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- Areas off to the side are often some of my favorite areas in video games. But sometimes, making the detour for a mediocre secret just isn't worth it. Today I'll be looking at a few dungeons that more or less meet the criteria of being considered side areas, as they are lacking quite a bit of content, especially in the original Generation 2 games of Pokemon.
0:00 Intro
1:50 Dark Cave
3:38 Mt. Mortar
4:37 Tin Tower/Whirl Islands
5:33 Union Cave
7:17 Outtro
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Edit: I was wrong about getting a Tyrogue egg in Mt Mortar, you just receive it normally. You still need to keep a space open in your party though. I think I just had to confused with the optional Riolu egg from Sinnoh.
Commenting just so that there isn't _too much_ update stuff sandwiched at the end:
- the footage may look really grainy in this video. That's because I was using the streaming settings in which I had to have the bitrate lower so that it would play smoothly. I didn't notice until *after* I had recorded most of the footage.
- speaking of streams, I'm going to be MIA from August 23-27 so there'll be no uploads or streams on those days. The channel has no set schedule but I'm also not just abandoning the no-damage run.
- this video may seem way too short to have to break it into chapters in the description, but I made the decision to have chapters before I realized how short it'd be. Oh well.
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Hey you should talk about the forgotten caves of Unova in black and white 2 the whole left side of the map is interconnected with caves
love ur vids
Actually in Red and Blue, Articuno was in Seaform Cave, it was also required.
@@DawnLynnCat
Seafoam is never required. You can surf from Pallet Town to get to Cinnabar Island, bypassing Articuno completely.
To be fair Dunsparce is supposed to be a Tsuchinoko, a mythological creature that a lot of people had tried to find, but never did, makes sense for it to be stupidly rare.
Haha, I was gonna said the same thing at the end, at least it has dungeons.
_laughs in MGS 3_
There's even more to it, Tsuchinoko is often used as a metaphor for something disappointing. Mythical creatures in Japan typically possess unique powers or traits that justify their elusiveness but Tsuchinoko doesn't have anything special going for it aside from its peculiar appearance so people joke sometimes that even if you were to find it in the end of the day it's just a silly fat snake. Hence why Dunparce is just a plain Normal type with no special characteristics or strengths, it's an allusion to that metaphor.
@@Diwasho Didn't know that. Very cool!
@@Diwasho and that explains so much about dunsparce
It's so crazy to think that Lugia was never supposed to be in the games and that before the marketing of the series became standardized they actually planned to create entire original Pokémon creatures exclusive to various media outside the games. But now even the slight variations of existing Pokémon that originate from the anime are shoehorned into the games (looking at you notch-eared Pichu and Ash-Greninja).
3:15 that’s a weird lookin geodude, Mish.
2:12 is also not an Abra
what is this?! a bug? did he hack to get a dunsparce appear in the wild with an altered name??
Remember when side areas actually existed?
When sun and moon came out I thought it was so fucking boring because of that. Kalos is the same but I thought it was still a little enjoyable. But Alolas routes were short, boring, lacking trainer battles (the whole game lacked trainer battles imo), mandatory and linear.
@@CausticGrasp There was.... a Pikachu bit? A sort of cave bit on the first island?
@@benjamincooper358 The pikachu bit was only in usum.
@@notapplicable6985 Well what about... um... huh... The bit with that second Cosmog?
This is why modern Pokemon isn't as fun.
The old Pokemon games truly had a sense of adventure that made it FEEL like you were on a journey. Modern Pokemon is too linear.
Dark Cave has some of the best music in the game and amazing Pokemon like Dunsparce and Teddiursa inside! I love it, personally (-)vv(-)
Dunsparce?!?
@@mozzarelladoggo8984 Dunsparce!! He's my absolute favorite!!!
Don't forget Wobbuffet
@@mjdxp5688 I could NEVER forget him!!!
Very nice
i like how johto treats some of these dungeons, lorewise
in a game like sun and moon, you'll have a ton of cutscenes in the main story explaining what diamond head is or whatever and why you should care, then you go there and you do whatever you need to do there because its required
in johto, something like the burned tower only explains part of its story because some random old man who lives nearby tells the story of the time it was struck by lightning, its non-intrusive and lets players find stuff out about it only if they actually want to
I can't believe you'd dunk on my boi Dunsparce like that. He deserves so much better.
Well SOMEONES played Mystery Dungeon
It’s a mythological creature it’s very flavorful that it’s rare
MaxEze That and the fact he’s actually quite good, using Glare + Headbutt on Dunsparce beats the shit out of almost anything
@@outlawgecko8471 yeah, but togekiss does it better
Well, GameFreak dunked him first
that route by Blackthorn lets you get Skarmory at 5% encounter rate in Silver, which is definitely worth it
I love skarmory, but Corviknight is now a better skarmory. Not in terms of design imo.
@@ArtisChronicles oh absolutely, between Taloflame and Corviknight I'm almost convinced Game Freak wants early flyers to be actually good now
Swords dancing weak armor skarm disagrees. Yes knight has a better over defense and ability. But Skarmory is still extremely viable in the meta. Has way better support moves.
@@Ayugeti well being one of the best physical walls in the game is never gonna be bad, and Skarm has decent speed to boot, Corviknight is just better at walling special threats and turning of Maxers, I will have to test weak armor skarm tho
@@ArtisChronicles Sure, but Corviknight isn't in silver so that isn't really relevant.
"It might've been a better decision to be able to do Johto at your own pace." As someone who loves Gen 2, agreed. And I know we're not the only ones with that thought considering Crystal Clear (which I'm playing through again right now actually).
Crystal Clear is awesome, ngl
Crystal clear is the ultimate gen II experience
I actually tried to rush the eshop crystal only to mistakenly transfer forward my entire party of trained mons and HM slaves.
TL;DR duplicated shiny Gyarados, turned her into an HM slave. After sending party and starter away.
@@DAgamon21 that and polished crystal
DUNSPARCE GANG RISE UP
7:00 fun fact; Pryce, Chuck, and Jasmine can be challenged in whichever order you like
My teams for some reason always end up bad in Gen 2. I’d get walked AF by jasmine and Chucks Poliwrath was thicc as fuck so I end up giving Pryce a shot first. And all 3 including the dungeons before the gyms (Lighthouse, Hideout and routes) are so evenly leveled it doesn’t matter what you chose. Amplified tenfold by HGSS and the buffs they reaped (Primape Double team focus punch is Underrated) wish we had better progression, nothing wrong with linear but even that gets old being on rails
Just like Lt. Surge, Erika, Koga and Sabrina in Gen 1.
@@oliverleonard7730 yep. Blaine too, but Koga needs to be defeated before him in order to be able to Surf
What's stopping you from challenging Pryce before Morty though. I've never tried to do this myself I just know that you can get to Mahogony without having Morty's badge
@@tonytang7550 Because you can't use Surf until after you beat Morty
(Dunsparce gang rise up)
There is more to the ruins of Alph besides the puzzles + Unowns, Those being the back rooms behind the puzzles. There free items (and one of them containing a life orb in the remakes) if you're able to solve the riddle on the wall and a little bit of lore (Only crystal + remakes)
and the bottom of slowpoke well where you're able to find a level 20-25 Slowbro while surfing and king's rock.
I wish Slowbro could've been caught without surf. Would've made the upcoming gym a bit easier lol
Tyrogue can be obtained from the daycare odd egg as well! So there are technically two places.
And that odd egg, should you choose to clone it, has a much higher than normal shiny rate. You could realistically get a shiny tyrogue from those eggs.
Unfortunate that it's a crystal exclusive.
What do you mean, SwSh doesn't have dungeons? How could you forget the sprawling maze of Galar Mine 1? Or the hidden paths and mysteries of Galar Mine 2?
Hahahahahahaha I can't forget because one of the two is a consistent source of ev training
What about Route 10?
Those mines are the worst ever
I called my Totodile in Soul Silver Jaws, so colour me surprised when the Croconaw in this video shares the name of my old Feraligatr!
Who hasn’t named their Totodile Jaws at least once?
Kenny Mun Must be a pretty common name then? 7 year old Me thought it was clever. Lol
8 year old me named my Totodile Cobe lol. I didn’t pronounce it like “Co-bee” but like Cobe 💀 I don’t know where I got it from
@@kennymun899 me. Never. Plus all I ever remember taking is cyndaquill
It's not really about the content,but more about the discovery, the exploration.
One of my favorite moment in Johto is that hidden beach on route 34. You face 3 trainers, and get a moderately useful held item.
It's not really worth the detour, but the feeling of getting somewhere you had no reason to go.
I never got why so many people insist that Dunsparce is "stupidly rare." It's just a swarm pokemon. You're not meant to actually sit there and hunt it down at 1% rarity.
Yeah I remember the swarms back in gen 2...
I think swarms were kind of a obscure mechanic back in gen 2. You had to have the right people in your pokegear and it was also a bit rare event by itself. Today with all the information we have in the internet is easy to look back and see that way, but back then even game guides didnt explain this mechanic exist in the first place.
@@luisgusta the game itself explains the mechanic rather well. The swarm trainers will always say something like "Sometimes I see lots of rare pokemon here. I'll give you a call when that happens!" Before offering you their number. I know lots of people, including myself as a kid, skip a lot of trainer dialogue, but the explanation is there.
@KDLPro Hardcore If that's the issue then I'd argue Marill is much more of an anomaly. It's not even catchable until Mt. Mortar which is accessible as early as immediately after Ecruteak City, but it's only at 1%. The trainer who swarms Marill is located immediately south of Blackthorn, the 8th gym city. If you want to go really far out of your way to get Marill as soon as you possibly can, you'll have to beat Ecruteak, clear the Team Rocket event in Mahogany, then make a beeline through Ice Path to the Hiker south of Blackthorn, wait for the call, and only *then* do you have access to Marill at a more reasonable rarity. All this for a pokemon that evolves only once at level 18 with final stats to match that early level. (I'd also like to point out that, if you can even reach the part of Mt. Mortar with Marill in it, then you likely already have a Water-type to use Surf.
At least the trainer that swarms Dunsparce is nearby the cave it swarms from.
@@luisgusta I figured that out somehow and kept people for stones and pokemon. Didn't care much about repeatable battles because I always trained off the elite four.
Beginning to love this channel. Take all time you need for the Ocarina Iceberg, dude. Great job on another fantastic video!
I remember way back in the day after having played Blue and being the one in my group of friends who actually trained my Magikarp, I ran into Dunsparce in Silver and trained it up thinking it was gonna turn into something really awesome...
any day now I swear it will
Hahahahahahaha they gotcha with that one. I hunted it just for a dex completion. Kinda disappointing that it never got an evolution.
I literally forgot about route 45 and the Dark Cave for years... That made me think that Phanpy was from Gen 3
3:15
We, uh, gonna talk about this? Not the commentary, but the gameplay.
Probably used a Cheat to make GOD (dunsparce) appear but the gsme doesnt change the Name of the pokemon thats supposed to appear lmao.
Which i dont judge because finding said god is an absolute pain in the ass and that would postpone the video unneccesarily
@@Lowkas it's weird because I've never had that weird issue take place. Whether I used vba + action replay code or actual hardware + gameshark to capture whatever pokemon.
It's super interesting to me that "geodude" happened.
Bold of you to assume I forgot Dark Cave, the music is too good.
wait WHY AM I THE RIVAL
BECAUSE YOU GNOMED ME ON THE FIRST STREAM WHICH IS WHEN I NAMED THE RIVAL
Neat video! One interesting thing I learned that relates to this is about Lapras, which you can find in Union Cave; Lapras was the only Pokemon at the time that could learn MIST at a reasonable level! At level 7!
The next earliest was Articuno's Level 13, & Swinub's level 37!! I mean, not having to deal with Smokescreen, Scary Face & such can be useful in runs where you don't have Guard Spec., but jeez. Anyone else think they overvalued Mist for a LONG time?
I've never found those moves to be an issue and have often evasion abused battles for easy wins myself. Even without them I was just powering through most of everything. Mist would not have helped me in the elite four where I was having so much trouble until I remembered I left an early game scyther (thanks bug catching contest) in the daycare and took off.
That scyther carried the entire team through the elite four.
@@ArtisChronicles Yeah. Really, Mist is way better in the early game, but of course, you can barely access it then.
This video actually makes me think of why I like Sinnoh so much lol; there’s a ton of cool side locations there
Hey man, you mentioned that the game would've been better if it was more like the post game, and there's a rom hack that fits that description almost exactly, it's called pokemon crystal clear and it's basically crystal with more customization and open world, you should check that out
If you have a pokemon that knows surf by the time you get to Mt. Mortar, you can skip the cave entirely by surfing east from the entrance outside of ecruteak city. In the original generation 2 games, this doesn't make sense to do but if you want to skip it, by all means go ahead.
In Pokemon Crystal and the Gen 4 remakes (HG/SS), Suicune can be found by taking the aforementioned surfing route and stopping at the middle entrance of Mt. Mortar and heading south. After the scripted event, you can continue to surf east and skip Mt. Mortar altogether as well.
Great quality as always, looking forward to more future content!
As a kid I was an idiot and don't know I could surf through the cave nor did I know what repels were. So I always kept walking through the cave to reach Mahogany town
Personally I think the Ruins of Alph are *super cool* in concept, with doing different and kind of esoteric (at least, back when I was ten) puzzles to 'progress', the subtle mystery of not quite knowing what affect my actions were actually having, and the eerie change to the radio... it has such a cool atmosphere.
It's too bad it was all in service to a useless gimmick Pokemon.
God I wish there were more videos analyzing Pokémon games like this video the franchise has so much untapped content and discussion
The side areas and explorations is one reason why I love the older Pokémon games in particular. As much as I love Gen 2, you make valid points about the Johto games having some of the weaker side areas. though.
I recently played Platinum for the first time, and man. Gen 4 was chalk full of optional areas that were rewarding to players willing to explore them.
Oh man, i love this video idea, maybe make this a series? Like forgotten places in pokemon games or something like that. One place that comes to mind is the Artisan Cave in Pokemon emerald for example
Smeargle's useful for breeding and some competitive teams. So I raise you altering cave. Forgotten even by the devs themselves, you could say.
Glad you are making a video about Pokemon Crystal. I love the game and I love this video. Keep up the great work.
Nostalgie kicking in at 1:50 this Soundtrack is awesome
You’re not alone in having forgotten about Dark Cave, I always just fly back from Blackthorn and skip over it. I wholeheartedly agree.
I don’t think I knew that there was a person who gave you a tyrogue egg. You really do learn something new every day
I was expecting you to be one of those one-and-done channels who makes one video that goes viral and then never resurfaces, but I adore your regular content. Keep it going!
Wow, i have only ever found geodudes in dark cave, but you found a very real dunsparce. Thats pretty sick
A very real Geosparce lul
Finally!!! Someone who gave the game freak ditto intro the respect it deseves. Good for you
>ruins of alph
>uninteresting
>dunsparce
>not worth
YOU HERETIC
(jk loved the video)
Oh but you should definitely watch that one ruins of alph Video essay that blew up not too long ago :) might change your opinion on it
yo could you link it your description was a bit vague
not sure what i should be looking for
Love the video glad to see Pokémon stuff on the channel
Vro uve become one of my favorite channels with in 2 weeks keep it up
My brain really wants me to read johto as jotaro but I say NO BRAIN bad boy
I remember spending hours adventuring and exploring every corner of the gen 2 games when I was a kid. It was really fun searching around the caves hoping to find something rare. Too bad most of them didn't really have anything cool in them. But at least I had fun pranking my friends and making them believe if they searched hard enough they could find a secret door leading to a mew event lmao
Keep up these type of videos! They are great
I like being recommended videos like this
Would definitely love to see some highlight vids!
Oh boy, pretty sure I remember seeing that hint about Lapras appearing on Fridays as a kid, and for the rest of the week I was amping myself up for Friday afternoon, just so I could catch that Pokemon and spend the night playing with it.
Slowpoke Well is worth a mention, since when you get there the first time, you're on a linear path to stop Team Rocket. Later on, when you get Strength and Surf, you can actually go deeper into it and find wild under-leveled Slowbro and a guy that gives you a King's Rock, which is (as far as I remember) the only place in the game where you can get one.
You can actually hunt for a Kings Rock from wild slowpoke/bro but they only have it 5% of the time. Bottom of the Well is the only guaranteed one. It's also great for training since the impressive HP state of 90 on the pokes means a good amount of XP.
Better dupe tf out of it
I love Dunsparce
The ruins are actually pretty cool, nice little secret areas to unlock in Crystal and remakes :)
This channel is so underrated
Can't be forgotten when 2nd gen is your favorite one
i begin watching your videos with the icerberg explnation one, but by now i have watched all the other content tyou have and i have to say that i enjoy them a lot
and this one its not the exception
Vids are always bangers
Great video! Though Pokémon who can't be acquired through normal gameplay are considered Mythical rather than legendary. But that just shows I'm a big nerd.
another fantastic video
I can't remember the last time i actually went through mt mortar when you are supposed to the first time. I always surf skip lmao
You should have talked about the secrets in the Alp Ruins, like using special items inside of the puzzle rooms
I remember back when ORAS was first announced, but before we knew what the new megas would be, I just assumed we'd get a mega Dunsparce. Needless to say, my disappointment was immeasurable, and my day was ruined.
woo woo can't wait for the OoT iceberg
I honestly wouldn't watch a highlight of every stream consistently, but I could see you making content about pokemon you used, the journey in the game, interesting things about your playthrough, etc. In my opinion, one video once you finish the playthrough, or two shorter ones would both work.
This was a good a video and I hope you decide to cover these kinds of areas in other games if you wanted.
Mt silver? I mean it's post game and originally accessible only through kanto but it appears on the johto map and is a new addition with considerable content
Mt.Silver was where I found Larvitar. Very late game, would've been extra nice earlier on. Oh so worth training up though.
Jokes on you, Dark Cave/Ice Path music is my JAM!
I would always catch a teddiursa whenever I played crystal, spent hours in dark cave as a kid :)
Ahh nostalgia. My friend taught me duplication this gen and also convinced me that dunsparce evolved into onix lol good times
Dunsparce looked so weird i loved finding it.
I love for those highlight videos from Challenge runs so I'm down for it
You should play this rom hack called Pokémon Crystal Clear, you’d definitely dig that hack!!
Highlight vids are cool, even if its just containing the more interesting convos with chat
I remember the cave in the mountain that you have to go through to get to Mahogany Town. You could get Tyrogue at the end, but after that, I literally never was able to get back there again. I even googled it and still didn't know what to do. It was like 3 years ago since then. Anyone else have this problem?
Cool video my dude.
You should have mentioned that Dunsparce, because and its rarity and being overall a subpar Pokemon, it grew a HUGE ironic fanbase.
I really like areas that aren't explored often!
I remember spending so long in Dark Cave as a kid. For whatever reason I was convinced there was a special super-rare pokemon in there. I mean, why else would there be this strange dark cave with this weird Dunsparce guy?
Omg who thought they were gonna get the fossil Pokemon from capturing all the unknowns ...
Besides the dark glasses, dark cave is only great to find early game Teddursa in crystal instead of waiting till late game in gold.
The only catch is the Pokémon will almost always flee on its first turn.
That early on, you need to status inflict it with bellsprout or confuse it with zubat to have a chance to get it.
I did the latter since I was going for Crobat. It took 4 encounters over 30 mins or so but I got it.
I think it’s encounter rate is 5% and it only appears during the day.
i really like your voice it's so gentle and nice :^)
I've never bothered to explore caves too often because the random encounters were too much.
When I was a lot younger that never bothered me. Now it feels like a huge waste of time lol
Thanks a lot for this video! Tho, I wouldn't say that Dark Cave is completely useless. See, after receiving surf (after you have defeated Morty) you can move farther north in the cave where you can encounter high leveled Ursarings (might only be crystal version tho).
I did actually explore all the dungeons in HgSs a while back, but I always wondered if there was a difference in the originals. Those games seems to be hiding so much more and I get such a unique feeling while I play them.
I knew I encountered those somewhere. I thought it was Mt.Silver. it's been that long since I had a proper playthrough.
Do what the words on the wall say to do next to those words like Light=flash, Escape=Escape Rope, etc. This is for Ruins of Alph, you get items and interesting lore pieces this way
Honestly the OOT iceberg video could take a year and I wouldn't mind, so long as it's as good as or better than the SM64 video lol
Another banger 😎
I really like how humbly you took the 2 million views
That Dunsparce doesn't even look real.
I found larvatar in dark cave before. I think it makes that worth it. I also just wanted to catch all the letters of unknown just to write words with them in the pokemon box. Literally dumb, but so is turn based combat so i mean its fun so i guess its worth it. It depends if your a catchemall or a lv100 trainer or just catching the pokemon you like and winning with them, which is what i tend to do. I like the idea that there is something that i could do, but i don't have to and i don't really lose out by not doing it right away. Such side areas hold just enough curiosity for you to want to maybe go look, but at the same time, finding new pokemon is cool, catching them and finding out they suck is another story and another problem so there is that.
Was that a flaafy named absa?
YESSSSSS RIVALS OF AETHER LET'S GOOOOOOO
Pokémon sword without taking damage
Yay new video
In Mt. Mortar you don't get an egg with Tyrogue, the Tyrogue is handed directly to you
Trying to catch all unkonwn to see what happens was interesting but sadly the reward was a let down which at time i played i didn't even understand how you can print them off. The whirl island were interesting though after first going through them and getting lost and my friends doing that also. I had to figure out what was at the end as i had a hunch which did pay off in the end :D
Dunsparce is literally a god, what are you trying to say?
What is a god to an atheist?
That's Tails
I love this video, and it's something I noticed myself but could never really articulate, given that you don't ever need to go through most of these dungeons, so out of sight out of mind. I think it's a little disingenuous though to give Union Cave the free pass and say "you can come back" when slowpoke well has an equal ratio of explorable content and unique items if you come back later. Overall though cool video man.
Yeah but the only thing I use union cave for is lapras. Legitimately no other reason.
That's cool that you use the fame that you won real quick to do really good analysys of other games. ✌️
I’ve never really realized that SwSh never really had any hidden locations or areas. Apart from the wild area and the dlc, the region itself is pretty barren which really sucks since galar is honestly one of the coolest regions.
Not sure if you're still very active but just wanted to say I love these Pokemon videos of yours. You're just about the only person on this god forsaken website I can listen to talk about Pokemon facts and I love learning more about the first and second generations of the games. All the other mfs that talk about this game franchise for children tend to act like their audience is children. Go figure. Thank you for making these videos.