Regarding the STMP score, not only did it bring us the theme for Next Generation almost a decade later, it also gave us the iconic Klingon theme used in almost every single Trek movie and show whenever Klingons were around. The plucking strings, the weird animal-like calls and the horn theme along with the weird percussion choices is just...chef's kiss.
I saw TMP 4k in a large theater. Wow wow and wow. The production value, updated sound, effects, editing makes it feel like a whole new movie. The slow scene with Kirk approaching the Enterprise was all encapsulating. That felt like a real Hollywood epic.
Excellent compilation, watched the whole thing! Having been a "lifelong"(translation: Old enough to have watched TOS in first run) fan of Star Trek, I love it when people show the passion for this franchise that I love so much. Thank you for your excellent work on this. Well done!
The Director's Edition of TMP really puts the final touch that the film deserves. It looks fantastic on the newer Blu-ray, as it was only available on DVD previously.
I’m an unapologetic fan of Star Trek V. Of course, there are weaknesses, but its original Trek spirit is hard core. There are wonderful sequences regarding friendship, loyalty, and the determination to combat the weaknesses built into one’s soul. And that Jerry Goldsmith score is masterful!
I have been a fan of Star Trek for over 75% of my life. I was just listening to all of the retrospectives that you have compiled, and I can’t thank you enough for sharing this. I was 14 years old when Star Trek VI came out. I had watched the original 2-3-4 in a row and then going to see 5 with my dad, (even though he didn’t have to, he stayed with me and enjoyed it), I go back to seeing 6 for the first time. Some of the articles - the one regarding the review of all of the previous movies (I believe it was in the STAR magazine), I remember as a kid putting that on my wall at home. The ‘First Family’ as you put it, made a legendary impact. They always have, and I’m grateful and happy to have come across this series of retrospectives on the franchise. Thank you!
I remember being so excited going to see this as a Star Trek loving child and being bored to tears by it. Then a few years later I walked into the sequel thinking I’d be bored again and being wrong.
There is a kind of story that when Jerry Goldsmith was trying to write the music when the Enterprise first flew over V'ger, he was kind of stuck on what to compose for the scene. As he was watching the film, someone in the screening room reportedly said, "Boy. That gives you a real sense of vertigo". Then a light bulb went off in Jerry's head and recalled Bernard Hermann's score for the film Vertigo and the rest is history.
As someone who has gone crazy connecting these two film scores, this makes a satisfying amount of sense. I don't even care if it's true, at least I'll sleep better!
This was a fantastic retrospective brother!!! Thank you for all the work you put in! I highly enjoyed it!!! I have been a Star Trek fan since I was 8 years old watching it on my parent's tiny black and white TV in 1971. I am now 61 and still love all things Star Trek. For most of my life I have considered ST: TWOK my favorite of the films, as most fans do. But I have to admit to you, something happened about 8 years ago. Like many others, I was not a huge fan of TMP. I had lined up at the theaters to see it as a young teen, thrilled that my heros were finally on the big screen. I remember being sorely disappointed. Spock was a hippie, the characters didn’t seem like themselves, the wormhole scene (still not a big fan of that scene) was embarrassing, and it was slow. I remember going to the bathrooom while they were travelling through the V'ger cloud. As a result, once the sequels came out, I was thrilled, and kinda forgot all about TMP, and my disappointment. Fast forward to about 8 years ago. I had watched all the other Star Trek films countless times, and for whatever reason decided I should go back and watch TMP again. So, I did, with a lifetime of experience behind me, and far more maturity and understanding. I was enraptured!!! I cannot tell you what an emersive and epic experience it was watching that film with those incredible effects that were well beyond their time, and still hold up today. The music, the sound, and especially the story, and the incredible concept being presented. It blew my mind. Even the differences in the characters made sense, and I understood. What I realized was that when I watched this film at 14 years old I was far too young to really grasp this epic film. TMP has now become my favorite of the films. I now see it as the truest representation of Roddenberry 's vision, and in fact a masterpiece.
HOT DAMN! The Movie Theater shown at 21:16 is the Capri Movie Theater in Charlotte, North Carolina, located at 3500 East Independence Blvd. I saw Snow White there in 1975, Star Trek the Motion Picture in 1979, ET in 1982, Superman 3 in 1983, Dune, Star Trek 3, and Ghostbusters in 1984, Full Metal Jacket in 1987, The Dead Pool in 1988. It became a nightclub in 1990. I saw Prong and Ronnie James Dio there in 1994.Dune was PACKED on opening night 1984.
So I've actually listened to this a few times now. This is a very interesting and balanced breakdown of Trek and its a prime example how one success leads to another and another but Trek is different. It's harder to write. Harder than StarWars where if things get too dull you just crop in a Saber battle or you're suddenly on some different world and other things are happening. Trek is best when there is a more focused goal, or mission or solo bad guy. It's a tried and true formula which can always work and work for quite a long wile, if the simple formula is kept. The more you steer away from the core, the more you lose people. But I've always been on Gene's side. PUSH the bigger ideas. PUSH more intellectual and ambitious characters and problems for the crew to solve. I just watched The Cage not too long ago. For the nothing budget, it's still REALLY GOOD. I like it way better than the second Pilot. Thanks for putting this together. It makes me want to watch them all all over again😂😂😂😂 I'm sure we have them all memorized by now but we keep watching🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
I actually think TMP 'looks more like Star Trek' than any of the films. If they'd just used brighter colors it essentially would've looked exactly like TOS.
I agree, Nicholas Meyer is an amazing Director. He has had so much influence on my life after being 10 years old only watching the day after later made me become a voice force the dangers that nuclear weapons still have today as they did in 83. At only 11 I became interested in the original cast movie which where and still are my favorite movies. Startrek 2, 4, and 6 which involved Meyers are my tops.
Specially the visions that Kirk had, when the thruster brakes ingaged on the Bird-of-Pray, that was like if it was from a all different movie. And, the punk on the bus, telling Kirk to "screw you," was helerious as hell! 😂
Fun fact about the Star Trek: TMP theme vs. the TWOK theme: they are the exact same notes, as I discovered to my surprise when I picked them out on the piano.
I love The Motionless Picture. The scene where Kirk approaches the newly updated Enterprise is a masterclass in silent acting - I still get chills when he tears up. Just amazing.
I was an extra actor in this movie in 1979, as an Enterprise crewmember, in costume. My scenes were 30 min. into the film, in the big scene of the entire Enterprise crew on the auditorium deck with all 300 of our crew assembled.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly wonderfully well done and very nicely well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on The Ultimate Full Star Trek Retrospective: From TOS through all of the Six Motion Picture Films/Movies!; A job very nicely fabulously well done indeed Sir!👌.
It is incredible that the crew, and staff, were still able to pull-off one of the most astonishing films of the time. Sure a lot of battering back-and-forth of whom should of been the writers, director, etc, but at the end the spectacular outcome of such jaw-dropping special effects, with A.I, nor computers, is really something to sit back and wonder how they did it. I love the 'skin-crawling' sounds that the movie had, and to see the life-like mini models, and the different ways of how everything was put together, just so......fascinating. Yet, yes I too, fell asleep of the slow-pace themes of either the long ride through "V'Ger', or that of inspecting the Enterprise, but still with the music, and the spectacular effects, works well! Eventhough this movie was a pain to put together, and it was most certainly over budget, I still love how it was all put together, and the storyline was actually memorable ❤
With Discovery and Picard finished, Lower Decks coming to an end and no news on whether Prodigy will get a third season, will you be covering these series any time soon?
@MrTomSpencer I feel like they made those projects for a really small specific kind of fan segment (A "modern" politically engaged audience.) They may attain a cult following over time(?) I just don't think they have the wider appeal ST traditionally had. At least among Sci-Fi fans anyway, and occasionally the mainstream (films 2, 6, 8).
I love that you’ve pointed out the inconsistencies in the films’ scores. I feel like this, more than any other element, leads to a feeling of disparity and inconsistency between the films. Some young music student out there should take it upon himself to create a hybrid score comprised of Goldsmith and Horner’s work, and re-score the entire 6 films. Goldsmiths’s cues are truly grandiose and lush, but Horner’s music felt more exciting and emotional. And both of their work was sorely missed in Voyage Home.
Am I the only one who thinks that Leonard Rosenman's soundtrack of Star Trek IV sounds very much like his soundtrack for "The Lord of the Rings"? It seems like he just removed the horns and left the rest of the orchestration as it was.
As a longtime Star Trek fan, I will say this the best scene in Star Trek two and the worst scene in Star Trek two is the engineering scene where Spock dies. Two characters from two different franchises that I know hate it their characters, Leonard, Nimoy, and Harrison Ford both I have watched interview at your interview and they both wanted their characters to die were brought back . And it made those characters even stronger.
I really enjoyed the video, I agree with most of your opinions, I own all the Star Trek movies on DVD as well as TOS-remastered. I consider #5 to be the weak link, and #4 to be too funny to be taken as a serious film. I also own Star Trek: TMP Directors cut, and find it more enjoyable than when it first came out in 1979. I like all the movies, even TNG ones. Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan is my favorite Star Trek film, and #6, also enjoyed very much. Thank you again for a well researched retrospect of this beloved show and film series!
My father and my wee brother and myself tried DD to see it, and the Canon Cinema in Glasgow thought my wee brother took young, so we went down and watched The Black Hole in the Odeon. Dad took me to see Star Trek the next day. We both loved it. Scripts a bit glum but wow.
I actually saw this in the theater with my grandmother and we both fell asleep I'm embarrassed but I was five so whatever.😄 It's definitely an acquired taste I enjoy now for the nostalgic reasons and I do appreciate the story it's just an excellent case of we needed the second movie😂
I just rewatched TMP. It opens well with kirk, The Klingon ships and Vgers ominous theme. Kirk’s first view of the Enterprise, played to the TNG theme was a cinematic treat on the BIG screen. The movie unfortunately slows way down, after the first 20 minutes, making it less accessible to the average, popcorn audience. I agree with a comment made below: this movie felt the most like TOS. Progressive, introspective, special effects ridden. Put kirk in a yellow uniform and this felt the most like a classic Star Trek episode.
Another thing about Star Trek 6 is I remember seeing Renee aubergine in the theatrical release and I'm not seeing him in the DVD that I have I remember the scene seeing it in the theater where they were planning the rescue of Kirk and McCoy and the president shoots them down and Renee aubergine law is one of the Admirals helping the planet. He's also the one that takes the shot at Gordon's daughter at camp khitomer but that scene is cut as well and I remember Wharf looking down and saying that's not Klingon blood and then pulling the mask off in the theater but I haven't seen it since
He was Colonel West, the only person we ever see of that rank in Starfleet (some fans believe he's a member of a Starfleet Marine Corps but it's never been canon). This would fit with his rank and his name- it was meant as a play on US Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, who had been implicated in a lot of shady activity that caused a huge investigation in the late 80s. In hindsight, rank aside, he was probably Section 31.
@warmachine9846 I just picked up the 4k copy of Star Trek 6. It also comes with a bluray and digital copy for $20. And it has the Theatrical and Directors cut on both.
Oh... I've seen some BIZARRE comments on here... Some attacking this channel directly... For truly trivial reasons... Must be an acute mental health condition! And yet they have the nerve to call themselves Star Trek "fans"! They obviously didn't get Roddenberry's memo about Humanity becoming a Peaceful, Tolerant and Progressive Space Faring Civilization 😊 I guess some of these "fans" just view Star Trek as some kind of John Wayne "Cowboys in Space"... With Klingons etc playing the role of the Space Indians 😳
If you “Kill Spock” we’re gonna “Kill Spock (Leonard Nimoy)” The difference between myself a Fan & a Fanatic !! I love the passion epic science fiction space opera engenders!! Star Wars, Trek, Farscape, Babylon 5 ect. I’m a crazy Dune fan & have been collecting memorabilia since 1998 but I draw the line at murder or threatening violence!! Passion > good Obsession > dangerous Thanks bro really enjoying your work
Nicely done. One correction though. Leonard Nimoy agreed to appear in TMP because Paramount paid him the money he was suing for over the use of his likeness, not fan letters.
Startrek 4 time travel was written by Nicholas Meyer. San Francisco was not Meyer’s first choice as he already had done that with Time after Time. But Paramount said Star Fleet head quarter's is in San Francisco so that is where they travel back to.
There are a few scenes that have really emotional ties to me. One would be the bar scene where McCoy is trying to charter space white back to Genesis. The second would be win. They’re stealing the enterprise instead of being gifted them and I think the final scene that just gives me something extra special is the fight between commander Krugand Kirk Kirk just kicks him in the face. Tell him I have had enough of you.
I completely agree with your analysis of the voyage home. It's a great movie but it's not what I want to see when I want to watch Star Trek hits not got the space stop that I'm used to with Star Trek. But it is a great story and it's light-hearted funny I enjoy it when I watch it it's just not my go-to movie for Star Trek
There's a lot of people out there that don't like this movie and considerate the worst Star Trek movie second only to Star Trek 5. But I really like this movie it's cerebral I like the uniforms that everybody calls the pajama uniform it's not as fast paced as. But I like the movie a lot and I would love to see the outtakes with Kirk and Spock against the memory wall in space. I own the director's cut my parents got it for me when I was 10 when they had re-added about 12 more minutes of footage. I wore that video tape out
Great vids man!! At 2:05:31 you said that the bridge got destroyed between 5 and 6? I have some friends who were involved with Trek at that time, and they said that wasn't the case. The Bridge they used between 1 and 4 got destroyed buy a rain storm that's why it's so different in st5. In st6 Myers wanted a more sub look and had it repainted, but it was still the same set from st5.
You’ll find that that music in Star Trek PREDATES what you hear in Aliens. It’s called a leitmotif, a small theme a composer can use in multiple projects. Horner uses the same piece of work in Spider-man and Cocoon
@@1978rharris Yes, I never said Aliens was earlier. But that motif Horner is making is from Aliens, not from Khan, listen to all three closely! (That interview is after Aliens surely).
Not a particular fan of the main titles composed by Courage, Goldsmith or even Horner. Nobody came up with a "Star Trek" theme I completely liked until the one Rosenman wrote for "The Voyage Home." Nice to have seen it nominated for an Oscar, too.
As fun as ST4 was, I read the excellent novelization before seeing the movie. There were some wonderful scenes in the book that I really looked forward to seeing on the big screen. Sadly many of them had been cut and I ended my watch feeling more than a little disappointed. In retrospect the movie was quite good - but the book was just a little better.
I sure hope you've seen 2001 A Space Odyssey as well. Because that is a film I relish knowing how much OCD went into the production I really feel I'm getting my money's worth out of every single frame.
I would be VERY curious to read or even better watch a Nick Meyer version of Star Trek V. I often thought Trek V should have been a Mirror Universe movie and the slingshot trip home from the past in TVH would have deposited our heroes in that universe. Still, I have a soft spot of TFF and watch it more than its predecessor.
I agree on Star Trek IV. It's not my favorite but I do think it was a good idea for the franchise to spread its wings a bit into new territory with good dose of humor. The funny lines felt organic, as opposed to ST:V where they tried forcing it in, which ultimately fell flat.
Actually, another Federation ship that is not a Constitution-class is seen in the Animated Series, it being the USS Bonaventure (unknown class designation)
Not a popular opinion I am sure but on a recent watch of "The Wrath of Khan" I really did not see such a "great" movie as I once thought it to be. I have seen it probably 20 times since I was 12 and it is indeed a good movie but take out the stupid battles and such and what is it? Not much. I personally find Star Trek VI to be the best overall classic trek movie.
The only movies I didn't see in theaters were TMP and Seach For Spock. I was 10 when TMP was released and I had been a bad boy so my parents refused to let me see it and Search For Spock was never released in our town's theater.
Star Trek 6 is not my favorite story of all the Star Trek movies. I'm not a big fan of the whole Klingon Prison Planet. But the fact that the Enterprise feels like it's fully crewed for the first time since Star Trek 2 I love that fact. It felt like an empty house up until this point Star Trek 5 they had a skeleton crew Star Trek 4 we barely got to see that he would surprise Star Trek 3 Search for Spock it's just the command crew and the system has been automated. But for the first time since the end of Wrath of Khan we have a full crew on the ship
Around 17:00 you discuss the prolonged introduction of the Enterprise and it's unedited VFX scene being 5 minutes long. For me this is the biggest issue with all modern Trek. In all series and all films prior to Jar Jar Abrams getting hold of Trek, the vehicles themselves are the MAIN characters, the true icons of Trek. They need to pay homage to them appropriately. Why else does Star Trek: TNG also take place on new class of Enterprise named vessel instead of going the Voyager route. Voyager again named and focused on the vessel, as does Deep Space Nine. I mean when you think of the Space Age, what maintains peoples mindshare isn't the individual astronauts (beyond the real enthusiasts as the rest remember only Gagarin, Armstrong & Aldrin for example (nobody remembers the third one)) it's the vehicles, Mercury, Apollo, Saturn V, Shuttle, Buran, Soyouz, ISS, Mir, Dragon, New Shepherd, Starship et al. and people remember the individual shuttle names. Thus for me that particular scene is not the worst offender and in and of itself provides a sense of coming home after being away for so long, taking in what we'd missed.
I find Wrath of Kahn having so many script issues and holes that could have easily been patched up if there was time to step back and correct them. Search for Spock is far better than you make it out to be, especially story-wise. A Voyage Home is a cute comedy but not very Trek to me. The Motion Picture clearly had issues with Roddenberry around. He was his own worst enemy. Props to his creation and concept, but his meddling into stories and pigeon holing his vision of the future was a detriment to the show. TMP is actually a pretty good sci-fi movie for what it had to deal with. Final Frontier is a big time TV episode. I'll always enjoy it and Undiscovered Country was quite good. I actually got on the 11 o'clock news on opening night asking for my opinion of the movie.
its a shame they couldn't leave the Saavik pregnancy scene in, with a simple tweak you could have established that Sybok is Spocks son, he ages fast as he was conceived on Genesis but his intellect is also enhanced as his brain is also rapidly developing. he embraces emotion and searches for God as he wants answers about his unusual existence you could have a parallel story with Kirk who lost a son, perhaps add a scene where Kirk meets Carol for the first time and she slaps him, this could be the pain that Kirk says he needs, the planet beyond the barrier could be a place that exists outside of time and its the only place Synok stabilises, in a twist the entity calling Sybok is actually a future version of himself who wants to leave the planet
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Regarding the STMP score, not only did it bring us the theme for Next Generation almost a decade later, it also gave us the iconic Klingon theme used in almost every single Trek movie and show whenever Klingons were around. The plucking strings, the weird animal-like calls and the horn theme along with the weird percussion choices is just...chef's kiss.
The soundtrack for TMP is GOAT.
I also love Illia's theme.
I like the Kingon theme even better than the main title.
I saw TMP 4k in a large theater. Wow wow and wow. The production value, updated sound, effects, editing makes it feel like a whole new movie. The slow scene with Kirk approaching the Enterprise was all encapsulating. That felt like a real Hollywood epic.
Excellent compilation, watched the whole thing! Having been a "lifelong"(translation: Old enough to have watched TOS in first run) fan of Star Trek, I love it when people show the passion for this franchise that I love so much. Thank you for your excellent work on this. Well done!
Wait, what!? Toshiro Mifune was supposed to play a klingon!?!? I would've loved that so much!!!
The Director's Edition of TMP really puts the final touch that the film deserves. It looks fantastic on the newer Blu-ray, as it was only available on DVD previously.
I’m an unapologetic fan of Star Trek V. Of course, there are weaknesses, but its original Trek spirit is hard core. There are wonderful sequences regarding friendship, loyalty, and the determination to combat the weaknesses built into one’s soul. And that Jerry Goldsmith score is masterful!
I’m right with you, I love V 😊
I have been a fan of Star Trek for over 75% of my life. I was just listening to all of the retrospectives that you have compiled, and I can’t thank you enough for sharing this. I was 14 years old when Star Trek VI came out. I had watched the original 2-3-4 in a row and then going to see 5 with my dad, (even though he didn’t have to, he stayed with me and enjoyed it), I go back to seeing 6 for the first time. Some of the articles - the one regarding the review of all of the previous movies (I believe it was in the STAR magazine), I remember as a kid putting that on my wall at home.
The ‘First Family’ as you put it, made a legendary impact. They always have, and I’m grateful and happy to have come across this series of retrospectives on the franchise.
Thank you!
Thank you Rowland for the intensive and time consuming work in compiling this amazing video and information ❤.
I love the design and aesthetics of tmp.
Superb, Rowan. You are certainly a brilliant essayist in this genre. Classic stuff!
Thank you for putting so much work into this excellent retrospective. I absolutely enjoyed it.
I remember being so excited going to see this as a Star Trek loving child and being bored to tears by it. Then a few years later I walked into the sequel thinking I’d be bored again and being wrong.
There is a kind of story that when Jerry Goldsmith was trying to write the music when the Enterprise first flew over V'ger, he was kind of stuck on what to compose for the scene. As he was watching the film, someone in the screening room reportedly said, "Boy. That gives you a real sense of vertigo". Then a light bulb went off in Jerry's head and recalled Bernard Hermann's score for the film Vertigo and the rest is history.
As someone who has gone crazy connecting these two film scores, this makes a satisfying amount of sense. I don't even care if it's true, at least I'll sleep better!
Now that is incredible 😊
This was a fantastic retrospective brother!!! Thank you for all the work you put in! I highly enjoyed it!!! I have been a Star Trek fan since I was 8 years old watching it on my parent's tiny black and white TV in 1971. I am now 61 and still love all things Star Trek. For most of my life I have considered ST: TWOK my favorite of the films, as most fans do. But I have to admit to you, something happened about 8 years ago. Like many others, I was not a huge fan of TMP. I had lined up at the theaters to see it as a young teen, thrilled that my heros were finally on the big screen. I remember being sorely disappointed. Spock was a hippie, the characters didn’t seem like themselves, the wormhole scene (still not a big fan of that scene) was embarrassing, and it was slow. I remember going to the bathrooom while they were travelling through the V'ger cloud. As a result, once the sequels came out, I was thrilled, and kinda forgot all about TMP, and my disappointment. Fast forward to about 8 years ago. I had watched all the other Star Trek films countless times, and for whatever reason decided I should go back and watch TMP again. So, I did, with a lifetime of experience behind me, and far more maturity and understanding. I was enraptured!!! I cannot tell you what an emersive and epic experience it was watching that film with those incredible effects that were well beyond their time, and still hold up today. The music, the sound, and especially the story, and the incredible concept being presented. It blew my mind. Even the differences in the characters made sense, and I understood. What I realized was that when I watched this film at 14 years old I was far too young to really grasp this epic film. TMP has now become my favorite of the films. I now see it as the truest representation of Roddenberry 's vision, and in fact a masterpiece.
Star Trek 4 the voyage home will always be my personal favorite.
Oh god, Rowan. You are spoiling us again! Thank you so much for this kind of service, very very much appreciated. Love it! 👍♥️
This and Undiscovered Country are my 1&2 for Trek Films with this probably being my favorite most of the time.
HOT DAMN! The Movie Theater shown at 21:16 is the Capri Movie Theater in Charlotte, North Carolina, located at 3500 East Independence Blvd. I saw Snow White there in 1975, Star Trek the Motion Picture in 1979, ET in 1982, Superman 3 in 1983, Dune, Star Trek 3, and Ghostbusters in 1984, Full Metal Jacket in 1987, The Dead Pool in 1988. It became a nightclub in 1990. I saw Prong and Ronnie James Dio there in 1994.Dune was PACKED on opening night 1984.
So I've actually listened to this a few times now. This is a very interesting and balanced breakdown of Trek and its a prime example how one success leads to another and another but Trek is different. It's harder to write. Harder than StarWars where if things get too dull you just crop in a Saber battle or you're suddenly on some different world and other things are happening. Trek is best when there is a more focused goal, or mission or solo bad guy. It's a tried and true formula which can always work and work for quite a long wile, if the simple formula is kept. The more you steer away from the core, the more you lose people. But I've always been on Gene's side. PUSH the bigger ideas. PUSH more intellectual and ambitious characters and problems for the crew to solve.
I just watched The Cage not too long ago. For the nothing budget, it's still REALLY GOOD. I like it way better than the second Pilot.
Thanks for putting this together. It makes me want to watch them all all over again😂😂😂😂 I'm sure we have them all memorized by now but we keep watching🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
I actually think TMP 'looks more like Star Trek' than any of the films. If they'd just used brighter colors it essentially would've looked exactly like TOS.
Gratuitous 15 minute slow moving Enterprise p0rn intro approved. I love how it’s “here’s the Enterprise, we’re gonna make SURE you know it”.
@@c1ph3rpunkit’s still some of the best-looking shots of a spacecraft in filmed fiction in terms of “realism.” It truly looks like a massive vessel.
I don't
You have to be a real star trek fan and have a deep appreciation for its existence and characters to appreciate The Motion Picture… 10/10!!!!!!
I feel the same way
it is my opinion that the small choke-up on the word human during the eulogy is w. shatner's best acting moment. it always makes me well up.
Good Sunday viewing , premiere
I agree, Nicholas Meyer is an amazing Director. He has had so much influence on my life after being 10 years old only watching the day after later made me become a voice force the dangers that nuclear weapons still have today as they did in 83. At only 11 I became interested in the original cast movie which where and still are my favorite movies. Startrek 2, 4, and 6 which involved Meyers are my tops.
The Voyage Home is BY FAR my fav of the OG crew. Second is Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country is third.
Specially the visions that Kirk had, when the thruster brakes ingaged on the Bird-of-Pray, that was like if it was from a all different movie.
And, the punk on the bus, telling Kirk to "screw you," was helerious as hell! 😂
Going back in time to save a whale is the worst of the OST films.
Fun fact about the Star Trek: TMP theme vs. the TWOK theme: they are the exact same notes, as I discovered to my surprise when I picked them out on the piano.
I love The Motionless Picture. The scene where Kirk approaches the newly updated Enterprise is a masterclass in silent acting - I still get chills when he tears up. Just amazing.
"Motionless"
Thanks for all this work! Loved it! 🖖
I was an extra actor in this movie in 1979, as an Enterprise crewmember, in costume. My scenes were 30 min. into the film, in the big scene of the entire Enterprise crew on the auditorium deck with all 300 of our crew assembled.
I absolutely LOVE this film.
Oooh 😮 Can’t wait for this!
Thx RJC. This was such a nice trip into my childhood 🥲
Great retrospective. Thank you.
man, you are great at this. thanks from Colorado.
when i get a job, i'm sending you money.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly wonderfully well done and very nicely well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on The Ultimate Full Star Trek Retrospective: From TOS through all of the Six Motion Picture Films/Movies!; A job very nicely fabulously well done indeed Sir!👌.
It is incredible that the crew, and staff, were still able to pull-off one of the most astonishing films of the time. Sure a lot of battering back-and-forth of whom should of been the writers, director, etc, but at the end the spectacular outcome of such jaw-dropping special effects, with A.I, nor computers, is really something to sit back and wonder how they did it.
I love the 'skin-crawling' sounds that the movie had, and to see the life-like mini models, and the different ways of how everything was put together, just so......fascinating.
Yet, yes I too, fell asleep of the slow-pace themes of either the long ride through "V'Ger', or that of inspecting the Enterprise, but still with the music, and the spectacular effects, works well! Eventhough this movie was a pain to put together, and it was most certainly over budget, I still love how it was all put together, and the storyline was actually memorable ❤
Lol, you should have mentioned that infamous STV presser (1:50:00) when Shatner forgot Walter Koenig's name "and...the man who plays Chekov!" 😂
With Discovery and Picard finished, Lower Decks coming to an end and no news on whether Prodigy will get a third season, will you be covering these series any time soon?
I would LOVE to see a Discovery retrospective and well as one for Strange New Worlds when that wraps up well into the future *knocks on wood*
Why, the new treks aren’t good. They are Star Trek flavored 2020 era tv shows
@@wkbdgeorgehe's either a troll or dumb , this is a retro channel, and there hundred of channel covering the new "star trek"
@MrTomSpencer I feel like they made those projects for a really small specific kind of fan segment (A "modern" politically engaged audience.) They may attain a cult following over time(?) I just don't think they have the wider appeal ST traditionally had. At least among Sci-Fi fans anyway, and occasionally the mainstream (films 2, 6, 8).
The line "Nuclear Wessels" is so funny in Star Trek IV.
Fantastic intelligent and sophisticated film in my opinion!
Loved that, thank you so much, Reminded me of why I love the series. Who knows with CGI and AI we may see them again one day.
As far as “ Wrath of Khan “ ‘s uniforms go they remind me of modified Canadian Mountie uniforms .
Thanks for the retrospective... excellent job!
Outstanding Rowan.
premium content, great work mr. r.j. Coleman thx 💖
The Enterprise exploding wasn't merely leaked, they put it in the frikkin trailer.
One of the best pure Sci-Fi movies of all time.
I love that you’ve pointed out the inconsistencies in the films’ scores. I feel like this, more than any other element, leads to a feeling of disparity and inconsistency between the films. Some young music student out there should take it upon himself to create a hybrid score comprised of Goldsmith and Horner’s work, and re-score the entire 6 films. Goldsmiths’s cues are truly grandiose and lush, but Horner’s music felt more exciting and emotional. And both of their work was sorely missed in Voyage Home.
Am I the only one who thinks that Leonard Rosenman's soundtrack of Star Trek IV sounds very much like his soundtrack for "The Lord of the Rings"? It seems like he just removed the horns and left the rest of the orchestration as it was.
I'm not sure, you've caught my interest there, I'll go and have a listen.
Horners score for Aliens definitely borrows heavily from Wrath of Khan.
As a longtime Star Trek fan, I will say this the best scene in Star Trek two and the worst scene in Star Trek two is the engineering scene where Spock dies. Two characters from two different franchises that I know hate it their characters, Leonard, Nimoy, and Harrison Ford both I have watched interview at your interview and they both wanted their characters to die were brought back . And it made those characters even stronger.
Another ST movie review?
Haha, I love to watch 'em! 😉👍
Damn!!! Bang goes my bedtime!! 😁🤪
The explosion effect used for Oraxis and the Death Star was also used in the movie Stargate.
Love Star Trek OG grew up with Sunday TV in the 80s UK England the films for me 2,6,4,3,1,5
This is awesome!
I really enjoyed the video, I agree with most of your opinions, I own all the Star Trek movies on DVD as well as TOS-remastered. I consider #5 to be the weak link, and #4 to be too funny to be taken as a serious film. I also own Star Trek: TMP Directors cut, and find it more enjoyable than when it first came out in 1979. I like all the movies, even TNG ones. Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan is my favorite Star Trek film, and #6, also enjoyed very much. Thank you again for a well researched retrospect of this beloved show and film series!
My father and my wee brother and myself tried DD to see it, and the Canon Cinema in Glasgow thought my wee brother took young, so we went down and watched The Black Hole in the Odeon. Dad took me to see Star Trek the next day. We both loved it. Scripts a bit glum but wow.
Brilliant, Thank you
I actually saw this in the theater with my grandmother and we both fell asleep I'm embarrassed but I was five so whatever.😄
It's definitely an acquired taste I enjoy now for the nostalgic reasons and I do appreciate the story it's just an excellent case of we needed the second movie😂
It's still going on 40 years later
I just rewatched TMP. It opens well with kirk, The Klingon ships and Vgers ominous theme. Kirk’s first view of the Enterprise, played to the TNG theme was a cinematic treat on the BIG screen. The movie unfortunately slows way down, after the first 20 minutes, making it less accessible to the average, popcorn audience.
I agree with a comment made below: this movie felt the most like TOS. Progressive, introspective, special effects ridden. Put kirk in a yellow uniform and this felt the most like a classic Star Trek episode.
Another thing about Star Trek 6 is I remember seeing Renee aubergine in the theatrical release and I'm not seeing him in the DVD that I have I remember the scene seeing it in the theater where they were planning the rescue of Kirk and McCoy and the president shoots them down and Renee aubergine law is one of the Admirals helping the planet. He's also the one that takes the shot at Gordon's daughter at camp khitomer but that scene is cut as well and I remember Wharf looking down and saying that's not Klingon blood and then pulling the mask off in the theater but I haven't seen it since
Strange. Those scenes and lines of dialog are on my copies. The DVD's had "Special Editions" with some extra footage.
@@paulnicholson5997 I have an old Blockbuster copy maybe that's the problem I need to look for a new release on Blu-ray
He was Colonel West, the only person we ever see of that rank in Starfleet (some fans believe he's a member of a Starfleet Marine Corps but it's never been canon). This would fit with his rank and his name- it was meant as a play on US Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, who had been implicated in a lot of shady activity that caused a huge investigation in the late 80s.
In hindsight, rank aside, he was probably Section 31.
@warmachine9846 I just picked up the 4k copy of Star Trek 6. It also comes with a bluray and digital copy for $20. And it has the Theatrical and Directors cut on both.
TMP is my 2nd favorite.
Whoever threatened Nimoy...."Get a life" 😂
Oh... I've seen some BIZARRE comments on here... Some attacking this channel directly... For truly trivial reasons... Must be an acute mental health condition! And yet they have the nerve to call themselves Star Trek "fans"!
They obviously didn't get Roddenberry's memo about Humanity becoming a Peaceful, Tolerant and Progressive Space Faring Civilization 😊
I guess some of these "fans" just view Star Trek as some kind of John Wayne "Cowboys in Space"... With Klingons etc playing the role of the Space Indians 😳
If you “Kill Spock” we’re gonna “Kill Spock (Leonard Nimoy)”
The difference between myself a Fan & a Fanatic !! I love the passion epic science fiction space opera engenders!! Star Wars, Trek, Farscape, Babylon 5 ect. I’m a crazy Dune fan & have been collecting memorabilia since 1998 but I draw the line at murder or threatening violence!!
Passion > good
Obsession > dangerous
Thanks bro really enjoying your work
"The Day After" terrified me as a kid.
Nicely done. One correction though. Leonard Nimoy agreed to appear in TMP because Paramount paid him the money he was suing for over the use of his likeness, not fan letters.
The Blu-Ray version is a huge improvement. Agree on the run time.
The motion picture is definitely slow, but the special effects are astounding! 😅😅😅 I mean how did they even do those effects?
Startrek 4 time travel was written by Nicholas Meyer. San Francisco was not Meyer’s first choice as he already had done that with Time after Time. But Paramount said Star Fleet head quarter's is in San Francisco so that is where they travel back to.
There are a few scenes that have really emotional ties to me. One would be the bar scene where McCoy is trying to charter space white back to Genesis. The second would be win. They’re stealing the enterprise instead of being gifted them and I think the final scene that just gives me something extra special is the fight between commander Krugand Kirk Kirk just kicks him in the face. Tell him I have had enough of you.
I never compared Kahn's theme to the marines escaping from the alien Hive in Aliens! Now I can't forget it 😅
I completely agree with your analysis of the voyage home. It's a great movie but it's not what I want to see when I want to watch Star Trek hits not got the space stop that I'm used to with Star Trek. But it is a great story and it's light-hearted funny I enjoy it when I watch it it's just not my go-to movie for Star Trek
There's a lot of people out there that don't like this movie and considerate the worst Star Trek movie second only to Star Trek 5. But I really like this movie it's cerebral I like the uniforms that everybody calls the pajama uniform it's not as fast paced as. But I like the movie a lot and I would love to see the outtakes with Kirk and Spock against the memory wall in space. I own the director's cut my parents got it for me when I was 10 when they had re-added about 12 more minutes of footage. I wore that video tape out
Well done!
Great vids man!! At 2:05:31 you said that the bridge got destroyed between 5 and 6? I have some friends who were involved with Trek at that time, and they said that wasn't the case. The Bridge they used between 1 and 4 got destroyed buy a rain storm that's why it's so different in st5. In st6 Myers wanted a more sub look and had it repainted, but it was still the same set from st5.
Christopher Lloyd's character The Judge from Who Framed Roger Rabbit would give his character in this a run for his money I think lol
That's the escape music in Aliens 44:35
Also, listen to Krull's OST, you'll hear a lot of Khan in there.
You’ll find that that music in Star Trek PREDATES what you hear in Aliens. It’s called a leitmotif, a small theme a composer can use in multiple projects.
Horner uses the same piece of work in Spider-man and Cocoon
@@1978rharris Yes, I never said Aliens was earlier. But that motif Horner is making is from Aliens, not from Khan, listen to all three closely! (That interview is after Aliens surely).
It’s a crime we never got a Sulu series or movie.
Sulu he’s star of the show…..other guys just along for the ride
Yup.
Fascinating.
Not a particular fan of the main titles composed by Courage, Goldsmith or even Horner. Nobody came up with a "Star Trek" theme I completely liked until the one Rosenman wrote for "The Voyage Home." Nice to have seen it nominated for an Oscar, too.
As fun as ST4 was, I read the excellent novelization before seeing the movie. There were some wonderful scenes in the book that I really looked forward to seeing on the big screen. Sadly many of them had been cut and I ended my watch feeling more than a little disappointed. In retrospect the movie was quite good - but the book was just a little better.
I sure hope you've seen 2001 A Space Odyssey as well. Because that is a film I relish knowing how much OCD went into the production I really feel I'm getting my money's worth out of every single frame.
WRATH soundtrack is Brilliant next level Genius
We need to get these films on Netflix or Amazon
Pluto TV has them all. And they're free to watch 😊
@@JGG1701 oh I dident know that
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I would be VERY curious to read or even better watch a Nick Meyer version of Star Trek V. I often thought Trek V should have been a Mirror Universe movie and the slingshot trip home from the past in TVH would have deposited our heroes in that universe. Still, I have a soft spot of TFF and watch it more than its predecessor.
The best TOS movie
14:39 Thank god Robert Wise made hime redo that. It went from kinda bad to being one of the absolute best cues in cinema history.
I agree on Star Trek IV. It's not my favorite but I do think it was a good idea for the franchise to spread its wings a bit into new territory with good dose of humor.
The funny lines felt organic, as opposed to ST:V where they tried forcing it in, which ultimately fell flat.
Actually, another Federation ship that is not a Constitution-class is seen in the Animated Series, it being the USS Bonaventure (unknown class designation)
The minute this popped up I immediately said out loud OH SHIT
Not a popular opinion I am sure but on a recent watch of "The Wrath of Khan" I really did not see such a "great" movie as I once thought it to be. I have seen it probably 20 times since I was 12 and it is indeed a good movie but take out the stupid battles and such and what is it? Not much. I personally find Star Trek VI to be the best overall classic trek movie.
100% agree. VI is a delight.
The only movies I didn't see in theaters were TMP and Seach For Spock. I was 10 when TMP was released and I had been a bad boy so my parents refused to let me see it and Search For Spock was never released in our town's theater.
Star Trek 6 is not my favorite story of all the Star Trek movies. I'm not a big fan of the whole Klingon Prison Planet. But the fact that the Enterprise feels like it's fully crewed for the first time since Star Trek 2 I love that fact. It felt like an empty house up until this point Star Trek 5 they had a skeleton crew Star Trek 4 we barely got to see that he would surprise Star Trek 3 Search for Spock it's just the command crew and the system has been automated. But for the first time since the end of Wrath of Khan we have a full crew on the ship
Fantastic! #UPCM01
Awesome Retrospektive. I anxiously await the Next Generation movie Retrospektive.
Around 17:00 you discuss the prolonged introduction of the Enterprise and it's unedited VFX scene being 5 minutes long. For me this is the biggest issue with all modern Trek. In all series and all films prior to Jar Jar Abrams getting hold of Trek, the vehicles themselves are the MAIN characters, the true icons of Trek. They need to pay homage to them appropriately. Why else does Star Trek: TNG also take place on new class of Enterprise named vessel instead of going the Voyager route. Voyager again named and focused on the vessel, as does Deep Space Nine.
I mean when you think of the Space Age, what maintains peoples mindshare isn't the individual astronauts (beyond the real enthusiasts as the rest remember only Gagarin, Armstrong & Aldrin for example (nobody remembers the third one)) it's the vehicles, Mercury, Apollo, Saturn V, Shuttle, Buran, Soyouz, ISS, Mir, Dragon, New Shepherd, Starship et al. and people remember the individual shuttle names.
Thus for me that particular scene is not the worst offender and in and of itself provides a sense of coming home after being away for so long, taking in what we'd missed.
I find Wrath of Kahn having so many script issues and holes that could have easily been patched up if there was time to step back and correct them.
Search for Spock is far better than you make it out to be, especially story-wise.
A Voyage Home is a cute comedy but not very Trek to me.
The Motion Picture clearly had issues with Roddenberry around. He was his own worst enemy. Props to his creation and concept, but his meddling into stories and pigeon holing his vision of the future was a detriment to the show. TMP is actually a pretty good sci-fi movie for what it had to deal with.
Final Frontier is a big time TV episode. I'll always enjoy it and Undiscovered Country was quite good. I actually got on the 11 o'clock news on opening night asking for my opinion of the movie.
its a shame they couldn't leave the Saavik pregnancy scene in, with a simple tweak you could have established that Sybok is Spocks son, he ages fast as he was conceived on Genesis but his intellect is also enhanced as his brain is also rapidly developing.
he embraces emotion and searches for God as he wants answers about his unusual existence
you could have a parallel story with Kirk who lost a son, perhaps add a scene where Kirk meets Carol for the first time and she slaps him, this could be the pain that Kirk says he needs, the planet beyond the barrier could be a place that exists outside of time and its the only place Synok stabilises, in a twist the entity calling Sybok is actually a future version of himself who wants to leave the planet
In terms of soundtrack, my favorite has to be STV. It's the one thing that film got right and helps raise it just above mediocre in my mind