GREEN BERET Reacts to Bravo Two Zero | Beers and Breakdowns
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- What is up everyone?! Welcome to another episode of Beers and Breakdowns, where a Green Beret drinks and talks too much! In this video we react to BRAVO TWO ZERO.
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Yall are doing amazing things my brothers! Keep up the great work and can't wait for the next video! Another wine and rations episode or season would be sick!
You guys need to do 6 days is about the sas going into the Iranian embassy. th-cam.com/video/0KYroBErj1g/w-d-xo.html
Btw... What are your thoughts about Swedish conscripts carrying 104kgs of backpack on a 30h march through rough terrain and then conducting live fire drills?
If Swedish conscripts to become Jaegers can handle that, I think SAS can too 😜
This is Andy McNab’s story on this mission. Chris Ryan was on the team and was able to avoid capture by walking to Syria. His book, The One That Got Away is his version and there is the book Eye Of The Storm by Peter Ratcliffe that touches on the Bravo two Zero mission and his opinion on what happened
Don't forget the book "Soldier Five".
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary There's also, "The Real Bravo Two Zero" by Michael Asher
@@SubtlyAggressive Yep, though most of the surviving SAS Operators were pretty miffed at Asher for that, still a good read that helps with some elements of context.
Yep. I just wrote that out before I saw your post lol
Chris Ryans book was also made in to a Movie. He himself claimed afterwards that he was tricked by the producers, as they made false promisses to him to have some influence on how the movie would be.
The one that got away (1h 43min)
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Chris Ryan has a camo, playing the guy taking the foto of patrol before the set off with the helicopter
The British army of the 70's 80's 90's was so underfunded regardless of SF or regulars. The amount of kit I purchased because we either didn't have it, didn't have enough or the equipment was inferior, you would not believe. Although the movie is very Hollywood, the underlying issues are very true. Fact; we went to the desert in late 70's and used maps made by a Swiss expedition in the 19th Century. Typical Brits of that era were well trained, well motivated and terribly equipped.
@snipe69 they used M16s, the SAS absolutely hates the SA80 platform, but used british machine guns
@snipe69 The M16 was in common usage in the SAS and infantry alongside the usual British weapon systems. The SF guys were lucky to have access to other weapon platforms although the regulars had to adopt the SA80 when it was introduced
@snipe69 They used the C7 and then moved to the C8
Still are tbh not to mention the after care veterans forced too use NHS or charities as so proud people makes it even harder
@snipe69 believe it up to individual depends big style what actually mission long range CQB or just hell for leather missions
I love how you said you would NOT get on the back of a Harley
But you WOULD hold a bag for a man to shit in.
LEGEND Buck, too funny
Hey man, we all got standards. They might be arbitrary and ultimately pointless, but they exist nonetheless lol
@@ethicalcheeze1407 We all have our principles, standards, ethics and morals that govern our decisions you are correct. I just love watching these guys shoot the shit it cracks me up.
Lmao
ROTFL so true!
“You’re gonna get shorter?”
“Fuck you dude! It comes back.”
Fucking comedy gold. Cheers lads, great video as always 👌
Much appreciated!
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@@FNGACADEMY is the ruck trainer doing to be a weight vest ?
@@FNGACADEMY is the ruck trainer going to be weight vest?
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His name is Sean Bean, and he's done a hell of a lot more than that little bit part in that HBO tv show. Look up the Sharpe series if you want some lovable cheese.
From the Bravo 2 0 book, they were carrying 2 jerry cans of water each, plus other equipment. They would move 1 set forward 100 meters, then go back and get another set of hand carried gear and move that forward 200 meters (100 meters past the previous gear), then go back and get it and move it forward 200 meters. Basically, 2 sets of hand carried gear each, leap frogging it forward 100 meters past the previously dropped off gear, all while wearing their rucks. 2x5 gallon jerry cans would be 80+ pounds by themselves.
I remember that it’s been over 20 years since reading these books but do remember the Jerry cans and leap frogging now you bring it up.
That’s brutal
Interestingly there was an American SF team that got into a very similar situation with a very different outcome. The big issue for Bravo two zero is that their comms failed. When an American team was spotted in Iraq during the gulf war they had working comms. So when they started getting enemy contact they called for air support and extract. The planes dropped ordnance on their attackers and the American team made it out without casualties.
Agreed. I’ve read that very same account. Typical MOD giving our lads shit equipment
I remember that situation as well. Goat herders and kids always seem to find special ops guys before the actual enemy does ( American spec ops situation, this situation, operation “”red wings”.
Yes and it was very danger close CAS. The pilot had to actually reaffirm the order since he was dropping cluster and was afraid that some of it will hit the trench where the friendlies were. After the drop he actually did a couple fly overs to see if the guys were ok.
@@thesmanbrowne4561 "Stores are for storing, not for issuing".
@@hectormartinez9657 according to the man that rescued Luttrell. The villagers knew there was a Western unit up in the mountains because the infil chopper was heard hovering too close to the village.
Each member of the patrol wore a two-shade Desert DPM uniform with a World War II era sand-coloured desert smock. While the other members had regular issue army boots, Ryan (the only member to avoid eventual capture) wore a pair of £100 "brown Raichle Gore-Tex-lined walking boots."
Each member carried a belt kit, Bergen rucksack, one sandbag of food, one sandbag containing two NBC suits, extra ammunition bandoliers and a 5-imperial-gallon (6.0 U.S. gal; 23 L) jerry can of water. "The belt kit contained ammunition, water, food and trauma-care equipment." The rucksack contained 25 kilograms (3.9 st; 55 lb) of sandbags and observation post equipment, seven days worth of rations, spare batteries for the radio, demolition equipment (including PE4 plastic explosive, detonators, and both Claymore and Elsie anti-personnel mines), and intravenous drips and fluids for emergencies.
The patrol also had a PRC 319 HF patrol radio carried by Lane, four TACBE communication devices (carried by McNab, Ryan, and two others) to communicate with allied aircraft, a Magellan GPS carried by Coburn, and a KITE night sight carried by MacGown. The total weight of each member's kit was estimated at 95 kg (15.0 st; 209 lb) by McNab and 120 kg (19 st; 260 lb) by Ryan.
McNab Phillips, Ryan, and Lane carried M16/M203 assault rifles, while Pring, Consiglio, MacGown and Coburn carried FN Minimi light support machine guns. Each member carried a 66 mm LAW rocket on his back. Due to a missing shipment within the squadron, Phillips was the only member who carried a backup weapon, a Browning Hi-Power pistol.
Bullshit
Bruh😮
Wrt the weight of the packs, (i'm going mostly from memory of reading this ~20 years ago, so apologies if there's inaccuracies here) they were originally supposed to land in country on ATVs deployed out the back of a Chinook, then decided again it, I think for stealth reasons. Then, the plan with the packs was to find a suitable place to dig a camouflaged hole, and store/stage the mission sensitive equipment there. They would then recon the targets with lighter packs, and return to get what they needed (or radio to team members who'd remained at the site), and bring up the explosives, LAWs, NBC suits, and heavy machine guns to the mission site.
they only had to carry it for 2km though instead of the exaggerated 20km
You guys need to take into account this was January 1991 and the British Army was so underfunded, the military budget back then was piss poor and guys in the SAS/SBS, Paras and Marines literally made do with f*** all, the weaponry we were being issued with back then was substandard as well as most of your kit, but the Iraq army wasn't a professional Army like ours and yours they would literally spray and pray where as we prided ourselves on staying calm and choosing our shots wisely and yeah the 5.56 vs 7.62 argument will go on forever but that was what we had and unfortunately we had to just get on with it so it was what it was for us, as for the tactics that's pretty accurate for the SAS spread out in a line and take the fight to the enemy moving forward and putting the enemy on the back foot and and when the command is given fall back and cover (4 cover 4 fall back then swap roles) but again these were different times and we were literally still in the dark ages back then and as for the 3 patrols Bravo 1 Zero landed the chopper and aborted the mission straight away, Bravo 3 Zero did pretty well and took out a fair few targets but Bravo 2 Zero was just a cluster fuck from the start.
OK, so Mal MacGown was a member of my old Regiment and word is they did take 200+ pounds per man, a lot of it water, but they didn't carry all of it on their backs, they carried it by taking half of it at a time, dropping it, and going back to get the rest and shuttling it like that, and it wasn't 20k, more like 2 or 3k to the OP. Most of the story by both Mitchell & Armstrong was embellished, although Armstrong did walk a bloody long way into Syria & Mitchell & the rest were tortured. The numbers they faced were exaggerated, they didn't engage APCs, they faced Bull Dozers and Construction Equipment with local Militia. They stole a Toyota Crown, not a Yellow Taxi. The radios were messed up by Mitchell, they weren't given the wrong frequencies. Their maps were wrong and it was freezing cold and they had the wrong equipment due to poor intel & planning. Aside from that, the story is roughly true, and men did die. Lest we forget..
Most accurate comment on this vid so far from all the research I did on the story years ago. Not heard about the radios being down to McNab (Mitchell) before I don't think but the rest all seems to be the accepted truth.
Was Mal Macgown in 1st Commando regiment with you?
@@mikegleed5842 He was after my day, He was part of the 1st CDO COY out of Sydney, I was with the 2nd CDO COY out at Williamstown, Vic, near Melbourne. Back when I joined in '79 there was no "Regiment", there were two Independent CDO Companies, which were formed into 1st CDO Regiment in 1981. He joined after the Regiment was formed I believe. I know people who knew him. The two Independent Commando Companies were the only SF Units aside from the SASR (based out of Perth), until 4 Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment was renamed "4 RAR (CDO)" in 1997, and became a full time Commando unit, later renamed the 2nd CDO Regiment in 2009. The 1st CDO Regiment is made up of both full time, and part time soldiers and is a Reserve Unit, with a few full time Admin Staff & Training Cadre. They supplement the full time 2nd CDO Regiment. When Mal was in, he was a Reservist, with roles similar to what the members of 21& 23 SAS do. Armstrong was originally from 23 SAS (R), also a former Reserve SF soldier.
The book is so different to the movie... this was definitely stretched for Hollywood. Bravo two zero book was such a good read
I couldn't agree more. I read the book long before I saw the movie and, as most of the time, the movie was a chopped-up version of the novel, with some Hollywood drama thrown in.
th-cam.com/video/mPe-c_3eAIg/w-d-xo.html Bravo Two Zero The Real Story
the book is already exaggerated massively lol
The med pack thing - This would have been the patrol medic pack. SAS at the time had a highly trained patrol medic in each team who would carry a full trauma kit sufficient to stabilise a casualty and deliver a degree of basic prolonged field care if CASEVAC wasn't possible. This had IV fluids and giving sets, splints, chest drain and seals, advanced airway kit, various drugs, basic hammock stretcher etc. This was carried in a bag the size of a bergan side pouch and stuffed in the top of the pack. Each man had his own field dressings and morphine, but individual kit was really basic back then and tourniquets were still the Devil.
So was their opposition to tourniquets due to stopping blood-loss being not manly?
@@thejason755 Back in the 90s the use of tourniquets was frowned upon except in the absolute most dire circumstances. It was automatically assumed that once a TQ was applied then you lost the limb below the site, and only medics carried them. They were basic rubber tubes that secured with a hook. TQs only started being used routinely by non-medics in the early-mid 2000s after lessons from Iraq/Afghanistan
Well said
@@PaddyInf Yes, this. I id my service just after 8/77-ish and torniques were coming out - we receive rubber ones made from the inner things in bicycle tyres.
I don´t know why they were frowend upon... Well, i do know... But it is weird.. becuase orthopedic surgery uses it and has for decades.. 2-3 hours..
What it comes from was Napoleon time wars were people recived them an then lay the for a day waiting for help... And then it was too long..
The 209 lbs was apparently mainly moved by 100 meter shuttle runs with 4 moving and 4 covering. The first contact according to one thing I read was soldiers and a 50 in a bmp. So it was used moving instead of standing still, so gunner tried to aim through prism site bouncing up and down
Pretty much came to say the same thing. I would add that I think a lot of the weight was water.
Dude. Can you shuttle run 100kg on your back for 20kms up and down terrain? You're talking as if your denotion makes it plausable. Its fkn not possible. The body would be in so much pain, mission is the least of the worries. It wouldnt make sense to take that much crap. If you weighed 200lbs yourself, okay, maybe you can because you're built larger. But the reason SF does 130lb now is thats the average weight of a soldier, and a soldier should ne able to lift their own weight and carry it. In what world is anyone training with 200lbs for extreme distant treks in the military. None. Its clear Andy Mcnab made up a lot of shit
Great video as always, I enjoy very much watching you guys break down movies
You ain't wrong Buck. Keep your compass separate. Plus a compass can't handle the jolt of a rifle and still stay calibrated!
firstly, love your content. I think ive seen an interview of another SAS , where the teams had the option to take wheeled vehicles and they were the only team to choose to hump it after helo insert.
Same for us. We were always taught that when using the compass, flip the rifle on your back. In this case I think the compass is so close to the metal that it actually doesn't affect it anymore.
Ideally the compass to be a metre away from your weapon so, flipping the rifle on your back sort of achieves this. Having the compass affected by the metal in your weapon could have disastrous effects on your navigation, I wouldn't want to risk it.
Man I remember when a few of us talked about this in comments back when you first started this video series. Better late than never!
Andy McNab was one of the weapon trainers on Michael Mann's "Heat"
th-cam.com/video/mPe-c_3eAIg/w-d-xo.html Bravo Two Zero The Real Story
The other SAS advisor in Heat was Mick Gould, who trained TC for Collateral.
I have no military background, other than my grandfather and my dad serving in the Navy.
Zero knowledge of miltary training, tactics or procedures.
But, as a delivery driver who delivered everything from TVs and La-Z-Boys, to gun safes and 900lb kids backyard playsets...and everything in between...I can tell you, trying to deliver 200lbs even using a 2-wheeler (hand truck) is tough enough. Strapping one to your back and carrying it to someone's front door? Bullshit. It'll never happen.
On a side note, I frequently delivered to an AFB in New Mexico. No one ever gives thought to what kind of power is built into American military weaponry. The 105 cannons in the AC-130s...just the barrel itself weighs about 1600lbs.
Delivering sensors to Sierra Nevada...one of their guys told me, "Ever see those TH-cam videos of Al Qaeda fighters getting blown up pieces from a gunship? These sensors are what make that possible." Those things are 400lbs, riding in the nose of the gunship. The sensors in the drones are about 250lbs. Really cool stuff in those drones...but no one carries one on their back, for ANY distance.
There is a good doco around by an ex SAS guy who checked the facts. The big gun battle was actually one farmer firing on trespassers.
Congratulations on the channel! I'm from Brazil and I recommend you to watch Tropa de Elite 1 & 2. If you haven't already watched it, right?Anyway, congratulations again and all the best to you guys.
Thanks for all that yall do!Yall are completely awesome! Put the A-Team on the list for Beers and Breakdownz. Take care and God Bless Brothers
This movie was based off of Andy McNabb's book, Bravo Two Zero and is from his perspective. Chris Ryan wrote the book "The One that Got Away" which was also made into a movie. I thought Chris's book was better. Cool part about the book was once he was returned to base from Syria he debriefed Delta about his journey and received a standing ovation.
Chris also created and produced a British TV series called "Ultimate Force" about the SAS which was pretty bad ass even though you can tell they didn't have much of a budget.
First 2 seasons of Ultimate Force were good. Season 3 was okay, and the last season was rubbish.
Hey, seeing you guys react to some older stuff, there was a movie with Russel Crowe called "Proof of Life" with tons of cool things someone with spec ops background could breakdown.
I think I read somewhere there was a study in the 1800s , the optimal weight an infantry man can carry was around 40 lbs, fast forward to our times with body armor, ammo and kit it is like 100 lbs, more or less on average depending which country you ask.
Of course ,sometimes we have the option of dumping that kit on vics.
I absolutely love these breakdowns lol the movie you guys should react to next is man down with Shia LaBeouf
Mission was FUBAR from the jump. Credit to the training of the SAS operators that anyone made it back alive. Keep up the good work. Semper Fi.
As mentioned this is based on Andy Mcnabs book Bravo Two Zero, Chris Ryan's book The One That Got Away was also made into a film of the same name.
That kid was actually interviewed 10 yrs later... The kid says he never saw the Team. The compromise occurred when they bugged out. And we're seen by the farmers... One of whom was a former Iraqi SF warrant officer.
It would be interesting to see one of these SAS guys on the show to talk about their experiences. Also what they do differently would be interesting
agreed, ill reach out at some point
@@FNGACADEMY is ruck trainer going to be weight vest ?
@@FNGACADEMY ant Middleton is former SBS guy and he did run the SAS who dares win tv show think he’d be good to talk to
@@FNGACADEMY DO IT
Side note but I finally found the outro song you use and it gets me so damn hyped thank you
Thank you...thank you...thank you finally somebody other than me calling Bullshit on carrying 209lbs. I am Retired Marine Corps Force Recon i can honestly say that 120lbs over even a short distance will kick your ass. So thank you for giving your actual self experience as well.
21:24 I was a 19D. I was taught to keep the compass away from metal too. I normally carried my lensatic compass by attaching the thumb loop to one of my shirt buttons and looping the cord around my neck.
Not sure where to recommend movies but hyena road and siege of jadotville would be good movies to review. Keep up the great content, loving beers and breakdowns!
Have you seen KiloTwo Bravo? I love your movie recommendations both great flicks. Seige at Jadotville based on true story whereas Hyena Road is fiction
I've watched "Bravo-Two-Zero" as well as had read the book. It sounds to me, as well as doing other reading, that the rucksack weight is accurate, if not close to the weight as stated. The thing about "Bravo" Ass you stated, mistakes on missions lead to greater training, which I believe is what happened after this mission. Then, later on down the later on down the road, Robert De Niro is reading "Bravo-Two-Zero." This is just before."Heat" went into production. So, Robert goes to the producers and asks, "Can we bring Andy McNab on as a technical advisor?" Obviously, Andy is not his real name, but Andy and another special forces officer were pulled in as technical advisors on the movie "Heat. " As Robert was so impressed with the "Bravo" and asked for Andy to come on. Andy and another operator came on as advisors and gave 3 months of training, and the day before the scenes, the crew used live rounds in training and then blanks when shooting the scenes. But most of all, because of the training with Andy, Val Kilmer was recognized by his mag changing speed from the Marines. Marine instructors were telling cadets if they couldn't change out a mag a fast as Val Kilmer, they didn't belong in the Marines.
One thing not touched on here, but it is in the book by McNab, is the total breakdown of their comms. Both their comms back to the forward operating base (FOB), as well as their emergency hand-held radios. To my reading, the team did not conduct a comms rehearsal between their equipment and the FOB's equipment prior to infil. Holy cow, Batman! Unbelievable! Brief-backs and rehearsals were/are soooo important. I mean, you already know you are out on a limb with inaccurate maps and minimal intel, so you are going to really, really need comms in case of in case of increased risk of compromise and abort. Which is precisely what happened, starting with the LZ location and then the sheep herding kid. Again--no comms rehearsal? Ever since this story came out in the news (I'm 74 years old) , then books, then film, I have just been shaking my head with "WTF? Over?" Perhaps I'm too harsh and not knowing all the facts; please correct me if so. I have nothing but greatest respect for SAS brothers-in-arms.
P.S. I had had the same reaction as you did about the compass attached to the rifle. For one thing, it is very awkward for a quick azimuth check. Just try to do it. And what if, in the dark, you need to get your eyes right up next to the compass--but it's on the rifle. And metal can deflect the compass needle, as you point out. Don't know why it was not attached with a dummy cord to the shirt or web gear harness (no plate carriers or vests back then). Or use a wrist compass. Must have been a Hollywood thing.
--- (Fifty years ago: 5th SFG (Abn), ODA-572(HALO), ODA-575, Group S-3 shop )
I am not even in the military and it makes no sense to me either, not taking the vehicles was also a really stupid decision.
I was in Desert Storm. At night it got deadly cold, we were knocking ice off our gear.
ahhhh the classic SAS Desert Storm movie. i don't know about the spine decompressing, i lost half an inch when i joined the army, another half inch when i went airborne. I'm still trying to get it back.
I remember i heard Travis Haley say on a podcast about the different methods of doing things, he was doing a joint training thing with some SEALs and had some civil and less civil discussions on SOPs. multiple ways of doing things and all that.
This was one of my favourites in the day. If I remember they showed it in 2 parts on British TV.
An author called Michael Asher decided to put a microscope to this entire story in his book The Real Bravo Two Zero, and went to the areas referred to and spoke to every witness of the events he could. There's a lot of bullshit in Ryan and McNab's renditions of the story, more than just exaggeration but facts completely wrong. Complete bullshit, and the real story was just as impressive, just not as 'heroic'.
@L C Exactly.
@@LC-vx7zothat book wasn’t accurate as well, basically he got saddams permission to enter the country.
A ww2 paratrooper on D Day carried 70-90 `pounds of equipment and then needed help to get into the planes.
Yea imagine 120 or whatever ridiculous number they claimed
I’ve never heard of this movie or mission, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
One of the many things that this movie doesn't touch on. Is that General Norman Schwarzkopf did not trust the Special Operations community. Gen Schwarzkopf had bad experiences in Vietnam as a young officer with Special Operations. It was the British who opened the doors to Special Operations in Operation Desert Storm.
The 209lbs was supposedly divided between ruck, belt/harness, two sandbags tied together and slung over the neck, AND A JERRY CAN IN EACH HAND! IRL, it was said they only shuttle carried their load a couple hundred yards due to the proximity of enemy forces to the landing zone.
i love these breakdowns....they are funny asf!!💯😆😆 cuz I'm not military...but even I'm like wtf that's how u clear a room? Okay Rambo!! 😂💯😂
Even the commander that debriefed them has stated that both the "Andy McNab" and "Chris Ryan" novelisations of what happened have been greatly exaggerated.
I'm sure I even remember him saying, in the case of "Chris Ryan," that his evasion was such a superhuman feat in itself it didn't need any embellishments
Carrying 180 pounds plus wasn't unheard of back in the day with british special forces lads especially if you wasn't going in to battle persay and for missions like this, there was SAS lads carrying around 200 pounds of kit during the Falklands War and that was mountainous terrain.
SAS Officer Gaz Hunter wrote about him and another officer being sent to train Colombian Army SF, shortly before the Desert operation. Which attributed to the bad planning for the Bravo Two Zero.
The book The Shooting Gallery
"A former senior NCO of the SAS, Hunter is the highest-ranking member of the regiment to tell his story yet."
"A story about British foreign policy, and the secret war which has been waged against foreign threats to the British and their allies."
Regarding the B20 team have been issued 4 books (as I possess) 1. BRAVO TWO ZERO by Andy McNab, 2.The One tha Got Away by Chris Ryan 3. Soldier Five by a Australian Member of the team that also wounded in the leg and 4. The real B20 by Michael Asher a researcher and friend of the guy split from the team with Chris Ryan.
Reading all the books noticed that stories of McNab and Ryan have gaps.
Yeah - I have read all four of those and it was interesting to see the differences.. :)
Bravo 2-0 also chose to go in on foot while the other Bravo 2 units chose land rovers and UTVs. This was viewed as a bad decision from the start.
I do enjoy yr movie breakdowns LOTS! well done guys, really. I don’t have to agree on every single thing you state, but in most, I do. I myself use to be an airborne green beret back in my military days. Anyway, let’s not forget that all we see, in every movie that you drink beer and breakdown! that it’s a (Hollywood) movie! Few scenes stand to reality.
I forget what mission it was but either Grenade or Haiti the Green beret was tasked with getting a high value cabinet member. They parachuted in And the wind I think blew them off course. So when they all finally linked up and came the dude was already on the run. 🍺💙
Kajaki is the film you need to see
Chris Ryan's book was also made into a film "The One That Got Away" starring Paul McGann, David Morrissey. Good film
23:15 this just reminds of BD6 (as in room clearing) someone is always gonna tell you what you did wrong but in the end of the day its what makes you comfortable and gets the job done the part that really sucks in this is that some people dont understand that your individual that what works for you may not work for them
You should review the movie ‘6 Days’ about the Iranian embassy siege in London. Good depiction of the SAS and the whole operation.
i read both books and fromwhat i remember the weight of the ruck sack was consistent in both books, they had to lie back on it to strap in and the get help from a fellow soldier to get up. they had no idea they would be facing conditions so cold that it froze fuel, hence they only had desert gear on. the bergens were loaded with water, food. feul blocks for smokeless cooking, tins and radios, 400 rounds each, phosphor grenades, land mines, and two folding rocket launchers each. and the reason they didn't bother with cover when being fired upon is that even though they were taught to think of themselves as dead anyway in a firefight and to move forward, each of those soldiers back then would have cost the MoD £1000000 per training for accurate firing on the range and everything else, they just spent more time firing than anybody else on the range. my grandad was alive when he read the books and he was part of the original David stirling SAS. and he said that they spent more time on the range than anyone else. i believe him, he had some serious military medals and was featured in at least three books on the Desert Raiders
Would love to find out more about the compass scene , the only way I can possibly think around it is he calculated the magnetic difference between his bearing whilst attached to his rifle and not attached and he then just subtracts or adds the difference , kind of like when you get ice with a prismatic …… maybe or just like GMA 😂
This film is my childhood
Beg borrow and steal might as well be the SAS motto, apparently they used to haze the new guys by making them sneak into other nations barracks and steal anything and everything all without getting caught, kinov a simulation for being behind enemy lines.
I heard a story of one guy going into US marines bunks and walking out with, an m4 bird cage flash hider(removed from a rifle), a single boot, 2 cantines, a thermal optic, 5 (yes 5) pairs of nvgs and a fucking stretcher, according to the guys nobody had a clue for days.
The commanders in charge of the mission planning ignored key intelligence during the briefing in the TOC, and these guys were fckd before they left. and maybe the most underrated mission in Specail Forces history...
Generals love what I call "Spaghetti Dinners" it's when they ignore intelligence that leads to medals for everyone, dead soldiers and more wounded.
Thanks to beers and break down , l frankly now can enjoy war movies, thanks a lot for the insight.
When I was in Afghanistan we regularly went on four hour patrols carrying around 50-60 kilograms (roughly 110-135 lbs) of kit plus our weapon. I guess us Brits are just built different to you yanks. 😜Just kidding. But we would rarely carry anything less than 30-40kg.
The SAS/SBS are a completely different set of humans. They always do things most people find impossible. Its been proven that they did carry that ridiculous weight on that fateful mission, as they were supposed to have vehicles etc for the mission but plans changed. And iirc they moved some gear short distances and went back for the remaining gear. As impressive as that was though, IMO its nothing compared to what Chris Ryan did when he made that 200 mile walk in such dreadful conditions! Super human feat!
"Bravo Two Zero" was written by Andy McNab, and he faced quite a lot of backlash for the way he portrayed his team mates in the story. Chris Ryan wrote "The one that got away" which is a far better story imo.
It was Chris Ryan who faced a lot of backlash of how he portrayed his team mates not Andy Mcnab
SF or regular infantry ?
@@jasonblaha6169 McNab has faced far more backlash over his comments over the years.
@@tylerfreal6472 Royal Engineer. I was a sapper attached to a few different infantry units over 3 tours.
@@daijudo Sorry but Chris Ryan faced more backlash . Chris Ryan put Vince Phillips in a very bad light.
Soldier 5 is the best book to read about the actual feelings within the team.
Read the book man, you'll feel so much better. Its funny watching GWOT vets stress about the lack of kit in 90s British army. The twenty year edition of the book talks about how different things are now, the medkits thing included
3 months late here, but Bravo 1 0 got back on the helicopter after scouting the location and realising rhey realistically couldn't do it ( big balls move). Bravo 30 took vehicles and had a lot of success.
Love this series. Keep up the good work. Seems to be a focusing issue on your camera though.
We caught it a little late unfortunately
I would love to see you do the last gunfight scene from Den of Thieves or maybe a compilation of gunfight scenes from different movies since some movies have them but the rest of the movie doesn’t fit the tac review criteria
Hope you do well at your world record attempt, Nick is a machine, glad he is helping you. Make sure you document your progress.
Are you going to the UK to train with Grainy?
If you think that 209lbs is bullshit, then you don't know British special forces. British soldiers are notorious for carrying weight even at the squaddie level. SAS are notorious for doing the impossible. By the way you need to review 6 days. Good channel.
Swedish Jaeger conscripts carries up to 104kgs or more, roughly 230 pounds I believe. I do t know if his comments tell you more about British SAS, Swedish Jaegers or US counterparts
Fun Fact: A family friend is former operator in the SBS then SAS. Andy McNabb is considered the most hated man in the regiment besides he had no right to talk about his mates…
Conversely in the B sqn memorabilia room there's a picture of the patrol prior to the operation on the wall with a plaque above it that says "don't criticise what you don't understand"
Vincent Phillips (Ray in the film) got a lot of blame and was portrayed poorly (a jaded/negative NCO nearing the end of his career) in both McNab and Ryan's books about Bravo Two Zero.
Michael Asher wrote a book "The Real Bravo Two Zero" in which he went back to Iraq and questioned witnesses. Definitely worth a read as it question the facts as given by all 3 Patrol members who published accounts of the patrol.
Video of Documentary book is based on.
th-cam.com/video/mPe-c_3eAIg/w-d-xo.html
In my option this is a must watch.
Dope video seen this film several times
Was documented in several books the caught in the open firefight. I think the books mention 200lbs of gear per man including weapon systems and water. They claimed they shuttled the gear back and forth to an op they had set up. I think water made up half the weight. Which makes sense.
You guys really need to do We were soldiers. I know I've said it in the past. But it's such a well done movie.
Thanks to A. McNabb's book on the history of the BTZ Patrol, the passion of many young dudes for SF grew. It's a pity that you didn't discuss the scene of attacking the overwhelming enemy forces on flat ground and the second best scene of the film, showing a naked pee during the interrogation. Thanks for the video and your accurate commentary. Greetings from Poland and I'm waiting for your next videos. Cheers ;-)
Regarding the 209 lbs, the following is an excerpt of Andy McNab´s book, page 66: "...We have a scale that weighs up to 200 lbs, and it showed that we were carrying 154 lbs per man in our bergens and belt kit. On top of that we had a 5-gallon jerrycan of water each - another 40 lbs. We carried our NBC kit and cache rations, which weighed yet another 15 lbs, in two sandbags that had been tied together to form saddlebags that could go around our necks or over our shoulders. The total weight per man was therefore 209 lbs, the weight of a 15-stone man. ..."
Bullshit. Their equipment bcl then would NO way handle nor survive that.
@@bestjobieverhad9584 As stated, that´s what the book says... which is rather disputed nowadays. I recommend to read "The real Bravo Two Zero" by Michael Asher. He even did a documentary 10 years after the event, you can find it here on TH-cam. Interesting and sobering stuff.
The weight of their kit though is believable, as they just planned to carry it piece by piece from their insertion point to their patrol base.
Why you wouldn't look up a weather report before you dressed for combat is mindblowing. Desert, oh it must be hot?
i love these
Great video. Is there a video for Air Force One? I'd love to hear their opinion of the opening screen of that movie.
So rad dude 😎
It gets damn cold in the desert at night. We’re talking mad degree drops as soon as the sun fucks off. Couldn’t tell you why but I assume partly there isn’t any vegetation to maintain any ambient heat or to block wind. It’s like shining a heat lamp on a metal counter. That shit gets hot but as soon as you turn it off that metal surface will cool right down.
In 2015 back at SOI west they used this movie and that famous scene from Heat to demonstrate buddy rushing
i havent paid to watch a movie since
the matrix.....
your reviews are making me glad....
I was a Marine infantryman who served in Afghanistan with the 26th MEU in 2001. I weighed 185 lbs at that time. I weighed myself with full gear prior to departing from our ship. My added weight was approx. 165 lbs with pack, helmet, vest, plates, and my MK 153 SMAW w/2 rockets, M9, satchel charge, gas mask, etc. Not sure how much the pack weighed by itself, but we had so much crap we had to help each other stand up, and barely made it a 1/4 mile before having to take a break. Also our pack frames were plastic crap. Mine snapped in half and I had to ‘fix’ it with 550 cord. Anyways at 209 lbs I would have barely dragged it off the helicopter.
I'm with Sean on this one: I rode on the back of a bike with a dude once when I was in the Air Force. Never again. In fact, I'm just never riding on the back of a bike with anybody ever again.
We need a new movie about the glorious Glosters in korea. The Americans asked how things were up there, and us being British said "Thing's are a bit sticky up here" Which translates to "we are outnumbered 25-1 and being overrun. As a result the Brits were ordered to hold that hill and so they did. 700 Glosters went up that hill and only 75 fought their way back down once they had covered the withdrawal of the other forces in that area. 20,000 Chinese dead were counted at their fighting position after the battle. It was the bloodiest battle since WW2. Also the battle of Mirbat in Oman would make a good movie too. 9 SAS against 200-300 Adoo guerrillas.
Hey, Sean.
Do you do military TV shows? I’d love for you to react to Soldier Soldier, which is about a fictional British Army regiment called The King’s Fusiliers.
Having served in the Navy and looking to go back to The Life (either Army or Coast Guard for officer programs), it brought a lot of memories back for me, good or bad.
Oh, and the combat scenes in B20 looked like something out of the Metal Slug and Contra video games.
Cheers!
Re: the compass on the rifle, don't know the practical utility of it, but not all metals are magnetic, so depending on how much magnetic metal is in the barrel reciever (iron, chrome, nickel ) it may or may not effect a compass.
This story is more compelling to me than Lone Survivor, Marcus Lutrell, in the fact that with Lone Survivor, they had a choice to call the op off, take the goat herders to a safe exfill point, and as a dust off crew rolled in, cut the goat herders zip ties lose and get out safe with intel on the guy with no ear lobes aka Rick James…. And everyone would have lived to fight another day and could have went back in with better forces to get their man.
These Bravo men got found and had a very similar outcome and did not have a real choice to call a dust off. I guess my point is Chris and Marcus are two of the luckiest men alive to go through an op
gone bad and go through what they did to stay alive….. both could have called the op and got the Calvary involved and saved themselves…. Where as soon as an incursion happens…. You are usually met by insurmountable odds of getting away with what was planned. Walking to Syria from where Chris was might be the single bravest spec op story ever….where as Marcus chasing down someone who shot his dog is a close second. We only know how it turned out and can armchair it from a survivability standpoint… we were not there….
I'm just over here cheering for Buck's shorts to ride higher and higher every breakdown
The magnetic variation by the rifle would be constant if the compass is taped to the rifle.... You just have to remember and account for that variation.
I've read one guy's account from this named Mike and with the weight they're probably also considering the jerry cans of water they carried. And the brits count their weight as full kit so rucksack and load bearing kit. And he said they took so much stuff due to the duration of the mission they had to take what they could the first time off the bird then send guys back for the rest of the stuff later once they found their OP.
As well read Soldier 5 the writer literally says he wrote the book to tell what really happened because he was also angry about how Andy and Chris kinda dumped on that guy.
Still didn't have 209lbs on their back
@@Slide8918 no I'm not saying they did as stated I think that's impossible for how far they were supposed to tab to carry that much weight but again it might have been a miscommunication from books to movie what exactly they were referring to per man weight. Because I read in soldier 5 they were carrying Jerry cans of water and not sure how that got divided up or was factored into the over all weight.
Yea, they had water for 10 days in desert conditions which is a minimum of a full Jerry can per person assuming just 2L per person per day. As I understand it they carried these in shuttles with 50% security. They also had full CBRN and OP kit slung in sandbags around their necks on top of the bergans and belt webbing.
Bucks reaction to getting shorter was priceless
im with buck on this one.. 209 lbs is sheer lunacy in an operational environment. i had to kangaroo carry a 204 lb man for the length of one football field when i attended the Ranger Indoc Program back in 08. its one of my worst memories of that course. I couldnt even imagine trying to hoof that weight during an actual mission while completing tasks and having to pull security.. could you imagine trying to take a knee to pull security with 209 lbs and then repeatedly standing back up to move? more then likely you would have to ground your pack to take a security posture and then you would require your buddy to help you put it back on. I know the SAS are freakin savages but I have a really tough time believing 209 lbs was the average carry for this mission.
They were suppose to meet up with some Vehicle unit , that’s why the load was so heavy
Correct , the SAS carry light . Move fast
That makes way more sense if they were linking up with some form of transport. Sounds like these poor guys just had everything go wrong that possibly could have then..
Interesting that the other missions launched at the same time were all relatively successful so the maps and kit thing is a bit of an issue. As to the weight of their kit Their patrol chose to go on foot the others used vehicles..
The brass made the decision to save their own ass and blamed the one guy, and everyone was told that was what happened, so for a long time, they did blame him...
Such a good movie about a hell of a situation that went south (as corroborated as it can be with how different each testimony/ telling of the situation was). Great movie nonetheless.
I can't lift 100 kg and someone supposedly carried that around like it was just part of their daily life?
I'd keep the compass off the rifle just to not have some reflecting object on it. Like a scope glint in the sun.
Ironically Ryan said he never saw the 50 cal that his mate claimed to have seen. Also seems like everyone had a different story. But they carried their equipment like in turns and rested as the others walked to them, then went back to get the water cans, and repeating the process.
It's so weird because when I've heard Ryan talk about this mission, there's so much more to it, the parts that made it into the movie but not to what he usually talks about. I recall he said one died in gunfight, one died swimming in Eufrat and one after reaching the other side of Eufrat, Ryan not going because it was freezing and he was sure it'd be the end. Supposedly it was a very unusual winter, uniquely cold. And only Ryan walked to Syria avoiding capture. Had inflamed blisters, lost toenails, brain shrunk from hypohydration and hallucinated. Got to helpful Syrian house and was almost mobbed after everything, fake execution and all. Wild and sort of cool story when you listen to him tell it.
In the book Bravo Two Zero McNab said they pulled 1 of his teeth that was broken from being hit in the face by a rifle but or board.