This Tiny Chip is a Beast - PS2, Switch, 3DS, Wii, and GameCube Emulation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มี.ค. 2022
- The 3588J is an incredibly powerful module featuring the RK3588 SoC. In this video, we test the emulation performance of the RK3588 with PS2 (AetherSX2), 3DS (Citra), GameCube/Wii (Dolphin), and several other systems. This is a sneak peek into what we can expect from future open-source handhelds.
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ITX-3588J Specifications
CPU: RK3588
GPU: Mali G610 MP4
RAM: 8GB LPDDR4x
Storage: 64GB eMMC 5.1
Connectivity: Wi-Fi 6 / BT 5.0 / GbE
OS: Android / Linux
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Bring on the RK3588 handhelds!
We need them . But it should be well priced
RGB10 Max 3, when?
I hope we get a good Linux build too. I want light PC gaming too with my Emulation.
Hopefully retroid pocket 3
THIS
anbernic will make handhelds with this chip for the next 9 years
Let's wait
@@jamesyu5212 Keyword is 9 years
@@jamesyu5212 9 years, SoC's and anbernic shouldn't be put in the same sentence lol.
@@jamesyu5212 Some of us are collectors and like tinkering with Linux. Besides I don't understand a lot of Taki's fans when it comes to the RK3326 devices they play SNES, GBA, and PS1 at full speed with a very solid list of PSP, N64, and Dreamcast games. Plus the double standards with Retroid products.
and they will all be a waste of precious tech resources and your money.
Oh this is beautiful, can't wait to see the handhelds made with this chip
yeah that is going to be epic 😄
@@wickedportablegaming epic expensive?
@@incomingtruth49 yeah the deck can do everything this can
we already have steam deck, how is this better ?
SteamDeck!!
The price is also a beast. I'm just hoping when they release an emulator system, it will be cheap or at least on par with last year's models.
Yeah, Steam Deck price but Steam Deck is more powerful.
There's a cheaper variant of this chip with less I/O available but the same CPU and GPU, it's called the rk3588s
No joke. The chip may be a beast, but it carries a costs that matches its performance increases. Going from a $40-$50 chip to a $250 chip, I think they just priced themselves right out of the running for any emulation use cases. Why pay that premium when you can get the same, if not better performance for a lower price point.
@@TheDainerss yea not worth it really. There are plenty of other boards for cheaper that can get great emulation anyway.
@@TheDainerss where is it $250 Rock5 Model B is like $130
I always feel like we are 2-3 years away from some magical hardware, but there always seems to be that one thing keeping a product from be specatacular.
Is not just the hardware but the software as well.
In 2-3 years from now.... It will be the same... I've been the same way... wanted something to do at least GameCube a few years ago, NOW, PS3 and Xbox 360 with a hint of Switch...
It never ends and magical is replaced with MORE magical in time.....
*spectacular
Well we have Snapdragons, Kirin and Exynos chips.
Aside from being phone exclusive socs, the hardware existed long ago.
Heck even a proper Mediatek soc for tv boxes would be very much welcome
same, somehow every chip its always "if this were 50 percent faster it would be incredible"
I love how you show us a PCB and then all of a sudden you're gaming on it? Like uh it'd be good to know what the intermediate steps are.
magic
The buffet plate is 12.50
How have I not been subbed my b I have been enjoying your content for a while I can’t wait to see what this puppy can do ok back to the vid.
Can't wait to see what the performance on this will be like with an optimized Linux emulation OS!
for linux, you need to waif for panfrost mesa drivers to support it. its on dev already. its a bleeding edge mali gpu.
Just Sub bro, thank you for the presentation.
I was about to comment on the sound but you cleared that out.
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To think a tiny board could run from Atari 2600 to Wii is amazing. The PS2 emulator from the captures are using the widescreen patches but the video frame is still in 4:3, the games look squished, but still amazing to see them running as well as they do. For 16-bit and even 8-bit tests, can you set runahead to at least 2 so you and others can have a better idea on how it handles the extra load?
Love the intro my man 😎
Can’t wait to see a handheld with the form factor of the RG351MP but with this much power
@@grundian I’m aware, I’m just going to wait patiently
Nice discovery Taki 👍.
A superior competitor to my actual Retroid Pocket 2+.
Just hoping the price of the handhelds won't be too high.
Just to update, there's not even a single gaming handheld manufacturer out there using this chip
Seeing these games bring back memories.
The thing that really impressed me was that the temperature remained under 30°C for everything! You gotta love the efficiently of ARM.
*efficiency (adjective)
efficiently = adverb
@@alvallac2171 🤭 I'll blame the auto correct.
@@alvallac2171 efficiency is a noun bro
This is crazy powerful stuff. Handheld consoles will get even better
Wow, completely blown away by what this can handle. This should def be in a handheld.
Yeah, if you want a $1000 - $1500 handheld, sure! I will take a SteamDeck or Pi based handheld for a fraction of the costs. This board is not going to see widespead emulation use since Rockchip just priced themselves right out of the running.
Very impressed with this chip...I'd love to see it in some new handhelds. I really hope Odroid comes out with another handheld this year. I love the Powkiddy RGB10 MAX 2...but, I want something more powerful. We live in such amazing times for emulation
can this run proton tho? with the new steam os + proton thing we can atleast run some low end indie titles on handheld on this right?
There are efforts to eventually get proton to run on ARM processors (FEX).
@@TakiUdon oof forgot the ARM part
I'm looking forward to this handheld
I love that Intro!
Wow, this is impressive. I'd actually love to see it in a Pinebook, or another arm laptop. Maybe this is finally a chip that can do some actual (albeit a bit lighter) work done, and does come with potentially great Linux support.
Re: Pinebook they have plans to make a board called the Quartz64Pro that is based on the RK3588 SoC.
@@Mr_Squarepeg I've seen some thing with ridiculous price and it isn't exactly a laptop, but hopefully it's a step in the right direction
Man, if the RG552 had this chip in it, I would not have returned it. Shockingly good.
Agreed. If the RG552 had this chip it could be worth the asking price, especially with the screen and build quality.
This
i actually like the rg552 more then this it has nice buttons huge screen and it looks very expensive unlike this along with all other hand helds they all look cheap from china
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude i -> I; rg -> RG; then -> than; this -> this;; nice < niais < nescius := not-skilled -> well; hand helds -> handhelds; china -> China. Dolt.
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude shoulder buttons lacking
Wow seeing Citra running in this is amazing
I had such big hopes for the RK3399 back in the day, I had pre-ordered two different SBC's and two different TV boxes. I was disappointed to not see good linux driver support after years(!) of waiting. I hope this SBC gets better support, but I'm certainly not going to preorder any rockchip devices this time.
I'm holding off on upgrading my retro handheld until we get smaller ones that can emulate the more difficult system. Would love to see something around the size of the retroid pocket 3 or switch lite run most ps2/gamecube/3ds games reliably. Hoping the wait isn't too long.
I would have liked to see PCIE x16 on the ITX base board. 489$ is a hard sell too. You could get a cheap mobo and ryzen Apu for that price.
If possible Taki, can you generate some comparison data?
You can preorder the RK3588 sbc from Radxa from 84 USD, it will be 129 after.
I paid almost that much for my gaming laptop , with a 1060 and 16gb of ram , it runs everything I’ve thrown at it
I support this and i might grab one for myself
Emulation is gaming preservation at its peak
For gaming on Linux you have to make sure to have the latest kernel and graphic drivers.
So best find a way to update or install an Arch based distro like Manjaro KDE to have similar experience to the Steam Deck.
This is a very promising chip and price seems good. Let's hope companies will pick it up!
Props for representing Maken X, fantastic game
Integer upscaling should help with performance if upscaling is possible on that unit. Lower res to get better performance. Convert to full screen using some upscaling method.
Ambernic about to have a field day.
I wonder how long we’ll have to wait for handhelds with this processor.
Yeah 300 for 8/64 is a lot. You can’t get a used Sd855 phone and a gamesir for cheaper
in 10 years maybe
POCO X3 Pro + Gamepad >>> this
@@ca9inec0mic58 poco x3 pro = poor (just buy real gaming mobile dude)
@@AdikMusicOfficialTM for people on a budget this is a great option
Next level of emulation is here 😲
will be nice to see Anbernic or Powkiddy using this chip on a handheld, it can basically run what everybody is asking for them
Good video. I didn't see anything for the switch? How would this compare to emulation from the Raspberry Pi 4?
This is exponentially better for emulation compared to the Pi4
How much power does it draw on maximum clocks? It's impressive but if it drains a battery flat in two hours it won't be much use for handhelds.
i guess this will compete with the likes of the AYN Odin and i'm thinking it will be a similar price. i would be truly excited for all the upcoming handhelds that will be competing in this range, but last week i picked up a pixel 3 (snapdragon 845) with a razer kishi, and i think i'm going to be keeping this a long while. but who knows, maybe once the competition heats up with these chips and there is a nice, inexpensive handheld, i might pick up it up if my current set up doesn't work out.
De um certo modo, esse rk é equivalente ao. Snap 845
Hey Taki, make custom game console with that SBC. I think it would makes great content.
Hell yeah, SRB2K at the end!
Thanks for the review.
What's the racing game with Sonic at the end?
It' at 13:44
Are there any handhelds coming out that will make use of this chipset?
It would be nice to be able to stream our Retropi games from our much faster desktops to a handheld device over a sim card internet connection
Hey check it out, Taki is rocking the new Anbernic?
Please use Spider-Man 2, Ultimate Spider-Man (PS2/GCN) and Spider-Man Web of Shadows (Wii) in the Dolphin/AetherSX2 emulators, I believe they are tougher to run than many of the games you chose for benchmarks and a lot of us probably want to play them. Thanks for the great vid very excited for the future of these things 😁
This in the rg351v shell would be perfect for me
This needs to go in a handheld, geez!!!
@ 11:31 you have a Gamecube game correct? You have it labeled was Wii on the bottom of the screen. Just FYI :)
oops, duplicated the wrong asset.
Ps2 and 3ds in a portable emulator are the dream for me. There's so many good games in those libraries that, at least for ps2, would be killer I'm portable form.
i didn't expect my favorite game timestalkers to make an appearance
Hey. How did you make that snes intro with your own name on it?
I wonder how much a handheld with this chipset will be priced
Hey please try using Citra Enhanced + and Citra MMJ as they seem to have much better Mali compatibility
Imagine what those tiny chip could do in the next decade lol
Probably a stupid question, but I’m genuinely interested in how exactly that thing would turn into a handheld device? What exactly is the process and how do they go about getting screens and cases for them.
Im impressed to see more demading gamecube game like
Super smash bro meiee zelda tp running.
Most people only show Soul Calibur 2
For PSP Tomb Raider: Anniversary is a great test. on RK3326 frame rates are very low. I'm wondering how much this improves things or its still unplayable? Im sure Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings is great on this chip. It slowed down a little bit here and there on the RK3326 but I could deal with it. Annoying at times but not really bad.
That's a very demanding game for any low end Chipset. The RK3326 can play PSP games but not ones like that.
If it can play GoW games at 5x, that means it can play any PSP game, no matter what at 3x resolution.
Great board for handheld.
Thats litle Tiny Chip play those systems wow insane
if it play switch wii u ps3 verry well i think i will buy one
I got Kinhank X5 Pro with Pegasus and this chip. It’s AWESOME! PS2 emulation is fantastic. Playing God of War, Silent Hill 2,3, Resident Evil 4 and many others and they’re running flawlessly. I had no idea PS2 emulation had gotten so good.
J'ai cette console, le playstore fonctionne chez vous?
Frankly speaking, with such a price I wouldn't expect less))
Seems pretty good
WOW and to think about a short 10 years ago i built a PC specifically to play GameCube and wii Emulation. I love technology advancements.
It is the step up that we have been waiting for for 5 years now and as soon as it gets into TV boxes and handhelds then it might take off if the price is kept low, although based upon the Firefly model, I'm not so sure. Linux gaming and video playback is unlikely ever to make much progress because of the lack of Mali open source drivers. As reported a while back by CNXSoft, there will be 2 models of RK3588, one with all the I/O and a cut down one that will likely be seen in boxes and handhelds.
Firefly usually charges a higher price for their SBCs compared to other vendors. You would need to see what Orange Pi or others charge for this chip to get a good idea of where the bottom line is. The chip itself is only about 2x the cost of the RK3399 / S922x
@@TakiUdon Fingers crossed. As you are the only person with an actual device in their hands, I hope that we will see some more demos of the features as many folk are salivating to watch.
Really hope we start seeing this chip in emulation handhelds in the next year or so
Very well 👍🏽
Homie be getting finger grease on the pcb and contacts
Does Batocera or EMUelec support the RK3588? Would be great in an Android Box
It's too early. The Linux support is a bit rough right now. See the end of this video for examples.
Excellent video and incredible processor
I wonder if it would be able to run emulator " EGG NS " ( nintendo switch ) or " Skyline " ( nintendo switch ) Both for android.
Both require or need a Snapdragon 845 processor and 12GB of RAM.
Please could you try to run those emulators ( EGG NS and Skyline ) and try some games ? Thank you very much
Citra has a few versions now. Maybe mix and match
You wanted to know what we think, and I think I want to know how well it can handle the original Xbox, or the Xbox360 it was my childhood console, and I’d love to see if it can take the beating.
Could you give recommend which to use for emulators on a x86 pc i have a high end pc with ryzen 3900x zen 2/ rtx 3080 ti and a high-end laptop with i9 12900h / rtx 3070 ti gpu ? is the standalone emulators always best over retroarch?
You should stick with RA for everything except PS1 and PSP. You could also skip out on Flycast and go with ReDream, but Flycast is good and has free widescreen hack support.
Install " batocera "on usb or harddrive.it will boot separately.Nice loking system with retroarch cores and others stand alone systems.
I want a Retroid Pocket 3 with this in it
For my applications, industrial replacements, and integration for PLC's, Rockchip just does not hold up to extreme operating environments and is a bitch to use with your more obscure OS's and codes you see in the industry, past, and present. I find myself using the older Pi boards a lot as speed and memory and GPU capabilities are not an issue as stability and resistance to heat and moisture are. Cooling the newest boards is an issue. I try all options in micro board tech. For this board, it was just too unstable on the test bench so I did not waste the time testing it under load and in less than optimal environments. I have 100's of boards that I tested but I am sure I can use them to build a retro gaming console. :)
Maybe a series?
Pretty good for 84 USD. Also I didn't see any Switch emulation?
Estou com um projeto para fazer um "minigame" com esse chip, a ideia é colocar ele junto com uma tela touch-screen, porém o problema seria a bateria, não sei se posso usar uma PowerBank para carregar esse chip e quanto de energia ele consome 😢
What sort of input latency are we looking at for snes psx and gba for this little machine hard wired? Not with run ahead
I bought Huawei P20 Pro from 2nd hand for about 40$. Screen was dead, but this phone have mhl with EMUI so it can be very good console for old games. Many people sell phones with broken screen for almost free, with mhl it can be pretty usefull.
This thing is a beast, can't wait until it's in handhelds.
What game is that at 13:46?
SRB2Kart - highly recommend trying it out.
@@TakiUdon can this run proton tho? with the new steam os + proton thing we can atleast run some low end indie titles on handheld on this right?
@@azhanheheh SteamOS is only for x86 CPUs not ARM at the moment and Proton is a Windows translation layer so it works with x86 syscalls. But given that Chromebooks, that run on ARM, got Steam support only recently, I guess it may be possible in the future.
I wanted to see how this thing was installed, it looks like a ram stick?
When testing ps2 games, would you please test the Valkyrie Profile 2? None of the emulators i see can run this game T.T
Android emulators*
Is this the same connection type like TX2 Module?
I really want a rg351p size with something like this
Wow this SOC have a single core and multi core performance close to my Ryzen 5 3500U 708/2486 on 15W TDP (which is a fair comparison because the Rokchip on load draws around 14W).
Are they working on Mali driver to make its driver better....or I need to switch to snapdragon device???
Is there a plataform alike based on RISCV?
This chip is great, but dam a handheld with this chip is gunna be expensive 😫
Everything is gonna be ok.
I just can't stop thinking about the new Orange Pi 800. I wonder if the Android 12 will run Gamecube on it???
Going to grab a SBC with this CPU and slap it into a PS2 slim shell
what do you use for wii joystick?
Time for a Dreamcast mini!
Man, the early adopter fee on that dev board is pretty steep at around 500usd. I have a Rock5 16gb preordered and will also get the Pine version when it releases too (unless it's the same exact board, prior the RockPi had NVME for the pcie lanes while the RockPro64 just had an actual pcie slot...that I used for a nvme > pcie card). I've already got a case with proper cooling for the most part designed for the Rock5. I doubt the boards with 16gb of ram will drop to the 39-80 dollars of previous gen, but even at the discounted preorder prices for the Rock5 you're getting a desktop experience for the price of a part or less in a lot of cases (proper driver/kernel support permitting for hardware encoding/decoding along with everything else...I hate Debian, so I'll be working on getting Manjaro/Arch and FreeBSD going for mine).
I'm not that found of Debian either, but it is decent enough for now.
is this an s0 dimm? where should one plug that in?
With the exception of RE revelations I can run any 3ds game on my android phone... So I'm not sure where you get your opinion of 3ds emulation on android from
He's referring to the issues with the android software (mostly using RK3326 chips I think) not playing nice. Not hardware. What do you have in there? Snapdragon?
@@VRtheFuture yeah I upgraded from an Exynos s21 to a Poco f3 which has an SD 870
where did u plug that ?
This makes my Nvidia Shield TV look garbage now! Shield needs a major upgrade or Qualcomm needs to release a good 8 series SoC Android TV box!
Or just get rid of the Nvidia Shield and buy something in the future that has this chip in it. The Shield was overpriced from the start because Nvidia lmao!
@@Flyingboots1 if this SoC comes in a box with official Android TV + Netflix license then yes I will replace it with this (hoping Mecool can pull it off)
Nvidia could afford waiting for about 5 years, but now there is definitely some affordable competition. They will need to step up or there will be Shield killer soon.
@@kobirulali1717 mecool leaving amlogic seems unlikely. But there is a TV box brand that uses Rockchip. Forgot the name right now.