That series is simply amazing, @RowanJColeman. You've truly brought me dozens of hours of delight (and all together tens of thousands of hours for all of us). Thanks!
I remember going to see Wrath of Khan with my sister's Youth Group when I was like 8 and being freaked out by the ear worms. I also recall the McDonald's Happy Meal tie in for The Motion Picture, yet saw all but that one Trek film in theaters.
Yep, feeling old rn I remember my mom telling me about how some people were sneaking in to see Generations cuz they were mad about Kirk dying but still wanted to see the movie
I just wanted to say, not just for this video, but with every video you post, you present everything very well. I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for taking the time to produce them for us.
Kirk taking control of the Enterprise D and going down with it would have been an amazing send off! God I wish they would have done that, it was fine as is I guess but at the time I remember it feeling lackluster.
I think one of the biggest problems with Kirk's sacrifice in _Generations_ is that it's all for a faceless race that we know nothing about. On a character level, I get it, that Kirk is willing to give it all up for a people he doesn't even know and hasn't met, but on a narrative level it just falls flat. I always thought he should have gone out sacrificing himself for the Klingons. The pieces are already there: Soran has sold a weapon to the Duras sisters, who have wanted to seize power ever since they lost the Klingon Civil War. Picard and Kirk both have intimate connections with the Klingons: Picard as Arbiter of Succession for Gowron and his friendship with Worf, while Kirk had to fight a lifetime of conditioning and prejudice of seeing them as enemies to now becoming allies. Kirk sacrificing his life for the Klingon Empire would have been such a thematically appropriate way for him to go out.
That's okay. Kirk never leaves the Nexus. After he turns Picard down, Picard imagines convincing Kirk to help him. Everything after that is Nexus fantasy. Everyone is dead. the next 3 movies are fantasies. PICARD the series never happened. Or we can accept what happens on screen that Picard could go anywhere in space time and goes back 5 minutes before he gets his arse kicked and a sun explodes. His family who just died days ago? Forget saving them. (Remember he knows where Dr Soran will be in the recent past, on that space station.)
What is most unforgivable on the part of Stuart Baird is his treatment of LeVar Burton, who is iconic on so many levels that not caring enough to learn his name is ridiculous.
One small thing you forgot to mention about First Contact and why it looks so much better than previous Star Trek films. Because it was the first Star Trek movie to utilize digital film technology.
Another problem with Insurrection is the fundamental issue that the Baku WERE NOT INDIGINEOUS to the planet! They also immigrated there, so the main conceit of the plot doesn't really work... And it seemed like the Baku were only occupying a TINY area of the planet, so what was stopping them from turning other areas into some sort of 'Space Spa', that anyone could visit to 'recharge' their vitality occasionally. Sort of a Health Spa version of Risa!
Plus this flies in the face of the episode where picard chastised Wesley for feeling how he feels in insurrection, without going anywhere near as far as picard does in the movie.
The Baku not being indigenous is irrelevant. Insurrection takes place in 2375. Sojef stated they left their planet and possibly settled their new planet 309 years prior to 2375, which would be 2066, almost a century prior to the Founding of the Federation. So they either established their new home in 2066 or had a century to discover the planet before Federation Space was created. Even then it's dubious to say Federation Space was so expansive as to include the Briar Patch. And just because a planet is within Federation Space, the Federation doesn't have an automatic right to the planet per the Prime Directive. The Baku had a proprietary claim via homesteading as clearly no one else was using the planet. Indeed the Baku were only using a tiny slice of the planet. Picard recommended additional settlements, but Admiral Dougherty rejected the idea, stating, "It would take 10 years of normal exposure to begin to reverse their condition. Some of them don't have that long. Besides, they don't want to live in the middle of the prior patch. Who would?" Star Trek: Insurrection is a brilliant film for tackling private property rights and the willingness of so many to sacrifice first principles during war time.
@@Ma55ey "Journey's End" and Star Trek: Insurrection do not contract one another. In the first instance the Prime Directive does not apply and in the second instance it does. The Indians settled Dorvan V knowing it was a disputed world. Starfleet was granted jurisdiction over the Indians as Federation Citizens and charged with their protection. Ultimately, the Indians seceded from the Federation and Picard noted the Prime Directive would forbade the Federation from assisting them in the future. In contrast, the Baku were never Federation citizens. They left their home world and possibly settled in the Briar Patch a century before the Federation was founded. They had the proprietary claim to the planet as it wasn't being used by anyone else up until the preceding events of Insurrection. The Prime Directive forbade interference on two counts, the first being that of proprietorship and the second being the flood feud between the Son'a and the Baku, which wasn't revealed until Picard's involvement. Picard rightly defended the Baku in restitution for the Federation's encroachment.
@@chrisperlaky8715 still, if the Indians of Dorvan v had thought to send a young lady for Picard to have a fling with, things might have turned out differently for them 🤣
The temporary effect that Star Trek: Nemesis had on Tom Hardy’s career and self confidence was devastating. Thank God he recovered and has gone on to achieve the success that he has.
FADE IN: is a MUST read for anyone interested in Star Trek, or just movie making in general. It's incredible to learn just how many different people he needed to approve his script. From producer notes, to keeping the entire cast happy with their roles, it's understandable that the movie ended up feeling like a bit of a compromise. It's hilarious that they were worried about including the 'Fountain Of Youth' concept for fear that Patrick Stewart would worry that it made him seem 'old'. GREAT READ though, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
I nearly burst out laughing in the cinema when i saw Rise of Skywalker, realizing Star Wars had ripped off the original ending of Insurrection where the armada of ramshackle ships shows up to save the day.
I attended my first and so far ONLY Star Trek convention, actually on a whim, mainly because being a fan of all the shows--so far, and William Shatner was going to be there in Charlotte, NC, and I had my huge and heavy RCA camcorder that I brought into the place and got some great scenes, It was all to tie-in Star Trek: Generations, and I actually won a script in a raffle. Shatner was delightful, funny, humble and he told us many fans he was going to give us an inside story, he starts, "Captain Kirk and Captain Picard meet......and then....something terrible happens"! Typical Shatner! I enjoyed your retrospect on all the movies, and agree, mostly with you, thanks again for doing your homework on this show and the movies!
You know what Generations doesn't quite say out loud? Kirk at the beginning is kind of miserable about where his life is, basically stuck in a desk job and doing PR stunts while younger men have the adventures he once lived. The Nexus shows him a quiet, self-indulgent retirement that he ultimately isn't satisfied with either. Because James T Kirk is a man who'd rather die suddenly on some random planet fighting some random villain and saving innocent people than let even a second of his life be boring or quiet, and he refuses to let his age get in the way of it.
Right! I always just assume these TH-camrs are my age when they're doing these retrospectives of properties I watched growing up! I was THERE for the Best of Both Worlds CLIFFHANGER!
@@StreetPreacherr yup, I remember it like it was yesterday. I was living in Fort Knox Kentucky and it was killing me to wait lol. That music haunts me in my dreams, the du du dun DU DUN DUN DU lmao, you know what I'm talking about 😅. Followed by, eventually lol, "Previously on Star Trek The Next Generation"
First Contact is my favorite Star Trek movie by far. It was the last one I saw in theatre, and I still watch it every year or so. Generations is probably my second favorite. I could barely keep my eyes open for Insurrection. And while I've watched Nemesis more than a few times, you could feel the series franchise starting to die in it.
I encourage you to re-watch Insurrection when you are older. I don't think most young people can appreciate the wisdom in the quiet parts. It's my favorite of the TNG movies.
The whole battle and crash of the Enterprise D is absolutely fantastic. It holds up so well and looks utterly real as it reaches the planet. The whole thing has a great sense of tension too. I like generations, it has flaws but it blew my mind as a child. So many good scenes and quotes
And it has a great villain in Soran. The best villains are the ones you sympathize with and can understand their motivations. Add The Duras Sisters and it makes Generations the best of the 4 TNG films, IMO.
The abandoned Generations uniforms were used for filming at least one scene before being well, abandoned and the scene reshot/cut. I think removing the original Insurrection climax where Ru'afo is de-aged to a baby was a mistake. The idea of the villain getting what he wanted but too much of it seemed fitting, a cliche maybe, but better than PICARD BLEW HIM UP.
I watched Generations when it released and at the time, it was only passable. Felt like it could have been an embellished 2 or even 3 parts TV episodes. It didn't feel movie grand. 30 yrs later, it's held up far better than expected.
Villain with a Europe-y accent has a plot that will wipe out either all of earth or some nobodies. The two sole stars, Data and Picard, must work to foil this plan. Worf has has a memorable introductory scene and then promptly fades into the scenery. Data has a side-plot about some aspect of his androidhood that contributes almost nothing to the main story. A painful personal issue emerges to confront Picard. The rest of the crew allies with forgettable extras to defeat a secondary threat and herd civilians to safety. There is a 50% chance a child drops something important during the evacuation to make the scene more tense. A primary Starfleet character predictably meets their end in the third act and the Enterprise is heavily damaged almost beyond repair. Both occur for no reason but to have something dire happen. Picard, the renowned diplomat, defeats the villain in hand to hand combat on a scaffolded set. The crew stand in the aftermath of the conflict while Picard makes a comforting speech. The End (repeat 4 times) You're welcome. Signed, Rick Berman
Generations is 30 years old and I think visually it looks absolutely stunning. I can understand the director's dislike for working in pre-established canons, that can make things very hard. Also more easy as not everything needs to be established. It's a double edged sword and goes both ways.
I have to say generations is my favourite tng movie.. the others are just trying to recreate the wrath of kahn each time, first contact did it very well, but the mistake was trying to recreate that every time.. i wish theyd done a movie about the conspiracy bugs.. i cant for the life of me understand why they didnt do that.. i thought thats where we were going with Picard season 3 until they revealed the changlings and then the bait and switch with the zombie borg..
My view on Nemesis: the whole problem can be summed up with the word PACING. This is the only Star Trek movie that this fan needed two viewings to get through.
Oddly enough, I enjoyed Nemesis more than I did Insurrection. Indeed, it got me hooked on the metaphysics of clones that has stuck with me to this day.
@@thexsoar I can get that. Honestly, the Studios need to learn to let the artists make the art. Art by committee is virtually never good when it's bureaucraticaly top heavy.
It's weird considering Stuart Baird is one of the better editors out there, cutting a lot of classic movies. He didn't actualy edit the film though, it surprised me to learn. Even though I have a soft spot for Nemesis, it really does drag. I love the soundtrack and it has the best space battle out of the Next Gen films, but it is wildly uneven in terms of not just pacing but tone.
@@MrSnaztastic I just got done rewatching it... Yeah, your assessment is spot on. There are parts I really liked, and it seemed like they were constantly changing the overall tone. Compare the fight on the Scimitar to the fight AGAINST it. 'Really fascinating but open the door' compared to a dude being ejected to vacuum. I saw some truly darkly entertaining things during the shittier parts of my deployment to Iraq, but the humour fit. Data's character, whilst in keeping with his history, seemed... out of sync with his established character growth. It was nice to see Picard's "One Day" wish to come true with the Romulan Warbird commander (Loved her on Babylon 5, by the way), but you're right. The change in tone never felt natural during this last rewatch.
I remember reading the Nemesis script back in the day, before the movie came out. I also remember wiping away a tear at the end. At the end of the actual movie I could not stop bawling... unfortunately for a completely different reason! 😞Man, I hate that movie so much. Rewatched in ONCE on DVD when it came out and never went back. Even after this. I really don't want to.
It is very interesting that First Contact, the second movie of the TNG movies was the best of the four. An interesting comparison that The Wrath of Khan was also the second entry. It's a very curious similarity and a wonderful reality too. Fits somehow.
I was always okay with it. Goes to show that even legendary people dont always get a legendary death. But can also get killed like any of the background officers/enlisted.
First Contact was definitely the best of the four. It was also the first Trek film to genuinely and tastefully merge elements from all four (at the time) series. Cochrane is a character from TOS, it's a TNG film, the Defiant is from DS9, and the EMH is from Voyager.
@@KevinJDildonik every man has his breaking point, First Contact pushed him over the edge. The last line of defense between the Borg and the Federation even existing, cut off in another time with his own ship being assimilated deck by deck. But this is still Picard, and in the same scene he resolves to do the right thing. It's still one of my favourite moments, calling back to where he just completely broke down in Family, where his brother sagely noted "this is going to be with you for a long time, Jean-Luc."
As a kid I always thought it would've been more cool if the reason Picard failed the first time was from the Duras sisters successfully destroying the enterprise completely and him losing the will to fight Sorren, followed by him getting Kirk to go to the ship instead and have a final stand/sacrifice against Klingons one more time and Picard being triumphant against Sorren. 8 y/o me was a genius.
I'm a fan of Nemesis, I love it and think it is one of the best, except the stupid scene we won't mention. The Music is awesome, and my favorite line is "Full reverse". I think the Semitar (hope spelling is correct) is the best Villian ship in all of Star Trek.
Thanks for the video, even though i often disagree with your opinion, which is fine. But the way they portrayed Kirk's death is an outright insult. The TNG movies needed way better scripts & stories! My deep dislike for the TNG movies is more in line with RedLetterMedia's opinion, which is thoroughly explained in their respective videos.
Does anyone else think that the Mirror Universe might have been a good setting for the ninth film? If you wanted to create a film that was more fun and, but still had some interesting ideas, what better than a campy alternative universe?
Insurrection: It's not bad........But it's not good. It kinda just exists. Nemesis: I can totally believe he was unfamiliar with Star Trek, look at some of the writers and directors working on Disney Star Wars
It’s funny that they really wanted to put Jerry Ryan in Nemesis even though her interacting with the TNG crew made little sense but then two decades later she is showing up in Picard and they are acting like they are old friends. I don’t hate her showing up there and it makes sense that they’d probably have met and either became friends over shared experiences but the show didn’t really spell that out.
Those 1990s practical mixed with computer effects look better than 95% of what is coming out today. I love the abilities that CGI can give the film maker, but overuse somehow makes things look cheesy.
With the third season of Picard, I have had a question answered that I believe no one has ever thought of. Why was the Orberth tagging along with the rescue party at the end of Generations? I think that was answered when we saw Kirk in Statsis. I could be wrong.
Troi's was assaulted by Shinzon so she could have a psychic connection to him while the Scimitar was cloaked. If she hadn't suffered, the Enterprise wouldn't have been able to find him.
My thoughts. Generations: Not a bad movie. It was held back by certain needs of the script, the Data side story was unnecessary, the Nexus didn't work for me, and the death of Kirk was not as epic as it needed to be. First Contact: Great movie. Personally, my only issue was the introduction of the Borg Queen Insurrection: Shouldn't have been made. Although I'm not a fan of the DS9 storyline, it was already in production, and this should have had a related storyline. Perhaps the Enterprise trying to protect a primitive society from a Cadassian incursion. Nemesis: Great idea to have the Romulans as the enemy, but everything else was way OTT. My idea for Nemesis was that it should be like a Hunt For Red October in space. A new Romulan warship has been stolen and heading for the Federation. Unsure of its intentions, Picard is ordered to destroy it if they come across it. However, Picard isn't convinced the Romulan captain wants to attack
@@peanut1001xKirk had better wits in tight situations whereas Picard was more methodical, but I assume you mean Picard didn't shoot enough people. There's a reason "We come in peace, shoot to kill" is forever synonymous with the original series. Wouldn't call Kirk a warrior either, since everyone in the franchise thinks of him as a cowboy.
@@KingSidJames the crash scene was incredible though.. it was a bit of a let down seeing her destroyed by a bird of prey though... but I must bebthe only one who didn't enjoy seeing her brought back to do a deathstar trench run.. 🤣
I rarely, if ever, watch The Next Generation films. I may be in the minority, but Generations is my favorite one of them simply because Kirk is in it and Dr. Soran is a great villain. Great because you can understand why he's doing what he's doing. The idea of getting to go back and redo something that alters the future for the best, even if it costs Kirk his life, is very Star Trek. I also really like the origins of warp drive with the Zephram Cochran story in First Contact. But the entire thing is just to much action mixed with horror elements. It never felt like a "Star Trek" movie. More like a ride at Universal. And, once you've been on the haunted house ride, the scare is gone and it just becomes a drudge to get thru on multiple viewings. The rest are just bad... Nemisis being the only Star Trek film I did not see in the theater and have only seen it twice since its release on DVD. It's a horrendous story and a depressingly bad film... unwatchable... as is Insurrection. But I do rewatch the TOS films regularly... even 5. I just rewatched TMP again last week and love it as much as I did seeing for the first time in the theater as a kid. Again, I may be in the minority, but TMP is still my favorite of the 6 TOS films. It has a feeling about it that none of the others have.
I know it's not a movie so doesn't belong in this video, but I feel it's strange he doesn't reference Picard Season 3 as finally giving the crew the send off they deserved.
Pillar's idea for insurrection being a team up between Romulans and the Federation reminds me of this terrible Shatner ghostwritten novel published just after Generations, that had Romulans and Borg teaming up to steal Kirks' corpse and make him a Locutus#2. And like, guys anyone doing this just doesn't understand Trek. Romulans don't team up with anyone they're suspicious insular paranoid nuts. The only time this sort of thing worked was when the Romulans were manipulating the house of Duras in TNG. In that case the Romulans weren't equal partners teaming up, they were arms suppliers sneakily destabilizing the klingon empire, like Romulans would do.
Inertial Dampeners are more for the impulse drive, because the ship doesn't actually move while in warp, but rather the space around the ship is moving. The ship is static within the warp bubble, which is also why there is no time dilation.
Does anyone know where I can find behind the scenes info, e.g. the TNG bible? I've heard the Internet Archive has closed down, & that was where I previously saw such info. I really want to do some more research on this so I can get some inspiration for worldbuilding on my concept for a speculative post-scarcity society. (free essentials, food, housing, no taxes, etc. but luxuries still have to be earned; IDK if this is communism or resource based economy) I am applying to either a job in the creative process in filmmaking or game development.
There's some good books out there, like "Trekonomics" and some others that look at Federation society. Rowan is also in the process of putting out videos on how "Star Trek's Future works"...look for them on his channel. (Personally, I'd steer clear of any reviews of Federation society that uses the knee-jerk label of "space communism", or anything like that. It shows both a lack of understanding of historical political science AND a fundamental misunderstanding of what a "post-scarcity" socio-economic structure *could* be as a future-state political movement.
I agree that Generations just has a feel to it that's hard to put into words. Like, the themes and the character arcs are just what Trek is all about. It's a shame that the plot is such an absolute mess - and the Data stuff is so jarring.
Yeah, the movie feels like someone put an onion, a pickle, a slice of cheese, two slices of bread, and a chunk of raw beef in front of you, and said "there's your cheeseburger".
Nemesis, won’t even go there, I pretend a rift in the time continuum accidentally spit this one out a black hole. It is aptly named, ‘cause, well, it’s TNG’s … Nemesis. So there’s that. I guess. Insurrection, felt like a 2 part TNG episode moved to a different aspect ratio. Adore the idea, not great for a film. Generations, good start, like the crossover but yea, more Kirk please if you’re gonna have him. I don’t think it was needed but I can see why someone would think it was, sort of. First Contact, boom, that’s TNG, the one I return to.
59:00 - it was a severely Okay movie, the problem I have is Corporate didn't just realize they had clearly peaked and should stop. They needed to just let Trek lay low for a couple years or decades to regenerate culturally. Instead, they just kept fucking the deadhorse.
for nemesis they really should have chosen someone who loved trek instead of hating it & pushed back its release as it was competing against lord of the rings & harry potter - if it hadn't been for those things it may have gone a lot better
The reason why I hate Generations is destruction of Enterprise. In 7 seasons of tv series that ship went through hell and then it gets destroyed in the most moronic way possible. And that idiot Riker is standing there is trying to find some "clever" way to destroy BoP. He had chance to fire like 20 torpedo straight to that crappy old BoP, but no... let's "engineer" some clever torpedo tracking... bla bla bla... I would strip him of rank and send to run some old waste disposal transport ship.
You wanna know what disappome the most with this movie; aside from the cringe Data subplot? When Picard is in the Nexus and his wife reaches out her hand to him. He takes it and there's this slow dramatic pan up and we're all expecting Beverly, only to find its some lady we aint never seen before. Like, who the hell are you?? What was the point of the slow pan? Then to find out they NEVER work out in the end?? That was Rian Johnson levels of subversion. 😫
I found Generations to be a depressing movie and the music reenforced it. There are too many things I hate about it to list. Insurrection was just bland suffering from writing by committee. The less said about Nemesis the better. First Contact I like but still have problems with some parts. The
Something that always nagged at me with Generations was did Kirk and Picard really leave the Nexus to go back in time or did the Nexus just make them think they did as it gives you your desires? I like Generations just it always made me wonder if everything that happened with Picard after that was him just living that life in the Nexus. Probably over thinking it or missed a line explaining it
The fact that Guinan was serving aboard the Enterprise D hints at their ability to actually leave. Although I would've preferred Nemesis involve Q and hint the Nexus was a backdoor to the Q Continuum.
First Contact had all the right ingredients and combined it well, unfortunately for me Generations might have had some of the Original and the TNG cast with the melting pot of ideas it turned out a pretty poor mix, I will have to check out that autobiography if Insurrections had the Romulans as the villians I am guessing that I would have enjoyed it more, but Nemesis I feel would have been better with Frakes directing and of course not killing Data off had the potential to have been the equivalent of TOS The Undiscovered Country but unfortunately that didn't happen
1:44 This is _easy_ . An outside force compells them to fight in order to save everything they hold dear. Hell; maybe it could be a battle to save their federation in their respective time. Something that means everything to their identity and the future they both fight for. And yet one side could be destroying their past, while the other potentially destroying their future, all to save their present. Christ, that was obvious and easy. Good heavens. You have one team: a group of old pros who have been through hell and high water together, a group that has seen it all and forged ties that are tighter than family, fighting for everything against a technologically superior foe... a foe that _will replace them. Flying _*_their_*_ flag._ In the other corner: a young, brash crew who has just learned to work together, who have seen some crap and are just starting to find their feet. Fighting the very legends who not only defeated undfeatable odds but were the very reason many of them wear the uniform of Starfleet. You telling me you couldn't make a film from _that?_
Berman and Braga - they should have given the whole Generations project to Nicholas Meyer. Meyer would have respected Kirk enough to have his death mean something instead of saving some unknown prewarp civilization that we, the audience, had no investment in. Tasha Yar's death wasn't the only meaningless death in The Next Generation. Berman and Braga hated the TOS characters and Kirk's death showed that hatred for him and TOS fans. But, they were nothing compared to the Destroyers Abrams and Kurtzman.
At the time of Generations Brannon Braga was only a co-producer and was super-ceded by many others, notably the co-executive producers Jeri Taylor and Michael Piller. Even Ronald D. Moore, the co-writer of Generations, was above Braga, who didn't become a co-executive producer until Voyager's fourth season. Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga have talked extensively about how their hands were tied with Studio mandates concerning Generations. In additional drafts they tried balancing those mandates with creative input from Jeri Taylor, Michael Piller, and Ira Steven Behr. They admit they couldn't balance everything and that Generations suffered from too many cooks in the kitchen. Brannon Braga stated he watched all of TOS to familiarize himself with the universe only to be told by Roddenberry to forget TOS. Berman wanted to forego hand held communicators in ENT while Braga fought for the communicators and their associated sound effect. Berman however did a wonderful job preserving Roddenberry's legacy. Abrams and Kurtzman are what Berman was hoping to avoid.
@chrisperlaky8715 Okay, I lived through the whole decline of Trek from deeply thought-provoking science fiction action adventure stories to TNG's later seasons and their temporal/spatial anomaly of the week nonsense. Nicolas Meyer would have made awesome TNG movies. I've been told Berman and Braga were really nice people and I shouldn't view them the way I do and I am sure they are, but my issues when aren't ones of character or talent, just the direction they chose to take a TV show. Rodenberry spent three years building up the characters of TOS and then it seemed like he spent the rest of his life trying to deconstruct them, Kirk in particular. I suspect this stemmed from his relationship with Shatner and having to spend the rest of his life living in the shadow of TOS when he wanted to grow beyond it. He was trapped by TOS. Over my life, I have gone to watching TOS on NBC on a 19" black and white Western Auto CRT TV to having to put vice grips on a UHF antenna to watch Encounter at Farpoint from the week third rate UHF station that had the syndication rights for TNG. I've read the books about how TOS was developed and made and had the blueprints and tech manuals. None of this makes me an expert, but I was there, I know which of the series and movies I can watch again and again.
@@geographicaloddity2 'He was trapped by TOS' I feel like either the fans or the fan perception that paramount has are also trapped by TOS, From Startrek ENT to the JJ movies to the new shows were all TOS trappings (yes we more later shows) but now look at SNW/STD and all the 'spock/insert character connections' Or the new enterprise being a 'Constitution class'
Generations is nowhere near the best and nowhere near the worst. And that's fine. When you've got what is now 13 movies, you're gonna have some just decent movies.
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That series is simply amazing, @RowanJColeman. You've truly brought me dozens of hours of delight (and all together tens of thousands of hours for all of us). Thanks!
I wished Soran had killed Kirk in a cowardly way! Kirk can only be defeated in a cowardly way
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"came out the year before i was born" cut deep when i remember waiting in line to watch this opening night hahaha
I remember going to see Wrath of Khan with my sister's Youth Group when I was like 8 and being freaked out by the ear worms. I also recall the McDonald's Happy Meal tie in for The Motion Picture, yet saw all but that one Trek film in theaters.
You and me both.
Yep, feeling old rn
I remember my mom telling me about how some people were sneaking in to see Generations cuz they were mad about Kirk dying but still wanted to see the movie
I took my grandkids to see this movie
So we're all in the same boat? lol
I just wanted to say, not just for this video, but with every video you post, you present everything very well. I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for taking the time to produce them for us.
Ditto, I really enjoyed his B5 video.
Kirk taking control of the Enterprise D and going down with it would have been an amazing send off! God I wish they would have done that, it was fine as is I guess but at the time I remember it feeling lackluster.
I think one of the biggest problems with Kirk's sacrifice in _Generations_ is that it's all for a faceless race that we know nothing about. On a character level, I get it, that Kirk is willing to give it all up for a people he doesn't even know and hasn't met, but on a narrative level it just falls flat. I always thought he should have gone out sacrificing himself for the Klingons. The pieces are already there: Soran has sold a weapon to the Duras sisters, who have wanted to seize power ever since they lost the Klingon Civil War. Picard and Kirk both have intimate connections with the Klingons: Picard as Arbiter of Succession for Gowron and his friendship with Worf, while Kirk had to fight a lifetime of conditioning and prejudice of seeing them as enemies to now becoming allies.
Kirk sacrificing his life for the Klingon Empire would have been such a thematically appropriate way for him to go out.
Well shit. You're absolutely right. Would've elevated his death so, so much.
... Damn, that's solid. I mean, I like the way Generations ended, but... man alive, that would have been fantastic
That's okay. Kirk never leaves the Nexus. After he turns Picard down, Picard imagines convincing Kirk to help him. Everything after that is Nexus fantasy. Everyone is dead. the next 3 movies are fantasies. PICARD the series never happened.
Or we can accept what happens on screen that Picard could go anywhere in space time and goes back 5 minutes before he gets his arse kicked and a sun explodes. His family who just died days ago? Forget saving them. (Remember he knows where Dr Soran will be in the recent past, on that space station.)
The Nexus abides. 😂
@@thehermitman822 It really brings the universe together.
15:17 Rowan: "This movie came out the year before I was born."
Jesus, I saw it in theatres as a grown-ass adult. Way to make me feel old, bro.
Hearing that you were born in 1995 makes me feel very, very old.
THANK GOD STAR TREK PICARD SEASON 3 gave a real send off.... god its soo good
What is most unforgivable on the part of Stuart Baird is his treatment of LeVar Burton, who is iconic on so many levels that not caring enough to learn his name is ridiculous.
One small thing you forgot to mention about First Contact and why it looks so much better than previous Star Trek films. Because it was the first Star Trek movie to utilize digital film technology.
Another problem with Insurrection is the fundamental issue that the Baku WERE NOT INDIGINEOUS to the planet! They also immigrated there, so the main conceit of the plot doesn't really work... And it seemed like the Baku were only occupying a TINY area of the planet, so what was stopping them from turning other areas into some sort of 'Space Spa', that anyone could visit to 'recharge' their vitality occasionally. Sort of a Health Spa version of Risa!
Plus this flies in the face of the episode where picard chastised Wesley for feeling how he feels in insurrection, without going anywhere near as far as picard does in the movie.
The Baku not being indigenous is irrelevant. Insurrection takes place in 2375. Sojef stated they left their planet and possibly settled their new planet 309 years prior to 2375, which would be 2066, almost a century prior to the Founding of the Federation. So they either established their new home in 2066 or had a century to discover the planet before Federation Space was created. Even then it's dubious to say Federation Space was so expansive as to include the Briar Patch. And just because a planet is within Federation Space, the Federation doesn't have an automatic right to the planet per the Prime Directive. The Baku had a proprietary claim via homesteading as clearly no one else was using the planet.
Indeed the Baku were only using a tiny slice of the planet. Picard recommended additional settlements, but Admiral Dougherty rejected the idea, stating, "It would take 10 years of normal exposure to begin to reverse their condition. Some of them don't have that long. Besides, they don't want to live in the middle of the prior patch. Who would?"
Star Trek: Insurrection is a brilliant film for tackling private property rights and the willingness of so many to sacrifice first principles during war time.
@@Ma55ey "Journey's End" and Star Trek: Insurrection do not contract one another. In the first instance the Prime Directive does not apply and in the second instance it does. The Indians settled Dorvan V knowing it was a disputed world. Starfleet was granted jurisdiction over the Indians as Federation Citizens and charged with their protection. Ultimately, the Indians seceded from the Federation and Picard noted the Prime Directive would forbade the Federation from assisting them in the future.
In contrast, the Baku were never Federation citizens. They left their home world and possibly settled in the Briar Patch a century before the Federation was founded. They had the proprietary claim to the planet as it wasn't being used by anyone else up until the preceding events of Insurrection. The Prime Directive forbade interference on two counts, the first being that of proprietorship and the second being the flood feud between the Son'a and the Baku, which wasn't revealed until Picard's involvement. Picard rightly defended the Baku in restitution for the Federation's encroachment.
Yes, but they were settlers.
@@chrisperlaky8715 still, if the Indians of Dorvan v had thought to send a young lady for Picard to have a fling with, things might have turned out differently for them 🤣
I get the hate for Insurrection, but how does anyone not weep at LeVar Burton's performance, watching his first sunrise ??
The temporary effect that Star Trek: Nemesis had on Tom Hardy’s career and self confidence was devastating. Thank God he recovered and has gone on to achieve the success that he has.
he took it for the $ should've known it was absolute rubbish
FADE IN: is a MUST read for anyone interested in Star Trek, or just movie making in general. It's incredible to learn just how many different people he needed to approve his script. From producer notes, to keeping the entire cast happy with their roles, it's understandable that the movie ended up feeling like a bit of a compromise.
It's hilarious that they were worried about including the 'Fountain Of Youth' concept for fear that Patrick Stewart would worry that it made him seem 'old'.
GREAT READ though, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
The "Making of the Trouble with Tribbles" by David Gerrold should be required reading for any screen writer
I nearly burst out laughing in the cinema when i saw Rise of Skywalker, realizing Star Wars had ripped off the original ending of Insurrection where the armada of ramshackle ships shows up to save the day.
The year before you were born?! My God, I am old. I was in college.
I agree Generations is awesome, the effects, the beautiful score, the lighting, so so underrated
feel sorry for you
@@peanut1001x thank you
With the telepathic attack on Deanna Troi, it set up the way the Enterprise could attack the Scimitar when cloaked. I agree it was dark though
I attended my first and so far ONLY Star Trek convention, actually on a whim, mainly because being a fan of all the shows--so far, and William Shatner was going to be there in Charlotte, NC, and I had my huge and heavy RCA camcorder that I brought into the place and got some great scenes, It was all to tie-in Star Trek: Generations, and I actually won a script in a raffle. Shatner was delightful, funny, humble and he told us many fans he was going to give us an inside story, he starts, "Captain Kirk and Captain Picard meet......and then....something terrible happens"! Typical Shatner! I enjoyed your retrospect on all the movies, and agree, mostly with you, thanks again for doing your homework on this show and the movies!
You know what Generations doesn't quite say out loud?
Kirk at the beginning is kind of miserable about where his life is, basically stuck in a desk job and doing PR stunts while younger men have the adventures he once lived.
The Nexus shows him a quiet, self-indulgent retirement that he ultimately isn't satisfied with either.
Because James T Kirk is a man who'd rather die suddenly on some random planet fighting some random villain and saving innocent people than let even a second of his life be boring or quiet, and he refuses to let his age get in the way of it.
That's the aspect of Generations I love and felt was appropriately captured in regards to Kirk's character.
Hear, hear. Kirk choosing to go back with Picard and alter a future that he would have, otherwise, had no part in, IS what makes him the legend he is.
i love this channel so much!!
"This movie came out the year before I was born"... damn man... making me feel like 👦🧔🧑🦳👴 lol
It's not the age. It's the mileage. 😊
Right! I always just assume these TH-camrs are my age when they're doing these retrospectives of properties I watched growing up! I was THERE for the Best of Both Worlds CLIFFHANGER!
@StreetPreacherr
That was a very looooooong summer waiting for part 2.😕
@@StreetPreacherr yup, I remember it like it was yesterday. I was living in Fort Knox Kentucky and it was killing me to wait lol. That music haunts me in my dreams, the du du dun DU DUN DUN DU lmao, you know what I'm talking about 😅. Followed by, eventually lol, "Previously on Star Trek The Next Generation"
I'm 36; I've been to war, and have a teenage kid. Trust me, as someone here already said, "it ain't the years, it's the millage."
First Contact is my favorite Star Trek movie by far. It was the last one I saw in theatre, and I still watch it every year or so. Generations is probably my second favorite. I could barely keep my eyes open for Insurrection. And while I've watched Nemesis more than a few times, you could feel the series franchise starting to die in it.
I encourage you to re-watch Insurrection when you are older. I don't think most young people can appreciate the wisdom in the quiet parts. It's my favorite of the TNG movies.
"It does't have to take centuries to learn..."
I watched it when I got older. IMO, it still sucked 🤷♂️
The whole battle and crash of the Enterprise D is absolutely fantastic. It holds up so well and looks utterly real as it reaches the planet. The whole thing has a great sense of tension too. I like generations, it has flaws but it blew my mind as a child. So many good scenes and quotes
And it has a great villain in Soran. The best villains are the ones you sympathize with and can understand their motivations. Add The Duras Sisters and it makes Generations the best of the 4 TNG films, IMO.
The abandoned Generations uniforms were used for filming at least one scene before being well, abandoned and the scene reshot/cut.
I think removing the original Insurrection climax where Ru'afo is de-aged to a baby was a mistake. The idea of the villain getting what he wanted but too much of it seemed fitting, a cliche maybe, but better than PICARD BLEW HIM UP.
They need to re-release that movie with that scene. Such a great climax.
Generations, middle of the pack
First contact, among the best
Insurrection, middle of the pack
Nemesis, dead last
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I watched Generations when it released and at the time, it was only passable. Felt like it could have been an embellished 2 or even 3 parts TV episodes. It didn't feel movie grand. 30 yrs later, it's held up far better than expected.
yay. I've been longing for something new and cozy to watch. thanks.
Villain with a Europe-y accent has a plot that will wipe out either all of earth or some nobodies. The two sole stars, Data and Picard, must work to foil this plan.
Worf has has a memorable introductory scene and then promptly fades into the scenery.
Data has a side-plot about some aspect of his androidhood that contributes almost nothing to the main story.
A painful personal issue emerges to confront Picard.
The rest of the crew allies with forgettable extras to defeat a secondary threat and herd civilians to safety. There is a 50% chance a child drops something important during the evacuation to make the scene more tense.
A primary Starfleet character predictably meets their end in the third act and the Enterprise is heavily damaged almost beyond repair. Both occur for no reason but to have something dire happen.
Picard, the renowned diplomat, defeats the villain in hand to hand combat on a scaffolded set.
The crew stand in the aftermath of the conflict while Picard makes a comforting speech.
The End
(repeat 4 times)
You're welcome.
Signed, Rick Berman
Generations is 30 years old and I think visually it looks absolutely stunning.
I can understand the director's dislike for working in pre-established canons, that can make things very hard. Also more easy as not everything needs to be established. It's a double edged sword and goes both ways.
Another fantastic upload 👏
I have to say generations is my favourite tng movie.. the others are just trying to recreate the wrath of kahn each time, first contact did it very well, but the mistake was trying to recreate that every time.. i wish theyd done a movie about the conspiracy bugs.. i cant for the life of me understand why they didnt do that.. i thought thats where we were going with Picard season 3 until they revealed the changlings and then the bait and switch with the zombie borg..
100%
My view on Nemesis: the whole problem can be summed up with the word PACING. This is the only Star Trek movie that this fan needed two viewings to get through.
Oddly enough, I enjoyed Nemesis more than I did Insurrection. Indeed, it got me hooked on the metaphysics of clones that has stuck with me to this day.
@@Deridus I'm glad you liked it. I loved the acting, but the pacing that ties all the scenes together was hard to sit through.
@@thexsoar I can get that. Honestly, the Studios need to learn to let the artists make the art. Art by committee is virtually never good when it's bureaucraticaly top heavy.
It's weird considering Stuart Baird is one of the better editors out there, cutting a lot of classic movies. He didn't actualy edit the film though, it surprised me to learn. Even though I have a soft spot for Nemesis, it really does drag. I love the soundtrack and it has the best space battle out of the Next Gen films, but it is wildly uneven in terms of not just pacing but tone.
@@MrSnaztastic I just got done rewatching it... Yeah, your assessment is spot on. There are parts I really liked, and it seemed like they were constantly changing the overall tone. Compare the fight on the Scimitar to the fight AGAINST it. 'Really fascinating but open the door' compared to a dude being ejected to vacuum. I saw some truly darkly entertaining things during the shittier parts of my deployment to Iraq, but the humour fit. Data's character, whilst in keeping with his history, seemed... out of sync with his established character growth. It was nice to see Picard's "One Day" wish to come true with the Romulan Warbird commander (Loved her on Babylon 5, by the way), but you're right. The change in tone never felt natural during this last rewatch.
I remember reading the Nemesis script back in the day, before the movie came out. I also remember wiping away a tear at the end. At the end of the actual movie I could not stop bawling... unfortunately for a completely different reason! 😞Man, I hate that movie so much. Rewatched in ONCE on DVD when it came out and never went back. Even after this. I really don't want to.
I'm trying to figure how somehow who directed mediocrity like Executive Decision and US Marshalls was a director they wanted.
I wish I never saw Nemesis. That is how much I hate that movie.
@@scockery Hey now, Executive Decision is the second best airborne hijacking movie of 1996!
@@scockery And who obviously wasn't even a fan of Trek. Frakes should've directed.
You forget that Diana uses the fact that he’s been in her head to then get back in his head and actually single-handedly saves everything
Diana?!?
Ffs!
It is very interesting that First Contact, the second movie of the TNG movies was the best of the four. An interesting comparison that The Wrath of Khan was also the second entry. It's a very curious similarity and a wonderful reality too. Fits somehow.
PUT THAT 13 MIN BACK IN ON NEMESIS its really good
Imagine how good Generations would have been without the penny pinching.
Except for Kirk dying ON A BRIDGE, that character deserved a little more respect.
I was always okay with it. Goes to show that even legendary people dont always get a legendary death. But can also get killed like any of the background officers/enlisted.
First Contact was definitely the best of the four. It was also the first Trek film to genuinely and tastefully merge elements from all four (at the time) series. Cochrane is a character from TOS, it's a TNG film, the Defiant is from DS9, and the EMH is from Voyager.
If Picard screaming and slamming a gun into the Stargazer model is your idea of good trek. Also Generations exists if we want nostalgia bait.
@@KevinJDildonik every man has his breaking point, First Contact pushed him over the edge. The last line of defense between the Borg and the Federation even existing, cut off in another time with his own ship being assimilated deck by deck. But this is still Picard, and in the same scene he resolves to do the right thing. It's still one of my favourite moments, calling back to where he just completely broke down in Family, where his brother sagely noted "this is going to be with you for a long time, Jean-Luc."
We didn't realize how good we had it back then. It was a good time to be a Trekkie.
As a kid I always thought it would've been more cool if the reason Picard failed the first time was from the Duras sisters successfully destroying the enterprise completely and him losing the will to fight Sorren, followed by him getting Kirk to go to the ship instead and have a final stand/sacrifice against Klingons one more time and Picard being triumphant against Sorren.
8 y/o me was a genius.
Shatner is totally underrated as an actor. Hes fantastic in Generations
studio said he dies or nothing. did it purely for $ knowing was absolute rubbish
I'm a fan of Nemesis, I love it and think it is one of the best, except the stupid scene we won't mention. The Music is awesome, and my favorite line is "Full reverse". I think the Semitar (hope spelling is correct) is the best Villian ship in all of Star Trek.
Thanks for the video, even though i often disagree with your opinion, which is fine.
But the way they portrayed Kirk's death is an outright insult. The TNG movies needed way better scripts & stories!
My deep dislike for the TNG movies is more in line with RedLetterMedia's opinion, which is thoroughly explained in their respective videos.
Good job, Rowan!
P.S. I too loved Generations. :)
P.P.S. Great that you keep discussing the scores! A very important, but oftentimes overlooked aspect of film making.
Does anyone else think that the Mirror Universe might have been a good setting for the ninth film? If you wanted to create a film that was more fun and, but still had some interesting ideas, what better than a campy alternative universe?
please don't.... I hate mirror universe nonsense and I think I am not a minority.
Insurrection: It's not bad........But it's not good. It kinda just exists.
Nemesis: I can totally believe he was unfamiliar with Star Trek, look at some of the writers and directors working on Disney Star Wars
Picard's family died in a fire. That one always gives me a chuckle.
thank god he has no successors
great video
It’s funny that they really wanted to put Jerry Ryan in Nemesis even though her interacting with the TNG crew made little sense but then two decades later she is showing up in Picard and they are acting like they are old friends. I don’t hate her showing up there and it makes sense that they’d probably have met and either became friends over shared experiences but the show didn’t really spell that out.
Those 1990s practical mixed with computer effects look better than 95% of what is coming out today. I love the abilities that CGI can give the film maker, but overuse somehow makes things look cheesy.
I'll be here! LFG!
Generations was a great film
says absolutely noone ever
@@peanut1001x Wrong
@@k2sworld yes it was
With the third season of Picard, I have had a question answered that I believe no one has ever thought of. Why was the Orberth tagging along with the rescue party at the end of Generations? I think that was answered when we saw Kirk in Statsis. I could be wrong.
Troi's was assaulted by Shinzon so she could have a psychic connection to him while the Scimitar was cloaked. If she hadn't suffered, the Enterprise wouldn't have been able to find him.
My thoughts.
Generations: Not a bad movie. It was held back by certain needs of the script, the Data side story was unnecessary, the Nexus didn't work for me, and the death of Kirk was not as epic as it needed to be.
First Contact: Great movie. Personally, my only issue was the introduction of the Borg Queen
Insurrection: Shouldn't have been made. Although I'm not a fan of the DS9 storyline, it was already in production, and this should have had a related storyline. Perhaps the Enterprise trying to protect a primitive society from a Cadassian incursion.
Nemesis: Great idea to have the Romulans as the enemy, but everything else was way OTT.
My idea for Nemesis was that it should be like a Hunt For Red October in space. A new Romulan warship has been stolen and heading for the Federation. Unsure of its intentions, Picard is ordered to destroy it if they come across it. However, Picard isn't convinced the Romulan captain wants to attack
Stellar cartography looks like ceribro from xmen.
I’m here for it.
1:52 Pitting Kirk-the great warrior-and Picard-the great diplomat-against each other was never going to be a good look
Pitard isn't a great diplomat he's a pathetic cowardly loser. Kirk had more diplomacy in his little finger.
@@peanut1001xKirk had better wits in tight situations whereas Picard was more methodical, but I assume you mean Picard didn't shoot enough people. There's a reason "We come in peace, shoot to kill" is forever synonymous with the original series. Wouldn't call Kirk a warrior either, since everyone in the franchise thinks of him as a cowboy.
@AshenDruid you suit Pitard drink yr tea & slippers
@AshenDruid everyone meaning you speaking for yourself alone
@@AshenDruid Don't waste your time. Every single one of their comments in this entire thread is nothing but childish insults.
Denis McCarthy's score was just brilliant, on par with James Horner!!
They did the D dirty and I've never forgiven that.
Thank goodness for Picard Season 3!
@@cecleung Indeed.
Ignoring the comment about her size, she was finally given the send off she deserved.
She went down like a champ and thanks to that we got the beautiful E
@edsr164 Aye, she was a beauty and worthy of her name.
@@KingSidJames the crash scene was incredible though.. it was a bit of a let down seeing her destroyed by a bird of prey though... but I must bebthe only one who didn't enjoy seeing her brought back to do a deathstar trench run.. 🤣
I rarely, if ever, watch The Next Generation films. I may be in the minority, but Generations is my favorite one of them simply because Kirk is in it and Dr. Soran is a great villain. Great because you can understand why he's doing what he's doing. The idea of getting to go back and redo something that alters the future for the best, even if it costs Kirk his life, is very Star Trek. I also really like the origins of warp drive with the Zephram Cochran story in First Contact. But the entire thing is just to much action mixed with horror elements. It never felt like a "Star Trek" movie. More like a ride at Universal. And, once you've been on the haunted house ride, the scare is gone and it just becomes a drudge to get thru on multiple viewings. The rest are just bad... Nemisis being the only Star Trek film I did not see in the theater and have only seen it twice since its release on DVD. It's a horrendous story and a depressingly bad film... unwatchable... as is Insurrection. But I do rewatch the TOS films regularly... even 5. I just rewatched TMP again last week and love it as much as I did seeing for the first time in the theater as a kid. Again, I may be in the minority, but TMP is still my favorite of the 6 TOS films. It has a feeling about it that none of the others have.
Those insidious villains the Sony with their troublesome copy protection 😂
I know it's not a movie so doesn't belong in this video, but I feel it's strange he doesn't reference Picard Season 3 as finally giving the crew the send off they deserved.
Thanks!
Thank you!
No mention of the onset tensions between Shatner and Doohan? Walter Koenig had to play peacemaker just to get them to take a picture together
the Bord came back after Best of Both Worlds.... Decent
What is a Bord?
Pillar's idea for insurrection being a team up between Romulans and the Federation reminds me of this terrible Shatner ghostwritten novel published just after Generations, that had Romulans and Borg teaming up to steal Kirks' corpse and make him a Locutus#2. And like, guys anyone doing this just doesn't understand Trek. Romulans don't team up with anyone they're suspicious insular paranoid nuts. The only time this sort of thing worked was when the Romulans were manipulating the house of Duras in TNG. In that case the Romulans weren't equal partners teaming up, they were arms suppliers sneakily destabilizing the klingon empire, like Romulans would do.
For the first warp flight to be survivable, other technologies such as inertial dampeners would have to have been invented.
Inertial Dampeners are more for the impulse drive, because the ship doesn't actually move while in warp, but rather the space around the ship is moving. The ship is static within the warp bubble, which is also why there is no time dilation.
Warp field is space-time distortion. There is no force involved.
It'll turn 30 years old on the 18th, this year...
Meyer and Bennett may have been non-Trek when coming on board but they obviously respected the lore (pun accidental)
Does anyone know where I can find behind the scenes info, e.g. the TNG bible? I've heard the Internet Archive has closed down, & that was where I previously saw such info. I really want to do some more research on this so I can get some inspiration for worldbuilding on my concept for a speculative post-scarcity society. (free essentials, food, housing, no taxes, etc. but luxuries still have to be earned; IDK if this is communism or resource based economy) I am applying to either a job in the creative process in filmmaking or game development.
There's some good books out there, like "Trekonomics" and some others that look at Federation society.
Rowan is also in the process of putting out videos on how "Star Trek's Future works"...look for them on his channel.
(Personally, I'd steer clear of any reviews of Federation society that uses the knee-jerk label of "space communism", or anything like that. It shows both a lack of understanding of historical political science AND a fundamental misunderstanding of what a "post-scarcity" socio-economic structure *could* be as a future-state political movement.
Internet Archive got hacked not too long ago (who the hell does that) so was offline for quite a while. It seems to be mostly back up now.
I agree that Generations just has a feel to it that's hard to put into words. Like, the themes and the character arcs are just what Trek is all about. It's a shame that the plot is such an absolute mess - and the Data stuff is so jarring.
Yeah, the movie feels like someone put an onion, a pickle, a slice of cheese, two slices of bread, and a chunk of raw beef in front of you, and said "there's your cheeseburger".
Nemesis, won’t even go there, I pretend a rift in the time continuum accidentally spit this one out a black hole. It is aptly named, ‘cause, well, it’s TNG’s … Nemesis. So there’s that. I guess.
Insurrection, felt like a 2 part TNG episode moved to a different aspect ratio. Adore the idea, not great for a film.
Generations, good start, like the crossover but yea, more Kirk please if you’re gonna have him. I don’t think it was needed but I can see why someone would think it was, sort of.
First Contact, boom, that’s TNG, the one I return to.
First Contact is the only TNG film that even comes close to being good.
59:00 - it was a severely Okay movie, the problem I have is Corporate didn't just realize they had clearly peaked and should stop. They needed to just let Trek lay low for a couple years or decades to regenerate culturally. Instead, they just kept fucking the deadhorse.
Someone please address the uniform/costuming chaos in Generations.
Honestly calling LeVar Burton "Laverne" sounds like it's purposeful disrespect
for nemesis they really should have chosen someone who loved trek instead of hating it & pushed back its release as it was competing against lord of the rings & harry potter - if it hadn't been for those things it may have gone a lot better
The reason why I hate Generations is destruction of Enterprise.
In 7 seasons of tv series that ship went through hell and then it gets destroyed in the most moronic way possible.
And that idiot Riker is standing there is trying to find some "clever" way to destroy BoP. He had chance to fire like 20 torpedo straight to that crappy old BoP, but no... let's "engineer" some clever torpedo tracking... bla bla bla...
I would strip him of rank and send to run some old waste disposal transport ship.
Riker & Pitard are absolutely pathetic but Janeway is another level of ludicrous
Generations mostly sucks but I feel like it captures the vastness of space the best.
worst movie ever
Pls consider narrating some ST comics or novella ala Alien Theory please?
You wanna know what disappome the most with this movie; aside from the cringe Data subplot? When Picard is in the Nexus and his wife reaches out her hand to him. He takes it and there's this slow dramatic pan up and we're all expecting Beverly, only to find its some lady we aint never seen before. Like, who the hell are you?? What was the point of the slow pan? Then to find out they NEVER work out in the end?? That was Rian Johnson levels of subversion. 😫
First Contact for me, unfortunately, is the only good TNG movie
I found Generations to be a depressing movie and the music reenforced it. There are too many things I hate about it to list. Insurrection was just bland suffering from writing by committee. The less said about Nemesis the better. First Contact I like but still have problems with some parts. The
Something that always nagged at me with Generations was did Kirk and Picard really leave the Nexus to go back in time or did the Nexus just make them think they did as it gives you your desires? I like Generations just it always made me wonder if everything that happened with Picard after that was him just living that life in the Nexus. Probably over thinking it or missed a line explaining it
The fact that Guinan was serving aboard the Enterprise D hints at their ability to actually leave. Although I would've preferred Nemesis involve Q and hint the Nexus was a backdoor to the Q Continuum.
First Contact had all the right ingredients and combined it well, unfortunately for me Generations might have had some of the Original and the TNG cast with the melting pot of ideas it turned out a pretty poor mix, I will have to check out that autobiography if Insurrections had the Romulans as the villians I am guessing that I would have enjoyed it more, but Nemesis I feel would have been better with Frakes directing and of course not killing Data off had the potential to have been the equivalent of TOS The Undiscovered Country but unfortunately that didn't happen
5:56 wonferdul, just wonferdul
@16:52 That was to make the movie PG instead of G.
Y A Y !!!!!!
Gosh I hated Generations! Funny enough I loved Insurrections
1:44 This is _easy_ . An outside force compells them to fight in order to save everything they hold dear.
Hell; maybe it could be a battle to save their federation in their respective time. Something that means everything to their identity and the future they both fight for. And yet one side could be destroying their past, while the other potentially destroying their future, all to save their present.
Christ, that was obvious and easy. Good heavens.
You have one team: a group of old pros who have been through hell and high water together, a group that has seen it all and forged ties that are tighter than family, fighting for everything against a technologically superior foe... a foe that _will replace them. Flying _*_their_*_ flag._
In the other corner: a young, brash crew who has just learned to work together, who have seen some crap and are just starting to find their feet. Fighting the very legends who not only defeated undfeatable odds but were the very reason many of them wear the uniform of Starfleet.
You telling me you couldn't make a film from _that?_
The problem is that this storyline was already done in Yesterday‘s Enterprise.
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Everything after Generations is really forgettable
Berman and Braga - they should have given the whole Generations project to Nicholas Meyer. Meyer would have respected Kirk enough to have his death mean something instead of saving some unknown prewarp civilization that we, the audience, had no investment in. Tasha Yar's death wasn't the only meaningless death in The Next Generation.
Berman and Braga hated the TOS characters and Kirk's death showed that hatred for him and TOS fans.
But, they were nothing compared to the Destroyers Abrams and Kurtzman.
At the time of Generations Brannon Braga was only a co-producer and was super-ceded by many others, notably the co-executive producers Jeri Taylor and Michael Piller. Even Ronald D. Moore, the co-writer of Generations, was above Braga, who didn't become a co-executive producer until Voyager's fourth season.
Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga have talked extensively about how their hands were tied with Studio mandates concerning Generations. In additional drafts they tried balancing those mandates with creative input from Jeri Taylor, Michael Piller, and Ira Steven Behr. They admit they couldn't balance everything and that Generations suffered from too many cooks in the kitchen.
Brannon Braga stated he watched all of TOS to familiarize himself with the universe only to be told by Roddenberry to forget TOS. Berman wanted to forego hand held communicators in ENT while Braga fought for the communicators and their associated sound effect. Berman however did a wonderful job preserving Roddenberry's legacy. Abrams and Kurtzman are what Berman was hoping to avoid.
@chrisperlaky8715 Okay, I lived through the whole decline of Trek from deeply thought-provoking science fiction action adventure stories to TNG's later seasons and their temporal/spatial anomaly of the week nonsense.
Nicolas Meyer would have made awesome TNG movies.
I've been told Berman and Braga were really nice people and I shouldn't view them the way I do and I am sure they are, but my issues when aren't ones of character or talent, just the direction they chose to take a TV show.
Rodenberry spent three years building up the characters of TOS and then it seemed like he spent the rest of his life trying to deconstruct them, Kirk in particular. I suspect this stemmed from his relationship with Shatner and having to spend the rest of his life living in the shadow of TOS when he wanted to grow beyond it. He was trapped by TOS.
Over my life, I have gone to watching TOS on NBC on a 19" black and white Western Auto CRT TV to having to put vice grips on a UHF antenna to watch Encounter at Farpoint from the week third rate UHF station that had the syndication rights for TNG.
I've read the books about how TOS was developed and made and had the blueprints and tech manuals. None of this makes me an expert, but I was there, I know which of the series and movies I can watch again and again.
@@geographicaloddity2 'He was trapped by TOS' I feel like either the fans or the fan perception that paramount has are also trapped by TOS, From Startrek ENT to the JJ movies to the new shows were all TOS trappings (yes we more later shows) but now look at SNW/STD and all the 'spock/insert character connections' Or the new enterprise being a 'Constitution class'
The fact that Berman screwed over Wil Wheaton repeatedly, leading to the snub in the last movie still sucks.
Wheaton is absolutely pathetic
Baird lead the charge for outsider directing then - I don't see how this can be a pros and cons situation, it's just a red flag.
Wait insurrection is your least favorite TNG movie? How? Nemesis exists.
Nemesis felt like a weak but servicable TNG episode; Insurrection just felt... weak.
Nemesis is the worst ST movie. Period.
I've always wanted to be a wunferdul character too. Do they originate from Germany?
Generations is nowhere near the best and nowhere near the worst. And that's fine. When you've got what is now 13 movies, you're gonna have some just decent movies.