Shyamalan's KNOCK AT THE CABIN Feels Kinda Gross | MOVIE AND BOOK Ending Explained
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THE CABIN AT THE END OF THE WORLD by Paul Tremblay is Shyamalan's latest template for a movie.. and I have a lot of mixed feelings about it
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Knock at the Cabin feels gross - บันเทิง
"You can see what they're going with for the four of them, between Rupert Grint who has a red shirt, Dave Bautista is named Leonard..." me, only half listening while cooking: "Ah yes, the ninja turtles."
Obviously they are going for board game pieces... Right? 🤣
"Wait, why didn't the nurse lady take out her bo staff?"
I was playing a game while listening and I thought of power rangers when she said that 😭
SCREAM
LMFAO
See, as a lesbian, I think the reason it felt icky to me is that I have legitimately been told that my existence is the apocalypse. That I shouldn't be able to adopt kids or get married or live happily ever after. When I was a kid I wasn't aware that other gay people existed. I knew I liked girls before I knew other girls liked girls too. I was introduced to the fact that other people liked the same gender in a church sermon and then I was immediately told, that's a sin. And I'm probably around the same age as Amanda, younger if anything.
So much of homophobia is interlaced with religious rhetoric. And it seems like a cruel joke that the "God" of this movie wants a gay family to destroy themselves to save the world. Because in some ways that seems exactly like what's actually happening in real life. There are those who legitimately believe in like Sodom and Gomorrah and all that shit. They believe that gay people getting married and starting families is apocalyptic. And obviously we know it's not. But this movie proves them right. It's a movie in which a gay person dies so that the straights can live. It's a terrible (if inadvertent message).
The book ending differently is important. It's important because the two men reject the premise. They go hey, man that's messed up that "God" would make us choose, and we refuse to do so. It's a much more coherent metaphor. They're saying no "God" worthy of respect would make us choose, so if that's what's being asked of us, we refuse. We refuse to change who we are.
That's why it feels wrong to me to use a gay couple in this movie. Because we only just got the ability to start a family. We only just got the right to get married. It's all way too fresh for it to not read like some weird convoluted metaphor insisting that gay people should just de-gay themselves for the betterment of society. And I'm not saying that's M. Knight's intended messaging, but that's what I walked away from the theater thinking.
Perfectly said
Yeah, 100% agree and that's what I was thinking a lot through this video. Like, I do see the value in and enjoy media where queer people are just queer and it's not a huge deal, or tragic, or the central element of the plot, where we're just allowed to exist as ourselves and not have it be the only thing about us. But this reeeaaally feels like the wrong place to do it. You also need to be aware that queer people have a very different perspective on a lot of things, coming from a very different history of existing in society, and you need to be aware of when that perspective, that history will have a serious impact on what's happening in the story. This feels like an example of a situation where the queer perspective, both in the world of the story and in the way the story is written, is necessary, we can't just be a stand-in for a generic happy family. Religion, violence, family, love, compulsion, sacrifice, death, these are all things that many, many queer people have a very different experience of from non-queer people, and the story feels flatter and weaker and more hollow without taking that into account.
This. As another lesbian..... Yeah. Yeah.
all of this! i'm also a lesbian. i was just writing up my own comment about how uncomfortable i feel and was trying to figure out why i felt gross. the film ending reeks of the 'bury your gays' trope and while i hope its unintentional, it still shows through. i find the book ending weirdly much more hopeful because no matter what happens there's love. meanwhile the movie gets. . . grief? i guess? and insane trauma? but its okay because the world moves on and homophobes still get to terrorize these people as they grieve. its confusing and twisted to me. i have more thoughts but i'll put it elsewhere. thanks for helping me realize what's felt off.
i agree especially with the point of how fresh gay families actually are ESPECIALLY in media. Very rarely do we see normal, functioning gay parents as the main people on screen, so for one of those few moments to be them needing to sacrifice their family to save the world from ‘god’ while using metaphors from the bible is so very icky.
there will be a day where you can casually throw in a gay couple into one of these types of stories, but not now. not when the wound of the past is barely healing.
What? Shyamalan ignoring the original source material to make his own, let's say "unique", take on the story? I would have never thought based on his incredibly "accurate" avatar movie lol
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@@somerandolad right?! Like there wasn't even the translation excuse. His team just needed to watch the show and they would've been fine
@@AmandaTheJedi even with the sarcasam, it hurt to call that movie accurate
The book felt well intentioned but still stank of cishet perspective that carried weird homophobic readings for me. Like this weird frequency of putting a queer character’s life vs the saving the world by nature does carry homophobic tone cause it says lgbtq+ are in the way of the good of many. I’ve seen this in life is strange & TLOU, while I don’t think that’s intended takeaway by writers it’s so frequent it comes across almost like a form of internalized homophobia.
Both film & book seem they’re trying to dodge homophobia but end up perpetuating it more than anything. The book at least feels like you can read it condemning the cruelty of homophobia that dominates our world and in some part condemning the idea forcing a queer sacrifice or idea of sacrifice at all as cruel. But the film ends up feeling like it validates the underlying homophobic themes by having the death of a gay man save the world. The book feels like there’s some positive messaging for queer audience & makes cishet readers a lil reflective, but the film feels like just more misery porn that justifies the brutality against us.
I feel like a better adaptation of this story would’ve been to have had Redmond just be like a psychic mastermind &/or manipulator or something & actually made it he was responsible for the dream/compulsions the other visitors went through in an attempt to get revenge for his imprisonment against the queer family. Then have the queer family not kill each other & stick it out till the end while having other cabin visitors reflect on they were manipulated by a vengeful homophobe. It maintains the agency of the queer family in refusing to give in & be forced to destroy themselves & just makes the metaphor their fighting against homophobia & religious doomsdayism targeting of their marginalization.
His Avatar 'movie' was very accurate to the story of the TV show. They didn't really change anything. It just was made unbelievably poorly and had the worst casting ever.
butista really needs to be cast in more leading/main roles in movies fr he's such a good actor and has shown he has the chops for something thats not just comedic releif
he mentioned wanting to be in a romcom, I would love that
@@georginaocampo9385 he would be so good in a role like that, i could see it happening now they aren't really type-casting those kinda movies anymore
@@morg2040 He's been wasted in wrestling for so long. You can see him early in the beginning that his humour, that he's got an emotional bent; i want to see him in some dramatic roles.
given the opportunity, he'd be great, and would be nice to see big mofo guys setup as real characters than just big dumb violence.
Violence, yeah... something like History of Violence, etc.
Yes! He was so good in the latest Bladerunner movie and made me wish there was more of his character.
@@georginaocampo9385 I'd watch that.... hes a sexy dude! I'd love to see him in a romantic role, since he's, like Amanda said, a brick house of a man... plus he's got the gruff face. Seeing him twitter-patted over someone would be amazing
As someone on the internet said, 'Life is like a M. Night Shyamalan movie, you never know what you're going to get'
That's not how that infamous quote from Forrest Gump goes.
He's like the film version of kojima, but shyamlan hits or miss's. He's a very good director. But it's where he's going with it. I love unbreakable, but glass, I love but .... hate to say ut fall flat when main hero drowns in a puddle.... maybebwe will see something from it years time and we are ignorant on the message. Except village, why God why....
I think you mean "you never know what you're going to get, but it's usually disappointing'?
…but it’s probably not good
I feel this Night dude's output is downright bipolar. I don't know of a film maker who's made something as good as 6th sense and as bad as Old.
Amanda: do we really need them to spell out everything?
Me: *who didn’t understand they’re the four horseman until Amanda explicitly explained it* … yes.
I'll admit I didn't know what she was talking about but at the same time, subtlety has not been part of M. Night's skill set for quite some time
I thought it was different races, (white, black, Asian and Native American) like all the world is coming together in spirit to stop the end of the world. But then again I'm not Christian so I didn't know there were colors associated with the Four Horsemen and wouldn't have jumped to that conclusion. But then again this is a story about the apocalypse so maybe I should have seen it.
I agree, there are many people who are not Christian and aren't familiar with the four-horseman story, as was I. So while it might be evident to her or other Christian audiences, if the movie was not only aimed at them explanation is needed in my opinion.
@@yaelginzburg4242yeah, I didn't see anything wrong with the depiction even as I saw it myself.
@@yaelginzburg4242 The Book of Revalation is one of the most iconic and widely known parts of the Bible. They show up very frequently in pop culture as harbingers of doom and destruction. You not knowing about them speaks to your lack of cultural and literary education, not your religion. It's like saying that you don't know who Achilles is because you weren't taised to worship the Greek gods.
I hate to admit it but I am the person the movie needed to spell out the four horsemen for. Having never heard of the movie or book, I 100% thought this was a Power Rangers reference leading to the scariest twist of all, M. Night coming for your childhood.
I got oddly into revelations around Supernatural season 5 so maybe I'm just primed for it but I still wish it had been handled with a bit more pizazz in the movie if they were gonna drop it out there
Oh, I thought she was saying "foreign intruders" and the colors were supposed to be like "skin color" representation. So I was trying to figure out if there was some kind of colonialism angle.
My brain automatically connected the shirt colors to Star Trek, so I guess we’re all a little confused in different ways haha.
@@AmandaTheJedi I love how SPN portrayed it. Hate how this movie did it.
Literally me
"Why would they want to play into whatever higher power determined that her death wasn't enough?" Damn... I loved that. Like, if you take away the value I see in the world, why would I care enough about it to sacrifice myself? Made me think about that quote about revenge, a response to "killing me won't bring them back" that goes more or less like "There's nothing you can do to bring them back so there's nothing you can do to save yourself"
I can’t for the life of me remember where that quote is from. Does anyone know?
I feel like this is my problem with a lot of his movies, where the endings don't quite match up with the themes of the rets of the film
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The book ending reminds of the ‘Cabin in the Woods’ ending, where the savior characters decide “if this is the cost of saving the world, the world isn’t worth saving”
The book sounds SO much more interesting than the movie. What was even the point of making the movie with such a massive change?
The earthquake hit Syria as well. Because of the sanctions, there isn’t nearly enough aid. Volunteers who have been around during some of the most severe points in the war say that this is the worst disaster they have ever seen. If you could update the links to places that will also send aid to Syria, I’m sure it would be very much appreciated. Thanks for putting links in regardless though.
i think the second option has links for Syria as well but if you have any specific recommendations!
Yep, there is one listing on there that does go to Syria. Most places are sending most of the aid to Turkey, leaving Syria with little to no resources, because of the US sanctions. It’s tough to find places that aren’t just shifting funds to the easiest place to get them to. Red Crescent is pretty decent, cause it’ll allow you to donate directly to Syria. The WFP also has Syria specific funds. Syria Relief based in the UK is also a good option. UNICEF also has a Syria-specific fund, but I’d be apprehensive to recommend them cause of their rocky past with humanitarian efforts on this side of the world.
Anyway, I don’t think you need to update your links in the description. I would make a little note in there though to say you forgot to mention Syria in the video and to look for links that specifically mention sending aid to Syria, since various aid organisations aren’t sending anything their way.
It’s mind boggling to me that the US seems to think sanctions don’t harm the people in countries where sanctions are imposed. It’s even more mind boggling that they’re attempting to justify not sending aid because they don’t want “Assad to torture people with the aid”. That’s a whole other can of worms though.
Thanks for using your platform so responsibly! I know it isn’t much, but I really do appreciate it.
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I totally agree with you on the gay bit. That line was so infuriating. It's like "homophobes are people too! we're just 1 gay couple, they're thousands of people" Like it would have been better if they just. cut that conversation completely. And also left the ending of whether the apocalypse was real or not to be ambiguous- cuz thats the horror there. That their sacrifice might have been for nothing.
This movie hurt. It came off as another "bury your gays because the world will be better trope." That is not the message we need.
God you know it’s bad when “yeah the ending with the child dying was better” is the conclusion 🤦🏼♀️
Lol
It’s not bad at all. People just like to criticize whatever the fuck they can. Good movie to start off the year
@@quezadilla8658no. just no💀💀
@@earthmane uh… yeah
Well, it was. 🤷🏼♀️
Speaking of cabins, this reminds me of the ending of the Cabin in The Woods. They choose not to sacrifice , end of the world be damned, and something about that really resonates with me. Is sacrificing another really worth pleasing something cruel to preserve the world we know? Granted Cabin in the Woods is also allegorically about the horror genre as a whole, so less spiritually driven in its ethical debate about sacrifice, but the book and film's differences brought it to mind.
Finally I was waiting for someone to mention Cabin in the Woods. Straight up thought this was some weird sequel when I saw the trailer
One of the early book covers references the cabin in the woods movie poster!
only thing i found unbelievable is that they thought bautista got through that window. i don’t even think his arm would fit through
Ngl I do get why sometimes adaptations need to change certain things to fit the medium but Shayamalan's take just feels disrespectful and narcissistic. Like the book's ending is sad and ambiguous but the ambiguity works in delivering such a powerful message-"Of what use is a world that does not have you in it?"
It's devastating. It's depressing. It's hollow.
But that's the point.
The movie just feels.. disappointing when compared to that.
the author approved change
@@gabnel1000that doesn’t mean it’s good
@@gabnel1000 then the author did a dumb thing lol
@@elisabethscott20 well that's your opinion, you're not the author
@@gabnel1000 like being the author of a book means your ideas are great and changes you approve are too for a movie. You say the same for JK Rowling?
okay, from what you say, I'm kinda glad Wen doesn't die on the movie BUT that ending on the book is really good, specially the whole thing of "their world was already shattered, why stop the apocalypse?"
That’s one interpretation. Because the book is so much more ambiguous I saw their choice more as a refusal to engage with a cruel, potentially still made up ultimatum then “we already suffered so screw it” message. It’s a message I really connected with as a person who is constantly frustrated by people who act out of fear and belief rather than evidence and compassion.
yeah so now billions of other kids can die. the og makes them look selfish
@@ourladyofperpetualskepticism right the book ending sounds so much better. Them being chosen for this sacrifice seems arbitrary at best even if they weren't specifically chosen because they're gay by whatever god decided this and then when one of them dies like he wanted, he still says "nope not good enough", I can't say for certain I'd react differently.
@@SmolGriffithbut that's just it right? If YOUR world is shattered who cares about THE world at large
@@LangkeeLongkee killing millions of kids cause you're sad makes me hate your stupid character
As horrible as it sounds, as soon as I saw the trailer my first thought was, “The only right choice for the plot is for Wen to die.”
I barely even knew the plot, but to me, whether one of the dads died by choice or not by choice, it would be expected, whereas Wen’s death would be horrific and tragic, it would be unexpected and heart-wrenching and deeply upsetting, but it would give the plot the depth and tragedy that this kind of story needs. Otherwise, the narrative doesn’t need her. That’s the thing about the movie adaptation-Wen isn’t necessary anymore. It could’ve been made with just the husbands and nearly the same message would be conveyed.
I honestly thought that, since she seemed like an intelligent little girl in the trailers, that she might see her dads arguing over the idea of sacrificing themselves, over who should do it (with both being willing to do it) and decide that she’s going to do it, because she loves her dads and she’s scared and the world seems to be ending but she can stop it, right? Her dads will stop arguing and the world will be okay and she won’t be scared anymore.
The description of her death in the books is so incredibly haunting and I like the book ending much better. Not giving into whatever compulsion or belief system seemed to be occurring, because Wen’s death wasn’t enough because it wasn’t willing. That’s far more compelling and tragic than what the movie tried to do.
Your theory is so much better than the movie.
@@daphnecui4595 and with her being adopted she could have reasoning like "i was lucky to have few happy days in my life, many children in my situation never get adopted and die miserably, i can sacrifice myself spare my parents from making a choice and even if i dont save the world, i might save another childs life, by getting them adopted"
@@tatiana4050 they could’ve even tried to set this part of her character up by making her into superheroes or wanting to be a firefighter or some other heroic, dangerous profession, quietly establishing the idea that Wen one day wants to save lives. Even just her playing with superhero toys or having a backpack or plushie that’s related to superheroes would’ve been enough to foreshadow her willingly sacrificing herself despite being a little kid.
@@tatiana4050 I dunno about all that lol you putting a lot of deep mental and philosophical attributes into a child lol
I was literally terrified that was exactly why Wen was in the movie. I kept waiting for things to suddenly calm down and it pans over to Wen and she's like "I didn't want you to have to choose." or something.
I think another thing is that :"would you save a world that is cruel to you ?". The homophobic attack and the fact that he can't appear as Wen's dad at the adoption center show it quite well
You would unless you were objectively the biggest narcissist that ever lived.
I mean there are tons of children & people in the world who don’t hate gay people… there are even other gay people *gasp* so that whole thing is a bit dumb
Have you ever heard of a man named Jesus Christ? There is a book called the Bible about how he sacririced himself to save others, despite the world being very cruel to him.
Good for Bautista! Just wish Shyamalan didn't miss the point of a story by 65% every time.
Or perhaps it is you missing the point? Turn own the ego a notch and perhaps new wisdom may become available.
@@QuantumWavesMTE no need to be pretentious. They didn't say he's clueless
@@jasonellis4330 Just suggestion OC evaluate his perspective as there could be something to gain from it. Take it as pretentious if you will, I suppose.
@@QuantumWavesMTE I will, because your tone reads as extremely pretentious
@@QuantumWavesMTE theres not its a m night movie. ya gain nothing deeper but surface level pretentiousness from it like youre doing now. its like a hipster in the 2010s.
I read an article on Vox that totally spoiled the endings of both the film and the book, and I pretty much thought what you're thinking, only the book sounds even better after the details you described.
At this point, the greatest twist Shyamalan could pull is doing a straight adaptation of a work with no changes to the ending.
Religious people making a gay man kill his lover shown as a good thing is... a very weird image... I know it's unintentional but I can't unsee it
I'm hopeful Dave Bautista has a varied career from now on. He's too good to be pigeonholed in gag roles.
As far as Knock at the Cabin goes I think it's on the lower end of good for Shyamalan. It's almost as good as his early stuff but my favorite of his last few movies. I do want to see the M Night succeed but man the way people talk about him on Twitter and Letterboxd makes me think I'm just seeing different movies.
The book ending sounds sooooo much better, I like the idea that it doesn't really matter and the point is that it's wrong
I got the four horsemen thing, but not before I thought this was about the four humors? “What does bile have to do with home invasion?”
I was considering to go watch this, but even I went "Fuck off" after the "your family's love is so pure" line 🤣
I think Wen's different ending in the movie really cemented how weird the family felt. Grief is an excellent way horror writers can demonstrate real love, and most people can empathize with that better than the ending that happened. The family in the movie was pleasant, but it doesn't feel a lot deeper bc horror stories don't give a lot of avenues for characters to express love organically, and I think it's mainly best accomplished through fear (which can be selfish/self preserving and serve an entirely different purpose) and grief. It's why the Last of Us episode 3 was so damn good. Grief, real true grief from an irreversible loss, is such an impactful AND relatively easy way to demonstrate the depths of love in a horror story that doesn't allow a lot of room for a love story to breathe or be fully realized by the audience.
Also, as a queer person who is desperately in love, I can't even fathom my partner convincing me to k*ll him. I would literally k*ll everyone else and say "fuck it, let's spend our last days together". Like, it's just a thing most people in love can't empathize with, so it doesn't feel like they're as much in love
I completely agree! The grief in the book really t brought you closer to Andrew and Eric, and really had you feel their discussion at the very end.
After the movie proposed the idea that Redmond was the basher I spent way too much time waiting for an explanation for how the others were going to be connected only for it to never happen lol. It was kinda weird how the movie wanted you to believe everyone was randomly chosen yet also wanted you to believe everyone was picked to specifically for their role.
And honestly the fact one of the chosen was a gay basher with a very personal history with them makes it look like he was chosen specifically to sow more doubt and make everybody more indecisive and cause more deaths.
I like that you note the earnestness of Shyamalan's work; I hadn't really realised what it was that makes me feel bad for not enjoying some of his worst efforts, but that made it click for me that it is the sense that someone behind the camera genuinely poured his heart and soul into some of these misshapen teapots of movies that makes their failure to land just a little bit heartbreaking.
a part of humanity has been judged 😢
I'd say you can still hate Lady in the Water guilt-free though given how unapologetic it is in it's self-indulgence and ego stroking
I don’t mind changes, that has to happen with any adaptation. But changing the ending of this particular story completely goes against and undermines the themes of the original book. That’s what I have a problem with.
Plus it feels like it feeds into “homosexuality is a sin” thing even though they tried to ward off that kind of commentary with the “your love is pure”… :/
@@micahcook2408 That would be projection.
@@QuantumWavesMTE Eh, no, not really, when the original ending is ambiguous, while the film ending is saying "Yes, God is real"; plus it's using these human characters as an Allegory for the Christian Figures in the Bible, so it's not really far fetch for that sort of anecdote/thought to be picked up by zealots/evangelicals tbh... I mean a lot of them use Lord of the Rings and various other secular media as a basis for why their faith and the bible are 100% spot on about everything lol
@@QuantumWavesMTE it just kind of seems like you’re pissed everyone doesn’t agree on the ending and/or doesn’t like the film… while ignoring that some in this comment section do like it, but just dislike the ending… You’re also just ignoring the praise that Bautista’s performance is getting by Amanda and people in the comment section…
Besides, majority of critics and audiences gave this movie a positive review, so I don’t understand how one film commentary review on TH-cam is making you think “society” is just like the commentary in the film and everyone is unintelligent. Lighten up. Plus… it’s kind of warranted that this type of critique would be made because… surprise! : People tend to dislike Shyamalan’s recent films… it’s not new. -__-
@@QuantumWavesMTE dude either be pretentious or actually have a well thought out argument. youre getting boring and lazy with shit like this.
This film feels like Shyamalan watched Good Omens and thought, "Hhmmm, that was good, but I can do better."
I only got the 4 horsemen coz of good omens
and then he didn't XD
that book/show really did do a better job than shamallamadingdong at exploring the themes of love and sacrifice in an apocalyptic setting, huh.
And he was dead wrong lol
Okay the extra funny thing about using the name Rory is that I'm pretty sure that name means something like "red king." So they actively went out of their way to give him another "red" name instead of using the one for the book 😂
somethings never change, and shyamalan's narcissism is definitely one of those things
Also he's the walking example of the Dunning Kruger effect.
That's a twist we all could easily see coming.
@@theblackbaron4119 that's a feeling I've had in a few of his films, it's like he has a nugget of solid information but instead of learning more about it he just shoves it in the movie to make it interesting
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@@airplanes_aren.t_real Yep, he mentooned something about getting inspired by Jurassic Park, where you have a truth in there, and then use it to create a fantastical story. I think it was in an interview for Split.
How dare someone fund their own movies and reap the benefits from it. How narcissistic ! Narcissistic is slowly turning into im mad im not as successful as you
David Bautista and Rupert Grint need to be cast in more movies. Also, James Somerton did a great video essay about this movie here on TH-cam. I agree with you, Amanda- it sounds like the movie could have been a lot better.
Do you have a link to said video?
Yeeee Bautista! He really just loves acting and gives it his all. Someone give this giant teddy of a man a rom-com.
Wrestling was kinda that. Weird artificial relationships and sone latent homo shit by yelling each others names. Wrestling is weird
i worry they'd make his character such a caricature it would ruin his image. make him a quasimodo type or an incoherent, dumb mountain of a guy. i would love to see a sincere, regular, cheesy rom-com with a big guy like that though. make him a real intelligent, succesful guy. maybe a passionate cook or weight-lifter or both or something like that idk
@@ps1hagridoufofcharacter exactly 💯 he's a lovely dude. Apparently he never gets offers for romantic parts and thinks it because of his appearance
@@saber5408 thats heartbreaking actually
@@saber5408 But he's so charming and attractive! I think Hollywood Rom-Coms producers/casting directors may need to check up their eyesight ASAP
I think this is the best acting role for Bautista. I was not expecting him to be this good. He made me cry.
The movie was good. Liked the book more, just because I'm a nihilist, and I don't find a "happy ending" in the film a realistic ending. Like, what are they going to do now that they know they stopped the apocalypse and God apparently is real? Do you think Wen is actually going to become a Vet? NO! How can you have a normal life after this...
Right - Shyamalan doesn't really seem to consider the existential implications that came with confirming it was all real and really doubling down on the idea that the purpose of the world is god getting his rocks off by watching the innocent suffer. Especially with the character they built for Andrew - who is already hypervigilant and holding grudges against the cruelty of the world. Andrew is never going to be able to stop obsessing over what happened or move on, even for Wen. The only way the ending could have even maybe worked is if Andrew was the one who died - using his trauma as a pathway to being able to accept the world is a horrible unfair place and god is a cruel sadist but also a profound refusal to let that motherf-cker kill Eric or Wen for amusement. Essentially making his sacrifice an act of acceptance *and defiance* in a way that better echoed the metanarrative of the book but still let Shymalan have his cake. The implication being he dies in an act of faith that Eric and Wen's goodness will bring light to a world that has been confirmed to be nothing more than a sandbox where Sid from Toy Story plays sick games and is always on the verge of throwing a tantrum and destroying it all. I don't think Shymalan really understood that the way he structured the story basically confirms that God has direct control over ecological disaster + actually can (and does) control people's behavior, to the point of drafting soldiers to do his direct bidding and can straight up hijack bodies.
The obvious ending if he didn't want to kill a child onscreen (which is reasonable) would have been the Cabin in the Woods ending where the intended sacrifices just agree that if *this* is the answer to the higher mysteries, the world *should* end. But Cabin in the Woods already did it, so like what is even the point. TBH, that was also kind of my take away from the book when I read it "Oh, so you have also seen Cabin in the Woods" but at least it felt like Tremblay wanted to explore the premise and ideas of that film without the deconstruction of genre/movie tropes part.
To me this film just drives home my suspicion that Shymalan's films would dramatically improve if he just stops writing. He's a good director and his work suffers because he refuses to lean in on that.
@@Lespritdelescali I fully agree with everything you just said. But I think a big part of why he couldn't go with that may have been how no one could bear to see Groff and his giant puppy eyes die, including Shyamalan himself.
Would've been a much better story though. Maybe if they switched actors?
Why wouldn't you just continue on with life? What has significantly changed? So strange of a take.
@@JustMeBroooo I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. I hate the internet
@@JustMeBroooo either and the /s or make it more obvious if youre being obtuse or saracastic
With the ending changes to both this and “Old”, I feel like Shamylan has an issue with ambiguity. I feel like he reads these books and is unnerved by the ambiguity and so makes these entire movies just to “fix” them. With Old having a way-too-long fix-it explanation and ending, and this one making it clear what’s going on…
Ever since blade runner 2049 bautista has deserved a better place to shine as an actor than a supporting role or a so so movie such as this, he has a lot of promise
I actually didn't know about the color theory for the horsemen, I found out about it from a review of the movie, so for me the hand-holding from the movie was actually helpful hehe. I hadn't thought about them as horsemen.
Thank you Amanda for the acknowledgement of the earthquake and donation link
I also didn't know about it. I thought it was the 4 humors psych theory but the n realized that probably wouldn't have any relevance here XD
I just figured it was the four horseman because it was four of them but I had no idea about the colors of the horseman either
Bautista did amazing with what he was given, but I wish what he was given was better.
A vague ending is way better imo because, aside from it not mattering whether Leonard&Co were correct like you said, I also felt like the entire point was that we don't, and can't know. Many people have faith that certain things are true, but the very concept of faith is rooted in not actually knowing or having proof. I like what the book has to say about faith and what can happen when people become super overzealous in their faith. The movie, not so much.
My pettiest gripe with the movie though is the title. The Cabin at the End of the World is a good title, communicating both the remoteness of the cabin as well as the impending doom this family is facing. Knock at the Cabin is a dumb title imo.
18:31 “But sometimes the best we can do is carve out our little happy spaces in places with people that we love-“
Yeah. That’s it.
Why spare the daughter in the movie ending but fail to give her a further purpose than the book allowed? Like it seems like her death was a huge catalyst in the 3rd act, in the film it seems like she was just...there to make the audience scared, which is cheap. You're absolutely right about how the film should have had the characters choose to protect her, not have to discuss on a grand scale that "uwu love trumps hate uwu but only if we kill ourselves before homophobes get the chance to!" Tell me a straight person both wrote and adapted these stories *without* telling me lol...
I think she does serve a purpose in the movie, but it’s not a great purpose in my opinion. Her surviving all but guarantees the dads will make the sacrifice because it becomes a matter of making sure she has a future that isn’t walking a desolate landscape with them until they’re the last humans alive. I think it takes away a bit of the heaviness when the question can be reframed from “are we willing to do this on the chance it might save an already messed up world where all these things happen on a small scale almost every day anyway?” to “are we willing to do this on the off chance it gives our daughter a future?”
So for me, lack of ambiguity about the apocalypse and Wen surviving removed any real agency that the dads might’ve otherwise exerted.
And this is why gay people in the media are terrible. Can't have shit with them without people bitching about it one way or another.
Straight characters only, that is what I say. No LGBTQ bs. Save heart ache on both sides. Want representation? Well you can't have any.
Make up your minds. Do you want gay characters to be written like everyone else or not? Because this theme of sacrificing loved ones for the greater good is hardly new. Half the comic superhero oeuvre is built on this theme ffs. Sacrificing the loves of their life, best friends and even magically conceived children. Get over yourselves.
@@jakestroll6518 hi, why are you on the channel of a lesbian if you're going to be an asshole about her opinions on her fucking community? Get a life.
@@jakestroll6518 I want there to be enough representation of queer characters in media NOT being killed off that when they are killed it's not a question of whether the message is homophobic or not. We are not there. In real life queer people have to worry about their safety and their families safety and whether or not heterosexuals think we deserve marriage or families of our own. We will NOT get over it for your comfort.
I’m so disappointed to hear that he completely went off the rails with the source material. I recently read the book and it got me into all of Paul tremblay’s works- he’s a master at building suspense and knows how to spin horror tropes in an original way. When I heard there was a movie adaptation I was super excited, but now I’m probably not going to see it. I don’t want to ruin the impression the book left.
I would suggest seeing it still. From my understanding Tremblay was told how the ending would be and he said that it would’ve been the other ending he had for the book. I’m not sure if she mentioned that. Lol still watching the video
I think it’s good either way.
Shyamalan movies have always been a 50/50 shot at best on whether they'd be good or crap but for the love of god if he does an adaptation of anything and you liked the source material, just don't watch his film of it lmfao
I actually met Paul Tremblay at a book signing recently and we chatted about the movie (I was so nervous I was babbling the whole time, but he was so kind). I liked the movie, the cast was great, it was so cool to see the characters, but I hated the ending. He didn't like the ending either. It totally changes the scope of the book and the nature of the story.
It seems like with the movie ending it was kind of like a lousy way to tie up loose ends, kinda like with Old. I’m not opposed to a happy ending, but if having that ending doesn’t work, then it doesn’t work. I prefer the book ending because it is that familial love that stills carries them on- all they have left is each other after Wen’s death, and no matter what happens, they keep going together. I think it’s just Shamalan missing the important points of the piece and directing the attention elsewhere.
6:07 - black, yellow, red, white... yes... all the colours of the beads needed to complete the Imp Catcher quest in Old School Runescape...
either that or M Night is a RWBY fan
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The book ending reminds me of Cabin in the Woods and I think that kind of ending might be my favorite- where they just say screw any god that would demand such a thing, they don’t deserve to hold the world under their thumb so just tear it all down
I haven’t read the book but now I’m intrigued. It reminds me a lot of my own questioning of God and my religion. I honestly think it’s one of the major flaws in Christianity, that we are told everything happens for a reason, and that if we are good, Christians will be rewarded, because at some point something bad will happen to you, and quite often you’ll also feel betrayed by God for allowing it to happen.
The ending of the book really plays into that, so many parents have had to bury their child and then ask God “why?” I remember when my stepbrother died my stepdad saying to me, “there is no God that would ask a man to bury his only son, and if there is, he is an asshole.” He has never stepped foot in a church since.
Christanity has literally never taught that you will get "rewarded" with free stuff just for being Christian. Also, your dad sounds like kind of an asshole if he didn't know people felt sad when theirds kids die until it happened to him. Maybe it was God's punishment for his complicity in a military industrial complex that has been bombing the 3rd world for decades.
I will never forgive Shymalan for what he did to Avatar, and I don't think I've ever watched a single other thing he directed for that reason
A coworker of mine boycotts Shymalan for this very reason.
Now that I listen, the ending from the book just sounds so much better! Dire & depressing, but also based on choice to go against something unfair even if it's powerful. Probably feeds in to my athiest belief, but it does seem more hopeful than living in an unjust world.
Dire and depressing is better as long it goes against an unfair power. That sounds like nihilism
Gdi having the characters confront the idea that "what kind of good would all this of people" and decide not one worth following is so much more important and composing than "blind faith = love and that's good, don't question anything" I hate that and I haven t even read the book
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So instead of making them an adorable gay couple that has that make sacrifices (like the LGBTQI community doesn't still already do that just to exist...but okay) make it a very 'Christian' couple that now is confronted with the thing they claimed to always believe in
……ooohhhh……man……
That would have been SO much more interesting.
The stereotypical baseball and apple pie all American white hetero Christian family? in this case would actually have been a much more artistically challenging and less... off-puttingly shallow choice, especially with the ending they went with. Gosh, a family the follows Prosperity Gospel even! Go the extra mile, make it a couple so sure that God is on their side and will reward them, then put THEM in that situation. THAT would be interesting.
Sticking with the gay couple from the book while also completely changing the ending feels very much like dense Hollywood straights trying to "make a Diverse and Progressive movie", without... actually knowing how to write a progressive story or with diverse perspectives. 🤦♀️
I get what you're saying but Christians don't believe in a God that makes you kill or sacrifice people
@@studioyokai there's pretty much no reference to God in the movie except from the gay couple themselves. The visions are never explained nor attributed to anything or anyone. Only that they are prepared to make sacrifices for mankind.
yes that's literally the story of abraham in the bible crazy i know but god asks him to sacrifice his own son
I enjoyed both very much. There is a scene in the book that did not happen in the movie. It had Leonard doing a monologue that really was fantastic, and I could not wait to see Bautista see, but when it didn’t happen, I was super bummed. There is an important thing in the book that does not happen in the movie, and it made it hard for me to stay in the movie.
Edit: I much preferred the book ending that didn’t really say whether or not it was all true. The end of the movie also really took me out of it, I was disappointed with the ‘yes! Apocalypse!’ Ending
I think Shyamalan wrote himself into the most uncomfortable corner in the universe when he realized he's literally killing a gay couple to save the world, so he had to overcompensate and write it like it's ACTUALLY about... how much love they have for each other? The movie is trying its very hardest not to have a horrible message and as a result it has *no* message.
I prefer the book ending seems more poignant and it doesn't go for sentimentality but really challenges the characters to really morally question their actions despite the voices telling them to do such horrible things at least one of the characters decides no I'm not doing that and actively fights the voice off until the very end. I think M Night missed understood the point of the book. I think he tends to do that when he adapts things to his own liking. Thank you for your perspective on the story
I felt the movie storytelling choices just made everything gross. Shayamalan decided to lean WAY too heavy on the religious aspect. Ambiguous for the story works in the book because we don't know if it's a trick, if it's a hate crime, if it IS real, if the delusions are real for them, and the small cabin scenario just makes it more isolating and claustrophobic. Taking away that subtlety leans hard on this new perspective of "yeah so btw religion is real and because you're a loving gay couple you're causing the apocalypse unless one of you dies k thx bye
16:10 Rupert got the short end of the stick there. All his friends are Nurture, Health, and Guidance and he's just straight up Malice.
this just sounds like "Bury Your Gays" with extra steps
Bury your gays... Or make them bury themselves? 🤔
Okay I'm sorry I didn't walk through the shirts specifically but SPOILER
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Thank you for answering this, otherAmanda! This is exactly what I came to the comments to find out!
@@WaitinInAmber I was pretty sure I explained it later in the video but you're welcome!
@@AmandaTheJedi turns out patience is not one of my virtues 😓 If I had just waited a few minutes I would have heard the answer. Thank you for posting this comment for me and the other impatient dopes out there!
Basically , it's "The Cabin In the Woods" if Marty convinced Dana to sacrifice him.
Amanda, I totally agree with you. I saw this on the thursday previews, genuinely excited as the trailers were really well done, and i walked out with those same weird vibes. I made a review on this as well, and came to the decision that the ending was major bs. I talked about their past that we were shown in the movie, something i think would've helped your points even more cause it really fleshes the characters out, but not in the way the movie wants to with the ending it chose. I hate after living their lives with the struggles of being gay they're still effectively punished for it. I totally agree with Andrew in the movie and i like the book ending much better.
I love that you include parts of the book as thats something i didn't read, so it was nice to get some context from it and hear what really goes down in depth.
Thanks for the great video!!!
Amanda is so entertaining that I clicked on this the moment I got the notification, despite avoiding spoilers for this movie for months.
aww I'm seriously so happy to see you donating to help the victims in Turkey it made me very emotional thank you so much you have no idea how bad they need it
The ending of the book is so so so much better. The whole point of the novel is totally subverted. I felt the ending of that novel in my bones. It was so good. The ambiguity is so crucial. The examination of faith and fear so interesting.
I saw the trailer for this while with some friends to watch M3gan and we all just looked at each other after thinking it looked icky, especially with it being a Shyamalan movie. I wasn't planning to watch the movie because I really don't feel like I need someone to straight-splain why I and the people I care about deserve to be treated like people, and I think this video helped to confirm that I'm making the right choice to save my time and money.
It feels weird that this story acknowledges homophobia through a character saying "Hey maybe we should let everyone die bc homophobes" because it just looks like the movie is yelling LOOK AT THIS SELFISH GAY MAN WHO IS SELFISH BC HE DOESN'T LIKE HOMOPHOBIA, like I really can't blame people for finding this movie distasteful or at least underwhelming on how it handles the story. Part of me can't let go of how this just feels like a movie made by someone who wants to (metaphorically) jerk off to gay people suffering
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The reason it probably feels icky is cause as you said their gayness does affect things no matter how much they don’t bring up their gayness or say they’re just normal if it’s set in the present day then that just feels like ignoring the fact that existing in a marginalized group affects every part of your life. There is no such thing as just not acknowledging your marginalization. And then the fact that one their attackers was a gay basher and that not being acknowledged is strange
And that the guy has a very specific history with them personally
Reimagining the 4 horsemen being something else isn't new. Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett did that in Good Omens as well.
Yeah but they way they did it in Good Omens was actually creative and fun. “Four horsemen as a supernatural biker gang here to cause chaos and end the world” is way more interesting than “Four horsemen as random people with color coordinated shirts here to enact the bury your gays trope”
My favorite part of this is the 'we believe you have been chosen because your family's love for each other is so pure' 'fuck off!' Yes, my feelings exactly.
After the movie I was fully like Well there was a beginning middle and end for sure... and there were characters... and symbolism and themes... it was definitely a movie from start to finish. The four horseman symbolism was pretty obvious from the start (especially with the shirt colors) and the movie just didn't feel like it was.. doing anything. I mean the anger the one dad felt towards his perception of the world's treatment of him and his husband and other lgbt people is very relatable I have def felt that gay anger before, but that's not enough to hold this movie up as having fully realized messages I feel like. Truthfully my biggest takeaway from this whole movie is that I'd actually love to see Bautista in more horror movies
On the ambiguity thing, I don't understand wanting so much stated explicitly. Ambiguity is only irritating when it feels like a gimmick. Otherwise, having everything explained personally makes me feel like whoever made it thinks the audience isn't smart enough to come to their own conclusions. Losing my mind over the uncertainty is kind of the funnest part for me🤷🏼
omg sticking with the book would have had such a good cinematic ending. And the acting potential from the compelled characters! Damn.
As someone who left a culty religion partly because I found their and the general concept of God to be so cruel, I like how the book explores that theme. Uncertainly, while scary, can also be dynamic. It can be freeing if you've lived life being forced to believe in certainties. I haven't seen the film but making it more overtly religious cheapens it, imo. Given that the world is becoming more diverse than it used to be, I also think it's out of place and time. I don't think we need another movie pushing the idea of God.
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my experience is so similar! EVERYTHING was a certainty in my culty religion I was raised in. it got to the point it was depressing having all these certainties, because I did not like them. I didn't feel like they applied to me and were excluding me if I didn't "shape up", and these particular certainties got so tiring and hurtful. I left, and now I'm not sure what the afterlife is like, if there even is one. I'm not sure what spirits are like, if there even are any. and it feels freeing! I can believe whatever I want to. no more having certainties shoved down my throat!
@@fluffyphoenix8082 I'm so happy for you!! :)
Christians believe that God is loving so I would actually like to see more of that. I do agree though, that movies should stop depicting God as an evil being that hates us
There's really no way to spin this. "I would die for you" is not the same as "I want you to kill me in exchange for the continuation of humanity." The movie profoundly misunderstands sacrifice and love.
Or more precisely: "I would die for you" is really really not the same as "I'll make you a deal: if you kill him you get to keep the world."
Precisely! And the movie unambiguously implies that god is at the center of forcing this bargain. Honestly… it’s sick. God is presented as the arbiter of destruction and calamity but also it’s only hope of bringing it to an end. But only through blood sacrifice. Honestly, it reads almost exactly like the evangelical fundamentalist picture of god.. which quite bluntly is not a god worthy of worship! Interesting that the book was written as an act of rebelling against this cruel god and the movie seems to validate blind faith and not asking questions…
@@badvertised The sacrifice isn't about love for just his family, you dullard. Do you know who else sacrificed himself to save everyone, even the people who were cruel to him? Jesus. The movie is directly comparing one of the characters to Jesus Christ, and you still don't understand that it is saying he is the unambiguous good guy.
The knowledge that the author wanted to respect his gay relatives and hearing that question of "what kind of god would let a kid die and NOT stop wiping out humanity?" is so much more powerful than whatever message the movie was doing. You're compelled to follow the whims of something that demands your suffering so that others can live, to the point that others who die and who didn't get to have their say in the sacrifice ritual DON'T MATTER to that god. The death of the kid should have indicated that no one's lives really matter to the God, so you might as well walk away and let the horseman people blow their own brains out. It's just as impactful on the grander scale: a death that is practically pointless.
Why should I respect any entity that treats members of a minority group like it's their duty to be expendable? You're talking about a co-worker, a neighbor, a son, a father, but the sky king (or whatever God is in the book universe) is like, "Oh, whoops, well, fuck you anyway". The family's choice to just say "fuck that god" is so much better and in a real world context slaps the face of all those religious organizations who justify bigotry through the veneer of "saving humanity", "saving America," or more importantly here, "saving the children," since children will inevitably be caught in the crossfire of religious strife just like Wen. And they don't get to make the choice.
Your efforts for watch and read the book for our entertainment is appreciated Jedi. Kudos
I'm a big Paul Tremblay fan, and I knew before the movie even came out that Wen's death wasn't going to make it to the big screen. And honestly, I'm fine with that - books and film are a different medium, and reading about a little girl getting shot in the face is much, much different than seeing it onscreen. I think they could have preserved the book's ambiguity with one of the dads dying accidentally - or even none of the family dying! - and then them walking away from the cabin into an uncertain future where they don't know what will happen but they know they won't sacrifice each other. It was possible to keep the book's theme while also removing that one aspect, but the movie . . . did not do that.
I hated that Andrew killed the love of his life at the end of the movie and then he and Wen just drove off listening to the last song Eric put on the radio with minimal expressions. They both should have been inconsolable, especially Wen who's 7 and lost her dad. The lack of intense grief/shock they both expressed felt very unrealistic and further ruined the ending for me
I thought maybe it was a sign from beyond.
Emotional numbness is a fairly normal reaction to trauma.
The 4 shirt colours are also pretty reminiscent of the 4 humours which I guess were probably interconnected with the whole 4 horsemen back in the day too
Shyamalan and his family are regulars at the restaurant where I work and I feel so guilty not being able to tell him I love his movies because they're all so nice every time they come in
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Amanda, you almost perfected your videos ! Keep it going!
I remember seeing the trailer for this before M3gan and seeing who the director and was like “this will be interesting.”
Just gottta say I adore all your content...you got me hooked talking about Twlight and I have been a fan since lol...the channel has always been super refreshing and fun...you bring a really cool energy to the world so thanks for creating..
One thing I loved about the book was the chapter from Sabrina's perspective, the way it's written makes it feel as though she isn't in control of her actions but is simply observing them. I think it's interesting because it shows how she still wants to help them because of her own beliefs but can't because she isn't fully controlling herself
The book ending is way more appropriate to the story. You're completely right!
I honestly had no idea the colors represented the 4 horsemen until you said it and I grew up in a christian family. The most I heard about the apocalypse is in a fictional series called Left Behind the Kids. So.... That flew over my head. haha.
Oh man, when I clicked on this video I didn't expect to get choked up at Amanda's passionate speech about how humanity is mostly good and the best we can do sometimes is to just make our own happy place with people we love in a tough world
Wow this was so awesome to listen to for my half hour ride home from the pot store.
You do great work!
The book’s story and ending are so much more resonant imo, it’s a shame. Always cool to hear about good performances by Bautista and Grint though!
The movie wasn’t bad per say, the acting was great. It just ends so blandly and the tension completely goes away and the movie felt like a waste of time.’it was way too straight forward and obvious. Which is crazy for this director to dk
No, it was bad. Even if the experience moment to moment felt compelling, when you step back, the movie only makes sense as a homophobic Christian parable, so it’s complete trash.
Hard agree re: your Old video 🙌 That’s how I found your channel!! I had just come back from the theater and had sooooo many thoughts and feelings I needed to work through. Found your Old video and was like “I need to know what this person thinks of every movie ever.” And the rest is history
Thank you for the links 🙏 Highly appreciated 😢
I thought using a gay couple was interesting because it took away from the gender roles for the sacrifice. I would imagine in a straight couple that the mother would be picked to survive because "children need their mothers" or something along those lines. With a gay couple that's a lot less clear.
Also, I quite liked the film but I'm glad I didn't read the book because I would have been enraged by that ending if I had.
Rupert Grint is a dad now. How weird is that? Haha. Glad to see him randomly in a movie as an adult actor.
Excellent vid! I had the same reaction to the movie, but was completely missing the book insight you provided. Cheers!
Thanks for the review as always lots of good point and research love it. Im glad we still have critics such as you
I dont know I dont think they making their choice for Wen is just "touch over". To me it was clearly what convinces non concussion dad. They even have a flashfoward to the future Wen is gonna have and how they cannot deprive her of that. Their daughter is their main reasoning, not the world.
100% agree. I don't know why more people aren't saying this. He was selfish for love, but knowing that she was going to thrive helped him decide.