Just imagine that writer's room where they decided to not only spoil Rhaenyra getting to King's Landing but then they also tell us through Helaena's silly visions that after that Aegon rules. At least on GoT D&D kept prophecy vague to make you wonder, here they just flat out tell you things. They spoiled the Gods Eye too. lol
@IlyassBendaoud-r5vthe fact that the women of Fire and Blood, especially the women in the Dance of the Dragons are brutal and ambitious, even much more cutthroat than the men with the exception of Daemon. The writers decided to make them innocent and weak, putting the blames on the men….this is wokeism that even the hardcore feminists would find utterly repulsive.
@@atgay2640 And it makes the characters unrelatable and unlikable. Cersei is a great character in Game of Thrones because of her ruthlessness to maintain power, and protect her family. Catelyn after Bran's fall from the tower seeks vengeance against the Lannisters by kidnapping Tyrion. This further complicates things for the Starks and pushes both sides closer to conflict. If these writers had been involved in Season 1 of Game of Thrones they'd have Cersei and Catelyn working together to stop the evil men.
Remember the finale of Season 1? When the death of Lucerys awoken the dragon in Rhaenyra? And we thought Blood and Cheese would definitely put Alicent on the warpath? Good times.
Although the writing was so bad this year that it wouldn't have mattered, if they ended Season 1 with the death of Viserys it would've worked better. Then they could've pursued the seeking peace plot at the beginning of Season 1 after the crowning of Rhaenyra and Aegon, and ended it with Storm's End in the middle of the season. Then the finale could've been Rook's Rest.
Yeah, what's horrible too is that Condal was someone Martin trusted with the lore. Ryan should've put a check on Hess, but he just allowed this ridiculous revisionist approach.
Aemond was made incompetent and needlessly cruel, Helaena's pain and grief was diluted, Jaehaerys rarelymentioned, Criston and Gwayne were sent away, Otto was captured, Aegon played unconscious even when he was awake (lmao)...ALL to facilitate Alicent's stupid decision to see Rhaenyra on Dragonstone and betray her entire bloodline of heirs.
Him burning Aegon is so idiotic too when he still has Rhaenys to deal with. At least make it gray that he tried to save Aegon from her, and had no choice but to open up on both to save him. Vhagar has also gone rogue before so they could've done that too, and then had rumors spread that he intended to kill his brother, even though it wasn't his intent.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 not to the point of trying to take out one of his own dragons, or betraying his king. He was rash, arrogant hotheaded, cruel but he wasn't the complete idiot the show depicted him as . His cruelty was directed at his enemies, not his family (the green part anyway). The show made Aemond even more cartoonishly evil than his book counterpart.
At this point, I’m watching this show purely to see Sunfyre make dragon poop of that imposter they’re calling *“Rhaenyra Targaryen”* who is absolutely nothing like her book self. At this rate they can just throw Alicent into Sunfyre’s mouth too cause that’s the worst mother that ever drew breath in Westeros. There is no team green in this show, it doesn’t exist, the writers are too biased to do them justice. In this show, there is only team black and team gold, which consists of one person…Aegon II Targaryen, the absolute GOAT.
Bro, she's getting the Laenor treatment, instead, they are going to kill some innocent woman and pretend it's Rhaenyra and then have Aegon lie about it, remember this is the Condal & Hess verse - female main characters can't be depicted negatively.
With the way this series is going they'll have Rhaenyra offer herself to be burned to save her son, or Aegon will let her go to Essos and tell everyone she's dead.
It's a simple story to tell with clear end points and they couldn't even handle that. Game of Thrones was complex with characters in different locations and no roadmap on how to bring it all together. We can debate all day the choices made on GOT but when you line up book content to the TV series, those seasons were highly acclaimed. Condal, Hess and the other writers had a slam dunk and they fell flat on their faces on the way the way to the hoop.
She has powers others couldn't even dream of too. Bran had to touch a weirwood for his visions, but Helaena can just flick the switch on from a balcony.
@@reelworld1 Like, if she were just a dragon dreamer, having visions would kinda work. But she's a full blown greenseer, that doesn't even make sense. Also, the fact that she seems to get over her son's death in like 1 episode and then she's off to help Daemon Targaryen of all people is telling. It's like she doesn't feel anything.
@@thaneofwhiterun3562 Exactly. And if you're going to make her so omniscient as this then you need to at least build to it. Last season she was saying vague things like, "beware of the beast beneath the boards." Then in the Season 2 finale she's giving precise accounts of what's going to happen, out of nowhere. It was like she was a different person. And yes, helping Daemon of all people was ludicrous.
I didn't have hope for the show going into the finale but this scene was the last straw. I thought they'd wait until season 3 to totally wreck it. Rhaenyra was making all these cringe faces in that scene too that didn't even line up with the sh!tty dialogue.
Yes, and while she looked too young to play the role later on, the younger Rhaenyra felt like a better fit for the character. She was tough, independent and smart. And while she couldn't have saved the terrible writing this season, it did feel like she embodied the role more.
Yes, the core of the story is half of the realm not wanting a woman as queen. So you don't need all this contrived BS. Rhaenyra's treatment of her council was some of the worst parts of the season. They made sense, were upset about her disappearances and lack of direction, yet were made out by the show to be the unreasonable ones. If they were so sexist, then they wouldn't have been at Dragonstone, they would've sided with Aegon.
Not only was it out of nowhere, and out of place in the story, but where would they go? Yes, let's slip away and lead a quiet life, me, the Queen and her dragon.
@@reelworld1 I had a knit pick about hotd that’s gonna become an issue later on, so hear it is……… helaena says that aegon will sit on a wooden throne which is driving me up the walls (Ik he does in the books BECAUSE the canonical iron throne is massive asf 😅 but the show version……😐) We saw viserys drag his half dead body to the throne so it’s nothing to bring in the king BEFORE the court and seat him on the throne BUT NO because that part of the story is where the writers want to keep to canon 😂. Even tho the iron throne has like 8-10 steps AT MOST but nah put him in a wooden chair
Remember when HBO claimed that Alicent would become a conniving schemer after RR? Yeah, so uh, apparently she started scheming against her own family instead. Good times...
Just awful man, all of this just to tell a lesbian fan fiction. They very well may surpass the embarrassing S8 of GOT. I haven’t and have no desire to even re watch S2 it’s awful
What's funny is that I had concerns coming into Season 2. They were primarily that they wouldn't spend enough time with character development, because in Season 1 they skimmed over some like Harwin Strong and Laena. But I never in my worst nightmares expected this mess.
George must be regretting making Fire & Blood from dubious sources. Now these “writers” can justify every shitty change they make. Some things are factual c’mon. “History will paint you villain” i can’t
They wrote out one of Aegon's sons too. I'm sure the history got that wrong. The realm pretended he had a son named Maelor. You could tell from George's blog post last month that he feels angry and betrayed by Condal who he trusted with the lore. He just took the Dance of the Dragons story and made it something else.
Some are blaming it on the budget cuts and the writers strike preventing rewrites and I'm like why write it that way in the first place? Also, They had 8 whole months in the writer's room and that's what they came up with? And yes what we're left now are dragon battles, that's all we have to look forward to because the story is totally ruined.
Rewrites are primarily for fine tuning things like the continuity of the story or adding certain lines, or scenes, that can enhance other aspects of the whole season. It's not for revamping the entire plot. Some people are trying to cope, because they can't accept that the quality plummeted so badly between seasons, and they hope Season 3 will be better. It's too late for that.
Honestly, at this point, I hope it’s Alicent who witnesses Rhaenyra’s death by Sunfyre. After what Alicent did, she deserves it. She deserves to see her oldest son destroy the person she “loves” most.
With the path this show has taken I see them diluting the impact of that scene somehow. I don't think it's going to be as brutal as it was in the book.
@@khfan4life365 yeah. And honestly I wish I could enjoy the Rhaenyra x mysaria thing but I can’t because it strikes me as shallow obvious bait given they are erasing actual queer characters from the dance. Like adding a romantic sexual element to the Rhaenyra x mysaria dynamic in the book could be very juicy. Like imagine that actually portrayed as a toxic mutually co dependent relationship on both sides (Rhaenyra needs Mysaria’s information to stay in power and Myssria needs to keep in Rhaenyra’s good graces ect to keep her position in her court) as they struggle to hold on to power in kings landing. But given how the show refuses to actually interrogate and critique Rhaenyra it’s probably going to be like the Asha/Yara girl kissing fan service scenes in thrones (granted it’s less male gazey then that but still)
@@williamnissen5083 what bothers me about the Rhaenyra and Mysaria thing is that Hess and the actresses clearly don’t see it as toxic. They have gone on about how it’s Rhaenyra’s healthiest and most honest relationship (sorry, Harwin). These writers will bend over backwards to make Rhaenyra and Mysaria saints. We saw glimpses of that in season 2. I bet it’ll be part of the “toxic butterflies” George alluded to in his blog post.
I don't watch this show but naw ain't no way they threw away their whole story for a cheap lesbian love and girl power scene 😂(its modern day writing so of course they did.)
Well I think the idea is clear that the writers are trying to present to us that All the woman are good and peaceful and right and they don't want war😂 and All men are bad and evil and stupid and they have many flaws, and what they did with this two is why this season is boring and trash, rheanys is more interesting over this two, it's crazy how they still present them as main characters spacialy Alicent, when they're not even the real players of this civil war, I think if they still keep with this feminist bullshit, season 3 and 4 will be trash also🤮
What's sad too is that the story is already built in that around half of the realm doesn't want a woman to be a ruler, so they don't have to go to this contrived and heavy handed narrative of "men bad."
Alicent in the books : You may have the city for now princess , but my son Aemond will return with fire and blood 🍷🔥🔥🔥 Alicent in the show : We were once besties , so now you're mah queen , slay , fuck the patriarchy 🤡🤡🏳️🌈
I will never understand how they allow themselves fall into making fanfics that are popular on twitter, did they realize most sane people dont even think of that ? haelena is the most annoying part, so she's a greenseer now lmao, she's already more powerful than bran because she doesnt need the weir wood tree, she just somehow transformed into the most powerful character in the whole universe out of nowhere. its all laughable and it cant be saved imo, they have already ruined most of it
It can't be saved after the finale. At least they waited until the final season to completely ruin Game of Thrones. House of the Dragon still has two more seasons to go.
I've read all of ASOIAF other than Fire & Blood, however having read much of what people explain about it I believe I at the very least have the gist of it (I will actually get round to it). Anyway, I've given the show the benefit of the doubt in a lot of places; S1 had a few hiccups here and there (Rhaenys and the dragonpit, the pacing, Daemon as a parent) but it was for the most part a very strong return for the series since the catastrophe of GOT S8. For season 2 I won't pretend otherwise, I enjoyed it for the most part. That being said it has begun to sour the more I consider it. I feel like given the nature of Fire & Blood they wanted to make small changes due to the theme of unreliable narrator's and the gaps of history in the Dance that were left out, however it feels like they couldn't commit to one thing. On the one hand you have amazing additions with the extra depth to Aegon, and then you also have the stupid scenes with Rhaenyra and Alicent. It feels like whenever they were writing one part that seemed great, they then wrote one that went way too far into fanfic territory. Episode 2 is up there for me as the best in the entire show apart from Lord Of The Tides, and then it's immediatley followed with Rhaenyra sneaking into King's Landing, which just made it such a pain to think about in hindsight; it's like they had the highest of highs this season and the lowest of lows. I didn't even dislike the Rhaenyra/Mysaria kiss because I think it made sense (Emma D'arcy's reasoning aside), or Daemon's Harrenhal journey for the most part. But every time it felt llike they were hitting gold, they fumbled it. That final meeting in the finale, or more specifically the part where Alicent asks her to come with her just felt so incredibly off, because even though they'd made some creative changes, not all of them were bad. Even George said as much, However, it feels so shoehorned in. We all know they had a semi-romantic friendship when they were younger, but they made it rather clear in actually a quite logical way that it would never go anywhere due to their roles as royalty, attitudes in Westeros etc. and promptly dropped it. But then, after all the arguing, the fact that Rhaenyra's son was murdered, Alicent's grandon was murdered, they went to war against one another, they bring back a plot that didn't need to be resurrected? Where has it ever been shown that Alicent ever even had much attraction to Rhaenyra? Even in the beginning it seemed more like an unrequited crush from Rhaenyra. And then suddenly she wants her to come with her? What, with Haelena? Mind-boggling. I'll still give them some lenience due to the abyssmal trouble producing the season with strikes, budget cuts etc. but the script clearly fundamentally had glaring holes. There were no scenes this season I honestly outright disliked other than Rhaenyra and Alicent's ep3 meeting, and their finale meeting. I don't need to cover the problems because you and everyone else already has, but there you are. Maybe I'm just coping because I want to love this show, I don't know. If I'm thinking about as objectively as possible I feel like they still just about have time to save it before it turns into a train wreck. I think if they're given the proper budget, enough time, and Ryan Condol slowed down to consult George, s3 may be able to at least make up for the dissappointments in s2, but I don't know if that will really happen. One can hope eh?
I mean the queer coding of Slicent and Rhaenyra has been there from the start (at least on alicents end) but it’s some sided it’s ridiculous. Like Alicent is constantly giving far more then Rhaenyra is giving back its ridiculous
Yeah the thing is too, that while D&D were not faithful to the books by ruining Dorne, leaving out Aegon etc, based on those excellent first 4 seasons their adaptation could've still been decent enough for a TV series if they'd stuck the landing in the last couple of seasons. Have characters maintain their arcs, have the Night King as the final struggle (not a generic one for the throne) and then give Jon and Dany meaningful conclusions as the protagonists of the story. I've always felt Dany was more on an arc of sacrificing herself for the greater good. It all wouldn't be perfect, due to the omissions etc, but we know how tough adaptations are. Ryan and Sara have just completely thrown away the lore. It has no semblance at all to the original story.
Rhaenyra & Alicent romantic ties didn’t just come out of nowhere. The younger actresses from S1 stated they added a romantic or sexual subtext to the way they played their scenes together. The ship didn’t come about randomly it came from show itself. That being said the idea of Alicent capitulating due to misogyny & not having power is a ridiculous direction to go in with her as it sacrifices the entirety of Alicent’s perspective & position in the dance. Also yall need to stop putting onus on Sara Hess. Like she’s one writer in a whole room of them.
A true queen counts the cost of her people. Alicent gave up her murdering/rapist sons and the throne for the peace of her daughter and Westeros to prevent further bloodshed. Why is that so hard to understand…
Then she wouldn't have had Aegon ascend the throne and would've accepted Aegon as king. Aegon didn't even want it, but she had Aemond drag him back to be crowned.
@@reelworld1 here you go again. She had aegon ascend the throne BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT IT WAS VISERYS DYING WISH! when she found out the truth she tried correcting the misunderstanding. But it was too late. The counsel and aemond removed her from the table.
Just imagine that writer's room where they decided to not only spoil Rhaenyra getting to King's Landing but then they also tell us through Helaena's silly visions that after that Aegon rules. At least on GoT D&D kept prophecy vague to make you wonder, here they just flat out tell you things. They spoiled the Gods Eye too. lol
She has powers to see everything that happened, and will happen, except for the murder of her son.
The idea is giving woman to much power and they're perfect in every think and they have no flaws😂😂
@IlyassBendaoud-r5vthe fact that the women of Fire and Blood, especially the women in the Dance of the Dragons are brutal and ambitious, even much more cutthroat than the men with the exception of Daemon. The writers decided to make them innocent and weak, putting the blames on the men….this is wokeism that even the hardcore feminists would find utterly repulsive.
@@atgay2640 And it makes the characters unrelatable and unlikable. Cersei is a great character in Game of Thrones because of her ruthlessness to maintain power, and protect her family. Catelyn after Bran's fall from the tower seeks vengeance against the Lannisters by kidnapping Tyrion. This further complicates things for the Starks and pushes both sides closer to conflict. If these writers had been involved in Season 1 of Game of Thrones they'd have Cersei and Catelyn working together to stop the evil men.
I get Halaena is prophetic and all but it honestly pissed me off when she blatantly told the audience Aemond would die
Remember the finale of Season 1? When the death of Lucerys awoken the dragon in Rhaenyra? And we thought Blood and Cheese would definitely put Alicent on the warpath?
Good times.
Although the writing was so bad this year that it wouldn't have mattered, if they ended Season 1 with the death of Viserys it would've worked better. Then they could've pursued the seeking peace plot at the beginning of Season 1 after the crowning of Rhaenyra and Aegon, and ended it with Storm's End in the middle of the season. Then the finale could've been Rook's Rest.
sara hess never seen GOT she never read the source material
HBO....nice thats the person i want to direct this show and produce
Yeah, what's horrible too is that Condal was someone Martin trusted with the lore. Ryan should've put a check on Hess, but he just allowed this ridiculous revisionist approach.
Aemond was made incompetent and needlessly cruel, Helaena's pain and grief was diluted, Jaehaerys rarelymentioned, Criston and Gwayne were sent away, Otto was captured, Aegon played unconscious even when he was awake (lmao)...ALL to facilitate Alicent's stupid decision to see Rhaenyra on Dragonstone and betray her entire bloodline of heirs.
Him burning Aegon is so idiotic too when he still has Rhaenys to deal with. At least make it gray that he tried to save Aegon from her, and had no choice but to open up on both to save him. Vhagar has also gone rogue before so they could've done that too, and then had rumors spread that he intended to kill his brother, even though it wasn't his intent.
@@reelworld1 the moment he ordered Vhagar to wait and let Sunfyre fight Meleys alone his intention was clear. That scene cannot be redeemed.
@@masterplokoon8803 Right, I meant the entire construction of the scene. That would need to be left out too.
To be fair aemond being incompetent and needlessly cruel is book accurate
@@thatoneblackdude3333 not to the point of trying to take out one of his own dragons, or betraying his king. He was rash, arrogant hotheaded, cruel but he wasn't the complete idiot the show depicted him as . His cruelty was directed at his enemies, not his family (the green part anyway). The show made Aemond even more cartoonishly evil than his book counterpart.
At this point, I’m watching this show purely to see Sunfyre make dragon poop of that imposter they’re calling *“Rhaenyra Targaryen”* who is absolutely nothing like her book self.
At this rate they can just throw Alicent into Sunfyre’s mouth too cause that’s the worst mother that ever drew breath in Westeros. There is no team green in this show, it doesn’t exist, the writers are too biased to do them justice.
In this show, there is only team black and team gold, which consists of one person…Aegon II Targaryen, the absolute GOAT.
I mean that is it…instead of their being sides that you could debate you are clearly meant to side with R
Bro, she's getting the Laenor treatment, instead, they are going to kill some innocent woman and pretend it's Rhaenyra and then have Aegon lie about it, remember this is the Condal & Hess verse - female main characters can't be depicted negatively.
With the way this series is going they'll have Rhaenyra offer herself to be burned to save her son, or Aegon will let her go to Essos and tell everyone she's dead.
She will fight Sunfire with a sword and win mark my words
She wasnt a great mother, but giving up all her kids (except the girl ....lol) is a new low. Her last scene was annoying. Ugh
Exactly. And considering she was willing to kill Rhaenyra for Aemond losing his eye to this… like everything she did was for her children.
She lived Cersei’s line “love no one but your children”. The writers ruined it. 😑
Alicent kind of forgot who she was.
It's a simple story to tell with clear end points and they couldn't even handle that. Game of Thrones was complex with characters in different locations and no roadmap on how to bring it all together. We can debate all day the choices made on GOT but when you line up book content to the TV series, those seasons were highly acclaimed. Condal, Hess and the other writers had a slam dunk and they fell flat on their faces on the way the way to the hoop.
I'm not saying that you are, but I wouldn't let Dan and Dave off the hook just because House of the Dragon is worse.
Helaena getting premonitions and astral projection and her first instinct is:
"I'm sure my little boy's murderer will find this very useful."
She has powers others couldn't even dream of too. Bran had to touch a weirwood for his visions, but Helaena can just flick the switch on from a balcony.
@@reelworld1 Like, if she were just a dragon dreamer, having visions would kinda work. But she's a full blown greenseer, that doesn't even make sense.
Also, the fact that she seems to get over her son's death in like 1 episode and then she's off to help Daemon Targaryen of all people is telling. It's like she doesn't feel anything.
@@thaneofwhiterun3562 Exactly. And if you're going to make her so omniscient as this then you need to at least build to it. Last season she was saying vague things like, "beware of the beast beneath the boards." Then in the Season 2 finale she's giving precise accounts of what's going to happen, out of nowhere. It was like she was a different person. And yes, helping Daemon of all people was ludicrous.
I didn't have hope for the show going into the finale but this scene was the last straw. I thought they'd wait until season 3 to totally wreck it. Rhaenyra was making all these cringe faces in that scene too that didn't even line up with the sh!tty dialogue.
Dare I say, Season 1 and Season 2 of House of the dragon are like Night and Day
Yes, and while she looked too young to play the role later on, the younger Rhaenyra felt like a better fit for the character. She was tough, independent and smart. And while she couldn't have saved the terrible writing this season, it did feel like she embodied the role more.
Men=bad
Women=good
This is house of the dragon in a nutshell
Yes, the core of the story is half of the realm not wanting a woman as queen. So you don't need all this contrived BS. Rhaenyra's treatment of her council was some of the worst parts of the season. They made sense, were upset about her disappearances and lack of direction, yet were made out by the show to be the unreasonable ones. If they were so sexist, then they wouldn't have been at Dragonstone, they would've sided with Aegon.
the "Come with me!" was crazyyyy...😵💫
Not only was it out of nowhere, and out of place in the story, but where would they go? Yes, let's slip away and lead a quiet life, me, the Queen and her dragon.
@@reelworld1 I had a knit pick about hotd that’s gonna become an issue later on, so hear it is……… helaena says that aegon will sit on a wooden throne which is driving me up the walls (Ik he does in the books BECAUSE the canonical iron throne is massive asf 😅 but the show version……😐)
We saw viserys drag his half dead body to the throne so it’s nothing to bring in the king BEFORE the court and seat him on the throne BUT NO because that part of the story is where the writers want to keep to canon 😂. Even tho the iron throne has like 8-10 steps AT MOST but nah put him in a wooden chair
Me at Alicent: Are you the dumbest C alive?
Incomprehensible scene that tanks the entire show.
bro you are definitely cooking here, at least D&D waited 4 years to go off the rails 😆😆😆😆😂😂🤣
Remember when HBO claimed that Alicent would become a conniving schemer after RR? Yeah, so uh, apparently she started scheming against her own family instead. Good times...
Just awful man, all of this just to tell a lesbian fan fiction. They very well may surpass the embarrassing S8 of GOT. I haven’t and have no desire to even re watch S2 it’s awful
What's funny is that I had concerns coming into Season 2. They were primarily that they wouldn't spend enough time with character development, because in Season 1 they skimmed over some like Harwin Strong and Laena. But I never in my worst nightmares expected this mess.
@@reelworld1 right! I was excited for S2 and it quickly evaporated. It was a filler lesbian fan fiction. S3 will be a joke
George must be regretting making Fire & Blood from dubious sources. Now these “writers” can justify every shitty change they make. Some things are factual c’mon. “History will paint you villain” i can’t
They wrote out one of Aegon's sons too. I'm sure the history got that wrong. The realm pretended he had a son named Maelor. You could tell from George's blog post last month that he feels angry and betrayed by Condal who he trusted with the lore. He just took the Dance of the Dragons story and made it something else.
They save money on a battle too by ruining the taking of King's Landing.
"To be honest I never really cared about much for them, innocent or otherwise."
Edit: Wrote this before watching video.
Some are blaming it on the budget cuts and the writers strike preventing rewrites and I'm like why write it that way in the first place? Also, They had 8 whole months in the writer's room and that's what they came up with? And yes what we're left now are dragon battles, that's all we have to look forward to because the story is totally ruined.
Rewrites are primarily for fine tuning things like the continuity of the story or adding certain lines, or scenes, that can enhance other aspects of the whole season. It's not for revamping the entire plot. Some people are trying to cope, because they can't accept that the quality plummeted so badly between seasons, and they hope Season 3 will be better. It's too late for that.
Honestly, at this point, I hope it’s Alicent who witnesses Rhaenyra’s death by Sunfyre. After what Alicent did, she deserves it. She deserves to see her oldest son destroy the person she “loves” most.
Honestly it’s more of an unhealthy co dependency at this point not love
@@williamnissen5083 if only the writers saw it that way.
With the path this show has taken I see them diluting the impact of that scene somehow. I don't think it's going to be as brutal as it was in the book.
@@khfan4life365 yeah. And honestly I wish I could enjoy the Rhaenyra x mysaria thing but I can’t because it strikes me as shallow obvious bait given they are erasing actual queer characters from the dance. Like adding a romantic sexual element to the Rhaenyra x mysaria dynamic in the book could be very juicy. Like imagine that actually portrayed as a toxic mutually co dependent relationship on both sides (Rhaenyra needs Mysaria’s information to stay in power and Myssria needs to keep in Rhaenyra’s good graces ect to keep her position in her court) as they struggle to hold on to power in kings landing. But given how the show refuses to actually interrogate and critique Rhaenyra it’s probably going to be like the Asha/Yara girl kissing fan service scenes in thrones (granted it’s less male gazey then that but still)
@@williamnissen5083 what bothers me about the Rhaenyra and Mysaria thing is that Hess and the actresses clearly don’t see it as toxic. They have gone on about how it’s Rhaenyra’s healthiest and most honest relationship (sorry, Harwin). These writers will bend over backwards to make Rhaenyra and Mysaria saints. We saw glimpses of that in season 2. I bet it’ll be part of the “toxic butterflies” George alluded to in his blog post.
Dont panic, Those season 3 ratings will shock HBO executives.
Numbers are gonna drop come season 3, mark my words
ngl, the ending kinda reminded me of how shogun ended, the black faction have basically won in all fields or will win.
I don't watch this show but naw ain't no way they threw away their whole story for a cheap lesbian love and girl power scene 😂(its modern day writing so of course they did.)
Well I think the idea is clear that the writers are trying to present to us that All the woman are good and peaceful and right and they don't want war😂
and All men are bad and evil and stupid and they have many flaws, and what they did with this two is why this season is boring and trash, rheanys is more interesting over this two, it's crazy how they still present them as main characters spacialy Alicent, when they're not even the real players of this civil war, I think if they still keep with this feminist bullshit, season 3 and 4 will be trash also🤮
What's sad too is that the story is already built in that around half of the realm doesn't want a woman to be a ruler, so they don't have to go to this contrived and heavy handed narrative of "men bad."
It's astonishing to me that HBO executives could provide massive budgets for this poorly written screenplay. The second season is a cosmic scale waste
Alicent in the books : You may have the city for now princess , but my son Aemond will return with fire and blood 🍷🔥🔥🔥
Alicent in the show : We were once besties , so now you're mah queen , slay , fuck the patriarchy 🤡🤡🏳️🌈
Don't diss AI chatbots by comparing it to thar garbage
I will never understand how they allow themselves fall into making fanfics that are popular on twitter, did they realize most sane people dont even think of that ?
haelena is the most annoying part, so she's a greenseer now lmao, she's already more powerful than bran because she doesnt need the weir wood tree, she just somehow transformed into the most powerful character in the whole universe out of nowhere. its all laughable and it cant be saved imo, they have already ruined most of it
It can't be saved after the finale. At least they waited until the final season to completely ruin Game of Thrones. House of the Dragon still has two more seasons to go.
I've read all of ASOIAF other than Fire & Blood, however having read much of what people explain about it I believe I at the very least have the gist of it (I will actually get round to it). Anyway, I've given the show the benefit of the doubt in a lot of places; S1 had a few hiccups here and there (Rhaenys and the dragonpit, the pacing, Daemon as a parent) but it was for the most part a very strong return for the series since the catastrophe of GOT S8. For season 2 I won't pretend otherwise, I enjoyed it for the most part. That being said it has begun to sour the more I consider it. I feel like given the nature of Fire & Blood they wanted to make small changes due to the theme of unreliable narrator's and the gaps of history in the Dance that were left out, however it feels like they couldn't commit to one thing. On the one hand you have amazing additions with the extra depth to Aegon, and then you also have the stupid scenes with Rhaenyra and Alicent. It feels like whenever they were writing one part that seemed great, they then wrote one that went way too far into fanfic territory. Episode 2 is up there for me as the best in the entire show apart from Lord Of The Tides, and then it's immediatley followed with Rhaenyra sneaking into King's Landing, which just made it such a pain to think about in hindsight; it's like they had the highest of highs this season and the lowest of lows. I didn't even dislike the Rhaenyra/Mysaria kiss because I think it made sense (Emma D'arcy's reasoning aside), or Daemon's Harrenhal journey for the most part. But every time it felt llike they were hitting gold, they fumbled it. That final meeting in the finale, or more specifically the part where Alicent asks her to come with her just felt so incredibly off, because even though they'd made some creative changes, not all of them were bad. Even George said as much, However, it feels so shoehorned in. We all know they had a semi-romantic friendship when they were younger, but they made it rather clear in actually a quite logical way that it would never go anywhere due to their roles as royalty, attitudes in Westeros etc. and promptly dropped it. But then, after all the arguing, the fact that Rhaenyra's son was murdered, Alicent's grandon was murdered, they went to war against one another, they bring back a plot that didn't need to be resurrected? Where has it ever been shown that Alicent ever even had much attraction to Rhaenyra? Even in the beginning it seemed more like an unrequited crush from Rhaenyra. And then suddenly she wants her to come with her? What, with Haelena? Mind-boggling.
I'll still give them some lenience due to the abyssmal trouble producing the season with strikes, budget cuts etc. but the script clearly fundamentally had glaring holes. There were no scenes this season I honestly outright disliked other than Rhaenyra and Alicent's ep3 meeting, and their finale meeting. I don't need to cover the problems because you and everyone else already has, but there you are. Maybe I'm just coping because I want to love this show, I don't know. If I'm thinking about as objectively as possible I feel like they still just about have time to save it before it turns into a train wreck. I think if they're given the proper budget, enough time, and Ryan Condol slowed down to consult George, s3 may be able to at least make up for the dissappointments in s2, but I don't know if that will really happen. One can hope eh?
I mean the queer coding of Slicent and Rhaenyra has been there from the start (at least on alicents end) but it’s some sided it’s ridiculous. Like Alicent is constantly giving far more then Rhaenyra is giving back its ridiculous
Bring back D and D
I can't re-watch Got S5-8 because it's too unforgivable but D&D were actually better than Ryan & Sara.
Yeah the thing is too, that while D&D were not faithful to the books by ruining Dorne, leaving out Aegon etc, based on those excellent first 4 seasons their adaptation could've still been decent enough for a TV series if they'd stuck the landing in the last couple of seasons. Have characters maintain their arcs, have the Night King as the final struggle (not a generic one for the throne) and then give Jon and Dany meaningful conclusions as the protagonists of the story. I've always felt Dany was more on an arc of sacrificing herself for the greater good. It all wouldn't be perfect, due to the omissions etc, but we know how tough adaptations are. Ryan and Sara have just completely thrown away the lore. It has no semblance at all to the original story.
Rhaenyra & Alicent romantic ties didn’t just come out of nowhere. The younger actresses from S1 stated they added a romantic or sexual subtext to the way they played their scenes together. The ship didn’t come about randomly it came from show itself.
That being said the idea of Alicent capitulating due to misogyny & not having power is a ridiculous direction to go in with her as it sacrifices the entirety of Alicent’s perspective & position in the dance.
Also yall need to stop putting onus on Sara Hess. Like she’s one writer in a whole room of them.
A true queen counts the cost of her people. Alicent gave up her murdering/rapist sons and the throne for the peace of her daughter and Westeros to prevent further bloodshed. Why is that so hard to understand…
Then she wouldn't have had Aegon ascend the throne and would've accepted Aegon as king. Aegon didn't even want it, but she had Aemond drag him back to be crowned.
@@reelworld1 here you go again. She had aegon ascend the throne BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT IT WAS VISERYS DYING WISH! when she found out the truth she tried correcting the misunderstanding. But it was too late. The counsel and aemond removed her from the table.
The writers strike really screwed us all over