‘The Lodge’ is the Most Horrifically Bleak Movie of 2020 | Ending Explained
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Grace told the daughter that the dog represented her new life so I think when she found the dog that is when she 100% snapped back to cult mode.
Ohhh shit man
Oh wow, I’ve only watched movie explains on this movie and knowing that is so sad
Ohhh wow damn I never deeper that
Anyone else notice he used a gas light heater and the movie is about gas lighting
The term gaslighting actually originally comes from a film about a man making his wife doubt get own mind by, amongst other things, turning on the gas light and then claiming she'd done it. Could be a reference to the idea or the film
Dude this movie sounds deep af like the theme of suicide
Literally every single person who watched it that isn’t retarded noticed that.
Robin C I didn’t, the movie sucked though
@@davelewis8270 I thought he turned the gas down to make the light Flicker and told her that she was imagining it
"It's just a prank, bro!" - The Movie.
Truth. I can imagine the kids saying: “It’s a prank, bro! So don’t kill us, please? Grace?”
2020 is the most horrifically bleak movie of 2020.
True though
This is the most horrifically bleak truth of 2020. 😔
nah. as long as we ignore people saying "yeah no it's cool to reopen!" even tho it's clearly not cool to reopen on the 15th we should be fine
At least its not as bad as the year 536.
@@aragorniielessar1894 what happened in 536?
"But hey, they forgot to shut the door after their shenanigans and the dog died... so maybe they had it coming." (13:06) says Amanda channeling her John Wick reasoning.
Honestly, the kids are a bunch of psychopaths. Screw the fact they tried to drive a woman insane. They killed a dog, they deserve to be shot.
The kids weren't trying to prank her they were trying to push her into committing suicide.
@Dynasty The Gemini and you think that somehow makes that life worth less?
Very "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" - Mariah
@Dynasty The Gemini You're an idiot. They took the life of their dog by being stupid in order to prank her or cause her to kill herself. The dog was innocent and had nothing to do with what was going on, so yeah I will weigh the dog's life over theirs
Now if it was a simple accident, like they left the door open when they went out on the ice, then I wouldn't hold it against them
The dad really comes off like a self centered disconnected creeper.
Kaskus I mean is any horror movie with a family possible without a dad’s beyond shitty life choices.
@@FreyaEinde Good point. Before this one I regarded the dads from Orphan and Don't be Afraid of the Dark as the most clueless horror movie fathers, but Richard Armitage's character quickly became another candidate.
@Booper Dooper in the movie it wasnt dumped on the first wife at all. They werent living together for a very long time and the wife knew that he was dating another girl. It was also suggested that the wife was prolonging the divorce process alot
I hate the Dad the most, since the beginning of the movie.
Right? His ex wife and the mother of his children just died and he decides to leave his children up in the cabin with their young, soon to be stepmother? Alone? He doesn't take time off of work or get them therapy? Plus, I think he'd only known/been with for this younger women for six months.....
As a deprogrammed cult member, this movie gave me full jinkies. They nailed the guilt part.
It definitely looks like it. You happen to have any tips on getting rid of religious guilt? Something I've been working on for a long time, but it still comes back a lot.
@@gwenk903 Similar situation here. What's been working for me so far is therapy (specifically psychodynamics), self-awareness exercises, and Prozac
buy gold bye repent
I was raised in a cult as well. I deprogrammed myself through therapy, researching, and by cutting contact with the people who are still enmeshed in it. There are times when guilt and thoughts will pop back into my head, but those have become extremely rare now and I’m able to debunk those thoughts by thinking them through logically. It is frustrating though that there is a stigma about ex-cult members always being dangerous and unstable. So many of us have to rebuild our lives, thought processes, and world paradigm from scratch. Add to it that if anyone finds out about your past, they ostracize you for it and it just increases the pressure on us to be perfect. I have cptsd and imposter syndrome from my upbringing, yet I keep a stable full-time job, have a healthy marriage, take care of my responsibilities, and mentor other ex-cult members. The insistence of the horror movie industry to depict us as monsters or disasters waiting to happen isn’t helping people escape cults. Most cult members don’t even realize they’re in a cult, until they’re out. When mass media depicts cults in the extreme, it can even make cult members think that ‘hey, my group’s not a cult, they aren’t that bad’. The best resource I’ve found to know if you’re in a cult is Steve Hassan’s BITE model. It goes into cult practices in a more realistic way. Many cult members never chose to join, but were born into it. We never had a chance to develop healthy thought patterns in our youth, but that doesn’t mean we are incapable.
Arca Knight Good for you working on yourself so hard & sharing all these tips!! Im sure you help a lot of people every day. I definitely learned something from you!
The dad is the true villain here. It was wildly unethical for him to get involved with her in the first place, he handled his kids SO badly before and after the death of their mom, and he ditched his poor girlfriend with them in an isolated location.
Also it's implied the mother/ex-wife was also an old patient.
The kids took right after him. Doing whatever they want for their pleasure
No, the kids are the true villains. It’s like you didn’t even watch the movie
I've read some criticisms about the children's plan being too hare brained, but honestly? This sounds like EXACTLY the kind of stupid, "did not think this through" thing a pair of pre-teens would come up with. Toss in the distinct possibility of some internal organic brain chemistry problems.... (I mean... their mom killed herself over being told that her ex wanted to speed up the official divorce proceedings. That speaks to me of there being a lot more problems there than just her husband leaving her for a younger woman -- and tells me that Daddy Dumbass might have a thing for damaged women.) And they killed the dog, even if it could easily have been an accident. Those kids were probably fucked up well before Grace entered the picture.
Thank you! Dum Genius up there makes a point about the dog being a complete accident. But I think something was definitely going on with their mother teaching them certain values that are the same values that result in her killing herself because the dad wanted to speed up the divorce. Also the kids were already shaken up because of their mother's death to begin with.
The problem I had with it was that the whole plan was dependent on the father not being around, but they couldn't have known he was going to get called away to work during the stay. However, the scenes of the dollhouse and him packing the harness show that it was all thought out before they got there, and not anything they could've improvised when the opportunity arose.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks The father actually makes it _very_ clear that he won't be there for the first three days, because he has to work. It's his impromptu but unacted upon decision to stay that gives you the false impression that they couldn't have planned it. He doesn't leave on a whim.
As for the OP, I don't really see the kids' plan as being particularly unsophisticated, frankly it's not so elaborate that it's necessarily impossible either. It has just enough unintended consequences on top. The really stupid thing is they don't tell her the truth when she turns into a catatonic gun wielding bed watcher.
Nexils - Well I find it odd because the Bible states that Suicide would land you in hell if I’m not mistaken. It’s strange for someone so religious to do that. It feels like a sort of “This is how I’m going to get back at you” type of thing. Or maybe she thought he wouldn’t stay with or marry Grace out of guilt but didn’t work necessarily the way she thought.
@@iB0NKERS many religious people don't believe it does, fanatic or not- and if she was really upset enough to take her own life over her divorce then she probably didn't particularly care about going to hell
Man. I know the kids aren’t evil, but this is why you don’t mess with people’s meds. I don’t think the message is “don’t date broken women you wrote a book about” it’s “hey, don’t fuck with people’s meds” 🤣
I mean that’s just demonizing disabled people then. I’m not gonna fucking go out and murder people just because I’m off my meds. But if you’re in a position of power over someone with a traumatic childhood that you know intimately, maybe don’t date them.
DeathnoteBB that not really what I meant, but I get why you read it that way. Apologies for that. I have mental disabilities myself, but really what I meant was “meds are important and going off of them suddenly can cause a lot of issues and that’s a cruel thing to do to someone”.
Again, apologies I did not communicate that appropriately
Isabellulla I appreciate your understanding. I know people often don’t mean such harsh things when they say stuff like that, but I just want people to be aware that intention does little to change the misconceptions people can takeaway from certain things
Isabellulla idk if that makes sense but yeah
@@DeathnoteBB and I think they meant “don’t steal people’s meds and then gaslight them and terrorize them of their previous traumas that the meds are supposed to help the coping of” cause yes don’t take anyone’s meds for any reason ever, unless you’re their doctor or they develop a addiction, but yes not everyone will have a extreme reaction to it but many people need them to live. Not just like “oh if I don’t take this my body will shut down” like “oh I need this or I stop functioning as a human disabled or not” which is the whole point of medication period. Although others may have a different opinion than mine, this is just coming from another disabled persons perspective who literally does need meds to survive.
I see what you mean when you talk about the kids not being evil but at the end i still felt more bad for Grace than for them.
They gaslighted a woman and manipulated her emotionally just because they hate their new mom. That's, like, a completely new level of sociopathy.
I guess it depends on what you consider evil. Personally I'd consider gaslighting and manipulating a person by using their past trauma to be, y'know, definitively evil, but some people really just dont think kids should be held accountable for anything
Insert badass-funny-wierd name here! I generally agree with your point, I just really hate the phrase “new mom”. She’s their dad’s new wife, not their new mom. Their mom is dead. You can’t expect children to love daddy’s new girlfriend the same as their own mother. And if the kids in the movie feel like Grace is the reason their mom is dead, I can definetly understand why they would want to mess with her. Then again, the lenghts they went to in this movie was definetly sociopathic.
@@Niinque yea but there's a world of difference between not loving her as a mother and torturing her. I wonder how much the evil stepmom trope plays into how people perceived this movie ( not saying you feel this way just in general)
They made her believe they were dead and proved it by pretend hanging himself... If aiden was smart enough to pull all that off, how did he not recognize how dangerous it was to all of them.. How long would it have taken for grace to want to corroborate this fact... Anyways, trying to drive an already disturbed woman insane, seems pretty evil no matter what age
Why the dog. Why always the dog. dammit
Horror movie 101, fam. Dog always dies unfortunately :(
Aces Spades the dog is a symbol of her new lift. Grace literally tells the daughter that. So yes the dog had to die because that is when she 100% snapped when she found the dead dog.
Sadly if a horror movie features a dog it's pretty much sure to be killed off. I hate this trope, not only because I'm a dog person but also because it's been done to death, it no longer shocks anybody.
If the pet in a movie dies the plot is usually relying on loud noises and jumpscares and I never have found one yet where I like the movie a lot of the pet dies. Might have some relation idk
Shock value. That's why I hate watching horror things. Animal death just for the sake of it.
... I question the father's decisions.
ElvinGearMaster Irma I mean it seems pretty obvious from the get go that’s he is, if not an absolute ghoul, largely insensitive of the people around him.
@Clay Talman
No. I mean I am questioning his decision to
A. Go out with a woman he knows of due to his book about a cult
B. Left three people alone in isolation without a car
C. LEFT THEM ALONE, THEM BARELY KNOWING EACH OTHER
Just. Im questioning everything he is doing and if he thinks. I agree, he deserved what he got. His actions built up to his death.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 i agree with you especially point b and c its stupid movie logic.
@veronica carlson Could you please not call psycholocally ill people psychos? Thank you.
@Wandi Nugraha @ElvinGearMaster Irma I don't think it was 'stupid movie logic'. I think the dad was emotionally suprressed, but didn't intend for things to go the way it did.
He would rather avoid the problem or let people deal with on their own, hence why he used the excuse of work for the kids and Grace to works things out, so he doesn't have to. He literally was able to call in last minute and find someone to cover him at work and the moment Grace excused him from staying out of concern, he really doesn't really push back and just leaves. He unconsciously knew that he couldn't deal with that overwhelming amount of emotional stress he would have to face.
Some other clues:
He tried to get married before the divorce was even finialized.
His daughter was crying... didn't say much and when the daughter said "go away, you don't understand" and just leaves, it said a lot about how he deals with his problems.
this could have been prevented if the dad actually GRADUALLY intoduced grace to them before going on this trip
Or if he just waited until his work stuff was over so they could go together or just like don’t push your girl friend on your kids when it hasn’t even been a year and they clearly are not over their mothers suicide, or I don’t know don’t be an ass in the first place, now I’m wondering why they were getting divorced in the first place, like he has a new love and doesn’t care about the mental health of the mother of his children, ugh seeing how he ignored his kids misgivings about her he didn’t think to explain it to them and just let them blame her & didn’t care about how it would effect her own mental health to have the kids blame her for their moms death. Like how did none of that occur to him after what she had already been through like what a ass .
I'm seven months late, but I just finished watching the movie. The dad tried to introduce Grace in the family, but the kids rejected the idea even BEFORE their mother killed herself. It's actually implied in the first scenes that the mother talked badly about Grace to them - when she's driving them to the father's house, Aiden calls her "retardad". After that, he calls her "psychopat", which leads to the dad asking why he thinks that, and he says that she was in his book. For me, it implies that the mother told them everything about Grace just to make them strain from her. The dad tried, not too good, to make them befriend, before and after the mother's suicide. He waited 6 months before trying to make a "family" trip. The kids, specially Aiden, always pushed away every single chance of truly getting to know Grace. For me, the dad has nothing to be blamed for. I mean, he is self-centered, and it's also implied that he cheated on his wife with Grace, which would explain her resent with Grace and consequent suicide after him trying to speed the divorce so he could marry her, but he tried to make Grace and the kids be friends, or at least acquaintances. Grace wasn't to blame, neither. I just can't follow this mentality of "they're kids, they didn't know what they were doing". I mean, Aiden was 17-18 years old and Mia 12-13, they literally planned every single aspect of the thing days before the trip, they fricking printed a newspaper article that showed the trio dead (which means, they would try everything to make the dad go away), they knew EVERYTHING about her past, they knew what they were doing. In the best case scenario, they intended to make her have a breakdown and leave. In the worst, to kill herself or get her killed in the wilderness. They, specially Aiden, were purely evil. They were the true socio/psycopaths, not Grace, not the father, not the deceased mother. They were kids, but kids don't go around messing with someone's traumatized past, gaslighting her into thinking they are dead, in purgatory, KNOWING THAT SHE WAS IN A FRICKING RELIGIOUS CULT. Only evil people, even if as a kid, would do what they did. I don't blame Mia as much, cause she was befriending Grace, showed regret about the dog's death, since she knew what it meant to her, and told Aiden that they needed to call the "prank" off otherwise Grace would freeze to death. But Aiden is just a selfish, psycopath, little shit. He deserved dying a horrible death, not the father, not Mia. And def Grace didn't deserve any of that. She was a good girl. She didn't deserve to be dragged to that hell of a family
@@guilhermecorrea3881
Grace was addicted to her medicine so if the children were nice to her who to say she would not go off and hurt herself or them if her medicine ran out? The father was a selfish idiot who put his needs first lusting for mentally weak women like his wife and Grace. His wife was one of his patients too.Worst putting his children's life at risk when they still were not over their mother's death. Aiden and Mia should had call up their grandparents to live with them. It would had been a better option. If Grace flip out in one of her mental breaks and kill their father that's on him not his children.
He needed to keep Grace in one room in the house so she and the kids could sniff each other through the door for a week to get used to each others' scents first
The father really pissed me off in this movie. I watched it last week when it was put on Hulu and I was consistently annoyed with the dad throughout it. He was only dating the would be stepmother for like...six months and he wants to marry her. He and his wife obviously hadn't been broken up for long. After his ex wife/mother of his children kills herself, he decides to do what he wants and decides to leave his fiancée, two kids, and a dog alone in a cabin together. When his children had just been through something traumatic and they obviously don't like this woman they feel is trying to take their mother's place.
The dad was in regular contact via phone. Its just his kids were being psychopaths. He wanted to show what a nice and kind woman his fiance was. Which his kids responded to by being...well, evil.
Just ask yourself if the sentence "he decides to leave his fiancee, two kids, and a dog alone in a cabin together." is one indicative of any obvious negligence, ill intent or malice in the real world
"He was only dating the would be stepmother for like...six months and he wants to marry her. "
I disagree, it was heavily implied that the parents had been separated and the dad seeing Grace for quite some time before the suicide. I doubt it was a new relationship, would be too sudden to be talking about getting remarried. The children and the mom seem to know her too, especially evident by the "she's a psycho" line during Thanksgiving. If I had to guess the dad was probably already distant from his religious wife, writing his book and fell for Grace, tried to divorce but mom thinks it's a sin, so there's just a long drawn out separation until the events of the film start. Aiden likely knew about the cult stuff because A) he's older and definitely smart, he'd pick up on what his dad is writing about, B) I would guess mom shittalked the new girlfriend.
I DO agree that the father is the lowkey villain, guilty of emotional disconnect, ego, and lack of empathy. Yeah I get you want to prove that Grace is sweet and all, but it's the kids' first Christmas without their mother at their family lodge with the outsider that is seen as a homewrecker. I'm sad he died, honestly. He didn't suffer nearly as much as the other characters did for his role he played.
@@magsley579 I also have to disagree. He gave their mother a deadline, yeah, but its heavily implied this was after a long and very drawn out separation between the two. He wants to FINALLY move on with his life and she, clearly, doesn't.
Honestly, IF this movie had a villain? Its the mother. Her suicide was selfish - she was already villanizing Grace around the kids. As someone who suffers from clinical depression and anxieties, I can relate to the mother in some way but she's the catalyst that spiraled this movie out of control. Grace got help and was a victim. The mother never got help and victimized EVERYONE around her. Call it a hot, if even cold take, on the situation but those are my two cents.
@@sakulaeyr9819 I defftinatly think the mom killing herself was selfish..she didnt want a divorce I get that but holding someone else hostage in a relationship they no longer want is toxic and abusive. And killing yourself while knowing your children need you just because your marriage failed is wrong as well..it almost seems like she killed herself to spite her husband more than any other reason...
That little girl is one HELL of an actress!!! Her crying scene was GUT WRENCHING!
Mega MovieZ absolutely I wandered where she got the experience to pull from an emotional outburst so violent..she was amazing
sza sremmurd she prob didnt have experience and just born talented
Reminded me of florences cry scene in midsommar!
I do recall Grace saying that her dog was one of the few things that symbolise hope and control over her life. I swear I just burst out crying when she was cradling the dog like that 😭
I dunno. Leaving a door open for your dog to get out and freeze to death kinda makes you a bad guy in my books.
The kids are also really sadistic, basically torturing her... so screw them.
Was it intentional though? Maybe I need to rewatch the movie, but that little girl seemed really bad about it. Not sure if Aidan meant for it to happen either, although he was eager to break Grace...
It wasn't on purpose
They are literal children are you serious
@@amusedcuriosity3370 yes, "literal children" have the capabilities to be sociopaths through conditioning or a mental imbalance.
I just realized the actress who plays Grace is Elvis's granddaughter. cool
Cool
Meh
Hunka hunka burning cults
Haaaaaa
Hunka hunka burning cults
Her brother killed himself with a gun in real life, like the mother did in the movie.
Actually great granddaughter but Still cool
If aiden brought the climbing equipment, does that imply the entire thing was premeditated? because that kinda makes it so much worse.
Yeah Amanda explains they planned it ahead of time... 11:49
He literally left his plan in the doll house
It was premeditated. He brought the frame that said “In loving memory”. He brought the printed newspaper of their death! That’s why I hated those kids. They planned everything!!!
They drugged her and took her medication so her perception of reality would skew
I don’t know what they were going for ...make her have a breakdown and tell their dad she’s crazy so he leaves her? Uh kids that’s no safe for you or her...but their kids probably didn’t think they would make her have a psychotic break and become a danger to them. It reminds me of a kitty I knew who was pissed at his sister so he took her medication because it “ made her feel better “ and then was surprised that she warning ⚠️ started cutting again ⚠️ not sure what kind of medication it was but it was for her to take when she was feeling especially bad not her everyday meds, kids can be straight up ass holes they never think what they are doing is really that bad even if they know it’s wrong.
Looking at some of the comments, the way people discuss the real villain in terms of Grace vs the kids is kind of unfair because it’s not “the kids”, it’s Aiden. Mia is clearly hurting the most here and she’s definitely too young to understand exactly how evil the whole plan is. She’s willing to talk to Grace, is genuinely sorry about the dog, and generally doesn’t exhibit the same anger that Aiden does. It feels like she’s kinda just being dragged along.
I kind of took it as the kids making their own reality. They saw the new mother as the end of their lives and the reason that everything was going so horribly and after gaslighting her she actually became that very thing. Very bleak. Very, very bleak
And that's part of what makes the movie so good, despite the bleakness.
So....Tulpae?
Yep, if they had been raised in a different way they could have been receptive to Grace. But implied pretty religious mother and emotionally distant father... that's a recipe for disaster. The whole thing plays out like a Greek tragedy, if only they hadn't projected their limited ideas of blame and guilt onto the easiest target, they created the monster they feared that was never there.
This is one film I use as an example whenever I hear someone misusing the term "gaslighting," which is about 95% of the time I hear it used. Here it's entirely accurate. Most of the time people drag it out in cases of someone disagreeing with them or telling them (or a character) that they're wrong or mistaken about something, as opposed to trying to delude them into thinking they're crazy when you know they aren't.
What kind of result were the kids expecting from their "little prank"? They knew that she spent half of her life living in a freakin cult and spent the rest of it trying to recover from the trauma (still recovering btw). They knew about all that and still decided to mess with her head and quite literally push her back into her nightmares. Did they think they could just tell her "lol it was all a prank. That's what you get for getting our mom to commit suicide by doing absolutely nothing because it was probably our dads fault but we blame you otherwise"? I know kids tend to demonize step mothers but jesus this was too far
As I watched the movie I considered a few options;
1. They wanted her to snap and "accidentally" kill herself. At least it seemed like this was what Aiden was going for as she set out to get help. If she had frozen to death along the way they could've just told their father she went crazy before she walked out and disappeared. Obviously that didn't work.
2. They wanted her to snap and turn into a babbling lunatic - consequently forcing their dad to break up with her. Obviously, this worked TOO WELL. The kids severly underestimated what a mentally unstable person was capable of doing, ultimately dooming themselves in the process.
You can't necessarily apply full reasoning to what their goal was. Though I agree with the comment below it was likely to either get her to kill herself like the rest of the cult or to make her seem too crazy for their dad to continue seeing her.
I see quite a few people giving Aiden quite a bit of credit in his ability to think this through, but a 16 year old boy just flat out cannot think this through. Not only is his brain not physically fully developed (primarily the frontal lobe which houses much of our reasoning skills), but his sense of morality and consequences also are not developed. Until we are no longer provided for and protected by our parents in most cases, consequences remain at least somewhat intangible.
I don't think any 16 year old traumatized boy would have had the emotional intelligence or life experience to understand one simple part of his plan: what she would do to them. I would venture a guess that they only focused on what they wanted her to do to herself. If she dies, great. If she goes crazy, great, dad will come and break up with her and they can have Christmas without her.
That said, I absolutely abhor these kids behavior and am extremely mad at them, even if they couldn't fully understand what they were doing. But even more so the father, who knows his kids hate his new girlfriend, who knows his girlfriend is still recovering from severe trauma, who knows his kids are also still recovering from their own trauma, and decides leaving them alone in a house in the middle of no where is a good idea.
@@AngelicRamen I have been scouring the comment section for this exact type of comment! Too many of the comments on this video outright demonize the kids, assuming they are acting with fully developed senses of morality and consequences. 'What did they THINK was going to happen?' 'They should have already known not to do this sort of thing' 'They should have realized that their plan could cause her to attack THEM'.
Too many people seem to be forgetting that in the movie, they ARE just kids. I know /I/ didn't usually consider consequences and worst-case scenarios when I was 16.
@Mr_ Tinez I'm sorry but no. fuck those kids. They decided to mentally torture a ill woman for their own amusement. They stole her fucking Medication. This was the line. That's the most heartless action. They wanted her psychologically and physiologically broken and unable to process or rationalize the abuse.
We hear stories all the time about kids drowning rivers but we never blame the river for murder. We blame the supervising adults for not paying attention
Thing is, kids don’t often think through the entire repercussions of their actions. The main drive of their actions is just to punish the “home wrecker” and probably drive her crazy enough to make her a non-viable partner. But those kids also had no experience with how badly mental health and PTSD/trauma can seriously screw you up
I was raised in a strict catholic household and this movie really messed me up. A lot of the messages and pictures were very similar to what I was taught. And I really hated the pictures, they always felt like they are watching you.
That's an intentional effect, a way of painting eyes so that they seem to follow the watcher. It was very common in church iconography and in portraits of nobility back in the day.
When I was a kid we used to live at my uncle's house and when you entered his house there was a staircase right in front of the door and at the top of the staircase hung a cross with Jesus on it. He was bloody and the pupils of His eyes were designed to always look at you wherever you went. It scared me so much that I would always look down when I went upstairs so I wouldn't meet His gaze. I knew it was meant to show the sacrifice that He made for humanity but still.
The very EYES OF NOT-RE DAAAAME
We had a huge ceramic cross that was a sculpture of a crucified Jesus with blood pouring out of wounds and his face in constant expression of pain.....right. By. The. Dinner. Table! Yep! Every time we ate we had to stare at that horrifying thing. Needless to say I’m super ANTI religious now. 😉👍
I feel you! Made me remember this huge Mary statue / shrine my family had in backyard (it wasn't huge, but as a kid it felt huge)... always felt like God was watching. Being brought into a strict catholic school before even pre-k and growing up in a strict, religious household... being reminded of the ramifications of sin constantly messes a kid up.
When you mentioned how the late mother's items were mounted on the wall, almost like they were looking down upon the step mom, I believe it's a representation of the pressure she felt as being "mom 2.0". For her, I'm sure she was doing the best she could, but still couldn't shake the fact that the children's mom will also be above her emotional and symbolically.
They KNEW about her cult past, they KNEW about her medication, obviously since they hid it from her, they knew all that and they still let her go out into the cold? they still played that prank?They still didnt punch the breaks WAY earlier? now if they didnt know about all that I could dig that storyline, but that just plain stupid(in adition to effed up but I am ok with the effed up). Did they know there was a gun in the cabin too?
I think they were probably caught in the dilemma of not knowing when to pull the plug on the prank. Neither of them have a developed sense or morality or consequences, they honestly may have been more worried about how mad she would get about the prank rather than how bad it could get until it was too late.
@@AngelicRamen thats exactly what I ment. I can buy them having no solid moral compass, no empathy etc but them having no grasp of the very tangeable danger to themselves in that situation irks me.
@@AngelicRamen its like cutting somebodys brakes WHILE YOU ARE RIDING IN THAT VERY SAME CAR.
There's a couple reasons why I don't feel sorry for the kids- 1) The boy's like what 16? That's a little too old to skate by on the "children don't have a developed sense of morality" excuse. 2) It seems like they were trying to seriously drive her to suicide, which is a lot different than a "well, let's just make her suffer a little bit" prank, 3) I don't buy their excuse for the dog- how were they intending to keep it quiet while they were hiding it? Sounds like they never had a contingency plan for the dog because they never intended for it to be around for them to have to deal with, and 4) even assuming they were telling the truth- iif you're playing a cruel prank and realize that in the course of it, you've put an animal's life at risk, you need to stop. So, no sympathy for the kids- those little shit dog killers deserve everything they got or were going to get.
I get your point but in my opinion, I thinks 16 years especially boys don't yet have a full grasp or even one at all for the consequences of their actions. And 2nd of all I don't think they want Grace dead don't think even knew what they wanted to happen to her. I think after growing up in way of, have parents who probably fought a lot, have to deal with their devorce and their dad getting remarried at the same time was a lot for them at such a young age. Not mention, their world view being turned up side down with their mom killing her self, as in the bible suicide is a horrible sin, so to see their own mother, who's probably the one that thought them all of that, go against it so suddenly it probably left them traumatised and not thinking straight. Not saying what they did was right, in fact it was horrible. But I think they at least a bit of a reason for what they did. But that's just my theory
completely disagree. you're ignoring why the kids wanted to make her suffer. there's a reason and the reason is a very dead mother.
i don't know about you, but even if this is just a story, i think they had enough anger, grief and pain that it pushed them to want some kind of vengeance. not that what they did was right, just that they didn't do it out of the blue.
i feel like people who comment that the kids had it coming or the the kids deserved it would have felt something similar if they were in that situation.
also, i think grace killed the cult members out of religious delusion. it seemed like she recreated the death ceremony with the family. the duct tape with the word SIN kind of significantly hearkens back to her days in the cult that was obsessed with death. she seemed genuinely trying to have a future (symbolized by the dog) but since the dog died, her hope and her sanity also kind of froze in the snow.
i doubt she was playing russian roulette. it's much more likely that she rigged the first shot (for herself) to be empty. she was basically the "high priestess" performing the "death ritual" so to speak, since the whole family seemed like sinners to her (bad father, vengeful kids). of course she also thought she was sinful, she burned herself and all that, but i really think she was gonna survive a second time (the first time being the "mass suicide").
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yea, totally agree with you.
the kids (with immature logic and all that) felt justified in making her suffer. what drove them to scheme what they carried out to do imho was the father. the father was completely neglectful and seemed totally indifferent to his kids' pain and grief. he wouldn't even acknowledge the son's very justified anger towards his adultery. there's a scene where the father made the son feel like he had no right to be angry at all. if kids grow up being told that they had no right to feel agrieved or offended when something unjust happens, it's no wonder if they develop the desire to "handle things by themselves" since clearly nobody was ever going to try and make things right for them. the father was such shit, like not even an apology about the whole adultery issue. he was quite arrogant and totally self-centered. it was all about his happiness. he literally asked his grieving kids to connect with the new woman for him, that they should do it for him.
effectively, the kids didn't really have anyone but each other. there didn't seem to be any way to cope with their pain and grief, so it all just got converted to vengeance against the mistress.
@@NotD-kp3by 16 year old boys should still understand morality, they're not that mentally underdeveloped. Girls are a lot more mentally mature than boys but still we shouldn't be using this excuse for allowing boys to be little shits
@@jhonhoppins522 I totally agree with you but the thing is that most 16 years old boys or girls don't (or mabey it's in the place I grew up) have a full grasp of it. They may know what's right and wrong but it doesn't stop them from being assholes. Not justifying the kids just saying they had, even the tiniest, reason to what they did.
dad is the villain of this story and no one can convince me otherwise
everyone in the movie is kinda insensitive but also a victim.
its unclear about the details of their marriage and the time span between the suicide so we cant draw anything concrete from it, but yeah dad was kinda insensitive, but mainly he was depicted as insesitive from children's prespective for plot's sake
whatever the fault of dad, grace was partly complicit. if he cheated, grace is to blame just as much
kids are psycopaths, but then again they are too young to think about the consequences and ofc they are traumatised
mom is just as bad if not the worst, killing herself and leaving her little kids behind
The kids are the villains in my opinion cause they actively went out to break a fragile women's mind and took her medication
@@WTC-1990 dude, the kids were hurt, acting up and channelling that anger towards Grace (wrongly-true, but not that uncommon) and under these unusual circumstances the situation escalated. all of that while the dad's been an egotistic piece of sh** who cheated on his wife, divorced her (which caused her mental breakdown and suicide), and under such horrific circumstances forced his fragile partner and broken, grieving children under one roof to "get to know each other and bond". cause of this dude's selfishness and lack of foresight (even though he was some kind of psychologist wasn't he) he caused pain and discomfort to EVERYONE around him. never in his life has he sacrificed anything of his (time, effort, career, anything) to genuinely help and put his his loved ones first. it was always everyone else who had to compromise and bend to the circumstances that he put them in, never the other way round
@@Justtry4525 I've seen this movie twice and I don't remember anything saying that the father cheated with Grace. Is there? They leave all the time periods pretty vague there.
@@Justtry4525 I seen this movie three times I came to realize they were trying to get grace to kill herself because they blame her for their mother’s death
Fun fact John Carpenter chilled the entire set constantly to make the actors feel the claustrophobia and unease of the situation. So props to them for attempting the same
At least they didnt go the route of kubrick and have them replay the mental spiraling scenes 500 times until the actors started to actually break down mentally.
Paddy O'Furniture True or when he forced the actors and team to continue filming without telling them when it will stop to simulate war. It’s kind of funny when he just said were done and left, leaving the entire set stunned.
Tarantino did the same thing for The Hateful Eight.
Paddy O'Furniture
Kubrick sounds like an absolute self-absorbed monster.
@@haggisa He was
Absolutely love this movie but made me depressed for like two days
Yeah it honestly just gets worse the more you think about it because literally everyone loses
@@AmandaTheJedi what I love is despite how terrible the things all the three main characters did were, I still empathized with all of them.
The kids fucked up the most but I still empathize with their situation. If I was a kid and saw someone else as the reason my mom was dead... I'd want that person to suffer too even if it wasn't a logical place to direct my anger
That's a very good point about the kids, they're kids and they don't think these things through.
That said I still kinda feel like they had it coming. pushing someone on the brink pass the brink and then acting surprised when things go bad smh
Kids don't understand that shit. It's all well and good to project adult thinking onto children.
reminded me of those rape cases where kids rape a fellow minor... and well, how lenient should we really be?
@@iciajay6891 I mean, for the little girl I agree, but the boy should've known better. I knew very well as a teenager not to push my parents too far, and I knew very well what could happen if I did. And considering this boy's own mother was apparently "pushed too far" and _killed herself,_ you'd think he'd have some sort of grasp of the possible ramifications, even with trauma. At the very least he'd have known the risk of his stepmom committing suicide as well.
@@GoddoDoggo plus, he's 17 (as opposed to being like 14, which is what I assumed he was until I saw he was born in 2002) which by that point, sure he's still just a teen, but he should be more than capable of understanding just how cruel and stupid of a plan it was. Teenagers are dumb, but we're not that dumb
@@404usernotfound_ I did not remember he was 17. That makes more sence.
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To me there are clear cut antagonists and it’s the kids. They psychologically tortured Grace to the point where her mind completely broke, and further tragedy ensued. Having seen Goodnight Mommy I guessed pretty early on what they were up to. These directors are really just like, “yeah, FUCK kids” 😂😂💀
This movie teaches you treat everyone with respect and kindness cause you may never know what’s going on in their life what their struggling with
The mother's death really shocked me it was so sudden and had very little build up it was implied she would do it but still damn it blind sighted me
Loved this movie but it kept reminding me of the running joke in arrested development where the parents would teach lessons in horrific ways like I half expected Jeffrey Tambor to come out at the end and be like “and that’s why you don’t mess with people’s meds!”
🤣🤣🤣 love arrested development. And that's why you don't prank people 🤣
It was an amazing movie, I loved the fact that they didn't just play the expected cards they had, a lot of meta stuff came to my head, I thought a lot of ghosts, maybe the mom's ghost, maybe they are all in the little girl's imagination, that doll house is actually the lodge itself, but like reality the simple direct answer was the correct one, it was very refreshing, nowadays the metaphysical and abnormal answer or reveals are so overdone it has become refreshing to see a realistic horror movie, this movie is bleak and horrifying because it can happen in real life down to its smallest details, which makes me think the real message here was "do not play with or underestimate mental illness".
I have been in a cult. I can tell you from personal experience that the guilt and shame programming is life long.
I’m sorry you’ve experienced the pain & mental stress from a cult. I am glad you’re no longer in it. Hope you find healing. Hope today is better than yesterday & that tomorrow is better than today. Have a great weekend.
There’s a big difference between dropping a newt in the stepmom’s water and literally degrading her mental state by taking her medicine and making her believe she’s in the middle of a psychotic break and dead. That takes more planning and involves more intent to hurt than any prank. Sorry but them fictional kids were twisted, and I hope they lost those next rounds of roulette. 👋
This sounded like a movie I'd be into. Until the dog. I can't handle that.
Children are killed but it's the dog's death that you can't handle
@@VictoriaTraducciones yes.
@@VictoriaTraducciones lol
@@VictoriaTraducciones To be fair, a dog would never use your trauma to gaslight you and push you toward insanity like a sociopath.
Victoria Essentially.
I guess it's good to know I didn't handle my dad's crazy girlfriend so bad. The worst I did was ignored her when she asked me (A CHILD) if I thought god would forgive her for breaking up a marriage.
It's amazing how many people are in this comment section defending the kids for "not having a developed sense of morality" when there are millions of people like us who _somehow_ managed _not_ to steal their parents' new partners' meds and kill their dogs. When I was 16 "not having a developed sense of morality" meant I smoked pot and shoplifted chocolate bars sometimes, there's a _pretty big fucking leap_ between that and what these kids did.
@@titaniumvulpes the child was maybe 6 or 7 years old. It’s not like she understood what she was doing
The fact that the kids knew that the religious imagery and the "repent" being repeated. Knew enough about what her issues were to the point that she didn't think her supposed sleep walking was out of the question, not to mention they specifically knew this stuff would maybe drive her off, and they knew that she had medication (and knew what medication is) means they knew exactly what they were doing and got what they deserved.
I don’t know if this was explained, but I kinda feel like I would call the police department in the nearest town and ask them to do a welfare check before heading out.
I mean the police aren’t fantastic, and they might refuse to do it anyway, but if the situation is legitimately dangerous the cops are probably going to get there first
I don't think the police would've refused a welfare check especially if the father had mentioned that his soon to be new wife had a lot of mental health issues and that he was genuinely afraid for his children's lives. But obviously a welfare check would have changed the whole outcome of the ending
@@winterlynn9012 I think that call might have add an extra layer of tension (constantly thinking: are the cops here yet?) , it could end the same way (they don't show up yet and the final scene plays), and we just don't know if and who is going to be alive when the cops come
Plus it would add a lot more realism to that dumb ass dad
Unless the lodge had a landline, they couldn't call the cops, or at least Grace couldn't. Her phone was dead, and both the kids said that their phones were too, and by the time that Grace snapped, their phones were dead for real.
@@daffyphack I was talking about the dad, who had a cell phone
I’m pretty sure cops can’t refuse to do a wellness check..
When you said it took a really long time before they reveal her face and gives this mysterious vibe to the character actually reminds me of what they also did to the character mother in goodnight, mommy
I myself have absolutely no sympathy for those kids. They honestly should have known and should have had enough morals to know not to mess with someone's mind because it's extremely cruel.
When I saw the scene with the mom combined with the following scenes, I literally thought "wait, is this an Ari Aster movie?"
Yup
The movie is just a prank gone wrong.
Agree. This one was genuinely hard to watch. The final scene - for how nauseatingly brutal it was - has quickly become one of my favorite ending scenes of late. It essentially turns the film into an ultradark cautionary tale:
"See kids? This is why you shouldn't let hate and anger get the best of you!"
"Oh shit. We fucked up" - Kids from The Lodge
You also have to remember that as soon as Grace couldn't find her meds she began to panic. The kids looked geuniely surprised and terrified when she was interrogating them.
They probably expected her to just freak out, maybe get mad, but not go full physco instantly. I can assume that they just kept digging deeper because they didn't know how to tell her that it was actually all in her head.
Kids do have that logic. "Let's just keep going, and maybe it'll get better"?
I feel bad for Grace... She tried so damn hard and all she got was that damn kid fucking with her in such a horrible way...
Do I feel bad for the kids? Yes,also yes. I would also be mad if my mom killed herself.
But it's just... They're all victims in this. Grace was a victim of the kids and the kids were victims of their own inability to see the bigger picture and fully understand their actions have consequences.
I am kinda happy it didnt have a 'happy ending' because that would paint somebody as the real bad guy which as u said wasnt really present in this. Also creepy enough without all the jump scares >_>
The older brother is 17. That is not young enough to not understand the consequences of your actions, especially after you see her completely broken and burning herself in the fire. At that point you give her the meds back.
As far as I'm concerned, they totally had it coming. The poor dog died, dammit!
Agreed. The kids were the psychopaths not Grace. Dog killing little demons.
@@TheAshMcG they didn't killed the dog, it scape and they couldn't find it
I know this is a movie but imagine the 3 of them survive and she’s deprogrammed can you imagine the trauma omg
Listening to the plot of the story and hearing how the woman reverted back to the cult mentality definitely made me respect the people who can break away from such traumatic events.
I’ve rarely been as shocked by a death in a movie as I was by the mother’s death in this.
Real self fullfilling prophecy stuff on the kids part, they saw her as what ruined their lives and through their own actions she really did ruin their lives
OH GEEE I was waiting to see this in theaters but couldn't and really enjoyed streaming it. Really annoyed by the ending but I liked it
What didn't you liked about the ending? Just curious.
Nah. Even though you understand his motivations, when you get right down to it the boy was the *clear* villain of the movie (the girl was complicit for sure, but I also feel that she was too young to realize how truly f'ed up her brother's schemes were and just did what she was told).
I had mixed feelings on this movie, and I'm planning on re-watching it soon. However, one thing I DO KNOW is that Lia McHugh's fake-crying is S tier. I saw this in a dine-in theater, and every time she started crying, I got so anxious I felt like I had to throw up.
I'm not sure if I should watch this or not tbh. BUT I can appreciate the quality. Tbh Amanda your channel is def one of my faves, I'm currently using your channel and some other commentary/review channels as inspo for my own youtube videos
Same! honestly wanna watch but it might be too slow for me I hate to admit
I get what u mean but maybe just give it a shot, if its quality it'll be worth the watch its good to get out of the comfort zone with films-some of my favorites were movies I wasn't sure about at first
as soon as you said the new girlfriend’s name, I felt imaginary eyes turn towards me
I loved how not showing Grace's face for a small chunk of the film helped illustrate to the audience how the mom and kid's viewed her as a faceless stranger.
Also i saw a review for the movie that said it was "unrealistic" for the dad and Grace to stay together after the mom's suicide. My opinion is that it is realistic because it's not they're fault the mom chose to take her own life instead of seeking help.
The Mother's suicide was her last chance to control her husband's life. To Guilt trip him. I was expecting the Mother's ghost to be messing with the kids, pushing them to do worst things to the family. What actually happens is so much worse, and excellent in it's horror.
This is one of those movies that shows me knowing exactly what happened can be scarier than any mystery or something supernatural. To me it was so much more horrifying that there was no mystery. They tell you EXACTLY what happened, and it's chilling.
“MAYBE THEY HAD IT COMING” lol
Have to disagree you on the fazit. My major takeaway is: Dont PRANK somebody into litteral insanity, especially if you know they are already struggling and have a traumatic past, dont hide their meds. If for whatever reason you did, maybe punch the brakes on that PRANK the second you notice its working a little too well. Especially if you are locked into an isolated cabin with that now insane person, especially if you are a child that cant physically stand up to that now insane person, ESPECIALLY if that now insane person has access to a bloody gun. Maybe a little long for a takeaway but I think its to the point.
The fact that her take away was “man bad” says it all
As soon as he did the hanging bit I knew he was messing with her
In my opinion, the dog dying is her loosing her last physical connection to her mental sanity, which is why it immediately caused her to break.
The directors mentioned in interviews that there isn't really a villain. I don't know, the father is an ass, the kids are basically the psycho kid trope, and Grace is having some sort of psychotic break due to gaslighting, childhood trauma, and "losing" her psychiatric medicine.
I'm tempted to say the kids are "the monster" (forgot about The Thing reference, ha) so to speak because of how far they went and its outcome, but this movie is definitely more of a tragedy than a horror movie.
I feel like I need to rewatch this. I watched it in theaters for the first time, and it really wasn’t what I expected in a bad way so I ended up walking out disappointed. The more I think about the film though, the more I appreciate it. Definitely deserves a second viewing!
I watched the moive at the Fantasy Film Fest. I thought it was pretty amazing. Though I am not sure if I agree about the kids. Aiden at least is old enough to have a moral compass.
The whole horror movie with a dollhouse that looks like the real house is overdone.
I was ready for the dad to die from the beginning. And then i was 110 percent ready when he made the dog sleep downstairs alone. The dog is the only character i loved actually hahaha
How do you forget a video you saw so you can experience a movie to its fullest extent? This sounds amazing
I absolutely loved this movie! Horror is one of my favorite genres but due t past experiences I can't really do jump scares so any horror movie that can forego that is already good in my book. But then the writing, directing, and cinematography all came together in such a delightfully dark way. I loved it.
This movie makes me WANT to stay in bed for a month
I thought about Amanda for min yesterday. TheQuartering was covering a crazy story: Woman gets guns pulled by police because she in a stormtrooper outfit for a promotion for her job on May the 4th. It was mostly all caught on tape. Apparently the police thought her toy blaster was a real gun. I expect these kind of shenanigans in the states but not in Canada..... it happened in Canada
I just feel sorry for Grace..
Amanda, I love your videos on these horror movies, because there are some movies that are way too creepy for me to either watch on my own or feel comfortable watching without a friend, but your videos make it so nice to enjoy a movie and what's about at more than the surface level without having to watch it myself!
How long do you think they'll wait before they make the horror movie inspired by 2020 itself?
Might be a bit too much of a slow burn for some but I had a great time with this movie last year at Sundance, and with this rewatch for all the little details. 'spoiler' start around 3:24
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Guys obviously the kids are little shits but just think what you might do to someone if you thought they were the reason your mom was dead and you were a stupid kid.
idk if it's so damn depressing why watch it? we watch stuff to try to get away from being depressed not to give ourselves a reason to tie the noose.
@@TheBonkleFox So it's easier to process those emotions inside ourselves. That's what Midsommar helped me deal with. It's a brutal breakup movie, but damn is it cathartic.
I don't agree with this take whatsoever, it's very dismissive of just how awful the children were. IDK about you, I was a little shitty kid but never in my life would I have thought "hey here is this victim of a horrific cult, let's create this horrifically immersive gaslight scenario and then be shocked when our actions have consequences." The kids are obviously great at research, so I doubt they didn't google what her meds were for and see the warning about stopping them.
The kids were awful. They were, without a doubt, the villains.
@@TheBonkleFox cause that's mostly what art is about. Catharsis.
The boy is 17. He knows better. Dead mom or not torturing a cult survivor _is beyond_ what you can write off as “stupid kid” shit
Great review. Love your work. You’ve pointed me to several great indie movies.
I was just watching your hereditary videos & recommended the lodge then came across this!!! I’m SO EXCITED
Kids can be frightening...
@@nuclearwire9543 Don't be such a drama queen. Not everyone likes kids but that doesn't mean they'd abuse them. And yes besides being annoying and obnoxious, children can definitely be frightening because they don't have the ability to grasp the longterm consequences of their actions.
I really think that this poor woman was dealt the short end of the stick. She was in a cult as a child, recovered and started medicating correctly in order to live a normal life, got a dog to start her new life, fell in love with a man going through with a divorce, decides to go through with starting her life by meeting his kids and trying to help them after the death of their mother, and ends up being dragged, gaslighted, and psychologically tormented back into her childhood state in which she was brainwashed by her cult leader father.
Grace is the one that should be sympathized with. The kids literally constructed a plot around her mental trauma and are surprised when she’s a mental wreck that ends up killing them all.
Watched this yesterday because of your mention in another video, it was brilliant and I had the thought "they had it coming because of the dog" as well!!! 😂
My boyfriend has two kids with his ex. I have met them, they listen to me, just like they do with their dad.
This father did a lot wrong. Not telling info about the finance, heck the relationship in general?! Also the fact that she is on meds. He wouldn't need to go into a lot of details. If it felt like he shouldn't tell another persons story. But the big one?! Leaving his finance alone with said kids for the first time.
They haven't clicked?! Heck the mom probably bad mouthed the woman in front of them. He just disregarded their feelings. Which ended in tragedy.
This dad was stupid.
The Dad did nothing wrong. You just hate men. You’re objectively wrong. The kids knew about her past and the meds. That’s why they did what they did. He was fully ready to commit to not going to work till she persuaded him to go. The only reason you have any problem with what he’s dead is because it’s a movie and you need someone to blame. The original Mom, the cult leader and the children are the villains. Not the Dad
I was an intern for the creation of the dollhouse in this film. It was some of the most fun I've ever had and I remember the supervisors telling us little tidbits about the movie, and how we had to get the dollhouse as close as possible to the actual house!
soon as you said the dog was gone i knew it couldnt end good. once the dog is gone theres no hope
I clicked on this video weeks ago because I watch random film critiques/reviews a lot but realized in the first 5 seconds that I hadn't seen this yet and I wanted to so I went and watched the movie instead and then forgot to come back and watch your video, so now I'm back :P
Reminds me of ‚a tale of two sisters‘. Not in detail but many Motivs are similar. You might really enjoy this movie (it left me truly horrified, I watched it at university and some people actually left the room)
Great movie, I have 4 explanations of shenanigans during this movie and I'm satisfied with the one they choose.
13:00 I thought There are 3 bullets in the gun… so the ending goes from no one survived to one of them survived, maybe Grace survived cult massacre once again, maybe little girl destined to repeat Grace's story
Amanda's horror recs never miss. Loved this movie.
I think we should wait until the end of December before naming the most horrifically bleak movie of 2020.
The kids deserved it. When I was the boy's age I knew better than to mess with someone's meds. I felt bad for Grace.
I loved this movie, it made me feel sick for the stomach hours after watching.
I watched this film based on your recommendation from your best of 2020 vid, and I loved it! Great twists, tension, atmosphere, etc. I was definitely in the “Frick those kids” camp, and I still am, but I guess I was empathizing with Grace and how tortured she was at the end, and I actually kind of forgot about their mom’s suicide. The kids researched her trauma and used it against her, which implies a level of sophistication that should include moral development, but trauma can absolutely blunt some development while allowing others. I appreciate your take that there is no monster here, and this is just a tragedy.
The movie is the true definition of "the more you're gonna fuck around , the more you're going to find out"
I'm glad it has a happy ending.
I think it's important to remember the kids basically hid her medication from her and that she didn't get it back. Do they ever say what she was on? Removing the medication may have been the part that doomed them all.