Max's duel with Miriya remains one of the most beautiful and brilliantly pieces of animation, two angels of death crossing gun sights, both facing an equal for the first time in their lives. Max's desire to live, was just slightly stronger than Miriya's. While both were expendable pawns in the grand scheme of things, Max had a life outside of the killing to survive for. The Zentradi had been so perfectly bred for war, they couldn't even comprehend an end to the madness.
Max and Miriya's knife duel in the TV series was something I was quite disappointed with, animation-wise. A lot of the TV series was rough in both animation and uneven design, and it took me out of the story from time to time. But THIS fight... I felt in my very soul that they were finally doing these two justice. I could watch these two do their gorgeous dogfight tango all day
Can't stop hating that people saying that Macross Plus has the best dog fight scene. I beg to differ. I love Macross Plus , but it doesn't hold any candle to the fights scenes this Macross Movie has.
@motokoerz3507 eh... just this one, which is also criminally short. Plus has several more of them, of a far more lengthy (and still consistently well animated) manner. So... yes, Plus has better dogfights, objectively. Doesn't mean this one is bad. Just because it's not at the top doesn't mean it's not still great.
No, but it's the best anime during that time period it was released. I got to admit among the Macross franchise I got to say it's my favorite series. It's quite depressing that the aboard the ship vessel Minmay, Hikaru, Misa, and their child disappeared in the year 2016 never to be seen again. It was the first ship to set into space on a mission searching for life forms etc. I do hope they put this issue as a main topic in the new series that's in the process of being created which is called Macross Delta.
Andy Yang I don't know, I think Nausicaa has held up much better than this movie and it came out the same year. This movie seemed to have pretty inconsistent animation, with the good animation going to most of the battles, and the other parts getting the lazy animation.
TV anime is always riding the ragged edge of production schedules. There's a funny story involving the Gamilon enemy race from Space Battleship Yamato during it's initial production run that is startlingly similar to a problem that the Star Trek pilot episode (with Captain Pike) had during it's production. There was a sequence involving an Orion Slave Girl dancer (you know - the archetypical "green skinned babe"). Every time they got the film print of that sequence back from the developer and ran the film, she wound up standard white! So they filmed it again and again, adding darker and darker green body make-up and it STILL kept coming back with the girl looking Caucasian pink-skinned! Finally Roddenberry had enough of this and went to the film developer and asked around. Turned out the people developing the film kept thinking the green girl was a MISTAKE and kept color correcting it! He had to personally sign off a specific instruction that he WANTED GREEN!!! So - the Gamilons - were always meant to be blue skinned. But they were sending the animation instructions for these sequences to a company in Korea they were farming out the animation to. And for the first 10 episodes the Gamilons were white-skinned just like the Earth characters. Similarly - Nishizaki had to actually get the head of the animation company on the line personally and make it VERY CLEAR (I think there was some harsh language involved - but nobody is willing to be so impolite at this late date to say so) that the GAMILONS ARE BLUE. NO - I REALLY REALLY MEAN IT! So they turned blue. Infamously in episode 11. This isn't as noticeable if you're watching the show on a WEEKLY basis and there are no recording machines available. As a viewer, you might have the thought - "weren't they a different color before?" but there was no way to confirm that as fans in the early 70s! But as someone watching Star Blazers on a 5 day a week schedule in the early 80s - and recording it! - it was VERY NOTICABLE INDEED! Just goes to show the HELL an animation production can get into - particularly sci-fi shows. On the OTHER HAND - the remake of Yamato used this particular issue to it's advantage by making all of the more prominent early Gamilon characters (the ones the Yamato only encountered in the Solar System) be of a CLIENT race the Gamilons had previously conquered - thus adding some very intriguing layers of context to the Gamilon Empire! They got to have it BOTH ways - and made it work BETTER in the remake! 😎
I remember reading somewhere that the main reason the creator of Macross made this movie was to show what the animation in the series would've been like if he'd had the time and money, he was never happy with some of the segments of the original Macross show that were outsourced to some of the Korean animators (I'm not knocking Korean animation).
Yea, ive watched documentaries about how the production was a nightmare. Thats why the second saga looks weird and off from tthe original saga. thats because that supposed to be a completely unrelated anime, but they made it as the second saga of the series. Similar to what mario 2 is and how it looks completely different from ther first mario. it was supposed to be a different game.
Yeah, the animation quality in the original series varies wildly between story arcs. The main rule I go for is that if the event is more important, the better animation quality.
Of all the things that thankfully got smooth solid animation and consistency of design, it is this battle right here. With how almost embarrassingly clunky the knife fight between Max and Miriya was animated in the TV series, this battle right here finally gives the iconic duo the justice they deserved. I dare say this battle is even more satisfying to look at than both the opening confrontation (which also involved Max showing off his skill) as well as the final "Do You Remember Love" battle (the one instance I actually appreciated the corresponding TV series segment more than the movie)
The original series and this movie too do paint Max as someone who is just very good at this whole "aerial combat" thing, without making him obnoxious or a mary sue.
One of many rememberable scenes that has never left my head, whenever I hear the name Macross this scene comes to mind, along with Minmay singing Do you remember love, such a timeless master piece this is and looking at this scene, specially when you see both Max and Milia fight it out in the corridors of the ship, it is amazing how it is all beautifully animated, it just looks so gorgeous and captures the intense moment of the two duking it out. Now after seeing this I need to bust out my Blu-Ray and watch it again
No, the reason hand drawn isnt the best... You cant mass produce it...which wastes too much time. The artist can't move onto the next idea fast enough. Creativity becomes limited to the speed of the draw. With technology you can produce and save your style, you can provide tools for subordinates to use in production. You create a legacy/style that can be easily produced by subordinates. Long after the original artist is gone, their style can be traced onto new works. Technology allows an artists 'essence' to remain across multiple projects. Hand draw is a piece of art for history to observe. Technology allows the artist's essence to live in projects created by their peers, audiences will be excited by the artists style long into the future, in other projects. Kind of how rap music appropriated classic Motown hits as samples in new works. I'd love to see this Max and Milia scene 'motion captured' to a 3D animation work with different characters in a different story. I know I would recognize the original artists signature in that work. The same way you recognize the sampled pieces of music in a rap track. The sadest thing I can think of is this fantastic piece of animation work being lost to time. I'm moved by the energy and sentiment in this work. How Max and Milia both met their match in combat, and how the duel became a sort of deadly love play. It's a great work that needs to be preserved. Thank you for posting this. I dont like the Robotech masters version.😁👍
@@vnelson000 3D isn't faster it could be just as good but it's not given the time to polish it up 3D suck's because because those in charge of making it treat it like fast food but saying it inherently is is just wrong in my opinion to me what you are saying is the same as saying goodwork is objectively wortless because it takes to mutch time
I like CGI in anime when its done right but this movie will probably live on in my mind as one of the best cell animated movies ive seen. My mom took me to the theaters to see this as a kid who could barly talk but i remember this well and is what made me love mecha so much lol
Man, she was so relentless in the movie! I love that scene earlier when she's blowing away Zentradi inside the ship where Hikaru and everyone else were being held captive. Wish the movie had explored both races more and introduced other Meltrandi.
the price for condensing a series down to a feature length movie. iirc it was later established that this is in fact a fictionalized recounting of space war 1 in a later series
I disagree, check Miyazaki 's Porco Rosso or Yf-19 vs YF-21 from Macross OVA or Yf-21 vs Ghost X-9 from Macross Plus Movie edition or recent remake from Yamato 2199 or the 'realistic' dogfights in Area 88 Third Act.
cid76 I haven't seen Area 88, but yea the other Macross stuff was great. It's still pretty old though... like 20 years? Porco Rosso isn't exactly sci-fi even though it was awesome :p Yamato 2199... didn't dig the CGI stuff. I think traditional animation looks way better.
This was definitely a legendary dog fight scene in the history of anime, but there are other really awesome ones as well. I think one of my favorites is Gould (YF-21) vs. Isamu (YF-19) in Macross Plus and the very realistic opening dogfight in Macross Zero! Wow.
I still put it a close (VERY close) 2nd to the opening battle, with Fokker's Skull Squadron taking on a swarm of battle pods only to have to rush back and defend the Macross before she makes the most gorgeous transformation scene in franchise history.
Always wanted to know what Max said or did for them to be still enemies coming to terms as Milia is critically wounded and Max being by her side - on board an enemy vessel mind you - and then the next scene you see them, they're together gearing up in their mechs for the final battle - already in love. How did Max not get stepped on by the other Meltrandi? They probably spared him since he bested their ace pilot and had stayed to help her.
Plot holes aside, it was a nice nod/reversal where Milia joined up with Max and flew her red Valkyrie alongside his blue Valkyrie. Seeing a Zentraedi-sized Max flying a Queadluun was cool as hell. The Meltrandi obviously made a few concessions given the circumstances.
Not a single frame of Computer effects/animation of any kind - all acetate cel-painted in the traditional manner - 40 years later - and it STILL looks better than 90% of anime these days!
the attention to detail also, Max transforms with the missile pods attach to the wings so they cant fully retract in Batrroid mode, when he rolls it to dodge the shots when he comes out of the smoke to start shooting the wings are broken.
This is movie boy, try to compare to movie tier animation nowadays. Of course this would exceed most normal anime quality, but so do modern movies compared to 80s and 90s anime lmao
Macross: The Movie is my all-time favorite Anime Film. It is hands down one of the most artistically detailed Japanese animation films ever made. It still looks great 40 years later! This battle scene in the film is one of my favorites - Max is one highly skilled pilot!
Fortunately Tatsunoko who directed Power of the Primes did beautiful gorgeous key animation like this and it shows. The quality and stylistic finesse is top quality.
One thing I have always loved about anime vs American cartoons is the killing off of characters. It makes the show seem more realistic that not everyone lives to fight another day. Its one of the things that I liked about The 80s Transformers the movie as a kid (The killing off of many original characters). Yes, most replacements sucked and post the movie the show lost a lot of what made it popular, but the fact it took place in the future and most originals were not brought back to life made my favorite character (jazz) seem that more special since he never died throughout the series.
well max its a genius, and hikaru was a monster one tier bellow him....poor squad of mirya got demolished like when hikaru was in the frontline fight at space...
He was probably taking part in the bigger battle after they got separated. Hikaru is a good pilot and I have no doubts he has a good chance of surviving battles.
For 80s indeed, if we consider 90s we can include also Macross Plus (OVA and Movie) Gundam 0080, 0083 and Gundam 08th......Evangelions technically aren't true mecha, more like technorganics
Three-ship Flight Formation is hopelessly outdated. Brits used to fly like that in WW2. Now everyone flies Finger Four formation for mutual support. Kakizaki would still be alive if he had a wingman.
Actually no - that was his own doing - he still had missile pods on the wings and thus had to keep them deployed out - but had to make a split-second decision to roll out of the way of Milia's fire. His wings snapped off in the roll. That's still a good eye you have to catch that!
Holy macross! The sfx explosion on Kanzaki from Rick ship sounds totally tremendous... first time I hear it so strong and loud... (really I tought that was a real lightning near my house). Wow!
2018 and Milia's smirk inside the battleship docking bay thinking she already got Max is still super sexy. Awesome but too bad the events of how the fight actually ended between them wasn't shown in action, aside from Queadluun (16.8 meters) looking like it was almost totally obliterated lying on it's back as seen from the angle of its foot pointing at the ceiling with Milia almost fully ejected from what is left of the cockpit/torso lying in the same position and what seem to be a headless or retracted head silhouette of Max's VF-1S (12.68 meters) on top or sitting besides the downed enemy unit. One has to wonder how did it turn out this way and without having any of the units explode adds to the awesomeness of these two as skilled pilots.
There is a Guy on TH-cam who played a Cover to the Song you are hearing "DOGFIGHTER" in a Slow Blues rendition and its so amazingly Beautiful. I can't find it atm to post a link but it should be under "DOGFIGHTER Acoustic" Amazing Solo Cover.
To be fair, Zentradi and Meltrandi battle suits are more likely the Iron Man suit. Humans use robots the size of buildings, so in terms of size they are in same conditions.
Hell, Macross: DYRL , Macross II: Lovers again, and Macross Plus were far better than what came out after them. Even Macross Zero was better. Macross 7, Frontier, and Deta. Were were all utter rubbish.... It got too ridiculous and goofy at times.
@@RedWolf777SG Well that's just your fucking biased opinion dumbass. I'm an old school Macross fan for the past 36 years and I like Frontier and Delta. You only appreciate the war and mecha side of the show and can't stand the idols which are quintessential part of the Macross franchise. You're not a real fan.
Well that's just you. I like both the new and old Macross series. Nothing wrong with CGI effects as there are methods direct hand-drawn animation can't do.
Such a dope reimagining of the iconic scene from the series. And I wouldn't be surprised if The Batman didn't directly borrow from that hallway scene lit only by muzzle flashes. Can't say I enjoyed the music much in either version, though.
What's brilliant about the Macross story is that they're actually fighting over the meta-right to have or save gender politics or roles for their culture(s) , human or Zentraadi/Meltrandi. Leave it to the Japanese to write a story like that-the meaning of 'protoculture' was changed for the Western rebroadcast.
in reality the 'protoculture' was change because they had to combine 3 different animes into one, because the original macross just have 36 episodes and for it to appear on tv it had to have more than that, thats why they change it.
@@jeangomez3093 I'm aware of that, but I still think it's a loss that kids in the 80's who saw the show were only given hints as to the true meaning of the story.
I'm not convinced it's about gender. In my opinion it's more about how it's never too late for two civilizations to live in peace through non verbal communication, aka culture and art
@@Onewingerdraven Well, the Zentraedi and Meltrandi were segregated according to gender and were disturbed by sexual biology. The protoculture involved the use of culture that somehow healed that breach (but was denied by the more warlike Zentraedi) . Two examples would be the romance between Max and Millia and the joining of some of the Zentraedi to the humans. It the film Do You Remember Love?, it's made even more obvious through the title (referencing an ancestral DNA-based memory of male/ female relations, which is taken advantage of by the use of a singer - Lin Minmei) . I could go on, but it's clearly a unifying theme throughout the original series and film (the dissection of gender politics in the love triangle and Roy Focker's machismo) .
One question that comes to mind... we don't see what Hikaru Ichijo was doing during the duel between Max and Milia. Does this mean he takes out the other Queadluun-Rau pilots who were in formation with Milia single handedly?
@@sevenfifty7650 My nephew and I always use that term when we are in a confused state lol when I watched this Movie back in the early 90's that line always stuck with me lol
Max broke both spread wings rolling his Battroid in the hall like that because he didn’t eject his missile packs. Valkyries are supposed to have quick Stores Eject Function to prevent precisely that conflict. How’s he supposed to fly off that ship with a broken plane?
confirmation bias. A lot of anime in the 80's and 90's were terrible, we just didn't get as much of it in the states,... because who would want to spend the money (as it was far more expensive at the time) to localize something of poorer quality? Now, with everything being much cheaper to do, we're simply experiencing a flood of mediocrity that we didn't get when they had to carefully select only certain specific properties to bring over. ... and if you're VERY very lucky, not destroy with a terrible dub (a la the vast majority of AnimEigo's English dubs)
One question. In the last battle Max and Miria fought in Meltran Quealdun Rau battle suit. It means that Max was macronized to enter in that armor? A question from a 40 y.o. macross fan.
I love how Max was one of the first humans to look at a giant alien Meltrandi woman and go, "Yup, I'm marrying this one." XD
Lmao I mean who wouldn't
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Max is a fucking boss
Lol
Long before Krillin, there was Max.
Max's duel with Miriya remains one of the most beautiful and brilliantly pieces of animation, two angels of death crossing gun sights, both facing an equal for the first time in their lives. Max's desire to live, was just slightly stronger than Miriya's. While both were expendable pawns in the grand scheme of things, Max had a life outside of the killing to survive for. The Zentradi had been so perfectly bred for war, they couldn't even comprehend an end to the madness.
But eventually, somehow... the madness finished, and Humans and Zentradi managed to join hands together.
Max and Miriya's knife duel in the TV series was something I was quite disappointed with, animation-wise. A lot of the TV series was rough in both animation and uneven design, and it took me out of the story from time to time.
But THIS fight... I felt in my very soul that they were finally doing these two justice. I could watch these two do their gorgeous dogfight tango all day
Can't stop hating that people saying that Macross Plus has the best dog fight scene. I beg to differ. I love Macross Plus , but it doesn't hold any candle to the fights scenes this Macross Movie has.
@motokoerz3507 eh... just this one, which is also criminally short. Plus has several more of them, of a far more lengthy (and still consistently well animated) manner. So... yes, Plus has better dogfights, objectively.
Doesn't mean this one is bad. Just because it's not at the top doesn't mean it's not still great.
This animation in my opinion is better than today's. Does anyone else agree?
Liokaiser definitely agreed.
Cell no
No, but it's the best anime during that time period it was released. I got to admit among the Macross franchise I got to say it's my favorite series. It's quite depressing that the aboard the ship vessel Minmay, Hikaru, Misa, and their child disappeared in the year 2016 never to be seen again. It was the first ship to set into space on a mission searching for life forms etc. I do hope they put this issue as a main topic in the new series that's in the process of being created which is called Macross Delta.
Andy Yang I don't know, I think Nausicaa has held up much better than this movie and it came out the same year. This movie seemed to have pretty inconsistent animation, with the good animation going to most of the battles, and the other parts getting the lazy animation.
There should be no one who doesn't agree with you. Hand drawn animation has a charm and warmth that CG animation simply cannot replicate.
....and that kids is How I Meet Your Mother
"And how She may have killed my best friend"
@@mjd11452 she did it but he was a bumbling idiot anyway
@ true dat
God, this animation is so beautiful. I seriously wish the whole show could have looked like this.
This was a movie, the show never looked this good.
@@TeamTowers1 Umm thats why he said he wish the whole show itself (tv series) could have looked like it!
They really tried their best for the show.
TV anime is always riding the ragged edge of production schedules. There's a funny story involving the Gamilon enemy race from Space Battleship Yamato during it's initial production run that is startlingly similar to a problem that the Star Trek pilot episode (with Captain Pike) had during it's production.
There was a sequence involving an Orion Slave Girl dancer (you know - the archetypical "green skinned babe"). Every time they got the film print of that sequence back from the developer and ran the film, she wound up standard white! So they filmed it again and again, adding darker and darker green body make-up and it STILL kept coming back with the girl looking Caucasian pink-skinned!
Finally Roddenberry had enough of this and went to the film developer and asked around. Turned out the people developing the film kept thinking the green girl was a MISTAKE and kept color correcting it! He had to personally sign off a specific instruction that he WANTED GREEN!!!
So - the Gamilons - were always meant to be blue skinned. But they were sending the animation instructions for these sequences to a company in Korea they were farming out the animation to. And for the first 10 episodes the Gamilons were white-skinned just like the Earth characters. Similarly - Nishizaki had to actually get the head of the animation company on the line personally and make it VERY CLEAR (I think there was some harsh language involved - but nobody is willing to be so impolite at this late date to say so) that the GAMILONS ARE BLUE. NO - I REALLY REALLY MEAN IT!
So they turned blue. Infamously in episode 11.
This isn't as noticeable if you're watching the show on a WEEKLY basis and there are no recording machines available. As a viewer, you might have the thought - "weren't they a different color before?" but there was no way to confirm that as fans in the early 70s!
But as someone watching Star Blazers on a 5 day a week schedule in the early 80s - and recording it! - it was VERY NOTICABLE INDEED!
Just goes to show the HELL an animation production can get into - particularly sci-fi shows.
On the OTHER HAND - the remake of Yamato used this particular issue to it's advantage by making all of the more prominent early Gamilon characters (the ones the Yamato only encountered in the Solar System) be of a CLIENT race the Gamilons had previously conquered - thus adding some very intriguing layers of context to the Gamilon Empire!
They got to have it BOTH ways - and made it work BETTER in the remake! 😎
For a TV show from 1982 Macross looked damn great. Of course this movie looks incredible, it's still the greatest work in the entire medium of anime.
Awww it's their first dance. So cute.
Milia dances better.
Dancing is for women.
Dancing os for everyone
As we can see
The most amazing tango one will ever see, to sexy saxophone as well :P
I can almost hear True by Spandau Ballet xD
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I think this is the first time I hear a sax in a battle scene, that was beautiful
Cowboy bebop used them quite a bit, another class series/movie.
I just realized Max was waking the water to take out the missiles. I originally they did it for flair for the animation. Cool as hell.
I remember reading somewhere that the main reason the creator of Macross made this movie was to show what the animation in the series would've been like if he'd had the time and money, he was never happy with some of the segments of the original Macross show that were outsourced to some of the Korean animators (I'm not knocking Korean animation).
Yea, ive watched documentaries about how the production was a nightmare. Thats why the second saga looks weird and off from tthe original saga. thats because that supposed to be a completely unrelated anime, but they made it as the second saga of the series. Similar to what mario 2 is and how it looks completely different from ther first mario. it was supposed to be a different game.
Another cool Macross lore to put inside my Macross lore collection (my mind)
Yeah, the animation quality in the original series varies wildly between story arcs. The main rule I go for is that if the event is more important, the better animation quality.
Of all the things that thankfully got smooth solid animation and consistency of design, it is this battle right here. With how almost embarrassingly clunky the knife fight between Max and Miriya was animated in the TV series, this battle right here finally gives the iconic duo the justice they deserved. I dare say this battle is even more satisfying to look at than both the opening confrontation (which also involved Max showing off his skill) as well as the final "Do You Remember Love" battle (the one instance I actually appreciated the corresponding TV series segment more than the movie)
I love how the second Max sees those missile bays open, he's like, "Nawww, fuck this", and dodges on instinct.
Mah boy.
+Scentless his accuracy and battle instinct are the reasons why he's called 'top ace' and 'genius'.
+KoeSeer withe a name like Jenius he better be
Dodging the CFA-44 ADMM’s from ace combat has taught me that the reaction he has is not only justified. I’d probably get hit in his position
The original series and this movie too do paint Max as someone who is just very good at this whole "aerial combat" thing, without making him obnoxious or a mary sue.
@@sayorisione8868 Ace Combat... oh the memories.
One of many rememberable scenes that has never left my head, whenever I hear the name Macross this scene comes to mind, along with Minmay singing Do you remember love, such a timeless master piece this is and looking at this scene, specially when you see both Max and Milia fight it out in the corridors of the ship, it is amazing how it is all beautifully animated, it just looks so gorgeous and captures the intense moment of the two duking it out.
Now after seeing this I need to bust out my Blu-Ray and watch it again
Amazing animation. Hand drawn animation is the best.
can't beat that
nothing like it!
No, the reason hand drawn isnt the best...
You cant mass produce it...which wastes too much time.
The artist can't move onto the next idea fast enough.
Creativity becomes limited to the speed of the draw.
With technology you can produce and save your style, you can provide tools for subordinates to use in production. You create a legacy/style that can be easily produced by subordinates.
Long after the original artist is gone, their style can be traced onto new works.
Technology allows an artists 'essence' to remain across multiple projects.
Hand draw is a piece of art for history to observe.
Technology allows the artist's essence to live in projects created by their peers, audiences will be excited by the artists style long into the future, in other projects.
Kind of how rap music appropriated classic Motown hits as samples in new works.
I'd love to see this Max and Milia scene 'motion captured' to a 3D animation work with different characters in a different story.
I know I would recognize the original artists signature in that work.
The same way you recognize the sampled pieces of music in a rap track.
The sadest thing I can think of is this fantastic piece of animation work being lost to time.
I'm moved by the energy and sentiment in this work.
How Max and Milia both met their match in combat, and how the duel became a sort of deadly love play.
It's a great work that needs to be preserved.
Thank you for posting this. I dont like the Robotech masters version.😁👍
it's 3D animation converted into 2D you wood not be able to make macross style action animation witout 3D animation
@@vnelson000 3D isn't faster it could be just as good but it's not given the time to polish it up
3D suck's because because those in charge of making it treat it like fast food but saying it inherently is is just wrong in my opinion
to me what you are saying is the same as saying goodwork is objectively wortless because it takes to mutch time
Minmay's singing here is beautifully haunting.
Well put
I like CGI in anime when its done right but this movie will probably live on in my mind as one of the best cell animated movies ive seen. My mom took me to the theaters to see this as a kid who could barly talk but i remember this well and is what made me love mecha so much lol
Man, she was so relentless in the movie! I love that scene earlier when she's blowing away Zentradi inside the ship where Hikaru and everyone else were being held captive. Wish the movie had explored both races more and introduced other Meltrandi.
the price for condensing a series down to a feature length movie. iirc it was later established that this is in fact a fictionalized recounting of space war 1 in a later series
God damn, what a legendary scene. I'll join the old guy squad and second that they just don't make them like this any more.
I disagree, check Miyazaki 's Porco Rosso or Yf-19 vs YF-21 from Macross OVA or Yf-21 vs Ghost X-9 from Macross Plus Movie edition or recent remake from Yamato 2199 or the 'realistic' dogfights in Area 88 Third Act.
cid76 I haven't seen Area 88, but yea the other Macross stuff was great. It's still pretty old though... like 20 years? Porco Rosso isn't exactly sci-fi even though it was awesome :p
Yamato 2199... didn't dig the CGI stuff. I think traditional animation looks way better.
This was definitely a legendary dog fight scene in the history of anime, but there are other really awesome ones as well. I think one of my favorites is Gould (YF-21) vs. Isamu (YF-19) in Macross Plus and the very realistic opening dogfight in Macross Zero! Wow.
And that's how you find true love, folks
"I approve of this!"
- Nanoha and Fate Takamachi
Good! I’m gonna grab my shotgun out in the street
My favorite battle scene in the movie. The only flaw is it's TOO SHORT..That sax is killer..
I still put it a close (VERY close) 2nd to the opening battle, with Fokker's Skull Squadron taking on a swarm of battle pods only to have to rush back and defend the Macross before she makes the most gorgeous transformation scene in franchise history.
Always wanted to know what Max said or did for them to be still enemies coming to terms as Milia is critically wounded and Max being by her side - on board an enemy vessel mind you - and then the next scene you see them, they're together gearing up in their mechs for the final battle - already in love. How did Max not get stepped on by the other Meltrandi? They probably spared him since he bested their ace pilot and had stayed to help her.
Plot holes aside, it was a nice nod/reversal where Milia joined up with Max and flew her red Valkyrie alongside his blue Valkyrie. Seeing a Zentraedi-sized Max flying a Queadluun was cool as hell. The Meltrandi obviously made a few concessions given the circumstances.
I'm still wondering if the other ladies of that ship were freaking out hearing that go down in that tunnel.
@@SilentZombie "relax, its just melia having her first date."
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 Lol
That's why you never EVER chit-chat before a battle...
And never make fun of your CO.
Because we don't battle. We don't play with the devils, or even sell anything to them. Not unless they will be truly Exorcied and for eternity.
Not a single frame of Computer effects/animation of any kind - all acetate cel-painted in the traditional manner - 40 years later - and it STILL looks better than 90% of anime these days!
yeah, they look so alive in comparison
Only 90?
the attention to detail also, Max transforms with the missile pods attach to the wings so they cant fully retract in Batrroid mode, when he rolls it to dodge the shots when he comes out of the smoke to start shooting the wings are broken.
This is movie boy, try to compare to movie tier animation nowadays. Of course this would exceed most normal anime quality, but so do modern movies compared to 80s and 90s anime lmao
Most of all it was made by people who weren't just a numb committee machining a product out
He swept me off my feet, but good luck carrying me over the threshold.
Macross: The Movie is my all-time favorite Anime Film. It is hands down one of the most artistically detailed Japanese animation films ever made. It still looks great 40 years later! This battle scene in the film is one of my favorites - Max is one highly skilled pilot!
Fortunately Tatsunoko who directed Power of the Primes did beautiful gorgeous key animation like this and it shows. The quality and stylistic finesse is top quality.
Millia shoots, Max dodges. Millia: "WTF?"
Max shoots, Millia dodges. Max : "WTF?"
Both: a worthy opponent.
@@Wolf10media "Nameless mooks are not supposed to do that. Who are you?"
This is the cleanest and most vibrant version yet!
The closed-quarter gun fight was definitely genius!
We need this remastered.
We just need it RELEASED. Its been held hostage by a complicated web of legal nonsense for far too long.
One thing I have always loved about anime vs American cartoons is the killing off of characters. It makes the show seem more realistic that not everyone lives to fight another day. Its one of the things that I liked about The 80s Transformers the movie as a kid (The killing off of many original characters). Yes, most replacements sucked and post the movie the show lost a lot of what made it popular, but the fact it took place in the future and most originals were not brought back to life made my favorite character (jazz) seem that more special since he never died throughout the series.
max is unbelievable pilot, but the question is how hikaru survive the entire squadron while max and mirya is fighting
well max its a genius, and hikaru was a monster one tier bellow him....poor squad of mirya got demolished like when hikaru was in the frontline fight at space...
He was probably taking part in the bigger battle after they got separated. Hikaru is a good pilot and I have no doubts he has a good chance of surviving battles.
Hikaru's the second best pilot, he'd be aight
Next to Char vs Amuro's final fight, this was the most epic mecha duel ever!
It's like I've been saying for years - that last part in the airlock is the mecha equivalent to a down an dirty knife fight in an elevator!
For 80s indeed, if we consider 90s we can include also Macross Plus (OVA and Movie) Gundam 0080, 0083 and Gundam 08th......Evangelions technically aren't true mecha, more like technorganics
I have to admit, this was more intense only because it was so short, but it's really epic duel.
This was more epic, and plus was even more epic than this.
Two enemies trapped in a Stanley Kubrick airlock.!
* A Kubrick airlock with Chris Foss stripes
Kakizaki gets taken out like a punk so badly in DYRL lol
Right before Hayao Kakizaki was killed, there was a bright spot on the horizon that indicated the muzzle flash from Milia's gun at 0:36
Talk about how I met your mother. In order to qualify, I had to live. XD
Just picture Max telling his first-born about their first encounter.
Hey it took a good while to even make one of their daughters believe that Minmay was a real person.
Remember that time Max and Millia literally tossed their baby at Hikaru and Hayase?
Millia: "She's got Zentradi in her. She's tough."
We use to call her the Black Widow
7 girls... damn max xD
Nice detail that they made Max the squad leader in the movie instead of Hikaru. God knows he’s more suited for the role
Three-ship Flight Formation is hopelessly outdated. Brits used to fly like that in WW2. Now everyone flies Finger Four formation for mutual support. Kakizaki would still be alive if he had a wingman.
Damn, this is top-notch animation
Awe Ben getting yetted in Japanese and in English versions. One of the best story arcs with the two best pilots ever!
1:52 - looks like she clipped his wings. If so - nice little detail there
Actually no - that was his own doing - he still had missile pods on the wings and thus had to keep them deployed out - but had to make a split-second decision to roll out of the way of Milia's fire. His wings snapped off in the roll. That's still a good eye you have to catch that!
Milia (to her shipmates): Spare him and prepare him for snoo-snoo!
To the macronization chamber goes Max.
Max deserved it he’s a fucking chad
Holy macross! The sfx explosion on Kanzaki from Rick ship sounds totally tremendous... first time I hear it so strong and loud... (really I tought that was a real lightning near my house). Wow!
is Hikaru no rick, and is kakizaky not kanzaki
2018 and Milia's smirk inside the battleship docking bay thinking she already got Max is still super sexy. Awesome but too bad the events of how the fight actually ended between them wasn't shown in action, aside from Queadluun (16.8 meters) looking like it was almost totally obliterated lying on it's back as seen from the angle of its foot pointing at the ceiling with Milia almost fully ejected from what is left of the cockpit/torso lying in the same position and what seem to be a headless or retracted head silhouette of Max's VF-1S (12.68 meters) on top or sitting besides the downed enemy unit. One has to wonder how did it turn out this way and without having any of the units explode adds to the awesomeness of these two as skilled pilots.
max with the squadron commanders aircraft, the 4 lasered vf-1s, the attention to detail is incredible
They never did sell a “Max Special” VF-1S action mecha, did they? I have Hikaru’s -1A and -1S Strike Valk.
yamato did
Max is a lucky man, getting such an awesome and beautiful wife, but it was also due to his top skills and courage as well.
This is a great piece of real art ❤
Am I the only one who saw the X-Wings flying over the lake in the new Star Wars movie and thought of this particular scene?
It was a total rip.
@@SVSky I think it's more tribute stuff than rip off
@@zerox8413 both.
Beautiful, stunning animation, they just don't make it like this anymore do they.
80s-90s animation will never die. It's a shame I have not seen anything replicating such detail today.
The sequence from 0:46 to 0:59 is SO COOL!!
this was a good show. Plenty of action, not bs conversations.
One of the best anime that can never be topped #1
KAKIZAKI!!!! Yeah, the only way you're gonna top their dogfight from the TV ep, "Pineapple Salad" is by re-animating it for the Big Screen!
3:32 in case you didn't know: utsukushii = "beautiful"
Thank you!!!🎉
I wonder where I could find that version of "Do You Remember Love" that's hummed (kind of) during the aftermath of the battle...
I've never seen the film version of this fight and holy crap that was an intense cqc sequence.
This Hand drawn animation aged like a wine
Cutting edge dulls, mastered methods are timeless. It's why pixel art has remained a viable art style over endless polygons chasers.
the only couple that have legacy all over macross series I think, their children and grandchildren almost everywhere 🤣
max and mila best couple ever, i remember when they fight on arcade game too
1:34 Love the sax there.
They don't make em' like they used to.
it looks amazing!!!!
One of the most MECHA BADASS scenes ever!
wish could find that one on DVD or even stream.
Kinda makes you wonder if the storyline to the movie would have made a much better and engrossing TV series.
Pretty sure she's talking about the music when she says beautiful but whatever. Excellent episode from one of my all-time fav anime.
She's just parroting what Max said. She doesn't understand or speak Japanese.
That was one hell of a first date!
Wish this were on Netflix! It was on TH-cam with English subs but got removed due to a copyright violation.
Beautiful
Mylene : so papa, how do you and mom meet for the first time?
Max : we shot bullets and missiles
There is a Guy on TH-cam who played a Cover to the Song you are hearing "DOGFIGHTER" in a Slow Blues rendition and its so amazingly Beautiful. I can't find it atm to post a link but it should be under "DOGFIGHTER Acoustic" Amazing Solo Cover.
In her defense, she was trying to hit a smaller target.
To be fair, Zentradi and Meltrandi battle suits are more likely the Iron Man suit. Humans use robots the size of buildings, so in terms of size they are in same conditions.
@@puniopenetrante true
@@puniopenetranteyup even the battlepod sits 1 soldier, sort of like a bike
Pouring a 40 in memory of my boy, Kakizaki. Terrible pilot, but a top-notch bro.
alot better than the new macrosses today those cgi effects sighh...
Hell, Macross: DYRL , Macross II: Lovers again, and Macross Plus were far better than what came out after them. Even Macross Zero was better.
Macross 7, Frontier, and Deta. Were were all utter rubbish.... It got too ridiculous and goofy at times.
@@RedWolf777SG Well that's just your fucking biased opinion dumbass. I'm an old school Macross fan for the past 36 years and I like Frontier and Delta. You only appreciate the war and mecha side of the show and can't stand the idols which are quintessential part of the Macross franchise. You're not a real fan.
Well that's just you. I like both the new and old Macross series. Nothing wrong with CGI effects as there are methods direct hand-drawn animation can't do.
@@RedWolf777SG couldnt agree with you more
"And that, little dana my daughter, is how your mommy and daddy had their first date. It was love at first lockon target." -Max Sterling
TheAllaksion LMAO
Nope.
This is Macross, not Robocrap.
Jeezus, those dub names.
The weebs are mad that you didn’t say the proper names.
Such a dope reimagining of the iconic scene from the series. And I wouldn't be surprised if The Batman didn't directly borrow from that hallway scene lit only by muzzle flashes. Can't say I enjoyed the music much in either version, though.
They don't make em like this anymore
Very good cartoon
What's brilliant about the Macross story is that they're actually fighting over the meta-right to have or save gender politics or roles for their culture(s) , human or Zentraadi/Meltrandi. Leave it to the Japanese to write a story like that-the meaning of 'protoculture' was changed for the Western rebroadcast.
in reality the 'protoculture' was change because they had to combine 3 different animes into one, because the original macross just have 36 episodes and for it to appear on tv it had to have more than that, thats why they change it.
@@jeangomez3093 I'm aware of that, but I still think it's a loss that kids in the 80's who saw the show were only given hints as to the true meaning of the story.
I'm not convinced it's about gender. In my opinion it's more about how it's never too late for two civilizations to live in peace through non verbal communication, aka culture and art
@@Onewingerdraven Well, the Zentraedi and Meltrandi were segregated according to gender and were disturbed by sexual biology. The protoculture involved the use of culture that somehow healed that breach (but was denied by the more warlike Zentraedi) . Two examples would be the romance between Max and Millia and the joining of some of the Zentraedi to the humans. It the film Do You Remember Love?, it's made even more obvious through the title (referencing an ancestral DNA-based memory of male/ female relations, which is taken advantage of by the use of a singer - Lin Minmei) . I could go on, but it's clearly a unifying theme throughout the original series and film (the dissection of gender politics in the love triangle and Roy Focker's machismo) .
@@joshuahenry7965 the japonese mentality of the past dont have anything in common with the ideology of the present. Its complictly different.
2022 tamos aqui!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One question that comes to mind... we don't see what Hikaru Ichijo was doing during the duel between Max and Milia.
Does this mean he takes out the other Queadluun-Rau pilots who were in formation with Milia single handedly?
pretty much, hikaru was a great pilot but max was a fucking monster xD
At the end, Max narrates to his children "...and that's how I met your mother."
Imagine telling your children that this is how I met your mother.
Seven daughters ......Well done Max... Miriya totally a MILF...after seven daughters.......
I believe in love at first sight!
Finding true love was much more hardcore in the 1980's.
But who's going to deal with? THE ENEMY!
LOL! When I read this, I read it with the exact tone of the english dub. The english dub is horrible.
@@sevenfifty7650 My nephew and I always use that term when we are in a confused state lol when I watched this Movie back in the early 90's that line always stuck with me lol
"Max, do a barrel roll!"
* does it in Battroid/Soldier mode *
O_o;;
The original Snu-snu character. T_T
Damn. This movie surely didn't pull any punches.
Max broke both spread wings rolling his Battroid in the hall like that because he didn’t eject his missile packs. Valkyries are supposed to have quick Stores Eject Function to prevent precisely that conflict. How’s he supposed to fly off that ship with a broken plane?
And this is why the anime of today can’t hold a candle to what we had in the 80’s and 90’s
confirmation bias. A lot of anime in the 80's and 90's were terrible, we just didn't get as much of it in the states,... because who would want to spend the money (as it was far more expensive at the time) to localize something of poorer quality? Now, with everything being much cheaper to do, we're simply experiencing a flood of mediocrity that we didn't get when they had to carefully select only certain specific properties to bring over.
... and if you're VERY very lucky, not destroy with a terrible dub (a la the vast majority of AnimEigo's English dubs)
Шедевр на века!
Just realized this means Max married the woman that killed their buddy.
well max pretty much killed her whole unit....
What's the name of the song that starts at 2:53
It's the tune to Do You Remember Love? The title of the movie. They didn't have the lyrics yet.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh babyyyyyyyyyyy 🥰🥰🥰🥰❤️🥰😘❤️
I like the dogfighters soundtrack on this one it sounds amazing
This animation is without equal.
One question. In the last battle Max and Miria fought in Meltran Quealdun Rau battle suit. It means that Max was macronized to enter in that armor?
A question from a 40 y.o. macross fan.
Yup, he was Macronized
Is there a clean version of the humming at the end?
What do they say to each other at the end of the video?
"Beautiful..."
"Beautiful?"
Thank you.@@des-geek
Macross, & GandaM,, my best anime Ever, ☺️😀😆
Thats one hard love dance