Peppermint OS 2022 Review - Lightweight Linux ep. 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- What other distros should be in this series? Let me know below!
We're taking a look at Peppermint OS since they have made the move from Ubuntu LTS to Debian Bullseye.
0:00 Bare essential info
1:45 Not quite an Xfce desktop
2:54 ICE 'em
3:19 Resource usage (Debian v Ubuntu)
4:49 Installer footprint (Calamares)
6:10 Peppermint Hub
8:28 Concluding thoughts
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Peppermint is solid. Great to have you back IG!
Didn't knew you are his fam too 🤯
I spun it up for testing in a VM, but haven't used this new release extensively yet. Will have to give it a try.
4GB RAM is pretty heavy for 2011 standards. Many PCs from the time have less RAM.
I'm so excited you had time to review this. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Awesome to see you posting content again. Keep it up.
I used peppermint when I was in high school to get use out of our provided laptops that were weak and locked down. I think it defaulted to lxde at the time, but it worked really well. Im glad to see its still going strong
Good to see you back !
So glad you're back
Thank you for your impartial critique of our OS. The terminal command "sudo xDaily" was not mentioned, since its original concept, then a community suggestion to have a CLI command with more feed back with a glossy presentation for the user, resulted in their idea and the xDaily being merged into its current format. It updates. upgrades, clears the cache, trims an SSD where appropriate, updates your icon cache to name a few of its benefits. Another plus point, I'm able to install in UEFI and Secure Boot, to my elderly Dell 5430 i5 test laptop without having to enter a "mokutil" password, which was required with the Ubuntu base, if you were use third party software. Regards Team Peppermint 😁
Thanks for keeping Peppermint going! I restored a Dell Latitude D810 and put Zorin Lite on it and was sad to find they were dropping x86 support. I was unsure of what Peppermint's plans were after Mark passed away (my condolences) so I didn't go with it despite it being great for older machines. Zorin just doesn't run that well on the machine so it's just sat collecting dust. I will be reformatting it and putting Peppermint on it instead to see how it does.
@@MaxDad7 We have produced 64 & 32 bit versions of PMOS with Debian's Bullseye base, currently we are testing 64 & 32 bit Devuan's Chimera base for those peps who prefer not to use systemd. Bar a spanner in the works, Devuan release will be in the near future. 😉
Would you recommend this on HDD? Is sub 1 min boot asking for too much?
@@raandomplayer8589 I would recommend on hard drives. Even Linux in general. Sub 1 minute is probably possible.
In the past I had heard of Peppermint but had not looked at it with interest because it was Ubuntu based. A few days ago I got my new SSD 870 evo and reinstalled Devuan with the netinstall iso, when finished I rebooted and my Thinkpad x220 would freeze at the uefi screen, in the past I had had no problems. I tested with Mint lmde5 and after installing it in the SSD, on reboot it would freeze at the uefi screen. I couldn't solve the problem, but then by chance I realised that Peppermint based on Devuan/Debian had been released. I had never used Peppermint because I knew it was based on Ubuntu. I installed Peppermint/Devuan and it worked with uefi on my Thinkpad x220. I am installing Peppermint on some PCs and it is very convenient to be able to choose to install Nvidia drivers during the installation process. I customised Peppermint with qogir-icon-theme and it's great. Thank you all
Thanks !
The preview was well presented, showcasing PeppmintOS for the x86_32 platform to your viewers.
As shown, the 32bit version runs very well on 64bit machines and in VM's or on very modest hardware where many OS's are known to "lag".
The change to being Debian based , as you mentioned , allows Peppermint developers to continue providing a modern OS and software for older machines.
OOTB boot-up time , on a clean install and for the LiveUSB, has been an area they seem to have spent quite some time.
In the followup comparison videos , some timed comparisons is something I'd ask to see.
Using `systemd-analyze time` from in secure boot on some older hardware or from in a VM running on modest host hardware ...
Anyway , Thanks Again.
KsW
I'd like to see your opinion of the Fluxbox edition of MX Linux.
Thanks for this episode - just waiting the #2 - I chose this distribution for an old laptop based on 32 bits with 2GB
Great review. Hope you include reviews for LXLE, Puppy Linux and MX Linux for this kind of use.
Another lightweight distro you can check out would be adelie linux. It's a super lightweight distro and has support for ARM, PowerPC, and x86. It has KDE, LXQT, and Mate flavors. I've seen the KDE option featured before and it's surprisingly lightweight on RAM usage and processes.
Very nice, thank you
Openbox might be worth a look, if you want a gateway to highly configurable window managers as minimal desktops. - you can get it largely preconfigured on Debian as 'Crunhbang ++', complete with the tintbar.
Going to give this OS a shot. I too have a 2nd Gen laptop, the i5-2450M, although replaced the hard drive with an SSD which definitely makes this computer usable. Looking forward to your Lightweight Linux series.
How was it? Are you still peppermint?
@@raihan5405 I've since replace that 35W laptop with a 6W N5030. Over time, I've settled in with EndeavourOS Budgie on 2 different machines.
one of best os i am using till now. I also play games on it using bottles software.It work great
I didn't mind Peppermint much. There was a lot good on this recent release, but I found Bhodi Linux to be my light weight distro of choice because the aesthetics seem to be a priority and despite that, it's still very light weight. I suggest a review of that to let others know about it.
Linux Lite is great and I have no plans to distro-hop from it anytime soon, but Peppermint looks right up my alley and would probably be my second choice.
Peppermint uses many components of XFCE, but in reality is a Frankenstein. It picks the most memory and process efficient components form several desktop environments. Therefore, while Linux Lite and Zorin OS Lite ends up consuming 700 MB RAM, this takes up less than 400 MB. Linux Lite and Zorin OS Lite are more suitable for a minimum 2 core four thread, 4 GB RAM, 64-bit hardware where Peppermint OS can run on a dual core 2 GB RAM 32-bit hardware/potato.
Will be expecting one's for 1gig of ram in this series
Nice work. Have you looked at AntiX Linux?
Has anyone ever tried a month long challenge to just use a terminal? Like there is mutt for email and ranger for file manager. Not sure what compromise would be needed for some websites
Nice👍
It would be great to see a Debian/Devuan based version of KDE neon with modern Plasma. In the meantime I am content with Peppermint os based on Devuan. I need stable operating systems and interfaces, I don't want to waste time with constant updates, instability and kernels that break the system.
Hope to see Antix, Tiny Core Linux, and a few others in this series
If he will show tinycore, then I really hope he at least reads their book, at least the first couple of pages. It''s not a standard linux distro.
I installed antix and OMFG it has very annoying issues with it
I will switch back to peppermint os
@@zezogamer8567 shuld i give antix a try
i have no idea why xm is at the top on dw, but have been using ppm as my primary live usb stick for here and there once in a while for a few years already. Like it very much. Ppm and Manjaro default xfce go often on old computers of mine. Which are most often used as jukeboxes. :D
can this be themed using kde plasma or something similar?
In the OS comparison list list, I want to see Zorin 16 Lite.
I wonder how this would work on a 2009 Imac?
I deleted my panel... does anyone know how to restore it?
i have an intel pentium 4 pc lga 775 socket. i can install 64 bit linux but it's not booting up, does it mean i need to use 32 bit?
You might want to review soon-to-go-final MXDE-EFL Enlightenment made by Glen MacArthur, developer for many years of AV Linux, now based on MX 21 Linux. Current EFL spin is RC2.
I've not heard of this distro. I'd love to know more, though.
@@elyzsabethahne2116 It is good to see that Troy Holt (eBuzz Central) did not yet delete your comment on his Ultramarine Cutefish review - noting that it has been deprecated. He deleted the other comments from all other posters who mentioned the word DEPRECATED despite the fact that this was known for a few months.
Given his tendency to delete posts that don't conform with his information, I no longer put much faith in his reviews despite knowledge that he does bring new or less well known Linux distros to our attention. I am a big fan of the Cutefish DE. But, why does he review a deprecated version when there are a few easy-to-install Arch-based Cutefish distros like RebornOS and my favorite, little known CachyOS?
But it is not a general use distro but a "niche" one for Multimedia purpose.
@@thierrybo6304 AV Linux MXE is a multimedia distro. MXDE-EFL is more general use distro which "may", sometime in the future, become the base for a Debian 12-based AV Linux.
What about coding ? Is it a good choice for that kind of tasks ? I have a I7 2nd and 16gb RAM , I would want a system as lean as posibbly that consumes the fewer resources possible.
SparkyLinux LXQt (semi-rolling/Debian Testing version) has become my go-to lightweight distro. Almost as polished as MX Linux (Fluxbox) but with more recent packages due to the Debian Testing branch.
using sparky lxqt more than a year , when i plug in power cord or unplug , lap brightness goes to maximum , i dont know how to fix it
@@nallathambi517 I don't use it on a laptop, sorry.
SparkyLinux is made in POLAND :)
I don't wanna be _that_ user, but 382 MB of RAM isn't _that_ impressive. Even Kubuntu starts with ~400 MB. If you're an Arch user and only use the minimum necessary from KDE you can make the OS start with ~190 MB of RAM usage.
Dude, c'mon, I've never been able to hit under 250 mb on arch even by only using tiling window managers. I doubt you can do that with kde
My tests on Debian testing several months ago:
Computer : Virtualbox 6.1
Virtualbox Guest Additions: no
Guest OS : Debian testing
Guests Kernel: 5.18
Guests RAM: 8Gb
Guests Video Ram: 128Mb
Guests (default) screen resolution: 1024x768
Ram usage 2 to 4 minutes after boot:
"Net install" without xorg for the common base, then for each DE, installed htop and each available meta packages for each DE (normally heaviest to lightest):
Gnome 42.4 - task-gnome-desktop : 880Mb (without Recommended packages: 702Mb)
Gnome 42.4 - gnome : 930Mb (without Recommended packages: 795Mb)
Gnome 42.4 - gnome-core : 814Mb (without Recommended packages: 705Mb)
LXDE 0.99.2 - task-lxde-desktop : 322b (without Recommended packages: 204Mb)
LXDE 0.99.2 - lxde : 280Mb (without Recommended packages: 198Mb)
LXDE 0.99.2 - lxde-core : 259Mb (without Recommended packages: 198Mb)
LXQT 0.16 - task-lxqt-desktop : 440Mb (without Recommended packages: 312Mb)
LXQT 0.16 - lxqt : 416Mb (without Recommended packages: 319Mb)
LXQT 0.16 - lxqt-core xorg (openbox) : 382Mb (without Recommended packages: 247Mb)
XFCE 4.16 - task-xfce-desktop : 449Mb (without Recommended packages: 272Mb)
XFCE 4.16 - xfce4 (xorg) : 348Mb (without Recommended packages: 259Mb)
MATE 1.26 - task-mate-desktop : 417Mb (without Recommended packages: 334Mb)
MATE 1.26 - mate-desktop-environment-extras lightdm (xorg) : 401Mb (without Recommended packages: 343Mb)
MATE 1.26 - mate-desktop-environment lightdm (xorg) : 376Mb (without Recommended packages: 336Mb)
MATE 1.26 - mate-desktop-environment-core lightdm (xorg) : 400Mb (without Recommended packages: 347Mb)
KDE 5.25 - task-kde-desktop : 598Mb (without Recommended packages: 393Mb)
KDE 5.25 - kde-full : 568Mb (without Recommended packages: not tested)
KDE 5.25 - kde-standard : 548Mb (without Recommended packages: not tested)
KDE 5.25 - kde-plasma-desktop (sddm) : 550Mb (without Recommended packages: 375Mb)
Cinammon: not tested
How do you connect it to wifi? It's confusing
What is that audio editing software she is using?
For old Core 2 Duo laptops and old hardware, how about another lightweight distro, Lubuntu utilizing the LXQt DE ?
Sparky works well on hardware of that era and uses LXQt, I'm using it on a Celeron M410 with 1.5Gb of ram
Peppermint is the best. My com same specification. I7 gen 2 ram 4gb.
I really would like to try Peppermint OS, but their download server is quite slow - it is located in North Korea or somewhere in Antarctica? Greetings from Germany....btw, a very good review!
@cheese Thank you for your advice & kind help. But, I switched to Xubuntu earlier today, because Xubuntu has a much better support for my new printer.
Hi Blaine, could you please tell us what video editor do you use?
At the moment I’m bouncing between kdenlive and resolve on Linux and Final Cut depending on where I am and what the project requires. I’m most comfortable in Kdenlive though so it does most of the heavy lifting.
@@InfinitelyGalactic I saw that your videos have that nice motion blur effect, didn't know it was possible on kdenlive :D
I can only install via DVD on my old pc, peppermint will fit the disk but... is there a better DVD fitting distro for pc's with no usb boot option?
Have you tried using plop linux? Create a live CD with it and it will give you the option to boot from USB on PCs with no USB boot option..
Peppermint is great.
Puppy on a Core 2 duo is fine for what it is.
Linux mint vs pepper mint which is better.
I like this! maybe I'll throw it on an old 32 bit intel atom netbook and see what happens.
I did this with peppermint 10. Put it on a net book made for xp that had 2gb of ram and an atom 2core processor. It worked better but even with an ssd it was only just barely usable. Not sure Peppermint OS is lighter weight than 10 was tbh, but ita worth a shot.
an i7 is not an old cpu. still a great vid!
I use peppermint. It's basically ubuntu with better looking folders (numix maybe?)
I wound up not using the ICE features. I was able to install all the chinese input tools i wanted though tegaki for offline character recognition was a b1+ch to configure. But fcitx for pinyin is good, was a bit tough to configure but not impossible.
I don't really like the standard software center for it but can always sudo apt-get install whatever i really want. i definitely learned linux on peppermint. if i had to try it again i might instead have used linux lite because i do want a fast system. i do have my system configured for dual boot mostly so i can stare at winbloat and hate a guy named gates. definitely switch to linux.
Are you doing Puppy Linux (eg Puppy Slacko)? Puppy Linux advantage: Sessions are not automatically saved at shut down so "saving" SSD life and perhaps no nasties on the drive. Bluetooth 'out of the box' (where Puppy Linux fails at time of writing) & TH-cam with audio are the acid text. ps 2011 and multi core is not old in my book. Written on Toshiba Portege R600 running Mate (for Bluetooth).
THAT is the only thing I'm NOt crazy about with this-- the xfce crap.. never liked that.. BUT I heard it is HIGHLY customizable-- but coming from mostly kde- it BETTER be... I want to see HOW!!!
Umbrella corp, lookout for zombies
Just tried the 386 version on my ancient Acer Aspire Atom machine. The live version looked promising, but has a keyboard driver error. It acts as though the FN key is pressed, causing the numeric key mappings to be used instead of the letter keys. To enter the letters, I have to press the FN key. If not pressed, I get the numbers. Tried various keyboard options, including the Acer ones. No joy.
This same machine runs AntiX, MX Linux, and Raspberry Pi Desktop OS (all 386 Debian-based) without difficulty. Clearly a Peppermint issue.
I was surprised not to see an active user Forum like I see with AntiX, MX, Raspberry Pi, Debian, etc.
I know that a lot or people like Peppermint, but I decided to move on. The mapping bug was less the issue than the Forums. YMMV.
I'm thinking of installing Debian Bullseye with LXQt as being the best-supported lightweight distro for this laptop.
(Lubuntu isn't an option because Ubuntu dropped 386 support.)
A user mentioned the Peppermint forum on Sourceforge. I had checked it out previously. To my mind, it was much less active than MX, Debian, etc. I chose not to post a driver question because I thought it unlikely to be answered.
I did a clean install of Debian 11/Bullseye with LXQt on my Acer. I'm pleased with the result. Not the absolute lightest, but usable as a backup if my rolling release daily driver has issues.
The Acer is 1GB RAM, single core Atom, circa Windows 98 vintage. Amazing that it is still (sorta) usable! ;-)
try this on an Intel core 2 duo.
Checkout Spiral Linux
What would be cool to know about this is what it is like having installed deb packages _(as in via synaptic or whatever other method)_ such as torrent GNU software or MediaPlayer or Office Suite so that one is not using appimages/snap/flatpak and thereby dependency trees are used... BUT... *then* also what it is like having upgraded the kernel months later after that (e.g. buster to bullseye), as in if the dependency hell kicks in or if instead everything is fine.
In exchange, here is some lightweight distro thoughts that are to help you (seeing as you asked). If you manage to find (borrow from a pal?) a PC like say a q6600 system, try Kwort linux on it on account of the fact it runs from a CDROM (installing to HDD/SSD) and needs only 256Megabytes of RAM even with a desktop running (as it is slackware), and maybe have a (2GB) gt710 Kepler GPU in it or similar (nouveau drivers), or maybe an AMD r7-240-2Gigabyte GPU. However, then, upgrade the RAM to like say 8GB (removing the 256Megabyte stick) and see how it runs and also then upgrade it to fully fledged slackware with all extras installed. IMO it (Kwort) is the most scalable _(because of the 256MB RAM and CDROM aspect)_ distro going, even more so than debian (which needs 512MB minimum these days). As an aside, a q6600 Mobo can have Libreboot, sometimes. I anticipate 64bit is best (for 8GB Kwort), however, slackware WINE is easier with 32bit _(to save tinkering with 64bit in the instructions manual to make it work correctly)._
My comment has no hate in it and I do no harm. I am not appalled or afraid, boasting or envying or complaining... Just saying. Psalms23: Giving thanks and praise to the Lord and peace and love. Also, I'd say Matthew6.
Ubuntu Server + lxqt-core + openbox
MX Linux is a good one to compare
Xfce on MX Linux uses a lot of resources resulting in lag and even crashes, according to the cons listed on Slant.
I’ll stick with old version of peppermint os. it’s works better on hp laptop.
Something Else is a strange name even for a Linux app.
you want light weight! try anti x.
Bodhi?
i thought this is pepe mint os....
Glad that they switched to Debian. I kinda hope Mint will divorce Ubuntu.
What's wrong with ubuntu? I see complaints about it a lot.
It is a good distro but it has one major flaw, it uses xfce. Xfce does not handle a 4k panel, at all. The only desktop that does is Gnome. Like it or not.
gtk scaling is settable under Xfce's Appearance app as of Xfce 4.16. Its not automatic though. and its whole number scaling.
I don't understand why people just don't download, base Debian 32 bit if they have that ancient hardware and install light weight DE and you are done...
Because people like choices and Linux is all about choices
@@PhayzinOut yes and no, too much choice like we have now in Linux actually makes people not even want to try it....
Because honestly there's really only 3 distros fedora, Debian, Arch...
Yes i know there is some obscure Linux distros like Solus ETC
Like i said just download base 32 Debian and add the package you want
*how to add a layout switcher to a panel?*