This has to stop.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- Went for a ride on 22/1/2024 to confirm the rumours about the Department Of Conservation (DOC) removing all the privately built huts in the 42 Traverse, and the Tongariro Forest/The Dominion. Just to be clear, while they are privately built, the huts are considered public.
After taking photos of all the easily accessible huts we checked out a side track and went for a swim in the Whanganui river.
I will probably go back next week to check the more hidden huts for notices.
PLEASE HELP put a stop to this.
(read this if you don't know where to start)
The keen eyed among you probably saw that the notices are overdue, yet they haven't started pulling down any huts. This is because DOC is dealing with internal problems. The high up DOC officers who know nothing about our way of life and spend their time in an office, are pushing for the removal of the huts, while the men on the ground are fighting to put a stop to it, but without our support they will likely be overruled and forced to remove them.
I believe these are the four best ways to put a stop to this hut removal:
1. Write a letter to:
Hon Todd McClay
Minister of Hunting & Fishing
Todd.McClay@parliament.govt.nz
Parliament Buildings
Wellington 6160
New Zealand
2. Write to:
Hon Tama Potaka
Minister of Conservation
Tama.Potaka@parliament.govt.nz
Parliament Buildings
Wellington 6160
New Zealand
3. Write to Suze Redmayne (the local MP)
4. write to the newspapers.
Sending any complaints to DOC head office would probably be pointless, the people receiving the letter could be supportive of removing the huts.
Complaints to local DOC offices would be even less successful.
Any contribution would be a great help! 😃
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#hut #removal #demolition #42traverse #ruapehu #doc #hunting #nationalpark #owhango
#nz #newzealand #protest
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Wake Up, Smash Into Pieces.
PLEASE HELP put a stop to this.
(read this comment if you don't know where to start)
The keen eyed among you probably saw that the notices are overdue, yet they haven't started pulling down any huts. This is because DOC is dealing with internal problems. The high up DOC officers who know nothing about our way of life and spend their time in an office, are pushing for the removal of the huts, while the men on the ground are fighting to put a stop to it, but without our support they will likely be overruled and forced to remove them.
I believe the four best ways to put a stop to this are:
1. Write to:
Hon Tama Potaka
Minister of Conservation
Tama.Potaka@parliament.govt.nz
Parliament Buildings
Wellington 6160
New Zealand
2. Write to:
Hon Todd McClay
Minister of Hunting & Fishing
Todd.McClay@parliament.govt.nz
Parliament Buildings
Wellington 6160
New Zealand
3. Write to Suze Redmayne (the local MP)
4. write to the newspapers.
Sending any complaints to DOC head office would probably be pointless, the people receiving the letter could be supportive of removing the huts.
Complaints to local DOC offices would be even less successful.
Any contribution would be a great help! 😃
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Update: Thanks to your contributions we received a call from the minster of Hunting and Fishing! He is on our side and working to put a stop to this.
The Minister on Conservation is also on Board.
Because of this, DOC has "temporarily" stopped to "re-evaluate". Which basically means they've stopped until we have different ministers, and everyone else has forgotten about it.
Please keep writing to the ministers if you haven't done so already, they need to know how many people oppose this so they can put a permanent stop to this rubbish.
these links have been stopped by or overlords too. Much love to the awakened... God BlessNZ
sorry for not understanding , my bad , stay your fight bro .
@@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadassAllgood!!! I should have noticed sooner that we were talking about two different things 😅
Thanks for the support mate!!! And the subscribe is much appreciated 😃
Suze is pretty useless. Ian was way better.
Also if the Treaty Referendum goes forward, all of us who love our bush and our public lands, should vote no to it. We don't want privatisation and resource extraction of these great places. These areas should be for all. And that's the shame about these huts being taken down. Almost a gentrification of our bush.
Sure. I for one will gladly help putting a stop to the spread of these shanti shacks on public land. (Not a national park but public land nevertheless)
Doc need to remember the land belongs to all they are the caretakers of our lands not the owners and they work for us the people
Exactly. Unfortunately DOC always seems to forget that 😡
Luckily heaps of people have stepped up and are reminding them of that.
Thanks for watching!
Doc is not for the people it’s for it’s masters. People need to realise that the government isn’t for the people it’s for its controllers.
I strongly suggest you have a read of the article - story about the situation before you conclude something that aint so.! You only have to type the words 'DOC HUT REMOVAL.. WHY? In the search bar look at 3 different articles to get a clearer perspective.
Has anyone checked title?
My comprehension of it was that they are holding it in trust for the peoples use.
If so all the removal/prosecution is subject to the trust law cases of history in particular:
In re Beddoe
Where doc would have to show to the High Court that is acting correctly according to the Trust (statute) and not in breach of trust.
Noticing formally by letter and evidence of same; by sending to their boss:
The governor general.
@willsmith3736 There are no DOC articles on this particular incident. There are a few newspaper articles, but DOC's response within those was full of red herrings.
once again i love how DOC refers to publicly own land as there land the are only an appointed gov gardian of NZ public land they dont own jack.
Yep, typical DOC 🤦♂.
I think its time for us to remind them that it does not belong to them.
Thanks for watching!!
Have to agree , no one owns the land the sea , we pay there wages ,not for them to decide who can and can't .
@@jase265 Can't Argue with that.
Everyone needs to step up and remind them of that, and I'm very impressed how many people are now doing exactly that!
Thanks for watching!!!
Where do they do this?
Not actually true. You might feel that the land is morally not owned by anyone. But public land is actually legally owned by the government. In other words it's owned by all citizens of NZ and the government officials are elected to oversea it.
We this exact trip during December. Camped by the river at the bottom and was appalled by the litter thrown into the bushes all around the campsite. I however noticed how clean the surrounding of the huts were. I visited a few of the huts and made a mental note to go here again and stay in one of them. Moaning aside... I was absolutely blown away by the beauty and free access. This is a beautiful country and this being so central for fishing, hunting and wilderness camping is an absolute privilege. These are not dens of inequity... the love for nature and the effort and love put into these huts was very obvious. The impact was absolutely trivial compared to the rats and litter at the bush camping areas where these spots were clearly not treated the same. Its mind boggling how DOCs solution to conservation is to close and limit more and more places where hunters can have access and keep numbers down, but fly over and drop helicopter loads of 1080 in the name of conservation. I have been near and on conservation land where 1080 has been dropped and it was not pretty. 1080 is not selective and killed everything, even native animals and bird and gets into the streams.... its just sickening. The way things are going, beaches are next... I warn you. I think DOC needs to listen to the people who care and want to keep coming here. This bureaucratic nonsense needs to stop. I feel we are all custodians and need to call out people who hoon through these forests ripping up new tracks and making the track worse for the people who try come after them... Nothing but respect for these huts and their intentions. DOC needs to start taking ownership and responsibility for the access road. Start making sure enforcement of litter and clean ups are carried out... until then... they should be loosing their authority on these matters
That's totally correct!
The campsite down by the Waione stream is where most of the city four wheel drivers stay, in general they seem to have less respect for the bush than the rest of us.
The hunters are the most concerned with keeping rubbish out of the bush, I often see them stopping to pick up pieces of rubbish on the side of the track (and I do the same) yet DOC thinks their huts generate rubbish dumping areas 🤦♂️
It sure is a spectacular area!
1080 is a very sad, expensive, and cruel business. The negative impact FAR overshadows whatever positives it has.
I agree, DOC needs to start cooperating with the people who spend time in the bush rather than working against us like they always have.
I second that notion, DOC do your job, or lose your authority.
Thanks for watching!!
Maybe the fktards who hike into the huts and dump their rubbish should take responsibility also?????
@gixxusmetalman7435 Hey sorry to ask but what did you mean by that?
Awesome Abel and Andy behind you 100%.Liked and shared to my socials here in Australia.
Thanks Nick, I appreciate it!!!
They come in very handy in cases of emergency or disasters and are good as long as they have proper disposal of human waste and rubbish is taken back home.
Exactly!
Yep almost every hut has a long drop, and it’s hard to find rubbish lying around 🤷♂️.
The campsite where the 4wders stay is a very different story… toilet paper behind every tree and beer cans under every bush 🤦♂️
The huts are the tidiest accommodation areas in there.
Thanks for watching!
Make DoC built so called legal huts on the locations.. It is already our tax dollars that pay them. Work for their money for a change. Dollar for dollar for huts, for the dollars used for 1080. If not, call for the defunding of DoC in the area.
A great suggestion! But some of the huts that they plan to remove are better than what DOC would build! They just need to pull their heads in and think about what they are actually doing... wasting money on something that benefits no one.
Your idea is perfect for some of the shoddy old tarp huts that are still used.
Hopefully there is enough of an uproar to stop them, they tried to keep their plans quiet, but I couldn't resist ruining that for them 🤣
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. I didn't even realise this was happening.
You’re most welcome!!! Yes they’ve tried to sweep it under the rug so people wouldn’t kick up a stink until after it was done, so I had no choice but to ruin that for them 😈
I’ll go back some time in the next few days to check out the more remote secret huts to see if there are notices in those, and give an update on DOC’s response, so keep an eye out for that!
Thanks for watching!!
Some of my most cherished memories are of tramping into a hut somewhere in the mountains for a weekend with mates. We have to stand for what's right and good, if we don't who will
Same here! 😥
Exactly. Most of the time people don't stick up for what's right, luckily, this time is different!
We're currently trying to get as many people as possible to write to the Minister of conservation, to hopefully put a permanent stop to this! Do you reckon you could give us a hand? 🙂
Thanks for watching mate!!!
It blows my mind that they want to waste their precious finite funding on something that helps no one and doesn't achieve anything. From your pics, they looks well maintained, tidy and safe. This really boils my blood.
Yes it's crazy. Yep pictures are accurate, and same goes for 90% of the other huts.
Same here 🤬
We're currently trying to get as many people as possible to write to the Minister of conservation, to hopefully put a permanent stop to this! Do you reckon you can help us out? 🙂
Thanks for watching!!!
@@Abel-Harland No worries, I can write one up. I'll also reference my disappointment at the removal of the Te Urewera huts. +1
@loungelizard3922 Amazing!!! Thank you so much 😁
You're the man mate!
What a shameful disgrace.
Hi Marius!
Sorry to ask, but were you talking about the removal of the huts? Or my video?
The reason I ask is because you share your name with one of the DOC officers who signed one of the removal notices 😅, as you can see from 3:09
Just making sure you're not the same person 🤣
Thanks for watching!!!
Wow. I didn't see that name. Thankfully I am not related to the signee. I find it disgraceful that these huts are being removed. Good on you for making the vid. P.s that doc fellow is a disgrace to the name.@@Abel-Harland
Glad to hear! and good thing I asked, I was busy writing a hateful response until I realised that you hadn't specified what you were referring to 🤣
Thank you!
A disgrace he is 😡, please make sure to share the video with like minded people so he doesn't get his way!
Man, I miss the TH-cam days of hateful responses. All this woke/p.c bullshit drives me crazy. I tried typing 'fuck you, Abel' as a nice sign off and instantly YT admonished me. I had to delete it because I'm on thin ice again with these tyrants. @@Abel-Harland
@@Marius_vanderLubbe I’ll say 🤬, it drives me mental, although my idea of a hateful comment doesn’t include cuss words or name calling, just a methodical decimation of their point of view 😂, but they are catching on to that now too 😡. The world seems to be waking up a bit… so hopefully they back off, otherwise I’ll have to jump on Elon’s band wagon and move my channel to X 🤣
Appreciate the vid team, and spot on what they are doing doesnt make sense and dangerous. Theres a bigger motive going on.
You're welcome! Yep, it needs to stop.
Probably some city person high up in DOC looking for a promotion.
I think the way to stop it is for as many people as possible to write to the new minister of hunting and fishing, with enough people and a bit of luck we will get a law change to make sure DOC can never try this again!
Thanks for watching!!
Sigh Doc being Doc. They are always great at hiring people who have never been outside in there life to make these decisions.
You are completely right! Which is why those of us who actually do care about the bush can't let them get away with nonsense like this!
Thanks so much for watching!!!
That's b.s. I volunteer for DOC projects and all the DOC staff have 30+ years of backcountry experience.
@@Longtack55 Well get some people with functioning brains then
@@Longtack55 No it most certainly is not.
Mouseofcake and I were referring to the people who made the decision to demolish the huts, whom spend most of their time in office buildings and have very little experience in the bush.
Yes, the men on the ground actually doing the work have plenty of experience, but those people HEAVILY oppose the removal of the huts, to the point where many are refusing to help with the removal.
@@Abel-Harland Suggesting Khunters achieve pest control shows a level of care about the bush based on the type of ignorance and nonsense some are accusing DoC of having (with some validity in some circumstances). Deer, tahr, goats, pigs, possums, wallaby's etc hve become prolific despite recreational (& DOC for most ungulates) efforts.
DoC manages on behalf on NZers, not a few entitled whinging hunters. Management plans are periodically reviewed, and if your submissions addressed the issue at least some explanation will be available why illegal huts require removal. If you didn't submit, you are part of the problem.
DoC will not normally agree to private buildings any more than the councils or private landowners. A few have been approved that were licensed occupations, and a few have arrangements with organisations who manage them to specific conditions. If a good reason to keep any of these exist constructively approaching DoC with such a proposal may result in an arrangement, but most are just more rubbish on public land
while i disagree with DOC pulling these huts down for the reasons you mentioned and more, i can see why they want to pull them down - it sets a bad precedent if they allow these huts to remain as it would be pretty much giving license to anyone to build whatever they want on public land, which lets be honest would result in some atrocious work and basically piles of rubbish for them to have to remove at expense.
it appears they are taking a pretty hardline approach to preventing this, but they would do better to set up some kind of retroactive consenting process to legitimise the better built huts and set up some kind of formal application to ensure any new huts were built to satisfactory requirements
Yes indeed, video creator is narrow minded and naive to actual human behaviour...
@david_kim Yep they are doing way more good than harm!
I don't know about that... While there might be a few exceptions, the people who do that sort of thing usually aren't interested enough in the bush to build a hut. But when they do, yeah pull it down, I even said that in the video. Not to mention, getting caught littering by a hunter could end up way worse than if you were caught by a DOC officer...
Honestly, the two places where they have the MOST rubbish laying about, is the campsite at the Waione (NO hut, just an open clearing where the 4wders stay), and DOC's own 10 man hut 🤦♂️
Exactly, they need to be open about it, communicate with the community, make exceptions, be easygoing about it. It would be great for DOC's reputation, the environment, and the people. What more could you ask for?
@iliketurtles4463 I'm afraid you are naively misjudging me.
The wilderness often acts like a filter for people, while there might be a few exceptions, the ones who disrespect it aren't interested enough to go into it, let alone build a hut. But if they do, yeah pull it down, I even said that in the video.
Not to mention, getting caught littering by a hunter could end up way worse than if you were caught by a DOC officer...
Honestly, the two places where they have the MOST rubbish laying about, is the campsite at the Waione (NO hut, just an open clearing), and DOC's own 10 man hut 🤦♂️. In other words the places that are easy to get to for the city people who have no respect for the bush.
our council/ government and doc have completely lost the plot these days.
huts like these are what allow people to enjoy nature and hikes without harming the environment. they were what allowed hiking greats to do their thing. would we have an edmond hillary if all these huts were removed back in the day? what happened to the carefree laid back attidude of new zealand. they were better days.
i think this is a travesty and a massive waste of money. it pisses me off.
Completely agree with everything you've said.
I laugh when people complain that the new government is pushing us 50 years back in time, they fail to realise it was a better time!
Same here 🤬
We're trying to get as many people as possible to write to the Minister of conservation, to hopefully put a permanent stop to this! Do you reckon you could give us a hand? 🙂
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment mate!!
This is the best thing I have ever seen on TH-cam it’s like they slowly but surely fucking over hunters
Thanks Paul!
Yep, thats right 😡
Controlling the food supply?
@@jorees Quite possible.
Thanks for watching!!
Crazy thing to me is hunters are keen, pests are there.... seems obvious really.
DOC is run in such a lazy way it's criminal when national parks etc are what NZ is to many.
@@getahanddown Exactly! You are so right.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for getting the word out! Can't understand how they thought this was a good idea?
No worries! Glad I could help.
Me neither 🤦♂️
Thanks for watching!!!
Having a hut in a remote place is a safety issue! Saving people's life from hypothermia
Exactly! There are heaps of benefits to keeping the huts, and it doesn’t negatively affect anything 🤷♂️
The whole thing is a load of rubbish made up by people who know nothing about the bush 😢
Thanks for watching!
Be prepared and don't bite off more than you can chew is an alternative to a Darwin Award. Never heard compliments about victim's judgement when doing a cold bag-up.
A significant issue is relevant to the less developed areas, a bad turn of weather can be disastrous. Don't overlook several have been killed sheltering in huts. There are several programs/channels that show accessing some serious country that is well outside the comfort zone of many. It is surprising the lack of fatalities in the mountains following these examples, given inexperience, & expectations gear is as good as the salesman said. It amuses to see some of these filmmakers shivering in wet camps, or having members flown out after falling off. Not so funny if they'd croaked, or there had been sudden weather deterioration making someone have to try to rescue them, and be drawn into risky situations due to unprepared fools discovering their limits. Plenty of places with huts to go to, without covering remote NZ with corrugated iron to keep the delicate from getting their hairdo wet
@johnmead8437
Please stop talking nonsense. Many of the huts in the Tongariro Forest have been invaluable during search and rescue operations. While you (a random person obviously not from this area) might want these huts removed, very few others do, including DOC staff who also use these huts from time to time.
Every comment you have left has made you look more and more like a fool.
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@Patshes Please continue to prove your ignorance.
That looks like a amazing track and I would love to explore it on my quad and yes it’s a Shame about doc as a keen hunter in my younger years I spent many a rainy night in a warm dry privately constructed hut or bivy they are normally at the best place for real hunters and a welcome sight when breaking through the rain and mist PLEASE DOC they are hurting no one but helping many so leave them alone
Yes it's a neat place to explore! so many side tracks!
A shame is and understatement 😢
EXACTLY!
Thanks for watching!!!
@@Abel-Harland do ya know how much of the track is accessible on quad at the mo as on the doc website it says it’s closed
@@kevinforsyth3681 yep all of it is accessible with a quad, there is a big slip in the middle (why doc says it’s closed), but there is a bypass track for quads only, check out my “best ride yet” video, you’ll see the bypass track 😁
It’s the same in Australia mate , our Gutterments don’t want us to have fun anymore .
Yep, The sad truth.
Thanks for watching!!
What they want is complete control. A holes.
Mostly it's about public servants boosting their egos. Not very much servitude shown by public servants in either country from my experience. Allowing the public to access and enjoy public land is why DOC/Forest Service/Acclimatisation Society was invented in the first place. They have made many mistakes over the years, and done some important things (as they are funded to do), but there is way to much push to restrict/ hamper accessibility to our lands
Like locking us out of the high country at Easter this year instead of June
@GypsySheryl Assuming Aussie high country. What was their reasoning?
Good hearing you Harlands stopped these Doc-Eco-fascists from destroying us Tongariro hunters' history every camp tells a story.
Yep it was our pleasure Jim 🤣
Well done. Great video and information. Ive written to Tom and Tama requesting this work stop and DOC make assurances' they will not disturb these huts in anyway.
Amazing thank you!!! You are the man mate!
Quite a few people have done the same, and hopefully the trend continues!
Thanks again for your support and all the best to you sir!
Received a response today from Todd McClay saying the removal the illegal huts has been put on hold. Its not promising language but its a start. Youve probably seen the response send to others? I can share this if you would like a copy? @@Abel-Harland
@fletcherglass5160 Brilliant!
Yes he actually called us 🤯, he can't make any promises on paper but he is on our side a lot more than he can let on.
Yes a copy could be useful, if you go to my channel homepage, then click "more about this channel" you should find an email address that you can forward it to 👍
@fletcherglass5160 Brilliant!
Yes he actually called us 🤯, he can't make any promises on paper but he is on our side a lot more than he can let on.
Yes a copy could be useful, if you go to my channel homepage, then click "more about this channel" you should find an email address that you can forward it to 👍
I support 100% the use of well timed regular aerial biodegradable 1080 to control possums, stoats, rats and deer . It's not the total solution but is vital and produces very good conservation outcomes. It hugely benefits the native birds and gives the whole forest a chance to recover. However it is also vitally important that trampers and hunters are able to use these forests. They help keep deer, pigs and goats down, It's important that people use and enjoy these forests . The fact that private individuals have built huts and maintain them for the benefit of visitors is an asset when they are of a standard shown in this video. The Tongariro Forest was trashed by logging under earlier government policies. It used to be a dense podocarp forest. In time it will recover.
Keep up your good work., Abel.
@stephenking4170 I can't support anything as cruel as 1080, if you're going to kill something, I don't care what it is, you do it quickly and efficiently. But I accept 1080 as a necessary evil. Although I have seen bush robins pecking at the stuff, and you see the odd dead bird after a drop, but that's all a bit off topic.
My point was we should do everything possible to reduce 1080, which as you pointed out, hunters help with that. To be clear, I DO NOT believe it would be a good idea to stop 1080 altogether, at least not until we find a better alternative.
I do believe DOC should increase the use of deer repellant.
As for the rest of your comment, I totally agree! Everyone deserves to enjoy this great piece of land. Thanks so much for the support 😁
@@Abel-Harland Thank you. Unfortunately the reality is that in many, probably most of our forests the hunting pressure is not great enough to get the deer numbers down sufficient to enable forest recovery. Once the ice cream species have been eaten out, it takes few deer to keep it eaten out. If there are enough deer for a guaranteed kill in a weekend, there are usually too many deer for forest health. Many forests now have very few seed sources left to replenish species that have been decimated. Rakiura, Fiordland and Te Urewera are examples of majestic forests that are hollow shells of what they should be. They are ecological deserts or supermarkets with the fruit, vege, dairy and meat aisles stripped out of them. Asplenium ferns and fruiting understory species largely gone. At Pureora 30% of the canopy species are highly palatable to deer so you can imagine what effect they have on the future of the forest.
Pureora is a great forest of international significance that is heading the same way if deer numbers are not reduced drastically.
Back in the day when carrot bait was used I have seen lots of dead Tomtits and some Robins, but the population bounced back to higher levels after the first season. The real gains from 1080 are in the rarer at risk species like Kaka, Kiwi Kokako and Whio.
DOC need to be employing professional hunters as well.
@stephenking4170
Most places it isn't a guaranteed kill in a weekend, the success rate in the Tongariro Forest for example is about 10%.
I'm not convinced...
I Spend a lot of time down at Erua, which probably has the highest deer population density in the North Island (Guaranteed kill in one weekend). Also the most different breeds of deer.
Even so the bush is extremely thick, not just with fast growing shrubs, but also sapling podocarp trees in all sizes.
You find small areas fenced off by DOC up the bush for monitoring growth without deer, it's always the same, you can't tell the difference between the fenced off area and the rest of the bush.
I spend huge amounts of time in the bush, I've never seen the hollow shells you've described... (Although I'm mostly around the King country) Doesn't add up to DOC's claims right?
I believe there's two reasons for this, first of all, our bush MIGHT be developed for grazing animals, Moa. There were estimated to be 2.5 million Moa before the Maori arrived, last I checked that's more than the estimated number of deer, they had to eat something.
If you look at many of our native trees it makes sense, many of them have developed to be as difficult as possible to eat. Think about Horoeka, Rimu, Totara, Kahikatea, etc.
Many native trees without spiked leaves contain high levels of toxins, Kowhai for example.
The second reason, Deer only eat from the bush if there is a lack of grass, there is plenty of grass in clearings, and along the streams.
If DOC wants to control deer, this is the way to do it: First, increase deer repellent in 1080 so wild venison can be considered 100% safe to eat. Now, remove all the stupid rules around flying Helicopters over DOC land, you are not allowed any flying object under 500 feet above DOC land without a concession, which as you can imagine is a huge and costly ordeal 🤦♂️. Meanwhile I can drive my quad through this same land, destroy the tracks as much as I like, run over as many native plants as I like, and DOC doesn't have a problem with it 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️.
Do those two things and half the helicopter companies in the country will start shooting, recovering, and selling wild venison on a huge scale.
I've talked to Dave Saxton, the number of deer he recovered from Fiordland per month is diabolical. And the money he made from it was equally impressive.
This method doesn't cost taxpayers a cent, creates a food source, and it's already proven to work.
Yes I'm glad they went away from carrot bait, whole forrests went silent because of that stuff.
Totally understand your frustration with DOC. The other side to the argument is perhaps the fear that a hut becomes a permanent home, it becomes squatted, or out of control over time. The huts you're showing add value for all users who enjoy the area. Eventually, less well meaning people will take advantage if DOC don't do some management. The balance would be talking to hut owners about intended purpose rather than blanket culling
Yes it’s frustrating alright.
Nah that’s unrealistic, for a start the squatters would need a 4wd to get in and out, and it would cost too much to drive from there into town to get supplies. And on the off chance people did start squatting in there, the hunters would give them something to think about…
Thanks for watching!!!
Yep, you’re onto it. It’s difficult for them to turn a blind eye once they know about them, as then they become answerable. Unfortunately as the population grows there are people out there who effectively take ownership of public spaces by building shanties.
I can't tell if you were up early or late when you made this comment, but you nailed it!
100% this right here!
That was for @meofnz...
There’s no good reason other than sadistic people in DOC wanting to exert power and cause suffering. It might sound far fetched, but this is a actually common thing in centres of power. A few bad apples ruin everything and there’s not too much anyone can do about it. The bad apples are attracted to power, and good people have to constantly fight to keep them at bay.
Thats exactly right. It's a sad and scary business.
To prove your point, most of the DOC workers are HUGELY against this, many are refusing to help with the removal!!!
Thanks for watching!
Great video Abel. will share it
Thanks Paul! Great!
Iwi and doc partnership to enforce U N people free zones
I grew up in New Zealand and used to love walking and horse riding in the New Zealand Bush. These days I live in North Central Victoria, Australia. I still live in the (Aussie) Bush, and still love to ride my horse in the Bush. Kia Kaha, Bros!
Thats the life bro!
Thanks for watching, the support, and taking the time to comment!!
Chur bro, I'm glad I can help! What's happening to you is so wrong, the country has been taken over by B@nksters and they just don't want anyone being self-reliant and enjoying the Bush!
I don't live in New Zealand because I could see the B@nksters moving in and taking over. They're here in Oz as well, especially in Tasmania, but it's worse in New Zealand because it's smaller, more isolated and has only one p0lice jurisdiction. So, if they decide they don't like you, there's nowhere for you to go!
That's why they want rid of the Bush Huts. Because it's somewhere to go...
@@Abel-Harland Chur Bro, Glad I could help...
Good vid thanks
Are the huts open for anyone who comes across them to use them? (And obviously use them with respect). Is there any issue with people thinking they ‘own’ the area and getting agro with others in there?
Yep, anyone can use any one of the huts 🙂.
Unfortunately the only people who seem to get agro and think they own the area... are high up DOC officers.
@@Abel-Harland no no , if a hunter is already there ,he aint going to like someone else turn up in his area, then it will be asafety issue , hunters. competion, no cell phone coverage,gunshots ect,ect,
@@Stephen-dd7up You clearly don't know how things work.
There are unspoken rules, and there is a lot of mutual respect. ESPECIALLY with the secret huts, if you can find a secret hut, you gain a lot of respect from the people who built it.
You must be kidding right? I hope you're not that thick.
@@Stephen-dd7up this aint a movie bud. people are not going to start shooting eachother over a hut.
@wotever99ninynine I know right 🤣, that shephendd guy seems to have a few screws lose judging by his other comments 🤦♂️
If the government is so concerned about conservation of the area then they should be upgrading these huts to prevent legal hunters from setting up night camps in new locations all over the area they want to conserve. The best thing the government could do for conservation is actually upgrading the existing shacks to make sure nobody builds more of them.
My thoughts exactly, there is clearly a demand for them, so be constructive instead of destructive.
And honestly there are quite a few that are better than what DOC would build 😂
Thanks for watching!!!
Valid and well thought out suggestion to solve the issue, not like the muppet that made the video who would rather just see a free for all of camps eveywhere like its the goldrush again!
@@iliketurtles4463 local governments are supposed to help people, even the fella that made the video. This is a good opportunity for them to do that while also providing a small amount of oversight to the land. They could have an agreement that the huts be maintained by the public & waive all public liability for anybody who uses or maintains them. The people who have a good chance to arrange something like this are the local firearm clubs, or any registered group that used the land for recreational purposes.
@iliketurtles4463 muppet huh? What part of this video makes me a “muppet”?
I think you misunderstand me.
I believe there needs to be a line in the sand, I DEFINITELY do not want to see a shanty town in the bush, but it isn’t even CLOSE to that. And if you had watched the full video you would have noticed that I agree with pulling down the messy ones. As it stands most are doing FAR more good than harm.
DOC is supposed to manage the land on behalf of the public and make sure everyone can enjoy it, but unfortunately they don’t have the funding to build and maintain the necessary huts, which means we need to take it into our own hands.
Put it this way, if doc decided to pull down every well used hut and put a DOC hut in its place, I would not see a problem with it, Although I would still think it’s silly, as some are better than what doc would put in their place, better to “approve” the good ones.
Be careful going along with something just because it’s “the law” laws are made by humans and humans make mistakes.
Good work. Expose doc for their stupidity. Job creation really, some twat with nothing better to do in the office keeping themselves employed by making an issue out of thin air to deal with
Thanks!
You are completely right, I can only think of two reasons why they would do this.
1: they don’t want people in the bush.
2: It’s a bunch of office people trying to justify their existence.
Thanks for watching!
This is always the problem with middle management!
'Nor will I share the locations with anyone'
You're a legend man, I appreciate it.
My Grandfather spent three summers building a hut in the Ureweras, It was used by hundreds of trampers and trappers over the years. But It was burned down by Doc+the Iwi a few years back. I was pretty heartbroken.
Thanks for raising this issue, Subbed.
PS. I'm pro 1080. There are no NZ native mammals so it's a perfect for ridding our bush of pests. Hunting and trapping can't keep up with the spread of pests. Talk to people in northland, They tried it and failed. Their forests are devoid of native bird song because of Pests and they were forced to start 1080 drops again.
Thanks mate! No worries 😁
Bet he carried everything in for miles 😥, then these lazy fools with no knowledge about our way of life come in and burn it down with no more effort than the strike of a match. Utter disrespect. And who does it benefit!? NO ONE.
I'll be pretty heartbroken if they go through with this, my family didn't built any of them, but some of my best memories are staying in these huts!
Glad I could help! And thank you!
We're trying to get as many people as possible to write to the Minister of conservation, to hopefully put a permanent stop to the hut removal! Do you reckon you could give us a hand? 🙂
Personally... I'm not convinced by 1080, But I get that there needs to be some form of pest control other than hunting, as for trapping, I think it can keep up with enough effort, check out "Keeping it wild" here on TH-cam, he makes it look that way...
Maybe if DOC managed things differently, I would be for it. But as things stand, I'm against it. Here's my reasons:
It kills all the bird life too, after a drop the bush is silent! It's an eerie, unnatural silence. I don't think the birds eat it, but I've seen insects eating it, and anyone who owns a dog knows that anything killed by 1080 lethal if eaten by another animal.
It's first and foremost a rat poison, but after every drop we get infested with rats! I don't know what that's about, but clearly they are doing something wrong!
DOC claims they are not targeting deer, they say they are putting in deer repellent, but it's a lie. There's no deer left after a 1080 drop, my grandparents place looks out across the Whakapapa river and the Tongariro Forest, we know where the clearings are, and after every drop they come back for a second round over the clearings. In the bush you might find one pellet every 20-30 square meters, in the clearings there's probably 10 pellets per square meter.
It gets into the water supplies, DOC says it's safe but they aren't very confident!
The people of Owhango had an agreement with DOC not to drop it in their water catchment area, now they say such an agreement never existed. But they do tell people not to drink the water for 3 weeks after the drop 🤣, They supply a water tanker and 20 litre bottles for people to take home! 🤦♂️
Cruelty, no need to say more.
Anyway enough of that, Thanks for the support mate!!!
From what I understand is 30-60 years ago, huts were permitted as they created safe spaces for trappers, hunters, and search n rescue operations . Each hut would have the same rules of occupancy to keep them pest free, fire free and ready with basic food, wood and water supply before you left. No alcohol, drugs , fire crackers, and parties were permitted. Everyone complied as it respected and understood. I don't understand why motorbikes, etc, need to be in the bush, creating noise, havoc and mayhem when the bush is for peace, quiet, hunting, tramping, nature and scenery. So I guess DOC are trying to maintain what huts are truly designed for. Yet at the same time it takes away the right to enjoy because of a few city dwellers who don't care about the dwindling bush environment that accessible for all
Thats right, All those rules still apply today as an unspoken agreement, very rarely do you ever see someone breaking those rules. (Although I don't think there was ever a no alcohol rule).
I disagree, there are many good reasons to have motorbikes in certain parts of the bush. Easy access to the huts for maintenance, More efficient hunting (equals better pest control), It makes it more accessible for the older people who used to walk all the hills but aren't so fortunate anymore, and just general fun.
Don't get me wrong, I completely agree the bush is a place for peace and quiet, but there are plenty of places in there without motorbike tracks for MILES.
Unfortunately DOC aren't trying to maintain anything, they want to indiscriminately destroy every hut that doesn't have a DOC sign outside of it 😢
Everyone deserves to enjoy the bush, But it doesn't seem like DOC wants that...
Thanks for watching!!!
You don't understand it because it's not your hobby. Just because it's not your interest doesn't trump others' choice of hobbies. What a ridiculous statement.
@@racetechseats8907 Yeah I agree, all those tracks were designed for motorbikes 🤷🏼♂
And you can only get so far on foot.
Thanks for watching mate!!
How often are you walking in? Those bikes can ruin some of those tracks pretty well when they’re more for tramping aren’t they? Do you encounter DOC rangers much? All for having the huts but personally more of a wildlife person then a hunter. :) in saying that we’re getting a 4x4 buggy to go deep into that bush soonish.
Yeah I do a fair bit of walking, Nah all these tracks were made for motorbikes, very rare to see a tramper. If I ever make a mess of a hill or something I always make sure to clean it up so the next person doesn't get stuck
Pretty rare to see anyone from DOC in there, but when you do they are generally friendly like minded people, it's just their management who give them their bad rep.
They aren't just for hunters, they are for all good people who enjoy and love nature! (by the way I'm quoting that off a rules list in one of these huts 🤣)
Good on ya! You can only get so far on foot. Although you'll be pretty limited with a buggy or side by side, a lot of the tracks are only just wide enough for a quad, so a quad would be what I would recommend for this particular area.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment mate!!
@Abel-Harland thanks bro, good info. :) you spend much time in Ōwhango?
All Good Bro 😁, Yep I'm there a lot because my grandparents live there. But I live closer to the mountain side of the 42nd traverse, so that's the side where I spend the most time
What am I gonna do when I go rabbit hunting and get lost or hurt?
Get hypothermia! 🤣😂🤣😂
@@Abel-Harland haha
if your lost your not going to find a hut ;) if you are hurt you can get your emergency shelter & set of your PLB :)
@@phillvallace
He was Joking 🤣
Even so, that isn't quite right... If you are lost in there it's only a matter of time before you walk onto a track, and every track eventually leads to the 42nd Traverse, where there is no shortage of obvious huts, but by that time it's probably dark and you're too tired to walk right the way out. There's usually emergency food in all of these obvious huts.
Excuse me for making assumptions, but it sounds like you don't spend a huge amount of time in the bush...
@@Abel-Harland Yeah I've never seen a bush before haha.
With that logic though if you come across the 42nd Traverse you probably know where you are at that stage and can continue your journey in the morning after sleeping in your emergency shelter.
If people want to enjoy the bush even for an extended period out there in those huts it should be THERE CHOICE what happened to freedom???? What happened to living the life you want providing your not hurting anyone else
Yep, we NEED that kind of thinking back.
Hopefully the new government throws things in reverse.
Currently we're trying to get as many people as possible to write to the new Minister of Hunting and Fishing, with a bit of luck, and enough support, we'll get a law change!
Thanks for watching mate!!!
They probably taking orders from the U.S. embassy, Tim Grosser was responsible for that relationship when he was NZ ambassador to the U.S. when they were over here working with D.O.C. 2 years later he became the conservation minister the same year of the most recent 1080 drops, like what business does the U.S. embassy have with NZ bush and wildlife 🤷🏽
What the hell, I've never heard about it but that's messed up.
I don't think so to be honest, it's one local guy pushing for all this, although he probably has the support of DOC head office knowing the. At this point who knows, and all I care about is making sure it stops.
Thanks for watching!!!
BlackRock and Vanguard probably Arden did some dodgy deals with them...
@FlacK88-ek8vg Yep probably 🤬
That's why all mine are hidden + it's much more fun building a hidden spot
True that!
Some of the hidden ones are incredible!
I know of one that has a solar powered fridge and a gas calefont, and another that has a generator and a hot shower 🤯, I still have no idea how they got all their materials that far into the bush without a chopper.
I just hope doc hasn’t found those ones (they may have found them while Kiwi monitoring), I’ll go back next week and check them out.
Thanks for watching!!!
Maybe they did use a helo, pilots are ordinary Kiwis too haha
@@kiwifarmer8828 Yep Some of them did, but most of them were brought in by hand (including the two most remote ones). Got that right! My dad is one 😂
What a beautiful place! 💕 I hope hunters who put up shelters and share them with other hunters... Are allowed to keep going forward as the tenants of the land. There seems to be so much land that the shelters help anyone traversing it..
I'll say! Very lucky to live here.
Not just hunters either, fishermen, trampers, and outdoor enthusiasts use them too!
Thankfully it looks like we're going to win this one.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!!
Thank you for getting this info out!
You are most welcome!
Thanks for watching!!!
What blows my mind is that they’ll waste money demolishing these huts, but won’t use that money building more huts and upkeep of their current huts. Seen some far worse condition doc huts that genuinely are safety issues. I broke my foot last year in the middle of a storm and a secret hut kept me safe and warm till it was clear and I could be helped out the bush.
That's exactly right 🤦♂️
They are using taxpayer money to hinder the public (The owners of the land they manage!).
Yep the ones shown is this video have saved a few lives over the years, search and rescue sometimes stay in them during their operations.
We're trying to get as many people as possible to write to the Minister of conservation, with luck, and enough support, we could bring about a law change and put a permanent stop to this! Do you reckon you could give us a hand? 🙂
Thanks for watching mate!!
Have the DOC / WEF following headquarters sc-um made their staff start to destroy these huts yet?
Hi Susie!
No, they have temporarily stopped. And while I know the WEF would love to do this, I don't think they are behind it this time...
Many of the staff are refusing to help with the removal, and the locals are kicking up one hell of a stink.
@@Abel-Harland The agenda forcing all this shit on us can be described in many ways. the WEF is just the public face as is the WHO.
This is a push for control of us all coming from many directions all at once. Fundamentally controlled by a tiny % of the human race and their cabal of useful idiots.
The WHO treaties being voted on right now. If the present govt allows these to pass.
This is whats coming.
Enforced Lockdowns.
Mandatory forced vaxx-a-nation.
Travel restrictions
Freedom of expression gone
Increase in tax
They'll have the right to experiment on us with what ever drugs they choose.
This is just part of the horror. There's so much more all of it antihuman.
Getting rid of huts in the bush is all part of it, even if it's coming from Govt clowns within this country. They are going to disarm us. Take everything of us.
Wipe us out and enslave rest to the digital prison.
This is a fight to the death between those who care and those who care only for themselves. Between the workingclass and the psychopathic elitist predator class.
Feels like they are pi$$ing on us. So much work and effort into these huts. We are so lucky to have them!! I was thinking yesterday how lucky we are to have those huts available for anyone that needs them. Grrr doc!!!!
Yeah I'll say, the whole thing is stupid, not thought out at all.
We're trying to get as many people as possible to write to the Minister of conservation, with luck, and enough support, we can put a permanent stop to this! Do you reckon you could give us a hand? 🙂
Thanks for watching and for the support mate!!!
All about control
Yup.
We're currently trying to get as many people as possible to write to the new Minister of Hunting and Fishing, to hopefully bring about a law change and put a permanent stop to this!
Thanks for watching!!!
Huts are part of Australians way of life the climate allows it.
This is a classic academic versus practical
The practical is saying there isn’t a problem here yet. And not likely to be one. The regular hut users are enjoying these huts and keeping so called pest numbeers down as they play a role in the cycle of life.
Some of the so called pests have nicely taken over from other animals that have become extinct.
And well managed the new zealand bush can cope.
Now the academic wants our bush back to the good old days. Old old old days pre human. Not going to happen.
Anyway the academic wins because they get the bosses job and will only hire people that think along the same lines as themselves.
Doc is a small empire everyone knows everyone and the old forest service type , out doing track Maintenance cleaning etc etc are getting the boot, Because they would rather spend that wage on some hairbrained scheme that tickles their fancy.
Some of what they want is good and a lot isn’t, They have forgotten that they are Public SERVANTS. They serve the public.
In Australia in some areas you can get fined for walking off the track, Here we go
Couldn't have said it better myself!
I totally agree with what you're saying about so called pests replacing extinct animals, people seem to forget that Moa's didn't live on air (or meat), and there were a lot of them in all shapes and sizes, so I wonder what they were living off 🤦♂.
Their ideas of what conservation should be are silly, if you follow that path too far you end up with a world without humans.
Thats right, they are wasting money on this while the tracks are going to hell.
People need to stand up and remind them they don't own the bush, as you say they work for us. Luckily people are speaking up this time, which caused them to stop all further work on this until they "talk to the locals" But I've seen no evidence of that. DOC's public communication is honestly pathetic, no public statements at all, they didn't even tell people that they have temporarily stopped, I heard that from an inside source.
Thanks for your input, and as always thanks for watching!!
Expanding on one of those points, let’s say for a second these huts have some negative net effect (one must be brain dead to think that). If the academic (doc) has the desire to employ native habitat restoration including removal of the huts as well as pest eradication or suppression then common sense would dictate strong pest control prior to the removal of the huts as they represent a viable conservation tool as shelters for trappers, hunters, conservation workers as well as the already mentioned added safety for trampers whether local or foreign. Removal of these huts before large scale habitat restoration through pest control is a priority flaw that violates common sense.
@caijager9946
Correct on all points.
As you say not only is it stupid it the first place, but its a priority flaw on top of that!
DOC themselves have sometimes stayed in huts while doing larger projects!!!
I like the way you think, do you mind if I include this comment in the follow up video?
@@Abel-Harland yeah easy as no worries
@@caijager9946 great thank you!
Please remember if not for a dedicated coalition of local and national groups in the late 80's and 90's this land would be covered in pine 😢
Really!?!?!
I hadn't heard that! Thank goodness the Forest service/DOC actually listened to the public in those days.
Thanks for watching!!
You recon its till possible to do the track in a truck?
You can't get right through the 42nd if thats what you mean, but if you just want to go to the big slip... Depends on the truck, if you got good tires you should be able to get the the Waione stream without any issues, but it gets rough between there and the slip, but definitely doable with a decent vehicle and some guts 😆
Thanks for watching!
Hahaha it would be fun watching. I did it years ago in my short wheelbase landcruser…what a fantastic memory didn’t think we were gunna make it all the way but did.
But the absolute best trips I’ve ever done through there was on horseback…the wild life you see 😮🤩🙄
People need to fight this evil!!!
YES! And people are!
We've caused enough of an uproar for the Minister of Hunting and Fishing himself to step in and call for DOC to stand down!
Thanks for watching!!!
@@Abel-Harland wow awesome!
I know!
The new government is trying to take steps to ensure it never happens again, but we'll see...
As long as you happy for anyone to use your hut it should be encouraged 👍
but... health and safety!
Bureaucracy gone mad as usual. They would be better to meet the hut owners part way and work with them providing information and resources so they can tick their boxes and everyone wins.
@@shagsheep8832 just let ACC sort it out 😉
Exactly! Although there does need to be some kind of line in the sand to make sure we don't get homeless people building shanty towns, but I doubt that would ever happen anyway.
We're currently trying to get as many people as possible to write to the new Minister of Hunting and Fishing, to hopefully put a permanent stop to this!
Thanks for watching!!!
@shagsheep8832 Exactly. If DOC management would lower themselves off their imaginary thrones to communicate and work together with the rest of us bush users, we could make life so much easier for each other!
But they are fixated on working against us.
Thanks for the support!!!
You just know if they had a way to charge property tax for these huts they would keep them.
Oh yeah of course 🤦♂️
We're currently trying to get as many people as possible to write to the new Minister of Hunting and Fishing, with luck, and enough support, we can put a permanent stop to this!
Thanks for watching mate!
Just saw the write-up in last week's KCN, then came here. I have no dog in this fight, but a couple thoughts anyway:
- I can see this being an exercise in arse-covering. It's usually the default reason for govt departments, private businesses, etc. And the recent legal results of the White Island tragedy will have made them even more risk averse. So a hut built who knows, even if it gets inspected by an accredited individual and subsequently brought up to code, would still make DOC look bad if it went wrong and somebody got hurt. There would be no registered builder to go back on to prosecute, so DOC would end up wearing it (because the building inspectors would absolutely have clauses in their reports about not being able to guarantee anything due to the huts age/materials/methods not necessarily being standardised, etc). So the higher-ups would balk at that, and would probably rather have NO huts at all. Of course, this 10-man hut you mentioned flies in the face of all this, unless it really is a recent change of attitude due to White Island, etc.
- secondly, are there any rumblings about this being connected to the recent burnings of DOC huts in Te Urewera National Park? I don't know anything that might link them - it's probably just a coincidence.
Thanks for your input!
I agree that is usually the default reason, however I don't think thats the case here.
You might remember a few years ago there was a health and safety law change, the old law said that if you were injured on someone else's land while doing a recreational activity, and they hadn't warned you of the risks, the land owner/manager would be held responsible (whoever came up with that law in the first place was an idiot 🤦♂️).
But with the new laws, people doing recreational activities are responsible for their own safety (there are certain exceptions in regard to unexpected risks).
Which is why the charges against the owners of White Island were dropped.
I think it's safe to apply this here, DOC hasn't built these huts, and they are only used for recreational activities (plus the risks are very obvious), therefor they are not liable in any way.
Even if I'm wrong it would still be cheaper for DOC to Install signs reading "uncertified structure, use at your own risk" outside of every hut.
More evidence that it's not to do with Liability:
In DOC's response to KCN's questions they never mentioned it. As you know, with government and large business liability is usually the public excuse for everything, so why wouldn't they include that in a newspaper response?
Its not like they are afraid to use it as an excuse in this case, two days after I posted this video they swapped the removal notices, with the replacements explaining their legal and ethical reasons for removing the huts, their focus there was liability. Yet the response to KCN came three days AFTER those notices. I know first hand DOC is not afraid to lie to hunters, hence why they talk about it in the notices, but the newspaper is a different story, someone would pick up on it and fact check them, not a good look.
And as you already mentioned they have no problem with the 10 Man hut.
Interesting, I haven't heard any rumours, but I'm not really on social media, although it's entirely possible they are connected.
I have heard rumours that this is a test case to see how much backlash they will get (and DOC pretty much confirmed it in their KCN response) before they remove every hunters hut in NZ.
That could be the link, it's possible both the Urewera's and the Tongariro Forest are test cases to check the public repose to their actions.
Any other insight would be much appreciated.
Thanks for watching!!!
DOC don’t own shit they are supposedly caretakers.
@Info.spelling Yep that right, We the people own the land, DOC just manages it. It's time to remind them of that.
Thanks for watching!
@@Abel-Harland Wrong. The Crown (via Government) own the land. DoC works for the Government, the Government made the rules DoC works under (the various statute laws). The public have input to the rules via publicly advertised management plan reviews that comply with the relevant laws.
A little knowledge can be a problem. But attracts similar minds.
A couple of practical thoughts...Instead of paying to dismantle good huts, what if DOC spent a bit on grading the worst bits of the old logging track to maintain access? It would help if there was a small community group comprising the current builders /users/ hut guardians that took formal responsibility for the huts which would help DOC overcome the real issue it has with allowing uncontrolled private constructions on public land? Under such an arrangement even the existing "secret" huts could potentially come under that umbrella and retain their unpublicised status. The formal DOC records would only need to record the catchment or square kilometre of those off the beaten track wilderness huts. Photographic records could be maintained of their condition to meet any required guidelines. "Tongariro Hut Guardians".
DOC has lots of arrangements with community groups and could simply give the Tongariro Hut Guardians a concession to take responsibility for and maintain x number of huts in the defined forests.
DOC has a couple of staff worker huts in Northland that are unpublicised and virtually unused. I imagine that non DOC huts would need to have an OSH safety disclaimer notice warning people that gravity exists etc, nothing that is insurmountable.
@stephenking4170 YES, practical thinking goes a long way 😃
That's what DOC should be doing... but they never have, historically hunters are the only ones who fix the tracks, by hand.
An volunteer organisation known as "Friends of the 42" (They have a website), tried to work with DOC to maintain tracks on a large scale, but DOC put a stop to their efforts due to "health and safety concerns" 🤦♂️
There is currently a group known as "The Carers of Tongariro" trying to establish something along those lines, but DOC higher ups seem to be unwilling to accept privately built structures as an asset, even if they are 10x better their scungy 10-Man-Hut which looks like it will collapse any day now. Thanks to the uproar caused by this video, and the newspaper articles, DOC has been told to stand down by the minister of conservation himself, But the Local DOC boss still refuses to make permanent arrangements around keeping the huts.
DOC doesn't seem to like practical thinking 🤔
If only there were more people like you in influential roles within DOC, people who care about conservation and keeping pest numbers down, but can think outside the box to find practical solutions, things would be so much better for everyone 😮💨
It’s gonna be really funny if doc tries to close all these huts cause I guarantee people are gonna do something to get back at doc for what they’re doing.
Yep I agree.
Hunters aren't like most other people who will sit back and watch you take something they love...
They will take an eye for an eye, and it wouldn't be the first time.
Thanks for watching!!!
@@Abel-Harland Right about hunters not being like most other humans, although social media has dumbed down a lot to the level demonstrated. Some are able to think outside the (tiny) square, not all are afflicted with their own expertise.
The similarities between the logic of most strident "hunters" and rabid greenies is disturbing and pathetically stupid on some topics,. Fortunately not all are badly afflicted with their own superiority and entitlement.
@@johnmead8437 Sorry what do you mean by that?
"although social media has dumbed down a lot to the level demonstrated" was that referring to me by any chance?
Hunter's who think like Rabid greenies??? superiority and entitlement??? I don't know what kind of hunters you're talking about, I've never met a single one like you described.
Most hunters are quiet, kind and intelligent people. Be good to them and they will go to any length to help you, but wrong them and they aren't afraid to fight back.
They know the meaning of life better than most, that's part of what makes them different.
Sounds like you've been dealing with 16 year old Auckland rabbit hunters.
@@Abel-HarlandIs "vindictive" the appropriate term for (some of) that user group. barking at passing cars?
@johnmead8437 “barking at passing cars“ sorry what the hell are you talking about now?
Get in touch with Winston Lest pesky pests and more cutie pies. Plus the Co2 in getting out there.
Good idea! will do that.
Thanks for watching!!
Good video bro your on to it
Thanks Mate!
And thank you for watching!
What? Huts are a critical survival tool for hikers/travellers because of their shelter from the elements and warmth. Unless the hut is an urgent safety hazard with documented evidence, there is every legal right for them to remain open on PUBLIC land.
Exactly! Nope, no urgent safely hazards, but apparently they are a "major threat to kiwi conservation" in DOC's words 🤦♂️.
Thanks for watching and for the support!!
Hi Andy and Abel. Can we use this video to create a protest like the one your Mum did for NPV???
Go For it Auntie Kalee!
As of writing this we have a reporter from King Country news interviewing us about it.
YES way to go go my man!!!! I’ve posted vid on X (twitter) and putting it out to all my SHEARING groups. The worlds a small place and the shearing industry covers a HUGE part of it ❤
@@kalee-dawncoster4840 Great thanks! X is the perfect place to share this, I really appreciate your help!
DOC never does the right thing
Have to agree with that.
You’re so right Abel
I posted some photos of me repairing a secret hut online, eleswhere in NZ. I didn't build it. It was delapitated, and i fixed it up. DOC tracked me down and told me that as the builder, i needed to go and remove it from public land, along with all the materials.. needless to say, i told them to piss off.
What are these people 🤦♂️
Good on you! To many people are afraid to say NO to their nonsense.
We're trying to get as many people as possible to write to the Minister of conservation (and a surprising amount have 🤯), with enough support we could bring about a law change and put a permanent stop to this! Do you reckon you could give us a hand? 🙂
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment mate!!
Great Video, in spite of that you need to put some thought to making a better case to DOC regards preserving the illegal huts! I would suggest making a case to DOC along the lines you talked about in the Video but with a great community orientation and benefit!! after all you have it all against you, you don't have permits or permission to build on someone elses land!! if you thought about it that way you might change your approach, as one of the 3.999 million other kiwis who have an interest in the 42 traverse i find it offensive that you didn't consult me and the other kiwis who own it! DOC is acting on our behalf! think about it!
Thank you Tony!
Some great advice there! But my aim with this video wasn't really putting a case to DOC. My goal was to bring awareness to as many people as possible, and show them how silly the whole thing is!
DOC management... Would not take me seriously, even after all the uproar this video has caused (98% in our favour), and three newspaper articles, they are not communicating with the community, at all.
I think the best way to fight it, is to take it a step higher, the minister of Hunting and Fishing, so far at least 8 people have written to him. And long story but my Grandfather (at the request of the local newspapers) has invited him to speak with a group of us in person.
I know you're joking 🤣, but DOC is definitely not acting on anyone's behalf, there has been a lot of backlash, and while DOC have temporally halted their plans, the higher-ups still think what they are doing is right (and keep in mind most of their workers oppose this, to the point where many are refusing to help).
I'm already working on a follow up video, and will certainly include some of your ideas!
Thanks for watching!!!
Yea if they listened in the first place that would be right however as we're all too aware they dont listin to anyone but themselves unfortunately.
Not my sort of "music" 🥺but otherwise great content 👍
@@damientoman Thanks for the suggestion!
But apparently the majority of people do like the music so…
Thanks for watching!!
@@Abel-Harland listening again it is more tolerable 👍
Without 1080 as a tool in their arsenal, they would need hunters. West Coast Regional Council funds the production of 1080 in NZ through their plant in ChCh & profits from its use. Go after the manufacturer, the distributor (trucking companies), ChCh helicopters (Richie McCaw) & the security firm that protects the sites as well as DoC. A class action suit may work considering they are in violation of their own laws & the Bill of Rights...
DOC have the job of looking after OUR NATIONAL PARK!! OURS!!!!!!! Not theirs Any one with a hut must take them to court they don't have the law backing them up in most cases For example 1] non of the notices are signed 2] the notice is not a legal document 3] two of the huts have been there for more than 20 years and belong to a citizen. Its obviously taken them more than 20 years to wake up> Hell they evan named all the huts the one with the fancy steel fire place is called "BOLDER HUT" I may be wrong but a structure if left up for too long by a person managing a property, that Structure is deemed PERMANENT, Don't take a lawyers word, search the conservation act and legislation and you will find they don't have a leg to stand on. THEN TAKE THEM TO COURT. Who ever owns those huts protect them they are part of the park "Our PARK"
Yep, although in this case it isn't even a National Park, just public land.
Interesting, I was under the impression that the law was totally in their favour with this 🤔
Which one is called Bolder hut? The Green one with the aluminium door and the picnic table inside? I know where all of them are, but I don't know the official names for most 🤣 (although I make up my own names 😂)
Most people probably aren't going to take them to court, the cost of justice in this country is just too high 🤦♂️
We're currently trying to get as many people as possible to write to the Minister of conservation, to hopefully put a permanent stop to it! Do you reckon you could give us a hand? 🙂
We already have the Minister of Hunting and Fishing on our side! But his authority over DOC is limited, although he has ordered them to stand down for now.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment mate!!!
Bolder hut is the one with fire place and chimny on the left, what stands at the moment is DOC have thumb sucked rules and regulations with which they don't have the conservation act to back them up especially when it comes to hunters etc take for example the hunting permit 1] is not a legal doc a permit has to have issuer and receiver signatures for it to be binding
2] Most of the don'ts of the permit are not backed by the CONS Act they don't have the back up in the court of law.
3] You cannot call it law if it is not backed by legislation
Tongariro DOC staff are great on a whole there are one or two bad apples seizing through the police, weapons for infringements, but i am now digressing.
Guys you don't need to lawyer up. Just research anything to do with the problem and hit them with chapter and verse as to how they aren't allowed to do what they think, they I believe they have for years made up their own rules as they went along forgetting they are managers not owners.
Ah right, Thanks for that, I always called it "the tarp hut" 😂. Do you know the names of any of the others in this video?
I'll definitely look into what you've said there, This whole time my argument for stopping them has been based off what's right and wrong, which is pretty weak compared to the law (it shouldn't be but it is). To prove the law is on our side would be sure to stop them in their tracks.
I Agree, I know quite a few local DOC guys, all of them are great! Most are refusing to help with the removal. The whole thing is apparently coming from one person: Dan Vanderlubbee.
Great info, much appreciated!
What are DoC's reasons for removal specifically? Attracting rats or something?
Nobody knows, they don’t give any reasons, just that they are “illegal huts”, I don’t know what makes them illegal.
I don’t think it’s anything to do with attracting rats, the rats are already in the bush, and it’s not like others are going to walk miles from the city just because of a few huts.
I can only think of two reasons why they would do this.
1: they don’t want people in the bush. (There is a LOT of evidence for this)
2: It’s a bunch of office people trying to justify their existence.
Thanks for watching!
@Abel-Harland Or maybe they don't want permanent structures erected on conservation land without permission, just as you might have issue if someone started building a hut in your backyard but yeah it could be possible the positives out way the negatives, if there is a huge difference of the amount of pest being shot from hunters with these being there but idk how much of a real dent they are making in populations and these huts really making a huge difference to their hunts
@@phillvallace The problem with that idea it that it is NOT their land, it is public land, thats how it differs from the back yard analogy. We refer to it as "DOC land" but that isn't actually the case. Why should they have a problem with permanent structures anyway? They don't seem to have a problem with their own 10-Man hut (originally built by hunters without permission).
Not only that, there is no way of getting legal permission to build a hut on public land, and because of that, for the past 30 odd years there has been an unspoken agreement with DOC to leave the huts alone.
You would be VERY surprised how much of a difference the hunting actually makes, you should see Karpoors road at the end of a long weekend, it's like a highway but everyone has animals on the back of their Utes 😂.
The positives FAR outweigh the negatives (next to none), and it certainly doesn't warrant spending 100's of thousands in taxpayers money to remove them.
Thanks for commenting, I appreciate your input!
If DOC is genuinely concerned about safety standards……instead of being wasting tax payer money being destruction…..how about using tax payer funds to bring these Huts up to DOC standards……if that is not possible, completely replace them with DOC huts.
If DOC is genuinely concerned about keeping the numbers of deer, goats and pigs down they would be helping hunters stay in the bush…..not keeping them out.
Request that NO huts be destroyed……so they can either be brought up to standard by DOC, or ask hunters and fishermen to make these alterations…….or DOC can simply just replace each hut with a DOC hunt……that would ensure that decent, tax paying, law abiding New Zealanders can continue to enjoy the use of this Public Land.
Absolutely everything DOC should be doing is facilitate in any manner, and help New Zealanders enjoy the use of Public Land……and not to be obstruction, and destructive as they would be in destroying these much loved huts.
@@phillvallace
@@Abel-Harland It is land owned by the crown and administered by the Department of Conservation with public access available, everyone doesn't have the right to lay claim or do what they wish with it there are restrictions on access to it. Not all administered DOC land even has public access.
I asked Google why on earth DOC are removing these lovely huts. They look great and professionally built! They would be perfect if you ever got lost out in the bush in mid-winter. The answer I got was:
"On its website, DOC says the huts' removal is part of Te Urewera Board's efforts to better connect Tūhoe people to Te Urewera, which is a principal purpose of Te Urewera Act and it supports Ngāi Tūhoe in its vision for Te Urewera."
I'm not from NZ, can someone please translate this into English?
That's exactly right! Most are built by tradesmen.
There is zero information about this on google. DOC tried their very best to keep this quiet, giving the minimum notice they could get away with, and employees were threatened with their jobs if they spoke to anyone. Luckily they failed miserably thanks to my existence 🤣
The only info about this online, is this video, and three newspaper stories from King country news (I'll attach those in a seperate comment reply).
The Urewera's is another forest way to the east of us, the land was given back to Maori, and the DOC maintained huts were being removed, it was found unlawful and stopped. It's probably unrelated to this, since all these huts are "illegal" and privately built.
These are DOC's reasons, (given in the newspaper response) some are partially true, others are pure fiction: Fire risks from LPG and wood stoves 🤦♂️, vegetation clearance, rubbish and human waste dumping 🤨, and illegal firearm storage 🤣🤯. But perhaps the dumbest reason they've given is that they are a "major threat to kiwi conservation" 🙄🤦♂️
Most likely the real reason, is bureaucrats trying to justify their existence.
Thanks for watching ᛇ!!
@@Abel-Harland Yeah, those sound like pretty weak reasons to remove them. All of those things could occur with or without huts. What it does do is create a disincentive to visit. That means less tourism for NZ. That means less money for the NZ economy.
I don't mind camping in a tent but my girlfriend is only ever going to do glamping. Seeing those huts makes me want to visit the area so I know there's somewhere we can stay. They look great for a bush hut, and well-built - accomodation with kitchen sink, fireplace, beds and fresh water. Wow!
Hit them where it hurts. DOC's decision to remove these lovely huts (which also would have historical value too) is going to hurt NZ tourism which in turn hurts the NZ economy. And dropping 1080 poison everywhere is not a great look for tourism either.
Thanks for the video and bringing this issue up.
@yggdrasil9039 Yep, although its mainly New Zealanders that use them, but your point still stands!!
I agree with everything you've said here.
You are most welcome! I couldn't just sit back and watch them take what I love.
Thanks for the support mate!!
@@Abel-Harland All the best with the campaign mate. Keep up the good work and letting us know. Subscribed. For what it's worth I've sent a tweet on X to DOC to express my concern about their lack of conservation of both the environment and of NZ facilities and history, and talking to mates about it
cheers
@@yggdrasil9039 amazing! Every little bit helps a lot!
We have the government on our side now, the tide is turning against these DOC idiots, will be uploading a follow up video in a few days!
Completely agree with DOC. Get rid of these squalid shacks, stop turning conservation land into debt facto private property. I disagree with your take. 🙃
Is that right? Well clearly you don’t spend much time in the bush. Not only is there no reason to remove them, but it is a priority flaw on top of that. They are not squalid shacks, many are BETTER than the doc huts. It is public land, everyone deserves to enjoy it.
Keep in mind that even the DOC workers themselves disagree with the removal to the point where they are refusing to help.
Thank you Shane!
Well Abel I've tramped every range from the Kauri dams of the Coromandel to the trestle bridges of Waitutu. First pack was a Mountain Mule. Still got it. Worked as a builder for 42 years. Know the hills, know tramping, know building. Think you're a presumptuous fool, probably an anti-vax, sovereign citizen, neo-colonial, right winger with too much respect for your own opinion. Not that it's going to matter, DOC has its policy and ALL of those squalid, undocumented structures are going. Walk on chuckles!
@shanewallace1126 Ok 😂 sorry for assuming, guess you’re just a greenie fool then.
Calling me presumptive in that sentence is… interesting 🤨
Tell that to the 1100 people who liked this video. You my friend, are a small minority, one of 20 who disliked this.
Keep in mind TH-cam’s algorithm is more likely to recommend this to people who will disagree with it.
DOC is supposed to manage the land on behalf of the public, and going off a 1120 statistical sample it seems 98% of the public are anti-vax, sovereign citizens, neo-colonials, right wingers with too much respect for their own opinions like me 🤨🤣
They aren’t going anywhere.
Stay in Auckland mate.
@iliketurtles4463
For what? Agreeing with destroying a great part of New Zealand’s culture? 🤣
you bring up sum good points i wish you all the BEST taking on a govt agency... Maori been trying to fight for those same equal rights too, maybe you will do better if you tackle the colonisers beast as a british subject coz the monarch gave her ppl rights, benefits and privelleges as a colony of the Commonwealth. As a descendant of those early settlers you would have enough GENERATIONAL EVIDENCE to show AS A BRITISH SUBJECT' you ARE ENJOYING YOUR RIGHTS AND PRIVELLEGE TO WALK OVER THIS LAND AS YOU SEE FIT.... good luck
Thank you!!!
But... The Maori do have equal rights... When The Maori signed the treaty they became British citizens with the same rights and duties as everyone else.
In my opinion the only way for everyone to be equal, is to stop looking at people as two different categories, Maori and Pakeha. Instead, look to the future, and think of everyone as KIWIS, after all, we all live on, and love the same land 🙂
Thank you for watching, taking the time to comment, and for your support!!
I think someone’s finished watching “OUTSIDERS” on STAN. 😢
Too much TV really does influence huh 🤔💭❄️
What's Outsiders on Stan??? 🤣
@@Abel-Harland it’s a TV serious on STAn called “outsiders” about the city folk wanting to MINE the mountain but the mountain people that live up there “are in the way”. Check it out Uncle, it’s pretty intense
Ah gotcha, you were replying to that guy talking nonsense 🤦♂️🤣
Like all Departments, DoC follows the policies of successive governments. High-up DoC public servants would only issue these notices because policy has changed and the Minister of Conservation has instructed so.
The notice presented here (albeit overdue) was issued 19 Dec. 2023 i.e. after the General Election.
Is this is a new policy by our new Government?
If so, is this new Govt. about to award a contract to a private company to build huts to specific standard?
User-pays charges, perhaps?
Or were these notices issued earlier and if so, does any tramper have an example?
(I've used huts in Fiordland and Otago.)
Nah that isn't the case here, According to my DOC inside source, they were ramping up to do this up to 6 months before the election, emailing information and instructions to employees and so on (None of which I have access to because employees were threatened with their jobs if they spoke of it, let alone sent me a copy).
The nutjob DOC boss pushing for it has been talking about doing this for YEARS, he has been known to go screaming at hunters for no good reason on a few occasions. But there have been rumours that the previous government finally set it in motion, which wouldn't surprise me, we all know labour did not like freedom and independent thinking, and these huts are a symbol of exactly that.
I also know DOC received a complaint about these huts, which further pushed them to go forward with this. Here's a little conspiracy theory: Labour got the ball rolling, then after they lost the election, the Nutjob forged the complaint to increase urgency and make sure the plan went ahead quickly before his new superiors noticed, knowing the National government intended to look after backcountry huts (it's in their manifesto).
After the uproar this video has caused, the new Minster of Hunting and Fishing has ordered DOC to stand down for now, however his authority over DOC is limited, so we're trying to get as many people as possible to write to the Minister of conservation, with enough support we could bring about law change! Do you reckon you could give us a hand? 🙂
Anyhow, thanks for watching and taking time to share your thoughts!
Great Mate 😎
Thank you!!
In the late 1980's DoC started doing this in the Fiordland National Park and during that operation they wanted to wipe out anything they didn't believe was natural to the area, including historical huts and landmarks. Wipe out any animal that was not native to the region as they saw it.
On Stewart Island they don't allow locals to take fallen trees for firewood, but they think it is ok for them to go onto private land, feel a tree and cut it up for firewood, without the permission or knowledge of the landowner, and fly it out to their huts.
At this time, they are doing the same as what you are dealing with in the McKenzie country including historical buildings associated with the history of the area.
What next? They do what they like at the stroke of a pen with no way for the people of NZ to have a say on land they "Manage" on all of our behalf.
Yeah same thing here, they want anything "non indigenous" out of the bush, including humans. They've said it straight up a few times.
How can they possibly think that cutting up a fallen over tree is harmful to anything 🤯
People need to stand up and let them know what they are doing is against the public wishes, like what we are doing here.
Thankfully we've caused enough uproar and they have been told to stand down by the minister of conservation himself, it sounds like the new government is going to make some changes here.
Just more control of what the people of NZ can and can't do. Once you could camp any where in NZ. That is slowly going.
Yep.
Although we are trying to put a stop to it by getting as many people as possible to write to the Minister of Hunting and Fishing, but who knows whether or not anything will actually change.
Thanks for watching and for the support!!
Land and minerals are getting in their way…WTF ARE YOU ON ABOUT
Someone needs to have a wee word with this George Taylor.
Believe it or not, the DOC workers already have! They've convinced George Taylor that the huts are doing more good than bad.
The person we really need to worry about is Dan Vanderlubbee, who signed the search and seizure notices, and has the authority to remove them. There's no convincing him.
Luckily the new government has told DOC to stand down for now, I'd love to see Vanderlubbe's face when he heard about that 🤣
Thanks for watching mate!!
DOC uses 1080 which kills everything including protected Native birds and Fauna 🔥 🔥 🔥
Thats right!
Maybe the birds themselves don't eat it, but the insects DO.
If a possum dies 6 months ago of 1080, it still contains enough poison to kill a dog...
And what do birds (including Kiwis) eat again?
It's sad to think that these huts that aren't hurting anyone or anything on public land are being targeted. Here in Australia there is no longer any huts on public land they have by removed and now for many years the powers that be are locking the gates and in a lot of places have destroyed the roads so there is no access to the public land that belongs belongs to the people. There seams to be no logical explanation. Fight for your huts and access to the land . Thanks for the great video good luck . ..don't lock the gate on public land 😢
Yep, sad it is.
I feel for you guys 😥
Logic doesn't apply to these people 😡
Will do! you're welcome, thanks!
Thank you for watching, and taking the time to comment!!!
Sounds like what happened in Te Uruwera, but those were destroyed by arson apparently
Yep, They won't be able to burn them here, the risk of it spreading is too high.
Thanks for watching!!
Te Uruwera is different, DOC are not the issue there, the arson is the local bros locking out Pakeha.
@The Beaker59
I thought DOC was helping them with that? I don't know much about it but I knew radical Maoris were behind it. I think in the end the rest of the Tribe put a stop to it, is that right?
@@Abel-Harland not much more I can say I live on the fringe and hunt in there. Well not smart to say more shall we say.
@@TheBeaker59 ah 😂, no worries!
How dare you have a camping area for free.
-every government ever past, and present.
Yep 😂
Unless of course you're staying on a freedom camping carpark that we spent $200K in taxpayer money to make. (True story just down the road from me) 🤦♂️
Thanks for watching!!
Good stuff guys
Thanks Kristy!
As a truck driver i know how much poison goes over to western BOP i used to drop off 10 pallets per month, sad really.
Yeah sad alright. We dump a n*azi developed poison all over our native bush and call it "conservation".
Thanks for watching!!
Same thing has been going on for over 40 years in Pureora. Rains day after day, and without a dry hut to shelter in, life becomes miserable. Make the clowns who post those notices spend a fortnight in a wet cold forest in mid-winter, then, if they haven't died from exposure, as them if they enjoyed their experience. They are office poofters.
I feel for you man 😥
Maybe that should be a required test for all DOC officers 😂, it would solve most of our problems for sure!
Thats right.
We're currently trying to get as many people as possible to write to the new Minister of Hunting and Fishing, to hopefully put a permanent stop to this!
Thanks for watching!!
@@Abel-Harland Good luck with that. When DOC huts are getting burned down in the Ureweras, by the tangy 2 fenua, I don't expect a good answer.
I trapped and hunter full time in the 1980's, for 9 years. Never used a helicopter or airplane. Had my share of getting cold, wet, and hungry. A freezing southerly wind in the area that you are featuring will kill you pretty quickly. Need those shelters and dry firewood.
Thanks!
We have a new government now, and we've already had some luck on other issues with Todd Mclay. So I'm optimistic.
I don't see any hate comments coming from people with your experience 🤣
I'm a money driven government bureaucratic idiot aka DOC management I dogmatically follow company policy without once engaging my pea brain because I justify my stupidity with my salary. I am completely devoid of critical thinking, logic & reason. Clip the ticket tick the box money in my bank
Sounds familiar 🤣
Thanks for the laugh, and as always thanks for watching!!!
Absolutely.these huts save lives . Get lost doc
Exactly!!!
There are multiple accounts where these huts have been invaluable in search and rescue operations.
There are so many practical and emotional reasons to leave the huts alone, and basically no downsides.
The Local DOC management needs to get that in their thick sculls!
Thanks for watching!!
This video just received it’s 64th dislike.
I am blown away by the positive reaction to this video! Thank you all so much!!!
But I am appalled that sixty four people, who watched this video, agree with removing the Huts that have brought so much joy to New Zealanders over the years.
Can the people who disliked this video please explain what the rest of us are missing.
Maybe they have fat fingers, blind and not noticed and I’m talking about their cause of reaction 👍🏽
@@kalee-dawncoster4840 Yeah I hope so 🤦♂
Dont worry about it ,you can never please everybody, you have alot more likes , shows the dislikes are a minority,
Its a cool vid👍
@@nzmeateater Yeah you're completely right.
I wanted to know their point of view so I further tear apart their reasoning in the next video, but from some of the comments I got, most of them are just whining city people who hate hunters for no good reason, with this one idiot referring to us as "whining entitled fools" 🤦♂
Thank you!!!
@@nzmeateater Oh, and this is a bit of information I think you should have, DOC have confirmed that the Tongariro forest is just the start, afterwards they are going to shift their aim to every privately built hut in the country.
If you want to make your own video about it or anything, let me know and I'll send you all the information I have, Doc is trying to keep it quiet so you won't find much online.
Do hunters actually help control. Stots, rats and possums? Where does someone stand using someone's "private" hut if the owner turns up and it's in use? Surely the owner would expect they have rights to use it. On the other hand it does seem like a waste of doc funds!
Yes, The Hunters make a huge difference, not so much to the animals you listed, but deer seem to be DOC's main target in this area.
They may be privately built, but they aren't private at all!
Most have a hut rules sign and a visitor book, the original builders are always welcoming, and since it's public land they understand that it's first in first served, so they would just stay in a different hut 🤷🏼♂️ (although its very unusual for that to happen)
Thanks for watching!!
@@Abel-Harland mint
Lets be honest some of them are an eyesore
Some, Yes.
Most, No.
As I said in the video I have nothing against them pulling out the tarp huts with beer cans scattered around, those don't belong to hunters anyway.
If you ask me the track itself is an eyesore. If you want to go somewhere with no ugly man made stuff, there are plenty of areas without tracks.
I remember back in the day, 50S.. 60s, my Uncle a deer hunter in Mount Cook and other traversed tracks saying how these huts had saved hunters lives..many times...
DOC...now in control ...with no real knowledge
Yep
These DOC higher ups need to be dragged out of their offices and told to sleep under a log for a few nights during the middle of winter 🤣
We're currently trying to get as many people as possible to write to the new Minister of Hunting and Fishing, to hopefully put a permanent stop to this!
Thanks for watching!!
New Zealand has a Debt and the people who Own the debt want all out Land and minerals and frankly pesky hunters and walkers are Seriously getting in the way.
Walkers hunters and the Fit are needed in the New, New Zealand's Wars ... you need to stop thinking about our beautiful country and start thinking about how to stop this war
Removal of these much needed huts for people who might need them in a survival situation can be deadly difference of living and death if they do this they will be seeing fatalities because of this
Yep that's right.
Thanks for watching!!
Its disgusting 🛖
You are completely right! I totally agree.
TH-cam would probably take the video down if I said that though 🤦♂️
Thanks for watching!
Good work on the vid BTW. In the urueras a bunch of people set up huts for drinking and spotlighting. Resulted in another party of hunters getting shot and killed in December. Google it. In that case they were mullets but the hut became a base for getting wasted not saving lives in an emergency. Horomunga.
Thank you!
Honestly, I've been expecting something like that from the 10 man hut, that's where all the idiots and dopeheads stay, because it's signposted and fairly easy to access.
We're currently trying to get as many people as possible to write to the new Minister of Hunting and Fishing, to hopefully put a permanent stop to huge waste of money.
This is sad and I knew nothing about this until this video! This is self help and mutual aid, something that people naturally do but bureaucracy is uncomfortable with because it just makes bureaucracy a common play in a game of equals. Someone might try proposing that people or groups, like Rotary or Kiwanis, “adopt” huts and maintain them. Or people could form clubs. It could be a way forward.
Glad to hear I was a help! They were trying to keep it quiet, to the point where employees could lose their jobs if they spoke to anyone about it.
Thats exactly right.
There's a group known as "The Carers of Tongariro" who have been trying to achieve this for years, unsuccessfully. DOC says they are open to discussion, but when it comes to the crunch they are unwilling to listen to anything but their own opinions.
Currently we're trying to get as many people as possible to write to the new Minister of Hunting and Fishing, with a bit of luck, and enough support we'll get a law change!
Thanks for watching!!!
Bro, whilst I agree largely with your opinion.
The FACT remains, that unregulated and unrestricted hut building would see every man and his dog buildong multiple huts all throughout our bush and high country...
It wouldn't take long before its ruined.
There needs to be a line in the sand somewhere to protect the environment from us.
I get it people whose huts have been there a while might be upset, but most of them were never meant to be there to begin with.
I don't like all the rules either, but they are there for a reason and our national parks work better to achieve their goals with them.
You can't treat public land like you own it plain and simple. You and your buddys want to build huts, do the right application process or buy some land...
Not according to your other comments. How did you regress from this, a respectful and constructive outlook, to referring to me as a "naive muppet", anyway thats beside the point.
I disagree, I think it would take way longer than you think, for the past 20 odd years DOC has largely ignored the huts, and there aren't that many more. The reason for this, hunters will generally stick to one area that they know, if there's already a hut nearby, they'll stay in that, if not, and they do ALOT of hunting, they'll build a hut. Its a last resort.
Yes I agree that there needs to be a line in the sand, and I agree with pulling down the messy ones. I get fixing a problem before it becomes a problem, but in this case the "problem" is currently doing way more GOOD than harm.
I mostly agree with that, but they aren't all for a good reason, many of these laws are made by people who have never been in the bush, and sometimes academic knowledge is no replacement for experience.
We don't treat public land like we own it, if we did nobody would be allowed in a hut that someone else built, but that isn't the case, almost every hut has a visitor book.
The problem is, we want to enjoy the outdoors, and hunt the "pests" that would otherwise have to be killed by 1080. But to do that we need some form of accomodation, and one 10 man hut is not even close to enough. DOC is supposed to manage it on behalf of the public with emphasis on locals and regular visitors, however DOC themselves have admitted they don't have the funding to build and maintain any more huts, so we take things into our own hands.
We don't "want" to build huts, we want to go hunting and enjoy the bush! The application process is a guaranteed refusal, DOC can't agree to other people building huts. Buying some land to go hunting is unrealistic and you know it. So long as the hut is well made, tidy, and public, there shouldn't be a problem. It saves DOC the work.
Woke dockheads should be reported, put on notice and sued for health and safety breaches and deaths resulting from the hut removal under the health and safety act as the huts are to mitigate potential deaths and save lives for anyone getting caught in bad weather. and unplanned circumstances. Most experienced trampers and hunters are not 2 year olds requiring over-coddling and wet nursing by the nanny state although a wet nurse on a cold night might be nice. (while they are looking at innovative ways to screw with things
Can argue with that!
Thanks for watching mate!!!
The Department of Conservation should be renamed the Department od Destruction.
True that!!!
Thanks for watching mate!!
Im no hunter, but with trail condititions like that theyre literally putting lives at risk. Especially like you said and some one does get injured. Total rats man, as I im not a hiker/tramper but if huts are so far and few inbetween it would definitely deturr people.
Cheers for passing this message man, as some of those huts look like a haven. Ive had cousins make huts with tarps and a potbelly in the past, and they were homey az.
All the best man.
Exactly!! It's common sense, ya don't need to be a hunter to understand why they shouldn't remove them 🤷🏼♂️.
Shows the lack of intelligence in government departments, Scary really. Thankfully it looks like the new government is on our side with this.
You're most welcome! Glad I could help. Yup there's something special about staying in a hut up the bush 😂
We're trying to get as many people as possible to write to the Minister of conservation, to hopefully bring about a law change and put a permanent stop to this! Do you reckon you could give us a hand? 🙂
Thanks for watching and for the support mate!!!
For a cause, for people of regular and new to continue outdoor experiences. When I get a chance in the next few days, for sure@arland.
The Saying goes "What is a life worth." Hopefully not worth more than a building inspectors ego, as I cannot imagine anyone using these huts in a negative way. As well as the fact that do they expect someone to make a controlled fire in native bush, impossible in a fire ban.
Wish the best of luck, this will garner the attention of some of the hardiest men no doubts. Paper would hit harder though, most certainly.
Amazing thank you!!!
Agreed.
All the best and thanks again!!
Wondering if you ever took soil samples to analyse its toxic content ? Send the results to your NZ environmental department . I must say a quick look around these huts seem to be very clean , hats off to all the users of the tese huts .
Nah I haven't, I normally leave that sort of thing to DOC 🤣
Yes they are very clean, the people who build them take great care to take all their rubbish out with them 😁.
Thanks for watching and for the support!!
These hats look like they've been there for years .What the hell is up with Doc Leave the bloody hut's alone.
Yep many have. You can say that again 🤦♂️, luckily this message is really resonating with Kiwi’s, so I don’t think they will be able to continue with this backlash 😃
Thanks for watching!!!
The happy memories are what they want to prevent. Plus they're terrified if anyone that doesn't rely on the government and businesses they license for their survival.
Australia is the same.