Peppermint OS - It's Debian?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:54 What is PeppermintOS?
1:45 Design of XFCE
2:23 Install
4:57 Why Peppermint OS
6:03 What's Included?
14:52 Neofetch
15:10 The Particulars
15:50 The Peppermint Hub
19:46 Is it Good?
20:55 Wrapping Up
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Debian Sensible Browser isn't actually a browser but a script that calls whatever browser you have installed and set as your default, a bit like what you said about Xfce being able to call your web browser from the menu. That browser you have there is Kumo SSB, a site specific browser much like Mint's WebApps.
Still an extremely rare browser though, I've never heard of Kumo SSB
Exactly. "Sensible" is often times used as another word for "default" in a lot of distributions, I've noticed.
That probably explains why I couldn't find it in either my search or in Discover.
I'm surprised he didn't realize that since i3-sensible-terminal is the default setting in i3. Maybe he didn't actually spend much time with base i3 lately?
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Debian Sensible Browser, is in fact, Kumo/Debian Sensible Browser, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Kumo plus Debian Sensible Browser. Debian Sensible Browser is not a browser unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Kumo browser made useful by the Kumo core libraries, utilities and vital system components comprising a full web browser as defined by web standards.
Many computer users run a modified version of the Kumo browser every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Kumo which is widely used today is often called Debian Sensible Browser, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Kumo browser, developed by the Kumo Project.
There really is a Debian Sensible Browser, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the browser they use. Debian Sensible Browser is the script: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The script is an essential part of a web browser, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete web browser. Debian Sensible Browser is normally used in combination with the Kumo web browser: the whole browser is basically Kumo with Debian Sensible Browser added, or Kumo/Debian Sensible Browser. All the so-called Debian Sensible Browser distributions are really distributions of Kumo/Debian Sensible Browser!
One of the things that bugs me about Xfce is the inconsistent size of icons in the system tray. It's so wonky - you would think someone would have come up with a way to fix that.
to me it was the fact I can't make the xfce panel look like a polybar config. the taskbar is stupidly basic.
the pulse audio icon was too big for me so i went into /usr/share/icons and i found the one that pulse audio uses and replaced it with my own icon
Mine is the way windows are rendered, you can see it at the 12:31 mark, the window decoration gets rendered first and then the contents of the window gets rendered after, it gives a sluggish unpolished feel to the whole desktop in my opinion, I think mate does the same thing, kde, cinnamon, and gnome don't have this problem.
You can fix that by clicking on adjusting the icon size automatically in the panel preferences.
Switched to Peppermint OS after my Manjaro install just randomly got bricked and am loving it so far. You are absolutely right about the browser and flatpack comments, but it was easy enough to do.
Peppermint is bad Distro based on debian but heavy as ubuntu nothing special, MXLinux and Linux Mint LMDE is good,
@@Malik-101 idk I'm liking it so far. It's pretty bare. But I've been wanting to try MX Linux. Maybe I'll try it in a VM.
It's nice, but since the passing of Mark Greaves, Peppermint ain't Peppermint anymore. Peppermint 8 was my very first Linux distro. Light around 345 Mb after startup and blazingly quick. It was a mix of LXDE and Xfce and based on Ubuntu. It was always a very minimal distro, so you could install what you wanted, not what the developer/developers wanted. Mark Greaves was a genius.
Matt I have a request could you check out eznix OS? It's also based on Debian.
Sparky is a good Debian based distro too, though not pure like EznixOS which is just Debian with Eznix's configuration.
@@folksurvival Sparky too imo😉
I think that Peppermint Os is a pretty good distro, I used it for a school laptop and it works pretty good considering that for my experience, it works just fine. I came from Ubuntu so it was pretty easy to learn and took so much less ram than Windows. I switched to Arch but I had a very good time with using Peppermint.
I used Peppermint as my main distro for several years before moving on to MX Linux. Initially I was dismissive of this current release until I saw your review. While it is too minimal to be useful as a daily driver I think Peppermint is perfect for this old laptop that I have laying around, where I don't want to worry too much about having the latest software or constantly updating Firefox or whatever. Who knows I might give it a try now :)
Peppermint OS was initially created as a social media-centric distribution. So it's of course going to have a browser. I remember when I first learned about it, it was considered an alternative to something like Chrome OS.
As someone said, "Debian Sensible Browser" is just a script that loads what's supposed to be the default browser. In this case, it does appear to be LuiaKit. Funny thing is when DistroTube looked at this, he thought it was Qutebrowser.
I had an old samsung laptop from 2009 that wouldn't run well with any other OS I tried (arch with xfce, ubuntu 64 and 32 bit, linux mint, AntiX linux). Every distro I tried had a weird issue with my laptop where characters would just disappear and flicker in any app, graphical elements wouldn't render properly, some would get duplicate, some would render in the wrong spot, some would just flicker and become black boxes. Most of those distros were super slow on my machine, boot took minutes and opening a program could take 30 to 45 seconds. The most usable was Ubuntu 32bit because it's the only one that wouldn't glitch the fuck out every 2 seconds (it still did but it did it a lot less), so I settled with it for a few months. But the lack of software support was really bad
When I installed this specific version of Peppermint OS, boot time went down to around 40 sec, and opening programs takes a few seconds after boot, and less than a second after that (even bloated-ass chromium). No more graphical glitches, everything is supported because it's 64 bit, my bluetooth headphones worked perfectly (I had to install blueman first), WIFI picked up the signal with no issue, my flatpak with flathub was easy to setup (programs show up in the system menu with no issue), I can play music on my SONOS, I can chromecast to my TV, my printer just works out of the box, even steam worked well, so I played some Duke3D and Ion Fury, pretty much the only thing that would run on this 15 year old Intel integrated graphics chip, but it RAN.
From now on, this is 100% the distro I'm using on any obsolete hardware I can find.
Libreoffice not installed... thankgod.
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Peppermint is pretty nice. If you want to add some personal favorites, you can certainly _install_ them. The iso is straight forward too, so it is easy to remaster with goodies you like.
What are the technical advantage vs. disadvantages using or not using system D?
greetings...peppermint also has a devuan version. debian without systemd. it has not been updated to bookworm yet as awaiting the devuan team to expunge systemd from debian.
it uses the sysV init, however, i replaced with runit. a debian with runit system running fine last few months with no issues. i added the tdetrinity de/wm to switch too if i wish less xfce bloat (esp. the panel - which it seems each applet takes 20-40mb on avg). i have an old system, 16+ yrs., with 3gb ram running fine. suggest checking out their devuan edition.
peace ~ cheers...
The old Peppermints turned those old dog netbooks into an amazingly fast cloud based machine affordable and light like a Chromebook but pure FOSS. On a better computer, it got even faster. That's also what led to the no installed browser concept that people stumble on. For those who wanted speed and cloud over all else, they picked accordingly and those who prioritized privacy/opensource made their choice. From that legacy given that we all mostly agree there is no perfect browser even today, it all makes sense though granted it challenges someone new. Absolutely it was gutting when Mark died. Culturally I respect those who say light a candle, turn off the lights and the story ends but equally I respect those who say the survivors should carry on the legacy. Pep was going to have to evolve and many things all point to the wisdom of basing on Debian. To me, in both beauty and benchmarks, this is certainly a worthy project, it's emphasis on choice let's you go big or small, use packages or flatpak, and this is a project for the future.
Peppermint is bad Distro based on debian but heavy as ubuntu nothing special, MXLinux and Linux Mint LMDE is good, The only thing i like about Peppermint while installation user can choose which softwares to install.
Funny you should mention 'old dog netbooks'. I just installed Peppermint/Bookworm on a 2008 vintage Asus 1000HD netbook. I've got it setup to boot the new PeppermintOS from a 32GB SDHC flash card. That way I can retain PM10 and Windows XP on the internal SSD. Peppermint/Bookworm is working great! Who says you can't teach 'old dogs' new tricks? lolz
PeppermintOS/Bookworm employs LUAKIT for Vim-style browsing, not qutebrowser, nor Debian sensible browser. It's easy to misidentify them. They all look pretty much the same.
I mean, it literally says Debian Sensible Browser. It also says Luakit. Could have saved us all the confusion and installed Firefox
I appreciate the efforts of Peppermint OS to keep things down to earth for "normal users", but given where I land on the spectrum it just makes me appreciate a vanilla Debian+XFCE a lot more lol. Good tour, really weird defaults but could be worse.
I hope you can do one review for puppy Linux, I love the lxde interface. But too bad, hard to find the actual iso. Windows detects that its a virus
How to remove peppermint os and install windows 10?
I love peppermint as a lightweight distro. I installed it in my virt-manager and wanted to use R-studio for some reason but rstudio is not available for debian 12 yet 😂😂
Peppermint is bad Distro based on debian but heavy as ubuntu nothing special, MXLinux and Linux Mint LMDE is good,
The original founder of Peppermint OS would be turning in his grave with what they have done to his project.
Why Shane is still alive and well who are referring 😂
Why?
@@grafik0859 Mark Greaves died in 2020
@@jackelofnar yeah bro he did not found peppermint, you should wiki that it is a guy named Shane and a guy named Kendall founded peppermint, Mark came in later in fact Peppermint was founded in the USA in the state of North Carolina. As far as I am aware of both Shane and Kendall are still alive and well don't say the founder is passed. Maybe say the last project lead 😉
I like Debian, Perhaps I will give this a whirl. Debian 12, Downloaded it. I'm not sure which version I was on earlier this year.
Does VMware and torrent there?
It seems they may have made it impossible; using the Calamari? early in the process it asked for a user password. ????? This doesn't appear in the guidelines; nothing in the forums I checked - some refs. to Mint and leaving it blank but that didn't work. I got the message though; forget about attempting installing Linux unless it's treated as a game like Suduko where there are clues to be found by no actual instructions.
The new peppermint is debian, i'm enjoying it on my HP laptop with nvidia graphics, really impressive.
I have one computer which has a very low spec CPU. I feared I would have to build up from a Debian server base to a desktop on this machine. An ultra Light Debian 12 XFCE 4.18 seems like a great starting point for this box. I will need a real browser and Flatpak support set up. This distro does all the heavy lifting feared doing myself. I am not a vim guy, I will have to replace Vim. I think I can work with this thing, even perhaps in VMs. Thanks for the video.
Look at those flowing locks, bruv. I’m envious of any guy with growing hair.
9:10 Weird, we were trying it earlier in a VM and 'Luakit' indeed appears in the default titlebar text value before the website starts loading - maybe your internet is just too fast to connect to a website for you to see the browser indicate its own name
Also isn't "Debian Sensible Browser" just /usr/bin/www-browser (symlinks to a browser via dpkg update-alternatives magic)?
i used to run Peppermint OS 10 and then the respin as my main driver and loved it. But dropped it when they changed the format. Did Linux Mint XFCE then LMDE 5 when it dropped.
This is pretty much how I theme Xfce on my Debian install, maybe I should have used PeppermintOS and they basically do it for me.
I've never understood why it matters what packages are included, just install them yourself? I don't like having Firefox installed as I always have to uninstall it to use Brave. Having random things like a calendar and clock thing installed would annoy me.
That’s what distros are there for, you know, out of the box and ready to use.
@@ISCARI0T then at the same time I want to configure my own from 'scratch' haha
I guess they are never going to be perfect as someone else's preferences will never match yours exactly.
This looks like a great minimal distro to me.
I tried it on some older computers--because it was recommended for that. It never worked well for me after giving it several tries on several machines using several different versions of the distro.
Peppermint is bad Distro based on debian but heavy as ubuntu nothing special, MXLinux and Linux Mint LMDE is good,
@@Malik-101Get a life dude. How many times are you going to post this?
Hi Matt, im back, your camera looks amazing, nice vid bro
hrm I'd spun up a vm of peppermint to play with an didn't find a compelling reason to continue but its a nice OS. Good for lightweight machines etc that dont have a lot of power.
I have been running Peppermint on my Thinkpad t430. It runs great. I needed the minimal install. I found the browser and the flathub weird too. I think a person would have to have basic knowledge of terminal.
Living in Santiago de los Caballeros, I installed the old Peppermint 7, 9 and 10 a few times on old computers often Pentium 4 HT (1C2T 3.X GHz). I was sad, when they moved from Ubuntu to Debian. I skipped the first release too primitive. I did install this new release in a VM and will look the coming period, how it behaves. For the browsers I installed snapd and the latest stable Firefox snap :) For family and friends I probably would install Microsoft Edge, it is more efficient with memory :)
Whoa a trash browser over privacy well-done 😂
@@grafik0859 If you want privacy avoid Facebook; TH-cam Tik Tok; Instagram; X; all other social media apps; all Google apps; all Meta apps; all Mac apps and all Windows apps. Stop fighting wind mills like Don Quixote. The only ones who could guarantee a minimal enforceable privacy are EU and US regulations.
I believe that debian-sensable-browser is a symlink or a placeholder for your default browser, not sure though
They used the most sensible browser for Debian. (Never heard of it either lol)
So turns out that luakit is a browser according to the arch wiki.
It is, but I think it's meant for a backend, but I'm not sure. I think it's what Vieb uses
@@TheLinuxCast nah it's just its own browser, kinda like qutebrowser but configured in lua and uses webkit and gtk instead of chromium via qt hence the name. Vieb uses Electron which is based on chromium so it's definitely not based on luakit
Looking at new debian installation I'm not sure peepermint os is worth spending time anymore. The developers should consider contributing to debian or xfce.
Let's say a script in your distro wants to open a browser window. "sensible-browser" lets you do it without the need to first find out which browser(s) are available. Ok, I'm just repeating what patpopov already said, but then again, algorithm likes comments.
Finally a sensible browser.
Kumo got nothing do with samba, it’s a gui to create web apps. Peppermint don’t include a default browser because they want to you chose to install the default browser. Personally, I found q4os does a better job with desktop profiler with what peppermint is trying to achieve. Btw, I would rather use lynx than the Debian sensible browser.
Could you talk more about Arch please
what is there to even be talked about honestly? genuine question
@@VioletRMyou could say that about any distro honestly, some people just like to learn about certain distros, I wish there was more FreeBSD content personally.
@@tylerdean980There used to be Robonuggie for FreeBSD content but he announced he would be taking a break for a bit due to family issues.
02:44 For Debian 12 there is probably no Calamaris installer.
There are many isos with calamares with Debian 12. cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/
@@TheLinuxCast Thank you very much for this link.
Don’t forget about the password for the live installer is live.
@@oscs4556 Use net installer ISO, Standard ISO & Live installers ISO have respian firmware problem.
Best PPM OS to me was OS 10 respin, os 11 sucked and less newby friendly, I went back to respin, but no longer updated, so moved to Cinnamon.
"Debian is hard to install" - try Vanilla OS at manual partition mode. I wonder how they can make such a name for themselves without getting the basic things right when making a distro in 2023. For example, even if you select ext4 for home directory, it will auto switch to btrfs. Etc. I tried it, then installed Debian 12, and I can confirm Debian is much better, maybe it has a few more screens but thats about it.
I have used Peppermint OS in the past, it was the only light weight distro for an old Dual Core Celeron laptop that seemed to have a good balance between having useful software and no bloatware. But I did not know their direction has changed with latest release. MX became harder to beat without any competition.
about the browser .... just open the initial hub (opens at startup......) click on suggested..... and you will see a lot of options there..... no need to be an expert...... so part of the video is pointless
It's always seemed to be a pointless distro to me.
agree
In what way
@@grafik0859 Peppermint is based on debian but it heavy as ubuntu, use more pc resources like ram and cpu, If you install MxLinux which is also based on debian you can feel MxLinux is faster & MxLinux is more polished and easy to use, Peppermint is bad in terms of software center and other features, It is better to use latest debian than peppermint, debian is fast. There is not a single thing about peppermint tha i can say. It is pointless distro
I don't think they intended to do what mx does why compare to mx ,🤔 that's like apples and oranges.
@@grafik0859 Why not just use Debian with xfce?
So Matt bfs is better then ext4, if that is the case you would agree Nano is way better then vim. LOL
no. lol
incense and peppermints
I was hoping to give Debian 12 a spin, but once I visited their website and saw how disorganized it was, I passed on it.
@@akashp01 There is a difference between set up to keep lazy people out and then there is a disorganized mess... their website was the latter of the two. Even their links where a hot mess sending you around the site like a pin ball machine.
@akashp01 Matt doesn't really have a lot of time to fumble round badly design web sites that you need to dig for basic info in search. Of all the distro websites Debian is by far the worst.
@@akashp01 I've been tinkering with computers for over 40 years. I'm done tinkering. If your distribution is too lazy to create a decent website, then I'm too old to waste my time.
FIRST!
Peppermint is bad Distro based on debian but heavy as ubuntu nothing special, MXLinux and Linux Mint LMDE is good,
CUTE BROWSER Distro Tube check peppermint recently
LuaKit
Distrotube had it wrong. It was Luakit