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Why Isn't New Zealand a Part of Australia? (Short Animated Documentary)
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- It might seem odd to ask why New Zealand is an independent nation but in the late nineteenth century, its inclusion in Australia was seen as a certainty. Yet, as you'll know, it never joined the Commonwealth of Australia. But why? To find out watch this short and simple animated documentary.
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Sources:
A Concise History of Australia by Stuart Macintyre.
A Concise History of New Zealand by Philippa Mein Smith.
Breed, culture, and economy: The New Zealand frozen meat trade, 1880-1914 by Rebecca J. H. Woods
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Hi all, I re-uploaded because there was a graphical issue. It's on TH-cam's end and there's nothing I can do about it. Sorry about all of this.
Don’t be, if anything I’m impressed on how fast you noticed the problem, fixed said problem, and re-uploaded. Shows attention to detail.
No worries
2:09
Yeah, thanks for fixing it!
More like a nice visual effects than an issue for me
It's great how you are so dedicated! Unfortunately for me there is still a graphics issue. Not sure if it is just me though.
Calling Western Australia "the other one" demonstrates a keen understanding of Australian culture
But butchering "pakeha" demonstrates the opposite of NZ culture.
@@polarbear128 Nonsense - he knows how touchy Pakeha are. Very funny.
"Australian culture".
Riiiiight. We have one of those?
@@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S. you have a fair point
TheLongDark we have steve irwin and alcoholism thats close enough
And for any one wondering, Fiji also decided against federalisation and worked real hard to stand on their own as a separate economy. Becoming independent in 1970.
True, especially when we also wanted the British to stay and remain under their rule at one point that time but the British themselves that same year was more adamant on giving Fiji self-rule like the rest of other colonies.
@Hernando Malinche To be fair we were very broke after WWII (damn Americans), and a lot of authoritarian or unstable countries today can be attributed to overly rapid decolonisation (which is nicely biting the Americans in the arse to this day). Most places we decolonised slowly are stable and democratic, because that culture takes a generation to develop.
@@Roytulin what’d we do?
@@natebox4550 We decolonised too quickly after WWII, left behind power vacuums and unstable/inexperienced institutions and systems in most former colonies, which led to a lot of authoritarian regimes and civil wars, a lot of them still there today.
The fact that colonisation was bad did not mean the best solution was to pull out immediately, but we were strapped for resources and forced out because the Americans wanted the British Empire gone quickly so they could replace us as the global hegemon.
@@Roytulin well by the point of ww2s end we already were the global hegemon. By a pretty big margine, also y’all still could of done it better, alongside drawing better maps especially in the Middle East, you British and French completely fucked the Middle East over. Alongside what you did in Africa, which wasn’t done in any cultural or religious way. You can’t blame that entirely on America. At all, the uk, did a horrid job at decolonizing.
As a New Zealander, I have never heard that joining up with Australia was an option. All our history and politics classes make out that, whilst part of a community (the Commonwealth), we were pretty happy on our own.
wasnt new zealand governed by NSW until 1841?
@@PINEx2 From what I can tell, NSW had legal jurisdiction over New Zealand (or at least British subjects within parts of New Zealand and elsewhere) but didn't take much interest in it. The low involvement seems to have not only impacted the Maori, who petitioned the king to send some real representation, but also our education system which doesn't really mention it. Either that, or its so inconsequential a detail that I'd forgotten it.
I just wanted to challenge some of the sentiment in this video that the option was ever that meaningful or has had much effect on our culture.
@@PINEx2 yes
@@PINEx2Yeah we were.
*Back in 1841* A long time ago now. Long before there ever was an Australia. So… …thus irrelevant.
@@PINEx2Australia wasn’t a country until 1901 so…
"New Zealand, alongside being the current reigning champion of places that people forget to put on maps.."
What an entrance, deserves the subscription.
New Zealand: "There're only two things I can't stand in this world: racism, and the Chinese."
Lmao
Wdym
@@johansen4783 You watched the video, I hope.
as a maori person, the fact you think Aotearoa doesnt have racism is ridiculous. This is a white washed colonised perspective.
No that ain't true
I really love the pronunciation of Western Australia as 'The other one'.
Lmao I was so heart broken
I’m in WA and this hurts
It sucks but its true haha
Wait Awhile
Tis true tho
How could there be no mention of Richard "King Dick" Seddon, New Zealand's Premier at the time Australia was formed? His ambitious expectation that under his leadership New Zealand could grow powerful enough to be the dominant force in the South Pacific was a major reason he rejected the offer to join the Australian federation.
King Dick was quite popular in Aust.
In Rugby is where that played out.
Right decision for the wrong reasons.
NZ will be the dominant force in the Pacific when Māori are back in charge. As the biggest and most populous archipelago in Polynesia, self-sufficient and some, a developed first world economy; NZ should be doing more for our Pacific island brothers and sisters
@@uggali Get real hahaha
As a New Zealander I would not like New Zealand to be part of Australia, I am proud of who I am as a New Zealander, however I will always see Australia as brothers
As an Australian I feel completely the same way. We preference buying Made in New Zealand products, admire your treaty (and occasionally politicians) and our most commemorated day (ANZAC) literally has New Zealand in the title. Respect to your beautiful country and people.
Sounds like you should become one country
As an Australian, hurry up and join the union
Racist
SAME WE NEED INDEPENDENCE CURSE YOU BRITAIN WE WANT OUR OWN COUNTRY!
Any country with a small population: exists
History matters: why tf is this a thing
If that's the case, he should totally do one on Wales. Literally just a relic of celtic britain.
Morever why didn't Kelly Moneymaker and Sky Chappelle didn't bribed the English parliament to take it up!
San Marino...
Venmis well Wales is still part of Great Britain
Hello San Marino!
The main reason Australia & New Zealand aren't one county is because they can't resolve a long standing dispute over who invented the Pavlova cake
.....or who has the right to claim Split Enz and Crowded House........
And Ugg boots...
Original Tanner TM
Ozi, Ozi, Ozi.... Oi, Oi, Oi..... (What's to resolve??....lolol)
What about Russell Crowe.....???? OK... Sam Neill lives in NZ....!
NZ hits waay above its weight...!!!
This is the most historically accurate comment hahaha
Idek why when the answer is obviously NZ
As an Australian, I feel that both Australia and New Zealand both greatly benefit from being separate sovereign independent nations. There are many reasons for this. While there has historically been some state based parochialism in states like Western Australia (which has a fair claim to separatism given the distance from Southwest Western Australia to any other major population centre or capital) and Queensland (Sir Joh), even the extremities of the Australian mainland and Tasmania still have the "same" geology, biogeography (eg kangaroos, eucalyptus) and related Aboriginal people, not to mention the shared modern colonial and Federation history.
Perhaps there is an argument for a new clause in the Constitution granting Western Australia greater autonomy. But it would have to be carefully constructed Pareto Optimally.
But New Zealand is actually a part of a different continent (Zealandia) hence with a different geology and biogeography; its Indigenous people are completely unrelated; and its colonial and post colonial history, while similar, are distinct.
Plus as culturally predominantly European nations, being far away from Europe, we keep each other company and being independent from each other, we can do things our own way without being dependent on the approval of the other, so we can look across the ditch and see what the other has done and decided if that innovation has inspired us or not.
I guess your argument for NZ being a country independent of Australia has merit. WA not so much.
Yes and no. They have discovered parts of Tasmania are from a different continent as well. That being an area of the super continent that pairs with Arizona in the US. Geologists have proved it.
The day Western Australia splits from the rest of us will be the end of West Australia if you think the rest of Australia would be ok with having a separate nation run by the Chinese! you are all playing with yourselves.
@@EchoBravo370 Rodinia existed about a billion years ago, there have been various super continents over the history of the earth with different combinations of modern day continents. Tasmania is now part of the Australian continental plate though.
Western Australia specifically send me targeted ads to solicit me to be a doctor there rather than Sydney 😂
Kia ora e hoa! Loved this video and learned a lot, am indigenous Maori myself. For future reference, pronounciation of "pakeha" isn't "pah-kay-ha", its more like "paa-keh-ha". Emphasis is on the pAkeha not the pakEha. Hope that makes sense! Its also "why-tongue-ee" for 'waitangi'.
Nga mihi nui kia koe!
The pronunciation sure cracked me up too - good correction
Maori has become such an intrinsic part of NZ identity over the years in such a fundamental way that it's hard to imagine NZ merging with Aussie. Also, something unappreciated is the completely different nature of NZ flora and fauna vs Australia. Australia is famous for venemous creatures of all kinds, and for its harsh environment away from the coasts and for weird marsupials. NZ, by comparison, has only one venemous creature (not including politicians), a somewhat shy spider, and is in many other respects literally the land of milk and honey. Oh, also, *no* native mammals - only birds.
The common cultural origins of the two settler groups hides the fact that in many fundamental ways they're pretty dissimilar countries.
@@cv990a4 Idk, I'd call them very similar, in many, many ways. Differences in topography, flora/fauna and some cultural differences mostly by fully incorporating their Maori are large differences. This is why I'd rather seen an Australia-New Zealand Union vs NZ becoming just another state.
@@ElusiveTy NZ and OZ are similar enough that if Putin was an Australian politician, he'd have invaded NZ by now - the cultural similarities are far greater between NZ and OZ than they are between Russia and Ukraine (NZ doesn't speak a different language from OZ with a not-entirely-overlapping alphabet, as one example).
But that just demonstrates how crazy is Putin's project in Ukraine, because Kiwis have zero interest in being Aussies and Aussies have zero interest in incorporating NZ.
@@cv990a4 nz actually has native mammals, three (i think) species of bats and marine mammals like hectors dolphin and nz sea lions
"Whilst New South Wales, Tasmania, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia and the other one" ~ History Matters 2020
1:13 🤣🤣
Epic trolling
"the other one" = the richest state per capita, thanks to the absurd abundance of minerals
sick burn
Remember the good ol days when after James Byzanet we had Party Boyko
What happened to them?
Finally someone else remembers Party Boyko!
@@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 Probably had to stop paying for personal reasons, but your guess is as good as mine
*James Bissonette
Glad I'm not the only one who remembers Party Boyko
As an Aussie I want to say we love New Zealand and part of that love is letting us be each other, not just one.
And also we invented the pavlova and not them
@@thepotatoportal69 NO WE DID ITS TRADITIONAL
@@foreheadisshot7464 nu uh
@@thepotatoportal69idk what a pavlova is but as a matter of principle I'm going to say it was an Aussie invention, as was the question mark.
I'm pretty sure Canberra's the capital of Australia because they told Sydney and Melbourne to figure out which one should be the capital, Sydney and Melbourne both said "Me!" at the same time and then bickered over it until Australia finally went "Right! That's it! Neither of you get to be capital!"
True.
Yup basically picked a spot in the middle lol
@@joelhungerford8388 the spot being in the middle is no accident.
@@joelhungerford8388Same thing happened in the USA.
the half-closed "tired of your shit" eyes on the characters never fails to amuse me
Lol, for me it's when they lean into someone else's space with the intention that soon their shit will become my shit.
@@The_Greedy_Orphan I love both of them, The lean in guys with the sign "Soon" is always amusing.
I love when they run through a field when they're happy
ZB or on fire!
I'm holding up a sign that says "Soon..."
i like how the colony of "south australia" literally goes coast to coast on a perfect north-south axis
Once upon a time, it did.
Yeah not so much anymore. It got cut in half and the Northern territory was born while South Australia kept the south funnily enough.
The part that is now the Northern Territory used to be called "the northern territory of South Australia" because they knew that it just had to be said.
Actually what is now the NT was administered by the NSW government.
@@Dave_Sisson You obviously did not read what I wrote.
Clown.
I like how you get straight to the explanation without filler!
0:18 - a better Canadian comparison would be Newfoundland, they were independent same as New Zealand for decades before eventually joining Canada in 1949.
New Zealand: "well join if you stop being racist"
Australia: "alright sounds good"
New Zealand: "actually you got quite a bit of Asians soooo...well pass"
@Luís Andrade Racist hypocrite.
@Luís Andrade who? The white people who'd been in NZ for less than 100 years at that point. Lol. They wanted to keep Chinese out, who'd also been in NZ at least 50 years since the gold rush. Whatever.
Sounds like NZ has a point to me :-))
Shut up we have asians from the gold rush.
@@ultimate_goomba3451 Im kiwi but Aussies aren't racist towards us it's fun and games.
"Kindness-to-the-people-already-living-there" o'meter was the best, still can't stop laughing.
Comparatively
Ahh, if only it wasn't a laughing matter. I do like that he (HistoryMatters) shone a light on this though, that was cool.
@@danielharvison7510 I bought a house on Napier Hill. My husband was positive it was haunted. He brought someone in (when I wasn't there) and had the house 'exorcised'. The 'holy person' told him that our house was on an old war field and the Maori were not allowed to collect their dead, so they were not at rest. I wasn't scared until I heard that.
@@WakaWaka2468 your easily unentertained
It would be nice if someone, anywhere, could get that meter I to the yellow. Even for a little bit.
In 1901 the only way to travel from the east coast of Australia to Western Australia was by sea as no road or railway existed and there were no airships in Australia. the Trans Australian Railway was opened in 1916, the first commercial aircraft flights took place in the 1930's and the road was constructed during World War 2. The sea distance from Sydney to Perth, via Melbourne, was more than twice the distance from Sydney to Wellington NZ direct.
Thanks for posting!
Jesus... from Morocco to the UK?, the map really gives high illusions when it comes to sizes and distance.
Pff, no, even the distance between Tasmania and Victoria is greater than that of Morocco and GB/Gibraltar.
Also hi Bondi from Cresium Mapping server.
It's more apparent if you look at the region on a globe instead of a flat map, Mercator projection is pretty notorious for distorting the size of... just about everything.
@@MustraOrdo Hey, who is this?
Moscow to London is closer than NZ to Sydney/Melbourne
As an Australian I used to be able to fly to New Zealand in less time than I could fly to Perth. Of course with border lockdown I can no longer fly to either.
Canada: **nervous laughter**
I suppose it’s a tad like if Newfoundland was still independent
I don't get it :(
@@qfox16789 Ya as a Canadian myself I don't know why he used Quebec as a example. Lower Canada (as Quebec was called) was always a founding Province during Confederation. Newfoundland is a more analogous example.
@@qfox16789 Yeah Newfoundland was really late to join the confederation but the door was always left open to them, maybe if New Zealand economy tanks due to a collapse of industry like Newfoundland did they may join Australia but doubtful.
I kinda wanna hear more about why Germany was eyeing up Australia, what were their goals?
@@Dommy521 Quebec did not happily or easily become part of Canada, and it's still a very fresh issue today. Most recently, Quebec almost broke away from Canada in 1995, and most Canadians, particularly the English-speaking majority, would very much not like to go back to the era of mailbox bombs and high constitutional drama over the future of our country.
Fun fact: Page 6 of the Australian Constitution defines New Zealand as one of the States
That was so if New Zealand wanted to join there wouldnt have to be a referendum to allow it.
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
Because Australia's rulers (the Emus) and New Zealand rulers (the kiwis) have had centuries of unresolved conflict
We used to have moa’s and hast eagles but they all extinct now
did you know emus and kiwis are VERY VERY DISTANTLY RELATED because some birds came to New Zealand before the countries broke apart millions of years ago
@@hEiDi-ju7ru A narcissism of minor differences - as Freud said.
Exactly. Also, New Zealand was part of the glorious Kramer Empire and the Newzelanders knows Kramerians and Australians are eternal enemies ;)
Fun fact: three kiwis conformed the Kramer Senate in 1692, the were in charge of 'Bird Issues'.
I'm still waiting on an emu wars movie (because the humans lost to the emus), & I want 1 character to speak in such heavy slang that they seem incomprehensible
NZ: "Keep the Chinese out, the Brits in and the Natives... not quite as down as the Aussies would like".
Nice NATO reference.
And now we're trying to keep the Chinese for less racist reasons. How things change.
@@SimonNZ6969 : Not really. What annoyed a lot of white New Zealanders, besides the usual good old racist fever dreams common before WW1, was the tendency of the Chinese to work too damn hard then skedaddle back to China with the gold - or at least send their coffined corpses back by sea. But several thousand families stayed, found a place, and became well-accepted citizens by the second world war. Come the sixties and seventies, they became more and more influential, if only because they ran some quite important commercial enterprises.
Sure as hell didn’t do a good job of that I live in Auckland and they reckon white Europeans are gonna become a minority due to all the Asian immigrants soon
@@homoerectus3355 : Who's this "they"? Even before Covid cut immigration off at the knees, last I looked the Maori were projected to do that first, sometime around 2080 - and intermarriage means everyone will be coffee-coloured anyway.
Thank you for that very interesting background video🙏🏻
The REAL main reason that NZ did not unite with the Australian States is the problem of distance: while telegraph communications were a reality at the time of Federation on the Australian mainland communication with the two islands of NZ would not be easy and depended on ships and good weather. These limitations no longer exist but both Australians and New Zealanders are content with the status quo. We still enjoy each other's company and come to each other's aid when needed.
There are three reasons why some in Australia opposed it: 1. The Maori and their treaty stood a good chance of leading the Australian aborigine's to organize and demand an equivalent treaty. While the Australian Founding Fathers were OK with this, some were opposed in the state parliaments. 2. There was a debate in both countries about whether New Zealand would be one state or two. North and south islands. This was heavily favored by the south islanders. It terrified Wellington and Auckland. It also was opposed by some in Australia as it would mean 8 states not 7. The problem was the even number tie problems in state votes and Senators were not elected early on so a tie mattered. The 3rd problem was the Irish. New Zealand's Irish was from a different era in Irish history. The were monarchist, conservatives with many protestants. Australian Irish were often republican, labor supporters and Roman Catholics. The two groups were politically powerful but culturally rivals.
very interesting
that and at the time Australia was very Anti-Chinese bc of the gold rush which is why Melbourne exists and also Blackbirding was happening in QLD so, Australia was pretty racist and the White Australia ideology was existent.
Started strong, finished weak as fuck
@@paintingdreams290 And both white australia and backbirding were Labor party policies.
My Kiwi maternal grandmother has an Orangeman in her ancestry (Orangemen = protestant northern Irish, sworn enemies of the Catholics - their descendants in Northern Ireland still march and generally are dicks to those in Catholic neighborhoods). We all have our crosses to bear, so to speak.
I, as an Aussie, ask myself this every morning.
"the distance between them is the same as between Britain and Morocco"
As a european, this solved any questions I had about this
@@toreq1127 yes, but doesn't that also mean that the distance is about the same as the distance between Britain and Gibraltar?
@Master Yoda We emancipated ourselves from our dear british parents. So dear parents, you can't tell us what to do anymore!!! Come down here and make us go in the corner! :P Sibling rivalry FTW. We shall prevail over our NZ brethren!! muahaha.
@@kristoferalexander7559 Both at home and away, everyone needs good neighbours.
The Colonial prowess of your English forebears is strong in you my friend
May not be one country, but we are as close as siblings.
We have the bigger country, they have the better one.
We beat them at cricket (sometimes), they beat us at rugby (constantly).
We have Rusty Crowe, Sam Neil and Crowded House, they gave us Rusty, Sam and Crowded House.
And in the end, we are only separated... by a ditch. :)
The racial issues, though real, are overblown and weren’t really the main factors. Indeed the Australian Constitution actually deferred these matters to the respective states, so Waitangi was never really in play as New Zealand would be able to determine its own laws in that regard and the Commonwealth would have had to accept them (including for political representation). No, it didn’t happen because of distance and the reliance of New Zealand on trade with Britain, while there was more trade interdependence amongst the Australian colonies. That and the NZ Premier, “King Dick” (I forget his full name) wanted to be Prime Minister of a country in his own right. So, in all a mixture of it being financially better to stay a colony of the UK and personalities that scuppered what would have been a very neat Federation for all involved. PS NZ is basically one market with Australia now anyway so perhaps it gets the best of both worlds 😊
New Zealand felt Australia didn’t have a good enough rugby team.
Pretty sure the Kangaroos thrash the Kiwis on most occasions.
What about a cricket match?
@@scottwilliam6141 Nope. New Zealanders are the greatest rugby players in the world.
@@scottwilliam6141 lol... do you know anything about rugby ? ..
@@wilhelmbittrich88 They are indeed...best on the planet, BUT Brad's statement is absolutely correct given the teams stated play Rugby League.
Australia 🇦🇺: Hey New Zealand how would you feel about being one of the states of Australia?
New Zealand 🇳🇿: How would you feel being our West Island instead?
Yes please. Time for a referendum!
Pretty good idea actually
YUCK NO ! I cant be wearing yella shirts and can only bowl over arm🙈
@@geebutts2835 lol.. Imagine the new Haka ....KA MATE! KA MATE! OI OI OI
*Main Island.
These are great and you're hilarious. Happy algorithming.
Love your channel.
Progressive New Zealand: We’re not joining unless the Maori are equal
*Get’s what they asked for*
Also New Zealand: RIGHT we’re not joining we don’t want the Chinese coming
Now New Zealand has a crap ton of Chinese people so they're left with no excuse xd
@@brandonvestra Except for the fact these days they also have no reason to join xD
While this is somewhat random and not really a serious issue dealing with race this isn’t the last time New Zealand did something like that.
New Zealand: We ban Power rangers from being aired on our tv to protect our children from violence.
Also New Zealand: Oh yeah Sure Saban/Disney/Nickelodeon/Hasbro (PR went through a lot of owners) you can film your show here and use New Zealand actors for Power rangers.
@@brandonlyon730 I can see how NZ is doing so well given that the power rangers is the most controversial thing to happen over there :D
We aren't joining Australia because You Guys are racists!
Also You're Full of Chinese people!
Also you're full of Irish Catholics!
Also many of you are descendants of Convicts and Victorian age science "proved" that criminality is inherited!
So Basically you're not pure-blooded Free Britons like Fair New Zealand!
And we also want to, like, rule over all of the British Pacific Islands and build a mini-empire!
Also Britain is our sugar-daddy and will never abandon us to join a European trading bloc and crash our economy, so we don't need you!
Australia 🇦🇺 “Do you want to be part of us?”
New Zealand 🇳🇿 *Angry Kiwi Noises*.
But apparently not caring enough to make their flag look differently than theirs... xD
@@lolfunacount to be fair they did proposed changing the flag in 2014
@@joetrump2983 Yeah, but all the alternative flag designs were also trash, so they obviously chose with the trash they knew for centuries instead of new trash
NZ: "No, I don't think I will"
*Angry Māori Dance INTENSIFIES*
I just love these videos!
Very informative
Sincerely, someone from “The other one”
from the city penrith? idk
@@thepooplord592 yeah fuck it penrith sure, and the town of albania and copenhagen
"the current reigning champion of places people forget to put on maps".
😂
Silver: Antarctica
Bronze: Canada's arctic archipelago
@bobo It's a fun quote.
@bobo Usually a like is an expression of agreement to the comment a person likes, in this case an expression that the person agrees the quote was funny. That the person quoting the quote (in this case me) thinks the quote is funny is expressed by the teary-eyed laughing emoji.
You must be new to the internet.
@bobo I wasn't taking any piss, I was just highlighting a bit in the video I liked. If anything, all glory go to History Matters for including that bit in the video.
If it bothers you that much, lighten up.
@bobo And I'm still not sure why you loathe it so much that I was just highlighting a bit in the video I liked. I was drawing attention to the original bit, which seems to me exactly what you wanted.
Worst pronunciation of Pakeha in the history of language.
Hey, he had a crack (real pronunciation more like "par-que-har", where "que" is said as in Spanish and the other two as in standard British). Video was good. Bravo.
@@alittlebitoflight or you simply google "pakeha" and the translation as well as a sound clip are the first result 🙂
@@DadpoolCosplay sure, although when I googled it the person pronouncing the word was British and the pronunciation was pretty good but not perfect.
That cracked me up!
@Dan Hamilton no idea, I didn't know this was an issue?
It was actually touch and go for Western Australia to join the federation. Later on they had a seccession vote which was not implemented. There are certainly still some in WA who feel that federation was a bad idea for them.
Great content!
New Zealand and Australia are like the twin brothers the Anglo-Sphere family, they are best friends, but they decided move into different houses.
Insulam Archipelago And Ireland is the red headed step child.
@@warrenlehmkuhleii8472 Ireland is Britain's heroin addicted brother
No; if Australia has a twin, it's Canada. New Zealand is a glorified Tasmania.
India is the weird adopted kid and Hong Kong is the rich little brother, who under custody of the divorced mother
GameB Awesome I was going to say Hong Kong is the child that was taken away in family court because the courts tend to side with the biological parents rather then the adopted ones.
NZ: "Give the Maori equal rights!"
Also NZ: "We don't want Chinese flooding our country!"
Seems legit.
Yea it was more like (at the time) we have a very complex relationship with Māori and the only two plans we can come up with are wait for them to die out in the face of our obvious superiority, wait for them to completely amalgamate into our culture due to our obvious superiority. Obviously neither plan worked even with a nice dose of cultural genocide to help plan b along and a huge dose of land theft and erosion of sovereignty to help plan A.
Not gonna lie, they had me in the first half.
It make sense if your Maori. You don't want even more people diluting their power. Which is why I was wondering why the let New Zealand bring in more people of other nations.
You can like one group, and not like another.
You dont have to give people rights if their not there?
that pronunciation of pakeha got me 🤣 so I had to rewind and watch again to get what came after
Ah yes my favourite part of Australia “the other one”
“Which is the same distance between Britain and Morocco”
*Laughs in Gibraltar*
edit: why does everyone correct me or something, just please, get the joke
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Gibraltar allows Britain to control half of the Mideaterrian Ocean.
@@kamanashiskar9203 Britain doesn't even control half the English Channel.
@@EdMcF1 It controls 200 miles of its coastline. Just like how Ireland doesn't control the entire Irish Sea.
@@EdMcF1 Have you ever tried to control a sea ? You there, go the other way waves. These waves obviously don't know I'm British, has anyone got the phrase book ? Est the other way you go waves
NZ: nah we dont want to be part of Australia because of all the racism in the constitution.
also NZ. still, i dont like the look of those there chinese types coming to my land
You don't want to be part of Australia but plenty of new zealanders love to come here to work and earn money here.
@@scottsmad1115 Not sure if you mean me or kiwis. I'm Australian
That exactly the point. NZ didn't want the Chinese migrant to come because they would have to treat them as equal while believing they're not.
The Maori had earned the respect. The chinese had not.
Simple as.
Fair enough. No one likes to lose control over land.
1:10 For an Australian, "The Other One" is such a sweet burn. You are a god!!
I never heard that about the Chinese but in the post gold rush era it would make sense.
The distance issue can not be under-estimated. Remember that there were no planes. At the time, it would have been a real stretch to have very meaningful governance from a capital in Australia.
The main issue was as you pointed out that the Australians simply didn't understand the relationship with the Maori and even after they dropped that clause, the New Zealanders thought that sooner or later the Australians would end up alienating the Maori and this would end up in another civil war in NZ.
(Incidentally the Treaty of Waitangi is still an obstacle to NZ joining the Aus Commonwealth because Maori fear their special status would be diminished).
Another issue was that even in 1900 New Zealand already had an almost open door policy with the Polynesian Islands and joining the Aus Commonwealth would have meant an end to that open door. This worried New Zealand mostly because of a sympathetic attitude towards Polynesians but also because New Zealand's influence in the South Pacific was about soft power.
New Zealand: "We want fair treatment for the Maori."
Me: "How progressive!"
Also New Zealand: "No Chinese, though."
Me: "Oops, never mind."
Are they wrong tho?
The Chinese didn’t have a treaty with them and were willing to revolt
@Luís Filipe Andrade nigga the reform was when China started westernized, discriminating Chinese especially the one who just want to learn knowledge and worked is certainly bothering
The Chinese aren't indigenous.
@@ryhanzfx1641 thanks for not contributing to the casual racism.
"The Champion of being forgotten to be put on maps."
Antarctica : Am I a joke to you ?
I would love to see a behind the scenes making of a video of your channel!
“And the other one”
People not from Aus: “what about western austraila?”
People in Perth: “no, that’s fair”
Gideon Mele
People from rest of Australia: HAHAHA Suck shit WA
Wasn't there a Western Australia independence movement active back in those times??
Western Australia looks like California without the glitz and glamour.
Imagine having covid
-this post was made by WA gang
@That sorta irish guy thanks, yes I remember reading about that. Crazy to think there could have been two states on the 'island' as we're so used to thinking of it as a unit. Though Perth is a hell of a long way from Canberra and co.
Every New Zealander when he mentions us being able to join Aussie whenever: F*ck that
NZ has been Covid free for months now and joining Australia will only reintroduce the virus into the country.
I looked at act 6 of the constitution and I can't see where it says that NZ can join whenever it wants? It just says that the au govt can create new states.
Yeah what's the point of NZ joining Oz when half your population seems to live over here anyway ^_^
@@jacksos101 6. Definitions
The Commonwealth shall mean the Commonwealth of Australia as established under this Act.
The States shall mean such of the colonies of New South Wales, New Zealand, Queensland, Tasmania, Victoria, Western Australia, and South Australia, including the northern territory of South Australia, as for the time being are parts of the Commonwealth, and such colonies or territories as may be admitted into or established by the Commonwealth as States; and each of such parts of the Commonwealth shall be called a State.
New Zealand is literally the second colony listed in section 6.
@Tim Gold Yep. Save on paper work.
Ironically one of the concerns NZ has now, is that if they joined, they would get flooded by retirees from the other states. I have to admit, I'd definitely consider retiring there.
So two things from a New Zealander and someone who studied history.
Pakeha is pronounced pah-key-ha
Another reason to add to the list is that the Prime Minister of New Zealand at the time was also on a little bit of an empire building adventure. He wanted to unite the various pacific islands under New Zealand as a sort of pacific empire. You can still see the remnants of it today as New Zealand still has sovereignty over several pacific nations.
Interesting. Never knew any of this. Thank you.
As a New Zealander I must say,
We and Australia will probably never join.
*Untill they agree that we made the Pavalova*
lol, with Chinese Gooseberries/Kiwifruit on top?
Deb Ideiosepius yep
Ok you agree. Definitely created in Australia . Even the famous Aussie actor Russell Crowe says it was.
@@rayoflight9709 Ha! Just so
Ray Denny Made. In. New Zealand.
Australia: Do you want to join?
New Zealand: No, you're not nice to non-whites.
Australia: Okay, we'll change that. How about now?
New Zealand: No, you've got too many Asian people.
They never changed actually
Ooofff
hahaha had me in stiches bro
Nz First in a nutshell
enforced the society* There! FTFY, it was a whole law - alright?
No point in sugarcoating that, Ms@@liamhackney5045.
I'm an Australian and I'm on the alpine Train in New Zealand to Greymouth. Someone possibly the driver on the PA system described Australia as New Zealand's unruly West Island and that the train was packed with people from that Island , The acceptance and laughter was deafening for several minutes, with West islanders arguing who was the most unruly. Australia is part of New Zealand we just live in a different house
I didnt know that last fact you mentioned, really interesting
As a Pākeha New Zealander, I have never been in more pain watching a video
I can understand .... you guys could have been Australian ! Wow, must hurt to have missed out so badly.
@@bernardm8 bruh it doesn’t mean “us”.
It’s the term used to describe a white New Zealander, in rough translation it originally meant pale man so the Maori could distinguish between them and the Europeans. If you’re from New Zealand you should know that.
Also I have never heard that we could have ended up being Aussie
@@bernardm8 Wrong, just wrong
im also from new zealand.. i feel u
@The Spite Knight Bill of Rights ? LMAO I don't have to tell must Kiwis, because you pricks are living over here on the dole.
"Like how Quebec would obviously be part of Canada"
Quebecoise: "LE NO!"
Me, a Québécois:
*"LE NON!"*, you mean.
@@paireon3419 Thats so french, my phone can't even make those accents without considerable effort!
Me, a Québécois: Yes, please.
Me a "Canadien" whose family has been in Quebec over 200 years..."mais oui." Quebec has twice voted in referenda to remain. The last one was close, but still....I believe most Quebecois are too smart to leave Canada no matter how hard some of the others push.
If they left, they wouldn’t be able to bitch about discrimination against them any more.
The Treaty of Waitangi was pretty far from accepting Māori as "equals", as they were forced under the British crown when they were under the impression they were going to continue to rule their territories, which the British crown took from them.
So, instead of stopping the fighting in New Zealand, it led to a 27-year-long civil war between British and Māori.
This guys: MASSIVE distance between them equal to UK and Morocco
US Residents: So like a couple states over?
It's actually the distance between west coast California and east coast Florida.
Because the Aussies couldn’t handle the sheer power of the Bob Semple tank.
Surprisingly, saying that something bad is good isn’t funny.
Yup, even to this day.
Had nations shitting their pants!
@@Void_Wars What are you talking about? The Bob Semple tank is the perfect example of Kiwi ingenuity!
@Daniel Eyre I think it was a fair trade for Joh Bjelke-Petersen
😐 reported 😐
As a New Zealander, I reckon you should do your next video on why the UK isn't part of the EU 🤣
Or how the UK sent all there cons to australia
Or why the uk couldnt fight there own war
@@e.i.e.i.o Or why the country that helped England win WW2 still can't teach its citizens to spell properly
@Alex Khouri you talking about aussie?😂
@@e.i.e.i.o No - America :P
Everyone knows that's Australia is just the west island of new Zealand
Yay we’re mentioned
In moments it matters Australia and New Zealand can function as one under the ANZAC banner. If anyone ever invaded New Zealand, there would be ship loads of Aussies ready to head over and defend it. And vice versa I'm sure.
Naturally👍🇳🇿
what if Australians invaded and Australians who invaded also had to protect New Zealand through the ANZAC treaty?
@@thatboy6532 presumably kiwis would ask them how their grandmothers felt about this, and shouldn't they be ashamed? Then everybody would agree that beer is awesome, everyone would drop their guns and get into fisticuffs about rugby, then go to the strip club after
@@skippy2987 and then Australia would lose horribly at rugby
Australia wouldn't need a huge number of kiwi's to come over. 12% of all New Zealanders already live in Australia.
"The Mow-ree and the Pa-KAYY-haa".
Oh dear. Oh well. Next time.
To be fair I haven't seen any foreigners pronounce Maori names correctly.
To anyone wondering, Māori words are pronounced very similar to Japanese (same vowel sounds / same rolled "r"s, / macrons signify long vowels), so the correct pronunciation is:
Māori = "mao" (as in chairman Mao, but with a longer "a" sound) + "ri" (as in aRIgato)
Pākehā = "pa" (as in grandPA) + "keh" (as in KEtamine) + "ha" (as in HArd)
I laughed my ass off when he said "Pa Kayy haa". >
@@azbgames6827 To be fair, that pronunciation of Pākehā seemed particularly low effort
It took me a moment there to realise what he was actually saying. And then I snorted. Now we know what the Pākehā pronunciation of Pākehā is!
As a New Zealander, I am glad to live in eastern Australia.
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Love this 🤣
I was very relieved to see that you got it basically right (too many just don't have a clue!) - the overwhelming obstacle to New Zealand becoming a state of Australia was the very profound difference in attitudes toward the indigenous peoples. While Kiwis were working hard to work out how two very different cultures could coexist peacefully and equitably, Aussies were busy with the Tasman Shoot. (Extreme yes, but it's still at the core of the differences.)
Disclosure: I was born and spent most of my life in the American South and hated American Apartheid from the age of five or so. My primary motivation in going to New Zealand was to get as far away from it as possible. (I also investigated Australia but soon realized it was just a different flavor of AA). Many would claim that the difference was mainly due to New Zealand being settled by volunteers. IMHO the real root cause is that the Australian indigenous peoples were too low in population density and especially too unschooled in the art of war while the Maori in New Zealand had a strong tradition of warriors and warfare. The result was that Europeans settling in New Zealand had far more incentive to learn to come to peaceable terms with the indigenous people while the Europeans settling in Australia had such overwhelming technological superiority and, in local concentrations, numerical superiority that they could afford to treat the indigenous peoples with complete contempt, which they certainly did.
Current United States culture is profoundly affected by the manner in which Europeans treated the indigenous peoples when they invaded. Exactly the same applies to New Zealand and Australia. You cannot understand where you are today unless you understand the road you took to get there.
Australia: "SO the door is still open..." New Zealand: "Nope"
@MrFattyfatfatboy So NZ people get paid high in Oz ?
@@guganesan.ilavarasan australian dollar is worth a little more but its a more expensive place to live.
Great video.
Just a few points to explain why NZ didn’t join Australia. NZ history is very different, Australia was set up as a penal colony, NZ wasn’t. Because NZ settlers were free people rather than former convicts, those settling in NZ tended to think of themselves as quite different to Australians.
NZ had a treaty with the Maori tribes and Maori’s were allocated seats within the NZ Parliament in the 1800’s, not the case in Australia. Four Maori seats were established by the 1867 New Zealand Parliament to give Maori a direct say in Parliament.
Australia still had plural voting while NZ had abolished it 1889.
While not a point about federation, in 1893 NZ became the first country in the world to grant all women the right to vote. (Interesting point is that NZ can be considered the longest running full democracy in the world with all races and sexes being able to vote since 1893)
Although the Covid Plandemic has shoved democracy firmly onto the back burner...
Except for the Chinese race.
Women had the right to vote in council elections in South Australia in 1861 but not parliamentary elections.
This is what you sound like to an Australian :
For sure, there were absolutely no free settlers in Australia at the time of federation, they were all 100% convicts and descendants of convicts. or English soldiers.
The free settlers in NZ had such a good time where they come from, one wonders why they "chose" to leave ?
The histories are so much different it's unbelievable to consider them similar.
New Zealanders must have come from the good parts of the British Isles, not like those uncooth Australians from the bad parts of the British Isles, totally different people.
Excellent video. Indeed that clause you mention defines New Zealand as a State of Australia from the get-go.
The Puh-KAY-hæ ? That was the funniest bit.
The real question is why isn't Australia a part of New Zealand? It's rightful Kiwi clay. The Emus work for their Kiwi masters
Why don't you join us Poms and we can restart that British Empir....I mean Common wealth of Nations.
wait i just saw you on Geoff Marshall's video about drawing the Tube map my memory
Why are you everywhere?
I see you everywhere
@@n.k.v.d3533 "Still watching" KGB
As a New Zealander, I'll say this: I doubt we'll join with Australia. Not in my lifetime at least. We so different politically and that physical distance doesn't help things either. NZ tends to lean quite left due to the environment and community effort to support each other, while aussies lean a bit more center-right as they're the main producers of goods within the pacific.
Yeah bro. Culturally similar but different enough that being one country wouldn’t work. Same same but different.
@Kyros - we have a military. It's small but it's there. And NZ has the best special forces in the world.
Also nz is one of the most loved and respected countries in the world. Multiple military's would back us. And the our Maori battalion made the germans scared. Even aussies know not to take them on especially in pack's.
NZ kicked out another country's millitary out of the Pacific without use force.
NZ is fine well protected and very good in a fight.
@@annaleekale2957 That was a great fight you gave the frogs after the Rainbow warrior was sent to the bottom. You really showed em.
More then 12% of New Zealanders live in Australia anyway so lol.
I mean I get it as a West Australian why you wouldn't wonna join.
We been trying to leave since we joined haha, but I also see the good in being part of the whole but also the negative.
@Kyros - 😂😂
Why isn’t Australia part of New Zealand?
The two countries would never agree on the correct pronunciation of "fish and chips".
1:14 "The other one"
That was way funnier than it should have been
I was looking for a comment talking about it
Having endured life in "the other one" for 18 years I wet myself laughing- it played right into their insecurities lol
As a New Zealander why would would we ever be part of Australia. Australia is like a brother to us but we arent the same
Exactly 😌
Similarly, I suppose the fact that New Zealanders hate being called 'Eastern Australia' is part of it. Conversely, Australians hate being called 'Western New Zealand'. One would guess that parochialism exists everywhere.
As an Aussie.. Agreed, I love you guys but friendship is where we thrive! The current system works good to ok and I hope NZ is always an independent but allied country to us.
ikr?
Strongly Agreed
The Bob Semple tank
The way you pronounce Pakeha is hilarious
“Quebec was always going to be part of Canada”
Ssssh, you’ll hurt the separatists feelings
Quebec can leave whenever it wanted too. Just remind them they took a quarter trillion dollars in equalization payments since 1956.
What has Alberta got to do with this?
they deserve it
@Stargeneral410 ''the last time'' lmao If I have heard that a million times through history. It's really not all that hard to develop your own currency, many do this. Quebec frankly doesn't share much cultural similarities to Canada proper to justify staying within the union such as scotland and england. Never say never
Spoken like a true separatist. The only difference left is language. Nothing else
.....BTW, never.
That is the worst pronunciation of pakeha I've ever heard lol
Well he is a foreigner and he's not the first.
Yes, it made me cringe.
Made me spit out my drink. Lol.
He might as well just say Banana and it probably would have 'sounded' more correct.
Legit. Even if you're a foreigner, take the time and have the respect to try pronounce another language correctly.
As a Saffer, this keeps me up at night.
The reading of the list of contributors is always entertaining but it is Most amusing when Mo is the last one mentioned… after a short pause 😀
easy, we live next to each other, we respect each other, we have fought wars together, why destroy a good thing...
ANZACs forever....
C'n oath mate! We really love each other .... unless there is a ball involved.
not untill they admit we invented the pav and lemington
ANZAC republic!!!
@Jeff H true
more like CANZUK
I miss the days the world didn’t know New Zealand was down here
Me too cuz.
I agree too
Yeah, can everyone just leave us and our damn good fish and chips alone
I miss the days when i didn't feel like an immigrant in my own country. R.I.P NZ
@@lukelukelulu lol what ethnicity are you?
As a New Zealander, if anyone asks me this, I ask them why Mexico isn’t part of Venezuela.
As an Australian I’d love New Zealand to join our Commonwealth - it would strengthen all parties and collectively give us a greater voice in the world. But i can see the downsides, and the reality is both countries are able to get many of the upsides via treaties.