Its so weird because when i was a JW..everything that was "bad" felt like a forbidden temptation that i inevitably ended up doing in secret. Now that i no longer believe in the "truth" i have broken free from all my bad habits. Which i realize now i was only doing because i was on self destruct mode. I felt that if i wasn't going to paradise, then my life was worthless. I feel so much worth in myself now. I thank the Lord I decided to truly seek him. Its never to late. Im 25 now. Even though that is still young. The earlier you mentally remove yourself from this groups control the better. Get back the free will God gave you and put it to good use :)
It's like listening to your granddad, he pops you on his knee and in the most loving way reveals the world for what it is in the most comforting way, not to scare you but to simply reveal truth.
You have to check out video called the great salvation 52mis channel is SOS out of dark Ness is about truth of saved you won't be disappointed it's about Angeles
I am absolutely flabbergasted by this video, as a former JW I wasn't aware of this knowledge....it makes me sad very sad we seem to have got lost as humans....
Thank you so much! I am very happy to hear Professor and brother James Penton. Deep respect for him as a Christian, historian, writer and storyteller. Thank you Eric for your work and such an opportunity to listen to James on your channel too. We all want to continue the Watchtower’s real story.
Eric, this series is PRICELESS. I hope you are translating or converting them into hard copy transcripts in case the Internet goes down one of these days
I’m a little late to this video, obviously, but it’s absolutely fascinating! Thank you so much for this information. I was 39 years deep in. Almost 4 years out, I can’t believe how much was hidden or outright lied about. I’ve learned more in these last few years…and boy oh boy!!!
@Michael Smith I'm currently reading 'Crisis of Conscience' and it is a mind blowing book! I was born in. I faded from this cult in 2013. I'm disappointed by the lies, incompetence and basically corrupt leadership of this disgusting cult! I'm happy to be out, but sad about it sometimes. 🤯
Have you read Crisis of Allegiance?, if not you shld it's fantastic it's also about Dr. James Penton and how that cult did him the same as they did Rayman Franz
Hmm apogolypse delayed.okay. English major can't spell. But thank you. Find this fascinating. That book along with Crisis of Conscience r on my list. Thanks so much
@@khadijahdavis1572 Crisis of Allegiance? New to me. Number three. Love it......um xLDS just fascinated by the similarities.....no disrespect to your faith...we are all trying here. Thanks again. Very hrlpful
I CANNOT believe that Penton is 87! A strikingly handsome man in the service of the Lord. I remember avoiding his books when I looked things up online during my days as a witness. It a funny how I now as a Christian see things very differently. And now I know that my former so called brothers view me as a toxic apostate. But it as sad as that is it is great to go through what the apostles went through. There is no other way about it. I marvel at how poorly I read the Bible despite reading the bible every day (and that is not something witnesses do. Unless you count “The daily Text” 😂)
We had an older elder that regularly questioned stuff in the literature [old timey] and wrote to the 'society' for explanation. He was always told to wait for the org to say 'in print' if his thoughts were sound or not and to refrain from running ahead of the org. He was happy to 'figure' that he may not live to see if his thoughts panned out or not [probably why he wasn't booted out - this was in the 70s].
So very interesting Mr. Penton. Thank you so much for sharing your extensive knowledge with us so that we may be richer in our learning of the bible. Very appreciative for your time and efforts.
It was very useful. Thanks very much mr Penton. I really appreciate your incite as a Canadian raised a Jehovah’s witnesses in the 70s I value your thoughts very much. Your interview on Lloyd Evans channel was there as I was waking up. Your words were just what I needed quote Jehovah’s witnesses do not have the truth get over the shock of being disfellowshiped and get some joy in your life. Thanks for this video
Great work.Awesome video..I would certainly keep it handy.It’s amazing what wishful thinking and all sorts of fallacies can do.Thanks Mr.Penton for your scholarly work.
Dr. Penton, it has been a true blessing to see you are alive and well and still kicking the Watchtower can down the block. Your work in this arena is much needed and hope you can keep up the good work. I hope you and Marilyn are in good health and enjoying your prime years. We have shared some great memories in past years, and look forward to hearing the continuation of your series with Beroean Pickets. May God bless you both richly! We miss you in Idyllwild!
@Beroean Pickets Can you explain the 6000 years of creation?Do you have video on this? I am learning so much and you have helped me finally feel close to god.I was born into the JW and believe some of their teaching but never really had a good close feeling. I always had issue with the boring music and not being able to play sports as a kid. I missed out on so much and now that I look back I was depressed because of that religion.
@@johntedder8457 remember the saying, stay alive til 75? I'd not think the gb of that time was any different. In fact the further back you go into this organization the more often you find false end time predictions that never come to pass as well as legalistic rules about organ transplants and blood transfusions. We also know now that Rutherford was the most important leader the society ever had. He was a drunk and womanizer and enjoyed luxury on the backs of the congregations.
Just wish the JWS would know this truth you talk about James ! What a great History lesson on there so called truth ? Jesus is the only truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you Brother Wilson and Brother Penton for this presentation. I had always dismissed criticism of the origen of Watchtower as being just another of Satan's schemes against true worship. But, after years of suffering mistreatment by Watchtower, I finally read both of Ray Franz' books. Your narrative of Watchtower's history serves to support those who are awakening from spiritual "narcolepsy". Again, thanks.
Vintage , Google : Pro. James Penton's book "Apocalypse Delayed". It belongs on the shelf . . Right next to Bro. Raymond Franz's 2 books in the "Must Read" section for exjw critical thinkers"! Read this Book Vintage (if you haven't already). Trust me , you won't regret it! ☺️👍👍
Thank you - I thoroughly enjoyed listening to Mr. Penton. I get the same warm feeling listening to him as I did reading Raymond Franz books. So happy to have this preserved for future generations.
The bible gives us the rules to live by and how to apply them. So why does anyone think they can add to or take from? Why do so many think they need to follow a man made religion? Follow the commandments, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart soul and mind, this is all we need to know anything else causes confusion and lies of which Satan is the father of. The rules are simply too simple, we think we will be heard for much speaking and put ourselves on pedastools. These things are our downfall.
Thank you for your knowledge and insight into the origins of Watchtower. It takes away the mystique and shows they could never have become the only organisation doing God's will in 1919 when Christ supposedly did his inspection.
Thank You to both of you James Penton and Eric Wilson. You are both very smart and have helped so much in the waking up of Jehovah witnesses and the ongoing Battle against this wicked organization. I am very thankful for both of you. You've helped me a lot and I hope to one day show my family whose still inside these videos. I find myself just watching your videos for hours on end until my battery runs out. 😁
Really interesting. A lot of James's archive information echoed my own studies over the years but as to the involvement of Maria's contribution in the 'Studies in the Scriptures' was new to me although that is something mentioned briefly in JW.ORG as a reason for their separation. JW.ORG is a great source for half truths! As James said it was Maria who first initiated the suggestion that CTR was the 'Faithful and discreet slave' and that taken from a manipulation of the Matthew 24:45 text ... "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics to give them their food at the proper time?" [NWT] This is and has been along with the following parable of the wise and foolish virgins for some 1,800 years accepted and it's meaning perfectly understood as being the relationship between the master of the household and his servant, but Russell by adding another layer of interpretation to this gives a different meaning by changing the slave to be Russell himself and the house owner to be the Christ (albeit invisibly). The idea that these parables would be written but only understood at the end times is fanciful. Mankind only has a limited life span in which to make their judgements for their souls and these parables would have been as relevant to someone living in the 8th or 14th century as well as now.
Osarian Russell himself never claimed to a sole position of being the faithful and wise servant, although I am certain that he sought to be faithful and wise in his service to the Master. Russell did acknowledge that others applied this to him as being the solely this faithful and wise servant. Russell's last statement I could find concerning this was: Quote: Some of the dear brethren seem to find as much about Brother Russell in the Bible as they find about the Lord Jesus, and I think that is a great mistake. I do not find it there. Some of them say that I am blinded on that subject, that they all can see better than I can. Perhaps they can, I do not know, but I think, dear friends, that there is a danger in that direction, and I would like to put you all on guard. I think it is the Lord's will that we should recognize every agency God uses, but we are not to recognize any agency of God as being in any competition whatever with the Lord or with his divine arrangement. He is the fountain of blessing, he only is most to be praised. I think that is the right sentiment. I believe you all agree with that. And yet I think there is a danger of some dear friends preaching Brother Russell. Brother Russell would like for you not to do so. He thinks it would not be to the glory of God. Let me repeat, then, dear friends, that in my opinion we have so much of the Gospel of God, so much of his plan to study, so many opportunities of showing forth his praises, that we should employ all our time in that way. My advice, therefore, is that we give very little attention to anything outside of that. The Scriptures do indeed say that we may render honor to him to whom honor is due, and that is applicable to anybody and everybody; as, for instance, we look back and we see Martin Luther, and he did a grand work, and we thank God for him; and we might say the same of John Wesley, and very truthfully; I am glad in God's providence he lived, and that he was a faithful man. And there were others of the Lord's people in the past. Let us be glad and rejoice in every one, and be thankful to God he has used various agencies in helping us, and in helping others, and in bringing forward his great cause; but let us not go into anything that would be at all like man-worship, for I am sure that would be displeasing to the Lord and injurious to ourselves. I remind you again of the Scripture in Revelations where the Church is pictured, which we called attention to, I believe, thirty years ago. John, the revelator, who was seeing these things, fell down to worship the angel who showed them to him, and the angel said, "See thou do it not; worship God; I am thy fellow-servant." And so, dear friends, if our Heavenly Father and our Heavenly Lord have used Brother Russell in any measure he is very glad and very thankful to be used. And if the Lord is pleased to use him any more, he will be glad to be used down to the last breath, but he does not want any worship, he does not want any undue adoration, he does not want any praise. He is glad to have the love of all those who are brethren of the Lord and to be considered a fellow-servant with all, striving to bring to pass all the glorious things that God has promised, striving to tell the good tidings of great joy to as many as the Lord, our God, shall call. -- Emdquote. -1910; ("Convention Report Sermons", pg. 125) mostholyfaith.com/Beta/bible/CRS/1910a.asp#CR125:1
Matthew.24:36 But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. And keep reading. That is for the closing probation time individually for everybody .. The read history of Noah's time, Lot's time and parable of 10 virgins. In those 3 events you will find 3 doors closing. and then the coming of Jesus.
Why dont you guys just deconvert? I grew up southern Baptist and I've now realized the belief system is just as silly as the JWs. May not be as toxic, but silly none the less. There isn't any truth to the bible. It was the most freeing thing for me when i figured it out. I partially have JWs to thank for this. After looking into how crazy their beliefs are, it caused me to question my own beliefs.
wow, many thanks eric and james, henry Drummond was from my village here in England and his house still stands today, which of course held my attention right through your talk james, I might add, for a man of your years you have a very kind sparkle in your eye, which is very warming, thank you steve
That came from Revelation.3:14-20. Last church out of 7 churches. The warm church. Preach the hole world revelation 14:6-11 to revive the spirit in all flesh and then the 2nd coming. By the way this old man is say the truth history of denominations.
That is also on his tombstone. I would not want to be associated with the Laodicean Church which is essentially the final apostate age of the church. Very appropriate for Chuck though
Candy Irish Maria Ackley Russell also was the one who first came up with the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" doctrine (by misinterpreting Mat. 24:45-47) and applying this term to her husband, beginning in 1895. I read this in Dr. Penton's book "Apocalypse Delayed: the story of Jehovah's Witnesses", where on pages 47 and 48 he presents research that traces the whole idea of a last days appointment of an FDS back to her.
Ty James easy to understand ,and things I never knew I believe many back then were genuinely searching for the right path ,today they seem to be in turbo mode for control and money
As far as time prophecies are concerned. Rutherford actually rejected practically everything Rutherford and Barbour presented. He evidently wanted to use the time prophecies to bolster his "Jehovah's visible organization' dogma, and thus came up with totally new applications for those time prophecies. The only one the JWs today use in any way similar to Russell is that of the seven times of Daniel 4.
@@aquillaaquilla4038 Didn't see this until today. My devotion is to my Lord Jesus and his God. I am grateful for God's use of Brother Russell to bring forth many truths from the Bible, but I don't know what is being referred to by "that's gotta hurt". What is it that gotta hurt? The fact that the JWs have rejected almost all that Russell presented related to chronology and time prophecies? This doesn't certainly doesn't hurt me.I do not tenaciously hold to all of Brother Russell's conclusions. Some of the Bible Students do similarly to the Jehovah's Witnesses in that they present a different chronology -- some reject 607/6 as being the date of Jerusalem's destruction. Some simply reject all that Russell wrote about time prophecies and chronology. Nevertheless, I still love them and hold them in high esteem. Nevertheless, there are those who would turn study of Bible chronology and study of time prophecies into dogma. Russell did not do this, nor do I. rlbibleresources.blogspot.com/2016/12/chronology.html
Can I ask whether Mr Penton accepts Jesus words at Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 which talks about end times as well as the destruction of Jerusalem? The book of Revelation carries the same theme although I am aware that there were textual variants. I was a witness until 28 years ago.
Rose Ball apparently appeared much younger than she was, as some described as being about 12 when she came to live with the Russells. As far as I know, while she was alive, no one ever questioned her about the validity of Mrs. Russell's claims; apparently she and her husband were not on speaking terms with either of the Russells after about 1909. A large portion of Mrs. Russell's hear-say testimony was stricken from the records, as they were considered out of the time element involved. For links to some more of my own research: rlctr.blogspot.com/p/marital_3.html
This really expanded upon my understanding of the origins of Russel and the IBSA. Thank you Prof. Penton! I am looking forward to this series. God bless.
@@Sirach144 Russel died in 1916 as an International Bible Students Association president. Then Rutherford managed to be voted in as president over the IBSA. It was during July 1931 Rutherford changed the name to jehovahs witnesses. How is it there are two different belief systems?
@@thinkingman2020 While it appears that many Bible Students failed to make the distinction, Russell was actually the president of the legal entity in London that was designated "International Bible Students Association." At the same time, Russell referred to the association of Bible Students world wide as "International Bible Students Association." Russell was not "the president" of the worldwide association, but he was the president of the legal entity in England. Russell, at least for a while, endeavored to get local ecclesias to refer to themselves as "Associated Bible Students" instead of "International Bible Students", but this recommendation evidently failed to be applied by most local ecclesias. The term, "International Bible Students" remained. I have more related to this on one of my websites: rlctr.blogspot.com/2016/10/ibsa.html Russell was definitely, however, never a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Rutherford created the Jehovah's Witnesses organization by rejecting the core teachings of Russell and the Bible Students, especially as related to the atonement and authority. Rutherford, however, at first sought to bring the Bible Students into subjection to his claimed authority; when the vast majority of the Bible Students around the world rejected his "Jehovah's visible organization" dogma, Rutherford named his organization "Jehovah's Witnesses" in order to distinguish his organization from the Bible Students. The Bible Students Association, however, was never intended to be a "religion." Russell did speak of the true church, which he described as follows: Quote: (1913) The one true Church, dear friends, is the church of the Bible. There never has been but that one true Church. All others are false, and if I built up another church I would be building up another false one. That is not our proposition at all. The I.B.S.A. holds out the proposition which the Bible stands for, namely, that all people who are trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ, and consecrated to follow in his steps, are of the church of the living God whose names are written in heaven. The I.B.S.A. recognizes no other church. It does not say that only those in the I.B.S.A. constitute the church. It recognizes that all true Christians in the various churches should be awake, and we are trying to awaken them to the truth. The I.B.S.A. recognizes that these true Christian people are in danger of falling into infidelity, unless they get the true light of God's Word, and so is trying to bring all Christian people to study the Bible, and thus into complete union as the church of Christ. -- What Pastor Russell Said, page 348. :Endquote. mostholyfaith.com/Beta/bible/QB/qb.asp?xRef=Q348:3#Q348:3 In his book, Thy Kingdom Come, Russell wrote: Quote: No earthly organization can grant a passport to heavenly glory. The most bigoted sectarian (aside from the Romanist) will not claim, even, that membership in his sect will secure heavenly glory. All are forced to admit that the true Church is the one whose record is kept in heaven, and not on earth. They deceive the people by claiming that it is needful to come to Christ through them – needful to become members of some sectarian body in order to become members of "the body of Christ," the true Church. On the contrary, the Lord, while he has not refused any who came to him through sectarianism, and has turned no true seeker away empty, tells us that we need no such hindrances, but could much better have come to him direct. He cries, "Come unto me"; "take my yoke upon you, and learn of me"; "my yoke is easy and my burden is light, and ye shall find rest to your souls." Would that we had given heed to his voice sooner. We would have avoided many of the heavy burdens of sectism, many of its bogs of despair, many of its doubting castles, its vanity fairs, its lions of worldly-mindedness, etc. Surely all know that whenever they join any of these human organizations, accepting its Confession of Faith as theirs, they bind themselves to believe neither more nor less than that creed expresses on the subject. If, in spite of the bondage thus voluntarily yielded to, they should think for themselves, and receive light from other sources, in advance of the light enjoyed by the sect they have joined, they must either prove untrue to the sect and to their covenant with it, to believe nothing contrary to its Confession, or else they must honestly cast aside and repudiate the Confession which they have outgrown, and come out of such a sect. To do this requires grace and costs some effort, disrupting, as it often does, pleasant associations, and exposing the honest truth-seeker to the silly charges of being a "traitor" to his sect, a "turncoat," one "not established," etc. When one joins a sect, his mind is supposed to be given up entirely to that sect, and henceforth not his own. The sect undertakes to decide for him what is truth and what is error; and he, to be a true, staunch, faithful member, must accept the decisions of his sect, future as well as past, on all religious matters, ignoring his own individual thought, and avoiding personal investigation, lest he grow in knowledge, and be lost as a member of such sect. This slavery of conscience to a sect and creed is often stated in so many words, when such a one declares that he "belongs" to such a sect. These shackles of sectarianism, so far from being rightly esteemed as shackles and bonds, are esteemed and worn as ornaments, as badges of respect and marks of character. So far has the delusion gone, that many of God's children would be ashamed to be known to be without some such chains -- light or heavy in weight, long or short in the personal liberty granted. They are ashamed to say that they are not in bondage to any sect or creed, but "belong" to Christ only. :Endquote. -- Thy Kingdom Come, pages 185-187. And also Russell stated: Quote: I am aware that several churches claim to be Catholic, each declaring itself the true Church and reprobating the others as heretical. I take the still broader catholic ground-that the word catholic means general; and that any limitation such as Roman Catholic, Greek Catholic, etc., to that extent denies their catholicity. Perhaps, therefore, I am really saying that I am more catholic than any of these brethren. I must prove my point or be misunderstood. I hold, and few, if any, will dispute it, that the one catholic or general Church of Christ is that mentioned in the Bible -- the Church of the Firstborns, written in Heaven. If this be admitted, my next proposition is that the Lord in Heaven records as members of His true Church all the saintly-whether Roman Catholics, Anglican Catholics, Greek Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, or Presbyterians, etc.-and none others. Have we not here the one Church, catholic, universal, the only Church which the Bible recognizes? In the past we have been too narrow and have sup posed that God was as narrow as ourselves. It was on this account that Presbyterians, Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists persecuted and were persecuted, each thinking itself the true Church. Are we not all getting broader conceptions of our God and of His Church? Do we not see that we were mistaken in calling the outward organization the Church of Christ instead of remembering that the Lord alone writes the names of the Church, that He alone reads the hearts, that He alone is the Judge, and that He alone has the right to blot out the names of reprobates? St. Paul wrote against sectarianism, already manifest in his day-some saying: "I am of Paul"; others, "I am of Peter"; etc. The Apostle asks, "Is Christ divided?" (1 Cor. 1:10-13) He explains that these sectarian names signified a spirit of division that failed to recognize the true Head of the Church, His true representatives and His true members. The entire foundation of divided Christianity would disappear and the true Church of Christ be speedily manifest, if true catholicity were acknowledged. -- The Bible Students Monthly, Volume 7 (1915), Number 9. :Endquote. -- I have more concerning this sermon at: rlctr.blogspot.com/2008/09/xf01-catholic-church.html No, the ransom for all and non-sectarian, no-earthly authoritainian organization teachings that Russell spent nearly his entire life preaching and defending are almost the opposite of what is taught by the Jehovah's Witnesses. The Bible Students continue to exist today as totally separate and distinct from the Jehovah's Witnesses. For links to some of my related research: rlctr.blogspot.com/p/jws.html
@@thinkingman2020 Despite the claims made by Rutherford, Russell was not a prophet; the only prophecies he believed in were those of the Bible. He repeated stated that his conclusions regarding those prophecies were not prophecies. rlctr.blogspot.com/p/prophet.html
Any JWs or exJWs from the DFW area 60s-90s? There was a really nice elder named Luther Stevens, Mr. Penton is close to his doppelganger. Old Steve...miss that guy.
Hello, The first president of the Watchtower Society, from 1879 to1884, was not Russel but William Henry Conley. Russell was, surprisingly at that time, the "secretary-treasurer" and "editor of the magazine". With love from france.
Hello, is anybody here ex JW's? May I ask you some questions, what made you really want to go out from the org.? How do you feel after you're not longer a member of the org? To whom you will listen to or will get your spiritual food? Will you go to church? Please comment below. Thank you. In my head was always questioning who is Jesus. Now I got the answer that Jesus is not Michael. That makes me feel that it is time to go out from the org. (The letter of resignation is done but not send yet but I will). But after that maybe I will be on my own alone because my brother is shunning me.
The idea that they both should remain celibate was the arrangement from the beginning. It was a not an idea that developed after their marriage. There was no indication that Mrs. Russell had any resentment about this, and Mrs. Russell never brought up any thought about this until she used it as a excuse to claim mental cruelty when she filed for divorce.
I think that the jdubs just flick through ‘Apostate videos’ and give them thumbs down; they don’t actually watch them. If they did then they risk Waking up!
Excellent. ...thank you sir for taking the time to share your experiences in your walk with God. It has been reported that followers of this movement in ireland were waiting on the roof of Powerscourt for the rapture .. .beautiful place I have been there often! I'm now a *partial* preterist ! Laboring in Sonship..Christ in you the HOPE of glory colossians 1 ..something 🤗 The WTS is a smorgasbord board of other end time groups that preceded them. ..a Johnny come lately and a religion based on externals ! .I'm an xJW / xRC
Its so weird because when i was a JW..everything that was "bad" felt like a forbidden temptation that i inevitably ended up doing in secret. Now that i no longer believe in the "truth" i have broken free from all my bad habits. Which i realize now i was only doing because i was on self destruct mode. I felt that if i wasn't going to paradise, then my life was worthless. I feel so much worth in myself now. I thank the Lord I decided to truly seek him. Its never to late. Im 25 now. Even though that is still young. The earlier you mentally remove yourself from this groups control the better. Get back the free will God gave you and put it to good use :)
Hi keep thinking and feeling good about yourself. Happy Life
I could listen to Mr Penton for hours very informative.
It's like listening to your granddad, he pops you on his knee and in the most loving way reveals the world for what it is in the most comforting way, not to scare you but to simply reveal truth.
You have to check out video called the great salvation 52mis channel is SOS out of dark Ness is about truth of saved you won't be disappointed it's about Angeles
The truth does not belong in organised religion like JWs Organisation !!!
Really? I've been listening for 20 minutes now and he has yet to say anything. Does he ever get to a point?
Thank you guys for coming together to help us see truths!
I am absolutely flabbergasted by this video, as a former JW I wasn't aware of this knowledge....it makes me sad very sad we seem to have got lost as humans....
Thank you so much! I am very happy to hear Professor and brother James Penton. Deep respect for him as a Christian, historian, writer and storyteller. Thank you Eric for your work and such an opportunity to listen to James on your channel too. We all want to continue the Watchtower’s real story.
Eric, this series is PRICELESS. I hope you are translating or converting them into hard copy transcripts in case the Internet goes down one of these days
James Penton is knows JW history more than anyone else ..
Highly intelligent, well-spoken gentleman. I can't believe he is 87?!? I'd give him 59 or 60 easily. Looking good without the stress of the JW's!
L 'Rynda T. It's called the "Blessing of Jehovah"! 👍😉
James is a very articulate man and explains things very clearly......
I’m a little late to this video, obviously, but it’s absolutely fascinating! Thank you so much for this information. I was 39 years deep in. Almost 4 years out, I can’t believe how much was hidden or outright lied about. I’ve learned more in these last few years…and boy oh boy!!!
Okay. Agreed.
40 for me, it’s so sad because I thought we were doing all of this for Jehovah. I gave up a career and a happy life for them I really deserved.
Thank you Mr. Penton and look forward to more insight on WT. God bless
apocalypse delayed is the 1st book i read, led me to crisis of conscience , his work confirmed all my suspicions . Thank you for your work, Dr Penton.
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I'm currently reading 'Crisis of Conscience' and it is a mind blowing book!
I was born in. I faded from this cult in 2013. I'm disappointed by the lies, incompetence and basically corrupt leadership of this disgusting cult!
I'm happy to be out, but sad about it sometimes.
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@@R.Oates7902 its very sad that we believed in this secret association.
Have you read Crisis of Allegiance?, if not you shld it's fantastic it's also about Dr. James Penton and how that cult did him the same as they did Rayman Franz
Hmm apogolypse delayed.okay. English major can't spell. But thank you. Find this fascinating. That book along with Crisis of Conscience r on my list. Thanks so much
@@khadijahdavis1572 Crisis of Allegiance? New to me. Number three. Love it......um xLDS just fascinated by the similarities.....no disrespect to your faith...we are all trying here. Thanks again. Very hrlpful
Greetings from South Africa - Great Information, thank you!!
Thank you so very much for all the info.
Thank you both for the information. I could honestly listen to you speak all day lol. I look forward to watching more of your video
Thank you Mr penton I hope you are involved in more of these discussions very very helpful
He is involved!! He's been an activist for a long time, one of my favs.
Thanks for your information, you help me to see that the Governing body are false.
THIS IS GOLD. Oh my goodness. Thank you, thank you!!!
@clearlynotalways6476 - You're so welcome!
I CANNOT believe that Penton is 87!
A strikingly handsome man in the service of the Lord. I remember avoiding his books when I looked things up online during my days as a witness. It a funny how I now as a Christian see things very differently.
And now I know that my former so called brothers view me as a toxic apostate. But it as sad as that is it is great to go through what the apostles went through. There is no other way about it. I marvel at how poorly I read the Bible despite reading the bible every day (and that is not something witnesses do. Unless you count “The daily Text” 😂)
Thank you Prof. Paton, you are volumes of history personified. Great lecture and you kept my attention up till the end. Thank you.
WOW!! This is a PRICELESS interview!!! Thank you!!
Talk about rich spiritual/historical food! Can't wait to devour this!!! Thank you Dr. Jim and thank you Eric! What a treat😍
I'm glad you're exposing them in various languages
This man is a gem!!!
I very much enjoyed reading his book Apocalypse Delayed, which shed insight into the development of the JW organization.
Great video!! 👍👍😀
Keep up the good work! 👍😀
God bless you Eric! ✝️
Please post more videos by Dr. Penton!!
Thank you!
We had an older elder that regularly questioned stuff in the literature [old timey] and wrote to the 'society' for explanation. He was always told to wait for the org to say 'in print' if his thoughts were sound or not and to refrain from running ahead of the org. He was happy to 'figure' that he may not live to see if his thoughts panned out or not [probably why he wasn't booted out - this was in the 70s].
So very interesting Mr. Penton. Thank you so much for sharing your extensive knowledge with us so that we may be richer in our learning of the bible. Very appreciative for your time and efforts.
Thsnks for getting out and welcome home..............all of you!
Excellent information, like always, thanks Eric and thanks Dr Penton
So interesting, insightful, and well informed.
YES! Very informative. I could listen to the both of you for days. Thank you
It was very useful. Thanks very much mr Penton. I really appreciate your incite as a Canadian raised a Jehovah’s witnesses in the 70s I value your thoughts very much. Your interview on Lloyd Evans channel was there as I was waking up. Your words were just what I needed quote Jehovah’s witnesses do not have the truth get over the shock of being disfellowshiped and get some joy in your life.
Thanks for this video
Great work.Awesome video..I would certainly keep it handy.It’s amazing what wishful thinking and all sorts of fallacies can do.Thanks Mr.Penton for your scholarly work.
Man I'm learning so so much.
Glad to hear it
Dr. Penton, it has been a true blessing to see you are alive and well and still kicking the Watchtower can down the block. Your work in this arena is much needed and hope you can keep up the good work. I hope you and Marilyn are in good health and enjoying your prime years. We have shared some great memories in past years, and look forward to hearing the continuation of your series with Beroean Pickets. May God bless you both richly! We miss you in Idyllwild!
Thanks , once again Prof. Penton for taking the time to inform us of the Actual Foundation of the Bible students / Jehovah's Witnesses Movement! 👍😉
The best lecture I ever heard! Thank U very much, Sir.
I found you through JT and Lady Cee. Much love and respect to you. A+++ Thumbs Up! Thanks for your education.
Very useful information. Thanks for doing this.
@Beroean Pickets Can you explain the 6000 years of creation?Do you have video on this? I am learning so much and you have helped me finally feel close to god.I was born into the JW and believe some of their teaching but never really had a good close feeling. I always had issue with the boring music and not being able to play sports as a kid. I missed out on so much and now that I look back I was depressed because of that religion.
It's a mind numbing cult.
@Maori Boy ...are you one ?
@@johntedder8457 remember the saying, stay alive til 75?
I'd not think the gb of that time was any different. In fact the further back you go into this organization the more often you find false end time predictions that never come to pass as well as legalistic rules about organ transplants and blood transfusions.
We also know now that Rutherford was the most important leader the society ever had. He was a drunk and womanizer and enjoyed luxury on the backs of the congregations.
Thank you Eric and James! Very , very interesting! Cant wait for your next video.
This is what I have been looking for!
You two are asome together keep talking you help us that has left!!!
"Every eye shall see him and those who pierced him and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him..Rev. 7:1.....
To know the truth and to follow it , seems a life long battle.
Wow this information is great and should be told more!!
Just wish the JWS would know this truth you talk about James ! What a great History lesson on there so called truth ? Jesus is the only truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi taught he was not married
Excellent video Professor Penton and Eric Wilson!
Thank you Brother Wilson and Brother Penton for this presentation. I had always dismissed criticism of the origen of Watchtower as being just another of Satan's schemes against true worship. But, after years of suffering mistreatment by Watchtower, I finally read both of Ray Franz' books. Your narrative of Watchtower's history serves to support those who are awakening from spiritual "narcolepsy". Again, thanks.
Vintage , Google : Pro. James Penton's book "Apocalypse Delayed". It belongs on the shelf . . Right next to Bro. Raymond Franz's 2 books in the "Must Read" section for exjw critical thinkers"! Read this Book Vintage (if you haven't already). Trust me , you won't regret it! ☺️👍👍
@@akatheheretic3014 Yes I read Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom and Apocalypse Delayed, in that order.
@@terryannrose4582 It was those 3 books that drove the Nails in the WTS's coffin for Me! I felt completely free at last after reading those! 🤗
@@akatheheretic3014, I will follow your advice.
@@vintage6346 You won't regret it !! 👌
This man is a natural treasure
Thank you - I thoroughly enjoyed listening to Mr. Penton. I get the same warm feeling listening to him as I did reading Raymond Franz books. So happy to have this preserved for future generations.
The bible gives us the rules to live by and how to apply them. So why does anyone think they can add to or take from? Why do so many think they need to follow a man made religion? Follow the commandments, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart soul and mind, this is all we need to know anything else causes confusion and lies of which Satan is the father of. The rules are simply too simple, we think we will be heard for much speaking and put ourselves on pedastools. These things are our downfall.
Thank-you, extremely interesting, James Penton has have filled in a lot of gaps for me - pre Russells day. I look forward to his next instalment.
Wow i was raised in that cult and never heard of Dr. Penton, i will be going to find his book toda, thank you so much
So fascinating! Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for your knowledge and insight into the origins of Watchtower. It takes away the mystique and shows they could never have become the only organisation doing God's will in 1919 when Christ supposedly did his inspection.
Really priceless... thanks 🙏🏿
How interesting. Thank you to you both. (ExJW 27yrs)
How can I find this group, the New Covenanters in Australia? I would like to read one of the books he speaks of.
Very interesting.
Watchtower and Governing Body makes me sick to my stomach. So many amazing wonderful people being mislead without true salvation.
I really enjoy the research you put into it, keep up the fantastic work!
Thank You to both of you James Penton and Eric Wilson. You are both very smart and have helped so much in the waking up of Jehovah witnesses and the ongoing Battle against this wicked organization. I am very thankful for both of you. You've helped me a lot and I hope to one day show my family whose still inside these videos. I find myself just watching your videos for hours on end until my battery runs out. 😁
Thank you extremely interesting.
So interesting!!!
Really interesting. A lot of James's archive information echoed my own studies over the years but as to the involvement of Maria's contribution in the 'Studies in the Scriptures' was new to me although that is something mentioned briefly in JW.ORG as a reason for their separation. JW.ORG is a great source for half truths!
As James said it was Maria who first initiated the suggestion that CTR was the 'Faithful and discreet slave' and that taken from a manipulation of the Matthew 24:45 text ... "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics to give them their food at the proper time?" [NWT]
This is and has been along with the following parable of the wise and foolish virgins for some 1,800 years accepted and it's meaning perfectly understood as being the relationship between the master of the household and his servant, but Russell by adding another layer of interpretation to this gives a different meaning by changing the slave to be Russell himself and the house owner to be the Christ (albeit invisibly).
The idea that these parables would be written but only understood at the end times is fanciful.
Mankind only has a limited life span in which to make their judgements for their souls and these parables would have been as relevant to someone living in the 8th or 14th century as well as now.
Osarian
Russell himself never claimed to a sole position of being the faithful and wise servant, although I am certain that he sought to be faithful and wise in his service to the Master. Russell did acknowledge that others applied this to him as being the solely this faithful and wise servant. Russell's last statement I could find concerning this was:
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Some of the dear brethren seem to find as much about Brother Russell in the Bible as they find about the Lord Jesus, and I think that is a great mistake. I do not find it there. Some of them say that I am blinded on that subject, that they all can see better than I can. Perhaps they can, I do not know, but I think, dear friends, that there is a danger in that direction, and I would like to put you all on guard. I think it is the Lord's will that we should recognize every agency God uses, but we are not to recognize any agency of God as being in any competition whatever with the Lord or with his divine arrangement. He is the fountain of blessing, he only is most to be praised. I think that is the right sentiment. I believe you all agree with that. And yet I think there is a danger of some dear friends preaching Brother Russell. Brother Russell would like for you not to do so. He thinks it would not be to the glory of God. Let me repeat, then, dear friends, that in my opinion we have so much of the Gospel of God, so much of his plan to study, so many opportunities of showing forth his praises, that we should employ all our time in that way. My advice, therefore, is that we give very little attention to anything outside of that. The Scriptures do indeed say that we may render honor to him to whom honor is due, and that is applicable to anybody and everybody; as, for instance, we look back and we see Martin Luther, and he did a grand work, and we thank God for him; and we might say the same of John Wesley, and very truthfully; I am glad in God's providence he lived, and that he was a faithful man. And there were others of the Lord's people in the past. Let us be glad and rejoice in every one, and be thankful to God he has used various agencies in helping us, and in helping others, and in bringing forward his great cause; but let us not go into anything that would be at all like man-worship, for I am sure that would be displeasing to the Lord and injurious to ourselves. I remind you again of the Scripture in Revelations where the Church is pictured, which we called attention to, I believe, thirty years ago. John, the revelator, who was seeing these things, fell down to worship the angel who showed them to him, and the angel said, "See thou do it not; worship God; I am thy fellow-servant." And so, dear friends, if our Heavenly Father and our Heavenly Lord have used Brother Russell in any measure he is very glad and very thankful to be used. And if the Lord is pleased to use him any more, he will be glad to be used down to the last breath, but he does not want any worship, he does not want any undue adoration, he does not want any praise. He is glad to have the love of all those who are brethren of the Lord and to be considered a fellow-servant with all, striving to bring to pass all the glorious things that God has promised, striving to tell the good tidings of great joy to as many as the Lord, our God, shall call. -- Emdquote.
-1910; ("Convention Report Sermons", pg. 125)
mostholyfaith.com/Beta/bible/CRS/1910a.asp#CR125:1
PAULO= ==BRAZIL=====Great video! I learned a lot from it,
Jesus will return when no one expects Him to return Like a thief ....
Matthew.24:36 But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
And keep reading.
That is for the closing probation time individually for everybody ..
The read history of Noah's time, Lot's time and parable of 10 virgins.
In those 3 events you will find 3 doors closing.
and then the coming of Jesus.
Richard Schiller Please expound some more Brother btw I thought Jehovah Himself closed the ark door ?
Richard Schiller ◄ Genesis 7:16
The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
Why dont you guys just deconvert? I grew up southern Baptist and I've now realized the belief system is just as silly as the JWs. May not be as toxic, but silly none the less. There isn't any truth to the bible. It was the most freeing thing for me when i figured it out. I partially have JWs to thank for this. After looking into how crazy their beliefs are, it caused me to question my own beliefs.
We may never know that a thief has been in our house until we wake up and discover something is missing. By then the thief is long gone!
Interesting!
Thank You from an X JW
Are you Canadian too, Eric?
Is your cat black? Yes to being Canadian.
wow, many thanks eric and james, henry Drummond was from my village here in England and his house still stands today, which of course held my attention right through your talk james, I might add, for a man of your years you have a very kind sparkle in your eye, which is very warming, thank you steve
Very informative, thank you for sharing this information!
James, I read that Mrs. Russell called her husband the "Laodicean Messenger," not sure the origin of that. Thank you so much for all of this!
That came from
Revelation.3:14-20.
Last church out of 7 churches.
The warm church.
Preach the hole world revelation 14:6-11 to revive the spirit in all flesh and then the 2nd coming.
By the way this old man is say the truth history of denominations.
That is also on his tombstone. I would not want to be associated with the Laodicean Church which is essentially the final apostate age of the church. Very appropriate for Chuck though
Candy Irish Maria Ackley Russell also was the one who first came up with the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" doctrine (by misinterpreting Mat. 24:45-47) and applying this term to her husband, beginning in 1895. I read this in Dr. Penton's book "Apocalypse Delayed: the story of Jehovah's Witnesses", where on pages 47 and 48 he presents research that traces the whole idea of a last days appointment of an FDS back to her.
Was Russell a 32 degree Mason?
@@jsokla7515 is this possible to know or its only speculated?
Wonderful video!
Ty James easy to understand ,and things I never knew I believe many back then were genuinely searching for the right path ,today they seem to be in turbo mode for control and money
Thanks Meleti and Mr.Penton. Hope you'll do more of these. God bless.
All this BS about faithful and wise servant ruined or tainted so many ppl lives. Thank u for this info brothers 💜❤️💙
Thank you Mr Penton for such valuable information.
As far as time prophecies are concerned. Rutherford actually rejected practically everything Rutherford and Barbour presented. He evidently wanted to use the time prophecies to bolster his "Jehovah's visible organization' dogma, and thus came up with totally new applications for those time prophecies. The only one the JWs today use in any way similar to Russell is that of the seven times of Daniel 4.
@@aquillaaquilla4038 Didn't see this until today. My devotion is to my Lord Jesus and his God. I am grateful for God's use of Brother Russell to bring forth many truths from the Bible, but I don't know what is being referred to by "that's gotta hurt". What is it that gotta hurt? The fact that the JWs have rejected almost all that Russell presented related to chronology and time prophecies? This doesn't certainly doesn't hurt me.I do not tenaciously hold to all of Brother Russell's conclusions. Some of the Bible Students do similarly
to the Jehovah's Witnesses in that they present a different chronology -- some reject 607/6 as being the date of Jerusalem's destruction. Some simply reject all that Russell wrote about time prophecies and chronology. Nevertheless, I still love them and hold them in high esteem. Nevertheless, there are those who would turn study of Bible chronology and study of time prophecies into dogma. Russell did not do this, nor do I.
rlbibleresources.blogspot.com/2016/12/chronology.html
Can I ask whether Mr Penton accepts Jesus words at Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 which talks about end times as well as the destruction of Jerusalem? The book of Revelation carries the same theme although I am aware that there were textual variants. I was a witness until 28 years ago.
He does. As an historian, he recognizes that those are prophesy that were fulfilled in the first century upon the rebellious nation of Israel.
As a PIMO, my jaw hit the floor 🫠
Great Video, you two, Thank You❣ You can always find Some truth amongst a Group of perpetuated LIES...
It all started 200 years ago when John Aquila Brown wrote "The Even Tide" in 1823.
The rest is history.
Rose Ball apparently appeared much younger than she was, as some described as being about 12 when she came to live with the Russells. As far as I know, while she was alive, no one ever questioned her about the validity of Mrs. Russell's claims; apparently she and her husband were not on speaking terms with either of the Russells after about 1909. A large portion of Mrs. Russell's hear-say testimony was stricken from the records, as they were considered out of the time element involved. For links to some more of my own research:
rlctr.blogspot.com/p/marital_3.html
This really expanded upon my understanding of the origins of Russel and the IBSA. Thank you Prof. Penton! I am looking forward to this series. God bless.
Russell was not a JW. Two different belief systems
@@Sirach144 Russel died in 1916 as an International Bible Students Association president. Then Rutherford managed to be voted in as president over the IBSA. It was during July 1931 Rutherford changed the name to jehovahs witnesses. How is it there are two different belief systems?
@@thinkingman2020 While it appears that many Bible Students failed to make the distinction, Russell was actually the president of the legal entity in London that was designated "International Bible Students Association." At the same time, Russell referred to the association of Bible Students world wide as "International Bible Students Association." Russell was not "the president" of the worldwide association, but he was the president of the legal entity in England. Russell, at least for a while, endeavored to get local ecclesias to refer to themselves as "Associated Bible Students" instead of "International Bible Students", but this recommendation evidently failed to be applied by most local ecclesias. The term, "International Bible Students" remained. I have more related to this on one of my websites:
rlctr.blogspot.com/2016/10/ibsa.html
Russell was definitely, however, never a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Rutherford created the Jehovah's Witnesses organization by rejecting the core teachings of Russell and the Bible Students, especially as related to the atonement and authority. Rutherford, however, at first sought to bring the Bible Students into subjection to his claimed authority; when the vast majority of the Bible Students around the world rejected his "Jehovah's visible organization" dogma, Rutherford named his organization "Jehovah's Witnesses" in order to distinguish his organization from the Bible Students.
The Bible Students Association, however, was never intended to be a "religion." Russell did speak of the true church, which he described as follows:
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(1913) The one true Church, dear friends, is the church of the Bible. There never has been but that one true Church. All others are false, and if I built up another church I would be building up another false one. That is not our proposition at all. The I.B.S.A. holds out the proposition which the Bible stands for, namely, that all people who are trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ, and consecrated to follow in his steps, are of the church of the living God whose names are written in heaven. The I.B.S.A. recognizes no other church. It does not say that only those in the I.B.S.A. constitute the church. It recognizes that all true Christians in the various churches should be awake, and we are trying to awaken them to the truth. The I.B.S.A. recognizes that these true Christian people are in danger of falling into infidelity, unless they get the true light of God's Word, and so is trying to bring all Christian people to study the Bible, and thus into complete union as the church of Christ. -- What Pastor Russell Said, page 348. :Endquote.
mostholyfaith.com/Beta/bible/QB/qb.asp?xRef=Q348:3#Q348:3
In his book, Thy Kingdom Come, Russell wrote:
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No earthly organization can grant a passport to heavenly glory. The most bigoted sectarian (aside from the Romanist) will not claim, even, that membership in his sect will secure heavenly glory. All are forced to admit that the true Church is the one whose record is kept in heaven, and not on earth. They deceive the people by claiming that it is needful to come to Christ through them – needful to become members of some sectarian body in order to become members of "the body of Christ," the true Church. On the contrary, the Lord, while he has not refused any who came to him through sectarianism, and has turned no true seeker away empty, tells us that we need no such hindrances, but could much better have come to him direct. He cries, "Come unto me"; "take my yoke upon you, and learn of me"; "my yoke is easy and my burden is light, and ye shall find rest to your souls." Would that we had given heed to his voice sooner. We would have avoided many of the heavy burdens of sectism, many of its bogs of despair, many of its doubting castles, its vanity fairs, its lions of worldly-mindedness, etc.
Surely all know that whenever they join any of these human organizations, accepting its Confession of Faith as theirs, they bind themselves to believe neither more nor less than that creed expresses on the subject. If, in spite of the bondage thus voluntarily yielded to, they should think for themselves, and receive light from other sources, in advance of the light enjoyed by the sect they have joined, they must either prove untrue to the sect and to their covenant with it, to believe nothing contrary to its Confession, or else they must honestly cast aside and repudiate the Confession which they have outgrown, and come out of such a sect. To do this requires grace and costs some effort, disrupting, as it often does, pleasant associations, and exposing the honest truth-seeker to the silly charges of being a "traitor" to his sect, a "turncoat," one "not established," etc. When one joins a sect, his mind is supposed to be given up entirely to that sect, and henceforth not his own. The sect undertakes to decide for him what is truth and what is error; and he, to be a true, staunch, faithful member, must accept the decisions of his sect, future as well as past, on all religious matters, ignoring his own individual thought, and avoiding personal investigation, lest he grow in knowledge, and be lost as a member of such sect. This slavery of conscience to a sect and creed is often stated in so many words, when such a one declares that he "belongs" to such a sect.
These shackles of sectarianism, so far from being rightly esteemed as shackles and bonds, are esteemed and worn as ornaments, as badges of respect and marks of character. So far has the delusion gone, that many of God's children would be ashamed to be known to be without some such chains -- light or heavy in weight, long or short in the personal liberty granted. They are ashamed to say that they are not in bondage to any sect or creed, but "belong" to Christ only. :Endquote.
-- Thy Kingdom Come, pages 185-187.
And also Russell stated:
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I am aware that several churches claim to be Catholic, each declaring itself the true Church and reprobating the others as heretical. I take the still broader catholic ground-that the word catholic means general; and that any limitation such as Roman Catholic, Greek Catholic, etc., to that extent denies their catholicity.
Perhaps, therefore, I am really saying that I am more catholic than any of these brethren.
I must prove my point or be misunderstood. I hold, and few, if any, will dispute it, that the one catholic or general Church of Christ is that mentioned in the Bible -- the Church of the Firstborns, written in Heaven. If this be admitted, my next proposition is that the Lord in Heaven records as members of His true Church all the saintly-whether Roman Catholics, Anglican Catholics, Greek Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, or Presbyterians, etc.-and none others.
Have we not here the one Church, catholic, universal, the only Church which the Bible recognizes? In the past we have been too narrow and have sup posed that God was as narrow as ourselves. It was on this account that Presbyterians, Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists persecuted and were persecuted, each thinking itself the true Church. Are we not all getting broader conceptions of our God and of His Church? Do we not see that we were mistaken in calling the outward organization the Church of Christ instead of remembering that the Lord alone writes the names of the Church, that He alone reads the hearts, that He alone is the Judge, and that He alone has the right to blot out the names of reprobates?
St. Paul wrote against sectarianism, already manifest in his day-some saying: "I am of Paul"; others, "I am of Peter"; etc. The Apostle asks, "Is Christ divided?" (1 Cor. 1:10-13) He explains that these sectarian names signified a spirit of division that failed to recognize the true Head of the Church, His true representatives and His true members. The entire foundation of divided Christianity would disappear and the true Church of Christ be speedily manifest, if true catholicity were acknowledged. -- The Bible Students Monthly, Volume 7 (1915), Number 9. :Endquote.
-- I have more concerning this sermon at:
rlctr.blogspot.com/2008/09/xf01-catholic-church.html
No, the ransom for all and non-sectarian, no-earthly authoritainian organization teachings that Russell spent nearly his entire life preaching and defending are almost the opposite of what is taught by the Jehovah's Witnesses. The Bible Students continue to exist today as totally separate and distinct from the Jehovah's Witnesses.
For links to some of my related research:
rlctr.blogspot.com/p/jws.html
@@ronaldday4780 thanks. Either way both are false prophets and ultimately we know what Deuteronomy states about these men.
@@thinkingman2020 Despite the claims made by Rutherford, Russell was not a prophet; the only prophecies he believed in were those of the Bible. He repeated stated that his conclusions regarding those prophecies were not prophecies.
rlctr.blogspot.com/p/prophet.html
Any JWs or exJWs from the DFW area 60s-90s? There was a really nice elder named Luther Stevens, Mr. Penton is close to his doppelganger. Old Steve...miss that guy.
Hello, The first president of the Watchtower Society, from 1879 to1884, was not Russel but William Henry Conley. Russell was, surprisingly at that time, the "secretary-treasurer" and "editor of the magazine".
With love from france.
Thank you for that clarification.
Hello, is anybody here ex JW's? May I ask you some questions, what made you really want to go out from the org.? How do you feel after you're not longer a member of the org? To whom you will listen to or will get your spiritual food? Will you go to church? Please comment below. Thank you.
In my head was always questioning who is Jesus. Now I got the answer that Jesus is not Michael. That makes me feel that it is time to go out from the org. (The letter of resignation is done but not send yet but I will). But after that maybe I will be on my own alone because my brother is shunning me.
Hello, what questions do you have?
Greetings from Cuba
The idea that they both should remain celibate was the arrangement from the beginning. It was a not an idea that developed after their marriage. There was no indication that Mrs. Russell had any resentment about this, and Mrs. Russell never brought up any thought about this until she used it as a excuse to claim mental cruelty when she filed for divorce.
@@aquillaaquilla4038 I don't believe Russell ever "pounced" on Rose or any "poor maid." See my research in the link provided earlier.
@alison webster Age has nothing to do with it. Did you check the link provided?
Just found your channel!! I subbed
Can I ask for the document where Russell claimed to be the "faithful and wise servant"? Thanks.
Very informative.
...OK OK,who's the 10 dim wits that put thumbs down!
Lol. Yes, Latonya. Right now, I see 538 "likes" versus 10 "dislikes". The dissenting opinion narrows to a filament. :)
@@vintage6346 🤣🤣🤣
I think that the jdubs just flick through ‘Apostate videos’ and give them thumbs down; they don’t actually watch them. If they did then they risk Waking up!
@@richardzx9 So true!😂😂😂
Gold dust for those interested in the foundations & history of the Watchtower.
The truth about “the truth”. This must certainly sting any JW witness and most JWs will likely bury their head deeper in the sand. 😆
They actually don’t wanna hear truth if it’s not theirs
The Professor..was a Danger
He would have Spoke The Truth
And Woke Up others.
Good job
Excellent. ...thank you sir for taking the time to share your experiences in your walk with God.
It has been reported that followers of this movement in ireland were waiting on the roof of Powerscourt for the rapture ..
.beautiful place I have been there often!
I'm now a *partial* preterist !
Laboring in Sonship..Christ in you the HOPE of glory colossians 1 ..something 🤗
The WTS is a smorgasbord board of other end time groups that preceded them. ..a Johnny come lately and a religion based on externals !
.I'm an xJW / xRC