is no apostolic succession, there are no candles, there is no Lent, there is no holy water, there are no sacraments, there is no extreme unction, there is no purgatory, there is no penance, there are no sacraments, there is no veneration of objects, images or relics, there is no praying to dead people, there is no veneration of Mary, there is no immaculate conception, there is no assumption of Mary, there is no Holy Mary, Mother of God.
@@yvetteflynn9268 quote---anyway I am Catholic and proud to be Catholic unquote
Proud to be a follower of satan??
>>.What the Holy Bible says about the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope
The Anti-christ sits in the temple of God proclaiming to be God….fulfilling 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.
---“..the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, (not a physical temple, but Christ’s Church. Eph. 2:19-22) showing himself that he is God.”
---Pope Innocent III said “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Greogory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.)
---Saint Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4,
----In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (Our Lord God the Pope) can be found in column 153. In a Paris edition, they are found in column 140. has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.)
----"Innocent III has written: "Indeed, it is not top much to say that in view of the sublimity of their offices the priests are so many gods." -The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori p, 36
Well... look at this...
"we suppose that the Antichrist, the head of all these men, is the Pope of Rome" -John Wycliffe(former Catholic Priest/Reformer/Protestant), Foxes Book of Martyrs, p.90
"The Pope is... the true Antichrist, of whom it is written, that he sitteth in the temple of God,among the people where Christ is worshipped... " -John Huss(former Catholic Priest/Reformer/Protestant)(1372-1415)
"The vicar is in the place of an a sent chief,-what is such a vicar but Antichrist. I know and am certain that the papacy(Catholic religion system) is the kingdom of Babylon" -Martin Luther(former Catholic priest/Reformer/Protestant), ("Works" vol.ii., p.385)
"Yea, we doubt not to prove the kingdom of the Pope to be the kingdom and power of Antichrist" -John Knox(Former Catholic priest/Reformer/Protestant), The Works of John Knox
,,Now, for the WORD of GOD:
Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband, the Lord of hosts is his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the God of the whole earth he is called.
----Gen 14:19 And he blessed him and said,
“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Possessor of heaven and earth;
20 and blessed be God Most High,
who has delivered your enemies into your hand!”
POSSESSOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH!!!! Not a mere man (Pope).
These verses refutes the claim that the Pope is "God on earth".
-----FACTS:
What has the papacy changed? Don’t you know the papacy changed the days of worship and openly admit to doing so. Here are some references
REFERENCE
Peter Geiermann, The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (st.Louis: B. Herder Book Co.,1957edition) page 50.
--Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D.336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
336ad
Constantine leader Roman Empire , the kingdom had many barbaric tribes who worshipped pagan gods including
--Mythra Sun god, in an act to unite the kingdom Constantine added some pagan beliefs to Catholicism. Hence Sunday worship also distances them from Jews
REFERENCE
--Stephen Keenan, a Doctrinal Catechism (New York:P.J. Kenedy & sons, third American edition,revised,n.d.),p.174
REFERENCE
The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89.
Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, inc.,pages 72-73.
REFERENCE
Catholic Record, September 1, 1923
REFERENCE
Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore,in a letter replying for the Cardinal. February 10, 1920
---------FACTS:
Mary the mother of Jesus was a godly and blessed woman, but she was not without sin. Jesus was the only human without sin. Jesus “had no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). “In him is no sin” (1 John 3:5). Nothing of the sort is ever said of Mary or anyone else. Jesus Christ is fully human, but He is also fully God (John 1:1). He is the Lamb of God, “without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:19), a title and description no other person can claim.
FACTS:
Acts 5:29 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (Rome)
Sunday is our mark of authority. The Church is above the Bible and this transference of the Sabbath is proof of that fact.
Catholic Record of London Sept.1, 1923
Why would people need salvation before salvation was needed?
On average the catholic faith with supposedly over 1 billion members gave over 800 million in Charitable giving. That is awesome! What did the mormon faith give from their 17 million members?
Great bravo Madrid
I’ve been listening to a lot of Catholic videos lately and what I’ve noticed is that of all the videos that I’ve listened to reveals to me that every denominations of Christianity are intertwined with each other,what I’m saying is they all seem to teach the same thing though there might be some differences.And when I reflect on what the apocalypse says about the 2000.000.000 rising up against the Catholic Church seems to pointing at all of these denominations,that’s just my thoughts I’m not saying that this is the true interpretation of the apocalypse but it’s very noticeable
D winds blow strongest against those who stand tallest
Ok, mormonism is not a christian faith.
I don't know why other Mormons say this stuff isnt true when confronted with it. I grew up Mormon and this was in my children's Mormon book. That being said, they never talked about the racist stuff in church or the primary (children's sunday school), even though in practice we were separated by race and language. One of the many reasons I've converted to Catholicism.
About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath"
Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174.
"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910.
What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
Is that the dumbest / least important reason you could think of?
@@mitchellosmer1293did Jesus leave a Church or the Bible u use today?
Btw: was ur faith tradition there at the compilation of the Bible?
@@essafats5728 quote---did Jesus leave a Church or the Bible u use today? unquote
a Christian church!!! Folowers of the teachings of Christ!!!
The OT was written OVER 90 years before Christ!!! The NT was written 300 years before Catholics. NO Catholic wrote any part of the NT!! All the Catholic church did was collect, translate to latin and bind into a book!!!
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@@mitchellosmer1293 so how do u know the books that the Catholics assembled were the right ones? Did they use all the books that existed at that time into the Bible?
Again, where was ur faith tradition at the compilation of the Bible?
And u think u know better how to interpret the bible than those compilers? U all by yourself, 2000yrs later, with ur limited human creature ability, weak and sinful as heck. Such sanctimonious self-righteousness.
Oh wait, do forgive me...R u the 2nd coming of the Messiah?
It is the phenomenon of religion, not the context of a unique religion, that explains why this is happening.
I find it curious that this speaker fills in so many blanks with his own ideas- not with Mormon doctrine. We also don’t know much. He makes conclusions that Mormons don’t. The first step down the road of apostasy, I say.
One mistake: the decree that said that black men could hold the priesthood was in 1978 NOT 1968. Otherwise, Madrid got everything correct.
Thank you for this very informative video. I must admit that it disturbs me greatly that a man could go through many years of seminary training, make Mass and holy Eucharist the center of his vocation, only to be duped by the outrageous claims of Mormonism. How could he have ever embraced the idea that Lucifer and Jesus were spirit brothers? I’m gobsmacked. Praise God that he came back, of course. But it’s still very disturbing.
Not just Catholics. Protestants too. Also Mark Twain best described the Book of Mormon: chloroform in print.
Great video. Very informative.
+Tim Spangler You are an imposter.
I know you are, but what am I?
It is informative!!!! I heard about you Tim!
The Bible that the Mormons use has many instances of "Joseph Smith Translation" of scriptures. So Joseph Smith went through and changed things he didn't like.
Our God and Lord Jesus Christ did not ever say that his whole church would fall into apostasy,but rather that there would be a falling away which means only those in his church who would succumb to that not his whole church that he started upon Peter which is the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church
Bravo, Pat. Bravo. :-)
I am Catholic, I feel closer to God because of my Cathplic Faith. Glory to God in the highest.
I posted this several months ago. NOT one catholic has replied! Why????
Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God.
I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer.
And I know you will NOT!!!
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSEDthe first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special??
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41
@@mitchellosmer1293 you've answered your own questions so why should we bother, Captain ALL-CAPS?
@@nancetardiff339 quote--- you've answered your own questions so why should we bother,-- unquote
I wasn't asking myself for the ansers!!! I was aking you!!! But, obviously you are not willing to answer!!! As I expected.
@@mitchellosmer1293is Jesus the new covenant and greater than Moses?
Btw: was ur faith tradition there at the compilation of the Bible?
Good video. I don't know any Mormons, but this was helpful in obtaining a general understanding of what they believe. Like Protestants, they believe that Jesus was lying when he gave Peter the keys to the church he established in the gospel of Matthew, and stated that the gates of hell would not prevail against this church. There's a direct line of succession between Peter, the first pope who was given the keys, and all of the other popes throughout history. No other Christian denomination can make that claim. Virtually all Christians were Catholic for the first 1000+ of history until the first major schism with the regional eastern orthodox churches, which also remained largely Catholic in all of their beliefs with the primary exception being recognizing the pope as the vicar of Christ. Sola scriptura is a myth as the books of the New Testament weren't even written until well after the death of Jesus, and virtually no lay Christians owned a personal bible until after the printing press was invented during the mid 15th century. The King James bible that Protestants use is merely an English translation of the Catholic bible, and includes the books that the Catholic church deemed to be divinely inspired and infallible.
Question: are there artifacts of the millions of people who died who Moses led into the wilderness out of Egypt? If not, did it happen? See how that works, Catholic apologists? When it’s the Bible you call it faith; when it’s the Book of Mormon, you call it fallacy!
@mdcarson- I agree. I saw a show on the History Channel on TV where they had professional teams searching for Biblical artifacts like Noah's Ark. Always came up empty-handed. They spent days dredging the Red Sea and found absolute nothing to suggest that thousands of Israelites crossed or that Pharaoh's soldiers were drowned in pursuit. The commentators concluded that the Biblical account of Moses in Exodus was a myth and never happened.
What about those who lived and died in places and times when the Gospel of Christ was not available to them? Did Jesus Christ “leave them orphans”? Just trying to follow Brother Patrick’s reasoning.
Right on. I’m the first Christian in my family. What happens to my parents and 600 grandparents who never heard the words Jesus Christ? Why would they be condemn to hell? If they are, then going to heaven is like winning the lotto ticket.
The Catholics never claimed that salvation is exclusive to Catholics. We were taught that there were righteous people who haven’t heard of the teachings of Christ about Salvation and Life After Death and that they will be saved because we have a merciful God.
@@Tahimate
- Luke 12:48: "But the one who did not know and did what deserved a beating will receive a light beating. From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded."
- Romans 2:12-16 "All who have sinned apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all."
At the end, only God knows, but to summarise, if someone, by no fault of his own, never knew Christ, then he will be judged differently than someone who did, but refused to follow Him.
One of my brothers is a bishop in the Mormon church witch means so are my nieces and nephews. They are actively recruiting away Catholics. I asked my brother if this was true. It’s easy to comb Catholics. They are so dumb.
Not all! I'm not dumb! The ones that are.....are in every religion 42:13
@@eileensianez6766 quote---The ones that are.....are in every religion--unquote
At least I research what day is the Sabbath!! Seventh day!!
Tell your brother "bishop " to look in the mirror. He is the dumb one who joined a racist cult.
@@mitchellosmer1293is Jesus the new covenant? Are u ethically a Jew?
@@essafats5728 quote---is Jesus the new covenant? Are u ethically a Jew? unquoet
Since obviously you have NO IDEA of what the New covenent is:
>>>-THE DNA OF THE NEW COVENANT
If only God Himself had given a clear, straightforward definition of the new covenant. Oh, but wait, He did! , God Himself defines the new covenant! No equivocation, no ambiguity, no obscurity; just a straightforward definition that most anyone could understand.
But before we get to the definition proper, here is a brief backstory.
God first announced and defined the new covenant in the Old
Testament through Jeremiah (Jer. 31:33, 34). Hebrews in the New Testament picked it up straight from Jeremiah. In the longest New Testament quotation of an Old Testament passage, Hebrews 8:7-12 quotes Jeremiah 31:31-34, essentially verbatim. God defines the “new
covenant” (Heb. 8:8) as four promises He makes to His people. Promise 1: He promises that He will write His laws in their hearts (Heb 8:10), to sanctify them, to make them holy, aligning their hearts and characters with His. When God gave Israel His law at Sinai, the people immediately responded, “All the words which the LORD has said we will do, . . . and be obedient” (Exod. 24:3, 7, NKJV), as in, “We’re good, God; we got this.” But they weren’t good, not that good; and they hadn’t “got this” (recall the golden-calf incident at this point!).
He wants them to know that He didn’t give them His law to challenge them to try and keep it. “He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust” (Ps. 103:14, NKJV). He gave it to them as a promise of the kind of people He would make of them if they would rely on Him and trust Him. “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you . . . and cause you to walk in My statutes” (Ezek. 36:26, 27, NKJV).
Promise 2: He promises to be their God and make them His people (Heb. 8:10) to reconcile them to Himself. Isaiah warned, “Your iniquities have separated you from your God” (59:2, NKJV), the most vulnerable condition possible for people living in a hostile environment such as our world. God says, “I want to be your shield and refuge. Rely on Me, trust Me; let Me do my thing on your behalf.” God would reconcile us through Christ’s death on the cross (2 Cor. 5:17-21).
Promise 3: God promises to reveal Himself to the whole world, and He promises that the day is coming when that will not be necessary anymore, because everyone will know Him, from the least to the greatest (Heb. 8:11)-the harmony of Eden will be restored. Until that day of final consummation, He invites those who already know Him to team up with Him and other believers in His mission to make Himself known within their own circles of influence (Matt. 28:19, 20).
--Promise 4: God promises to forgive our sins and remember them no more (Heb. 8:12), in order to justify us so that we stand before God as though we had never sinned. At some point in human history, the Covenant Maker Himself came from heaven to earth to shed His “blood of the everlasting covenant” to make this possible and to make it hard to resist.
These four promises shout out that God has made sure anyone who really wants to be in His eternal kingdom can be, because He has committed Himself and all of His resources to make it happen! God Himself defines the new covenant by these four promises; they are the
DNA of the new covenant. In short, the new covenant is the gospel! Why don’t more Christians already know this? God couldn’t have made it plainer. Could it be that some sinister force is at work to dull people’s minds and veil their hearts to the gospel lest people hear it,
understand it, believe it, walk in it, and receive the full inheritance prepared for them from the creation of the world?
RESPONDING: THE EXPERIENTIAL DIMENSION OF THE COVENANTS
In the preface to God’s definition of the new covenant, He says: “If that first covenant had been faultless” (Heb. 8:7, NKJV), there would have need no need for a new covenant. So what was so “faulty” (“wrong” NIV) with the first covenant that required a new one?
Surprisingly, God does not list things here like a weak human priesthood or animal sacrifices that could not accomplish forgiveness, and so forth, or anything at all that directly pertains to the covenant itself which He made with His people. Rather, He explicitly explains where the fault lies: “Finding fault with them . . . I will make a new covenant . . . -because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD” (vv. 8, 9, NKJV, emphasis supplied).
Here, in straightforward, unambiguous language, God instructs us that when He thinks of covenant, and when Scripture speaks about covenant, He includes how people respond to the promises and appeals
He made through the covenants as well. Furthermore, He refers to the three types of covenants covered from last week: the archetypal everlasting covenant and its origin in the nature of the Trinity; its adaptation in the covenant of grace designed to redeem humanity from the pandemic of sin; and to the historical covenants’ progressive unveiling of the full gospel throughout history.
There are historical old and new covenants and there are experiential old and new covenants. Just as surely as there are a series of historical old covenants (with Adam, Abraham, Israel, and so on) and a historical new covenant (initiated when Jesus came in history), so too are there experiential old and new covenants depending on how people respond to the gospel promises and appeals God made and makes through His historical covenants. The secret to decoding the covenant(s)
includes understanding the gospel promises as they are revealed in the historical covenants and the responses of the people to those promises.
An experiential old covenant may be defined as responding to the gospel by rejecting it outright or by accepting it outwardly only, complying with it legalistically to gain heaven and escape hell. It represents an unconverted life. An experiential new covenant is defined as responding to the gospel internally, from the heart, by faith in, and reliance on, the promises of God, resulting in an obedience that issues
naturally through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, who writes God’s law on one’s heart.
Paul describes his life before conversion as a life of “confidence in the flesh” (Phil. 3:3), religious to the hilt, obedient to the law from childhood up, confident that concerning a “righteousness, which is in the law [he was] blameless” (v. 6, NKJV; “faultless” in NIV). Though he was living in the new covenant historical era, he had an old covenant experience. After his conversion to Jesus, he considered his previous obedience “as rubbish” (NKJV) and accepted a new “righteousness . . .
through faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith” (vv. 8, 9, NIV)-a new covenant experience.
To think of the old and new covenants as experiences in other than exclusively historical terms will be a new skill for many of us. But God Himself pointed us in this direction when He said He would not have needed a new covenant had He not found fault with the people because they failed to “continue in My covenant” (Heb. 8:9, NKJV). Their response to His covenant had resulted in an old covenant experience without hope. He responded with a new covenant, appealing for a new
covenant response and a new covenant experience in which they would fully, faithfully, obediently embrace the inheritance He had prepared for them from the beginning of the world.
WHERE is there just one mention of the Sabbath being abolished?
>>>>Galatians 3:27-28 KJV
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
It's impossible for me to accept that God would allow humanity to exist for 1500 years without a true church
Lehi had two sons? This guy is the expert? All due resoect but if you start with Godmakers and give incorrect basic information about the Scriptures theres not much expertise and, dare i say, a fair amount of false witness.
Agreed. He builds up his Pathos and Ethos really well and then never touches Logos. He misrepresents nearly everything. I doubt he’s studied as earnestly as he would like us to believe.
Thank you Patrick Madrid. I recently left the Catholic church for the Mormon church, simply because they have have a greater sense of community. And that's something I don't find in the Catholic church. Needless to say I've been baptized Mormon and recieved the aaronic priesthood, but here's where things get awfully fishy. They don't talk about everything before they continually try to get you progressed in the church. The fact that Jesus was a mortal man, the fact that there is a plurality of Gods, the fact that there's no evidence of a nephite community, so on and so forth. At the time I would've found this irrelevant because I really wanted a stronger sense of community. They're really trying for me to get endowed and married in the church but something inside me tells me that they're just pushing an agenda on people. And if you really look at it, the idea of Joseph Smith being a prophet, and that there's a quorum of 12 apostles is awfully ridiculous. Needless to say, my intentions were never substantial, but there is great compelling evidence the the LDS church is a cult with strange beliefs and or doctrines. I'm happy to say that I will talk to my missionaries about this and formally resign. The thing is they are very emotionally invested in this so I find it kind of difficult to unaffiliate from them.
Why would you leave Catholicism for community? Is God a community? And isn't God more important than community?
@@johhh210 I obviously don't know what I'm talking about and for that I do sincerely apologize. Take my apologies worth giving. I am not answering your question but thank you for making me see how ridiculous of a statement I made. I am schizophrenic but that's okay. All I'm saying is that my behavior is a reflection of my commentary. I don't mean to say weird things. I'm normal as I should be acceptable. But to answer your question the lds "church" is beautiful. You almost can't deny it untill you see for yourself. Like I said, irrelevant, but thank you. Um, I don't know about catholicism but if you want to teach me something go ahead. I'm all open to talk.
@@Hypexotic🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH 🇻🇦
COME BACK TO JESUS'S CHURCH
@@Hypexoticjust remember to take ur meds B4 u start in on an open dialogue
@@essafats5728 That is none of your business. If you want to speak about my return to catholicism go ahead.
i'm a mormon who listens to relevant radio all day most days of the week.i find the catholic church to be a beautiful religion with some precious truths. i would be a catholic if i didnt feel the holy spirit so much stronger in my faith. thank you patrick i appreciate your knowledge i even have read a few of your books.God bless.
Come to the Catholic church!
If you are in Utah come to St. John the Baptist parish and attend RCIA with me! No obligation to join, just come to learn 😀
@@michaelharrington6698 thank you for caring enough to respond. i will definately consider your offer.
I searched for God for a very long time. There were Mormons in my family history, but I was raised in the Baptist sect. However, I knew that most of what I was taught in Sunday school had no basis in history. I had to disconnect from the emotionalism that pulled me in a lot of directions. After thousands of hours of reading and listening to debate after debate, I knew that I had two choices - Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy. Nothing in the volumes of Church history supports the Mormon version of events. Just like there were no dogmatic Baptists or Pentecostals in the first 16 centuries of Christianity, there were no Mormons. If you can find one, I'd love to hear about it. I'm not telling you to follow me. I'm just telling you to ask yourself if any of this stuff makes logical sense.
I hope one day you learn that the Holy Spirit is very real, powerful, comforting, and constrains the Church to God's will. But it does not provide personal revelation through feelings, as the Mormon church teaches. That idea is not found in Christianity. It's an idea the Mormons came up with to deal with the problem that there is no evidence for their false religion. It's called fideism, and it's false. Come to Christianity, where we have history, archeology, prophecy, and evidence on our side. God bless.
Most of these "informative" lectures sound the same. What they leave out is how this false church with crazy beliefs is ruining circles around every other religion today and getting far far better results at both the micro and macro levels. Christ is supposed to be preparing His people and church for His return but the Catholic churchs power and influence are waning into virtual irrelevance. This video does little to explain why that is happenng.
As mere human creatures, we are trying our best. We are not God, but Jesus did leave a Church not the Bible u use today.
Btw: was ur faith tradition there at the compilation of the Bible?
I’ve been to the missionary training center in Utah and to the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego. As someone who experienced both let me tell you they are nothing alike. They shouldn’t be mentioned in the same talk let alone be compared to one and other.
God Bless Mr Madrid, hes a great apologist and speaker and I've learned so much from his debates and talks.
I am amazed that Churches spend so much time tearing down the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As a member I have never attended a talk or podcast in the Church talking of other faiths. My Dad in Salmon, Idaho attended a meeting of Catholics, Protestants, and Baptists who were there to listen to some apostate member tear down our faith. Dad went with a friend who walked out early but my Dad endured it to the end, and then kindly walked up and shared his testimony of the Church and then left. He died in 2011 and about a year later appeared to an inactive grandson at a church banquet and told him he was happy to see him at church.
I love everything about the LDS Church!!! I love the fourteen year old boy who went out and prayed to know which Church to join, not expecting the Father and Son, Jesus Christ to appear. Jesus told him not to join any of them and that he had a work for him to do. He didn’t know he was going to fulfill Acts 3:18-21. Of course his family embraced him while most people harassed him. But he couldn’t and never did deny this vision. The Lord didn’t choose a preacher or educated grown up but a small boy who like our Savior grew from grace to grace. He didn’t go out and organize the Church until the Lord’s preparation was completed including translation of the Book of Mormon, John the Baptist restoring Aaronic Priesthood and Peter James and John the Melkezedic Priesthood. Only then was the Church restored. I love the knowledge I have of my Heavenly Father and His son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. Three separate members of the godhead. Not a god defined in the Niacine Creed ascribed by other faiths; A god without body, parts, or passions. As I read the scriptures I believe Jesus when he says he only does the things he’s seen his Father do. I believe the Father came at Christ’s baptism and said ‘this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased’. I believe at the tomb Jesus tells Mary, I go to my God and your God, and to my Father and your Father. Yes and I believe we are in the very image of the Father and our Savior. When He appeared to the apostles He said handle me and see a spirit hath not flesh and bones. Did Jesus die a second death? I think not. Then my favorite scripture in the Bible is John 17 where Christ prays that He may become one with the Father and share in His glory. Then he prays for the apostles and then for each of us who believe on their words, that we may also become one with the Father and the Son. I know I can become one with them as I have felt their love and presence in my life as I’ve exercised faith in Them. The restoration fulfilled other prophecies as well. In Isaiah 29 the prophecy of a book coming from the dust, fulfilled. In Ezekiel 37: 16-20 talks of the stick of Judah being put together with the stick of Joseph and they shall be one in thine hand; the Bible and the Book of Mormon. How about Malachi 4:5,6 where he prophesied of the coming of Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. Where is he? The Jews still set a plate waiting for his coming. He came with the Savior in the Kirkland Temple in 1836. He returned the sealing powers of the priesthood. Moses restored the keys to the gathering of Israel. Without the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ the second coming will not happen if you believe the Bible’s teachings. Yes, this is the fastest growing Christian Church, but we love our brothers of all faiths and work with them where we can , including Catholic Charities. All those who have left the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have their personal story. But as for me and the millions who have remained faithful, we love the gospel and I would never leave it. The covenants I’ve received in the temple including my eternal marriage to my lovely wife and being sealed to my posterity I would never forsake! Christ appeared to His other sheep. He has come in this the last dispensation and is the head of His Church. We receive His guidance through scriptures and modern prophets and apostles who receive guidance thru revelation of the Lord. I know the Church is true and I love my Savior and my Father in Heaven and feel at one with them as I have come to know them.
Luke 20 disproves marriage in the afterlife. How do Mormons reconcile that?
Two churches will stand at the last days. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church may collapse by that time
What I see in mormonism is is a good healthy way to live your life. Many catholics could get some tips from the mormon healthy living lifestyle.
Copied a blurb
Mormons follow a strict healthy lifestyle that doesn't allow them to consume alcohol, tobacco, coffee or tea. Family life, good deeds, respect for authority and missionary work are important values in Mormonism."
Saying all that I consider myself a great admirer of Roman Catholicism and am very disappointed in myself that I dropped out of catechism less than a month before completing it.
You need to return to class N O W
🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH 🇻🇦
Mormonism is God's message to all of His children in these last days.
It debunks false teachings such as celibacy,infant baptism,sale of indulgencies and idol worship to name just few.
I was born a catholic but joined The Church of Jesus Christ o Latter Day Saints in 1987 served mission in 1990 1992 sharing the restored gospel and truthfulness of The Book of Mormon. And found out that we can go directly to Heavenly Father and ask Him about His Great Plan of Happiness in that Jesus Christ is the central figure in it no one else not Joseph Smith nor Mormon nor Patrick Madrid
The issues of blatant racism in the LDS churches scripture are more than enough for me to realize the lies and errors of Joseph Smith without having to taking into account his bungling an Egyptian burial papyrus(Book of Abraham).
The early Mormon church just looks like another WASP religion with a hint of American manifest destiny.
I certainly hope that anyone watching this recognizes the desperation and fear Patrick feels with regard to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is such a threat that he must detour from preaching Catholicism to attacking The Church of Jesus Christ. If Catholicism was what it claims to be, there would be no need to attack other faiths.
I have never seen this type of display in The Church of Jesus Christ. Only the Gospel of Jesus Christ is taught. We fear no other creed. We merely invite others to come and understand what we have seen.
Defending the faith , faith is so subjective. Love is confused with god's rightousness. Under the old covenant sin was only covered by animal blood. The new is much more effective, regards sin and no forgiveness in blasphemous rejection of the true message.
can you imagine if a Mormon attacked Catholic doctrine and history?
Brother Pat your question to former father was effective because he was a former priest. Hope you could give us a fair amount of impact questions to ask their members. Thank you for your ministry. God bless you brother.
Wow - and we think the Trinity is complicated. God bless all!
Mormonism conveniently claim that the pre-mortal existence is wiped from our memories...
quote--Mormonism conveniently claim that the pre-mortal existence is wiped from our memories...-unquote
Revelation 21:4
There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” NLV. God will take away all their tears. There will be no more death or sorrow or crying ...
----Ecclesiastes 1:11 King James Version (KJV)
There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
@byonnoyb - It's not convenience. John talk about the pre-mortal existence in Revelation. You can also read about the pre-earth existence in Psalm, Galatians, and Ephesians.
@37:53
Is a truth
Says he’s not going to go into detail about Mormonism….proceeds to go into great detail lol.
Wide is the road…
Isaiah: “I am the only God…”
Catholics: totally agree, Except for God the Son and God the Holy Ghost…
Nothing was built on PETER. EVERY THING WAS BUILT UPON JESUS
Read the bible
I wish you got your facts better. Not quite right. Your errors appear malicious Although may not be.
Do u know what an ipse dixit opinion is?
Also mormon guys at work claim they get classes from ex priests to explain the evils of the Catholic Church. I argue he is wrong on Catholics. But naturally he gets hostile because he has the word of an ex priest who knows Better than I. Yes my Mormon brother who is a bishop still likes me but his wife is another story.
About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath"
Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174.
"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910.
What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
>>>>Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath
Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day......(.Saturday)
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (Sunday)
Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath).
Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,(After sunset Saturday)
Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Sunday)
Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, (friday) and the Sabbath was about to begin
Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.( Just before sunset Friday)
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, ....
(Sunday)
John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day (Friday), in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one,
John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation (Friday), since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early,
(Sunday)
This isn't true. We don't bash other religions. We focus on Christ.
@@mitchellosmer1293did Jesus leave a Church or the Bible u use today?
Btw: was ur faith tradition there at the compilation of the Bible?
Catholic/Alcoholic curious distinction.
The Present with religion or without.
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Original unforgivable sin🤣🥰
I love the Mormon Joan of Arc.
What every catholic should know is to talk to a Mormon and not a Catholic.
Oh my, you are no expert on the LDS Church..
As for the "those who didn't take sides" stuff is nonsense. That is NOT a teaching of our church.
Do CATHOLIC study the book of Mormon?
No
Probably, not for factual teachings; just for fairy tales entertainment
I live in area of Texas that has a growing Mormon population so it is fun to learn about their beliefs even though I do find much truth in what they are selling.
Worship the one true God not his creation. Find truth... read the Quran.
Mohammed the rapist who says it's ok to rape & marry pre-pubescent girls.
Watch Sam shamoun videos - he decimates Islamic teachings.
People who read the Quran end up like the 15 year old kid who just stabbed Bishop Mari Mari. I'll stick with the Bible and the Church Christ established.
Maybe Tim should listen to this....i cant understand how anyone can live udr the mormon laws.
We are actually promised to become god's and and goddesses.
So yes, women get godhood too
But notice the lowercase g.
We become JOINT heirs WITH Christ. Hense goodhood. That does hot however mean we will be worshipped. Only the one true God is worshipped.
The one true God of our planet only? Or what
@johhh210 kind of. From what I'm understanding, it's our galaxy. But I think that is something I will end up learning more about in the next life, aka the resurrection. We do not believe in reincarnation.
@@akpred Yeah I've heard of gods and goddesses, but why won't you be worshiped since gods are supposed to be worshiped? What's the point of becoming gods then, what does it even mean?
I'm a Catholic myself and I've always found Mormonism to be so interesting to study. No offense please, however I find very little logic in Mormonism. Nonetheless it's very interesting
@johhh210 no offense taken I think the same thing about some of the things taught in catholicism, though i have thought if I decided I didn't believe in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints any longer I would convert to catholicism. We are remarkably similar in so many ways.
To answer your question the:
We believe we will be a superhuman being having power granted us by God
On earth, we call it the priesthood power. In the resurrected life, we will have more ability to use those powers. We may use them to create worlds of our own or help God create more worlds. We have not been given a revelation on that yet, so it is currently one of our unknowns.
@@akpred🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH 🇻🇦
I rebuke you and your Marvel comic like stories
What is most important is how people live out their faith lives...whether Catholic or Mormon, how are they living out their faith and serving the lord? Yes, that truth matters, and most Mormons I know live out their faith honestly, truthfully, and with care and kindness for the whole church family and human race. Can't say anything bad about the LDS church or faith at all, only goodness.
But if their faith is wrong, then that's a whole different story.
It’s your duty to save your friends from the false teachings of Mormonism
It’s about living in the light of truth with love, which will spring care, kindness etc.; rather than just about living a caring and kind life, which every faithless person can do.
Also the constant poaching people into their pseudo- or half-truth faith isn’t an act of love either.
Yes, but their eternal salvation is at the heart of the issue. Truth about this should never be compromised.
You "can't say anything bad" about the fact that they disregard and disobey all the Commandments regarding worship and honor of God?
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LOL, I actually WAS seven in 1989. 😂😂😂
Well, Jesus is going to return to Israel on the mount of olives, so I like to listen to the Jews that accepted Jesus in Israel , so a great band on u-tube is Jewish Messianic Alliance Israel. Also on u-tube - One for Israel.
Im a member of the church of the lds church. For 62 years. The plural marriage is not required in the afterlife. Becoming like god is equally shared in a marriage. One is not without the other as equals. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.