This Tiny Chip is POWERFUL - PS2, Switch, 3DS, Wii, and GameCube Emulation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- The ROC RK3588s PC is an incredibly powerful ARM SBC featuring the RK3588s SoC. In this video, we test the emulation performance of the RK3588s with GameCube/Wii (Dolphin), 3DS (Citra), Switch (Skyline), PS2 (AetherSX2), and many other systems.
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ROC RK3588s PC Specifications
CPU: RK3588
GPU: Mali G610 MP4
RAM: 8GB LPDDR4x
Storage: 64GB eMMC
Connectivity: Wi-Fi 5 / BT 2.4 / GbE
OS: Android 12 / Linux
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Are you looking forward to the future RK3588s handhelds?
Firefly is holding a program for fans to work with their engineers to personalize their own RK3588 PC: www.stationpc.com/exploreplan
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Please no 366s
Not looking forward to the price tags
🤦♂️No. We are looking forward to the review and tests of the Pentium 8505 and Celeron 7305.
@@richarddukard8989 Ye this soc is like $200 on its own. Even with discounts, handhelds with this at the current time would probably cost over $350. Which means its pointless because you can buy a ayn odin pro for less than that. And a steam deck for a little more
Can't wait to see Cortex A77/A78 to hit the SBC market. Together with 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes that could be split into 4 1x ports using a PLX switch some shockingly capable mini servers should be possible.
While its cool , its just way too expensive to make any sense in a retro handheld currently. I can see it making its way down in price in a few years tho then it would probably be great. But this soc costs like $200, even with discounts from mass purchases that means a retro handheld with this soc would be like $300-350 minimum. Makes no sense when you can get an AYN Odin Pro for less than that, and a steam deck for just a little more
Don't forget the new Aya neo and ayn 300 handhelds, unless an android handheld with this costed less than 200 i don't think it would sell well.
TBH I already sick with many Emulation reviewer who keep saying this is powerful to play anything, this is probably just me but I more than happy with my cheap phone who can play up to NDS and PSP.
For those that want a more pocketable portable, and don't mind the premium, it wouldn't be bad
@@bhirawamaylana466 What do you mean? Don't you like a device that can play up to ps2? But anyway it's about a person needs; if you care for psp and less, that's really just good on you! But then we had devices that could play those games for a very long time already, so it's only natural that the further we go, the more powerful chips are going to be
I don't get it. There are plenty of Galaxy Note 10s or comparable used phones on ebay for $200. Pair it with one of those Razer controllers, and you have a snapdragon 855 portable handheld thats separate from your daily driver phone (idk why people are so obsessed with having a dedicated device)
The fact that an SBC which costs a little over half that of a Switch can run ANY of the same games, especially under emulation, is amazing.
The switch is over 4 years old shut up about it. It was outdated on the cpu when it came out.
@@shlokshah5379 Me on my way to find out who asked
the switch uses a 5 year old arm tegra SOC. these other arm chips don't actually have to do much emulation, just have a decent gpu and a driver that works.
@@PaulSpades I didn't think about that aspect; i.e., since they both use ARM architecture, the emulation layer won't be nearly as "thick" as, say, if a switch emu were running on an x86-based machine. If they ever have these or Khadas boards (another high performance RockChip based SBC you've probably heard of) back in stock, I'm definitely using one for my portable emulation handheld. Let's hope that these aren't more small companies which fall victim to the supply chain shortage and go out of business.
Wow, this is great to see. Finally a small SBC that can handle all the standard def consoles for a reasonable price. Another revision or two to smooth things out and it will definitely be something to pick up.
3ds emulator Citra is still work in progress. Oh man i never had 3ds because it is not available in my country so I play on my mobile via Citra emulator. The emulator run fines on some games but my phone got so much hotter other emulators are not get hot like this. On other side Nintendo ds emulator drastic is so much optimised that I can play any games on it. When i had 1 gb ram phone in 2014 i run drastic emulator games smoothly than ppsspp emulator.
1 year later and we finally have the first retro handheld boasting this chip. I hope to see you do a review of the GF Ace soon!
OMG crazy amazing performance! I was hoping you test rogue galaxy on ps2, still this is amazing. Cant wait this get implement on handheld!
I'll add that game to my testing set.
@@TakiUdon YES! Thank you so much.
It should run at full speed.
This is definitely exciting. I have an old Lenovo Yoga Y500 Laptop that I sometimes use for emulation. It has slightly better Geekbench scores at 678 Single Core and 2489 multi. It's no graphics powerhouse at this point with it's NVIDIA GeForce GT650M graphics card and a Timespy score of 603. Yet it runs Gamecube, Wii, and PS2 Emulation at Full Speed on a 15 inch 1080p screen with no problems. This little board should be amazing in a handheld.
Dude, you're the best for taking technical lingo and relaying it to the average consumer. I just point all my customers in your direction and with top notch content like this, I will continue to do so in our shop. Thank you "Retro Neil deGrasse Tyson"! You've turned curiosity into customers, customers into competitors and creators themselves. We have a thriving local retro scene here, and we owe alot of that credit and inspiration to you. Cheers Taki!
Imagine this in a laptop with boosted clocks ofcourse. Maxed out GPU and cpu. A newer chip probably would reach i3 levels of performance while drawing about 15 watts. That will improve battery life so much NGL. Kinda like the macbooks. Almost 4 times the battery life of most x86 laptops.
The eta prime emulation is very good too!
Thanks for the birthday surprise Taki
Gotta wait a few years if you want this in a small device at a low price. Great performance though.
Love this!!! Great video dude!
Imagine
a tiny raspberry pi like device running GameCube!
Why is this running Mario Galaxy better than my Steam Deck?
This build of Dolphin would give better performance to you on the SD if there was a port. The closest thing you could get would be to try the ishiiruka dolphin build.
The RK3588 could be a game changer for ARM devices at the lower end of the SBC/TV Box/handheld market. Once they start to get into Intel/AMD price territory though, appeal will wane except for perhaps gaming handhelds. As nice as the Firefly model is concerned, the price looks high and when the Radxa model is finally available, it will look considerably more attractive at its lower price point. The game demo was impressive and it was nice to see a great variety on display. One way or another, I will be ditching AMLogic for this SOC when we se the full range of products on offer.
No entiendo el inglés pero new sub Compa uff se vienen buenos tiempos con proyectos legendarios 🇲🇽✨🤘🏻
Finally something that can run Dragon Quest 🔥😁
$400? Id rather buy a $400 used snapdragon phone instead. Then usb c to hdmi out connected to my tv.
This would be pretty cool to put in an arcade cabinet.
I'm shocked at how smooth Shadow of the Colossus runs on this thingy
For that price, I don't know, I think 6600U, 6800U or potentially Mediatek 1000series/Qualcomm 870 are more promising.
great video!
edit : btw what housing/ case did you use for this board?
My Poco F3 has a 40% higher benchmark score with a custom rom, it doesn't require active cooling and it's just a smartphone... Am I crazy or these devices are just not necessary? What's the appeal? The integrated game pad?
it is a amazing performance i hope you can make one more video about this Tiny Chip i want se more of switch enulator
also wii u and ps3 and xbox i think those systems work well to
Love the new intro
Cool stuff but I'm calling you out in some of those clips. No way were some of those actually 60fps like you say.
SBCs are getting mighty close to be playing upto PS3/X360 era, thats when I will go for one an upgrade over my Pi4. Ive heard AMD want to start making GPUs for SBCs using their RDNA technology, that will be interesting :D
Hi, in the preview image, you showed an handheld device.
When people present this kind of SBC, are there any "universal devices" ready to plug your sbc into? did you plugged your sbc into it or is "just to put it into the backround"? (no mean intended) also cause of the large fan and heating dissipation device you showed.
Thanks in advance
@Enter Name thanks, I thought so and it seemed a switch lite, but with psp and the other stuff aside and all the handhelds, I thought it could have been a kinda knock-off or similar of a switch
For the Citra emulator, which version did you use? Is it the Google Play/Official one?
Citra mmj
MMJ (build was from two weeks back).
Ah i see, thank you for the answers because Official version seems to have a hard time running any games i give to it
I thought by the thumbnail you had to put it in the Switch
I'll just wait and buy a Steam Deck.
I only catch afew of these videos every now and then. Is this hardware in a handheld right now? And you say gamecube and 3ds dont work well.... does that mean unplayable? Cause the gamecube stuff looked decent.
Hey Taki! Can you test the Avatar (The Last Airbender) games someday in your reviews?
For some reason, I always get color errors in them when using hardware rendering. At first I thought it was because of the device (Mediatek Helio G80), but the same happened in my notebook using PCSX2. Now I don't know if the problem is related to configuration, the ROM used or something about the emulators.
🤦♂️No. We are looking forward to the review and tests of the Pentium 8505 and Celeron 7305.
Is this chip more powerful than the Pentium 8505 or the 7305?
@@tamim4235 of course not. And it costs more than they do. But most importantly, portable consoles on Pentium and Celeron are cheaper, more powerful and have the entire library of windows games. + more performance in emulators.
Some emulators support texture packs, and given how powerful is this SBC (along with the 8gb of RAM), it shouldn't have issues running them. Especially convenient to enhance these games on a big screen. Please make a video testing this, it's never seen outside PC realm.
@@bulletpunch9317 But at this point you also have texture packs for Dreamcast, N64, PS1, PS2, PSP, 3DS. Not sure about current support on Android emulators though.
If only Snapdragon SBCs were a thing. That would blow away everything else.
Cool board definitely. Just too expensive in my opinion. Firefly’s 3588s 8 g ram 64 g emmc is over 320$ ! Too high. The Rock5b is more affordable although who knows when (or at this point if) this “fabled” single board computer is gonna be released
Ya, it's kind of strange that Firefly is on to their second (3rd?) 3588 product when other companies haven't put out their first. I don't know how they got this much of a lead over the competition. Their products are usually priced higher than others, but they do provide OTA software updates for several of their boards, so they must spread out the cost for a lot of things.
@@TakiUdon that makes sense. I’m so tempted to grab the firefly joint but patience is a virtue I suppose
So, this SoC is already an older design that's been delayed and it still comes in with a hefty price tag 🤔
When it comes to emulation, that SBC is no competition against an used computer in that price range, interesting but not viable...
What button mapping do you use for games like Super Mario Galaxy and Skyward Sword on Wii?
SMG = wiimote shake x/y/z all bound to L2 or R2.
@@TakiUdon how about the pointer? is it working or are you using Skip EFB access in hacks settings to run the game at full speed?
The fan looks like the Nespi 4 fan
Mr Taki, I been enjoying your videos and reviews since you started, could you please recomend me what computer/affordable may I get to run ps2 and wii U flaulessy (and not burn it), I did not have a good enough ones to run them well
If you want an affordable device would recommend current handheld consoles such as the Odin, steam deck. I have the aya neo which is more expensive but runs ps2 games perfectly using the pscx2 emulator
Cool board but is there a Handheld Shell we can use to put this in and play?
I am starting to wonder what the difference is between like - this board, the orange pi 5 series, the edge 2 etc. like the specs are the same, in the case of the opi5 ive got a board with dual channel 16gb but im struggling to find a vulkan driver on anything other than android, and because i have steam running on linux id prefer to get vulkan running so i could do everything your doing plus play x86 pc games, since i can already play x86 linux native titles. In fact didn't taki show the edge 2 doing just that? how do you enable steam proton on these rk3588s with mali g610 mp4 graphics 8-16gb ram etc they're all oddly the same. So like how did he get proton working? I've tried wine, I've done box86, box 64, panfork, mesa, etc etc
Did you find a solution this? I have been wanting to get emulation working on this for a while now. I swapped the OS to the station M3 OS and that worked well to make the android experience less clunky. I still have not been able to get something like batocera linux or a decent front end to work in android to use this thing. It's been sitting in a drawer almost since when I bought it a year ago.
Taki you know the first handheld Anbernic or.another using this ..
Which android rom are you using in the video?
Starts at $220? YIKES !!!
Did you ever do a video on Red magic 7 pro and emulation?
Do you think that a gamepad and screen, like those rg350 with batery might fit?
steambot chroniclers never gets the show light of any game test~
How does this preform better than my galaxy fold with citra
This chip is pricey around 300$ pricey plus shipping around 50$ bucks can't afford this cause doesn't include the set up BUT this is great improvement
I think this board starts at $219? You can get a RK3588 board for as low as $189 (4GB mem, 32G storage, excluding shipping/taxes)). Still waiting for the Radxa Rock 5 (starts at $129 and I think you can still get a $50 discount code).
@@LivingLinux yap the 4gb ver is around that price but not including shipping..shiping cost 20-50$ depending where you are still you need at least 250-300$ total with a setup that includes power cable hdmi etc etc .. chip only will cost 180$ total with shiping
if i have to guess, the next switch will be as powerful, if not more, than this
Actually, considering someone modded a RPi 3 to fit into a PS Vita, I was wondering if someone can fit a RK3588 into a PS Vita for emulation. :D
Off-topic but do you know what the most powerful fanless retro handheld is? Thanks.
Odin Lite if you never use the fan. If you are talking about devices that don't even include a fan at all, you'd be looking at something like the RP2+.
Also if you’re having to mess with settings just to get the emulators to work then that isn’t good. Which is why with anything from nes to ps1 these days anything up to ps1 will always run smoothly
crazy- on my Snapdragon 888, Citra for 3DS doesn't run this well. Return of Samus, even at the original resolution, is unplayable.
@@bulletpunch9317 I haven't tried for a few months- maybe citris has had some good updates, or maybe the play store version is nerfed.
That geekbench score is pretty weak, you're right. Makes me wonder why I wouldn't just buy a Galaxy S10 with a cracked screen for less, and still get better performance...
The Snapdragon 888 is generally heavily throttled on a phone and never has a good chance to "stretch it's legs." An SBC doesn't have this problem, especially with active cooling.
I have the S21 so I'm aware of the strengths and limitations of the chip.
@@ezg8448 I wish there were snapdragon boards you could buy.
@@MrHamncheez - Agreed
Почти на каждой стстеме статоры... Он что, слепой?! Глаза же режет.
Does the amount of ram makes a difference in emulation performance?
Man oh man, with the number of Handhelds out now and coming soon to market, I am going broke for sure!
Super exciting!
Should really compare different cpu directly when sharing benchmarks. Otherwise they’re fairly useless. Normal people don’t know what to make out of a 4k Vulcan score.
Diablo mortal probably sees it as a PC
What is the general performance in Lunix?
💥💥💥💥💥220 DOLLARS💥💥💥💥💥
Well. Why would you need a switch emulator the console itself and games and aren’t hard to come by are still being made
so here's my question, can you hook up two screens and turn this into a 3ds?
I'm ready man
Wont be in retro handhelds for years. This soc costs the same as an AYN ODin pro
So to which snapdragon does it compare? I'd say the 865 but I don't know
Thanks for the tip I like it a lot,But it cost a lot 20grand on Philippine pesos.
Is this equal to the latest Snapdragon?
While it looks good ect... For this is more about preservation than anything else. Great games that came out on platforms just before next generation equipment hits the market and whole libraries of awesome titles go poof gone. This drive to make video games life like at times creeps me out actually. Perhaps I'm just crazy after all? I feel we have far to many choices and these companies put a premium on because "collectors market" not sure what the answer is.
pretty expensive though
Is this powerful enough to emulate Wii U games
While options are generally a good thing, I never like the look of 4:3 games running in 16:9.
Now put this on a handheld gaming form (with 5 to 6 inches screen) then sell me one! :)
That would be amazing
What is the price??
These are snapdragon 865 specs?
does this support single cable display out through USB-C?
I wonder if it can be installled with SteamOS.
Impressive
What Operating System? Bliss OS? Android x86?
Android 12
Is this comparable to the odin pro?
Yes it can run anything,
Yet the sound stutter everywhere...
For the price point, Nah, gonna skip this...
How much does this cost?
wow... want...
awesome
Metal Gear Solid 2 was at 60, but ran slowly. Why?
Underclocking - I was trying to show that the game does not run well.
@@TakiUdon I think that rain scene is the most taxing on PS2 hardware for this game. Maybe performance could get better further along it, but with the current state of AetherSX2 it might be a while before this could be playable.
Any modern flagship smartphone is much more powerful...
yes but this thing costs like 200 dollars compared to modern smart phone that are like 2000
The clickbait is strong here, you didnt show any switch emulation(only some indie ports not main AAA graphic demanding titles)and I highly doubt this is capable of that, It could be good for older gen behind ps3/xbox era or retro consoles but modern ones like switch is a big no.
if u really wanna test ps2 emulation try star ocean 3 or rogue galaxy (this one really tests out ps2)
Someone suggested RG, so I'm going to start including that game.
On my aya neo using the ps2 emulator pcsx2 I currently have: crash twinsanity, simpsons hit and run, futurama, raw danger!, disaster report, ratchet and clank, ratchet and clank 2, jak 2 renegade all play pretty much perfectly
If you really want to test ps2 emulation, Valkyrie Profile for the PS2, is the answer. That is one of the most console pushing games that pushes even the physical ps2 hardware to it's limits
Great performance but for the price I’ll stick to my poco f2 pro for emulation
could you retry this with linux
it's impressive if it can do ps3 emulation
Bruh ps3 emulation on Android doesn't exist
3ds emulator Devs so lazy , they can't make that emulator perfect like eathersx2
can you stick in a switch :)
Yeah doesn't matter how great this board is, it's 1. way to expensive and 2. I got burned multiple times buying Chinese boards with proprietary technology that just seize being updated after you hand over the money.
Todo lindo hasta que ves el precio 😅
these chips will never reach the snapdragon level optamization and performance (Since most emulators are meant to run better on snapdragon)
"Tiny chip"